Early boot became slower

2017-01-30 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

Mattia Oss:


This can be seen in the 3rd video.


Lisi Reisz:


By you. Not by me - nor apparently by Felix.



It's really simple.  It's the same size monitor.  The "normal" 
characters are high resolution 24-bit colour graphics mode with 8*16 
pixel glyphs, giving 240 columns by 67 rows.  The "huge" characters are 
VGA text mode at 80 columns by 25 rows, giving glyphs that are in effect 
more than 24*32 pixels.


As for why graphics mode has slowed down going from simple-framebuffer 
to vesafb, consider this and its implications:



vesafb: scrolling: redraw





nosh version 1.32

2017-01-30 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

The nosh package is now up to version 1.32 .

* http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/

* 
https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2015-07-2015-09.html#The-nosh-Project


* http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/

This release fixes two problems with Gentoo Linux (control group version 
detection and a problem with mounting API filesystems) that we hashed 
out on the Supervision mailing list.  It furthermore contains a change 
to the way that convert-systemd-units generates service bundles that 
fixes problems with control group setup when the service unit defines a 
"slice" for the service or when the service unit is a template. In 
furtherance of that there's a new create-control-group command.


Other things in this release include improvements to the (unpackaged) Z 
Shell command-line completions, which now display option completion 
menus properly; some improvements to the Terminals chapter in the Guide; 
fixes to various service bundles that were using shell reserved words 
and operators such as "for" and "&&" without explicitly invoking the 
shell; additions to userenv for setting DBus and XDG Runtime variables; 
and a fix that prevents "system-control reset" from looping indefinitely 
when run by an unprivileged user such as "messagebus" that lacks access 
to the control/status API.


The major improvement in this release, though, is to console-fb-realizer 
on TrueOS.


FreeBSD gives console-fb-realizer uhid device files to use for input 
devices, which speak the USB HID report protocol and which 
console-fb-realizer has been happy with for a long time.  TrueOS 
provides either ums/ukbd devices, which lack various features because 
they speak the old sysmouse and atkbd protocols, or ugen devices.  There 
are no uhid devices available. console-fb-realizer can now use the ugen 
devices.  Moreover, it will detach the ums/ukbd drivers from the ugen 
devices using the new detach-kernel-usb-driver command, so that there 
aren't two things both attempting to read HID reports.


console-fb-realizer also now correctly sets the keyboard LEDs on both 
FreeBSD and TrueOS.


There have been several minor adjustments to the kernel VT sharing parts 
of console-fb-realizer, preparatory to splitting the program up into 
separate parts for input and output devices, permitting things such as 
multiple keyboards each with its own keyboard map and numlock semantics, 
in a future release.




Re: Early boot became slower

2017-01-30 Thread Felix Miata

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard composed on 2017-01-30 08:45 (UTC):


It's really simple.  It's the same size monitor.  The "normal"
characters are high resolution 24-bit colour graphics mode with 8*16
pixel glyphs, giving 240 columns by 67 rows.  The "huge" characters are
VGA text mode at 80 columns by 25 rows, giving glyphs that are in effect
more than 24*32 pixels.


At what point exactly within either of those videos does 80 by 25 appear? All I 
saw anywhere appeared to be in the vicinity of 240 by 67.


Is there something simpler than 'echo $ROWS $COLUMNS' or 'tput lines';'tput 
cols' to show the row and column count on a vtty one is using? Fbset leaves that 
info out of its report.

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Re: How to reply a list message using Gmail with Evolution?

2017-01-30 Thread Anthony Baldwin


On 01/30/2017 01:40 AM, River Chiang wrote:

Hello List,

I use Firefox to read lists, when I clicked the link
debian-user@lists.debian.org and tried to reply the message,
Evolution's setup window showed. I tried to setup Evolution to use
Gmail.
Unfortunately I didn't make it.

What mail user agent you use to view/reply messages on this list?


I use Icedove (essentially our version of Thunderbird), which has a 
"Reply List" button




Or how to setup Evolution to use a Gmail account?


http://bfy.tw/9mI3

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Re: bugs in reportbug ?

2017-01-30 Thread Frank M



On 30/01/17 12:59 AM, Andreas Ronnquist wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:37:42 -0500,
Frank M wrote:


Tried to file a bug today using reportbug but it crashed:


Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 2233, in 
 main()
   File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1084, in main
 if newui.initialize():
   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py", line
1580, in initialize gi.require_version('Vte', '2.91')
   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py", line 118, in
require_version raise ValueError('Namespace %s not available' %
namespace)
ValueError: Namespace Vte not available

Does this look familiar to anyone ?

I am running 64 bit stretch and reportbug is the latest version.


See #851968 [1] - you will need to install the packages gir1.2-vte-2.91
and python3-gi-cairo for the GTK+ interface to work.

1 - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851968

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
gus...@openmailbox.org

  That solved it. I had python3-gi-cairo but was missing the second 
package.


  Thank you.




Re: How to reply a list message using Gmail with Evolution?

2017-01-30 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 02:40:34PM +0800, River Chiang wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I use Firefox to read lists, when I clicked the link
> debian-user@lists.debian.org and tried to reply the message,
> Evolution's setup window showed. I tried to setup Evolution to use
> Gmail.
> Unfortunately I didn't make it.
> 
> What mail user agent you use to view/reply messages on this list?
> 
> Or how to setup Evolution to use a Gmail account?
> 

I use Gmail for this list. I have taught Inbox (Gmail) to put all 
messages for this forum into a user folder. Then I use fetchmail to 
download only that folder from Gmail and use mutt to read and/or reply 
to it on my local PC.

The one slight non-optimal element of this is I still need to mark the 
mails in that folder as "Done" occasionally in Inbox, but that is no 
great hardship.

I also separately have Evolution wired up to use Gmail, it was no 
particular sweat -- what in particular are you having trouble with? I do 
seem to recall Google insist you connect to them using TLS or SSL -- no 
insecure connections. Beyond that I recall it being straightforward.

Mark



Re: How to reply a list message using Gmail with Evolution?

2017-01-30 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:13:56 +0900
Mark Fletcher  wrote:

Hello Mark and River,

>seem to recall Google insist you connect to them using TLS or SSL -- no 
>insecure connections. Beyond that I recall it being straightforward.

From what I've read online over the past year or so they (google) now
also require that you allow 'insecure' software to connect to their
systems in your user preferences.  By the term insecure they mean 'not
written by google'.  Where the setting resides within their prefs pages,
I have no idea.

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Re: Oddity noticed installing caja-gksu, Bug?

2017-01-30 Thread David Wright
On Sun 29 Jan 2017 at 08:58:17 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> I using Debian 8.6.0 [with *NO* updates] from set of purchased DVDs.
> I use the Mate desktop.
> 
> When I installed caja-gksu, it did not apparently have any effect
> until after a reboot. Is this expected?

Installation should affect new instances of caja. It won't affect any
caja instances already running at the time you installed caja-gksu.
Next time you install Debian, you could test examples of each type
of instance, before and after, to establish the presence of any bug.

> I found no indication either way in a web search.

I don't think one would expect to, unless you searched for "ldconfig".
Caja is just one program among thousands that would be expected to
behave in the same way. Try:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html

Cheers,
David.



Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso

2017-01-30 Thread Pierre Couderc
On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the first 
screen.


The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).

A similar problem is described in 
http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html


Is there a workaround ?


Thanks

PC



Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-30 Thread Miroslav Skoric

On 01/14/2017 05:38 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/14/2017 8:45 AM, Miroslav Skoric wrote:

Hello all,

Intro: I have been using LILO for ages. Now running Wheezy 7.11
LTS. As usual and for test purposes on older machines I have two
kernel flavours: 486 and 686-rt. In LILO boot menu they appear as
Linux486 and Linux686 (before renaming they were Linux and
LinuxOLD). Both work nice on two desktops of different age.

Anyway, few years ago I had a repetitive problem with the 686-rt
kernel slowing down the touch pad on a laptop, so I decided to
remove it completely. So in the LILO menu was left just one boot
option. Recently I decided to install 686-rt again, and during
the installation it added new config*, init.rd*, and vmlinuz*
into /boot, but it did not add any new init.rd* and vmlinuz*
links into /. And without that LILO still keeps one entry. Any
idea how to produce new links in / in order to recreate the
second boot entry? (In lilo.conf everything is the same as in
desktops, however /sbin/lilo complains about missing links in /)

M.S.


You may find Steve Powell's LILO Page useful -
http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm
Also http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/index.htm may be of interest.
HTH




The default installation of lilo assumes that the user is only interested
in booting the two most recently-installed kernels.  By Debian convention,
symbolic links are assigned to these kernels in / if "do_symlinks = yes"
is specified in /etc/kernel-img.conf.  The most recent kernel
is assigned the symbolic link name "vmlinuz", and the next-most-recent kernel
is assigned the symbolic link name "vmlinuz.old".  The same pattern is
followed with the initial RAM file system images that correspond to these
kernel images.  The most recent initial RAM file system image is given the
symbolic link name "initrd.img", and the next-most-recent initial RAM file
system image is given the symbolic link name "initrd.img.old".  If
"link_in_boot = yes" is present in /etc/kernel-img.conf, then these symbolic
links are maintained in /boot instead of in /.  However, these symbolic links
are maintained only for stock Debian kernels.  For custom kernels created
with make-kpkg or "make deb-pkg", "do_symlinks = yes" in /etc/kernel-img.conf
has no effect.  In my web page, referred to above by Richard Owlett, I provide
a reference to my kernel building web page where there are execs called
zy-symlinks which will provide equivalent function for custom kernels.

If there are special kernels that you want to be able to boot which are outside
the normal "last two", then you must manually edit /etc/lilo.conf to provide
the capability to boot this kernel, then run lilo.



Thank you all for your comments. Anyway, I think when I made the initial 
install several years ago (it was Squeeze 6.0.1a) it offered more than 
one kernel option for installation, so I probably chose two flavours to 
be installed, or something like that. So whenever a new kernel update 
appeared after that, it flawlessly updated both flavours (486 version & 
686-rt version). So I always ended with two new kernels, and I could 
test/use them interchangeably. Yes I know that was not in accord with 
best LILO practices, but it worked for me. And I also realized the risk 
of neither update to be of 100% quality, but what is a chance that both 
kernel flavours might fail in the same update cycle?


Anyway, I have managed to recreate a second boot kernel in LILO, so 
things work nice for now.


M.S.



Re: Bluetooth: unable to pair Apple Wireless Keyboard Mod. A1016

2017-01-30 Thread Leandro Noferini
Ennio-Sr  writes:

> Has any of you benn able to pair the subject keyboard with bluetooth
> under linux debian/jessie or stretch?

[...]

I have a bluetooth keyboard different model (the model without numeric
keys) and to pair in a debian stable I needed to install also the
bluez-firmware package: after this I paired with standard gnome tools.

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Re: Oddity noticed installing caja-gksu, Bug?

2017-01-30 Thread Richard Owlett

On 01/30/2017 11:49 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 29 Jan 2017 at 08:58:17 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

I using Debian 8.6.0 [with *NO* updates] from set of purchased DVDs.
I use the Mate desktop.

When I installed caja-gksu, it did not apparently have any effect
until after a reboot. Is this expected?


Installation should affect new instances of caja.


The last time I did any low level coding the 8085 was state of 
the art ;/ The key question is likely just what defines "a new 
instance". IIRC there were no open caja "windows". Could be mistaken.


 It won't affect any

caja instances already running at the time you installed caja-gksu.
Next time you install Debian, you could test examples of each type
of instance, before and after, to establish the presence of any bug.


Your timing is exquisite. I just solved a problem whose 
repercussions added much cuff to my install before I got it 
right. I was planning an install from scratch by the weekend. Due 
to previous install experiments, I've a customized preseed.cfg 
that makes test installs trivial.





I found no indication either way in a web search.


I don't think one would expect to, unless you searched for "ldconfig".
Caja is just one program among thousands that would be expected to
behave in the same way. Try:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html


Looks like I'm out of mischief for the weekend.
Thanks



Cheers,
David.







CUPS in stretch Ricoh printer SP112 SP112-su

2017-01-30 Thread roba
I used to try and set up a printer through localhost:631 in Jessie but 
now in stretch it is impossible.  I foung some link about 
/etc/hosts.allow and deny and tried a few things but still no luck.  
Maybe I am not using the correct statement and tried localhost and 
127.0.0.1 but still no luck.
And this is for trying to plug a ppd that was hacked from an other Ricoh 
printer to fit an SP112 SP112-su

I figured what did not work for jessie may work for stretch
I had gotten the same printer to work on an other machine with jessie 
somewhere around 8.5 but not on this one.


Any suggestions on how to reach the blocked :631 link?



Re: How to reply a list message using Gmail with Evolution?

2017-01-30 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 03:32:12PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:13:56 +0900
> Mark Fletcher  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark and River,
> 
> >seem to recall Google insist you connect to them using TLS or SSL -- no 
> >insecure connections. Beyond that I recall it being straightforward.
> 
> From what I've read online over the past year or so they (google) now
> also require that you allow 'insecure' software to connect to their
> systems in your user preferences.  By the term insecure they mean 'not
> written by google'.  Where the setting resides within their prefs pages,
> I have no idea.
> 
Yes, you are not the first person to say this -- but I didn't have to do 
anything like this to get Evolution to work. I suspect the need for this 
is less widespread than is being put about on the 'net.

Mark



Early boot became slower

2017-01-30 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

Felix Miata:

At what point exactly within either of those videos does 80 by 25 
appear? All I saw anywhere appeared to be in the vicinity of 240 by 67.




I think that I have put my finger on the source of your perplexity.  
Remember where M. Oss said the following?


Mattia Oss:


This can be seen in the 3rd video.



There's a third video, and it appears in the third video. It's 
definitely 80*25 VGA text mode in that third video. And just as M. Oss 
said, the text in the third video scrolls fairly briskly and the 
characters are ...



Mattia Oss:


HUGE characters.

... as one would expect with 80 columns by 25 rows on a widescreen 
display of that size.


Now M. Oss and all of you get to play with the different ways that the 
VESA driver can do scrolling. (-:




Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso

2017-01-30 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the first
> screen.
> 
> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
> 
> A similar problem is described in
> http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
> 
> Is there a workaround ?
> 

I have a feeling someone else faced a similar problem somehwat recently 
(say in the last 6-12 months) and there was a boot parameter that sorted 
it for them. I'm afraid I don't remember details. The closest I have 
personally come to this is finding a Bluetooth keyboard not working at 
that stage, but a wired USB keyboard did work. That was a release or two 
of Jessie ago.

I'd suggest that Google will make short work of searching the archives 
of this list to find the answer.

Mark



Re: CUPS in stretch Ricoh printer SP112 SP112-su

2017-01-30 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:47:24PM +0100, r...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> I used to try and set up a printer through localhost:631 in Jessie but now
> in stretch it is impossible.  I foung some link about /etc/hosts.allow and
> deny and tried a few things but still no luck.  Maybe I am not using the
> correct statement and tried localhost and 127.0.0.1 but still no luck.
> And this is for trying to plug a ppd that was hacked from an other Ricoh
> printer to fit an SP112 SP112-su
> I figured what did not work for jessie may work for stretch
> I had gotten the same printer to work on an other machine with jessie
> somewhere around 8.5 but not on this one.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to reach the blocked :631 link?
> 

Potentially stupid question -- are you sure the URL is blocked and it's 
not simply that CUPS is not running?

$ ps -ef | grep cups

on my system I get:

root   907 1  0 Jan15 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cups-browsed
root 31985 1  0 07:35 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -f

That is the first possibility to eliminate.

Mark



Re: CUPS in stretch Ricoh printer SP112 SP112-su

2017-01-30 Thread Brian
On Tue 31 Jan 2017 at 07:54:11 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:47:24PM +0100, r...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> > I used to try and set up a printer through localhost:631 in Jessie but now
> > in stretch it is impossible.  I foung some link about /etc/hosts.allow and
> > deny and tried a few things but still no luck.  Maybe I am not using the
> > correct statement and tried localhost and 127.0.0.1 but still no luck.
> > And this is for trying to plug a ppd that was hacked from an other Ricoh
> > printer to fit an SP112 SP112-su
> > I figured what did not work for jessie may work for stretch
> > I had gotten the same printer to work on an other machine with jessie
> > somewhere around 8.5 but not on this one.
> > 
> > Any suggestions on how to reach the blocked :631 link?
> > 
> 
> Potentially stupid question -- are you sure the URL is blocked and it's 
> not simply that CUPS is not running?

It doesn't really matter. Ricoh has the SP 112 down as using the DDST
(whatever that stands for) language to communicate with the device. It
needs a host-based driver on the computer. It is very doubtful there is
a free one in Debian.

-- 
Brian.



Re: CUPS in stretch Ricoh printer SP112 SP112-su

2017-01-30 Thread roba

On 2017-01-30 22:47, r...@openmailbox.org wrote:

And this is for trying to plug a ppd that was hacked from an other
Ricoh printer to fit an SP112 SP112-su
I figured what did not work for jessie may work for stretch
I had gotten the same printer to work on an other machine with
jessie somewhere around 8.5 but not on this one.

Any suggestions on how to reach the blocked :631 link?


Same printer, not very different AMD64, and based on the hacked ppd 
available on github it worked flawlessly ... I started on 8.6 on this 
one when it was fresh and never got it to work following the same 
procedure.  But localhost:631 worked and the browser hasn't changed much 
(from what I do to it).  I suspect it is running as you say but how do I 
reach it or what is blocking access to it?  Or what do I put in 
host.allow hosts.deny to unblock it if that is the culprit.  And WHY did 
debian change such a thing?  Security security security?  Basic early 
upgrade from stable to testing is the only change that I am responsible 
for.


C:\ ps -ef | grep cups
roots 361 1  0 Jan30 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -l
roots 467 1  0 Jan30 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cups-browsed
rock 6128  6115  0 01:20 pts/200:00:00 grep cups
lp  15797   361  0 Jan30 ?00:00:00 
/usr/lib/cups/notifier/dbus dbus://


C:\:)



Re: Early boot became slower

2017-01-30 Thread Felix Miata

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard composed on 2017-01-30 22:31 (UTC):


Felix Miata composed:



At what point exactly within either of those videos does 80 by 25
appear? All I saw anywhere appeared to be in the vicinity of 240 by 67.



I think that I have put my finger on the source of your perplexity.
Remember where M. Oss said the following?



Mattia Oss:



This can be seen in the 3rd video.



There's a third video, and it appears in the third video. It's
definitely 80*25 VGA text mode in that third video. And just as M. Oss
said, the text in the third video scrolls fairly briskly and the
characters are ...



Mattia Oss:



HUGE characters.



... as one would expect with 80 columns by 25 rows on a widescreen
display of that size.


Now that I've seen that...


Now M. Oss and all of you get to play with the different ways that the
VESA driver can do scrolling. (-:


...I reread OP's thread posts and see he has yet to provide us a look at 
/proc/cmdline from a boot that produces (huge text) 80x25 mode. I would like to 
see that before I consider whether to respond further.

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Synaptic broke

2017-01-30 Thread Michael Milliman
I just ran across a problem with synaptic.  When I start this program, I 
get a dialog box saying:


   The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as
   such a release is not available in the sources

Synaptic then exits with no opportunity to make any changes.
I have tried to find where this setting is to fix it, but have had no 
luck.  I have purged and re-installed synaptic with no luck.

I am running a fully updated jessie (8.7) system.
Anyone have any ideas how to repair this??

--
73's de Mike, WB5VQX



[Solved??] Re: Synaptic broke

2017-01-30 Thread Michael Milliman



On 01/30/2017 08:32 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:


I just ran across a problem with synaptic.  When I start this program, 
I get a dialog box saying:


The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release
as such a release is not available in the sources

Synaptic then exits with no opportunity to make any changes.
I have tried to find where this setting is to fix it, but have had no 
luck.  I have purged and re-installed synaptic with no luck.

I am running a fully updated jessie (8.7) system.
Anyone have any ideas how to repair this??
I ran apt-get update (which noted a hash sum mismatch on 
jessie-backports repositories) and apt-get upgrade.  I then tried 
synaptic again, and it seems the problem has cleared itself.  Very strange.

--
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Re: Oddity noticed installing caja-gksu, Bug?

2017-01-30 Thread David Wright
On Mon 30 Jan 2017 at 14:47:41 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/30/2017 11:49 AM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Sun 29 Jan 2017 at 08:58:17 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>I using Debian 8.6.0 [with *NO* updates] from set of purchased DVDs.
> >>I use the Mate desktop.
> >>
> >>When I installed caja-gksu, it did not apparently have any effect
> >>until after a reboot. Is this expected?
> >
> >Installation should affect new instances of caja.
> 
> The last time I did any low level coding the 8085 was state of the
> art ;/ The key question is likely just what defines "a new
> instance". IIRC there were no open caja "windows". Could be
> mistaken.

A process. I don't know what a caja window represents as I've never
used it. But a newly started process will see new links to the
libraries, including the one you just installed, libcaja-gksu.

>  It won't affect any
> >caja instances already running at the time you installed caja-gksu.
> >Next time you install Debian, you could test examples of each type
> >of instance, before and after, to establish the presence of any bug.
> 
> Your timing is exquisite. I just solved a problem whose
> repercussions added much cuff to my install before I got it right. I
> was planning an install from scratch by the weekend. Due to previous
> install experiments, I've a customized preseed.cfg that makes test
> installs trivial.

Well, guessing that you will reinstall soon is a bit of a no-brainer;
how many times have you installed Debian over the last five years?
(Of course, one could just uninstall the library and then reinstall
it to perform the tests.)

> >>I found no indication either way in a web search.
> >
> >I don't think one would expect to, unless you searched for "ldconfig".
> >Caja is just one program among thousands that would be expected to
> >behave in the same way. Try:
> >
> >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html
> 
> Looks like I'm out of mischief for the weekend.
> Thanks

Cheers,
David.



Re: Early boot became slower

2017-01-30 Thread David Wright
On Mon 30 Jan 2017 at 22:31:28 (+), Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Felix Miata:
> 
> >At what point exactly within either of those videos does 80 by 25
> >appear? All I saw anywhere appeared to be in the vicinity of 240
> >by 67.
> 
> I think that I have put my finger on the source of your perplexity.
> Remember where M. Oss said the following?
> 
> Mattia Oss:
> 
> >This can be seen in the 3rd video.
> 
> There's a third video, and it appears in the third video. It's
> definitely 80*25 VGA text mode in that third video.

Yes, there were three videos originally, viz.

16199062 goo-1-line-7-boot-4.8.0-1-amd64.mkv
15994161 goo-2-line-1-boot-4.9.0-1-amd64.mkv
10878351 goo-3-line-1-boot-text-4.9.0-1-amd64.mkv

(though I guess the precise lengths my depend on the software used to
download them?)

But that only translated to two youtube videos, viz.

4587493 you-1-line-7-linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64.bootvideo-NLWB7FyV7jU.mp4
5927576 you-2-line-4-linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64.bootvideo-Nc1lgpdgaxQ.mp4

I don't see a low-res period in either of the latter. I suspect the
OP didn't bother with the third video, notwithstanding the discussion
about it. Should I take it that the "HUGE" characters are just a
result of a period at 640x480 resolution?

> And just as M.
> Oss said, the text in the third video scrolls fairly briskly and the
> characters are ...
> 
> Mattia Oss:
> 
> >HUGE characters.
> >
> ... as one would expect with 80 columns by 25 rows on a widescreen
> display of that size.
> 
> Now M. Oss and all of you get to play with the different ways that
> the VESA driver can do scrolling. (-:

But if the OP intended people to attend only to the rate at which
lines appear on the screen, then posting videos at 1920x1080 was
a waste of time for many, because the rate at which the video runs
is a function of the power of the recipient's computer. None of mine
are able to run these videos at all smoothly.

Cheers,
David.



Not sure where to report this issue...

2017-01-30 Thread Robin Cook
I am running debian sid and currently all video players the video freezes when 
I try to play a video.   Also the KDE desktop will freeze until I change to one 
of the virtual terminals with CTRL-ALT-F? and then back to KDE desktop with 
ALT-F7.  It will then work for a bit then freeze again.

mpv - freezes, both audio and video stop.
mplayer - freezes, video stops, audio continues.
xine - freezes, video stops, audio continues.

I have to use the kill command on them to close them.

On mpv if I use -vo= xv or x11 it will work all others (vdpau, opengl, sdl, 
vaapi) freeze except for drm which gets the below error

[vo/drm] VT_GETMODE failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[vo/drm] Failed to set up VT switcher. Terminal switching will be unavailable.
[vo/drm] Cannot set CRTC: Permission denied
Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (--vo) device.

---

lspci -nn | grep VGA
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 
[AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4870] [1002:9440]

---

xrandr --listproviders
Providers: number : 1
Provider 0: id: 0x54 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink 
Offload crtcs: 2 outputs: 3 associated providers: 0 name:ATI Radeon 4800 Series 
@ pci::08:00.0

---

xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink radeon Intel
Could not find provider with name radeon

---

DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV770 (DRM 2.48.0 / 4.9.0-1-amd64, 
LLVM 3.9.1)

---

From /var/log/dmesg

[   12.804277] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[   12.859566] [drm] initializing kernel modesetting (RV770 0x1002:0x9440 
0x1043:0x0388).
[   12.859595] [drm] register mmio base: 0xFE9E
[   12.859600] [drm] register mmio size: 65536
[   12.860436] ATOM BIOS: 9440.11.17.0.18.AS01
[   12.860492] radeon :08:00.0: VRAM: 1024M 0x - 
0x3FFF (1024M used)
[   12.860499] radeon :08:00.0: GTT: 1024M 0x4000 - 
0x7FFF
[   12.860503] [drm] Detected VRAM RAM=1024M, BAR=256M
[   12.860507] [drm] RAM width 256bits DDR
[   12.860688] [TTM] Zone  kernel: Available graphics memory: 4097956 kiB
[   12.860692] [TTM] Zone   dma32: Available graphics memory: 2097152 kiB
[   12.860695] [TTM] Initializing pool allocator
[   12.860707] [TTM] Initializing DMA pool allocator
[   12.860748] [drm] radeon: 1024M of VRAM memory ready
[   12.860752] [drm] radeon: 1024M of GTT memory ready.
[   12.860775] [drm] Loading RV770 Microcode
[   12.951699] radeon :08:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
radeon/RV770_pfp.bin
[   12.986773] radeon :08:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
radeon/RV770_me.bin
[   13.003314] radeon :08:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
radeon/R700_rlc.bin
[   13.080896] radeon :08:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
radeon/RV770_smc.bin
[   13.080912] [drm] Internal thermal controller with fan control
[   13.081034] [drm] radeon: power management initialized
[   13.081047] [drm] GART: num cpu pages 262144, num gpu pages 262144
[   13.084763] [drm] enabling PCIE gen 2 link speeds, disable with 
radeon.pcie_gen2=0
[   13.088409] [drm] PCIE GART of 1024M enabled (table at 0x0004).
[   13.088434] radeon :08:00.0: WB enabled
[   13.088436] radeon :08:00.0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 
0x4c00 and cpu addr 0x88022bd43c00
[   13.088438] radeon :08:00.0: fence driver on ring 3 use gpu addr 
0x4c0c and cpu addr 0x88022bd43c0c
[   13.088440] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
[   13.088440] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
[   13.088459] radeon :08:00.0: irq 90 for MSI/MSI-X
[   13.088467] radeon :08:00.0: radeon: using MSI.
[   13.088487] [drm] radeon: irq initialized.
[   13.134370] [drm] ring test on 0 succeeded in 1 usecs
[   13.134436] [drm] ring test on 3 succeeded in 1 usecs
[   13.134763] [drm] ib test on ring 0 succeeded in 0 usecs
[   13.134786] [drm] ib test on ring 3 succeeded in 0 usecs
[   13.135401] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors
[   13.135405] [drm] Connector 0:
[   13.135409] [drm]   VGA-1
[   13.135412] [drm]   DDC: no ddc bus - possible BIOS bug - please report to 
xorg-driver-...@lists.x.org
[   13.135414] [drm]   Encoders:
[   13.135417] [drm] CRT2: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC2
[   13.135420] [drm] Connector 1:
[   13.135423] [drm]   HDMI-A-1
[   13.135426] [drm]   HPD1
[   13.135431] [drm]   DDC: 0x7e60 0x7e60 0x7e64 0x7e64 0x7e68 0x7e68 0x7e6c 
0x7e6c
[   13.135433] [drm]   Encoders:
[   13.135436] [drm] DFP1: INTERNAL_UNIPHY
[   13.135439] [drm] Connector 2:
[   13.135441] [drm]   DVI-I-1
[   13.135444] [drm]   HPD2
[   13.135449] [drm]   DDC: 0x7e20 0x7e20 0x7e24 0x7e24 0x7e28 0x7e28 0x7e2c 
0x7e2c
[   13.135451] [drm]   Encoders:
[   13.135454] [drm] CRT1: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC1
[   13.135457] [drm] DFP2: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_LVTMA
[   13.182521] [drm] fb mappable at 0xD0241000
[   13.182529] [drm] vra

Re: Bluetooth: unable to pair Apple Wireless Keyboard Mod. A1016

2017-01-30 Thread solitone
On Monday, January 30, 2017 9:10:59 PM CET Leandro Noferini wrote:
> I have a bluetooth keyboard different model (the model without numeric
> keys) and to pair in a debian stable I needed to install also the
> bluez-firmware package: after this I paired with standard gnome tools.

I also believe you could give bluez-firmware a try. I had a pairing issue with 
a different device (a speaker), and I could only solved it with that package.