CUPS permissions

[Peter Ehlert]

CUPS permissions

when I go to http://localhost:631/admin the dashboard is displayed as 
expected.


Manage Printers does display my MFCL3770CDW and I am (apparently) able 
to manage and edit the settings.


however
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

is this normal behavior? I do want to add another printer

Re: CUPS permissions

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/25/21 9:27 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 05:40:36AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

CUPS permissions

when I go to http://localhost:631/admin the dashboard is displayed as
expected.

Manage Printers does display my MFCL3770CDW and I am (apparently) able to
manage and edit the settings.

however
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

is this normal behavior? I do want to add another printer


Yes, that is normal.
you should get a login dialog.

oops, I forgot this part:

It does not ask for a root password, it goes straight to "forbidden"



What works here depends. In most settings root/root-password will work.


I will try installing the printer again and check.



-H

Re: CUPS permissions

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/25/21 12:11 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:47:33AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 8/25/21 9:27 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 05:40:36AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

CUPS permissions

when I go to http://localhost:631/admin the dashboard is displayed as
expected.

Manage Printers does display my MFCL3770CDW and I am (apparently) able to
manage and edit the settings.

however
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

is this normal behavior? I do want to add another printer


Yes, that is normal.
you should get a login dialog.

oops, I forgot this part:

It does not ask for a root password, it goes straight to "forbidden"

I'm guessing you entered the "wrong" username earlier, and now your
browser is remembering it and isn't giving you the option to change it.

https://superuser.com/questions/596225/entered-wrong-username-at-cups-and-now-i-cant-manage-printers

Some people report restarting the browser is enough.  Some claim they
have to reboot.  Who knows.


thanks. restarting firefox worked.
I got the login dialog box

after login as (user)
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

back to square one

Re: CUPS permissions

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/26/21 5:07 AM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 26 Aug 2021 at 09:16:31 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:


On 25/8/21 22:40, Peter Ehlert wrote:

CUPS permissions

when I go to http://localhost:631/admin the dashboard is displayed as
expected.

Manage Printers does display my MFCL3770CDW and I am (apparently) able
to manage and edit the settings.

however
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

is this normal behavior? I do want to add another printer


Have you (username) joined lpadmin (group)?

It would be useful to have the outputs of

   groups

$ groups
peter cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev


and

   grep SystemGroup /etc/cups/cups-files.conf

$ grep SystemGroup /etc/cups/cups-files.conf
SystemGroup lpadmin


from the OP.

Re: CUPS permissions

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/26/21 5:53 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 01:37:49PM +0100, Brian wrote:

On Thu 26 Aug 2021 at 13:23:58 +0100, mick crane wrote:


On 2021-08-26 12:59, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 8/25/21 12:11 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

Some people report restarting the browser is enough.  Some claim they
have to reboot.  Who knows.


thanks. restarting firefox worked.
I got the login dialog box

after login as (user)
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

back to square one

I've got a print server working but I've forgotten how.
added a new printer a year or so ago.
Might have been lpadmin or something.
I do know always have to reboot after making changes.

Rebooting after adding a printer is *never* needed.

Agreed.

I suspect there's some *really* basic misunderstanding going on at some
level.  Let's start from the beginning.

Thanks for this list of basics. I am now beginning to understand.


In order to administer a printer in CUPS, you do the following things:


1) Make sure the root account has a PASSWORD.  Make sure you know it.
    Access to sudo doesn't count.

I never use sudo, no users get sudo privileges on any of my machines.


2) Install cups.
* cups was not installed by default. The Brother installer did flag that 
first off, easily corrected


3) Visit http://localhost:631/ in a GUI web browser.  Make sure 
Javascript

    is allowed.

4) At some point, when you try to do stuff to the printers in the 
browser,

    you will be prompted for a username and password, using HTTP basic
    authentication.  When this occurs, you should login as root, using
    root's password.


BINGO: I was not using root



5) If you screwed up and logged in as yourself, restart the web browser
    so that you can get the HTTP basic authentication dialog box 
again.  Go

    to step 4.

6) Once the printer is set up via the browser, you should be able to see
    it and print to it from the command line.  "lpstat -t" to see all of
    the printers and their status.  "lp" or "lpr" to print a text file.

$ lpstat -t
scheduler is running
no system default destination
device for MFCL3770CDW: 
dnssd://Brother%20MFC-L3770CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-b4220033103b

MFCL3770CDW accepting requests since Sun 22 Aug 2021 05:44:11 AM PDT
printer MFCL3770CDW is idle.  enabled since Sun 22 Aug 2021 05:44:11 AM PDT


Any variants on this procedure will require knowledge that I don't
personally possess.  E.g. if for some reason you refuse to set a root
password, then you may have to set up a printer-admin account which
has the appropriate privileges, and a password, and then use that
instead of root.  I don't know what those privs would be.


Summary:

I removed my browser cookie for "localhost"

restarted the browser

when CUPS requested a password I used "root"

I am now able to add printers and edit all options

Thanks to all for the assistance and Education

Re: CUPS permissions >Fixed

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/26/21 5:53 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 01:37:49PM +0100, Brian wrote:

On Thu 26 Aug 2021 at 13:23:58 +0100, mick crane wrote:


On 2021-08-26 12:59, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 8/25/21 12:11 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

Some people report restarting the browser is enough.  Some claim they
have to reboot.  Who knows.


thanks. restarting firefox worked.
I got the login dialog box

after login as (user)
Add Printer gives> Unable to add printer: Forbidden

back to square one

I've got a print server working but I've forgotten how.
added a new printer a year or so ago.
Might have been lpadmin or something.
I do know always have to reboot after making changes.

Rebooting after adding a printer is *never* needed.

Agreed.

I suspect there's some *really* basic misunderstanding going on at some
level.  Let's start from the beginning.

Thanks for this list of basics. I am now beginning to understand.


In order to administer a printer in CUPS, you do the following things:


1) Make sure the root account has a PASSWORD.  Make sure you know it.
Access to sudo doesn't count.

I never use sudo, no users get sudo privileges on any of my machines.


2) Install cups.
* cups was not installed by default. The Brother installer did flag that 
first off, easily corrected


3) Visit http://localhost:631/ in a GUI web browser.  Make sure Javascript
is allowed.

4) At some point, when you try to do stuff to the printers in the browser,
you will be prompted for a username and password, using HTTP basic
authentication.  When this occurs, you should login as root, using
root's password.


BINGO: I was not using root



5) If you screwed up and logged in as yourself, restart the web browser
so that you can get the HTTP basic authentication dialog box again.  Go
to step 4.

6) Once the printer is set up via the browser, you should be able to see
it and print to it from the command line.  "lpstat -t" to see all of
the printers and their status.  "lp" or "lpr" to print a text file.

$ lpstat -t
scheduler is running
no system default destination
device for MFCL3770CDW: 
dnssd://Brother%20MFC-L3770CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-b4220033103b

MFCL3770CDW accepting requests since Sun 22 Aug 2021 05:44:11 AM PDT
printer MFCL3770CDW is idle.  enabled since Sun 22 Aug 2021 05:44:11 AM PDT


Any variants on this procedure will require knowledge that I don't
personally possess.  E.g. if for some reason you refuse to set a root
password, then you may have to set up a printer-admin account which
has the appropriate privileges, and a password, and then use that
instead of root.  I don't know what those privs would be.


Summary:

I removed my browser cookie for "localhost"

restarted the browser

when CUPS requested a password I used "root"

I am now able to add printers and edit all options

Thanks to all for the assistance and Education

Re: Debian stable + backports + testing

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/28/21 5:35 PM, Yoann LE BARS wrote:

Hello everybody out there!

On 2021/08/29 at 02:26 am, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

That said, Dan's advice is quite solid: have your mixed environment in a
VM, chroot, or other virtual environment.  When it gets into an unusable
state (it very likely will at some point, especially as testing further
diverges from stable), you can wipe it clean and start over.

So, here is the way I get it: use Debian stable + backports as the
system basis.

Stability is really important for me.
I am more conservative and I Don't use Backports*. Stable Only.

my experimenting is done on other machines or separate systems (multi-boot)

*clipped from the Debian Wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/Backports)

"Backports are recompiled packages from testing 
 (mostly) and unstable 
 (in a few cases only, e.g. 
security updates), so they will run without new libraries (wherever it 
is possible) on a stable Debian distribution. It is recommended to pick 
out single backports which fit your needs, and not to use all backports 
available."

For cutting edge tests, use a virtual machine in which,
well, any adventurous experiment needed can be done, as it can be thrown
away any time.

Well, it seems quite reasonable. Thank you for the advice!

Best regards.

Re: Debian 11 and Win10 dual boot -- SOLVED

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/28/21 1:07 PM, Intense Red wrote:

The problem was that Win10 would constantly overwrite the MBR and blow away
GRUB which forced the computer to boot straight into Windows.

The solution is to go into Windows, open a command prompt/shell as the
Windows administrator and run:

  "bcedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\debian\grubx64.efi"


does it automatically boot to Debian with Windows listed in your GRUB menu?

Re: Make wider selectable edge in Mate windows

[Peter Ehlert]

On 9/19/21 5:31 AM, songbird wrote:

Dedeco Balaco wrote:
...

My theme is a personalized one. I can give information about it, Jeremy.
Just tell me what and how.

   i've been running MATE via testing for a long time now
(and also keep a spare stable partition for booting in
case of trouble) and i've not noticed any problem with the
border becoming more difficult to click on for resizing or
whatever but i primarily use the Mate Terminal and vim and
that just all works as it should.  i don't do anything
fancy with the title nor do i look at it much.  for the
shell prompt that is put in my .bashrc .login or .profile,
i'm not sure what order those are applied, but it all works
so i leave it alone.


same here, but I run the current Stable... it just works

true, sometimes the edge is a little hard to grab, but I attribute that 
to my lack of dexterity.




   once you get into customising a theme that is beyone my
expertise so good luck with figuring that out.  :)  my basic
advice for that case would be to go back and find a default
that works and then change one thing at a time until you
figure out where you made the mistake that is messing things
up.


   songbird

Re: Access to files in wiki.debian.org.

[Peter Ehlert]

Is there some reason why the wiki is not shown on the 
https://www.debian.org page?

It seems logical that a link would be on https://www.debian.org/support

On 9/22/21 3:48 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Ken wrote:

Does anybody know when access to wiki.debian.org will be opened?  There are
two files there, UEFI and GrubEFIReinstall, that I need in order to find
out how to install a boot loader in my desktop.  On 2021-09-11 I was able
to read these files on another computer; but not thinking that it would be
necessary, I did not download them then.  Would they be available from
another source?  I did a Google search but could not find another another
one.

As suggested in a post to the debian-user list last August I sent an email
to w...@debian.org with my 1P address and the names of the files I need.  I
do however find it passing strange that while the wiki had apparently been
locked down since mid-August or earlier,  in mid-September I did have
access on wiki to both but not since.

I've responded to Ken off-list to see what we can do to fix his access.

Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

[Peter Ehlert]

Respectful sir, please review what you just wrote on a public facing page.

I for one would not want you in my work place.
Best Wishes with your job search.

BTW: the internet is Forever. It can't be cancelled.

On September 24, 2021 10:38:01 AM Chuck Zmudzinski  
wrote:



On 9/24/2021 8:04 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 07:45:03 -0400
Chuck Zmudzinski  wrote:

Hello Chuck,


happened to me, but I would not be surprised
if in the U.S. eventually Debian will get sued
unless it scrubs its website of some of the

In the USA, Section 230 covers this;  Debian can't be held liable for
comments made by others using their systems.



However, if Debian refuses to remove defamatory comments,
perhaps Debian could be held liable if Debian refuses to remove
comments at a person's request if the comments truly harm a
person's good reputation and, for example, destroys a person's
ability to get a job in software development, or anywhere else
for that matter. Who would hire me if they read what is now
being said about me by Andy Smith, et. al. on Debian's web
pages. If Debian wants to be sure to avoid such a lawsuit,
I think Debian should remove at least some comments to
completely avoid legal liability. I am sure I could find a lawyer
in the U.S. to try it if I wanted to.

Cheers,

Chuck

Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

[Peter Ehlert]

On 9/25/21 5:10 PM, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2021-09-25 at 20:00, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com
wrote:

I had to look up the meaning of FAOD.  Are you kidding me?  What
did I do or say to get a response like that?

I may have misunderstood which message you were pointing to -- I
was interested in the message that Chuck wrote that prompted all
the criticism.

So a misunderstanding about which message we each were talking
about, but FAOD???

And if FAOD means what I found on the internet, that must violate
the Debian CoC.

Oops, I may need to apologize -- I googled for FAOD, but in googles
own "it knows better" manner, it showed me definitios of FOAD :-(

I've been assuming it was a typo for FOAD, but I don't know what you
said to provoke that reaction.

If it really was FAOD then I have no idea what it stands for.


I too had no clue... and was shocked at the FOAD hits I got

today Google is actually different:
10 pages searching for "FAOD"  resulted in nothing but fatty acid links.
then the suggested search: "FAOD meaning" got me to this:

Acronym    Definition
FAOD    Forever and One Day
FAOD    Free App of the Day
FAOD    Fatty Acid Oxidation Disorder
FAOD    Fructosyl-Amino Acid Oxidase (biochemistry)
FAOD    Furry Army of Doom (online group)
FAOD    For Avoidance Of Doubt (chiefly British)


rhkramer correctly identified it in the most recent reply: "For
Avoidance of Doubt".

that is comforting
LOL (laughing out loud)

It hadn't occurred to me that it wouldn't be
readily recognizable in these circles, or that Google wouldn't find it
easily. (I may actually be more surprised by the latter than by the former.)

Re: Printing bug: which package to report?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/3/21 3:01 PM, David Jarvie wrote:

I've found a new printing bug which I want to report, but I don't know which
package to report against.

My Samsung M2885FW printer now always prints double sided even when I set the
duplex print parameter to Off. This is on Debian Bullseye. It didn't happen
when Bullseye was first released in August.


can you edit the settings with CUPS?

http://localhost:631/admin/



Can someone please tell me which package to enter in the bug report?

Re: Buster to bullseye upgrade: Worth it or not?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/11/21 5:59 AM, local10 wrote:

Hi,

Am considering upgrading from buster to bullseye and looking for some feedback 
from those who have already done so. Was it worth it, in your opinion? Anything 
you like in particular about bullseye? Any problems/issues or degradation of 
performance/functionality/features, especially related to the KDE and its apps?


I am not a KDE user, all of my machines run Mate, so this is a bit off topic

Bullseye is great for me in almost every way.
The newer Mate apps are very nice, but not essential for me and my workflow.

next week I will deploy a "new" HP z820 work station that will be a 
significant part of my LAN and private cloud. I don't know what GPU it 
has yet, but it is Old Tech, 2012 vintage.

I am sure it will run on Bullseye just fine but...

However one of my favorite apps 
(http://alarm-clock.pseudoberries.com/#intro) will not work.


this .deb works on Buster. but not Bullseye
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/alarm-clock-applet/download

so, for me, I believe I will go for Buster for a while.

Personal choice. A test install is advised.



I'm asking this because something upgrading just isn't worth it, it's better 
perhaps to wait for the next release, like for example when KDE 3.5 was 
replaced with the initial KDE 4.x, that upgrade created so many problems (for 
me) while adding very little in terms of benefits.

Thanks

Re: Trouble connecting to wifi, Debian 11

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/13/21 6:14 AM, kaye n wrote:

Hi Friends

I've installed Debian 11 LXQT in my hard drive.
I noticed connman does not automatically run on startup, which is fine.

I manually open Connman. It can detect my usb wifi adapter because 
under Wireless tab, it says


Wifi technologies: 1 Found,  1 powered

However under the same tab, all these buttons after greyed out:
Connect, Disconnect, Remove, Rescan

And I cannot see my router on the list below these buttons.

Tried connecting and disconnecting the usb wifi adapter, no change.

Tried using a pricier usb wifi adapter, same thing.

Tried plugging in a different usb port, same thing.

I had very little trouble connecting to wifi on Debian 10 xfce.

Should i just install Debian 11 xfce or is there a solution to this?

64-bit Debian, by the way.

Also, have the same issue on the live usb Debian 11 - cannot connect 
to wifi.

are you using the nonfree firmware ISO?


Bit off topic, Debian live usb comes with complete libreoffice except 
Base. The installed version on my hard drive has only libreoffice 
Draw, i think.  Is this normal?


Thank you for your time.

Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two 
choices for internet connectivity:

   an ethernet device
  *OR*
  WiFi

However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ]
The installer is unable to see the internet.


are you using the nonfree firmware ISO?

I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree




Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the 
problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the 
Linkzone resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been 
completed.


My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive.
If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb .
Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified 
as /dev/sdc .


Is there any workaround?
TIA

Re: dead lock

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/14/21 5:54 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

hi
After  a Debian install on my amd64 laptop, I'm faced to what looks like
a beautiful dead lock:
I wanted to set a root account, but that was refused because I'm not
in /etc/sudoers, and to put me in this file, I need root privilege!
providing some Basic info about How you installed and which ISO you used 
would be useful.

whatever.

if you can open a terminal type in "su -" (lower case, no quote marks) 
and use your User password.


PS: in my opinion you should avoid creating a sudoers file unless you 
really know what you are doing. the defaults are very insecure.

I suppose that there is a solution, but I couldn't find it.
Any idea?

best regards,

Re: Debian

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/19/21 6:08 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

piorunz wrote:

On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
grateful.
Courtney

Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
on Mac??
it's quite unbelievable.


Yep, sounds fishy.

It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.

There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
something.

-dsr-

that is an interesting observation, similar to mine interviewing for 
civil engineering and land surveying positions


I suspect "courtneyxshort" is not in a local that is native English speaking

Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 11/5/21 4:50 AM, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:

Hi,

I did some test by installing 2 identical virtualbox instances (EFI 
turned on) with the same netinst image .


I typically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian desktop 
environment" marked would affect or not my XFCE installation.


It does.

a)
| [ ]  Debian desktop environment
| [*]    XFCE

b)
| [*]  Debian desktop environment
| [*]    XFCE

Using (b), I end up with 12 more installed packages.  I checked that 
there weren't any available upgrades after installing both (apt-get 
update && apt-get upgrade showed 0).


The offending list is:

hv3
libsqlite3-tcl
libtcl8.6
libtk-img
libtk8.6
tcl
tcl-tls
tcl8.6
tcllib
tk
tk-html3
tk8.6

Maybe there's a bug somewhere in tasksel?


I consider it Faulty Design.

there is no "Debian desktop environment"... from my superficial testing 
it is kinda "Gnome Lite"

(and in My Opinion gnome desktop is rather hateful).

Being selected by default is a Huge design flaw.

a simple "select a desktop environment" text message with something like 
"without a desktop you only get a terminal" as a suggestion for the 
uninformed would be far superior.


BTW: I only use net-install because I don't want all that cruft.

PS: hunting down all swap partitions on very drive and setting them to 
Format by default is also a real pain in the tush.




I did some tests running tasksel again after the installation, and 
were intriguing, but I'll hold the deeper tests for after this is 
inspected.


Cheers,

Alex

Re: aboutdebian.com

[Peter Ehlert]

On 11/19/21 6:52 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 1:05 AM Nate Bargmann > wrote:


* On 2021 18 Nov 23:00 -0600, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> Does anyone remember the site existed in the past,
aboutdebian.com ?

I can't say that I do.


I do remember it and it was a good resource at one time. My 
recollection is that the relevant contents were moved to the Debian 
wiki. But I can't support that.

I also remember it as being a topic of conversation...


> I wonder if the contents are moved to somewhere else or they are not
> available at all?

It looks like the last time it was online with content was
approximately
29 Feb 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200229050405/http://www.aboutdebian.com/


something is odd, I see a post on the https://aboutdebian.com/ page 
dated 2021-10-10



I see that as of that date, the site had not been updated for Buster
which by that time had been released nearly half a year earlier.

After that the Web archive shows a blank page and captures from last
month show nothing Debian related.

- Nate

-- 
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
Web: https://www.n0nb.us 
Projects: https://github.com/N0NB 
GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819

Re: why Debian?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/2/21 3:56 AM, Piper H wrote:
For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal 
development  system?

Thanks.


pleas do some more research. it is Personal choice:

for a Stable and Secure, with no problems, everyday computer use, use Debian

for experimental plunking around you can use Ubuntu or something else.

===

Personally, I have several computers. on Most of them I use Debian
... especially on my Wife's computer, she has no tolerance for breakage.

I do like to explore options and what the others are doing, so on a 
couple I play.

those are sacrificial, if it breaks I just reinstall...



On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari > wrote:


Thanos Katsiolis mailto:kls.tha...@gmail.com>> writes:

> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable
and reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> include as many and as much quickly as possible new features),
and that it has a large and dependable community.

Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
any more.

A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran
the same
installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
barf when I change hardware.

For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
the desktop and the Debian on it.

Re: Debian 11.1 Firefox ESR 78.15.0esr add-on icons

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/4/21 7:47 PM, David Christensen wrote:

debian-user:

I installed debian-live-11.1.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso on a Dell 
Latitude E6520 today:


2021-12-04 19:28:18 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a ; dpkg-query -W firefox-esr
11.1
Linux laalaa 5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

firefox-esr    78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1


Firefox is not displaying icons for my add-ons in the toolbar -- HTTPS 
Everywhere, NoScript, and Privacy Badger.  I am unable to configure 
the extensions without their icons (?).




HTTPS Everywhere, NoScript, and Privacy Badger are new to me.

I just installed all of them with no error, three new icons as expected.

78.15.0esr (64-bit)
system installed with firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
Legacy mode
Mate desktop



Firefox on Debian 9 correctly displays icons for add-ons:

2021-12-04 19:32:16 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~
$ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a ; dpkg-query -W firefox-esr
9.13
Linux tinkywinky 4.9.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.272-2 (2021-07-19) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

firefox-esr    78.15.0esr-1~deb9u1


I tried customizing the toolbar, but the add-on icons are not available.


I tried deleting compatibility.ini, extension-preferences.json, and 
extensions.json as recommended by FredMcD, but the icons are still 
missing:


    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1311859


Suggestions?


sorry, no suggestions other than dump the live install and use Mate insterad


David

Re: Double boot (Windows & Debian) with UEFI mode

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/6/21 1:56 AM, fran...@libero.it wrote:


Hello,

unfortunately, nothing David suggested worked, so I finally set it on 
in the bios Legacy (via F12) and then reinstalled Debian.


Now if I turn on, Grub appears with Debian that starts (even if it 
takes a while to boot) and if I want to use Windows, at boot, I have 
to click F12 and select boot with UEFI and then Windows 10 starts.



that is exactly how I run windows. It works.


I tried to install os-prober on Debian, but it is already installed 
and doing update-grub, but Windows is not shown (Probably because it 
is inserted in the UEFI boot).


Is there any way to fix this mess?


not that I know of.

I just reset the BIOS when I want to boot windows. It's annoying but not 
a big deal.



Francesco

SID: update-grub ---Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.

[Peter Ehlert]

the full error message at the end of update-grub:

Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration.
Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry.

Question: why would this desirable?
it's totally new to me.

Back story:
I just upgraded a Bullseye install to Sid.
this is a multi-boot machine, my daily driver is Bullseye.
after reboot my GRUB had only one entry

I was able to get it back (thanks to Google)
edit /etc/default/grub
add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false

saved then ran grub-install /dev/sd(foo) && update-grub

Re: Mate desktop environment: anything akin to update-notifier

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/12/21 9:01 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Hi,

is there anything in Debian's flavour of the Mate DE which notifies
the user of pending APT updates?


I use package-update-indicator

I don't care for the default so I set the command for installing updates 
as synaptic-pkexec




I'm not looking for something doing the updates automatically (in the
kind of unattended-upgrades, for example). The user in question would
like to manually trigger the upgrades, to be aware of possible issues
after it.

not something I desire, so I never hunted for one


My search engine fu is failing me miserably here.

Thanks for any hints, cheers

Re: Bullseye default swap partition size?

[Peter Ehlert]

On January 9, 2022 10:02:21 AM Hans  wrote:


Am Sonntag, 9. Januar 2022, 18:45:22 CET schrieb Tixy:
However, I believe, hibernating will use the swap partition, so I think, it
might be a good idea, to create a swap partition twice as big as the memory,
if you want to use it.


Double the 64 GB Ram?
I'm a pig, but I seldom see more than 6 GB in use, my swaps are usually 
about 8.



But we run 24/7 and never hibernate... Old habits are hard to break



Of course you can use any other partition for hibernating, but for myself I
used an encrypted swap partition for hibernation in earlier times.

A bigger swap partition will not harm your system, as modern harddrives are
much, much bigger than memory (normally!), most systems are using 16GB or
32GB, not many 64GB (and some 128GB and more) as RAM, but compared to 1TB ,
16GB or even 32GB is rather small.

Maybe some people like me (I personally am using old stuff with debian) are
just using 250GB harddrives, but we are only some dinosaurs to be left.

Normally are 500GB ore higher capacities, so a swap drive does not harm.

Just my opinion

Best

Hans


On Sun, 2022-01-09 at 18:19 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

On 1/8/22 19:38, Tixy wrote:

On Sat, 2022-01-08 at 19:18 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
[1] If I remember correct, you couldn't actually disable swap, just set
it's size to the minimum of 4MB.


it's possible not to use swap. Debian installer (in expert mode) shows a
warning if the user doesn't create swap partition.


Thanks, that's what I do. (My comment about 4MB minimum was with regard
to Windows 2000 ;-)

Re: Bullseye default swap partition size?

[Peter Ehlert]

On January 9, 2022 3:24:18 PM Charles Curley 
 wrote:



On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 22:27:20 +0100
Marco Möller  wrote:


It might be difficult to start without a swap partition, but then
realize over time that you need it and getting headaches from where
to free space for it.

Gparted, do a little file management. We all have wasted space somewhere.


You can always add a swap file later on. Linux will work with both a
swap partition and a swap file.

True that.
Later you can Create a swap partition, then edit your fstab to mount on 
boot. Kinda simple.




--
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

[Peter Ehlert]

it's Historical
I'm old, I was there
I'm old, so I don't remember the details


On 3/14/21 3:49 AM, Susmita/Rajib wrote:

While Intel PCs are also 64bit processors?

For instance, my current laptop is Lenovo IdeaPad 320-15ISK 80XH01FKIN
15.6-inch Laptop (6th Gen Core i3-6006U/4GB/2TB/Integrated Graphics),
a 64bit processor.

It can't be that intellectuals, technocrats and cognitive elites
involved in the development of this complete OS+packages could be
misplaced in their perceptions. This is impossible.

So why such naming?


AMD was the first on the market with 64bit hardware. (I was an early 
adopter)
Packages and Kernels were named "amd64" to indicate they were compatible 
vs the 32bit versions


*it's not a good thing to change names... a gazillion things would be 
affected.




Could I be educated in this regard please?

Re: graphic tablet

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/17/21 3:04 AM, Kamil Jońca wrote:

Does somebody can recomend graphical tablet to use with debian (I mean device
to drawing conenected by usb/bluetooth)


Maybe this will help:

https://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2021/01/remote-whiteboard.html


I thought about HUION 1060p, but there are different opinions (for
example
https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/eqricq/huion_1060p_drivers_linux/)
and I am feel little lost.
Maybe different model?

KJ

Re: MATE desktop - changing icon of a Launcher

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/23/21 7:26 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've been use MATE almost since it came out.
IIRC I used to use a series of mouse clicks to determine the file name 
{including path} of the current icon.


On my current systems {one Stretch, one Buster} if I:
1. right click on the Launcher
2. select properties
3. left click on the current icon

I get a "Select Custom Icon" menu. In it I can select a directory to 
search and it will display a list of available icons in that directory.


But I need to know the complete path to the current icon.


one more step, you are really close.

right click on the file, select "copy location"
the full path and file name is now on your clipboard.
paste = /usr/share/pixmaps/luckybackup.png

does that help?

I can get the desired information by opening the launcher with a text 
editor. {I want a "mouse click" method to obtain the information as 
I'm setting up a system for a very novice user.}


Suggestions?
TIA

Re: Running debian on WSL (windows-system-for-linux)

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/25/21 8:23 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
(windows-system-for-linux) machine?

I don't, sorry.


I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
also use it myself.

But I do have experience with using Debian for "the family computer".


same here. My wife went to Debian Mate on he laptop about 5 years ago. I 
set it up "user friendly" for her to readily access and use the things 
she wants to do. With a few minor tweaks now and again she is happy.


Me too, I no longer have to figure out how to constantly fix Windows.


So maybe you can just ditch the Windows part,


 Stefan

Re: MATE desktop - changing icon of a Launcher

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/26/21 3:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/25/2021 08:06 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 3/23/21 7:26 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've been use MATE almost since it came out.
IIRC I used to use a series of mouse clicks to determine the file 
name {including path} of the current icon.


On my current systems {one Stretch, one Buster} if I:
1. right click on the Launcher
2. select properties
3. left click on the current icon

I get a "Select Custom Icon" menu. In it I can select a directory to 
search and it will display a list of available icons in that directory.


But I need to know the complete path to the current icon.


one more step, you are really close.

right click on the file, select "copy location"
the full path and file name is now on your clipboard.
paste = /usr/share/pixmaps/luckybackup.png

does that help?


No ;{
That works if and only if the launcher is on the panel.
It does not work for launchers on the desktop.
This can be demonstrated by:
 1. Right clicking on any application under Applications->Accessories
 2.a. Chose "Add this launcher to panel"
   b. Chose "Add this launcher to desktop"
 3. Observe that following your procedure reacts differently
    depending on the location of the launcher ;/

OK, I see your point. I don't often put launchers on the desktop so I 
forgot that.


I find that if I drag the desktop launcher to the panel it works as I 
described as above.

once you have the data desired you can remove it from the panel
(the original desktop launcher was not effected)

yes, this is getting complicated ... less steps would be nice





I can get the desired information by opening the launcher with a 
text editor. {I want a "mouse click" method to obtain the 
information as I'm setting up a system for a very novice user.}


Suggestions?
TIA

Re: Request: A Debian public Wiki repository/bank for complex code lines with examples, scripts, self-explanatory with terminal, otherwise Minimal explanatory texts

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/3/21 8:26 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 02, 2021 01:11:01 AM Susmita/Rajib wrote:

Thank you, Dr./Mr. Kramer, for taking time to post your kind inputs.
To me, the best possible option would be an organisationally hosted
wiki site with strict posting guidelines, and pages as described.

Just a followup:

I wasn't aware (until very recently when I saw it mentioned by somebody else
in this thread, iirc) that there is a Debian wiki.

I've done a verly little investigation into that, but could share more of that
information if you'd like.  Some tidbits:

* the wiki is at https://wiki.debian.org/

* there is a sandbox at https://wiki.debian.org/WikiSandBox -- it is not
quite what I am used to as a sandbox as it recommends against creating new
pages (other than ones that would include new content)

* you can see a list of (some of?) the exising pages at
https://wiki.debian.org/Wiki

* I get the idea that, at least to a certain extent, some of the people
contributing to it want to organize things (at a high level) based on Debian
distribution, e.g., Jessie, Stretch, Buster

I would like to see the content well organized an focused as well -- I can
envisage the need to label the content of pages with notes (metadata?) that
indicate which Debian distribution the note(s) apply to, maybe which
distribution it became effective with, as well as which distribution it became
obsolete with (all of which on an "if known" basis.  I can also see the need
for some similar metadata that is "orthogonal" to that -- for example, things
like which desktop they apply to (KDE, GNOME, ...) or whether it applies to X
windows or Wayland, but then that information also needs to designate which
Debian distributions it applies to.




Yes, it needs some expert help.
I use the Wiki frequently. I don't have much luck searching from within but
with Google it's pretty good.
Example: search "Debian Wiki fstab"
That I am sure will get some good info, Debian specific

Re: ubuntu/snap future

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/5/21 4:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:39 AM George Shuklin 
mailto:george.shuk...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
'vendor friendly packaging'


There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs.  They just don't want to 
maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget" 
solution.  I can't see this as anything but a bad thing, something the 
world can live without.


+1

Re: Access to PPA's

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/7/21 2:06 PM, Gary L. Roach wrote:

Hi all,

Some of my most useful software is only available through Ubuntu PPA's 
. I can no longer access PPA's since Debian changed their security 
policies. When trying to access a PPA I get the following:


 The repository 
'http://ppa.launchpad.net/elmer-csc-ubuntu/elmer-csc-ppa/ubuntu 
hirsute Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is 
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user 
configuration details.



The man page alludes to a couple of different ways to bypass the 
system but really sketchy about how to apply them. There is at least a 
half dozen files that could be involved. Further, there is a note that 
basically says that all of the methods will be discontinued in the 
future.  This would essentially  preclude the use of Ubuntu PPA's. The 
example given is for an elmer-csc package which is one of the most 
powerful opensource MultiPhysics analysis packages available.


Could someone show me how to bypass this security lock.

I have never tried this:
https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA

in theory it is possible

as others have said it might be better to use Ubuntu
I usually have other systems on separate partitions/drives for those odd 
tasks





Gary R.

bullseye fslint

[Peter Ehlert]

fslint is gone. what alternatives are there?
I want a GUI in the debian repos

Re: bullseye fslint

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/23/21 4:50 AM, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2021-04-23 at 07:29, Peter Ehlert wrote:


fslint is gone. what alternatives are there?

I've never used such a tool myself, but a quick "apt-cache search lint |
grep -i 'fs|filesystem'" finds rmlint, which looks like it might do the
job...


I want a GUI in the debian repos

...and Recommends: rmlint-gui, so while I can't speak to its quality,
apparently that exists as well.

thanks.

the GUI launcher in Mate  applications > system tools > Shredder 
Duplicate Finder


the GUI is way different that fslint but perhaps it will function as desired


(At a glance, just from the 'apt-cache show fslint' output, I'd guess
that the reason fslint is gone is that it's Python-2-only and Python 2
is going away in bullseye.)

Re: Upgrading to Bullseye?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/27/21 5:45 AM, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:

Hello list

can somebody help with the correct sources.lst Bullseye please?



that's kinda complicated, as the others have already said

1. I suggest you review this, lots of info 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting


2. probably a fresh install, using the new RC1 ISO would be cleaner... 
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/


3. best yet, wait a few weeks. They are almost done repackaging it. It 
will be Stable real soon

Re: firefox file list

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/28/21 5:33 AM, fxkl47BF wrote:

i'm using debian 10.9 and firefox 88.0.1
how do i get firefox to show dot files in file listings

use the check box at the top right of the file window "show hidden objects"

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/22/21 9:17 AM, Richmond wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have vision problems.
I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
The program I'm running gives out colored text.
The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
Help please.



On the menu bar of mate-terminal, select Edit -> Profile Preferences ->
Colours

Uncheck the box that says 'Use colours from system theme'. Select Built
In Scheme Black on White from the drop down list.


The controls are there, but not _all_ of the Text is black.

I tested in Bullseye and Buster.

Richard Owlett perhaps you should file a bug report

Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/26/21 1:30 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
icon is placed?

to my knowledge no.

there is the "organize by name" function and the "keep aligned" toggle.
yes, it would be handy to have new icons fall in a more predictable 
location.


Just curious ;/
TIA

Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/26/21 2:07 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

On 27/6/21 4:30 am, Richard Owlett wrote:

Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
icon is placed?


Just curious ;/
TIA



But, with MATE, whilst a Debian-mate mailing lists exists, to which 
reference was made, in response to a previous thread involving a query 
about MATE running on Debian, the Debian-mate list appears to have 
posts relating to only bug reports, and, announcements or security 
announcements.



true, not as I would expect.


The question then arises - would it be worthwhile, to start a users 
mailing list, for MATE desktop interface (and applications that are 
part of the MATE environment), to deal with MATE users across 
different platforms?



yes, a Debian mate user list would be quite welcome



So, I wonder about the worthwhileness (?) of setting up a new MATE 
users mailing list.
I do see questions here about other platforms, and Mate, but they kinda 
get lost.


one needs watch daily, or more often.

UbuntuMATE is quite different, they don't use the full suite of Mate 
apps, using odd (to me) substitute...and continues to go their own way.


Most of the Ubuntu derivatives do the same, often loosing functions and 
features in the process.


a more central location for Mate specific Q&A would be welcome

Re: Resolved: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/27/21 3:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 06/26/2021 03:30 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
icon is placed?


Just curious ;/
TIA


I received an off-list reply saying, in part:


"Organise desktop by name" from the desktop (right click) menu results
in a broadly rectangular formation of icons, but doesn't seem to impose
alphabetical order as might be expected, nor indeed any afaics, at least
in Buster.  You may know this already, and the "keep aligned" option
(to keep new icons in the pattern or some future point of it), though 
the
space between the desktop left edge and the top and left of the first 
icon

row is unequal.


That solved my problem.


Interesting.  I just tried that, first the "keep aligned" toggle and 
then the "organize by name" function.
at first it seemed OK, a widely spaced grid and first folders (and 
shortcuts to folders) alphabetically, then files alphabetically.
then I deleted a few and created some new ones. The results were not as 
expected...


"keep aligned" needs to be run again if you want that pattern. I do not.

yes, it would be handy to have new icons fall in a logical and 
predictable location.


* perhaps a feature request upstream is in order.

Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett  wrote:

One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].


Install only the standard system utilities with the installer,
and then once you have a core system up and running install

  mate-desktop-environment-core

which is purported to be the minimal set of packages for Mate.


good thought,

I tried that just now but something is still missing.
nada, no desktop, only the command line and "startx not found"

Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Peter Ehlert]

On 6/27/21 7:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 07:31:57AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett  wrote:

One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].


Install only the standard system utilities with the installer,
and then once you have a core system up and running install

   mate-desktop-environment-core

which is purported to be the minimal set of packages for Mate.

good thought,

I tried that just now but something is still missing.
nada, no desktop, only the command line and "startx not found"

You also need to install "xorg", which will bring in the X server and
various utilities to make it run, including startx (which is in the
xinit package, which is a direct dependency of xorg).

Thanks, that works
I do still need to run startx but that's not a problem


X clients like MATE don't directly depend on an X server, because in
theory, the X server could be on a different machine.

Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems

[Peter Ehlert]

Have you investigated the possibility of Dual Booting?
it's a bit complicated, but it works.
Separate Disk Dive is best

On 6/29/21 6:28 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war.

I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 
10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very 
important application for my Computational Chemistry research program 
that has never been ported to Linux.


After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin 
with) I succeeded.


However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I’m using the 
xfe4 desktop.


The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; 
Restart and Shutdown are grayed out.


On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in 
the pulldown manual  does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce 
Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional.


I hope to receive advise from this list. I shudder to think of having 
to query MS, even if I got an answer it would be very murky and 
impossible to implement.


Thanks in advance.

Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.

(614)312-7528

Skype: smolnar1

Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/12/21 7:39 AM, Kevin N. wrote:

Right, and I myself have lodged a ticket to ban bar after foo because it
might lead to blithe attitudes concerning alcohol in our vulnerable
youth.


Don't get me wrong: like many other things, offensive languages is a 
serious one.
But, instead of helping, I think that you are in fact minimizing its 
gravity with such exaggerated actions.


I for one, have never in my life thought of alcohol when I saw a 
variable named "foobar". That is ... until I saw your post today :) .


What's next? Should we also file a ticket to ban "chocolate bar".
Or maybe we should ban mathematics completely from computing, since 
the "bar" symbol is a frequently used one there?


https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Bar.html
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Macron.html

I see the number 80085 has been removed from Maths. It's about time!



Give today's youth a bit of credit. You might discover that they are 
smarter than you think.



I still hope that you were joking though :)


Cheers,

K.

Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real hardware

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/24/21 2:54 PM, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

On 7/24/21 11:14 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:

Hello!

Let's help developers to test upcoming Debian version 11 by filling out
the community-driven list of tested hardware configurations:
https://github.com/linuxhw/TestCoverage/tree/master/Dist/Debian_11

  
The development team only has a limited set of hardware for tests, but

I'm sure we can find almost any configuration in the community. Anyone
can easily add their computers / laptops or servers info to the list
using the package https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/hw-probe
.
  
You can download Debian 11 release candidate on the page

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
.
  

Does submitting report for 4+ years old hardware make sense?


Yes.

many of us use older hardware.

personally I had some trouble with my primary laptop, and I did report it
subject: installation-reports
sub...@bugs.debian.org

the more info the better



Kind regards
Georgi

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:



hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

  Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?

short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also 
be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the 
installed system).


long answer: 
https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots




thank you

Re: Types of Debian updates

[Peter Ehlert]

Welcome.
I suggest you spend some time becoming familiar with Debian.
the Debian Wiki should be your primary resource.

with your favorite search tool search "debian wiki _ " for each of 
the questions you listed.

read each page carefully and follow the links.

LMDE is Not Debian. Linux Mint does things very differently and they use 
"common" terms in an odd manner.


On 7/27/21 7:49 AM, Gunnar Gervin wrote:

Please tell & explain which update types there are like
Point release
Release
Update
New distro release etc/similar.
Geg

Re: ISO to external SSD

[Peter Ehlert]

On August 3, 2021 8:17:58 AM Stefan Monnier  wrote:


Second, the price of spinning disks is such that it makes no
sense to buy anything smaller than 4TB, which will fit all this,
and 6-8 TB are often a reasonable idea even for single users.


You seem to assume a 3½" form factor which either requires a "large"
desktop or an external enclosure.

Not really. My HP z620 work station ain't huge.

Personally I consider this form factor dead every since I bought my
first 2TB 2½" disk.
If you use Lots of drives (4tb), and are on a limited budget, like me... 
The 3.5 form factor is more cost effective.

[ For reference, the last 3½" disk I bought was a 1TB WD Green, which
 I fitted into my ASUS WL-700gE.  ]


   Stefan

Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/10/21 7:14 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

Hi.

We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.

Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
at my preferred vendor (LDLC).

As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing
and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken?

The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and
Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre
software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools.
I have been using a Brother MFC-J6710DW for quite some time...it seems 
to be well supported using the Brother website

I do not know if it is truly Libre

it is defiantly time to replace it, I will investigate the HP OfficeJet 8012

I want to buy
according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough
to warrant considering it?

Is there any other remark you may want to do about it?

(If your remark is along the lines: "not inkjet, laser" or "not
all-in-one, separate devices", save your time, I have already heard the
arguments and I know the constraints I am working with.)

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/11/21 5:02 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:



On 11/08/2021 12:25, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 11 August 2021 04:02:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
wrote:



Debian is about choice Polyna. That is mine. Quit monopolizing the
conversation unless you are helping the user SOLVE his/her problem.


+1


+1

folder compression issue

[Peter Ehlert]

I am using Debian Mate with the GUI.

in Caja file manager, right click on the desired folder.
"Compress" is displayed on a list of options.
default is .tar.gz format

this works fine, I do it regularly ... mostly big folders, ~11.4 GB and 
~2,400 items.


now I am following the same method with a 389.3 MB folder, and 305 items.
at about 2/3 thru the process I get a popup "An error occurred while 
adding files to the archive."


there is tons of disk space, huge RAM, and my 10 GB Swap partition is 
nearly empty.


I have copied that same folder to various locations, tried it with 
Stable and SID and even Linux Mint. Same problem. It seems to be unique 
to this folder, or something in it.


Ideas?

should I file a bug report?

IGNORE Re: folder compression issue

[Peter Ehlert]

Thanks for the ideas. I got anxious, compressed the Folders 
individually, then the files into a separate Zip.


I deleted the problem folder... not elegant, not solved.

On 2/1/22 09:20, Bijan Soleymani wrote:

On 2022-02-01 12:17, Bijan Soleymani wrote:

find | xargs stat


Oops that might not work if there are spaces in the 
filenames/directories.


You can do:
find -print0 | xargs -0 stat

In that case.

Bijan

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/4/22 02:58, Christian Britz wrote:


On 2022-03-04 11:47 UTC+0100, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram
only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't
be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). Never mind
put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.

As far as I know this depends on the design / architecture of the
chipset / motherboard.


At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot of
Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my
LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are Chromium
and Firefox, the rest is ok.

You should run Debian stable for daily use. If performance is your main
concern, try one of the light desktop environments (Xfce, LXDE,
LXQT...).


I keep hearing about Xfce being "light"

it defiantly is, but I decided to compare it to my personal favorite Mate

Two fresh netinstalls, same machine, same SSD drive. Xfce and Mate desktops

xfce:  774 MIB ram used .. 4 GIB / space used
mate:  719 MIB ram used .. 6 GIB / space used
mate*:  722 MIB ram used .. 6 GIB / space used

*Mate with the mate-desktop-environment-extras metapackage

I did not stress test either but the apparent speed was the same


I like the simplicity of LXQT, although I have recently fallen
in love with Cutefish (not yet in Debian).

Regards,
Christian

Re: update, reboot required?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/19/22 06:32, piorunz wrote:

On 19/03/2022 10:02, songbird wrote:


   there is also package debian-goodies which has the
command checkrestart.  i'm not sure which is better.


   songbird


All I know is that needrestart works for me, it correctly prompts for
computer reboot after kernel upgrade; and offers to restart various
services if reboot is not required.


thanks.

I now have both needrestart and needrestart-session installed.

Question: do either run in the background?



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Re: No dbg packages for Plasma?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/6/22 06:20, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:
I just noticed that there seem to be absolutely no debug packages for 
plasma-desktop or for plasma frameworks. The only thing I can find 
online is this plasma-desktop-dbgsym package[1], which is only 
available for Sid.
I believe the Debian Developer that did all of the heavy lifting for KDE 
was demoted and has not replaced.


Why? Is this a bug?

Thank you in advance.

P.S.: I'm not subscribed to the list, please respond to me or add me 
to cc when replying.

Re: no update possible

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/3/22 06:29, Schwibinger Michael wrote:

Good afternoon

Thank You

Terminal
and root terminal do say

command not found.


please post Exactly what the command is that you entered


and Exactly what the error message is


*copy and paste please



What do I do wrong?

Regards
Sophie



*Von:* to...@tuxteam.de
*Gesendet:* Sonntag, 01. Mai 2022 13:33
*Bis:* Schwibinger Michael
*Cc:* debian-user@lists.debian.org
*Betreff:* Re: Firmware III grub

On Sun, May 01, 2022 at 11:49:30AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>
> Good afternoon
> Thank You
>
> I did start the root terminal.
>
> LXDE has a root terminal.

I see. You can also do it from a normal terminal
by typing "sudo" before the command. You are then
asked for your password, then the command is executed
as root. In your case:

  sudo update-grub
  [asks for password]

But root terminal is fine too.

Cheers
--
t

Re: Debian desktop environment

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/24/22 04:53, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 24/5/22 7:27 pm, Antonino Saetta wrote:


Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?



I use Mate.  It's closest to the old gnome so no fancy crap


I am with you on that.


BTW: the mate-desktop-environment-extras is a Great enhancement
MATE Desktop Environment (extra components, metapackage)


Jeremy

Re: Debian desktop environment

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/24/22 05:20, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote:

So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop
environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?

uncheck that box, select any other Desktop you want, or None.

by trial and error I believe it is actually Gnome, the new super 
dumbed-down version.


I much prefer Mate



I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...

*sigh* It's complicated.

See, there's more than one Debian installer program, and there's more
than one IMAGE which uses the Debian installer as its core.

The "Debian desktop environment" setting is designed to choose whichever
desktop the DESIGNER OF YOUR INSTALLATION IMAGE decided should be the
default.

If you're using the official Debian netinst or DVD-1 installer image,
the default choice is GNOME.

If you're using a Debian "Live" image, the default choice is potentially
something other than GNOME.  It'll usually say in the image's filename.

If you're using something other than pure Debian, the default could be
anything at all.


Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?

I really liked tomas's answer to this.  The way you're asking this
question means you've already fallen into the trap of thinking that
it's normal and expected to install a full-blown Desktop Environment
and that you're supposed to choose one of them.

A lot of us (myself included) don't use ANY of those.  We just use a
traditional window manager, of which there are a few dozen.

If you UNSELECT all of the desktop options (including the stupid
"Debian desktop environment" choice that picks one for you)

I agree, the Stupid default is super annoying.

I believe that the "Debian desktop environment"is actually Gnome 
(Gnome3) and it really sucks.

===

BTW: The Debian Installer is the best I have ever found, with only Two 
exceptions... That default crap selection, and auto selecting all swap 
partitions on the entire system for Formatting.


end of rant



, you get
an installation which has only the Standard packages, and no graphical
environment yet.

At that point, if you know which window manager you want to use, you
can do this:

1) Check for missing firmware and video drivers.  You're already booting
to a text console, so you've bypassed the "I can't boot because
the Display Manager locks up because of missing firmware" trap.
Now you get to resolve that peacefully, without a DM trying to take
over the display at boot time.

2) sudo apt-get install xorg your-favorite-wm your-favorite-terminal 

3) startx

If startx works, then you can continue booting to a text console and using
startx to launch the GUI each time.  Or you can select a Display Manager
package and install that, if you want a GUI login.  It's up to you.

Or, of course, you're free to use a Desktop Environment if that's what
you prefer.  That's the thing about Debian: it lets you choose.

Hibernate filled my /root

[Peter Ehlert]

/root partition was 40 GB, about 15 GB was free
/swap 20 GB, unused

hibernate

restart failed

Using Gparted I found /root was full
resized /root to 50 GB
boots properly now

/var/log now contains 29.3 GB
/var/log/syslog 10.0 GB
/var/log/kern.log 10.0 GB
/var/log/syslog.1 4.1 GB
/var/log/kern.log.1 4.0 GB

   I have no clue why this happened
   how do I clean this up and prevent it from happening again?

   PS: I rarely use Hibernate ... can't remember when I used it last, 
if ever

Re: Hibernate filled my /root

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/26/22 08:15, IL Ka wrote:

30 GB of logs, wow. Do you use logrotate?

No, not that I am aware of.

I do find that the package logrotate is installed, but I did not install 
it "on purpose"


reading the Debian Wiki I find info on how to configure, but I did not 
intentionally touch it.




On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 6:14 PM Peter Ehlert  wrote:

/root partition was 40 GB, about 15 GB was free
/swap 20 GB, unused

hibernate

restart failed

Using Gparted I found /root was full
resized /root to 50 GB
boots properly now

/var/log now contains 29.3 GB
/var/log/syslog 10.0 GB
/var/log/kern.log 10.0 GB
/var/log/syslog.1 4.1 GB
/var/log/kern.log.1 4.0 GB

    I have no clue why this happened
    how do I clean this up and prevent it from happening again?

    PS: I rarely use Hibernate ... can't remember when I used it
last,
if ever

Re: Hibernate filled my /root

[Peter Ehlert]

On 5/26/22 09:00, Reco wrote:

Hi.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 08:13:39AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:

/var/log now contains 29.3 GB
/var/log/syslog 10.0 GB
/var/log/kern.log 10.0 GB
/var/log/syslog.1 4.1 GB
/var/log/kern.log.1 4.0 GB

That's impressive, to say the least.


    I have no clue why this happened

The usual thing. Judging from the size of the kern.log, some kernel
subsystem decided to generate a lot of messages, systemd-journald
happily forwarded them to rsyslogd, and the latter wrote them.


    how do I clean this up and prevent it from happening again?

1) Read the logs, understand what kind of messages are most frequent.
2) Purge the logs, i.e.

:> /var/log/syslog
:> /var/log/kern.log

3) Write appropriate rsyslogd filter rule, restart rsyslog afterwards
For instance:

:msg, contains, "eth0: renamed from " stop

I appreciate the response and advice.
this is a little (lot) over my head.

for the time being I think I will be lazy and just Not use hibernate in 
the future.

thanks


Note that you cannot filter messages at systemd-journald level, that
sorry excuse for a "system journal" lack that capability.

Reco

multiple network interfaces...and a ghost

[Peter Ehlert]

after a system update and a new kernel I rebooted.

all seemed fine but the network would not connect...
Debian Mate, network install, it just works and I never have messed with 
the settings.

not a clue what was going on.

long story short, messing around a live USB did log in fine.

I decided to try a fresh netinstall alongside and Boom:

===
multiple network interfaces

eno1: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I218-LM
enp5s0: Intel Corporation 1210 Gigabit Network Connection
enx00e04c534458: Unknown Interface
===

the first two are old hat, I use eno1 and it just works.

bottom line I opened the Network Connections tool, found those three, 
none were selected.

I selected eno1 and all is good.

what about this mystery "Unknown"?
do I have a pending hardware failure?

Re: multiple network interfaces...and a ghost

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/11/22 21:35, Tixy wrote:

On Mon, 2022-07-11 at 19:51 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
[...]

I decided to try a fresh netinstall alongside and Boom:

===
multiple network interfaces

eno1: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I218-LM
enp5s0: Intel Corporation 1210 Gigabit Network Connection
enx00e04c534458: Unknown Interface
===


[...]

what about this mystery "Unknown"?
do I have a pending hardware failure?

Looking up the MAC address in the name of that last interface the name
says it's from Realtek Semiconductor Corp so it seems unrelated to the
other Intel devices. Try looking at the output of 'dmesg' and look for
'Realtek' in the kernal log for a clue.

dmesg gave me 1662 lines.

I only found these with realtek:

[   16.982860] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: autoconfig for ALC221: 
line_outs=1 (0x14/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) type:line
[   16.982862] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: speaker_outs=1 
(0x17/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)
[   16.982863] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:    hp_outs=1 
(0x21/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)

[   16.982864] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:    mono: mono_out=0x0
[   16.982865] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:    inputs:
[   16.982867] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:  Front Mic=0x1a
[   16.982868] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:  Front Mic=0x18
[   16.982869] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:  Line=0x1b




Do you have any other network devices plugged in, perhaps in USB port?
Possibly a wifi dongle.

yes, I have several, 2 UPS devices, KVM, printer, etc.

perhaps my new UPS is the culprit.

process of elimination might tell the tale


Also, a long shot, something could be
automagically configuring something like a phone or bluetooth device
for network use.

Re: Screenshot with Gnome

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/26/22 04:40, Richmond wrote:

I am trying to take a screenshot of a selected area. The Wiki here:

https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots

I find it curious that only Gnome, Xfce, and KDE are listed on that page...
someone should step up and flesh it out for the other common desktops, 
Please!


says I can use "take screenshot" from the menu. On my menu I have
"screenshot" but it doesn't work (although I think it used to) it just
displays a tiny box which I cannot make larger.

Assuming the command line is:

gnome-screenshot -a -d 20

I tried this but the mouse pointer immediately changes to a cross and I
cannot change tasks, so all I can do is photo the terminal window.

I think something is broken. Maybe there is another utility?


I use the Mate desktop. "mate-screenshot" works great for me.
However I am surprised that it appears to only be bundled in the 
mate-utils-common and mate-utils packages.

perhaps you might like the other utilities that are included.

Re: No updates in Debian 10 for last 5 days

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/5/20 10:48 AM, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm not having any updates for my Debian Buster for last 5 days. Looks
suspicious to me... Anybody has same experience?

similar:
Commit Log for Tue Sep 29 13:04:22 2020

Upgraded the following packages:

firefox-esr (68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1) to 78.3.0esr-1~deb10u1





Thanks

KopiaUI

[Peter Ehlert]

I am a long time user of LuckyBackup, and am very satisfied.

experimenting with Clear Linux OS system, I have been looking for a 
backup solution LuckyBackup is not readily available.
reading the Kopia webpage and YouTube tutorial the KopiaUI app seems to 
be worthwhile.

I am now making a massive backup on Clear OS, and it occurs to me that

Issue: KopiaUI is not in the Debian Stable repos.

Q: is there a reason to avoid it?

KopiaUI backups

[Peter Ehlert]

I am a long time user of LuckyBackup, and am very satisfied.

experimenting with Clear Linux OS system, I have been looking for a 
backup solution LuckyBackup is not readily available.
Clear OS provides KopiaUI ...reading the Kopia webpage and YouTube 
tutorial the KopiaUI app seems to be worthwhile.
I am now making a massive backup on Clear OS, and it occurs to me that 
KopiaUI would be good for using in Debian also.


Issue: KopiaUI is not in the Debian Stable repos.

Q: is there a reason to avoid KopiaUI?

Re: KopiaUI

[Peter Ehlert]

after using Kopia on ClearOS a bit more I experienced numerous problems 
and have abandoned it.

thanks for the input.

On 10/8/20 12:03 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I am a long time user of LuckyBackup, and am very satisfied.

experimenting with Clear Linux OS system, I have been looking for a 
backup solution LuckyBackup is not readily available.
reading the Kopia webpage and YouTube tutorial the KopiaUI app seems 
to be worthwhile.

I am now making a massive backup on Clear OS, and it occurs to me that

Issue: KopiaUI is not in the Debian Stable repos.

Q: is there a reason to avoid it?

Re: SSD and HDD

[Peter Ehlert]

I don't use the automatic install, I don't like what it chooses. I use 
the manual method to set things up exactly as desired.


to answer your question you can install on any available drive, SSD or 
HDD... use or create some or all of your partitions wherever you like.
your new fstab will point to the correct locations without your 
intervention.


as far as SSD life, I am no expert but I do a lot of installs. I use SSD 
for everything that I want to run faster. Sometimes I move the 
partitions to a different drive because of Sace or preference.


In my experience the the SSD failure rate is the same or less than the 
HHD drives.


Back in the day SSDs were primitive and Expensive. I believe those 
gyrations are no longer necessary.


On 10/11/20 9:45 AM, mick crane wrote:
Bearing in mind I rarely do installs and when I do usually let the 
installer do its thing.
Got a PC that has SSD and a HDD. I see that you are supposed to avoid 
writes to SSD for longevity.
Is it a matter of putting entries in fstab for /swap /var /home to 
suitably formatted partitions on HDD ?

Or is there more to  it ?

mick

Re: Please be respectful

[Peter Ehlert]

ditto

On 10/15/20 6:58 AM, gru...@mailfence.com wrote:

Reading this thread reinforces just how old I am
The whole world seems to be wearing their feelings on the sleeve


On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, Jonathan Dowland wrote:


Weaver,

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 02:12:45AM -0700, Weaver wrote:

Being polite is a standard that has to apply to all.


And indeed it does. Even if the OP was not being polite, you are not 
suddenly given a free pass to write a rude reply. I was really 
disappointed to see your reply because, as Kaye points out, that kind 
of attitude reflects poorly on all of us. Please, if you haven't 
something constructive to offer, just don't post at all.



I consider the original post not to be.


Hopefully it's now clear to you that you are mistaken since the OP's 
requirement is shared by several others.


Kaye,

I use Nemo and at least out-of-the-box, it does not do what you want.
From what I recall GNOME's Nautilus file manager might do. However, at 
least by default, Nautilus performs a recursive search for all paths 
that match under the current directory when you start typing to 
search.  For me, this is a blocker to using Nautilus (I could not 
risk, say, confidential HR documents flashing up when a colleague was 
in front of my screen. Although that's not going to happen any time 
soon)


The feature you want is sometimes described as "fuzzy searching". The 
command-line tool "fzf" does it, although it's a grep-like tool, not 
a file manager. There are plugins for Vim to do the same thing too 
(likewise, not a file manager). But perhaps looking for fuzzy 
searching as a feature will help.



Best wishes

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Please don't CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

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https://jmtd.net

Re: Zoom.

[Peter Ehlert]

I have zoom on a couple Debian 10 machines. Both are Mate desktop
Both work as expected.

this one opens the zoom window using $ zoom in a terminal
and by using the Mate launcher (/usr/bin/zoom %U)


On 10/17/20 1:23 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:

Does anyone have Zoom working in Debian 10?

Here it produces empty windows.  Visible toward the right in this
screenshot.  http://easthope.ca/Zoom.png

This is the entire output after starting in a terminal and then
exiting.

peter@joule:~$ zoom
peter@joule:~$

Thx,   ... P.

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Peter Ehlert]

I believe the "request" for a DVD is outdated.
Try inserting your USB device and proceed as normal

*perhaps it should say "insert the install media" or something similar

On 11/20/20 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.

I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Peter Ehlert]

On 11/20/20 7:35 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/20/2020 07:52 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I believe the "request" for a DVD is outdated.
Try inserting your USB device and proceed as normal


I did a completely fresh install to the test machine - including a 
full install of the MATE desktop.


I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
The message received was:

"Please insert the disk labeled:
Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD
Binary-120190706-10:24
in drive /media/cdrom/"

What is the solution?

I also use Mate, but usually do net-installs.
I don't have a system installed with the DVD1 ISO handy.
Normally the final steps of the installer deactivates the install media 
in the /etc/apt/sources.list file.

Have a look there... or copy the contents here for review.





*perhaps it should say "insert the install media" or something similar

On 11/20/20 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash 
drive.


I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

caja-admin not working in Bullseye Mate

[Peter Ehlert]

caja-admin not working in Bullseye Mate

Re: caja-admin not working in Bullseye Mate

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/8/20 1:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Lu, 07 dec 20, 09:58:26, Peter Ehlert wrote:

caja-admin not working in Bullseye Mate
  
There are many ways in which some software is "not working".


Pardon me.

caja-admin adds some administrative actions to the right-click menu:
Open as Administrator: opens a folder in a new Caja window running with 
administrator (root) privileges.
Edit as Administrator: opens a file in a Pluma window running with 
administrator (root) privileges.
Run as Administrator: runs an executable file with administrator (root) 
privileges inside a MATE Terminal.


The menus do not have those entries to select.

It works as expected with Debian Mate Buster

https://github.com/infirit/caja-admin/blob/master/README.md

**


If you expect this to be solved somehow you must provide more details,
like describing (step by step) what you are doing and what is (not)
happening.

It is generally also useful to (try to) start it from a terminal
emulator, in case it provides some useful error message there.

Kind regards,
Andrei

Re: Debian 10 64bit

[Peter Ehlert]

I can not begin to explain sudo, I don't use it, but many do.
It's complicated, start reading here: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo/

On 12/14/20 4:45 PM, Jerry Mellon wrote:

I finally got around to installing debian 10 on my 64bit system(thus
removing the i386version I had originally instaled). The install went
well and I asked for a seperate Home particion. When I booted the system
and try to do "apt-get update and apt-get upgrade" using "sudo" it would
not let me do that. Said I was not a sudo user. I then tried "su root"
which failed as well as it said I was not a sudo user. I went to the
sudouse file and changed it to make me a user. Sudo as myself worked
fine but su root still did not work.

After seeing the email concering problems with sudo and su root I
decided to reload. I did but did a use whole disk (no home part).
After booting I did have to go to the sudouser file an change it again
but the su root worked with out a problem.

Only saying all of this because of the email chatter on sudo and su
root.

Thanks for the attention a great info.
Jerry

Re: Debian 10 64bit

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/16/20 2:09 AM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
I was not offered to set a root passwd during the last 2 Buster 
installs I did. Admittedly, with mateDE and MAYBE that makes a 
difference. Who's going to try it to prove the point? It'll be several 
days before I can. Will do if I don't see somebody beat me to it.

Keith BAINBRIDGE
I have done many installs recently, several machines, but am occupied 
this morning.
I believe the installation goes exactly as described in the manual, but 
there are always some details that don't fit.


https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html#id-1.7.12.10

best of luck next time


ke1thozgro...@gmx.com

Sent from my Aphone

On 15 December 2020 7:01:32 pm UTC, Brian  wrote:

On Tue 15 Dec 2020 at 19:33:53 +0100, john doe wrote:

On 12/15/2020 6:34 PM, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2020-12-15 at 11:36 +0100, john doe wrote:

On 12/15/2020 10:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Lu, 14 dec 20, 19:45:54, Jerry Mellon wrote:

I finally got around to installing debian 10
on my 64bit system(thus removing the
i386version I had originally instaled). The
install went well and I asked for a seperate
Home particion. When I booted the system and
try to do "apt-get update and apt-get upgrade"
using "sudo" it would not let me do that. Said
I was not a sudo user. I then tried "su root"
which failed as well as it said I was not a
sudo user. I went to the sudouse file and
changed it to make me a user. Sudo as myself
worked fine but su root still did not work.
After seeing the email concering problems with
sudo and su root I decided to reload. I did
but did a use whole disk (no home part). After
booting I did have to go to the sudouser file
an change it again but the su root worked with
out a problem. 


You probably set a root password during install.
The Debian Installer will configure 'sudo' for the
first user only if you leave the root password
blank. This is explained during the install. 


That doesn't look to be the case anymore, I just
installed Buster with Mate and sudo is installed. 


Because sudo is a recommended package of task-desktop,
which is a dependency of task-mate-desktop. But if you
gave it a root password during install then it didn't add
the user you created at install time into the 'sudo'
group, so no user can use sudo. (This does make me wonder
why 'sudo' is recommended by task-desktop in the first
place.) 


Or at the very least, if sudo is installed having it
configured with the user added to the sudo group regardless of
if a root password is set. 



You are being obtuse.

d-i does not install sudo unless it is requested. That's the only point
at issue. It is the only thing that matters.

Why Mate chooses to install sudo is a different issue. It does not
invalidate

The Debian Installer will configure 'sudo' for the first user
only if you leave the root password blank. This is explained
during the install. 



What a particular package does has no bearing on the design of d-i's
base system.

-- Brian.

Re: Totally on topic

[Peter Ehlert]

On 12/31/20 11:33 AM, mick crane wrote:
Happy New Year to all concerned and thanks for the handy tips and 
information on Debian users in 2020


mick

and my Best to you Sir

Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/9/21 5:04 PM, John Hasler wrote:

Carl Fink writes:

I'm repeating the recommendation I've seen on this very list for
decades.

It is an incorrect recommendation.  Upgrading works well and is
supported and recommended by Debian.


sometimes, but not always. I prefer Reinstall, it's painless

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

"Performing a release upgrade is not without risk. The upgrade may fail, 
leaving the system in a non-functioning state. USERS SHOULD BACKUP ALL 
DATA before attempting a release upgrade"

Re: Debian and Android

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/17/21 6:57 AM, Celejar wrote:

On 17 Jan 2021 10:41:07 GMT
Curt  wrote:


On 2021-01-16, Dale Amon  wrote:

I simply want to drag my photos from the phone over a USB mount
and store them on my laptop.


If both your phone and your laptop are on the same LAN:

https://snapdrop.net/

https://github.com/RobinLinus/snapdrop/blob/master/docs/faq.md

Convenient and easy to use, so probably will be detested by the usual
curmudgeons of the group.

Security concerns do seem minimal, though, and I tried the app a couple
of times and it did work simply and nicely.

Huh - that looks neat! I have Syncthing set up to do my file
transferring between phone, laptop, and servers,

+1 Syncthing

but this certainly
looks like a useful solution for situations where one just needs a
quick and simple way to do a file transfer.

Thanks,

Celejar

Re: Recommendation for a netbook

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/25/21 3:29 PM, deloptes wrote:

Nicolas George wrote:


This does not look compatible with "I need it to be not expensive,
because that's for taking in transports daily and sometimes leaving
unsupervised in classrooms".


It is good quality for the money - what means expensive?! My advise is buy
good hardware - and it is usually the business line.
The Dell 5440 was around US$900,- and I considered it cheep (incl. docking
station in 2016)


The ProBook is 645 G1 also great.

No touchscreen.

Latitude 3190 2in1 starts at ~600,- (589,00 €) with touch screen.
Similar for HP (Elitebook although I liked the ProBook better).

we have several HP 820 Elitebooks. like a rock.
10" but no touch screen. I think they sold for +/- $1000 when new.
all of these were eBay finds, probably paid less than $250 each 4 or 5 
years ago.


But I can't say if these are good - just guess because they are labeled
business.

I know Dell XPS series were also good.

Sudo ... use or delete?

[Peter Ehlert]

I don't use sudo

The systems I use and the systems I setup for others never have sudo 
users setup ... unneeded.



Should I delete the sudo package? Would that cause some internal conflicts?
they all have Debian Mate desktops... if that makes any difference, I 
think not.

Re: Sudo ... use or delete?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/29/21 7:50 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:

* 2021-01-29 06:34:34-0800, Peter Ehlert wrote:


I don't use sudo

The systems I use and the systems I setup for others never have sudo
users setup ... unneeded.
Should I delete the sudo package? Would that cause some internal
conflicts? they all have Debian Mate desktops... if that makes any
difference, I think not.

You can delete package but some package may depend on it. With "aptitude
why" you can see if some other package needs "sudo" package. Here's an
example:

 $ aptitude why sudo
 i   kde-plasma-desktop Depends plasma-desktop (>= 4:5.10)
 i A plasma-desktop Depends kde-cli-tools (>= 4:5.14)
 i A kde-cli-tools  Depends libkf5su5 (>= 4.96.0)
 i A libkf5su5  Depends sudo

$  aptitude why sudo
i   inxi Recommends sudo

!!! thanks

Re: Sudo ... use or delete?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/29/21 11:47 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Vi, 29 ian 21, 06:34:34, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I don't use sudo

The systems I use and the systems I setup for others never have sudo users
setup ... unneeded.


Should I delete the sudo package? Would that cause some internal conflicts?
they all have Debian Mate desktops... if that makes any difference, I think
not.
  
Why are you considering removing it?

mainly I don't like cruft.
partly paranoia after reading about the bugs

*actually my "consumer" (a friend with a business I set up 
workstations/systems for) asked about it.

given that neither of us ever create a sudoers file it's really a non issue.


Kind regards,
Andrei

Re: Download Pages are, Locked??!???

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/7/21 7:44 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Stephen wrote:

Suddenly the download pages are forbidden?

What is going on?

Apologies, something screwed up and left the release directory not
readable. Fixed now. :-/

still not working here...

Re: Download Pages are, Locked??!???

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/7/21 9:19 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:

Peter Ehlert writes:


On 2/7/21 7:44 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Stephen wrote:

Suddenly the download pages are forbidden?

What is going on?

Apologies, something screwed up and left the release directory not
readable. Fixed now. :-/

still not working here...


Which URL are you trying to access?


I checked again, am no longer getting the 403



I can open the live images:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

and the installation media:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/

and others I just checked randomly just fine.

HTH
Linux-Fan

thanks, those are also working here now


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Re: Compared with debian 10.7, debian 10.8 (with realtime kernel) cyclictest test max latency has increased significantly

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/7/21 6:22 PM, Hongbo Li wrote:

hi！My machine used to run debian 10.7 with realtime kernel 
(linux-img-rt-amd64)，everything is ok.  A four hours cyclictest test has a 
result with max latency 8 microseconds. Yesterday I upgraded my machine to 
debian 10.8,
please read about Debian Point Releases ... 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases

and the version of kernel did not change ( 4.19.0-14-rt-amd64), but a new 
cyclictest test see a significantly increased max latency with 40 microseconds. 
I don't know why, please help me.

someone else might be able to explain cyclictest testing

Re: Download Pages are, Locked??!???

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/7/21 7:23 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 03:51:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar  wrote:


Suddenly the download pages are forbidden?

My guess is that this has to do with the Debian 10.8 point release ISO
image preparation.

S°

--
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.


Now fixed by Sledge: it looks as if the link had permissions problems at 700
  - a chmod to 755 has fixed it. Not deliberate: working now.

thank you Sir

All best,

Andy Cater

Re: how to set link/level in wifi configuration?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 2/10/21 5:40 PM, Long Wind wrote:

i've just installed inxi, but i don't think it's helpful

try inxi -F


zhou@debian:~$ inxi
CPU: Dual Core Pentium E6500 (-MCP-) speed/min/max: 1603/1603/2936 MHz
Kernel: 4.9.0-8-686-pae i686 Up: 4m Mem: 390.5/4005.9 MiB (9.7%)
Storage: 74.53 GiB (42.2% used) Procs: 103 Shell: bash 4.4.12 inxi: 
3.0.32

zhou@debian:~$

package-update-indicator not working with Bullseye Mate

[Peter Ehlert]

I use package-update-indicator with the Mate desktop.
It works well on Buster, on several machines that I have and also on 
several I maintain.
I have it set to update every hour, and execute synaptic-pkexec when it 
shows Red or Yellow.


Now, I am testing Bullseye on a couple machines. The tool bar icon no 
longer appears...so it has become worthless.

any others with the same issue?

Re: package-update-indicator not working with Bullseye Mate

[Peter Ehlert]

Pardon me. after the latest update this morning it is now working again 
as expected


On 2/17/21 2:36 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I use package-update-indicator with the Mate desktop.
It works well on Buster, on several machines that I have and also on 
several I maintain.
I have it set to update every hour, and execute synaptic-pkexec when 
it shows Red or Yellow.


Now, I am testing Bullseye on a couple machines. The tool bar icon no 
longer appears...so it has become worthless.

any others with the same issue?

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 3/8/21 5:28 AM, songbird wrote:

The Wanderer wrote:
...

Finding actual power consumption of a motherboard is apparently brutal.=

  Specs in

the manuals to mine say nothing about power consumption. DDG & Google i=

n 20+

minutes weren't helpful either.

I've encountered the exact same problem...

   aren't there gizmos that measure the watts being
drawn by clipping them around the plug that goes into
the wall?
yes: "Kill A Watt" is one brand name, there are probably many others. I 
think some can actually record the highs and lows.



   the rough numbers supplied are interesting thank
you.  the calculator didn't work for me.


   songbird

Re: Debian Getting started

[Peter Ehlert]

good effort, and a much needed type of promotion

thanks

On 5/17/19 2:04 PM, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi

Following on from Francisco post, I had been thinking about writing
something about getting started for a while.  So decided to just get on
and do it.

http://zleap.net/debian-getting-started/

I am trying to write this from my own view point of being new and
explain how I got started and how others can.  Lot of references to
parts of the Debian Website.

Paul

Re: Debian Releases

[Peter Ehlert]

looking forward to it, thanks

On 5/17/19 1:55 PM, Francisco M Neto wrote:

On Fri, 2019-05-17 at 21:35 +0100, Joe wrote:

Don't forget:

https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

I'm gonna cover that on the next post ;-)

Re: Quick test report pm buster rc1

[Peter Ehlert]

did you try the installer?

I really don't like the Calamares installer, kinda weird, lacking options.
thankfully the Debian Installer is still available.

On 5/22/19 11:36 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi All

Just downloaded the rc1 image below and created a flash disk to test.

debian-live-buster-DI-rc1-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso

Booted up fine,  selected live, and it booted to a desktop no problem.

Great work.

Regards

Paul Sutton

Re: Debian 10 user accounts

[Peter Ehlert]

that would be with the Calamares Installer?
I Hate it!
also it mounts all system swap partitions,
nor does it read or write partition labels.

I don't understand how to fix the Sudo issue, I can't even log in as root.
this something that Linux Mint also does, I forget how to fix it.

on my other machines I reinstalled with the Debian Installer (not the 
live session) and get a "normal" configuration, and no need to edit 
fstab, or fixup the labels afterward.


the Calamares Installer is a real thorn in my side... end of rant ;-)

On 5/23/19 10:47 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi

Just installing Debian 10 rc 1.  With regard to user accounts I am asked
for credentials for the account I want to log in with.  However I don't
appear to be asked for information to set up a root account.

is Debian 10 now using sudo to allow users to carry out admin tasks.

Is this how it is meant to do things, or have I missed a step somewhere ?

I can't take a screenshot of the related installer screen as that
facility has been removed :(

New installer does look very nice though,  great work.

Thanks

Paul

Re: UEFI beginner questions

[Peter Ehlert]

HP works, I have 5 HP machines at this time, all running Debian.
"secure boot" does not exist on any of them.
I do Not use UEFI, only Legacy Boot.
Never figured it out or saw an urgent need to use it.
BIOS/UEFI menus are all different, even on similar models and makes.

there are a number of articles on UEFI and boot loaders in the Debian Wiki.

On 6/7/19 7:46 PM, tuulen wrote:

Hi,
I am an ordinary GUI and mouse computer user, not a command line 
user.  But I want to get away from both Apple and Microsoft.  I spent 
a lot of time looking into Linux, Unix, BSD, and eventually I 
discovered Debian.  And because I like to know the details of what I 
am doing I also discovered that I just naturally like Debian, too, as 
Debian is built upon explanations, fine with me!


I was in the process of partitioning my hard drive to install Debian 
when I encountered a couple of UEFI complications.  My HP Laptop with 
Windows 10 does not offer a way to disable the "secure boot" feature 
of UEFI, so that makes Debian off limits.  Then I went to the HP 
website but almost all of the available HP desktops and laptops have 
Windows 10, with presumably the same useless UEFI that I now have, and 
I did not see any Linux-compatible HP computers as available.  I am 
aware that there are other computer makers and manufacturers but I am 
wondering what computers the Debian community prefers.  Fortunately my 
needs are small bandwidth-wise, no gaming, no movies, nothing bigger 
than an occasional news clip or YouTube clip, so I do not need a big, 
powerful computer.  I can continue to use Apple and Microsoft 
computers for ordinary day-to-day uses but there are some uses, like 
banking and financial matters including credit card use, etc., for 
which I would very much appreciate a more secure computer and for 
different reasons I have come to distrust both Apple and Microsoft.  
OK, so there is a steep learning curve to using Debian, but I think I 
can handle learning how to do what I need to do. Any computer model 
suggestions?

Thanks!  Best regards, Doug