Re: Journalctl and offline boot disk drive

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 04:32:55PM +1100, George Kirkham wrote:
> Now with Journalctl, is it still possible to connect the failed-to-boot disk
> drive to another computer and read logs?  How?

You got an answer regarding reading systemd journal in another
directory, but…

For there to be any persistent logs in /var/log then at least the root
filesystem must have been mounted read-write. This is really quite far
into the boot process, so I would think there would be a way to get it
to a rescue prompt even when the rest of the system does not come up.

There should already be a grub entry that boots to "rescue" target, but
in case you need to do it another way you can edit the kernel command
line to have "systemd.unit=rescue.target" on the end. You can also use
"break=" to stop boot at various places in the initramfs.

More info here:

https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#systemd_hangs_on_startup_or_shutdown

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: Installation Process

[Byunghee HWANG]

Ife Wright  writes:

> I want to install debian but I don't understand why I have to erase 
> everything on my hard disk to do it,I just want to install without erasing my 
> hard disk

Alternatively, you can leverage cloud VMs such as Google Compute Engine.


Sincerely, Byunghee



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Re: Journalctl and offline boot disk drive

[George]

On 30/3/25 20:50, David wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 at 05:33, George Kirkham  wrote:


'Back in the good old days' when logging was to text files. When a disk
drive failed to boot, I could attach that disk drive to another computer
as a secondary drive, and then mount and read the logs to see why it
could no longer boot.  As well as to inspect other things.

[...]


Now with Journalctl, is it still possible to connect the failed-to-boot
disk drive to another computer and read logs?  How?
Maybe the answer is to use -D or --directory to point to the attached
disk drives journal directory?

[...]


Example: journalctl --directory=/path/to/your/journal/
For example, journalctl --directory=/mnt/my_logs/journal
Is my interpretation of the man instructions correct?

Hi, I did a simple test which confirms this works as you expect.

'journalctl --header' shows that the default directory is
/var/log/journal, so my test command was:

sudo journalctl --directory /otherdrive/var/log/journal


Thanks for doing the test. Useful to know!

George.

Re: Journalctl and offline boot disk drive

[David]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 at 05:33, George Kirkham  wrote:

> 'Back in the good old days' when logging was to text files. When a disk
> drive failed to boot, I could attach that disk drive to another computer
> as a secondary drive, and then mount and read the logs to see why it
> could no longer boot.  As well as to inspect other things.

[...]

> Now with Journalctl, is it still possible to connect the failed-to-boot
> disk drive to another computer and read logs?  How?

> Maybe the answer is to use -D or --directory to point to the attached
> disk drives journal directory?

[...]

> Example: journalctl --directory=/path/to/your/journal/
> For example, journalctl --directory=/mnt/my_logs/journal

> Is my interpretation of the man instructions correct?

Hi, I did a simple test which confirms this works as you expect.

'journalctl --header' shows that the default directory is
/var/log/journal, so my test command was:

sudo journalctl --directory /otherdrive/var/log/journal

Re: Journalctl and offline boot disk drive

[Max Nikulin]

On 30/03/2025 12:32, George Kirkham wrote:
Now with Journalctl, is it still possible to connect the failed-to-boot 
disk drive to another computer and read logs?  How?

[...]

https://man.archlinux.org/man/journalctl.1.en

-D DIR, --directory=DIR


There is 
However since you are already on the Arch site, you may find examples there:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Journal

There is an article on journal in
https://systemd.io/#the-systemd-for-administrators-blog-series
It does not describe -D, but still may be useful for other use cases.

PS I am currently using Thunderbird to try out email threading. Are the 
any other good email clients that support email threading and are 
packaged in Debian?


Rare mail clients do not set In-Reply-To. I am curious which one you 
usually use.


https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Message_Threading_and_Replying
describes threading. In addition this article and
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
suggests

Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead.

Failed unmounting disk mes. on every restart

[J]

Hello!

Every time i restart the PC i have an error message while rebooting
process: "[FAILED] failed unmounting *disk-mount-point*..."

It didn't bother me really, because this message usually just immediately
disappeared. But last time the *computer could get stuck* on this for a
minute or two.

These are *ext4* partitions.

Mounting points were made with *Gnome-disks* and in *FSTAB* it looked like
that

*/dev/disk/by-uuid/*8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d
/mnt/8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d *auto
nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0*

Then i remade it manually this way

*UUID=8cd66b97*-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d
/mnt/8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d auto
nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0

Now it doesn't stuck trying to unmount it for a minute, but still i see the
error warning

Of course, as expected *if i close all the apps* and processes which use
these partitions, *there is no error*.

But shouldn't PC do the unmount automatically after the apps are closed
during the reboot process?

Does it warns me that it couldn't unmount the disk completely? Or it just
informs that it couldn't do it from the first time?

Should i be worried? Is it a* must *to close all the apps and/or unmount
disks manually before reboot?

Is there a risk of information loss or disk corruption?

Re: web browser recommendation

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:23:04 -0700
Marc Shapiro  wrote:

Hello Marc,

>I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the
>lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper.

I've got VDH installed in Brave.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/video-downloadhelper/lmjnegcaeklhafolokijcfjliaokphfk

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Re: OT: Connect two computers with linux with wlan, but without any router

[Hans]

Hi David,

> What new hop? You said you had the setup:
> 
>   hostA≡E--cat5/6--cable--∃≡hostB
> 

no, I have no cable setup, I just said, I know, how to setup when using a 
cable. Maybe I did not use the correct English idiom...

> where E and ∃ are ethernet sockets. (You don't normally need
> a crossover cable nowadays.)
> 
> Assuming that hostA can configure its wifi as an access point,
> then you replace the cable with:
> 
>   hostAP≡∈  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ∋≡hostB

That is, what I wanted to do. The idea is, to manually set both computers with 
fixed IP's on its wlan interface for example:

Computer A 
IP: 192.168.1.10
GW: 192.168.1.1

Computer B
IP: 192.168.1.20
GW: 192.168.1.1

Then use NGINX with RTMP-module listening on its standard port and streaming 
with RTMP from Computer A to Computer B to the standard port. 

Everything without any AP or router between.

The stream can then be made visible with VLC or OBS on Computer B.  

That is the plan, and as litle as possible between the two computers.

> 
> where ∈ and ∋ are antennae, and hostB connects to the AP
> as it would to a router's AP.
> 
> My point with respect to your OP was that the wifi link is
> not symmetrical: hostB doesn't need to be an AP.
> 
> If you can do it via ad-hoc networking, that's fine by me.
> The benefit of the method above is that you only have to
> reconfigure one host, A, and leave B untouched: B knows how
> to connect to an AP, so you can focus all your attention
> on getting hostA to work, and test it with any normal wifi
> device that happens to be on hand.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.

I do not know, if that is possible with wlan at all. However, it looks like I 
am always have to use an AP on one of the computers (as other users told). 
Looks like this is the only solution. However, if it is so, then it will be ok 
for me.

I intend to build a full preconfigurated livefile system based on debian, so 
that people with Windows-computers can boot it in the fields and can use it.

But - this will be a long way.

Best regards

Hans

Re: Journalctl and offline boot disk drive

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 16:32:55 +1100
George Kirkham  wrote:

> PS I am currently using Thunderbird to try out email threading. Are
> the any other good email clients that support email threading and are 
> packaged in Debian?

If, as in this email, you have two separate queries, you might do
better (and be more polite) to send two separate emails.

To answer your question, claws-mail, for one.

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Re: Spurious emails from somewhere in "Debian hierarchy"

[tomas]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 05:59:09AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> I'm evidently have not conveyed the import of what I have termed "spurious".
> It is *NOT* the same as saying something is spam.

No, Richard. The issue is that you point to a problem here and don't
give people willing to help debugging it *anything* to chew on.

Saying "there are mails I don't consider appropriate for that list"
according to some vague criteria without actually *showing* one or
three samples is just... unfair.

People then lose interest in helping out.

That's what happens.

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Re: OT: Connect two computers with linux with wlan, but without any router

[Hans]

Am Samstag, 29. März 2025, 19:21:39 CEST schrieb Stefan Monnier:
> >> You need to make one PC an access point. I think most guides are
> > 
> > yes, I already am aware of this, but this I wanted to avoid.  It will
> > be then again a new hop, which causes delay (and I suppose,
> > a software router is  sklower than a hardware device).
> 
> No, if one of the PCs is the AP, then communication between the two PCs
> is direct without "extra hop".
> 
> Similarly, if you use a separate AP/router box, any service you run on
> the AP/router box (e.g. a WAN connection) itself is available "directly"
> without any extra hop.
> 
> 
> Stefan

Hi Stefan,

so, if I undersztand you corectly, the software AP on the computer does not 
delay anything although it needs processing time?

This looks strange for me, as I would think, the AP on the computer would also 
need some processing time for recognition, correction and routing to the host.

Or am I wrong?

Best

Hans 

Re: Debian stuck at 12.6

[Loris Bennett]

"Andrew M.A. Cater"  writes:

> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 10:03:48AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a machine which I have updated since Wheezy in 2013 and has thus
>> accumulated a bit of cruft.  It is currently running Bookworm but seems
>> to have become stuck at 12.7.
>> 
>> I have a second machine on which I installed a fresh Bookworm a few
>> weeks ago.  This has point release 12.9.
>> 
>
> 12.10 was just released this last weekend so you might want to upgrade
> again. It's not vital but you'll then be more up to date.
>
> apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade works for me to do that.
>
> I hit something similar the other day. You can try (from Adam Barratt on IRC):
>
> adsb | often just rm-ing /var/lib/apt/lists/* and trying again is enough

This seems to have done the trick.  Many thanks to you (and Adam Barratt).
Now I have:

# cat /etc/debian_version 
12.10

> In my case, I switched mirrors - my /etc/apt/sources.list pointed to
> deb.debian.org in each line of the stanza.
>
> I'm in the UK to changed this to ftp.uk.debian.org for each line and it
> worked for me. I think sometimes it's just a stale file / cache somewhere.
>
> Try changing mirrors to the nearest mirror in your country, maybe, and
> see if that makes a difference.
>
> As ever with apt problems, it's really useful if you can copy you
> *actual* /etc/apt/sources.list file to the mailing list.
>
> It is very easy to make a typo. Invariably, when you do so, someone else
> will spot _exactly_ what you've done immediately, even though you've been
> looking at it for hours :)
>
> With every good wish, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
> (amaca...@debian.org)
>
>
>
>
>> I have replaced /etc/apt/source.list on the 12.7 machine with that from
>> the 12.9 machine, done
>> 
>>   apt-get clean
>>   apt-get update
>>   apt-get upgrade
>> 
>> but no new packages are installed.
>> 
>> Where could I look to see where the problem is?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Loris
>> 
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Re: Spurious emails from somewhere in "Debian hierarchy"

[Richard Owlett]

On 3/29/25 11:09 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Sat 29 Mar 2025 at 05:36:46 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:

On 3/28/25 11:29 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 24 Mar 2025 at 06:34:05 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:

Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider
spurious emails.



The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to
the "debian-...@lists.debian.org" mailing list.


On Fri 28 Mar 2025 at 08:00:59 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:

Further investigation suggests a human *explicitly* sent all
"desirable" emails to debian-...@lists.debian.org .
I.E. When SeaMonkey displays header content onscreen, To: *OR* Cc:
contains "debian-...@lists.debian.org".
No "spurious" email has that in *EITHER* of those fields.
[I don't know enough about email mechanics to understand how the
"spurious" emails do get sent by some automatic mechanism.]


So would it be true to say that the only connection between these
"spurious" emails, aka spam,


*TILT*!!!
I don't believe them to be spam.
On 3/24 in response to having been asked:

  What do you mean exactly by "spurious"?

I had replied:

That I did not associate them to be related to my needs/desires/expectations
[ When posting I was unsure if "spurious" was best term - thus the
quotation marks in my post.].

Please note my comment in the square brackets.


[SNIP]


You can't find the words to describe these emails, yet you won't
communicate any of their contents, header or body, as evidence
to the list. And yet you want the list members to tell you where
and how to report something that we know almost nothing about.
That makes no sense.

I asked you to check the headers of the emails, which you said
you can read in SM, and told you what you look for, and yet you
just snip that away. What's going on?

Cheers,
David.




I'm evidently have not conveyed the import of what I have termed 
"spurious". It is *NOT* the same as saying something is spam.


I had run into some sort of problem with some web pages (don't recall 
which). I went looking for a relevant list to give me background to be 
able to describe the problem.


I found https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ which says in part:

Web pages design and maintenance
Design, structure and translation of Debian web pages. ...


To see if it was what I was looking for, I subscribed.
At first it appeared to be a low volume but appropriate list.
Then there was a barrage of posts that seemed irrelevant.

Then a few posts of interest. Then more of no interest.

80% of the uninteresting post were placed by the bug-tracking system.
100% of posts explicitly done by humans seemed to have some potential on 
topics of interest.


My problem is solved by filter I previously described.

Re: Failed unmounting disk mes. on every restart

[J]

Also, is there a way to see these messages on black screen during reboot in
the system logs somehow?

i can't find it in

*journalctl -b1 -r*


вс, 30 мар. 2025 г. в 17:35, J :

> Hello!
>
> Every time i restart the PC i have an error message while rebooting
> process: "[FAILED] failed unmounting *disk-mount-point*..."
>
> It didn't bother me really, because this message usually just immediately
> disappeared. But last time the *computer could get stuck* on this for a
> minute or two.
>
> These are *ext4* partitions.
>
> Mounting points were made with *Gnome-disks* and in *FSTAB* it looked
> like that
>
> */dev/disk/by-uuid/*8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d
> /mnt/8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d *auto
> nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0*
>
> Then i remade it manually this way
>
> *UUID=8cd66b97*-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d
> /mnt/8cd66b97-bde6-4475-b875-8f3928a8b14d auto
> nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
>
> Now it doesn't stuck trying to unmount it for a minute, but still i see
> the error warning
>
> Of course, as expected *if i close all the apps* and processes which use
> these partitions, *there is no error*.
>
> But shouldn't PC do the unmount automatically after the apps are closed
> during the reboot process?
>
> Does it warns me that it couldn't unmount the disk completely? Or it just
> informs that it couldn't do it from the first time?
>
> Should i be worried? Is it a* must *to close all the apps and/or unmount
> disks manually before reboot?
>
> Is there a risk of information loss or disk corruption?
>
>
>
>

Re: OT: Connect two computers with linux with wlan, but without any router

[Joe]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 15:40:07 +0200
Hans  wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> > What new hop? You said you had the setup:
> > 
> >   hostA≡E--cat5/6--cable--∃≡hostB
> >   
> 
> no, I have no cable setup, I just said, I know, how to setup when
> using a cable. Maybe I did not use the correct English idiom...
> 
> > where E and ∃ are ethernet sockets. (You don't normally need
> > a crossover cable nowadays.)
> > 
> > Assuming that hostA can configure its wifi as an access point,
> > then you replace the cable with:
> > 
> >   hostAP≡∈  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ∋≡hostB  
> 
> That is, what I wanted to do. The idea is, to manually set both
> computers with fixed IP's on its wlan interface for example:
> 
> Computer A 
> IP:   192.168.1.10
> GW:   192.168.1.1
> 
> Computer B
> IP:   192.168.1.20
> GW:   192.168.1.1
> 
> Then use NGINX with RTMP-module listening on its standard port and
> streaming with RTMP from Computer A to Computer B to the standard
> port. 
> 
> Everything without any AP or router between.
> 
> The stream can then be made visible with VLC or OBS on Computer B.
>   
> 
> That is the plan, and as litle as possible between the two computers.
> 
> > 
> > where ∈ and ∋ are antennae, and hostB connects to the AP
> > as it would to a router's AP.
> > 
> > My point with respect to your OP was that the wifi link is
> > not symmetrical: hostB doesn't need to be an AP.
> > 
> > If you can do it via ad-hoc networking, that's fine by me.
> > The benefit of the method above is that you only have to
> > reconfigure one host, A, and leave B untouched: B knows how
> > to connect to an AP, so you can focus all your attention
> > on getting hostA to work, and test it with any normal wifi
> > device that happens to be on hand.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > David.  
> 
> I do not know, if that is possible with wlan at all. However, it
> looks like I am always have to use an AP on one of the computers (as
> other users told). Looks like this is the only solution. However, if
> it is so, then it will be ok for me.
> 
> I intend to build a full preconfigurated livefile system based on
> debian, so that people with Windows-computers can boot it in the
> fields and can use it.
> 
> But - this will be a long way.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 

Re: Who: Bookworm v. Trixie

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 18:53:39 -0400
Timothy M Butterworth  wrote:

> > On trixie who (GNU coreutils 9.5) gives me a long list of logins,
> > most of which predate the most recent reboot. "who -u", similarly.
> >  
> 
> On my Trixie system `who --users` only provides a carriage return and
> prints no information. 'who -a' only prints the last boot time. Seems
> like who is seriously broken.

Did you provide a file for who, as I noted lwer down in my original
email? E.g.:

who /var/log/wtmp



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Re: Who: Bookworm v. Trixie

[Mike Castle]

The whole utmp stuff is flaky, a best effort system that might give
some resemblance to reality.

All who does is read the database.  It is up to all of the other
systems that might write to it to do the correct thing with regards to
adding and removing entries.

man -s 5 utmp

Goes into more detail (likely more than you want to know for this
particular problem).

mrc

Re: Who: Bookworm v. Trixie

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:25 PM Charles Curley <
charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On bookworm who (GNU coreutils 9.1) operates more or less as I have
> expected it to operate for several decades: it prints current logins.
> E.g.:
>
> charles@hawk:~$ who
> charles  tty7 2025-03-30 11:31 (:0)
> charles  pts/35   2025-03-27 20:13 (192.168.100.47)
> root pts/36   2025-03-27 21:48 (192.168.100.47)
> charles@hawk:~$
>
> On trixie who (GNU coreutils 9.5) gives me a long list of logins, most
> of which predate the most recent reboot. "who -u", similarly.
>

On my Trixie system `who --users` only provides a carriage return and
prints no information. 'who -a' only prints the last boot time. Seems like
who is seriously broken.


>
> How do I get only the current logins?
>
> Also, who on bookworm works fine with no arguments. who on bookworm
> requires the file to use in order to get any useful output at all,
> e.g.: "who -Hu /var/log/wtmp". This might be a bug.
>
> Finally, I see that bug #798910, "coreutils: /usr/bin/who --lookup does
> not look up ip addresses in dns", is still outstanding and a bit
> annoying. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798910
>
> Thank you.
>
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Who: Bookworm v. Trixie

[Charles Curley]

On bookworm who (GNU coreutils 9.1) operates more or less as I have
expected it to operate for several decades: it prints current logins.
E.g.:

charles@hawk:~$ who
charles  tty7 2025-03-30 11:31 (:0)
charles  pts/35   2025-03-27 20:13 (192.168.100.47)
root pts/36   2025-03-27 21:48 (192.168.100.47)
charles@hawk:~$

On trixie who (GNU coreutils 9.5) gives me a long list of logins, most
of which predate the most recent reboot. "who -u", similarly.

How do I get only the current logins?

Also, who on bookworm works fine with no arguments. who on bookworm
requires the file to use in order to get any useful output at all,
e.g.: "who -Hu /var/log/wtmp". This might be a bug.

Finally, I see that bug #798910, "coreutils: /usr/bin/who --lookup does
not look up ip addresses in dns", is still outstanding and a bit
annoying. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798910

Thank you.

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Re: Failed unmounting disk mes. on every restart

[Max Nikulin]

On 30/03/2025 21:52, J wrote:
Also, is there a way to see these messages on black screen during reboot 
in the system logs somehow?


i can't find it in

journalctl -b1 -r


Do timestamps in the output match the moment when you experienced the 
issue? I would expect "-b -1" rather than "-b1", however the latter 
still may be valid.



вс, 30 мар. 2025 г. в 17:35, J
Now it doesn't stuck trying to unmount it for a minute, but still i
see the error warning


Systemd waits for some service completion.


Of course, as expected *if i close all the apps* and processes which
use these partitions, *there is no error*.


There was a thread describing similar symptoms (no solution though)

Vincent Lefevre. timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL. Wed, 29 
May 2024 02:44:02 +0200.

https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20240529004402.ga6...@qaa.vinc17.org

Once I saw similar symptom with shutdown delayed by xdg-document-portal. 
It might be caused by chromium. Usually I close all apps before 
shutdown, and I was not motivated to debug further. I have no idea what 
part ignored systemd signal: xdg-document-portal or chromium.

Re: OT: Connect two computers with linux with wlan, but without any router

[David Wright]

On Sun 30 Mar 2025 at 15:40:07 (+0200), Hans wrote:
> > What new hop? You said you had the setup:
> > 
> >   hostA≡E--cat5/6--cable--∃≡hostB
> 
> no, I have no cable setup, I just said, I know, how to setup when using a 
> cable. Maybe I did not use the correct English idiom...

Yes, I obviously misunderstood your statement "it is working
with ethernet cable and crossover-cable."

> > Assuming that hostA can configure its wifi as an access point,
> > then you replace the cable with:
> > 
> >   hostAP≡∈  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ∋≡hostB
> 
> That is, what I wanted to do.

> Then use NGINX with RTMP-module listening on its standard port and streaming 
> with RTMP from Computer A to Computer B to the standard port. 
> 
> Everything without any AP or router between.
> 
> The stream can then be made visible with VLC or OBS on Computer B.
> 
> That is the plan, and as litle as possible between the two computers.

> > If you can do it via ad-hoc networking, that's fine by me.
> > The benefit of the method above is that you only have to
> > reconfigure one host, A, and leave B untouched: B knows how
> > to connect to an AP, so you can focus all your attention
> > on getting hostA to work, and test it with any normal wifi
> > device that happens to be on hand.
> 
> I do not know, if that is possible with wlan at all. However, it looks like I 
> am always have to use an AP on one of the computers (as other users told). 

I didn't say you couldn't do it with ad-hoc networking—I just said
that I couldn't see any benefit because, as I see it, you effectively
have a base station in hostA. (I'm obviously guessing that hostB might
be the drone.) So you configure hostB to find and connect to a fixed
AP, just as most hosts do in a home network: in this case, it's hostA
rather than a router. And hostA just waits for hostB to connect to it.

> I intend to build a full preconfigurated livefile system based on debian, so 
> that people with Windows-computers can boot it in the fields and can use it.
> 
> But - this will be a long way.

Cheers,
David.

Re: web browser recommendation

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 7:02 PM Marc Shapiro  wrote:

> I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the lack
> of anything to replace Video Download Helper.  Am I missing something?
> Is there a way to download YouTube videos in Brave, or do I stick with
> Firefox?
>

You may want to try out KDE's Falkon Web Browser. It is fast. It comes with
ad blocking. Cosmetically it looks good in KDE.


>
> Marc
>
>
> On 3/6/25 1:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 21:50:27 +0100, KISER JD wrote:
> >> The Chromium-based browsers will soon lose many adblock capabilities
> due to Manifest V3.
> >>
> > When I updated google-chrome-stable the other day, it informed me
> > that it was disabling uBlock Origin.  Thus began my own search for
> > some answers.  I'd never even *heard* of Manifest until that moment,
> > so I was starting from square zero.
> >
> > (Short answer: Manifest is a sort of browser extension API.  It defines
> > what capabilities an extension may use.  Google is phasing out version 2
> > of the Manifest API in favor of version 3, which offers fewer features.)
> >
> > However, I don't use a lot of extensions, and uBlock Origin was the
> > only one that was disabled by the upgrade.  For me, the question wasn't
> > really "How can I get uBlock Origin to work again?"  I mean, it's a
> > great extension, and I loved having it.  The real question, though, was
> > "How do I get ad blocking to work again?"
> >
> > Because, let's face it, the Web without an ad blocker is just not a
> > pleasant experience at all.
> >
> > One of the possible answers was to switch to "uBlock Origin Lite",
> > which is less capable (it can't "phone home" to update its block lists
> > because Manifest v3 doesn't permit that), but may still be good enough
> > for most people.
> >
> > Another answer is to use Firefox.  In my case, I'm already doing that.
> > I run both Firefox *and* Chrome (up until the other day), with one set
> > of tabs in Firefox, and another set in Chrome.  So, I was looking for
> > a replacement for Chrome that isn't Firefox.
> >
> > I ended up installing Brave.  Sure, it's Chromium-based, and it will
> > eventually drop support for Manifest v2 extensions, including uBlock
> > Origin (even though it's supported right now).  But it has its own
> > built-in ad blocking *by default*, so you don't actually *need* uBlock
> > Origin to have a satisfactory environment.
> >
> > I urge people to investigate the various browsers that are out there
> > and choose for themselves.  Everyone's needs are different, so it's
> > good that there are multiple choices available.
> >
>
>

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Re: OT: Connect two computers with linux with wlan, but without any router

[debian-user]

Timothy M Butterworth  wrote:

[snip] 

> If you make the storage server the access point

What storage server?
I thought this was about live video display from a drone?