"MUD" Game Engines
I was wondering if anyone would know where I could find "MUD" game engines for Linux. Please "Reply All" when you reply to make certain I get any information you send my way. Thank you very much for any help you can give me. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "MUD" Game Engines
> On Monday 07 October 2002 08:00, Soul Computer > wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone would know where I > > could find "MUD" game engines for Linux. > > > > Please "Reply All" when you reply to make > certain > > I get any information you send my way. > > > > Thank you very much for any help you can give > me. > > > > by looking at the games section of the archive > perhaps. > I will do that. Thank you for your assistance. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "MUD" Game Engines
> On Monday 07 October 2002 08:00 am, Soul > Computer wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone would know where I > > could find "MUD" game engines for Linux. > > > > Please "Reply All" when you reply to make > certain > > I get any information you send my way. > > > > Thank you very much for any help you can give > me. > > > > Have a look at www.worldforge.org - it's a > project to build > both tools and games. There might be something > there that > is useful to you. > > - Derek > Thank you. I shall look there, too. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "MUD" Game Engines
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:21:49PM -0700, Derek > Gladding wrote: > > On Monday 07 October 2002 08:00 am, Soul > Computer wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone would know where > I > > > could find "MUD" game engines for Linux. > > > > > > Please "Reply All" when you reply to make > certain > > > I get any information you send my way. > > > > > > Thank you very much for any help you can > give me. > > > > > > > Have a look at www.worldforge.org - it's a > project to build > > both tools and games. There might be > something there that > > is useful to you. > > There's a suprising variety of MUDs out there, > and the vast majority of > them are portable enough to be a > straightforward install. I only see > one pre-packaged for Debian (stable), in the > lambdamoo package, likely > due to most MUDs having licencing restrictions > keeping them out of > Debian. > > I'd recommend doing a web search for the > specific kind of MUD you're looking > for (Tiny, MOO, Diku, LP ...?), and then > download & build it. If you're > looking for more general resources, try > starting from http://www.kanga.nu/, > which has a wealth of MUD-related stuff on it. > > Jon Leonard > I think I will look in to it. But it seems kind of silly not to use Debian for MUDS. The OS is certainly the best I've ever seen and is really designed for the sort of thing MUDS do. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MUD Shell ... ?
It would seem to me that Debian could have a Shell that looked and acted an awful lot like a MUD created, with applications representing spells and objects being added with processes representing the player characters. The directories would represent rooms in the game. Any thoughts on this? ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUD Shell ... ?
> On Thursday 31 October 2002 09:50, Soul Computer wrote: > > It would seem to me that Debian could have a > > Shell that looked and acted an awful lot like a > > MUD created, with applications representing > > spells and objects being added with processes > > representing the player characters. The > > directories would represent rooms in the game. > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > ->Scwawcaac<- > > people have done this kind of thing once or > twice but they never really make it past the > interesting toy phase. > > It sounds like a great way for you to learn > more about how a shell works and to have some > fun while doing it. For that, unfortunately, I would first need a good BASIC to C translator to learn from ... :( ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scwawcaac: Need more information before installing ...
I bought my new computer for use as a publishing tool (paper publishing). In order to use it in this way, however, I need it to either be able to use Symantec Q&A Write v3.0 for Windows, or be able to obtain a program that can do similar, if not identical work. What programs are available for this, and where would I find them? Would anyone have a recommendation? Also, I need to have good reassurances that my telephony connection will still work after install, so I can obtain my e-mail and get more information or possibly download software for the machine. Finally, I need to know if I have any devices that can not be used by Linux. I have a Lexmark Z13 USB printer and a Canon bjc4200 printer. If either of these is incompatible, I will use the other. I also have a ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus Scanner (USB). The last is where would I find sound support for an SB16 card for Linux? I like the sounds. Thank you for any assistance that can be supplied. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scwawcaac: Need more information before installing ... (fwd)
Last time I tried to send this, it appeared to have a virus. I hope this is not the case, so I will try to send it, again. ->Scwawcaac<- Forwarded message Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:58:10 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Scwawcaac: Need more information before installing ... I bought my new computer for use as a publishing tool (paper publishing). In order to use it in this way, however, I need it to either be able to use Symantec Q&A Write v3.0 for Windows, or be able to obtain a program that can do similar, if not identical work. What programs are available for this, and where would I find them? Would anyone have a recommendation? Also, I need to have good reassurances that my telephony connection will still work after install, so I can obtain my e-mail and get more information or possibly download software for the machine. Finally, I need to know if I have any devices that can not be used by Linux. I have a Lexmark Z13 USB printer and a Canon bjc4200 printer. If either of these is incompatible, I will use the other. I also have a ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus Scanner (USB). The last is where would I find sound support for an SB16 card for Linux? I like the sounds. Thank you for any assistance that can be supplied. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
I require a professional quality publishing package for Linux before I can install the Operating System. It mus be able to handle page layout for paper publishing, preferably in a way like Q&A Write 3.0 for Windows by Symantec. I understand that Word Perfect may be available to fill this need, but I wanted to see if there was another application constructed to perform an identical task in this environment. Also, we need to be able to use the modem. How would it be set up once the O/S is installed? ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
Well, then, by that assessment, I should have a usuable copy of The Bridge Community Newsletter within two or three days of the Linux Install. ->Scwawcaac<- On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:30:06 -0700 (PDT) David Smead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andy, Good advice when you have to start from scratch. But with a directory full of prototypes and macros which can be clicked into the source text things get a lot easier. If you can get a local expert to jumpstart you then you'll be producing output in a few hours. It took me five hours from the start of installation in 1985 to having a printed copy of the first chapter of Living on 12 Volts with Ample Power. After that I struggled for many hours tweaking and experimenting, but it has been well worth the effort. -- Sincerely, David Smead http://www.amplepower.com. On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Andy Saxena wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:28:30PM -0700, David Smead wrote: > > You can use LaTeX and associated programs to publish books, catalogs, data > > sheets, e-commerce sites, etc. Software cost $0.00. Some learning > > required. > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > > > David Smead > > http://www.amplepower.com. > > > > Just brew up a big pot of coffee before you begin learning Latex :-}. > > -Andy > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:42:53 -0700 craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon Apr 22, 2002 at 11:55:17PM -0400, Andy Saxena wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:28:30PM -0700, David Smead wrote: > > You can use LaTeX and associated programs to publish books, catalogs, data > > sheets, e-commerce sites, etc. Software cost $0.00. Some learning > > required. > > > > -- -- I don't know anything about publishing and page layout, but since not many have answered... I've seen comments from people in the field that Linux is definitely just "not there yet". Others prefer TeX, LaTeX, etc, and those will swear by them & say it's the only way. If you want something like PageMaker, Quark, or whatever, I think you'll have to wait. Adobe FrameMaker is available for Unix, but AFAIK it's just on Solaris & a couple of the other "big" *nix's. I saw something quite recently about a project to produce a Linux competitor to theses type programs, but I don't think they've released anything yet & unfortunately I forget the name. There is also Deneba Canvas, and KDE's KWord probably claims to be in this league. -CraigW "You stole fizzy lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!" -Willy Wonka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will see what I can come up with. Thank you for the pointers! :) ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) David Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andy -- > I've seen comments from people in the field that Linux is definitely > just "not there yet". Others prefer TeX, LaTeX, etc, and those will > swear by them & say it's the only way. > If you want something like PageMaker, Quark, or whatever, I think > you'll have to wait. Adobe FrameMaker is available for Unix, but AFAIK > it's just on Solaris & a couple of the other "big" *nix's. If the "people" who made those comments had take 15 minutes (that's how long me to do a google search, and find Correl's Linux Product) to do a little web reseach. They would have known that BOTH Correll Office 2002 and CorrellDraw run on Linux here is the link: http://linux.corel.com/products/ David -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apparently, this is a heartier community than I could have possible imagined. I will look in to the link and see what I can learn! :D ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:27:28 -0400 Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They would have known that BOTH Correll Office 2002 and CorrellDraw > run on Linux here is the link: A bit more research would show that these products are essentially abandoned by Corel, have seen no bug-fix releases to reduce the huge amount of bugs therein, and work best under a version of corelwine for which you can no longer find the sources. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! You will probably marry after a very brief courtship. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tend to agree with Alan ... I looked in to buying it, and they said I could not buy it from them, anymore! >:( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:59:21 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) "David Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've seen comments from people in the field that Linux is definitely > > just "not there yet". Others prefer TeX, LaTeX, etc, and those will > > swear by them & say it's the only way. > > If you want something like PageMaker, Quark, or whatever, I think > > you'll have to wait. Adobe FrameMaker is available for Unix, but AFAIK > > it's just on Solaris & a couple of the other "big" *nix's. > > If the "people" who made those comments had take 15 minutes (that's > how long me to do a google search, and find Correl's Linux Product) > to do a little web reseach. > > They would have known that BOTH Correll Office 2002 and CorrellDraw > run on Linux here is the link: [link to dead product omitted] If you want something free (speech) and works like Quark, try Scribus: http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/ If you want something free and works a bit like FrameMaker, try KWord (a KDE project). They're not quite there, but at least they're going somewhere. And if they aren't, well at least you have the source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will try it. It can't be any worse the Microsoft Publisher ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Scwawcaac: I need a little more on apps available for Linux
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:25:49 -0400 Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I found four CD's containing WP8: [...] > <http://www.linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=B000-162&id=3RYOcpGNBCRrg> > > It doesn't really say what format they are, perhaps they have various > formats. I think it should be safe to assume that the last one should > contain the deb file, even if the others don't. Yes, and that's the one you want. That version has a bunch of fixes that were never available anywhere else, even to people who paid a couple hundred bucks for the server edition. == This raises an interesting question for WP8. Did they ever release the source for it so it could be repaired? ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hard Discs and Virtual Memory ...
I remember that Linux can use a partition for virtual memory. Well ... I want to upgrade my computer by adding an 80GB HDD and making it the boot disc. The second (original HDD will then be delegated to some other use. It is 1.2GB. I was wondering if Linux could co-opt this second HDD en lieu of the Virtual Memory Partition, and, if so, how would I tell it to do so? ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Hard Discs and Virtual Memory ...
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Paul 'Baloo' Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please turn your word wrap on. == I will word wrap manually by pressing . I apologize for any problems Earthlink's Webmail may have cuased everyone. ->Scwawcaac<- ====== On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Soul Computer wrote: > I remember that Linux can use a partition for virtual memory. Well > ... I want to upgrade my computer by adding an 80GB HDD and making it > the boot disc. The second (original HDD will then be delegated to > some other use. It is 1.2GB. I was wondering if Linux could co-opt > this second HDD en lieu of the Virtual Memory Partition, and, if so, > how would I tell it to do so? Partition the 1.2 as a Linux swap partition, edit /etc/fstab to point to there for a swap. == What do I look for in /etc/fstab to poin to the old HDD, and will it use it? Someone indicated there was a limit to the size of the swap partition ... ->Scwawcaac<- == Anybody know an easy way to losslessly repartition ext3 to fill the void after removing an old swap partition? == Wasn't there a safe partitioning tool that would permit you to change the kind of partition it was without touching the other partitions? I seem to remember seeing one ... ->Scwawcaac<- == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Hard Discs and Virtual Memory ...
On Wed, 1 May 2002 06:48:47 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT) "Paul 'Baloo' Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please turn your word wrap on. > > On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Soul Computer wrote: > > > I remember that Linux can use a partition for virtual memory. Well > > ... I want to upgrade my computer by adding an 80GB HDD and making it > > the boot disc. The second (original HDD will then be delegated to > > some other use. It is 1.2GB. I was wondering if Linux could co-opt > > this second HDD en lieu of the Virtual Memory Partition, and, if so, > > how would I tell it to do so? > > Partition the 1.2 as a Linux swap partition, edit /etc/fstab to point to > there for a swap. Shouldn't he be using the bigger disk for swap? A 1.2 GB drive is likely to be slower (older=slower). == It's a P100. How fast can I expect it to be? ->Scwawcaac<- == > Anybody know an easy way to losslessly repartition ext3 to fill the void > after removing an old swap partition? I don't know if it's easy (or safe), but shouldn't GNU parted do the trick? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Hard Discs and Virtual Memory ...
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:48:47AM +0800, csj wrote: > Shouldn't he be using the bigger disk for swap? A 1.2 GB drive is likely > to be slower (older=slower). I think he's got the right idea. The drive may be slower, but it won't be doing anything else, so swap requests won't have to wait for other reads/writes to complete and other reads/writes won't be interrupted by the heads getting dragged off to another section of disk. == Until I can get the new disk (a few months) the old one will perform as the installed disk and swap. However, the older one I think can be dedicated to swap once the new one (I've got my eye on an 80GB HDD) is installed. Also, I will need at least a dual boot computer. I remember software came with linux for this, and I want it so I can play games and do Newsletter work. Linux also has a tool so I can repartition the old disk so I don't lose it's current data, as I understood it, so I can use it for DOS in the near future. Anyway, I can always use Interlnk and Intersvr to backup my data on an even older computer. Speaking of which, is there a way to build a Linux Terminal on a 386 with only 60MB HDD? ->Scwawcaac<- == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drop-In Security Queries
I need to know if it possible to set up a Debian system so it does the following: [1] Permits people to have private local accounts [1]: I know this is a given. [2] Set up a history log to track where people go when they are using the system. [3] Restrict where they can't go as needed. Any help you can provide will be greately appreciated. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Drop-In Security Queries
Uh ... I'm kind of new to Linux. I kind of get the idea, now it would be nice to learn just how to set this up on a linux machine. ->Scwacaac<- Ouch! - My primary computer operating experience\ was on a Honeywell DPS 6 running GCOS Mod 6. == On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sure - what I'd do is set up the browser you're using to use localhost as a proxy. Then the local machine's server logs will suffice as your history of users' surfing destinations, and you can configure the local machine to disallow proxy requests to wherever you want. ap -- Andrew J Perrin - http://www.unc.edu/~aperrin Assistant Professor of Sociology, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] * andrew_perrin (at) unc.edu On Mon, 6 May 2002, Soul Computer wrote: > I need to know if it possible to set up a Debian system so it does the > following: [1] Permits people to have private local accounts [1]: I know > this is a given. [2] Set up a history log to track where people go when > they are using the system. [3] Restrict where they can't go as needed. > Any help you can provide will be greately appreciated. ->Scwawcaac<- -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help! My email is swamped!
Can you switch me list email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please? I would have better tools to manage it, there. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help! My email is swamped!
Never mind ... I just found the bulk email management controls. Now I feel embarassed ... ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ...<- ->On Top!<- On Fri, 10 May 2002 20:04:47 -0700 Soul Computer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can you switch me list email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please? I would have better tools to manage it, there. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe a corny idea ...
Maybe this is a bad idea, but I thought that since Linux is the original multi-user, multitasking operating system for the PC, it could be used to do some really neat stuff. What I had in mind for those of you who could afford it was the purchasing of a flat screen LCD touch screen, then laying it flat, and using it as a variable input device, similar to a configurable keyboard/joystick device. Another display would be attached to the computer as a CRT, and from this dual-screen console, all kinds of cool stuff could be done. For example, the "keyboard" could be configured with throttle and directional controls for games with all kinds of gauges and buttons, and a standard QUERTY design the next, and some other layout the next. I thought Linux would be perfect for this since it is so streamlined, and the Windoze would actually be too CPU intensive by it's nature to perform a similar funtion. ->Scwawcaac<- "What you work the most to achieve in life is what's truly important." -Antoine De Saint Exupery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not-So-Ancient History (was Re: Maybe a corny idea ...)
On 17 May 2002 21:04:09 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 20:05, Soul Computer wrote: > Maybe this is a bad idea, but I thought that > since Linux is the original multi-user, > multitasking operating system for the PC, it Fat chance. MP/M (the multi-user variant of CP/M was running on 8080s & Z-80s (8 bit processors!!) back in the early '80's (and maybe even late '70's). Does remembering North* and Cromemco make a dinosaur? Surely, being a mainframe COBOL programmer does...) Back when MSFT was small, it sold Xenix (a cut-down Unix derivative for the 80286 (and maybe 8086) and M68000) in the mid-80's. When the '386 came out (1986), a few ATT-licensees (including SCO) brought Unix to the PC. (Did ATT put Unix on the 6300? I know the 7300 (aka Unix PC, aka 3B1), but it ran on the 68K.) The Mark Williams Co brought out Coherent in the late '80s. It was ATT-free, and even had an X Windows. (Even at $50, it couldn't compete with Linux...) Of course, we can't forget Minix, who's limitations spurred Linus to which would become greatness. I'm sure I've left something out... == Thanks for the history. I appreciate it ... Anyway, to date myself, I used a Honeywell DPS 6. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maybe a corny idea ...
n Fri, 17 May 2002 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Elizabeth Barham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Soul Computer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe this is a bad idea, but I thought that > since Linux is the original multi-user, > multitasking operating system for the PC, it > could be used to do some really neat stuff. What > I had in mind for those of you who could afford > it was the purchasing of a flat screen LCD touch > screen, then laying it flat, and using it as a > variable input device, similar to a configurable > keyboard/joystick device. Another display would > be attached to the computer as a CRT, and from > this dual-screen console, all kinds of cool stuff > could be done. For example, the "keyboard" could > be configured with throttle and directional > controls for games with all kinds of gauges and > buttons, and a standard QUERTY design the next, > and some other layout the next. Yes that would be nice. One practical use of this is enabling quadroplegics or other-disabled persons to use the computer more easily by holding a stylus in their mouth or via a headset to operate the machine while also providing instant feedback on the "keyboard/screen" thingy (feedback in regards to their commands so they would not need to look up at the CRT until their command has been entered succesfully). Elizabeth == I had not thought of that. Incidently, I was corrected on Linux being the first Unix clone for the PC. In any event, the use for this device would seem to be endless. I had thought it would be a cool way for Linux to compete with Windoze and provide an outstanding game interface where Windoze would have a hard time of it, but as an accessibility function for individuals with disibilities, it would hold great promise. I have a disability, so I should have thought of this [blushing heavily]. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maybe a corny idea ...
On 18 May 2002 15:50:41 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 15:27, Soul Computer wrote: > n Fri, 17 May 2002 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Elizabeth Barham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- Soul Computer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe this is a bad idea, but I thought that > > since Linux is the original multi-user, > > multitasking operating system for the PC, it > > could be used to do some really neat stuff. What > > I had in mind for those of you who could afford > > it was the purchasing of a flat screen LCD touch http://www.linuxdevices.com/ This site is dedicated to all Linux things interesting and small. There, you can find articles on small-footprint motherboards and small LCD screens. Maybe from there you can find touch- screens also. == I will have to look in to this. It may take me a few days ... ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not-So-Ancient History (was Re: Maybe a corny idea ...)
On Sat, 18 May 2002 14:51:46 -0700 Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Soul Computer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020518 13:21]: > >>On 17 May 2002 21:04:09 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 20:05, Soul Computer wrote: >> >>>Maybe this is a bad idea, but I thought that >>>since Linux is the original multi-user, >>>multitasking operating system for the PC, it >> >>Fat chance. MP/M (the multi-user variant of CP/M was > > . > . > . > >>Of course, we can't forget Minix, who's limitations spurred >>Linus to which would become greatness. >> >>I'm sure I've left something out... >>== >>Thanks for the history. I appreciate it ... >>Anyway, to date myself, I used a Honeywell DPS 6. >> > > > Scwawcaac: > > Can you please set your mailer to insert a "> " in front of each line > you quote in replies? The last couple of messages were very confusing. > As you can see above, the problem is further complicated when the > message is quoted again, since Ron Johnson's original text above is at > the same level of indentation as your latest text. It looks like you're > repeating what other people have said rather than quoting it. If you > need help setting it up, let us know what mailer it is and hopefully > someone will be able to help you. Thanks. > > good times, > Vineet Mozilla displays this message perfectly and both levels of ">" are in the message source here. Paul Scott == || == Paul Scott: It would seem that the Earthlink Webmail is very spartan. It has no fine control over the system, and refuses to set 'word wrapping,' let alone quote specifications. I try to set a spacer between the previous message and my own, but it seems that it wasn't enough, before. I have since expanded the spacer in hopes of providing a clearer email. As for possibly fixing the problem, we may all have to jump on Earthlink to make their webmail more functional. Sorry. ->Scwawcaac<- == || == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not-So-Ancient History (was Re: Maybe a corny idea ...)
>| On Sat, 18 May 2002 14:51:46 -0700 Paul Scott ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >| | Mozilla displays this message perfectly and >both levels of ">" are in >| | the message source here. > >Both? There's 3 (or more) levels of indents >there with only 2 levels >of '>'. > >| >== >| >|>| >| >== >| >| Paul Scott: >| >| It would seem that the Earthlink Webmail is >very >| spartan. It has no fine control over the >system, >| and refuses to set 'word wrapping,' let alone >| quote specifications. I try to set a spacer >| between the previous message and my own, but it >| seems that it wasn't enough, before. I have >since >| expanded the spacer in hopes of providing a >| clearer email. > >It isn't really clearer. It rather makes it harder to figure out on >some terminals (think of limited screen real-estate). The normal mode >of quoting is to indent it with a delimiter. When scanning the left >side of these messages to find the beginning of your text, the qouted >text is found first (and appears not quoted) and that is what makes it >hard to read. MS Outhouse is the same way (by default). > >| As for possibly fixing the problem, we may all have to jump on >| Earthlink to make their webmail more functional. > >You go do that, or get a decent mailer. Earthlink provides an >SMTP smarthost, don't they? Configure your (debian) box to use it and >then you can use a real program like mutt :-). Only one problem with that. I ordered new Linux CD's, and they seem to have vanished. Tought me a good lesson, however ... not all vendors listed on debian.org are legit. I will go with Edmund Enterprises (or something like that; that's how I remember it) the next time I order CD's. Anyway, I will try Powerlink. I have only a 19.2 modem at home. With the addition of an Ethernet card, I can use Powerlink (or so it's said). Hope I won't have any problems ... Probably will keep the Earthlink, though. ->Scwawcaac<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fsck bus error: 'attempt to access beyond end of device' during boot
>Hi,
>
>[Please Cc me on replies, I'm not subscribed.]
>
>The short summary: When booting, my box gives >up, stating:
>
> NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:02: rw=0, want=1023464393, limit=48384
> dev 03:02 blocksize=1024 blocknr=
> ...
> /etc/init.d/rc.S: line 38: 10 segmentation >fault loadkeys ...
> Activating Swap
> Adding swap
> checking root filesystem
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:02: ...
> dev 03:02: ...
> ...
> /etc/init.d/rc.S: line 145: 19 bus error fsck >${spinner} ...
> ...
> fsck failed
>
> Give root password for maintenance
>
>Giving a ^d and booting again fixes it: booting >fails and succeeds, with
>the phase of the moon.
>
>Does this mean my hardware is broken? How can I >find out if this is the
>case? Is my diskpartitioning corrupt? What can >I do to investigate
>this problem further? Would reinstalling the >box solve anything?
>
>The long story:
>
>This box (133 MHz Pentium, 48 MB Ram, hda: >QUANTUM BIGFOOT2100A, 2015MB
>w/87kB Cache, CHS=1023/64/63, Award Modular Bios >v4.51 PG 1996) used to
>run Windows. I've run fips.exe on the disk, now >the disk looks like:
>
> Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 1023 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes
>
> Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System
> /dev/hda1 * 1 356717664+ b Win95 FAT32
> /dev/hda2 357 380 48384 83 Linux
> /dev/hda3 381 428 96768 82 Linux swap
> /dev/hda4 429 1023 11995205 Extended
> /dev/hda5 429 501147136+ 83 Linux
> /dev/hda6 502 864731776+ 83 Linux
> /dev/hda7 865 1023320512+ 83 Linux
>
>which gets mounted as
>
> FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2 46M 26M 18M 59% /
> /dev/hda5 139M 37M 95M 28% /var
> /dev/hda6 703M 275M 392M 42% /usr
> /dev/hda7 303M 405k 287M 1% /home
> /dev/hda1 697M 531M 166M 77% /mnt
>
>fips didn't complain.
>
>I've installed Debian GNU/Linux woody, from 3.0.23-2002-05-21 rescue
>floppy disks. The rest got fetched via the network. Installation went
>flawless. I installed Lilo, the machine boots Windows 98 just fine.
>
>However, when trying to boot Linux, there's this:
>
> Partition check:
> hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 hda7 >
> ...
> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
> ...
> NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:02: rw=0, want=1023464393, limit=48384
> dev 03:02 blocksize=1024 blocknr=
> ...
> /etc/init.d/rc.S: line 38: 10 segmentation fault loadkeys ...
> Activating Swap
> Adding swap
> checking root filesystem
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:02: ...
> dev 03:02: ...
> ...
> /etc/init.d/rc.S: line 145: 19 bus error fsck ${spinner} ...
> ...
> fsck failed
>
> Give root password for maintenance
>
>on the console, quite often. Booting succeeds >about 50% of the times.
>
>BTW, the error occurs just after `NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for
>Linux NET4.0.'. Normally,
>
> Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
> Adding Swap: 96764k swap-space (priority -1)
>
>occurs just after that. Could there be a problem with boottime.kmap.gz?
>
>I checked the RAM, running memtest86 for about 15 hours. It passed 70
>tests with 0 errors.
>
>I've run dselect successfully: banging on the disk does _not_ cause any
>errors when Linux succeeded to boot. Running X and galeon causes no
>troubles either. (I didn't notice any yet, that's for sure.)
>
>However, I'd very much like this box to boot fine always: I'm installing
>it for a friend, don't want to get him struggling with this.
>
>I'd be very glad if anybody could give me insight in what's happening
>here, and I'm very willing to give more information and do more testing
>if needed.
>
>Thanks for your time!
For the light answer (and completely useless), you don't have to censor fuck
out of your email, here. For a serious answer ... I'm totally at a loss. But
then, I'm still new to Linux, myself, and helplessly watched as Windoze at my
data ...
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Replacement for X-Windows?
I have an idea for a cool GUI that would be intuitive, if nothing else. It would be based on a Doom interface, where you "walk" from directory to directory. In each Directory, there would be a room. In the back wall of the room (as you enter) would be the door to the parent directory. In the front wall of the room would be doors leading to subdirectories. Along the front wall would also be filing cabinets (this could also be along the right or left walls). The filing cabinets could have a graphical representation of all the files in that directory (subdirectories not included). Along with the file cabinets would be a "metal" cabinet (new file), copier (copy file) and a shredder (wipe file). There would also have to be a wall panel in each room that has shortcuts that are always available to the user. To open a file, one merely has to access a file drawer (by "opening" it), then select their file (which goes in to their "inventory") and opening it. This can bring up an associated application. To copy a file, they take a file to the copier, place it on the machine, and press start, which produces another copy of the file in their inventory. You can wipe the file by dropping it in to the shredder. You deselect a file by dropping it from your inventory (if you drop it in another directory "room," you just moved it! So be careful!). If you have a copy of a file, you can place it in whatever room you want. I don't know how to emulate a link ... If you think this would be a more intuitive (although more clunky) interface than Xwindows or Windows, tell me. I would be most interested. One other thing: I am stuck knowing only BASIC. Anyone willing to bring this idea to fruition, however, would have my blessings. ->Scwawcaac<- ->The Soul Computer With Abundant Whipped Cream And A Cherry ... <- ->On Top!<- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
