Bug#238245: Debian website's copyright and license suggestions?

2005-10-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode


Bas Zoetekouw wrote:

> Hi Francesco!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
>> A less difficult solution is avoiding copyright assignements and simply
>> asking for a license change: each copyright holder should be tracked,
>> contacted and asked to agree with the relicensing.
> 
> I'm afraid that this will turn out to be infeasable.  Lots and lots of
> people have contributed to the webpages.  To make it even worse, a lots
> of translators used to work though general cvs accounts (like "dutch" or
> "french"), making it even harder to find out who did what.
In that case...

If you can get a legal opinion that the pages were created as
works-for-hire, then SPI actually does hold the copyrights.

Otherwise, you're stuck rewriting the webpages, if you want to be legal.


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Bug#238245: Debian website's copyright and license suggestions?

2005-10-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode


Tommi Vainikainen wrote:

> Hello members of debian-legal,
> 
> It isn't currently well known that Debian website's license is Open
> Publication License, which has been judged to be non-free, and
> therefore needs to be changed.
We know.  ;-)

> Currently web pages are "Copyright © 1997-2005 SPI" and license terms
> linking to Open Publication license are available at
> http://www.de.debian.org/license >. However SPI has not been
> collecting any paper work to transfer copyrights like FSF does, and
> probably many contributors do not even know about that their work is
> automatically copyrighted by SPI.
Well, actually, it isn't see below.

> So basically there is two questions:
> 
> Does missing paperwork create a problem?
Yes.  In the US, without a paper transfer, copyright is retained by the
author (except in work-for-hire cases, which actually might be relevant,
but I doubt it).  That means that the copyright statements on the web pages
are wrong.

> And what would be good license for Debians web pages? (This is about
> content, the scripts used in generation are GNU GPL or otherwise
> freely licensed.)

Either GNU GPL v. 2 or 2-clause BSD or MIT/Expat.  Author's choice, I think.  
There is little harm in having different licenses for different web pages.  
Each time a (manually generated) web page is changed significantly, the 
copyright statement should be updated and the license agreed to by the new 
author.

> Because copyright is currently claimed by SPI Inc, and SPI's board
> meeting is coming rather soon, I brought this issue to SPI's
> secretarys attention, but SPI board would appreciate some suggestion
> what they should decide about license change.

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2005-10-23 Thread Jutta Wrage

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HI!

To make cryptoinmain.en.html strict HTML, I have done some changes  
(not ot the content)


can you please compare

URL http://www.us.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain.en.html
with URL http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/legal/ 
cryptoinmain.en.html


The patch is at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/diff/ 
cryptoinmain-20051023.diff


If the questions look okay and there are no objections, I will commit  
the change on monday.


greetings

Jutta


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cryptoinmain.en.html

2005-10-23 Thread Jutta Wrage

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Sorry, first message was without subject.

HI!

To make cryptoinmain.en.html strict HTML, I have done some changes  
(not ot the content)


can you please compare

URL http://www.us.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain.en.html
with URL http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/legal/ 
cryptoinmain.en.html


The patch is at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/diff/ 
cryptoinmain-20051023.diff


If the questions look okay and there are no objections, I will commit  
the change on monday.


greetings

Jutta

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Re: cryptoinmain.en.html

2005-10-23 Thread Raúl Fuenzalida

Jutta Wrage wrote:


URL http://www.us.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain.en.html
with URL http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/legal/ 
cryptoinmain.en.html



You have the following table:






To:
	http://www.spi-inc.org/";>Software in the Public 
Interest, http://www.debian.org/";>Debian Project

From:
	Roszel C. Thomsen II, Partner, href="http://www.t-b.com/";>Thomsen & Burke LLP

Date:
July 31, 2001
Re:
Exploring Cryptographic Software in Debian's Main Archive


May be you should add 'valign="top"' to the  tags


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Re: cryptoinmain.en.html

2005-10-23 Thread Jutta Wrage

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Am 23.10.2005 um 17:48 schrieb Raúl Fuenzalida:


May be you should add 'valign="top"' to the  tags


Sorry, but this would be a new change. Neither neccessary to get it  
readable nor to get it HTML strict.


I am working on switching to strict DTD and not on time eating layout  
changes, where not neccessary this time.


My question is, if there are objections against the changes and not  
wishes for additional changes. Have still to walk through 575  
errorness files.


greetings

Jutta


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Re: cryptoinmain.en.html

2005-10-23 Thread Raúl Fuenzalida

Jutta Wrage wrote:


can you please compare

URL http://www.us.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain.en.html
with URL http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/legal/ 
cryptoinmain.en.html


I did read that one of the TODOs is to remplace the tables for something 
else. Well, in the beginning of that page there's a table, here my 
suggestion for remplace it:



#tbl dt { float: left; width: 4em; }
#tbl dd { margin-left: 4em; }



 To
 http://www.spi-inc.org/";>Software in the Public 
Interest, http://www.debian.org/";>Debian Project

 From:
 Roszel C. Thomsen II, Partner, href="http://www.t-b.com/";>Thomsen & Burke LLP

 Date:
 July 31, 2001
 Re:
 Exploring Cryptographic Software in Debian's Main Archive




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Re: cryptoinmain.en.html

2005-10-23 Thread Jutta Wrage

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Am 23.10.2005 um 18:44 schrieb Raúl Fuenzalida:

I did read that one of the TODOs is to remplace the tables for  
something else. Well, in the beginning of that page there's a  
table, here my suggestion for remplace it:



#tbl dt { float: left; width: 4em; }
#tbl dd { margin-left: 4em; }



There are already styles for definition lists. But as the mail header  
is not really a definition list, ther will be something class  
"mailheader" later for all mail headers to use.


In the case of using HTML tags we have to honour that some user  
agents may tell blind people about the kind of list coming next. I am  
sure, we have to invesigate that before making changes.


greetings

Jutta


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events and partners commited - please update your trees

2005-10-23 Thread Jutta Wrage

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Hi!

There have been many files to be edited in events, but with minor  
errors (mostly one per page).
Here we are now - down to less than 500 files not validating as HTML  
strict.
The twelve Files in ports are from yaboot-howto which is produced  
from sgml by debiandoc package.


Files   valid   invalid %invalid
   validate-errors-banners  69  69  0   0%
  validate-errors-Bugs  127 127 0   0%
validate-errors-CD  238 34  204 85%
   validate-errors-consultants  932 932 0   0%
 validate-errors-devel  111911190   0%
   validate-errors-distrib  149 149 0   0%
   validate-errors-doc  147 60  87  59%
validate-errors-events  139413940   0%
validate-errors-international  390 311 79  20%
 validate-errors-intro  186 186 0   0%
 validate-errors-legal  31  22  9   29%
 validate-errors-logos  15  15  0   0%
  validate-errors-MailingLists  110 110 0   0%
validate-errors-mirror  106 106 0   0%
  validate-errors-misc  131 115 16  12%
  validate-errors-News  454845444   0%
  validate-errors-partners  47  47  0   0%
 validate-errors-ports  506 494 12  2%
  validate-errors-releases  417 417 0   0%
   validate-errors-rootdir  220 220 0   0%
validate-errors-searchtmpl  16  0   16  100%
  validate-errors-security  8336832412  0%
  validate-errors-vote  313 312 1   0%
   validate-errors-y2k  26  26  0   0%

 All files  19573   19133   440 2%

greetings

Jutta


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