Debian & Old Toshiba Laptop
I have a very old Toshiba laptop and I am looking to put Debian or some other form of linux on it. Details: CPU: Pentium I HD: ~700MB RAM: 16MB 2 PC Card slots, but some newer cards (such as wireless cards) do not fit Linksys EtherFast PC Card A wireless router, however I can not seem to set up a Windows network on it A Sony Vaio CD-RW drive PC Card an external bootable floppy drive on a special floppy port A working dock with parallel, serial, PS/2 and monitor ports I can boot and install from a large stack of floppys (20-25 disks), but I want to install from a CD or network and choose certain packages. I can access the CD during installation, and after install, but I can't boot from it, even using a Smart Boot Manager floppy. I want to install any base packages (preferably ash, not bash), and I want to use Xfce or IceWM-lite as a GUI, because the computer is so limited. Any help or questions are welcome, Kainino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME2 Learning Experience... and Fonts....
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:32:34AM +0700, arief_mulya wrote: > Read a couple clue to install mozilla-xft. Install it. And > Mozilla got gnome2-fonts, too. But why does the fonts in Where did you find the clue for mozilla-xft? It has made my day! I still have a problem with fonts in (I think) gtk based pysoulseek app. http://db.cs.helsinki.fi/~hendry/log/pyblosxom.cgi/debian/gnome2/font-woes.html If I have such many font problems with my western charset, I hate to think what pain the Chinese are experiencing. ;) Regards, -Kai Hendry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pyslsk on woody
* Rodrigo Gruppelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I noticed that woody does have python2.2, and I tried to install this and > some other libs that pyslsk requires, but I had no success running pyslsk > on woody. In what way does it fail? Error messages? BTW, maybe your problem has to do with the not available SoulSeek server at the moment? -- » [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.glorybox.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maintain X11 config with CFengine?
We use CFengine to maintain the configuration of our machines. It's great stuff. Now, one possibility for CFengine to manage the XF86Config would be to just copy or edit the file. But it occurred to me that it might be better to just maintain the answers asked by debconf. Do you think that might be feasible? Is it the right approach? If so, I imagine the procedure is as follows: First, CFengine edits some file where debconf stores the answers to its questions. (Where is that file and what's the format?) Then CFengine runs dpkg-reconfigure or something like this to tell Debian to reconfigure the package based on the previously configured answers. I've been quite happy with the X11 configuration that came out after debconf was done asking me. Another thing is that I'd like to change the sequence of directories in FontPath, and maybe add my own. So is there a file where debconf gets the corresponding XF86Config-4 snippet from? Can I have CFengine just edit that file? kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Gnome2 into SID
+ Patrick Brunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > still no Gnome2 shows up in the dselect lists. apt-get install gnome2 doesn't > work. What am I doing wrong ? How do you install Gnome2 ? http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html apt-get install gnome kai* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting an address from DHCP without an interface
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > is there a tool i can use as a DHCP client, which does everything > a regular DHCP client does, except for actual interface configuration? > In fact, I would love it to simply call a shell script whenever it > obtains a lease, or even better, whenever the IP of the lease changes. The normal dhcp-client package includes a script /etc/dhclient-script which is invoked to do all the work. It provides hooks. And also, you can of course replace the file with your own. kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting an address from DHCP without an interface
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.18.1816 +0100]: >> Idea1: It seems strange that you can't use the same interface to dhcp >> on the second time. Just render the client impotent so that it does >> not change the current parameters. > > can you elaborate on this? I think that the dhclient program does not do anything when it receives a DHCP packet, except for invoking /etc/dhclient-script. Therefore, if /etc/dhclient-script does not reconfigure the interface, then dhclient won't, either. I gather that "not reconfiguring the interface" is what you would like to do. kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: calendar formats
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, you can't seem to do this in calendar. I think you could in > KOrganizer, Evolution, ical, plan, remind, jpilot, gnome-pim, Emacs's > Calendar, and other things. If you got really tricky, you might be > able to do it within the C preprocessor, since the calendar file is > processed through cpp. > >[...] > > If it's too tricky, you'd need to do programming... in Emacs, you can > use lisp expressions for the "date" of an item. Most other calendar > programs won't let you do it. cd /usr/bin mv cpp cpp.HIDDEN ln -s m4 cpp kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting an address from DHCP without an interface
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > good spot. but dhclient.conf has the script directive disabled in > Debian: > > #script "/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script"; > > anyway, i'll experiment... thanks! I think this is the default, at least that string occurs in the /sbin/dhclient binary on my system. But the docs don't say. kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Automatic creation of VMware kernel modules?
When building a new kernel (with make-kpkg) I always forget to also build new VMware kernel modules. It would be easy to put make-kpkg and vmware-config.pl into a script, but that is not enough: we have multiple machines using the kernel package I thus create. Therefore, we need to find a way to put the VMware kernel modules into a *.deb for easy installation (or to teach CFengine to install them to the right location). Suggestions? kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Abstain from bringing eth0 up on boot? (cf. laptop-net)
I installed laptop-net, and it appears that this will bring up an interface when I plug in a cable. So I'm thinking that it's not necessary to bring up eth0 on boot -- laptop-net will take care of that. So I commented out the "auto eth0" statement in /etc/network/interfaces, but it seems that eth0 is _still_ brought up on boot. What's the story? Running sarge on an IBM T30 laptop. -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ready-made initrd setup?
I've read the howto on initrd, and it looks fascinating. But it also looks intimidating to set it all up from scratch. So maybe someone else has done it already? I'm using sarge and I'd like to use initrd to be able to boot the same kernel on different hardware. So, for example, I don't need to compile in both ide and scsi support because some machines boot from one, some from the other. I hear good stuff about the hw detection facilities in Knoppix, could they be pilfered for my purpose? -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready-made initrd setup?
Raghavendra Bhat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kai posts : > >>> I hear good stuff about the hw detection facilities in Knoppix, >>> could they be pilfered for my purpose? > > The hw detection is done by kudzu, GPLed stuff. Ah, and there are even Debian packages for this! Cool. > They can be pilfered and you can re-master your own Knoppix CD. It is > very easy. The following links will be of help, > > http://www.knoppix.net/ > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=46907&ck= Well, I don't want to remaster a Knoppix CD. Instead, I want to change our existing Debian installation to auto-grok hardware, so that, for example, the same kernel runs on all of them. But it seems that kudzu can find a CD rom drive and add the correct fstab entry and /cdrom symlink. That's nice. It also appears to be able to help me configure the X server. But that seems to be a little more difficult so I'm going to have to work on that one. Currently, we have a lot of scripts in /etc/modutils that run `lspci -v' and do different things depending on its output. For example, various audio cards are recognized. I think that kudzu can do this job. It is, however, not extensively documented so I'm going to have to meditate about it. -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ready-made initrd setup?
Oliver Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > See also man make-kpkg and option --initrd: That's nice. I think I've got to try it first, before asking more questions. (I'm wondering whether it's possible/necessary to modify the initrd setup thus created.) -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cups
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (sdownes) writes: > Printing from Abiword to lp does nothing > command line (lp -d lp@rm "filename") returns:- > lp unable to print file server-error-service-unavailable > from a remote host or:- > job queued but cant start daemon > (it isn't queued in cups) /etc/printcap has to do with the lpr, not lp, program. -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cups
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Großjohann) writes: > /etc/printcap has to do with the lpr, not lp, program. (You need to install the cupsys-bsd (or similar) package.) -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn(Frank Nobis) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vaio PCG-Z505F install (fwd)
Hi there, got no response from the laptop list - so I try again here...
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:03:50 +0900 (JST)
From: Kai Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
Subject: Floppy on Vaio PCG-Z505F
Hi there,
Just bought a nice SONY Vaio PCG-Z505F (Japanese model) and set out to
install potato from the resc1440tecra.bin floppy disk. Boots fine and
partitions the disk all right, but later no more floppy access seems
possible. The step INSTALL OPERATING SYSTEM KERNEL AND MODULES fails with
a message unable to mount rescue floppy for both, /dev/fd0 and /dev/fd1.
During boot the following messages are dumped to screen:
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is , fd1 is 2.88M AMI BIOS
floppy0: no floppy controllers found
The kernel version that I got for this rescue disk on a local mirror is
2.0.36 (gcc version 2.7.2.3). If I try to bypass the kernel installation
step and go directly to the installation of the base system, I get:
/dev/fd[01]: Operation not supported by device
The external floppy drive that came with the laptop is connected to a USB
connector on the box via a special SONY cable...
Any ideas how to cure this or how to work around it? (No more windoze
anywhere on my disk :-) ...
Thanks in advance for your help, cheers, Kai
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Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
Hi all. I'm new to the Debian way of linuxing and since changing distribution is almost as involved as getting a new OS, I decided I would follow the discussions among the Debians. From the main website I lerned that this was done via mailing-lists, so I subscribed. But when it dawned on me that I was going to get 100 mails a day I regetted it. Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a newsserver instead That way it's much easier to follow threads and only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does not connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as alt.sex or comp.microsoft.. Anyway. This is unworkable for me. Don't reply - I'm off. Kai
Re: is this the end of debian?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Romosan) wrote on 20.03.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> No it certainly is not. We have over 300 developers. The loss of > >> Bruce, though not necessarily a good thing, will not destroy us. > >> > > ^^^ > > who is us? The developers who > >caused Bruce to leave? or the > >users ?? Bruce himself caused Bruce to leave. I still fail to understand what he's upset about, but he sure has been upset more and more often lately. Stress, most probably. Anyway, Bruce hasn't been the Debian leader for quite some time now. Ian Jackson is, and in my completely biased opinion, he's actually doing a better job. > of course it is the developers. as some of them made it quite clear in > their messages they couldn't care less about the users. too bad. >From what I see, this is just not true. People read things in mails that really weren't there. This is much more hot air than anything else. (Of course, that's not really new, either. We've had hot air like this before.) MfG Kai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I am leaving Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Mashao) wrote on 20.03.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Bruce will sorely be missed by us. His departure will indeed make people > re-evaluate whether Debian is stable enough to operate or one should > indeed be looking for products controlled in the Red Hat manner. May I point out that Bruce has absolutely no relation to Debian stability? This flareup is about marketing only. I must say I have my doubts about marketing arguments, if they come from someone who makes bad PR for Debian whenever he's upset. Bruce has done good things in the past. I even expect him to do more good things in the future, and I wish him well for that. But he should sure find a better way of handling stress. > The question I ask myself is how far will the net-based distributioon go > before personality problems overcome it. It shows no signs of stopping. MfG Kai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: barking dogs and i18n
>>>>> On 31 Dec 1997, Kai Grossjohann said: Kai> Franklin is writing pop3-biff.el. Of course, it is only appropriate Kai> to have this thing bark. Now, barking in English is easy: "woof!" Kai> will do just fine. But nowadays, some i18n is called for. So I told Kai> him that "wau!" (or "wuff!") would be good German barks. Kai> But what about other ones? Surely people on this list can help? Kai> I think Klingon and Esperanto as well as maybe Swahili are very Kai> important in order not to alienate a significant user population! Kai> PS: Franklin, I hope you didn't mind me posting here. Woops! I shouldn't post at 1:30 in the morning, it is bad for my health... I hit the wrong row in selecting the mailing list. Silly me. Thus, let me explain that *.el files are for Emacs and Franklin is writing an Emacs extension. Now that you realize that I've hit the wrong list you might want to ignore my question. If, on the other hand, you happen to have Klingon as your first language, I sure wouldn't mind if you responded anyway! 8-) Sorry again. kai -- Kai Grossjohann, Informatik VI[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uni Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmundhttp://ls6-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/ Vox +49 231 755 5670, Fax -2405 I like both kinds of music. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
barking dogs and i18n
Franklin is writing pop3-biff.el. Of course, it is only appropriate to have this thing bark. Now, barking in English is easy: "woof!" will do just fine. But nowadays, some i18n is called for. So I told him that "wau!" (or "wuff!") would be good German barks. But what about other ones? Surely people on this list can help? I think Klingon and Esperanto as well as maybe Swahili are very important in order not to alienate a significant user population! PS: Franklin, I hope you didn't mind me posting here. tia, kai -- Kai Grossjohann, Informatik VI[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uni Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmundhttp://ls6-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/ Vox +49 231 755 5670, Fax -2405 I like both kinds of music. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Meta key: what's the right/best way?
>>>>> Pete Templin writes: Pete> I'd also like to know how to get backspace to be a backspace Pete> and delete to be a delete consistently in all of the things I Pete> do (xterms on localhost, xterms telnetted to another host, Pete> emacs locally, emacs in a xterm telnetted to another host, Pete> emacs remote onto my X display) - what's the right way to do Pete> it? For Emacs in xterms, the best solution seems to be to add the following to your .emacs file: ,- | (or window-system | (progn | (define-key ctl-x-map "?" 'help-command) | (define-key global-map "\C-h" (lookup-key global-map "\C-?")) | (setq help-char ??))) `- This makes Backspace behave like you're used to. Be aware, though, that this changes the behavior of C-h, too, as Emacs has no way to tell the difference between Backspace and C-h in a terminal where that is the same. As you can see, you can use "?" in places where you used C-h to get help, before. You can also use F1. And the help command is bound to C-x ?. hth, kai -- I fell in love with you the first time I looked at you them there eyes.
Re: debian and ISDN?
>>>>> Alexander Lazarevic writes: Alexander> Can somebody give me a hint how to connect my Alexander> debian-linux box via ISDN?! I know of some isdn4linux Alexander> package, but the readme expects me to do a kernel patch. Alexander> Isn't there a isdn kernel-module anywhere to do the job? I've got a Teles card, and everything works fine for me. I compiled a new kernel with PPP, CSLIP, ISDN and Teles support (seems you need CSLIP for header compression which is used by ISDN, too, I don't know about PPP). I also installed the isdn4linux or isdnutils package (or whatever it's called). I'm a happy camper now. kai -- I fell in love with you the first time I looked at you them there eyes.
Re: turning off computer
>>>>> I Brake for Moths writes: I> Is there a way for a user without root priveleges to cleanly I> unmount the root file system and shutdown the computer? I did "chmod ug+s /sbin/halt" and I'm happy since. Be aware, though, that now anybody can immediately shut down your computer who has an account. kai -- I fell in love with you the first time I looked at you them there eyes.
Re: Chmodding a whole directory tree
>>>>> Thought writes: Thought> How do I make a whole directory tree and it's files Thought> readable by everyone? I can't just chmod -R a+r dir Thought> because then they won't be able to cd to the directories, Thought> but I can't chmod -R a+rx dir because then all the files Thought> will be executable... Is there a way to make the Thought> directories +x without making all the files +x? Many people have opinions on the above, but I prefer... Thought> Or better yet is there a way to copy the owner's Thought> permissions to the group and other's permissions? Thanks this approach. Type "chmod -R g=u ." regards, kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: XWindows .deb package for debian gnu linux
>>>>> Paulo Gustavo Raymundo Silva writes: Paulo> [...] I would like to know if is possible to transform the Paulo> second DOS logical drive at the extended partition (E: 504Mb) Paulo> in two new UNIX logical drives (e.g. 64 Mb & 440 Mb) at the Paulo> same extended partition where previously there was a logial Paulo> DOS drive (D: 1 Gb), at the same Western Digital EIDE HD with Paulo> a previously defined DOS primary partition (C: 504 MB) with Paulo> no data loss.If your answer is No, where can I encouter a DOS Paulo> based program that modifies the partition table with no data Paulo> loss at the partitons not modified (I my case, is necessary Paulo> to delete drive E:, create two new Unix logical drives in Paulo> this region and to keep unchanged The C: and D: partition Paulo> information and disk structure). You can use Linux fdisk or cfdisk to delete the old E partition and to create two new partitions in its place. I've done this myself for primary partitions, so I know it works there, but not for extended partitions, so YMMV. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: dpkg and shadow
>>>>> Thought writes: Thought> [...] Or better yet, is there a program that will search my Thought> whole disk (or at least all the data in a directory tree) Thought> for a word(s)? [...] There's glimpse, which is a bit of grep-on-steroids. You run glimpseindex once, give it a directory (say) and it will search all files in that directory and make an index of them. You can then later say "glimpse foo" to search all files for "foo". There are various options to trade off index size vs search speed. There is a glimpse Debian package. If you want to do content-based searching in text (or text-like) files, I recommend freeWAIS-sf (http://ls6-www.informatik.uni-dortmund.de/ir/projects/). With it, you can define fields in files (so you can index BIBTeX files or mails or whatever) based on regular expressions, and you can do a content-based search. freeWAIS-sf has operators for phonetic similarity, for example, and does stemming (so searching for "base" will find "bases", as well as "based", maybe even "basic"). regards, kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: Problems working with bash.
>>>>> Alexander Lazarevic writes: Alex> - In tcsh I can type anything on the command line and do a Alex> search on the history list matching this input by pressing Alex> ALT-P. How do I do that with bash? I also came from tcsh, therefore I put this in my ~/.inputrc and I'm happy ever since 8-) ,- | M-p: history-search-backward | M-n: history-search-forward `- kai -- I wish my mouth had a backso^Hpace key.
Re: Finding files not present (challenge to your intelligence)
>>>>> Eloy A Paris writes: Eloy> I was given a text file containing one file name (no full path Eloy> name) per line. My task consists of searching the entire Eloy> filesystem and generate a list of the files that are NOT Eloy> present. updatedb generates a database of all file names on the system. (It only runs for a few minutes for my system.) "locate foo" searches for all files names with a "foo" substring. The status code is 0 if at least one file was found, 1 otherwise. (Actually, "foo" is a shell pattern with "*" and "?" wildcards. Read the man page for details.) Does this get you closer to the solution? kai -- I wish my mouth had a backso^Hpace key.
Re: Problems working with bash.
>>>>> Pete Harlan writes: Kai> ,- Kai> | M-p: history-search-backward Kai> | M-n: history-search-forward Kai> `- Pete> In bash it's ^R for reverse, and ^S for forward search, just Pete> like in emacs. Perhaps if you select vi rules for bash it Pete> will use whatever horror vi uses for searching. This is useful but not the same as M-p and M-n in tcsh, which is why I bound them to keys. If you type, say, "g" then M-p repeatedly you get all command lines that begin with "g". I use this *all* the time, as an alternative to "!g" because it lets me see if I got the right command line before I hit Enter. Just for the record: I am *not* a vi user and would not want to be associated with advocates of such an editor. So there! kai -- I wish my mouth had a backso^Hpace key.
Re: Problems working with bash.
>>>>> Gertjan Klein writes: Gertjan> [...] The principle is this: if you have an empty Gertjan> commandline and you type the up arrow, you get the previous Gertjan> command. If you've already typed something, you get Gertjan> whatever previous command starts with that. This combines Gertjan> the two functions that bash uses (and needs two keys for) Gertjan> into one. [...] The function history-search-backward which I bound to M-p does exactly this. (Similar for M-n, history-search-forward.) kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: Problems working with bash.
>>>>> Kai Grossjohann writes:
Kai> The function history-search-backward which I bound to M-p does exactly
Kai> this. (Similar for M-n, history-search-forward.)
I must have been out of my mind :-(
Sorry, of course the Bash 1.X history-search-{for,back}ward don't do
this right.
kai
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Re: Open Look GUI
>>>>> Daniel Karlsson writes: Daniel> AVAILABILITY Daniel> This command is available with the OpenWindows Daniel> environment. It uses the OPEN LOOK Graphical User Interface. Daniel> Is it impossible to run OpenWindows programs in X? Or how Daniel> can I get passed this? Well, OpenWindows includes Display Postscript, and some OpenWindows programs use it. (An obvious example is pageview, a Postscript viewer.) You should be able to display programs like shelltool or cmdtool on any X11 display, though. If the program doesn't use Display Postscript and you can't display it on your Linux X11 display, I don't know what's wrong. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: dftp without dselect?
>>>>> adavis writes: adavis> Is it possible to install packages via dftp without using adavis> dselect? There is dftp and there is dpkg-ftp. dftp is meant to be used without dselect whereas dpkg-ftp adds the ftp method to dselect. I used dftp exactly as described with "dftp --help", and I had no problems. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Re: bi
>>>>> Jason Costomiris writes: Jason> I get calls from users all the time asking "How do I search Jason> and replace in my file?" 9 times out of 10, they are using Jason> pico, which has to be the most brain dead editor ever Jason> created. I always tell them, use vi, [...] Well, vi is not the only choice. If they're using X, why don't you tell them to use xedit? It's about as braindead as pico but can do search and replace, so it should be very easy to use. Then, there's nedit which has a nice Motif feel to it so Windoze users will love it instantly. For my part, I use Emacs and I think that simple things are easy to do in Emacs so Emacs isn't unsuited for beginners at all. kai -- Two caf\'e au lait please, but without milk. (American tourist in paris.)
Re: vi
>>>>> Craig Sanders writes: vi: Craig> 1G # move to start of file Craig> /192.168.1 # search for 192.168.1 Craig> 5cw192.168.200 # change 5 'words' to 192.168.2 Craig> n # find next Craig> . # repeat change Craig> n # find next Craig> . # repeat change Craig> n # find next Craig> . # repeat change Craig> :x # save and exit emacs: M-< ; go to beginning of file C-x ( ; start recording kbd macro C-s 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1 M-b M-b M-b ; go back three words M-d M-d M-d ; delete three words 129.168.200 ; insert new string C-x ) ; end kbd macro C-x e ; repeat C-x e ; repeat C-x e ; repeat Nothing to do with "modeless". kai -- Two caf\'e au lait please, but without milk. (American tourist in paris.)
Re: so sorry to intrude, but i need help
>>>>> BodakSean writes: Sean> [...] to reach these worlds i have to have some kinda Sean> unzipping device and other complicated utilities for a first Sean> time user. [...] To find things out there a web search engine is the place to go. For example, I pointed my web browser at the URL http://www.infoseek.com/ and typed "unzip utility". Guess what happened. I got the first ten of a list of 300,000 links about unzip utilities. The first entry was one which explained how to download and install an unzip utility. I'm really fond of InfoSeek. It's the search engine you used to get when you use the "Internet Search" button of your Netscape browser. Now they provide pointers to a number of search engines. There you go. kai -- because I couldn't think of a good beginning. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AccelX and Xfree together
>>>>> Chris Hanson writes: Chris> [...] In the future, you will have to be careful not to Chris> update the XFree86 server package accidentally, because this Chris> will overwrite the AcceleratedX server. [...] I didn't change any symlinks. I went into the X86 config file (forget the exact name) and changed the name of the server there. As Debian package installations are careful not to overwrite your config files, you won't have any problems. kai -- because I couldn't think of a good beginning. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian as a server.
>>>>> Nathan E Norman writes: Nathan> [...] The biggest difference is the price tag. An unlimited Nathan> BSDI 3.0 license is $2995. An unlimited Linux licenses Nathan> costs about $0. [...] Of course, BSDI isn't the only BSD out there and there are several that cost $0, too. kai -- Life is hard and then you die. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How can i port files from dos to linux?
>>>>> The Good ol' tavo =) writes: orojas> how can i port the gnu or tar or gzip or .deb files that i orojas> download using MSIE30 to linux? and how can i install all orojas> the packages that come with the debian system that i orojas> downloaded from the internet without causing conflicts orojas> between each other? If you tell your FTP client to do binary transfers (as opposed to text mode) you can just store the files on your FAT or VFAT partition and mount it in Linux using the mount command. I don't know how to tell Internet Exploder to use binary transfer, maybe it uses that by default. Use the command dpkg to install any one .deb file. Make a mirror of the distribution (mirroring the directory structure, too) and just point dselect to it (having mounted the FAT or VFAT partition, first). Use the mount command to mount the partition like this: mkdir /dos mount /dev/hda1 /dos Of course, you should choose the right name instead of /dev/hda1. h means IDE, s instead of h means SCSI. a means the first disk, use b for the second. 1 means first partition. hth, kai -- Life is hard and then you die. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
How to tell dpkg a package is installed though it isn't?
I compiled Emacs myself and put it in /usr/local. How do I tell dpkg that it's OK to install packages that depend on Emacs though it's not a Debian package install? tia, kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [DEBIAN] Standardization?
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, George Bonser said: George> One of the points raised was that even though there is a George> filesystem standard, there is still too much leeway in that George> some things like system initialization files and how they George> are arrainged can differ widely from one distribution to the George> next. It was noted that debian does its /etc/rc.* George> completely different than RedHat does as an example. AFAIK RedHat uses linuxconfig or somesuch package which takes over the booting process (ie the /etc/rc* files). But linuxconfig can be told not to do that. So we can attack this problem right there -- convince the linuxconfig people not to use their own /etc/rc* scheme, and all will be fine. For this problem. Have I been talking foolish things? kai -- I like both kinds of music. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
>>>>> George Bonser writes: George> ...and they are fetched individually. >>>>> jghasler writes: John> You can put all the mail for each branch office in one John> mailbox. Fetchmail can sort them out. How does fetchmail deal with mailing lists? I'd imagine that all that fetchmail can do is look at the To and Cc headers which aren't very useful for mailing lists. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
>>>>> Carey Evans writes: Carey> For example, my ISP adds X-Envelope-To: and Return-Path: Carey> headers which is all the extra OOB information. You've got a very nice ISP :-) kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-capable mail reader
>>>>> Stephen Zander writes: Stephen> Currently I'm using xmh and it's just not cutting the 200+ Stephen> emails I see a day. I like the MH features, I just need Stephen> multiple inboxes, which it doesn't do :( I use Gnus, the Emacs mail/news reader. It handles large amounts of mail very nicely. Gnus can sort incoming mail into different folders (aka "groups"). You can a nice overview of which groups have new mail. Gnus groks threads. And you can click on a URL with the middle mouse button and have Netscape show you the page. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mailers
>>>>> David R Kohel writes: David> This is not really Debian specific, but is relevant to David> handling the volume of mail from this mailing list. [...] David> Emacs? Are the mail handling tools of emacs worth looking David> into? I am an Emacs aficionado. I use the Gnus combined mail and news reader. It is very nice for large amounts of mail. Incoming mail can be presorted into several folders. You get a nice overview of which folders have new messages in them. Gnus groks threading, so you get a good overview of the messages. Folders can be grouped in so-called topics. A folder can be in more than one topic if you like. Topics can be nested. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: GNUS and Mail
>>>>> Eloy A Paris writes: Eloy> rmail??? Isn't this rmail the one that comes in the sendmail Eloy> package and is used for UUCP mail? I guess not... As it happens, rmail is a homonym (or is it polyseme?). Not only is the program that's used with UUCP called rmail, but RMAIL is also an Emacs mail reader. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-capable mail reader
>>>>> mark powers writes: mark> [...] GNUS has a lot of nice things about it, though I mark> don't think it does any sorting functions for MH mark> mail. (correct me if I'm mistaken here) Though, the nnmh mark> method works quite well if you have an external mail sorting mark> app (such as procmail). I haven't tried GNUS/nnmh with slocal, mark> so I can't speak to that. [...] I'm unsure about the meaning of "sorting functions". If this means sorting different mails into different folders depending on their headers, then Gnus can do that easily. If this means affecting the order of displaying messages, that can be done, too, but it is fairly slow. Example for former meaning of mail sorting with Gnus: ;; slightly edited (setq nnmail-split-methods (list (list "auto.bbdb" "x-Loop:[EMAIL PROTECTED]") (list "auto.ctwm" "sender:.*owner-ctwm") (list "auto.ding" "\\(to\\|cc\\):[EMAIL PROTECTED]") (list "auto.ding" "\\(to\\|cc\\):[EMAIL PROTECTED]") (list "auto.debian" "\\(to\\|cc\\|x-loop\\):.*debian-\\(user\\|changes\\)") (list "auto.debian-doc" "\\(to\\|cc\\|x-loop\\):.*debian-\\(doc\\|book-discussion\\)") (list "auto.fvwm" "sender:.*owner-fvwm") (list "mail.misc" ""))) This means, that mail with the specified X-Loop header goes in the auto.bbdb folder, mails sent by owner-ctwm goes in auto.ctwm and so on. All mail that doesn't match anything else goes in mail.misc. I just use the simple mechanism, there is a "fancy" mechanism, too, which can do all kinds of things. Such as putting some mail into several groups. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ftp web pages updating in apache?
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, R Chris Ross said: Chris> [...] I would like to have them set up so that they can FTP Chris> their data in, both us and them can look at it and off we go. Chris> It seamed that the easiest way was to set them up as a user Chris> then symlink the directory that is the document root for Chris> apache in the /home/user directory then they would have Chris> access. If I understand correctly, when a user logs in via Chris> FTP they are put into their home directory by default they Chris> would cd to the document root. People who use anonymous ftp to connect to your machine can only see the ~ftp subtree. But people who use non-anonymous ftp can see all of your machine! (Unix file permissions permitting.) kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What is '/etc/emacs/site-start.d' for?
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, sca bbs said: sca> What's the directory '/etc/emacs/site-start.d' for? sca> When I installed 'calc', I found that the 'calc autoloads' sca> file '50calc.el' is in '/etc/emacs/site-start.d/'; sca> but emacs doesn't seem to automatically load it. I think there is supposed to be an Emacs Lisp script that runs on Emacs startup and loads all files in /etc/emacs/site-start.d. But I don't use the Debian Emacs installation, so I don't really know. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 97 15:08 PDT, Bruce Perens said: Bruce> [...] I've been thinking of splitting the debian-user list Bruce> into several lists: [...] I've been on the sun-managers list for a couple of years. They use the "reply to the author, author sends summary" scheme of things, and the volume of mail wasn't *too* high. I'm afraid that most people won't know what to do, though, so there would need to be some measures: - When a user has asked a question on the list, they get sent an automatic reply telling them that . all others are to send the answer by email . the user is to post a summary later on. - Frequent "policy" posting to the list saying how things ought to be handled. Whatcha think? kai -- Signature? What signature? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian-Lite : The Project
>>>>> On 05 Aug 1997, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen said: SSM> What kind of workstation are you setting up? SSM> [ ] "normal" workstation SSM> [ ] Word processor (lyx/latex/emacs ... ) SSM> [ ] X-terminal SSM> [ ] ... As I read this, the Deity project is developing something that has this capability. The URL was mentioned earlier in this thread: http://www.verisim.com/~behanw/deity/deity-ui_0.10.html See Section 6 "Profile Screens". kai -- Signature? What signature? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, W Paul Mills said: Paul> I do not like the idea of replying to poster, who will then Paul> give a summary. Personally I would rather see all responses to Paul> a thread. There is often more than one way to solve a Paul> problem. What is best for one case may not be best for all. The summaries should include all responses, optionally with a comment on how well that approach worked. The original poster would be responsible for editing the responses so that each solution appears only once. That's what was (probably still is) done in the sun-managers list. kai -- Signature? What signature? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best mode for uucp over tcp.
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 1997, Victor Torrico said: Victor> I'm running a ppp dialup to an ISP who uses pop3 and dynamic Victor> addressing. This is my only access to the net. I have no Victor> local net. Victor> Is it to my advantage to run uucp over tcp/ip? Both ends of a connection must support UUCP for this to work. You seem to be saying your ISP does NOT support UUCP, so you can't use it either. kai -- Signature? What signature? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why Debian?
>>>>> On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Gonzalo A Diethelm said: Gonzalo> [...]I very much like the idea of contributing to the free Gonzalo> software idea, but I'd also like to get a functional, Gonzalo> feature-loaded and maintainable system;[...] The package maintenance software has an unusual interface (ie one that doesn't comply with the interface of any other software you've seen), but that does not mean that it is difficult to use. All you need to do is to read what is on the screen, it tells you all about the keys that you can press. Other than that, Debian might be the best Linux system out there with respect to upgradability. RedHat might be as good, I don't know. Debian claims to have the greatest number of packages. Everything I wanted to have was already available as a Debian package (except for commercial software, which often come in RedHat format only, but Debian can install RedHat packages, too). Debian has the largest developer team, >200 people. kai -- I like both kinds of music. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian really best?
>>>>> Tim T Walker writes: Tim> Why is Debian better? I chose it because of the packaging system and because they said that they try to provide a stable system. In fact, nothing about Debian has ever behaved in an unexpected way for me (except for stuff that I configured myself -- go figure). The packaging system groks dependencies and versions and it can deinstall packages. It's quite thought-out, for example it knows that you need an MTA (mail transport agent) in order to meaningfully install an MUA (mail user agent). Further, it knows that there are different programs providing the same functionality (eg sendmail and smail), so to a mail reader it won't matter if you install sendmail or smail. kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non frees on CD
>>>>> Thomas Degner writes: Tom> However, using 'deselect' i cannot use *different* Tom> source media during *one* deselect session. I.e. Tom> i cannot say look for 'buzz' on CD and for 'non-free' Tom> on my hard drive /zip drive. There used to be a time when you could select a special menu entry which would allow you to specify a directory for every kind of package: contrib, non-free, ... I haven't used dselect for a long time now so I don't know if it disappeared. kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to download in the background?
>>>>> Boris D Beletsky writes: >>>>lawrence, You wrote: Lawrence> Is it possible to download something, say Lawrence> http://xxx.xxx.xxx/abc.zip in the background? For example, I Lawrence> can run ncftp, get a file, press CTRL-Z, type bg, then I can Lawrence> logout and ncftp still downloading the file for me. Is there Lawrence> an equivalent command for downloading from http? Boris> `ncftp ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/abc.gzip &` Boris> will do it This does ftp but not http. kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X is painful
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Early) wrote on 15.11.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just > a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to > the same policy. I wish you luck. Actually, this is a very good description of the problem. And I agree with Bill. The situation we have sucks big rocks through straws. It sucks even more because it seems there is *no* way to solve this problem. (Maybe the FSU can do something. Well, I can dream, can't I?) The designers of X made one *big* error. It's nice to be able to configure how the system looks. But the X window manager system doesn't actually do that, it only handles a very small part of the system (window decorations, window focus, and similar stuff). Had that interface only been richer ... MfG Kai -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: Useing $HOME in .fvwmrc file ?
>>>>> Stan Brown writes: Stan> Can I do this? If so how? I need to set up a pixmap Stan> path that will point to a place relative to the users home Stan> directory. (1) Use ~/foo to refer to a directory in your home directory. (2) Use m4 or cpp to preprocess your .fvwmrc file and use their way of referring to environment variables. I'm not sure if (1) works but (2) works. kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xemacs, vm and the "FROM"adress line?
>>>>> Dirk Luetjens writes:
Dirk> Hi, does somebody know, how to convince xemacs to use another
Dirk> "From" line when genrating mail.
I use neither XEmacs nor VM, so I'm not sure. But I think on
reasonably current versions you should be able to set
user-mail-address, like so:
(setq user-mail-address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Please note that this *must not* contain you real name, nor any "<" or
"(".
kai
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automatic mounting of CDs
Hi there, Sun Solaris has vold which watches the CD-ROM drive and mounts the CD when you insert one. Is there a similar program for Debian? tia, kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with isdn4linux and network connections
Hi, I connect to my provider using PPP over isdn4linux and a Teles card. All works well except for one thing: Sometimes I start Netscape (say) to read news. I read news for a while then decide it's enough. Then I execute "isdnctrl hangup ippp0" which hangs up the connection just fine. Everything is cool so far. However, if I suddenly decide to quit Netscape, the trouble starts. The ISDN connection comes back up with not data to transfer :-( I lokk at the process table, it contains no process that could possibly want to transfer NNTP data, but still, netstat shows me a "news" network connection that is (usually) in state FIN_WAIT_1. I don't think Netscape is the problem: it happens with the Emacs Gnus newsreader as well. Note that the trouble starts only when I quit the program: I can hang up the ISDN connection at any time then resume newsreading later without any problem, as long as I leave the newsreader running. What's the story? tia, kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Matrox Millenium Video Card Problem
>>>>> AUBORD Alain writes: Alain> I have some problems with my Matrox Millenium Video Card. I Alain> want to start X with the XFree 3.2 super vga server but I Alain> only get 320x200 display. The chip seems not to be recognized Alain> properly. AFAIK the current XFree has a server for the MGA? kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with tar/sendmail/ls
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Evan Welsh) wrote on 30.04.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> $ /usr/sbin/sendmail -f evan evan < ~/test.msg
> clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered
> Segmentation fault
> $
>
> Now this looked just like a problem I had with tar a while back. When tar
> refused to perform any operation that involved writing to a file (or
> STDOUT) and bombed out with the same message. By the way, I also get the
> clnttcp_create message with ls but it doesn't seg fault so -- like a bad
> smell -- I can live with it.
I've heard this one before. I don't remember the exact details, but I
think I can guess:
> if (gid != savegid)
> {
> savegid = gid;
> savegname[0] = '\0';
> setgrent ();
> gr = getgrgid (gid);
> if (gr)
> strncpy (savegname, gr->gr_name, TGNMLEN);
> }
Obviously, it barfs when trying to match group ids to group names, and
what goes wrong involves tcp/ip.
That should be a problem with yp (aka nis).
Two possibilities:
a. You want to use yp. Make sure that it's setup right, something
obviously isn't. I'm not an yp expert, so I can't tell exactly what.
b. You don't want to use yp, maybe don't even know what it is. It seems
it's enabled, though. I _think_ you'll find a special entry in /etc/groups
indicating to getgrid() that it should do a yp lookup, and removing that
entry will stop your problem. (Similar entries can exist for /etc/passwd.)
Something looking weird like "+:*::" or similar.
MfG Kai
Re: problems compiling with R0.93
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magnus Therning) wrote on 12.05.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > When I try to compile my own "hello world" program I get these error > messages: > > gcc -g -o hello -L/usr/X11R6/lib hello.o -lXaw -lXt -lX11 > ld: Output file requires shared library `libc.so.4' > gcc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal signal 6 > make: *** [hello] Error 1 I seem to remember that one from some time ago on (I think) the linux-gcc list. Just remove the -g. It's a problem in the binutils, but AFAIK you don't really need that -g anyway *in the link step*. MfG Kai
Re: find question (and xargs)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erick Branderhorst) wrote on 13.05.96 in <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>:
> find / -size +459976c -noleaf -type f -name '*.deb'|\
> xargs -n 1 dpkg-split -s {} && rm {}
>
> I was thinking that {} would be replaced by the filename but that's
> not the case. Anyone know how to solve this?
It's find that does the replacing. None of the {}s are in the find
arguments, however. (And rm is not even in the xargs arguments!)
Personally, I'd probably make a script for the split-and-remove, but it
should also work with a shell function.
Anyway, I'd probably try something like this:
find / -size +459976c -noleaf -type f -name '*.deb' -exec split.sh {} \;
#! /bin/sh
dpkg-split -s "$1" && rm "$1"
MfG Kai
dselect and dpkg
Hi there, I'm trying to install Debian 1.1 (I know that it's unstable and maybe I should start with a stable release first, but I have already learned a few things and I think I should be able to complete the installation with your help). To this end, I have made a copy of one of the mirrors to a local disk which I then take home with me to install Debian from. Now, I have already done this and it seems that the Packages* files and the contents of the directories are out of sync. Are the Packages* files used at all by dpkg or dselect? If so, can I just create a correct version there by running dpkg --avail then copying the /var/lib/dpkg/available file? If not, what else can I do? I have tried to run dpkg --update-avail bla.deb but that failed with a message about wrong format of the file. Also, it seems that dselect sometimes gets confused about which packages are available. What would I need to do to convey the right state of affairs to dselect? Create the correct Packages.gz file? Something else? Also, when dselect claimed that it could install a package, I tried to install it using dpkg --install which ran just fine. This makes me believe that maybe dselect shouldn't be used for installing a beta version? I would be happy with using dpkg if you told me a reasonable way of resolving conflicts and installing a number of packages at once. For example, WIBNI I could just do a magic incantation to install all required packages, say? Then, if that succeeds I would install all important packages, then I would look at what other packages I want. I will be starting with a clean slate tonight or tomorrow, i.e. I will run cfdisk then mkfs on my disk, install the base system from floppies, then mount the external disk with my copy of Debian (unstable/binary-i386, contrib, non-free) and then do whatever you tell me is best. Please reply by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as well, as my subscription to the list doesn't seem to have been processed already. Thanks a lot in advance for your patience, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: minicom..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg) wrote on 15.05.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Edit /etc/group and add yourself to the "dialout" group. I believe the easiest way to do that is to do, as root, # adduser yourself dialout MfG Kai
Re: X Windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin M Bealer) wrote on 15.05.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 'pico' is good for a unix newbie. If you are used to the ancestral wordstar > command set that many dos editors use (even windoze borrows from it ^V=paste > etc.), "joe" (which is my editor of choice) is good. joe is one executable Ugh. ^V=paste isn't wordstar. There's no "paste" in wordstar (since wordstar has no clipboard), and ^V is usually the insert mode toggle. Maybe you confused it with the "move" command, ^KV? ^V actually comes from the Mac, where it was Command-V (early Macs had Command instead of Control; modern Macs have both). On an US keyboard, Z, X, C and V (mapped onto undo, cut, copy and paste) are side by side in the lower left. They do, however, collide with the wordstar directional functions (char movement ^S, ^D, ^E, ^X; word movement ^A, ^F; page movement ^R, ^C; scrolling ^W, ^Z; just look at an US keyboard layout to find out which is which). Joe is a fine editor, though. MfG Kai
XFree and ATI-Mach-64 cards
Hi there, can't get XFree running on an ATI-Mach-64 card. I don't know for sure what kind of Mach64 card it is, but it's got 2MB VRAM. When I start XF86_Mach64, I get junk on the screen: most of the pixels are white, but there are thin vertical stripes (a couple of inches high/long) of black. Also some patches of the screen are green or yellow. Nothing changes on screen when I move the mouse or change resolutions. I suspect that the aperture is the problem; the docs (of XF) say that the aperture has to be set. For this, I seem to need to include a MemBase line in the Device section. But I don't know what to put there: The INSTALL.EXE that comes with the card tells me the aperture is ``4M @ 4000M'' (quoting verbatim) whereas the M64DIAG.EXE tells me the aperture is ``8MB @ 4000MB''. The printed docs say (trying to translate from German) Video memory address * A000 - BFFF plus the address of the memory aperture that has been activated using the installation program What do I have to put in the MemBase line? (The printed docs also claim that I can ``INSTALL APMAP'' which lets me change the aperture but sadly that doesn't work.) Thanks a lot in advance, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: dselect and dpkg
>>>>> On 15 May 1996 12:15:39 +0200, Kai Grossjohann >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Kai> Hi there, I'm trying to install Debian 1.1 (I know that it's Kai> unstable and maybe I should start with a stable release first, Kai> but I have already learned a few things and I think I should be Kai> able to complete the installation with your help). Kai> [...] Kai> Also, it seems that dselect sometimes gets confused about which Kai> packages are available. What would I need to do to convey the Kai> right state of affairs to dselect? Create the correct Kai> Packages.gz file? Something else? [...] Rehi, seems I have learned quite a bit since I posted the last time. I now installed Debian 1.1 using dpkg alone and doing away with dselect. Fits my style of work better anyway :-) However, I tried dselect once again and it really seems it it using the information from the Packages* file, regardless of the contents of the directories. WIBNI there was at least a way to let it go search the directories themselves if the user so desires? This may take longer but it means that it's got accurate information. kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: Two X questions
>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 1996 21:54:22 +1000 (GST), Alan Eugene Davis >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Alan> 2. Under X11 as it is configured on my 640 x 480 low end Alan> color LCD (Toshiba T1910), many applications I would like to Alan> use, such as xpaint, tgif, xfig, not to mention ghostview, run Alan> at a size that is large than the screen can show at once. twm has a configuration option which is called MaxWindowSize or something like that. You might want to set this to 640x480 minus the space needed for the borders. This is just a kludge but it may work. I'm not sure if such an option exists for fvwm. kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: dselect complaints
>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 96 14:34 BST, Ian Jackson >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Ian> I know that there are many people who don't like dselect. Ian> [...] Ian> Suggestions for improvements that don't involve a complete Ian> restructuring are still welcome. I don't have any problem at all with the interface of dselect, but I wish it would not depend on the correctness of the Packages.gz file to operate correctly. WIBNI there was an option where dpkg --avail -R were run on the three directories given in ``[A]ccess'' and dselect used that information? I think that could be done without too much restructuring in the dselect code (though I know none of it). Disregard if you don't like this suggestion, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: Root login is waiting
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 1996 15:20:34 +0200 (METDST), >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M.Dassen) said: Ray> Can you check if you have a /dev/xconsole? Maybe syslog tries to Ray> write to it. I don't have a /dev/xconsole, and Debian complains about it on boot-up. How do I make one? (I know about mknod, but I don't know the parameters.) (Please excuse me if /dev/MAKEDEV can be used for this, just tell me and I'll find the place.) kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: problems with psnfss and (separately) bind
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 1996 16:00:51 -0500 (CDT), travis breaux >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: travis> [...] psnfss-5.2-1.deb travis> throws out at me the following lines during unpacking: travis> [...] corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive I got the same problem. Just get the file from the stable tree, it's got the same version on it, is the same size, but works. kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
netscape*.deb installation problem
When I dpkg -iGBE netsc*.deb, I get the message that Netscape wants to see the archive netscape*.tar.gz in /tmp. Nothing further seems to happen. The obvious thing to try was to cd /tmp, then run dpkg, but alas, no joy:-( What's the story? tia, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: netscape*.deb installation problem
>>>>> On 24 May 1996 13:25:40 +0200, Kai Grossjohann >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Kai> [[ Can't install netscape*.deb ]] Thanks to everybody who answered. I know understand that I need to get Netscape itself from ftp.netscape.com. Silly me, I should have found that out by myself, especially since I could have done dpkg -I netscape*.deb and read it on my screen. Sorry, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: ~/.saves-6702-hostname.domainname
>>>>> On Fri, 24 May 96 08:29 MET DST, >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Wehler) said: Andreas> Does somone know how to avoid long lists of emacs-savings Andreas> like that in the subject line? [...] These files contain lists of filenames that Emacs has currently auto-saved. You can use M-x recover-session RET to recover all these files from their auto-save files. (Auto-save files are usually named something like #foo# and should not be confused with the backup files foo~ -- auto-save files are created automatically by Emacs when the buffer is modified and when Emacs has been idle for a while.) I do not think that it is a good idea to remove these files. Instead, try to end each Emacs with C-x C-c before shutting down X and see if any new .saves files appear. One day, you will be thankful for an auto-save file! This is similar to backups -- most of the time you don't need them at all but you still do them (you do make backups, don't you?) because you know when you need them you need them bad! Many regards, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: Self-Built Kernel Packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian C. White) wrote on 30.05.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> There is indeed a Debian-ized version of the kernel. The package is > > >> called kernel-image. > > > > You could also grab the raw source and use kernel-package > > package to generate your new image package. This is the recommended > > method for generating custom kernel images. > > Could you point me to exactly where this is recommended? > > In any case, though, I have no desire to follow this path. I like > building my kernel directly from the main sources. I don't want to > have to wait for a package to get built or apply patches to the > debian sources. I think you misunderstand something here. The beauty of the current scheme is that you can do exactly that! Just unpack the main kernel sources, unpack the kernel-package (not kernel- source or kernel-image) on top of it, make config, debian.rules kernel_image, and dpkg -i kernel-image-whatever (but check the docs for the spelling, this is off my head!). There's no need to wait for someone making a kernel-image-*.deb for you. You can make one yourself. > But neither I nor some others install the Debian kernels. We like > building our own. Again, there's no conflict. Really. Just have a look at it. MfG Kai
Re: POP forwarding
>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Douglas> However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the Douglas> firewall and access their home server for them. I think it would not be too difficult to write a POP proxy. You write a little program that runs on your Debian box that pretends to be a POP server, but what it really does is to open a connection to the *real* POP server of your friends and forward all commands to that server. All the program needs to do is to know where a message ends, you can then read all of a message then wait for response. That means that you will have to familiarize yourself with the POP protocol to see how each request to and response from the server is terminated. I did this once for HTTP and it didn't take me longer than two days (part-time, used a programming language I had never seen before, learned to use Python on the way). kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: Ok where are the disks?
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT), "' ALLAN W. BART" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Allan> Now i would like to install debian, so where do i get the Allan> system ? You get all of this from ftp.debian.org, or one of its mirrors (the message listing the mirrors will be printed when you connect to the site). Debian needs a boot disk, a root disk, and three base disks. Everything else is installed from a local disk partition, or an NFS mounted partition, or from CD, or via FTP (for this you will need dpkg-ftp which I think is in the tools directory). On the WWW site there is a document explaining the installation process. hth, kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: rlogin localhost
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 02:09:46 +1000, Mark Phillips >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Mark> Why was this? Is there something I need to do to allow rlogin Mark> connections, or doesn't it make sense to rlogin to localhost? Mark> (Nor can I do telnet, finger or ftp - I can do ping though.) Maybe the services are commented out in /etc/inetd.conf? I think ping uses the echo protocol which is built in to inetd, so maybe the entries in /etc/inetd.conf that say to run telnetd, rlogind and similar stuff are wrong? Check the file and see if you have the executables in the right paths. kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: 1.1 problems
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:58:53 +1000, Mark Phillips >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Mark> dependency problem prevents configuration of libc5-dev Mark> libc5-dev depends on libc5 (=5.2.18-8) however: Mark> version of libc5 on system is 5.2.18-9 Get a newer libc5-dev (5.2.18-9 rather than -8) and install that. kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: PPP link kills routing table
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:52:53 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Mark> I tried establishing a ppp link and found it didn't work. To
Mark> find out what was going on, I ran route and got: [...]
There is a `defaultroute' option for pppd. You might want to try
fiddling with that in /etc/ppp/options and see if it does something.
In any case, you should be able to put any `route' commands you need
in the /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down} scripts. This would be just a kluge but
it would work, I guess. Not that I have actually ever tried something
like this, nor that I know anything about routing :)
kai
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Re: PPP link kills routing table
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:13 +1000, Mark Phillips
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Mark> I do use this option.
Hm. I already thought so. I thought maybe *taking it out* would do
something useful.
Mark> I would like to solve this problem, but in the mean time, can
Mark> someone please tell me what I should do to manually setup the
Mark> routing table correctly. Thanks.
Like I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but there are
scripts /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down}. Just put the necessary `route'
commands in there. I assume you know how to `route' manually as you
said you have done this in the past. Sadly, I *don't* know how to use
`route'.
hth,
kai
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Re: Debian-1.1 "Packages" file sync problem
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 96 09:28 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) >>>>> said: Bruce> I ran a Packages file update yesterday but it apparently did Bruce> not complete. I am running one now. I suggest throwing away the Packages thingy completely and always telling dselect to update its info based on the actual contents of the directory. People have been hit too often by that problem, I think. Whatcha all think? kai -- Life is hard and then you die.
Re: Compose characters in X
>>>>> Yves Arrouye writes:
Yves> - one user under VIP couldn't search because / is a prefix
Yves> key too :-(
Look at the function iso-accents-customize. Here's what I set up for
German:
; put this in site-start.el or in .emacs
(eval-after-load
"iso-acc"
'(progn
(setq iso-languages
(cons '("german" (?\" (?A . ?Ä) (?O . ?Ö) (?U . ?Ü)
(?a . ?ä) (?o . ?ö) (?u . ?ü)
(?s . ?ß) (?< . ?«) (?> . ?»)))
iso-languages))
(iso-accents-customize "german")))
But I think the default value of iso-languages has a value for french,
just German was missing -- let this be for the benefit of the German
readers of this mailing list...
kai
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Re: Compose characters in X
>>>>> Yves Arrouye writes: Yves> If only Motif would get these keys too, and differentiate Yves> between backspace and delete, I'd be really happy. I think Motif uses a way that involves the Multi_key keysym. Assign this keysym to some key and see if you can use it as a Compose key for Motif programs. (For me, Multi_key worked just fine for Emacs, too. On a SPARC Solaris 2.5 machine, though.) kai -- What's a signature?
Re: IP forwarding and/or Masquerading
>>>>> James D LaPlaine writes: Jamie> I'm still struggling to get my PPP connection working Jamie> properly. Although the chat script is making the connection, Jamie> I can;t send any packets to any machine other than the one I Jamie> am dailing in on. Even then it only works a little, I can't Jamie> even ping that machine (or myself, whether I have ppp running Jamie> or not.) Type `route' and see what kinds of routes you have. I had to add the following command to my /etc/ppp/ip-up script: route add -net default ippp0 Substitute the right device for ippp0 -- I'm using ISDN. You probably want modem or cua0 or ttyS0 or something, which ever device you have specified in /etc/ppp/options. kai -- What's a signature?
Re: So which email package do you ,use
>>>>> W " "Bart," "Jr writes: W> so which email package do you folks like? For high-volume email users, I recommend Gnus which is a combined mail/news reader package for Emacs. Emacs is a Debian package and contains Gnus. kai -- What's a signature?
Re: Term colors / Logging on ttys ?
+ Oliver Schoenknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Besides I want to put my /var/log/messages- and /var/log/maillog-files > in style of the "tail -f"-command on tty11 and tty12 - also enabled at > boot time - is this possible as well ? If you use potato you should have a look at /etc/syslog.conf. There is a commented part ( "I like to have ...") which shows you an example like this: *.=debug/dev/tty10 Kai. -- + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~bond/
Re: access to /var/log/messages
+ William Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Therefore is it wise policy to add my user account to the 'root' group? Would > that solve the problem while maintaining system security? Or is there a > better way of achieving this? And how would I go about adding myself to the > root group...modify /etc/group? As you can see most of the files in /var/log have the permissions for root and the adm group set. [ bond : ~ ] ls -l /var/log/messages -rw-r-1 root adm105000 Sep 2 01:19 /var/log/messages Adding a user to the root group is not a good idea. Ok, if it is your machine at home and you are the only user it could be ok. But I recommend you to add you to the groups you need access to: adduser Groups I belong to are: adm, cdrom, audio, dip and video. Kai. -- + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~bond/
Debian Menu with Sawfish (Helix)
Hi, has anyone the same experience with (all packages up-to-date) HelixGnome and Sawfish: The middle mouse button, which brings up sawfish's root menu contained under "programs" the whole Debian menu with apps ... Since some days I miss it! There are only some entries: xterm, Emacs, Netscape and others. Any idea, what went wrong? Or is it the supposed behavior? How can I get the Debian menu structure back at this place? P.S. I tried to remove all my sawfish/sawmill settings in $HOME, because I thought I did something with my config. No effect. Kai. -- + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~bond/
Re: Debian Menu with Sawfish (Helix)
+ Julio Merino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The middle mouse button, which brings up sawfish's root menu contained > > under "programs" the whole Debian menu with apps ... Since some days I > > miss it! There are only some entries: xterm, Emacs, Netscape and others. > > You maybe removed the "menu" package from your system. Reinstall or > update it. No. It is still installed in latest version and I tried serveral times to reinstall it. No effect. -- + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~bond/
Re: Debian Menu with Sawfish (Helix)
+ Ian Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I don't have the potato version of sawfish - the last one I saw was
> still sawmill. In sawmill the important file which made the menu to
> be read was /usr/share/sawmill/site-init.jl (or maybe it was in a
> subdirectory of that called something like lisp or site-lisp, I don't
> remember exactly). Where that file reads the menu from must agree
> with the location update-menu creates it (and that is specified in
> /etc/menu-methods/sawmill).
Ok. I checked now the source code of sawfish. Now, I don't know whether
it is a problem of the Helix Debian package or a problem of sawfish
itself:
>From /usr/share/sawfish/0.30.3/lisp/menus.jl:
(defvar apps-menu
`(("xterm" (system "xterm &"))
("Emacs" (system "emacs &"))
("Netscape" (system "netscape &"))
("The GIMP" (system "gimp &"))
("XFIG" (system "xfig &"))
("GV" (system "gv &"))
("xcalc" (system "xcalc &"
This is exactly the displayed menu. Shouldn't it be something dynamicly
loaded code? I will ask in the sawfish mailinglist, too. But could
someone inform me, whether his sawfish like packaged from Helix displays
the Debian Menu?
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SOLVED: Debian Menu with Sawfish (Helix)
+ Rino Mardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > This is exactly the displayed menu. Shouldn't it be something dynamicly > > loaded code? I will ask in the sawfish mailinglist, too. But could > > someone inform me, whether his sawfish like packaged from Helix displays > > the Debian Menu? > > mine does I solved the problem. I read all available documentation and found the solution in the FAQ. I have installed some custom modules and start them in my .sawfishrc. This overrides the default-settings for some windowmanagers. So I put (require 'sawfish-defaults) into the rc-file and now it works. -- + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~bond/
