Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mario Marietto wrote:
> What I haven't understood well is if, in your opinion, this "code" is well
> written or not :
>
> menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux Custom (kernel 5.10.0-18-amd64)" {
>   linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true 
> initrd=/live/initrd.gz boot=live components locales=en_US.UTF-8 quiet splash 
> "${loopback}"
>  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz

I doubt that "APPEND" and "initrd=/live/initrd.gz" are appropriate.

As already stated, "APPEND" is a SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX configuration directive
  https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config#APPEND
But you use it as argument to GRUB2's "linux" command, from where i
expect it to become a Linux kernel argument which is not a defined
kernel option.

"initrd=/live/initrd.gz" is a Linux kernel option:
  https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/initrd.html
This (quite old) document promises that Linux will try to unpack the
cpio image into the RAM disk. But there is no file /live/initrd.gz in the
ISO.

"initrd" in an own line and without "=" is the GRUB2 command to specify
one or more initial ramdisks:
  https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#initrd

Neither "APPEND" nor an "initrd=" kernel option are to see in the original
GRUB2 configuration of debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso .
So i assume they sneaked in while you were tinkering around with various
inspirations from the internet and came to a ISOLINUX configuration
example.
I advise to try whether your GRUB2 configuration works as well if you
omit them.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
I've removed the "APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true"
parameter(s) from the live menu entry,even because it makes no sense to
keep it. The live system does not imply that the user can choose some
parameters. It is not an installer at all,all parameters have been decided
from the beginning. But I've kept it on the graphical debian installer. In
Fact it is already used on the original ISO,as you can see below :

menuentry "Graphical Debian Installer" {
  linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
}

As you can see some parameters have been already appended  by default by
the debian developers. So I assume that different parameters than those can
be appended. So,it becomes like this :

menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
  linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true
video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz

Does it make more sense ?

Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 10:15 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > What I haven't understood well is if, in your opinion, this "code" is
> well
> > written or not :
> >
> > menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux Custom (kernel 5.10.0-18-amd64)" {
> >   linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> auto=true initrd=/live/initrd.gz boot=live components locales=en_US.UTF-8
> quiet splash "${loopback}"
> >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
>
> I doubt that "APPEND" and "initrd=/live/initrd.gz" are appropriate.
>
> As already stated, "APPEND" is a SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX configuration directive
>   https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config#APPEND
> But you use it as argument to GRUB2's "linux" command, from where i
> expect it to become a Linux kernel argument which is not a defined
> kernel option.
>
> "initrd=/live/initrd.gz" is a Linux kernel option:
>   https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/initrd.html
> This (quite old) document promises that Linux will try to unpack the
> cpio image into the RAM disk. But there is no file /live/initrd.gz in the
> ISO.
>
> "initrd" in an own line and without "=" is the GRUB2 command to specify
> one or more initial ramdisks:
>   https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#initrd
>
> Neither "APPEND" nor an "initrd=" kernel option are to see in the original
> GRUB2 configuration of debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso .
> So i assume they sneaked in while you were tinkering around with various
> inspirations from the internet and came to a ISOLINUX configuration
> example.
> I advise to try whether your GRUB2 configuration works as well if you
> omit them.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

> menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
>   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true 
> video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
>  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
>
> Does it make more sense ?

In the interest of future readers who seek the same solution as you, i am
much in favor of making only the necessary changes.

But still i stumble over the argument "APPEND".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
ok. If you don't like to append,tell me what you would like to do because I
didn't understand.

Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 13:07 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> > menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
> >   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> auto=true video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
> >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
> >
> > Does it make more sense ?
>
> In the interest of future readers who seek the same solution as you, i am
> much in favor of making only the necessary changes.
>
> But still i stumble over the argument "APPEND".
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2022 00:08:35 -03 Maude Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there so user of the mailing list who operate or have interest in
> MUD style services ? Or even who have some knowledge of solutions
> using Unix/Linux based BBS ?
>
> I'd like to setup such service.
> Thanks

I'm afraid I can't help here because I know what a BBS is but cannot for the 
life of me
decipher MUD.
This was neither of any help:

https://www.acronymfinder.com/MUD.html[1]
But I know what AQUUA is.

Have a nice day

--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP6CGE



[1] https://www.acronymfinder.com/MUD.html


Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 08:57:28AM -0300, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2022 00:08:35 -03 Maude Summerside wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Is there so user of the mailing list who operate or have interest in
> > MUD style services ? Or even who have some knowledge of solutions
> > using Unix/Linux based BBS ?
> >
> > I'd like to setup such service.
> > Thanks
> 
> I'm afraid I can't help here because I know what a BBS is but cannot for the 
> life of me
> decipher MUD.

Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.

http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html

The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text adventure
setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.



Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread mick.crane

On 2022-10-13 13:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:


Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.

http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html

The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text 
adventure

setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.


"up"
"you cannot go that way"
"drop cloak".
"Your wings unfurl"



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mario Marietto wrote:
> > > menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
> > >   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg 
> > > auto=true video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
> > >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
> > >
> > > Does it make more sense ?

I wrote:
> > still i stumble over the argument "APPEND".

> ok. If you don't like to append,tell me what you would like to do because I
> didn't understand.

Simply remove the argument "APPEND" and then try whether your modified ISO
still does what you expect from it.

(As said, i think you carried it from an ISOLINUX example to the GRUB2
 configuration file, were it is not especially interpreted by GRUB2 but
 forwarded as kernel option to vmlinuz. There i expect it to be ignored.
 But i also expect it to be mistaken as essential by people who are in
 the same situation as you were a week ago and searching the web for
 solutions.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2022 10:30:36 -03 mick.crane wrote:
> On 2022-10-13 13:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.
> >
> > http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html
> >
> > The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text
> > adventure
> > setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.
>
> "up"
> "you cannot go that way"
> "drop cloak".
> "Your wings unfurl"

OK, OK, I understand now. Now I definitely can't help.
Apologies that my frustration hit Maude, the OP. It's a general thing with 
mailinglists,
Usenet, fora and blogs.

This is what I wanted to express:
When writing for a global audience ...

https://www.simultrans.com/blog/avoiding-acronyms-and-abbreviations-when-writing-content-for-translation[1]
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/alienating-the-audience-how-abbreviations-hamper-scientific-communication[2]

All the best
and have a nice day

--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP6CGE
Asuncion / Paraguay



[1] 
https://www.simultrans.com/blog/avoiding-acronyms-and-abbreviations-when-writing-content-for-translation
[2] 
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/alienating-the-audience-how-abbreviations-hamper-scientific-communication


Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
If I remove the argument APPEND,the only other chance that I have to pass
the preseed file is to add it inside the initrd file. But this is not the
official method suggested by the cubic developers. If you will read on the
preseed tab on cubic you will see that they suggest to prefix the preseed
file with the word "cdrom" in the boot configuration. This seems to be
exactly what I'm doing. And I don't understand why you are talking about
ISOLINUX,when I have added the preseed file in another folder,in the
/boot/grub.cfg file...and I told you that the preseed file is not ignored
anymore from since I have added it on the grub.cfg file.

Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 16:27 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > > > menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
> > > >   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> auto=true video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
> > > >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
> > > >
> > > > Does it make more sense ?
>
> I wrote:
> > > still i stumble over the argument "APPEND".
>
> > ok. If you don't like to append,tell me what you would like to do
> because I
> > didn't understand.
>
> Simply remove the argument "APPEND" and then try whether your modified ISO
> still does what you expect from it.
>
> (As said, i think you carried it from an ISOLINUX example to the GRUB2
>  configuration file, were it is not especially interpreted by GRUB2 but
>  forwarded as kernel option to vmlinuz. There i expect it to be ignored.
>  But i also expect it to be mistaken as essential by people who are in
>  the same situation as you were a week ago and searching the web for
>  solutions.)
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Maude Summerside



On 2022-10-13 08:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 08:57:28AM -0300, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote:
>> On Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2022 00:08:35 -03 Maude Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Is there so user of the mailing list who operate or have interest in
>>> MUD style services ? Or even who have some knowledge of solutions
>>> using Unix/Linux based BBS ?
>>>
>>> I'd like to setup such service.
>>> Thanks
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't help here because I know what a BBS is but cannot for
 the life of me
>> decipher MUD.
> 
> Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.
Exactly what I'm talking about
> 
> http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html
> 
> The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text adventure
> setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.
> 

Haven't changed much, except maybe some bugfix.
Tinymux (as in the eponym Debian package), a MuSH derivative seems to be 
still in used for the MUDs I've seen in the open.

So be it called a BBS or another version called a MUD, I'm looking for 
people who have interest or experience in such system.

I've found out that WWIV got ported to POSIX compatible OS and now runs 
completely under Linux, same goes for Synchronet BBS.

There's Mystic BBS but didn't find source code.
And there's the closed source BBBS (made in Finland).

If someone still have some DOS doors laying around, those could be cool 
to setup too. I've checked out the manuals and it's not so hard.

So this is a open request to anyone who'd like to cooperate on this 
project or just share ideas.

I'm also planning to build packages for all the software needed and made 
them Debian Policy compliant if possible. For sure software like BBS 
doors that are still copyrighted to original authors and not release in 
the "free world" is not included here. I'm talking mostly about the 
server software needed.

Thanks to all

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2022-10-13 at 17:02 +0200, Mario Marietto wrote:
> If I remove the argument APPEND,the only other chance that I have to pass
> the preseed file is to add it inside the initrd file.

What effect do we think the word 'APPEND' below is having in the grub
config file?

  menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux Custom (kernel 5.10.0-18-amd64)" {
 linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true 
initrd=/live/initrd.gz boot=live components locales=en_US.UTF-8 quiet splash 
"${loopback}"
 initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz

I beleive Thomas (and me) think that 'APPEND' is the first argument on
the command-line passed to the linux kernel when it boots, and that
there isn't anything that will parse and act on that.

The second argument is "file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg" and presumably
there is something running after the kernel boots that will act on
that.

Thomas was saying that the word "APPEND" looks superfluous and seems to
have been copied from an example config file for ISOLINUX, not Grub.
Looking at the wiki for ISOLINUX config [1], the "APPEND" command will
append the arguments to the kernel command-line.

[1] https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Directives/append

-- 
Tixy

> 



Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Will Mengarini
* Greg Wooledge  [22-10/13=Th 08:03 -0400]:
>> Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.
>> 
>> http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html
>> 
>> The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text
>> adventure setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.

* mick.crane  [22-10/13=Th 14:30 +0100]:
> "up"
> "you cannot go that way"
> "drop cloak".
> "Your wings unfurl"

This looks like a few minutes of fun:
https://github.com/SlimeQ/mud-shell



Re: MUD

2022-10-13 Thread Maude Summerside



On 2022-10-13 09:30, mick.crane wrote:
> On 2022-10-13 13:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
>> Originally, Multi-User Dungeon.
>>
>> http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/M/MUD.html
>>
>> The one that I saw was set up as a sort of user-extensible text adventure
>> setting.  I don't know how they've evolved since then.
> 
> "up"
> "you cannot go that way"
> "drop cloak".
> "Your wings unfurl"
> 
Exactly :)
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



Re: debugging apt-get

2022-10-13 Thread David Wright
On Wed 12 Oct 2022 at 16:42:10 (-0700), Stefan Seefeld wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 01:10:06 UTC-4, tomas wrote:
> 
> > Try doing "apt-cache policy Y", that might shed light on this.
> 
> This reports
> ```
> Y:
>  Installed: (none)
>  Candidate: 1.0.3
>  Version table:
> 1.0.3 500
>500  focal/main amd64 Packages
> 1.0.1 500
>500  focal/main amd64 Packages
> ```
> 
> > > (I'm running on Ubuntu 20.04, using apt-get=2.0.6)
> > (Isn't there a Ubuntu mailing list, btw? They might be doing funny stuff 
> > with their packaging which perhaps change the problem space) 
> 
> The repo is actually our own in-house repo (managed via artifactory).
> Are there any clear semantic rules spelled out in some document that govern 
> what should happen ? I'm surprised that if my package "X" has specific and 
> unambiguous dependencies on an existing package "Y", and that version exists 
> in the repo, it should be installed. Am I missing something ?
> 
> Is this an `apt-get` bug ? Is there any way to debug this further ?
> (For a specific case I can work around the issue by injecting an explicit 
> `apt-get install` command, but this is of course not a scalable solution for 
> the general case.)

Can we check your package's control file, by your typing:

$ ar --output=/tmp/ -x your-X-package.deb control.tar.xz ; zcat 
/tmp/control.tar.xz

to see what X instructs apt to do.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mario Marietto wrote:
> ... > menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
> ... >   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
auto=true video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
> ... >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz

> If I remove the argument APPEND,the only other chance that I have to pass
> the preseed file is to add it inside the initrd file.

To my understanding this passing is achieved by argument
   file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
with no need for a preceeding argument "APPEND".


> If you will read on the preseed tab on cubic

For that i'd need to know where this tab is.


> they suggest to prefix the preseed
> file with the word "cdrom" in the boot configuration.

If it works for you then it's a good hint for others.


> And I don't understand why you are talking about ISOLINUX,

Because "APPEND" in a separate line is a SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX configuration
directive and because you wrote on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 23:17:39 +0200:

> ... > I'm trying to modify them as follows :
> ... > isolinux/menu.cfg
> ... > LABEL English (en)
> ... >   SAY "Booting English (en)..."
> ... >   linux /live/vmlinuz boot=casper APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg

This is the configuration file for ISOLINUX which boots on legacy BIOS.

(I think it is wrong by not giving APPEND an own line, so that ISOLINUX
 would recognize it as configuration directive. See
   https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config
)


On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:02:47 +0200 you wrote:
> ... > I would like to be helped by Thomas,because I trust
> ... > in his high level of skills.

Now i want to improve my skills by learning what exactly did the
trick for you. So i ask for the favor that you test whether "APPEND" is
needed for success.
(And further i ask for the favor to give me a link to that Cubic preseed
 documentation.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



crash with wine and nvidia-driver

2022-10-13 Thread Hans
Hi folks,

maybe someone got into the same problem as me and can help.

I am using a laptop with a graphic chip in the intel-cpu and an extern graphic 
card from NVidia. The nvidia chip is an NVS4200M and running with kernel 
module *legacy-340xx*

Yes, I know, NVidia and also Debian says, it shall be *-legacy-390xx-*, but 
390xx will not run. 

340xx is well running, and "primusrun glxgears -info" is telling, the kernel 
is loaded and it is the nvidia kernel/module.

But that should not be our problem.

My issue is, that starting ANY wine application (like a game or something 
else) using "primusrun wine bla.exe" is turning ito a segfault.

As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are 
crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the 
relationship between wine and nvidia-driver.

Please note: Running all these applications without primusrun or optirun, so 
using the internal graphic chip, everything is running, but slow.

I read in many forums, but whenever thisissue appears, the writers are always 
pointing to a special game or application, but (maybe) did not recognize, this 
is a general issue.

The system running here is debian/stable and I know, the wine version is 
rather old (version 5, the actual one is version 7.x), but I personally 
believe, this should not amtter, as the nvidia driver 340xx is old, too.

Note beside: 390xx and 340xx can not be build any more, as the kernel-header-
files or the compiler had changed since 5.10.12,  some files are missing. 
There is already a bugreport related to this by me.
(Luckily I have a package as backup available).

I do not know, where to look any more and how to discover, what is happening. 
Tried starting using strace, but this did not show me any usefull output.

So, I hope, someone might got into the same issue, too, and could fix it.

Any help is welcome.

Thank you very much!

Best regards

Hans





running outdated software (was: crash with wine and nvidia-driver)

2022-10-13 Thread DdB
Am 13.10.2022 um 18:43 schrieb Hans:
> Hi folks,
> 
> maybe someone got into the same problem as me and can help.

Well, i cannot help. Sorry

But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old
recipe to "never change a working system". The only thing, that i am
doing is to separate different configurations into virtual machines,
where i still am able to run Windows XP (as an example). Intentionally i
am accepting to fall back in time, if the alternatove is to deal with
buggy software or combinations thereof.

Only recently, i discovered, that one of my long-living problems that
had me stay with a 6 year old software combination is no longer present
in a more recent software stack. In order to find out such changes, i
HAVE TO check the functionality of more recent releases from time to
time, which - in order to ensure proper isolation from my main system -
requires a second bootable copy of the main OS.

Long story short: I suggest you create alternatives in order to check
more recent software. Because not only your situation tennds to evolve
into a more and more unique corner case, but also you lose touch to the
cutting edge of developers, who would not be interested to fix past
problems, as there is practically no merit in doing so.

Another example of mine: I did stay with firefox-esr from 2 years ago,
in order of being able to use plugins, that had not yet been transformed
to the new mozilla doctrine. But after some time, i found another
combination of plugins fulfilling my needs just as well as the old ones
did, so i decided to jump to a more recent version of the fox. It is not
such a bright idea to be stubborn and sticking to the older versions,
among ther reasons: because i would have turned onto the only one
(world-wide) using that specific software stack, thus having a unique
fingerprint and killing anonymity...

I suggest not clinging to your specific software combo too frenetically.

But i am sharing your sort of trouble more or less regularly and thus
feel with you.

best of luck, DdB

> As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are 
> crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the 
> relationship between wine and nvidia-driver.

My own experiences with wine were not all that pleasant. Nowadays, i try
to avoid it as best as i can, nuked all the places, where i had
integrated it into my regular system usage.

> (...) 
> So, I hope, someone might got into the same issue, too, and could fix it.
> 
> Any help is welcome.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Hans



Fw: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

2022-10-13 Thread lists tomgeorge . info


From: lists tomgeorge.info
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:13 AM
To: debianu...@lists.debain.org 
Subject: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

The company hosting my domain name has forced a switch to microsoft outlook. No 
longer supports pop3 protocol.

Result: Thunderbird frozen, all address list lost.

outlook works, must log on for each email account, does not seem to link 
responses by subject.

I would like to switch to new host which can use thunderbird

Any suggestions


Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread James H. H. Lampert

On 10/13/22 11:05 AM, DdB wrote:


But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old
recipe to "never change a working system".
I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the process of 
configuring and loading a replacement for a worn-out DOSbook. And I 
still run Xerox Ventura Publisher, DOS/GEM Edition, WordPerfect 5.1+, 
and Quattro on it.


There's a BBS for this: it's called the Vintage Computer Federation.

--
JHHL



Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread DdB
Am 13.10.2022 um 20:12 schrieb James H. H. Lampert:
> I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box.

Ok, one of my best achievements: Setup an old DOS game (pango.exe),
which had its execution coupled to the system clock of an old 8086. I
found an emulator able to slow its execution on current hardware down.
Only todays OS cannot handle the keybuffer just the way old DOS (2.11)
did and thus it is no longer possible to key in movements in advance
properly. :-( Fun is spoiled anyhow. :-(



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
You are right. It works without using the APPEND option,like this : (inside
the file grub.cfg)

menuentry "Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
  linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true
video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
}

anyway,I don't know if it's correct to use something like this in the
ISOLINUX/menu.cfg file :

LABEL Custom Graphical Debian Installer
  SAY "Booting Custom Graphical Debian Installer..."
  linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
  APPEND boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true
initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788

the APPEND parameter that you see was there by default. Is that correct ?
Otherwise,is something like this ok ?

linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
auto=true initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788


Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 18:00 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > ... > menuentry "Debian Custom Graphical Debian Installer" {
> > ... >   linux  /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> auto=true video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
> > ... >  initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
>
> > If I remove the argument APPEND,the only other chance that I have to pass
> > the preseed file is to add it inside the initrd file.
>
> To my understanding this passing is achieved by argument
>file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> with no need for a preceeding argument "APPEND".
>
>
> > If you will read on the preseed tab on cubic
>
> For that i'd need to know where this tab is.
>
>
> > they suggest to prefix the preseed
> > file with the word "cdrom" in the boot configuration.
>
> If it works for you then it's a good hint for others.
>
>
> > And I don't understand why you are talking about ISOLINUX,
>
> Because "APPEND" in a separate line is a SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX configuration
> directive and because you wrote on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 23:17:39 +0200:
>
> > ... > I'm trying to modify them as follows :
> > ... > isolinux/menu.cfg
> > ... > LABEL English (en)
> > ... >   SAY "Booting English (en)..."
> > ... >   linux /live/vmlinuz boot=casper APPEND
> file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
>
> This is the configuration file for ISOLINUX which boots on legacy BIOS.
>
> (I think it is wrong by not giving APPEND an own line, so that ISOLINUX
>  would recognize it as configuration directive. See
>https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config
> )
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:02:47 +0200 you wrote:
> > ... > I would like to be helped by Thomas,because I trust
> > ... > in his high level of skills.
>
> Now i want to improve my skills by learning what exactly did the
> trick for you. So i ask for the favor that you test whether "APPEND" is
> needed for success.
> (And further i ask for the favor to give me a link to that Cubic preseed
>  documentation.)
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: Fw: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

2022-10-13 Thread Frank

On 2022-10-13 10:32, lists tomgeorge.info wrote:



*From:* lists tomgeorge.info
*Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:13 AM
*To:* debianu...@lists.debain.org 
*Subject:* Forced to Purge Thunderbird
The company hosting my domain name has forced a switch to microsoft 
outlook. No longer supports pop3 protocol.


Result: Thunderbird frozen, all address list lost.

outlook works, must log on for each email account, does not seem to 
link responses by subject.


I would like to switch to new host which can use thunderbird

Any suggestions


Do they not support IMAP ? If they do Thunderbird handles IMAP on
my machine with no problems.

Frank

Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mario Marietto wrote:
> You are right. It works without using the APPEND option

Yeah. Once again guessed right. :))


> I don't know if it's correct to use something like this in the
ISOLINUX/menu.cfg file :
> LABEL Custom Graphical Debian Installer
>   SAY "Booting Custom Graphical Debian Installer..."
>   linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
>   APPEND boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true 
> initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788

(I think there is again a surplus "append" in the "APPEND" line.)

Let's read
  https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config

  "APPEND options...
   Add one or more options to the kernel command line. These are added
   to both, automatic and manual boots. The options are added at the
   very beginning of the kernel command line, usually permitting
   explicitly-entered kernel options to override them. This is the
   equivalent of the LILO "append" option.
   ...
   LINUX image
   Load image as a Linux-like kernel. MEMDISK is an example of a non-Linux
   kernel loaded in a Linux-like fashion."

So with ISOLINUX, one has to add the kernel arguments by APPEND and the
initrd by kernel argument "initrd=".
With GRUB2 one adds the kernel arguments to the "linux" command line but
the initrd is specified by a separate "initrd" command.
(Further there are still Legacy GRUB configuration examples around
 in files named "menu.lst".)


> Otherwise,is something like this ok ?
> linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true 
> initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788

Only if i ignore the surplus "append". :))

Then i stumble over "boot=casper".
The text
  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
does not list a "boot=" option.
It might be that some software in the Live ISO looks into something like
the pseudo-file
  /proc/cmdline
and acts if it finds "boot=casper" in the content of line "BOOT_IMAGE=".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread paulf
Folks:

This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to search
the archives for it.

I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
(you could do a NAS with a PC).

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
Is it like this ?

LABEL Custom Graphical Debian Installer
  SAY "Booting Custom Graphical Debian Installer..."
  linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
  APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true
initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788

anyway,using another append shouldn't be wrong because the debian
developers used,not me,in this way :

LABEL Graphical Debian Installer
  SAY "Booting Graphical Debian Installer..."
  linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
  APPEND initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788

but it is also true that here they have omitted it :

LABEL Debian Installer with Speech Synthesis
  SAY "Booting Debian Installer with Speech Synthesis..."
  linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
  APPEND initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz speakup.synth=soft

so,I don't know. Maybe both the solutions should be ok.

Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 21:17 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > You are right. It works without using the APPEND option
>
> Yeah. Once again guessed right. :))
>
>
> > I don't know if it's correct to use something like this in the
> ISOLINUX/menu.cfg file :
> > LABEL Custom Graphical Debian Installer
> >   SAY "Booting Custom Graphical Debian Installer..."
> >   linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz
> >   APPEND boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg auto=true
> initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788
>
> (I think there is again a surplus "append" in the "APPEND" line.)
>
> Let's read
>   https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config
>
>   "APPEND options...
>Add one or more options to the kernel command line. These are added
>to both, automatic and manual boots. The options are added at the
>very beginning of the kernel command line, usually permitting
>explicitly-entered kernel options to override them. This is the
>equivalent of the LILO "append" option.
>...
>LINUX image
>Load image as a Linux-like kernel. MEMDISK is an example of a non-Linux
>kernel loaded in a Linux-like fashion."
>
> So with ISOLINUX, one has to add the kernel arguments by APPEND and the
> initrd by kernel argument "initrd=".
> With GRUB2 one adds the kernel arguments to the "linux" command line but
> the initrd is specified by a separate "initrd" command.
> (Further there are still Legacy GRUB configuration examples around
>  in files named "menu.lst".)
>
>
> > Otherwise,is something like this ok ?
> > linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz boot=casper file=/cdrom/preseed/preseed.cfg
> auto=true initrd=/d-i/gtk/initrd.gz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788
>
> Only if i ignore the surplus "append". :))
>
> Then i stumble over "boot=casper".
> The text
>   https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
> does not list a "boot=" option.
> It might be that some software in the Live ISO looks into something like
> the pseudo-file
>   /proc/cmdline
> and acts if it finds "boot=casper" in the content of line "BOOT_IMAGE=".
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread Dan Ritter
pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> Folks:
> 
> This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to search
> the archives for it.
> 
> I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
> Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
> (you could do a NAS with a PC).
> 
> Any suggestions would be helpful.

What does "cheap" mean to you?

What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?

-dsr-



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mario Marietto wrote:
> anyway,using another append shouldn't be wrong because the debian developers
> used,not me,in this way

Oh. In this case we should not bet against their wisdom.

If it is by mistake, then it is harmless and heavily tested during the
last years.
(Regrettably i have not many old Live ISOs and half of them are "standard",
 i.e. without GUI. I see the line with the unexplained "append" in
 debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso .
 Maybe one of the subscribed DDs has nostalgic memories from the time when
 the graphic installer was introduced ?)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: Some of the parameters used in my genisoimage command don't produce a bootable ISO image

2022-10-13 Thread Mario Marietto
😂

Il giorno gio 13 ott 2022 alle ore 22:35 Thomas Schmitt 
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > anyway,using another append shouldn't be wrong because the debian
> developers
> > used,not me,in this way
>
> Oh. In this case we should not bet against their wisdom.
>
> If it is by mistake, then it is harmless and heavily tested during the
> last years.
> (Regrettably i have not many old Live ISOs and half of them are "standard",
>  i.e. without GUI. I see the line with the unexplained "append" in
>  debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso .
>  Maybe one of the subscribed DDs has nostalgic memories from the time when
>  the graphic installer was introduced ?)
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

-- 
Mario.


Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread Bret Busby

On 14/10/22 04:10, Dan Ritter wrote:

pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:

Folks:

This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to search
the archives for it.

I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
(you could do a NAS with a PC).

Any suggestions would be helpful.


What does "cheap" mean to you?

What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?

-dsr-



And, as it is hardware that is sought, What is the location?

What is available in one country, might not be available in another country.

And, what may be not "hugely expensive" in one country, may be 
otherwise, in another country.


Like the friendly little robot (Number four?), is known for saying, 
"More input!"


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..




Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread Felix Miata
James H. H. Lampert composed on 2022-10-13 11:12 (UTC-0700):

> DdB wrote:

>> But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old
>> recipe to "never change a working system".

> I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the process of 
> configuring and loading a replacement for a worn-out DOSbook. And I 
> still run Xerox Ventura Publisher, DOS/GEM Edition, WordPerfect 5.1+, 
> and Quattro on it.

I don't just /have/ "DOS" boxes, I have one running OS/2 virtually 24/7 for the
primary purpose of running Quattro Pro, where all my important personal data 
lives
isolated from the internet, using ATI's proprietary SVGA text 132x43 (800x600)
mode that no newer GPU or OS I have found supports. I boot PC DOS directly on it
on occasion, such as the unusual case of both yesterday and the day before more
than once each.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata



Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread paulf
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:10:46 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

> pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> > Folks:
> > 
> > This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to
> > search the archives for it.
> > 
> > I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
> > Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
> > (you could do a NAS with a PC).
> > 
> > Any suggestions would be helpful.
> 
> What does "cheap" mean to you?

$200 to $300 would be nice, but the cheaper the better. Some of the more
well known NASes cost $500 to $1000, which is excessive for a box with
CPU and some drive bays.

> 
> What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?
> 

The power and space requirements for even a mini-tower case are
excessive for this application. A NUC form factor would work, but they
don't have four or more SATA ports.

Actually, the most important requirement is that I can install my own
Linux OS on it, rather than put up with some proprietary NAS software.


Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster



Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread paulf
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 04:43:59 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 14/10/22 04:10, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> >> Folks:
> >>
> >> This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to
> >> search the archives for it.
> >>
> >> I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
> >> Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a
> >> PC (you could do a NAS with a PC).
> >>
> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> > 
> > What does "cheap" mean to you?
> > 
> > What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?
> > 
> > -dsr-
> > 
> 
> And, as it is hardware that is sought, What is the location?
> 
> What is available in one country, might not be available in another
> country.
> 
> And, what may be not "hugely expensive" in one country, may be 
> otherwise, in another country.
> 
> Like the friendly little robot (Number four?), is known for saying, 
> "More input!"
> 

Fair points, Mate.

Location: U.S. Other countries would involve excessive shipping and
delays.


Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster



Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev

On 14.10.2022 00:23, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:

Folks:

This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to search
the archives for it.

I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
(you could do a NAS with a PC).

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Paul

If you are looking for a "ready-to-go" NAS appliance, then I recommend 
to look for Synology products.
Their DS value and DS plus series are based on relatively good hardware 
and have stable software/firmware with too many features and options.
2-4 bay variants with 1Gb Ethernet ports are very inexpensive and IMO 
perfect for SOHO.


That is if you are not on an adventure to build your own NAS, of course. :)
And if you are, then prices, for anything not ATX, with small 
form-factors and custom cases, would be too high.


--
With kindest regards, Alexander.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄


Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread basti

Am 13.10.22 um 23:34 schrieb pa...@quillandmouse.com:

Actually, the most important requirement is that I can install my own
Linux OS on it, rather than put up with some proprietary NAS software.


Paul


Have a look to NAS boxes with x86/ amd64 CPU should be a good choice to 
get it working. ARM boxes are too differently, even within the same 
manufacturer.




Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread Dan Ritter
pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:10:46 -0400
> Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> > pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> > > Folks:
> > > 
> > > This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to
> > > search the archives for it.
> > > 
> > > I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
> > > Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
> > > (you could do a NAS with a PC).
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions would be helpful.
> > 
> > What does "cheap" mean to you?
> 
> $200 to $300 would be nice, but the cheaper the better. Some of the more
> well known NASes cost $500 to $1000, which is excessive for a box with
> CPU and some drive bays.
> 
> > 
> > What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?
> > 
> 
> The power and space requirements for even a mini-tower case are
> excessive for this application. A NUC form factor would work, but they
> don't have four or more SATA ports.
> 
> Actually, the most important requirement is that I can install my own
> Linux OS on it, rather than put up with some proprietary NAS software.

So what you actually want is the smallest possible system that
will hold 4x3.5" disks and get that through a gigabit NIC, for
less than $300.

You should look for a used HP Microserver. A sufficiently old,
beat-up unit will easily fit into your desires for space and
money.

However, you won't be able to repair much if it goes wrong, and
the power supply is the first thing to go.

In the alternative: here's https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fzq49r

- $255 plus RAM and disks. You can get 16GB and still fit under
  $300.
- 2 core Intel Celeron, will run Debian nicely (or FreeNAS, or
  whatever.)
- Cooler Master 130 mini-ITX case is as small as you can get and still fit 4
  disks. In this instance, 1 x 2.5", 3x 3.5" and a 5.25" slot
  that will fit a fourth 3.5" disk with a $4 adapter.
  15.7" x 9.5" x 8.2"


-dsr-



Re: Fw: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

2022-10-13 Thread David Christensen

On 10/13/22 07:32, lists tomgeorge.info wrote:



From: lists tomgeorge.info
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:13 AM
To: debianu...@lists.debain.org 
Subject: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

The company hosting my domain name has forced a switch to microsoft outlook. No 
longer supports pop3 protocol.

Result: Thunderbird frozen, all address list lost.

outlook works, must log on for each email account, does not seem to link 
responses by subject.

I would like to switch to new host which can use thunderbird

Any suggestions



As another reader suggested, reconfigure Thunderbird to use IMAP:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-pop-imap-account


David



Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread paulf
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:38:54 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

> pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:10:46 -0400
> > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > 
> > > pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: 
> > > > Folks:
> > > > 
> > > > This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to
> > > > search the archives for it.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works
> > > > with Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is
> > > > *not* a PC (you could do a NAS with a PC).
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions would be helpful.
> > > 
> > > What does "cheap" mean to you?
> > 
> > $200 to $300 would be nice, but the cheaper the better. Some of the
> > more well known NASes cost $500 to $1000, which is excessive for a
> > box with CPU and some drive bays.
> > 
> > > 
> > > What does "not a PC" mean to you, and why?
> > > 
> > 
> > The power and space requirements for even a mini-tower case are
> > excessive for this application. A NUC form factor would work, but
> > they don't have four or more SATA ports.
> > 
> > Actually, the most important requirement is that I can install my
> > own Linux OS on it, rather than put up with some proprietary NAS
> > software.
> 
> So what you actually want is the smallest possible system that
> will hold 4x3.5" disks and get that through a gigabit NIC, for
> less than $300.

Well, a NAS with removable bays is pretty sexy IMO. But by the looks of
units made for that purpose, the expense seems a bit excessive.

> 
> You should look for a used HP Microserver. A sufficiently old,
> beat-up unit will easily fit into your desires for space and
> money.
> 

Yikes, those are expensive new. E-Bay prices are much more reasonable.

> However, you won't be able to repair much if it goes wrong, and
> the power supply is the first thing to go.
> 
> In the alternative: here's https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fzq49r
> 
> - $255 plus RAM and disks. You can get 16GB and still fit under
>   $300.
> - 2 core Intel Celeron, will run Debian nicely (or FreeNAS, or
>   whatever.)
> - Cooler Master 130 mini-ITX case is as small as you can get and
> still fit 4 disks. In this instance, 1 x 2.5", 3x 3.5" and a 5.25"
> slot that will fit a fourth 3.5" disk with a $4 adapter.
>   15.7" x 9.5" x 8.2"
> 

Thanks for the link. It's a place to start. I like the case a lot.

Incidentally, the ultimate purpose for this rig is about a thousand
DVDs and Blu-rays. Otherwise, I have no need for this kind of capacity.

Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster



Re: Cheap NAS

2022-10-13 Thread David Christensen

On 10/13/22 12:23, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:

Folks:

This has likely already been covered, but I don't know a way to search
the archives for it.

I'm interested in a desktop NAS with maybe 4 bays, which works with
Linux (and free software), isn't hugely expensive, and is *not* a PC
(you could do a NAS with a PC).

Any suggestions would be helpful.



On 10/13/22 14:34, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:

> $200 to $300 would be nice, but the cheaper the better. Some of the more
> well known NASes cost $500 to $1000, which is excessive for a box with
> CPU and some drive bays.

> The power and space requirements for even a mini-tower case are
> excessive for this application. A NUC form factor would work, but they
> don't have four or more SATA ports.
>
> Actually, the most important requirement is that I can install my own
> Linux OS on it, rather than put up with some proprietary NAS software.


On 10/13/22 14:38, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:

> Location: U.S.


On 10/13/22 17:00, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:38:54 -0400

>> So what you actually want is the smallest possible system that
>> will hold 4x3.5" disks and get that through a gigabit NIC, for
>> less than $300.
>
> Well, a NAS with removable bays is pretty sexy IMO. But by the looks of
> units made for that purpose, the expense seems a bit excessive.
>
>>
>> You should look for a used HP Microserver. A sufficiently old,
>> beat-up unit will easily fit into your desires for space and
>> money.
>>
>
> Yikes, those are expensive new. E-Bay prices are much more reasonable.
>
>> However, you won't be able to repair much if it goes wrong, and
>> the power supply is the first thing to go.
>>
>> In the alternative: here's https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fzq49r
>>
>> - $255 plus RAM and disks. You can get 16GB and still fit under
>>$300.
>> - 2 core Intel Celeron, will run Debian nicely (or FreeNAS, or
>>whatever.)
>> - Cooler Master 130 mini-ITX case is as small as you can get and
>> still fit 4 disks. In this instance, 1 x 2.5", 3x 3.5" and a 5.25"
>> slot that will fit a fourth 3.5" disk with a $4 adapter.
>>15.7" x 9.5" x 8.2"
>>
>
> Thanks for the link. It's a place to start. I like the case a lot.
>
> Incidentally, the ultimate purpose for this rig is about a thousand
> DVDs and Blu-rays. Otherwise, I have no need for this kind of capacity.


Compact and quiet barebone NAS's and HTPC's have premium prices:

https://www.truenas.com/truenas-mini/


Used entry-level servers with internally cabled drives have the 
advantages of low price, server chipsets, server processors, and ECC 
memory.  A key disadvantage is their noise.  My Dell PowerEdge T30 SOHO 
file server has variable speed fans, which are quiet when the machine is 
idle or lightly loaded.  But the 3.5" SATA HDD's snap into plastic 
trays, and the trays snap into steel bays in the steel chassis.  Every 
time a HDD is accessed, the entire chassis acts as a sounding board. 
The noise is acceptable in an office/ workroom setting, but it is 
distracting in a living room or bedroom.  I am in process of migrating 
the role to a new server (below).



My most recent servers are full tower cases with vibration-isolated HDD 
trays, large low-RPM fans, sound-absorbing lining, Platinum efficiency 
power supplies, and used server motherboards, CPU's, and ECC memory. 
They exceed your size and budget goals, but I love them -- server grade 
parts, lots of drive bays, energy efficient, quiet, etc.:


https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-r5/black/

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/power-supplies/ion/ion-2-platinum-660w/black/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154790316843


David



Re: Fw: Forced to Purge Thunderbird

2022-10-13 Thread tomas
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 04:42:41PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:

[...]

> > I would like to switch to new host which can use thunderbird
> > 
> > Any suggestions
> 
> 
> As another reader suggested, reconfigure Thunderbird to use IMAP:

And bribe your sysadmins to enable it in the server.

The last corp I worked in disabled it at some point for...
security reasons.

Administering Exchange seems to be mind-changing.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Missing module in initramfs : haw to know which one, and how to add it.

2022-10-13 Thread Erwan David

Hi,

Some times ago I went from modules=most to modules=dep in initramfs, 
because /boot was too small.


the machine is a laptop usually standalone but from time to time 
connected to a dock with external USB keyboard


Today at boot : external keyboard worked for grub, did not work for 
entering LUKS key, and works once system is started. This I deduce I 
need some supplementary module(s) in the initrd. Is there a way to 
identify those modules and add them ?






Re: Missing module in initramfs : haw to know which one, and how to add it.

2022-10-13 Thread Erwan David

Le 14/10/2022 à 07:18, Erwan David a écrit :

Hi,

Some times ago I went from modules=most to modules=dep in initramfs, 
because /boot was too small.


the machine is a laptop usually standalone but from time to time 
connected to a dock with external USB keyboard


Today at boot : external keyboard worked for grub, did not work for 
entering LUKS key, and works once system is started. This I deduce I 
need some supplementary module(s) in the initrd. Is there a way to 
identify those modules and add them ?





Ok, I did an update-initramfs -v -u with and without the dock, now I 
have a list of modules added for my dock installation. I'll check how to 
force them being in the initrd even if devices are not detected at 
generation time.