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Le 09.04.2013 07:24, Joel Roth a écrit :

Sounds like you've got a Big Picture(tm) vision to create!


Yes, I know, but modern softwares globally tends to integrate features 
they should not, and if no-one does a software with clear objectives to 
restrict this problem, it will never change.
Some people does, for few softwares, like i3's and uzbl's authors, but 
there are, in my opinion, still various tools to write.
If we had each tools to do each tasks, it would still lacks, for me, 
one to synchronize the common configuration part: by example, vim, 
aptitude and uzbl uses hjkl to move the cursor, while i3 uses jklm (for 
my azerty keyboard, on a qwerty it is jkl; iirc). Since I prefer the i3 
way (easier to place fingers) it means I have to configure those 4 keys 
for vim, aptitude, and uzbl. And for every other softwares, in fact, and 
this could probably be avoided, which all have their own configuration 
file syntax (which is not always easy to understand, and are sometimes 
*obscure* languages that people not necessarily want to learn: don't 
they have their own job to do first? Are they the tool, or are they 
using a tool?) and files located in various places (~/.config/ is not so 
widely as I would like)...


Since the tools we use often use text files as configuration, it is not 
hard to just merge/concatenate some (the common and the specific parts) 
into a valid and complete configuration file for each software.



For me, the takeaway is i3.

It looks like an improvement over twm, fvwm and stumpwm
(which I have used) and others that I tried and rejected for
various reasons. (I was never attracted to the top-heavy
DEs).

The screencast[1] explains the rationale for the design
decisions, and development is active.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYN2CTb1hM



Well, I know that i3 is very active (as I said, I really like this 
software, and it is, in my opinion, one of the best I have used in all 
categories: easiness of config, lightweight, features only related to 
its job...), and the community around it explains nicely what are their 
goals:
having a software which does only it's job, easy to hack (no stupid 
restriction to 2000 lines of code by example... can't remember the name 
of the twm which have such limitation), easy to configure (no 
programming skills needed: config is not a script, and does not needs to 
compile i3 to be modified) without fancy "features" (like rounded 
corners or transparency in decorations).


PS: your video is not available for me :)


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Re: Migrate from Icedove to Thunderbird.

2013-04-09 Thread Hristo Topalov


And the same is for windows (if you do the mistake to use it)


On 04/09/2013 10:17 AM, Jose Manuel Pérez wrote:


If you are migrating in Linux, just copy .icedove directory to 
.thunderbird and it should work (mail, address book, calendar, ect.). 
I've done it from thunderbird to icedove and viceversa. 



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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

2013-04-09 Thread Thilo Six

Hello


Excerpt from sirquij...@lavabit.com:


--  --

> Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1:1.2.2-4squeeze2) ...
> insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service

compare this with yours:


,[  head -n 14 /etc/init.d/nfs-common  ]---


#!/bin/bash

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  nfs-common
# Required-Start:$portmap $time
# Required-Stop: $time
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 S
# Default-Stop:  0 1 6
# Short-Description: NFS support files common to client and server
# Description:   NFS is a popular protocol for file sharing across
#TCP/IP networks. This service provides various
#support functions for NFS mounts.
### END INIT INFO
`---

I suppose the line '# Default-Start:' to be different on your computer.


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> So, the LSB error is absent, but the nfs-kernel-server error still exists..

No clearly there is a LSB header issue. insserv complaints that it the
initscript 'nfs-kernel-server' tells it, that 'nfs-kernel-server' depends on on
the functionality provided by 'nfs-common'. But since 'nfs-common' is disabled
it can't fullfill the requirtment.


>  Clearly they're not connected, and I'm not sure how necessary moving my
> command to rc.local actually was.

well at least the error message from earlier is gone.

> I then ran "/etc/init.d/nfs-common start" and used aptitude to upgrade
> another package, and received the exact same error messages - oddly it
> still says, "Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service
> nfs-kernel-server" even though I checked and idmapd and statd (the
> processes initiated by the previous init command) were definitely running..

The idea behind insserv and the LSB headers are to provide a system to declare
dependencies between initscripts. Look at the code snipped above it says
'# Required-Start:'.
This means '/etc/init.d/nfs-common' can only function after the
'$portmap $time' are available. '/etc/init.d/nfs-common' by it self also has
such a '# Provides:' so that other initscript can tell "only start me after
'/etc/init.d/nfs-common' is already running".

So this LSB headers are there to managed initscripts and insserv uses them to
create/resemble the start scripts below '/etc/rc[S0-6].d/' depending on the
actually installed services.

you can use:
insserv -v

to manually call insserv. It will tell you the same error messages as during apt
operation until the initscripts are fixed.



So in the end it is possible that insserv complaints that there are unfulfilled
dependencies, but it is still possible to start those services manually. Which
is what you did.



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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

2013-04-09 Thread Thilo Six

Hello Bob and Paul,


Excerpt from myself:


--  --

>>   * Exclude /etc/fstab
>>   * Exclude /etc/lvm
>>   * Exclude /etc/mdadm
> 
> + /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume

It just crossed my mind that you also need to take care of everything where your
MAC adresses are reused. For certain that is:

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

and depending on your setup maybe also files below:
/etc/network/


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Re: Migrate from Icedove to Thunderbird.

2013-04-09 Thread Thilo Six

Hello


Excerpt from Jose Manuel Pérez:

>> How do I migrate my
>> 1] email
>> 2] filters
>> 3] mailboxes
>> 4] address book
>>
>> from Icedove to Thunderbird?
> 
> If you are migrating in Linux, just copy .icedove directory to 
> ..thunderbird

i suppose this to be a typo as it should be '.thunderbird'

> and it should work (mail, address book, calendar, ect.). 
> I've done it from thunderbird to icedove and viceversa.

While this works to my experience this leaves traces of the old path
'~/.icedove' in the profile behind.
This should compile a list for you:
$ grep -HiIrn '\.icedove' ~/.thunderbird

But do not blatantly exchange those two strings. It really depends in which
files and in witch context those strings are mentioned.


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver


On Mon, April 8, 2013 2:18 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:35 -0700, Weaver wrote:
>> So!
>> Are we saying that the policy by which devs are included into core
>> function needs looking at, from a Q.A. viewpoint?
>> Do we even have one?
>> If not, this may very well be a good place to start.
>
> I'm against Quality Assurance, IMO Linux needs an intelligence service
> and agents with the licence to kill (LTK v1.0), no GNU GPL and no BSD
> beer licences anymore. The FSF needs a defence of the constitution and
> an army. And the community needs a leader, ideal would be somebody with
> a beard. We should test suspect people. It's said that Windows folks
> can't be drown, so we should tie up those people and throw them into a
> river. If they should drown, they are innocent and they will wake up in
> the fields of Elysium were 72 virgin penguins are already waiting. To be
> honest, in reality they aren't 72 virgin penguins, but 72 virgin women
> dressed up like Beastie. I'm not kidding. You know why Debian has got a
> BSD port? It's a sexism conspiracy, the next step will be that Beastie
> the BSD mascot will replace Tux and all female *nix users must wear
> Beastie wear.

Sounds good to me!

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver


On Mon, April 8, 2013 6:56 pm, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
>> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
>> and not taken from banana republics.
>
> I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
> in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
> here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
> promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
> invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
> Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
> imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?

No!
We're talking about Spain and Portugal, that stole the tomato and potato
from South America.
Regards,

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
> > and not taken from banana republics.
> 
> I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized 
> in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards 
> here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to 
> promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and 
> invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France 
> Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their 
> imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?

The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
self.

A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".

If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
speak out the truth).

So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 17:07 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 04:49:40AM +, Dirk wrote:
> > http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png
> > https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623
> 
> I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus,
> with which I was minimally acquainted.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus
> 
> D-Bus has replaced Bonobo (originated by the Gnome project) and
> DCOP (originated by the KDE project). It seems to have
> technical merits.
>  
> Clearly the effort is a troll, created by a kid (or childish
> adult) with nothing better to do. 

dbus often is a PITA! But we should talk about dbus and other issues,
not start witch-hunting.



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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:27 -0500, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> 1. Complaining about a minor inconvenient feature change (Moving most of 
> the save functionality into "export" mode. Annoying, but hardly a 
> dealbreaking move.). Never mind that I find GIMP's new interfact 
> introduced in 2.8 is a vast improvement over the old UI which had users 
> having to deal with the window manager wehenever they'd wanna do 
> something as simple as select the paintbrush tool. GIMP's UI is much 
> more improved than "ruined." Disagreeing with someone about a feature 
> change is hardly evidence of a "Microsoft insider."

Yesterday I wrote with Alexandre off-list. I don't share this opinion.
The import, export, save options are unimportant, the handling changed,
but I won't continue talking about GIMP by this thread. Open a thread
about GIMP and perhaps I'll turn up.

> Udev *is*

merged with systemd and this is a serious issue. For Debian and some
distros people do hard work, to keep it independent, but by upstream
udev is part of systemd.

The one you call a troll has knowledge you're missing. What the OP did
is wrong, but there are really such issues.

> What's wrong with console-kit?

Where should I start ;)? How many threads should be started by an UNIX
program? How many threads do you count for your console-kit?

> Mozilla

Why does Debian by default have the "iced" Mozillas?

I don't like what the OP did, but for me terms like "troll" are
outlandish too.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 04:26:59 -0700
"Weaver"  wrote:

> 
> On Mon, April 8, 2013 6:56 pm, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> > Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> >> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be
> >> civilized and not taken from banana republics.
> >
> > I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be
> > civilized in this international mailing list I have to ask what are
> > the standards here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the
> > USA which uses to promote coup d'état against elected governments
> > all over the world and invade countries after spreading a lot of
> > FUD? Or England, France Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of
> > the world with their imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th
> > centuries?
> 
> No!
> We're talking about Spain and Portugal, that stole the tomato and
> potato from South America.
> Regards,
> 
> Weaver
> 

Bzzzt. Wrong. Check out the Wikipedia article on banana
republics.

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debian 6.0.7 amd64 raid0 lvm crypt - bootloader issue

2013-04-09 Thread shmick

Hi all,

Having installed debian onto a hardware raid pc setup, using dmraid=true
switch, I attempt to repair the failed grub/lilo bootlader install after
rebooting into rescue, again with dmraid=true

How can I get grub installed?  

Background info:

Partitioning setup according to guided lvm crypt defaults with all installed
onto same partition

Using this setup /boot was created as primary partition under raid stripe
Ie /dev/mapper/long-sata-raid-name1

All else is located in logical encrypted volume
Ie /dev/mapper/long-sata-raid-name5

Start rescue mode and select /dev/my-volume-group/root to start shell

>update-grub
->/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk

Do I need to edit /boot/grub/device.map and if so what should I add
?

Current device.map includes

(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/1st-sata-disk
(hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/2nd-sata-disk
(hd2) /dev/mapper/long-sata-raid-name

>grub-install /dev/mapper/long-sata-raid-name
->/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk

?


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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> 
> Well, I know that i3 is very active (as I said, I really like this
> software, and it is, in my opinion, one of the best I have used in
> all categories: easiness of config, lightweight, features only
> related to its job...), and the community around it explains nicely
> what are their goals:
> having a software which does only it's job, easy to hack (no stupid
> restriction to 2000 lines of code by example... can't remember the
> name of the twm which have such limitation), easy to configure (no
> programming skills needed: config is not a script, and does not
> needs to compile i3 to be modified) without fancy "features" (like
> rounded corners or transparency in decorations).
> 

I like i3 too, but I find that spectrwm has similar features but is
better in some respects. I have a comparison of i3, dwm, xmonad, and
spectrwm on my blog at
http://www.acampbell.org.uk/serendipity/index.php?/archives/609-Four-tiling-window-managers-spectrwm,-i3,-dwm,-xmonad.html.
 There is quite a lot of other stuff about these
window managers on my blog, including how to compile the latest version
of spectrwm on Debian (the one in the repository is quite old).


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Partitioning problem

2013-04-09 Thread Alexandre De Muer

Hi, When installing from  "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 6.0.7 "Squeeze" - Official 
kfreebsd-i386 DVD Binary-1 20130223-17:32"the following problem issued from 
"guided partition layout":"unable to set mount from file-system type swap on ** 
to none". The hardware I'm using: AMD Athlon XP 2200+, MSI 6511 ver1 
motherboard, 386 Mb RAM, 250 Gb Maxtor drive.I'm a regular user and wanted to 
hear what fix exists for this problem.  
  Alexandre De Muer

Multiple kernels

2013-04-09 Thread Alexandre De Muer

Hi, When installing from  "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 6.0.7 "Squeeze" - Official 
kfreebsd-i386 DVD Binary-1 20130223-17:32"the following problem issued from 
"selecting and installing programs": the ability to choose between kernel "8" 
and "8.1.1". The hardware I'm using: AMD Athlon XP 2200+, MSI 6511 ver1 
motherboard, 386 Mb RAM, 250 Gb Maxtor drive.I'm a regular user but just not 
used to install two kernels alongside each other.   
 Alexandre De Muer

Install package hang

2013-04-09 Thread Alexandre De Muer

Hi, When installing from  "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 6.0.7 "Squeeze" - Official 
kfreebsd-i386 DVD Binary-1 20130223-17:32"the following problem issued from 
"selecting and installing programs":this part of setup hangs at 81% progress. 
The hardware I'm using: AMD Athlon XP 2200+, MSI 6511 ver1 motherboard, 386 Mb 
RAM, 250 Gb Maxtor drive.I'm a regular user and wanted to hear if a fix exists 
for the problem.
Alexandre De Muer

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:07 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> Bzzzt. Wrong. Check out the Wikipedia article on banana
> republics.

That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I use
it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people
won't call Islamic nations that kill their own and other people "banana
republic". When I call those nations "banana republics" the term I use
is much more harmless, then the terms that are usually used to describe
such countries.

I don't claim that Germany and other western countries are "good"
countries, I hope we don't need to discus this. I'm an anarchist!

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Carl Fink

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:11PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I use
> it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people
> won't call Islamic nations that kill their own and other people "banana
> republic". When I call those nations "banana republics" the term I use
> is much more harmless, then the terms that are usually used to describe
> such countries.

Ralf, that's not what "banana republic" means. It refers to ... well, read
the Wiki article. You can't just redefine the word because you wish it meant
something else. "Corruption-riddled states ruled by strongmen" are just
that, not "banana republics".
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Journalism job directory

2013-04-09 Thread Greg McDivet

I wanted to tell you about this job directory:

http://www.exam2jobs.com/journalism-jobs.html

It has some good information about available jobs and offers help for a variety 
of certification exams. I thought it was a nice resource and you might want to 
post a link to it for others.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:28 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:11PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I use
> > it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people
> > won't call Islamic nations that kill their own and other people "banana
> > republic". When I call those nations "banana republics" the term I use
> > is much more harmless, then the terms that are usually used to describe
> > such countries.
> 
> Ralf, that's not what "banana republic" means. It refers to ... well, read
> the Wiki article. You can't just redefine the word because you wish it meant
> something else. "Corruption-riddled states ruled by strongmen" are just
> that, not "banana republics".

We could go more and more off-topic about how semantics of words differs
by colloquial language and even how it differs for scientific and
philosophical terms. The original email fits to the behaviour of "banana
republic" and of "Corruption-riddled states ruled by strongmen", the
context should have made clear what I meant. More important than
semantics of the individual term is the context of the words. If
somebody completely uneducated does use words in a completely wrong way,
the context still could make clear what he wants to say.

"civilized" is also a very vague term ;), but I also wrote about
"witch-hunting" ... a witch isn't male, so also a wrong term?

;D

So, office work is finished, I go off-line within the next minutes and
try to make music with "SABOTAGE(D) OPEN SOURCE" only.

Btw. what's wrong with continue such discussions at the off-topic list?
Is this list useless? I'm subscribed to this list.

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gdm does not start; lost networking

2013-04-09 Thread Chris Fisichella

I thought I had a good system. I was installing software from tarballs  
and putting them in /usr/local/. That worked well. Yesterday, I tried  
to install various versions of pcb-20110918. Among the commands I  
executed were


sudo apt-get install libglw1-mesa-dev freeglut3-dev libgtkglext-dev  
libgd2-xpm-dev


I am pretty sure that is all I did. After that, pcb-20110918  
installed. I moved onto ngspice-23, ngspice-25, xspice-1. ngspice-25  
ended up building. In the mean time, I executed the following:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
sudo apt-get install libtool automake autoconf
sudo apt-get install flex bison texinfo
sudo apt-get install libx11-dev libxaw7-dev

All applications worked. I shutdown the machine. This morning, gdm  
would not start and I don't have any networking.


Since the things I want to keep are located in /usr/local and in  
~/HOME what would be the recommended way to reinstall gdm? Is it as  
simple as adding DVD's to the apt source list and running

sudo apt-get install gdm
?
I would probably do the same to get networking up and running.

Looking for advice. I have the feeling I am not the first person to do this.

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: gdm does not start; lost networking

As root run

/etc/init.d/network-manager start

I'm using network-manager, but I also can run a script and connect to
the Internet without network manager. I can't explain how to do this for
Debian, since regarding to systemd's device naming even eth0 became an
obscure name for my Linux.

"start" isn't the only option, other, perhaps all options are stop|
restart|status.

If X shouldn't start, you should take a look at the log files, it's
likely that GDM isn't broken, but that something is fishy with X.

As root or user run

grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log

As user run

cat ~/.xsession-errors


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati


Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:

Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:

This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
and not taken from banana republics.

I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?

The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
self.

A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".

If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
speak out the truth).

So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.



Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say 
irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana 
republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited 
and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard 
definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all 
muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and 
thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad 
Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and 
racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?



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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

Le 09.04.2013 14:13, Anthony Campbell a écrit :

I like i3 too, but I find that spectrwm has similar features but is
better in some respects. I have a comparison of i3, dwm, xmonad, and
spectrwm on my blog at

http://www.acampbell.org.uk/serendipity/index.php?/archives/609-Four-tiling-window-managers-spectrwm,-i3,-dwm,-xmonad.html.
There is quite a lot of other stuff about these
window managers on my blog, including how to compile the latest
version

of spectrwm on Debian (the one in the repository is quite old).

Interesting.
I just would like to notify you of some imprecise expressions which
could lead to error: "But I mostly work in stacked mode" you should have
speak about stacked layout, since the stacking mode is the one used by
most WM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager).
And about the problem you found with it, I wonder why you do not use
the tabbed layout? (I thought it was possible to hide title bars, but
while reading the doc it appears that I was wrong... But I just
discovered that there is an option to hide the status bar, nice!)

I think I will give spectrwm a try one of those days. You described
some interesting features which would be really nice to have, and since
I have always had some problems to move were I want with tons of
terminals on a workspace, if it is easier to move focus and/or windows,
I should definitely try it! (i3 often confuse me when I try to resize
windows, too)

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> >> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> >>> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
> >>> and not taken from banana republics.
> >> I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
> >> in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
> >> here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
> >> promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
> >> invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
> >> Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
> >> imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?
> > The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
> > unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
> > of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
> > more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
> > self.
> >
> > A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
> > against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
> > nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
> > vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".
> >
> > If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
> > ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
> > the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
> > somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
> > child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
> > just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
> > speak out the truth).
> >
> > So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
> > behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.
> >
> 
> Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say 
> irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana 
> republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited 
> and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard 
> definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all 
> muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and 
> thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad 
> Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and 
> racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?

Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism.
And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets
as it is done in those countries. Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral
scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe
not, but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?!

You should respect freedom of expression and stop making conclusions
about me or anybody else.



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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Morning Star

it's getting hot.


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> > Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> > >> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > >>> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
> > >>> and not taken from banana republics.
> > >> I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
> > >> in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
> > >> here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
> > >> promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
> > >> invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
> > >> Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
> > >> imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?
> > > The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
> > > unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
> > > of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
> > > more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
> > > self.
> > >
> > > A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
> > > against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
> > > nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
> > > vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".
> > >
> > > If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
> > > ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
> > > the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
> > > somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
> > > child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
> > > just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
> > > speak out the truth).
> > >
> > > So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
> > > behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.
> > >
> > 
> > Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say 
> > irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana 
> > republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited 
> > and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard 
> > definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all 
> > muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and 
> > thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad 
> > Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and 
> > racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?
> 
> Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism.
> And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets
> as it is done in those countries. Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral
> scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe
> not, but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?!
> 
> You should respect freedom of expression and stop making conclusions
> about me or anybody else.

You now behave exactly as the OP does! My intention clearly is, that
it's not ok to discredit folks from upstream, just because we have
different opinions. And it's not ok when you now discredit me by
grotesque conclusions. When I describe the world as it is, that doesn't
mean that I like it that way. Don't kill the messenger for the bad news,
he just reports the news and didn't make them.

Show me were I claimed that "all muslims are terrorists"!

What happened to this list?

"MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE"

Any evidence?

And again "all muslims are terrorists" was written by me were and when?

If your sick mind guess something is "implied", written between the
lines, then it's your and not my problem! I don't tolerate to discredit
others and I also don't tolerate to discredit me.

I'm against violence and lies. Muslims e.g. killed an ambassador because
somebody made a harmless odd video and it wasn't the ambassador who made
this video. You are angry about me and other people that are innocent.
We aren't violent!

If you feel offended by truth, than don't counterattack with lies! Or
are you simply unable to understand the truth?


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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)


Le 09.04.2013 16:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :

(I thought it was possible to hide title bars, but
while reading the doc it appears that I was wrong...


And by reading it with a search on word "title" I just remember that, I 
was true so, here is the option:
"border none". But it have to be applied on a for_window command, so, 
to use that with all windows, you can, by example, use:

for_window [class=".*"] border none

This will disable borders for all windows.

PS: sorry for my double answer


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 09/04/13 15:12, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say
> irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana
> republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited
> and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard
> definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all
> muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and
> thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad
> Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and
> racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?
> 
> 

I killfiled Mardorf a while ago, because I was disinterested in his
arrogant racist views.

It is a shame to see others quoting him, but I see he has not improved.

Anyway, this is way off topic for this list, so please let the
discussion end here.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 15:47 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> I killfiled Mardorf a while ago, because I was disinterested in his
> arrogant racist views.

I recommended to switch to off-topic mailing list! It's good if people
know how to filter email, but show me "racist views" (you might read it,
if somebody should quote it)! You're a liar!

I guess I'll forward those claims now to the admin of the list! It's not
ok to spread lies such as "MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN
SOURCE" and it's not ok to claim that I should have racist views!

Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories?

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE


Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories?


42.


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati


Em 09-04-2013 11:26, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:

Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:

Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:

This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
and not taken from banana republics.

I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?

The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
self.

A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".

If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
speak out the truth).

So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.


Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say
irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana
republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited
and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard
definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all
muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and
thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad
Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and
racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?

Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism.


Yes you did in an implicit form, like I said. You implied that muslims 
kill the ambassador of a foreign nation/country/society when somebody 
discredited their prophet. Anyone can read this.



And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets
as it is done in those countries.


I don't understand what you want to say here.


  Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral
scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe
not,


He was both and I don't know which is worse when discussing human 
civilizations: to cite an animal behavior scientist or  to cite a nazi. 
Much harm was already done when trying to "apply" darwinism do social 
sciences.



  but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?!


I never called you a nazi. I was just pointing Konrad Lorenz's 
incoherence in his political life and comparing to the incoherence of 
your post. I know it may be painful for a german to be compared to a 
nazi, as may be painful to a muslin to be compared to a terrorist. It is 
painful to me to see the expression "banana republic" (my country was a 
banana republic for a long time and it still is in some sense) as a 
model of lack of civilization. Maybe you realize now that political 
correctness is important.



You should respect freedom of expression


This is valid for everyone, including you. I fail to see when I 
disregarded freedom of expression.



  and stop making conclusions
about me or anybody else.



I never took any conclusion about you. I was commenting about what you 
have written.



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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread David Guntner

Yes, sir, the topic at hand is so incredibly relevant to this list!
Yup, it's exactly the kind of thing that people who subscribed to it
because it's a LIST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT USER-TO-USER SUPPORT OF THE
*DEBIAN OPERATING SYSTEM* want to see.  Yup, it's sure what those who
signed up for a list about Debian support are looking for.  Nope, no
need to take it to the off-topic list like what was suggested back at
the beginning of the thread.  You guys flaming each other and insulting
each other and their mothers are way too important to need to worry
about things like that.

Nope, you guys please continue to have your pissing contest here on this
list, flooding out anything that's actually, you know, RELEVANT to the
purpose of *this* list.



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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 16:59 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
> > Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories?
> 
> 42.

Perhaps some Babel fishes would help, since language barriers seem to be
not unimportant. And IIRC Deep Thought build a nice gun. However, 42 is
not the answer, resp. if it should be the answer, than we now found the
question?!

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 12:04 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Em 09-04-2013 11:26, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> >> Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> >>> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
>  Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
> > and not taken from banana republics.
>  I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
>  in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
>  here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
>  promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
>  invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
>  Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
>  imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?
> >>> The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
> >>> unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
> >>> of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
> >>> more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
> >>> self.
> >>>
> >>> A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
> >>> against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
> >>> nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
> >>> vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".
> >>>
> >>> If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
> >>> ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
> >>> the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
> >>> somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
> >>> child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
> >>> just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
> >>> speak out the truth).
> >>>
> >>> So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
> >>> behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.
> >>>
> >> Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say
> >> irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana
> >> republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited
> >> and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard
> >> definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all
> >> muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and
> >> thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad
> >> Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and
> >> racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?
> > Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism.
> 
> Yes you did in an implicit form, like I said. You implied that muslims 
> kill the ambassador of a foreign nation/country/society when somebody 
> discredited their prophet. Anyone can read this.
> 
> > And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets
> > as it is done in those countries.
> 
> I don't understand what you want to say here.
> 
> >   Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral
> > scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe
> > not,
> 
> He was both and I don't know which is worse when discussing human 
> civilizations: to cite an animal behavior scientist or  to cite a nazi. 
> Much harm was already done when trying to "apply" darwinism do social 
> sciences.
> 
> >   but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?!
> 
> I never called you a nazi. I was just pointing Konrad Lorenz's 
> incoherence in his political life and comparing to the incoherence of 
> your post. I know it may be painful for a german to be compared to a 
> nazi, as may be painful to a muslin to be compared to a terrorist. It is 
> painful to me to see the expression "banana republic" (my country was a 
> banana republic for a long time and it still is in some sense) as a 
> model of lack of civilization. Maybe you realize now that political 
> correctness is important.
> 
> > You should respect freedom of expression
> 
> This is valid for everyone, including you. I fail to see when I 
> disregarded freedom of expression.
> 
> >   and stop making conclusions
> > about me or anybody else.
> >
> 
> I never took any conclusion about you. I was commenting about what you 
> have written.

Ok, no hard feelings! Let's stop it. I still disagree that political
correctness is helpful. FWIW Germans can be black, Germans can be
Muslims, _without_  migrations background and Germans could have
migrations backgrounds, e.g. coming from "banana republics". It doesn't
help to hide truth just because it's uncomfortable. I'm neither blond
nor do I have bl

Re: gdm does not start; lost networking

2013-04-09 Thread Chris Fisichella


Hi Ralf,

Thanks for the debugging help. That makes sense about X being  a  
little messed up, since I was installing X libraries last night. I'll  
attach the output to those commands. I am seeing X-type errors in  
.xsession-errors. This, in particular I think is the smoking gun:


(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2389): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **:  
Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception invoking  
org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAuthorizations() on  
/org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name  
org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed:  
Cannot determine session the caller is in
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource  
temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily  
unavailable) on X server :0.0.
update-notifier: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X  
server :0.0.

Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension
kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily  
unavailable) on X server :0.0.


Networking is up and running, thanks. I tested apt-get with
sudo apt-get install unsort

This happened last night. apt would suggest to remove a whole slew of  
libraries. Unfortunately, I let it. It did it again today. I included  
that in the file. Why is it saying it cannot be verified? That was new  
last night, too.


So, do you or does anyone else know how to restore X so that gdm will  
work once again?


Thanks,
Chris

Ralf Mardorf :


As root run

/etc/init.d/network-manager start

I'm using network-manager, but I also can run a script and connect

to

the Internet without network manager. I can't explain how to do this

for

Debian, since regarding to systemd's device naming even eth0 became

an

obscure name for my Linux.

"start" isn't the only option, other, perhaps all options are stop|
restart|status.

If X shouldn't start, you should take a look at the log files, it's
likely that GDM isn't broken, but that something is fishy with X.

As root or user run

grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log

As user run

cat ~/.xsession-errors


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# apt-get install unsort
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libsm-dev libice-dev debhelper libpthread-stubs0 libxcb-render-util0-dev
  x11proto-xinerama-dev po-debconf libpixman-1-dev intltool-debian
  x11proto-kb-dev x11proto-randr-dev xtrans-dev libatk1.0-dev
  x11proto-input-dev x11proto-fixes-dev x11proto-print-dev x11proto-xext-dev
  x11proto-scrnsaver-dev x11proto-damage-dev libxau-dev libglw1-mesa
  libxcb-render0-dev html2text x11proto-composite-dev libxcb1-dev
  libmail-sendmail-perl libjpeg62-dev libsys-hostname-long-perl libxdmcp-dev
  libpthread-stubs0-dev
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  unsort
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 42 not upgraded.
Need to get 14.8 kB of archives.
After this operation, 45.1 kB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  unsort
Install these packages without verification [y/N]?

# grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad"

$ cat /home/sensing/.xsession-errors
/etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4/ssh
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4/ssh
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-SBZ1T4/ssh
Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/sensing/.config/metacity/sessions/107053be2f9de2f8d21365458302261550022770023.ms: Failed to open file '/home/sensing/.config/metacity/sessions/107053be2f9de2f8d21365458302261550022770023.ms': No such file or directory
python: error while loading shared libraries: libpython2.7.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
** Message: adding killswitch idx 1 state 1
** Message: adding killswitch idx 2 state 1
** Message: killswitch 1 is 1
** Message: killswitch 2 is 1
** Message: killswitches state 1

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2389): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot register existing type `_PolkitError'

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2389): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_once_init_leave: assertion `initialization_value != 0' failed
** Message: killswitch 1 is 1
** Message: killswitch 2 is 1
** Message: killswitches sta

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Yaro Kasear


On 04/09/2013 06:55 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 (snip)
Why does Debian by default have the "iced" Mozillas?
Because they're the only distribution that cares about the free software 
zealotry enough to comply with the Firefox trademark guideline? Just 
spitballing there.


Most people consider firefox free software despite the trademark thing 
because trademarks are only skin deep and have zero effect on the 
software's capabilities like patents and copyright do.


Argue Firefox with me if and when Mozilla acually makes it proprietary 
in a way that actually impacts the use of the browser or how you can 
modify its source.



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RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg

2013-04-09 Thread keshav prabhakar

really apologize for not responding sooner.
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:08:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
> From: tomh0...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM, keshav prabhakar  wrote:
> >>
> >> I just remembered, I'm using a linux 5 template ('Guest OS: Debian
> >> GNU/Linux 5 (64-bit)') to install Debian 6. not sure if that's causing the
> >> issue, somehow. (I'm using ESXi 4.0 server, which is quite old and it
> >> doesn't support 'Debian GNU/Linux 6' as one of the templates). Let me try
> >> with a Debian 5 ISO and see if the installer can find the disk.
> >
> > I was in fact (unknowingly) using a Debian 5 ISO over a 'Debian GNU/Linux 5
> > (64-bit)' template which was causing it not to get me into the shell on root
> > partition file system. Now, with a debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso, I was
> > able to get to shell on the root file system in rescue mode.
> >
> > Then I ran `update-initramfs -u -v` followed by `update-grub`. They both
> > appear to run fine (without showing any errors) though I didn't understand
> > much about why they needed to be run. Is there anything in the output that
> > I should be looking for?
> >
> > I tried running the preseed file again after this but the installer stopped
> > at the same place as before ("No root file system found").
> >
> > perhaps, I should try recreating a new initramfs? (`update-initramfs -d`
> > followed by `update-initramfs -c`)?
> 
> I don't understand. Did you reboot into your install after rebuilding
> the initramfs or did you re-install?
> 
> Did you get "No root file system found" after rebuilding the initramfs
> or after the re-install?
> 
> 
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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>> Interesting.
> I just would like to notify you of some imprecise expressions which
> could lead to error: "But I mostly work in stacked mode" you should
> have speak about stacked layout, since the stacking mode is the one
> used by most 

Not sure about this. I know about the distinction betwee stacked and
tiling WMs, but i3 seems to use "mode" and "layout" interchangeably.
>From the i3 man page:

   Containers [i.e. windows] can be used in various LAYOUTS. 
   The default MODE is called "default" and just  resizes 
   each client equally so that it fits.

> And about the problem you found with it, I wonder why you do not use
> the tabbed layout? (I thought it was possible to hide title bars,
> but while reading the doc it appears that I was wrong... But I just
> discovered that there is an option to hide the status bar, nice!)

I did use the tabbed layout but the titles took up a lot of horizontal
space, which was worse than having them vertically. In spectrwm you can
have window titles if you want them but I haven't tried it. I don't
really have much need for window titles.

Status bar: in spectrwm you can optionally have no frame at all in
fullscreen when you turn off the status bar. An absolutely minimal
screen.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE




Le 09.04.2013 17:07, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 16:59 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org 
wrote:

Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
> Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories?

42.


Perhaps some Babel fishes would help, since language barriers seem to 
be
not unimportant. And IIRC Deep Thought build a nice gun. However, 42 
is
not the answer, resp. if it should be the answer, than we now found 
the

question?!


The only intent of that (stupid) message was to make stop the hot words 
:)



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RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg

2013-04-09 Thread keshav prabhakar

hit the 'send' button too soon. sorry.
> I don't understand. Did you reboot into your install after rebuilding
> the initramfs or did you re-install?
> 
> Did you get "No root file system found" after rebuilding the initramfs
> or after the re-install?
> 

apologies for not being clear earlier. Yes, I rebooted into the new install 
after rebuilding the root file system using `update-initramfs` and it worked 
just fine. That is, now the new OS is operational and running. The question I 
have is, why did I get the error ('no root file system found' during install) 
in the first place and is there a way fix it?
Thanks again for the clue regarding update-initramfs! At least, I know that the 
install is successful.
From: kes...@hotmail.com
To: tomh0...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:43:44 -0500




really apologize for not responding sooner.
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:08:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
> From: tomh0...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM, keshav prabhakar  wrote:
> >>
> >> I just remembered, I'm using a linux 5 template ('Guest OS: Debian
> >> GNU/Linux 5 (64-bit)') to install Debian 6. not sure if that's causing the
> >> issue, somehow. (I'm using ESXi 4.0 server, which is quite old and it
> >> doesn't support 'Debian GNU/Linux 6' as one of the templates). Let me try
> >> with a Debian 5 ISO and see if the installer can find the disk.
> >
> > I was in fact (unknowingly) using a Debian 5 ISO over a 'Debian GNU/Linux 5
> > (64-bit)' template which was causing it not to get me into the shell on root
> > partition file system. Now, with a debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso, I was
> > able to get to shell on the root file system in rescue mode.
> >
> > Then I ran `update-initramfs -u -v` followed by `update-grub`. They both
> > appear to run fine (without showing any errors) though I didn't understand
> > much about why they needed to be run. Is there anything in the output that
> > I should be looking for?
> >
> > I tried running the preseed file again after this but the installer stopped
> > at the same place as before ("No root file system found").
> >
> > perhaps, I should try recreating a new initramfs? (`update-initramfs -d`
> > followed by `update-initramfs -c`)?
> 
> I don't understand. Did you reboot into your install after rebuilding
> the initramfs or did you re-install?
> 
> Did you get "No root file system found" after rebuilding the initramfs
> or after the re-install?
> 
> 
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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)




Le 09.04.2013 17:44, Anthony Campbell a écrit :

On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Interesting.

I just would like to notify you of some imprecise expressions which
could lead to error: "But I mostly work in stacked mode" you should
have speak about stacked layout, since the stacking mode is the one
used by most


Not sure about this. I know about the distinction betwee stacked and
tiling WMs, but i3 seems to use "mode" and "layout" interchangeably.


I did not meant that you do not know the distinction, it is simply that 
I generally prefer to use good words, and I thought it was a negligence 
of yours. The link to the article was simply to prove my words, nothing 
more and nothing less.



From the i3 man page:


   Containers [i.e. windows] can be used in various LAYOUTS.
   The default MODE is called "default" and just  resizes
   each client equally so that it fits.


Ah. True, I did not noticed.


And about the problem you found with it, I wonder why you do not use
the tabbed layout? (I thought it was possible to hide title bars,
but while reading the doc it appears that I was wrong... But I just
discovered that there is an option to hide the status bar, nice!)


I did use the tabbed layout but the titles took up a lot of 
horizontal

space, which was worse than having them vertically.


Here, stacked layout takes much more space than tabbed... titles takes 
all horizontal space anyway, but in stacked they also stack, which makes 
them take more vertical space...
Speaking about that, it seems that the title disabling only works in 
tiling mode, maybe I should report a bug... I do not know maybe it is 
normal...



In spectrwm you can
have window titles if you want them but I haven't tried it. I don't
really have much need for window titles.


To be honest, I must admit I found them absolutely useless too in 
tiling layout. But in stacked or tabbed ones, how could I see on what 
kind of window I'll go if I can not see their titles? (I guess this is 
why they are preserved by i3 in those layouts?)


If I understand, what you want is a fullscreen mode where you can still 
switch windows?



Status bar: in spectrwm you can optionally have no frame at all in
fullscreen when you turn off the status bar. An absolutely minimal
screen.


Same in i3 here. The bar is even stopped to limit battery consumption 
says the doc, but I think it is a new feature of 4.4 since I really did 
not remember anything about that before.



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Re: gdm does not start; lost networking

That's the culprit:

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2389): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **:
Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception invoking
org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAuthorizations()
on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name
org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed:
Cannot determine session the caller is in
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource
temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily
unavailable) on X server :0.0.
update-notifier: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X
server :0.0.
Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension
kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable)
on X server :0.0.

FWIW do you need the touchpad yet? Could you disable or unplug it, since
there's an touchpad related error too? Perhaps both errors are related
to each other? If you e.g. want to run something as user B, by a session
of user A, e.g. by gksudo, than you need to run "xhost +" first.

However, I need a rest and can't help right now, I'm unable to think
technically now and I planed to make music for hours, but was caught
emotionally by an off-topic discussion. Usually I'm not emotionally
involved even not for most strange disputes, but in this case, it was
about a conspiracy against Linux and I wasn't smart and did care too
much about that crap, because people were discredited with photos.

Sorry, you should google for authentication etc.. Too funny, the kit
family was part of this conspiracy discussion :D, that ended with the
Godwin's state.


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INN2 and Authentication.

2013-04-09 Thread Nick Falcone

I am in the process of setting up an INN2, newsgroup server for small
community discussion.

So far I have INN2 working fine with no authentication and no SSL, but I
will definitely need these working before I am confident in letting this
service out.  Does anyone have any experience with setting this up?

 I have read the man pages and google, and have seen some reference to
ckpassword (which is not available for debian?).  Anyone help with
authentication would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


nick

Re: gdm does not start; lost networking

2013-04-09 Thread Chris Fisichella


Ralf Mardorf :


That's the culprit:

(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2389): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING

**:

Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception

invoking



org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAuthorizations()

on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name
org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed:
Cannot determine session the caller is in
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource
temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily
unavailable) on X server :0.0.
update-notifier: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X
server :0.0.
Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension
kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily

unavailable)

on X server :0.0.

FWIW do you need the touchpad yet? Could you disable or unplug it,

since

there's an touchpad related error too? Perhaps both errors are

related

to each other? If you e.g. want to run something as user B, by a

session

of user A, e.g. by gksudo, than you need to run "xhost +" first.

However, I need a rest and can't help right now, I'm unable to think
technically now and I planed to make music for hours, but was caught
emotionally by an off-topic discussion. Usually I'm not emotionally
involved even not for most strange disputes, but in this case, it

was

about a conspiracy against Linux and I wasn't smart and did care too
much about that crap, because people were discredited with photos.

Sorry, you should google for authentication etc.. Too funny, the kit
family was part of this conspiracy discussion :D, that ended with

the

Godwin's state.


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Okay, thanks for the help.

I went to the Debian Squeeze package page for gdm3 and looked for the  
X11 dependencies. I used them in an apt-get install --reinstall  
command as follows:


apt-get install --reinstall libx11-6 libxau6 libxdmcp6

and the Gnome Desktop is back.

Best Regards,
Chris


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Re: gdm does not start; lost networking

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 12:35 -0400, Chris Fisichella wrote:
> Okay, thanks for the help.
> 
> I went to the Debian Squeeze package page for gdm3 and looked for the  
> X11 dependencies. I used them in an apt-get install --reinstall  
> command as follows:
> 
> apt-get install --reinstall libx11-6 libxau6 libxdmcp6
> 
> and the Gnome Desktop is back.

:)

I didn't know that, but it sounds plausible that this could change
something, regarding to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libxau6 :

"This package provides the main interface to the X11 authorisation
handling, which controls authorisation for X connections, both
client-side and server-side."

Perhaps somebody can enlighten us, how the authorisation is handled
without this library.

Regards,
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debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

2013-04-09 Thread David Christensen


debian-user:

I have an Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard with integrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150 
graphics and a fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64, XFCE desktop, and 
xdm display manager.  The display seems to be running at 1024x768 @ 60 Hz.


I booted in recovery mode and ran:

# Xorg -configure

which created /root/xorg.conf.new.  But when I try to use that file, X 
hangs when starting.


I have used the proprietary NVIDIA driver in the past, but would like to 
use the free Debian drivers instead.


1.  I can determine the current resolution and refresh via Start -> 
System -> Preferences -> Monitors, but I cannot change those settings.


2.  How do I determine the current color depth (e.g. 8/16/24 bits per 
pixel)?


3.  How do I change the display settings -- resolution, refresh, color 
depth?



TIA,

David


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Joel Roth wrote:
> > Dirk wrote:
> > > http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png
> > > https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623
> > 
> > I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus,
> > with which I was minimally acquainted.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus
> > 
> > D-Bus has replaced Bonobo (originated by the Gnome project) and
> > DCOP (originated by the KDE project). It seems to have
> > technical merits.
> >  
> > Clearly the effort is a troll, created by a kid (or childish
> > adult) with nothing better to do. 
> 
> dbus often is a PITA! But we should talk about dbus and other issues,
> not start witch-hunting.
 
Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as
CORBA?


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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:59 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> debian-user:
> 
> I have an Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard with integrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150 
> graphics and a fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64, XFCE desktop, and 
> xdm display manager.  The display seems to be running at 1024x768 @ 60 Hz.
> 
> I booted in recovery mode and ran:
> 
>  # Xorg -configure
> 
> which created /root/xorg.conf.new.  But when I try to use that file, X 
> hangs when starting.
> 
> I have used the proprietary NVIDIA driver in the past, but would like to 
> use the free Debian drivers instead.
> 
> 1.  I can determine the current resolution and refresh via Start -> 
> System -> Preferences -> Monitors, but I cannot change those settings.
> 
> 2.  How do I determine the current color depth (e.g. 8/16/24 bits per 
> pixel)?
> 
> 3.  How do I change the display settings -- resolution, refresh, color 
> depth?

I recommend to use a more or less classical xorg.conf. I'm still using
CRTs myself.

>From my current Ubuntu:

$ cat /mnt/q/etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
DisplaySize  305 230
HorizSync29-98
VertRefresh  50-120
modeline "1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
Gamma1.0
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "radeon"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth   24
Modes  "1152x864"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Depending to the used card, I get different options to set up different
resolutions and frequencies by the Xfce GUI, with equal settings for the
monitor. There are more choices for my NVIDIA card. However usually I
need 1152x864 at a much higher rate than even 70Hz, currently it's 90Hz
and that's ok.

Useful information would be the vendor and model of your monitor and
your xorg.conf.


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dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > dbus often is a PITA!
>  
> Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as
> CORBA?

No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,
such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus,
since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle
this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without
X, IIUC.

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Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> Status bar: in spectrwm you can optionally have no frame at all in
> fullscreen when you turn off the status bar. An absolutely minimal
> screen.

That is the default in Stumpwm. The behavior is similiar to
and inspired by GNU screen.
 

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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > dbus often is a PITA!
> >  
> > Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as
> > CORBA?
> 
> No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,
> such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus,
> since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle
> this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without
> X, IIUC.

Oops, perhaps you mean that they were less good :D. I confused it with
the word "successor" and noticed it after I sent the mail.



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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Erwan David


Le 09/04/2013 19:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:

dbus often is a PITA!
  
Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as

CORBA?

No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,
such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus,
since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle
this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without
X, IIUC.


WHen reporting erreor messages when emacs-gtk from a ssh -X session, I 
was told that "it's normal that it won't work since it uses dbus". Since 
then I have a bad feeling with dbus dependencies which seem to reduce 
the capabilities of otherwise perfectly working software.



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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> WHen reporting erreor messages when emacs-gtk from a ssh -X session, I 
> was told that "it's normal that it won't work since it uses dbus". Since 
> then I have a bad feeling with dbus dependencies which seem to reduce 
> the capabilities of otherwise perfectly working software.

AFAIK jack2 does work perfectly with dbus too, but using it without dbus
is KISS/idiot-proof and using it with dbus is rocket science.


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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > dbus often is a PITA!
> > >  
> > > Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as
> > > CORBA?
> > 
> > No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,
> > such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus,
> > since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle
> > this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without
> > X, IIUC.
> 
> Oops, perhaps you mean that they were less good :D. I confused it with
> the word "successor" and noticed it after I sent the mail.
 
Perhaps D-Bus is not good, but maybe it is less bad?

I'll go on the record in favor of configurability: good to 
be able to opt out if you don't need it.

( /me doesn't know if he needs it or not. )


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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:42:59PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 .snip
> 
> You now behave exactly as the OP does! My intention clearly is, that
> it's not ok to discredit folks from upstream, just because we have
> different opinions. And it's not ok when you now discredit me by
> grotesque conclusions. When I describe the world as it is, that doesn't
> mean that I like it that way. Don't kill the messenger for the bad news,
> he just reports the news and didn't make them.
> 
> Show me were I claimed that "all muslims are terrorists"!
> 
> What happened to this list?
> 
> "MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE"
> 
> Any evidence?
> 
> And again "all muslims are terrorists" was written by me were and when?
> 
> If your sick mind guess something is "implied", written between the
> lines, then it's your and not my problem! I don't tolerate to discredit
> others and I also don't tolerate to discredit me.
> 
> I'm against violence and lies. Muslims e.g. killed an ambassador because
> somebody made a harmless odd video and it wasn't the ambassador who made
> this video. You are angry about me and other people that are innocent.
> We aren't violent!
> 
> If you feel offended by truth, than don't counterattack with lies! Or
> are you simply unable to understand the truth?

Why are you replying to and castigating yourself?

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check the price of the beer.
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Channel Bonding Problem.

2013-04-09 Thread Alessandro Baggi


Hi list,
i'm trying to setup channel bonding on debian with modes active-backup.
For testing I'm using an old hp desktop (7 years old) with two nic

1) Integrate Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 GB [eth1]
2) Nic pci 3com 3c905C-TX/TX-M Fast Ethernet [eth0]


This is my (very simple) configuration:

iface bond0 inet static
address ip
netmask ...
gateway ...
slaves eth0 eth1
bond-miimon 100
bond-updelay 200
bond-downdelay 200
bond-mode 1


My test starts with eth0 as active slave. Disconnecting eth0 cable I 
must wait beetwen 5 and 30 secs to get slave change. This is translated 
as packet lost.

After this n seconds the bond0 starts to work with the second slave.
At this point I reconnect eth0 cable and eth1 remains the active slave 
as configured.
Disconnecting eth1 cable, the slave change is performed immediately on 
eth0 without packet loss.

Performing the first operation the problem persists.

I've tried also with mode 6 without good result.

My first test was performed with a switch AT-8326GB (10 years old). I've 
changed this switch with a simple not-managed switch gb with 5 ports and 
the problem persists.


I've tried also to install and use for bonding two newer nic with chip 
rtl8139D without good result.


I've ridden on bonding.txt on kernel.org that some switch can cause 
different problems. I've tried to increase miimon, updelay and 
downdelay, but nothing.


I've tried to set on of two nics as primary with primary_reselect, nothing.

Sure this is not an hardware problem, but a misconfiguration.

Can some one point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

See you, Alessandro.


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[closed] MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

I guess the thread should be closed? I'm not the OP, but I don't care
and close it now. I know it's arrogant to do it.

If somebody is interested to continue, please do it at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2013-April/date.html

http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic

I won't continue, even not at that list.

TIA,
Ralf

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Very funny ;). It might be stupid to reply and sending a post scriptum
makes it more stupid. I still wonder that those photos are tolerated.


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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Joel Roth  wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
>> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > > > dbus often is a PITA!
>> > >
>> > > Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as
>> > > CORBA?
>> >
>> > No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,
>> > such as jackd/jackdmp. I'm aware that I can use jackdmp without dbus,
>> > since I'm already doing this and I read that others are able to handle
>> > this dbus issue even when they run jack with dbus for sessions without
>> > X, IIUC.
>>
>> Oops, perhaps you mean that they were less good :D. I confused it with
>> the word "successor" and noticed it after I sent the mail.
>
> Perhaps D-Bus is not good, but maybe it is less bad?
>
> I'll go on the record in favor of configurability: good to
> be able to opt out if you don't need it.
>
> ( /me doesn't know if he needs it or not. )

D-Bus is good overall... There could definitely be improvements in
remote connections though. I think there are workarounds... I use only
CLI over SSH, though, so I never messed with it.

CORBA was just terrible. I have encountered it a bit in the old Gnome
days, and on AIX with CDE. Believe me, you don't want to deal with its
bullshit. And that is coming from a user/admin POV. From everything I
have heard it was worse for a programmer. I have done some simple Dbus
stuff in Python and such, it seems simple enough. I never want to have
to program any Corba...

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

2013-04-09 Thread Bob Proulx

Thilo Six wrote:
> Excerpt from Bob Proulx:
> >>>   # rsync -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
> >>>   # rsync -n --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
> >>>   # rsync --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
> >>
> >> I believe this not to be a good idea. When you do this you mess around with
> >> config files under the control of dpkg. With all the mess that creates.
> > 
> > Thank you for the review comment!  However I respectfully disagree.
> 
> I gather we do have different opinions and workflows in this regard which is
> absolutely fine.
> Maybe i am too worried about this rsync method. Probably due to past
> experiences. But it is just too easy to overlook s.th. see below.

At one level the problem is that there are a lot of files in /etc.
Too many to keep completely in human brain memory all at one time.
Plus files will either exist or not exist based upon what packages are
installed on system making the list impossible to enumerate statically.

But I actually think we are closer to the same than different.  More
in a moment.

> > And apparently you do as well because you immediately suggested
> > etckeeper which does exactly the same thing of managing files in /etc.
> > It is the same thing but simply using a different tool.
> 
> In this regard i do have an other POV then you. I do believe that
> etckeeper does not change any file in /etc without manually
> intervention.  (Obviously files in '/etc/.vcs' are excluded from
> this rule.)  So i think this is different from the rsync operation
> you suggested.

Well...  I would claim that rsync does not touch any files other than
by manual intervention too.  One must invoke the command for it to do
anything.  The issue in my mind is not the tool and the implication of
how sweeping of changes it can make at one time but rather whether it
is okay to make any changes at all.  If it is okay to make changes
(which it is) then whether the modifications are done small scale or
large scale is simply a matter of scale.  Rsync is definitely a large
scale autoautomatic sweeping tool.  Whereas etckeeper as I unerstand
it is more of a controlled manual targeted tool.

But I acknowledge and concede your point.  /etc contains a large and
unknown set of items.  Some of those unknown items should not be
restored from backup.  Then using a large sweeping tool like rsync to
sweep *all* of the files into place is undoubtedly going to sweep in
something that should not be restored from backup.

* The new system is brand new.  The task is to make it look like the
old system.  Therefore there is no problem with restoring /etc/apache2
completely from backup for example.  And if a completely restoration
is the task then exactly that is needed.  Make the new system look
exactly like the old system.

* But the new system is a brand new install, not a clone, and some
files must remain unique.  Such as UUIDs in /etc/fstab, /etc/lvm,
/etc/mdadm, /etc/udev/rules and others as you and I have both pointed
out.

> Let me tell you why i suggested etckeeper.
> Here i use it to commit /etc into $VCS on a regularly basis. This helps me to
> keep track of what is going on in /etc.
> Being able to compare my modifications with the original is a feature you 
> surely
> will not miss anymore, after you get used to it.

This is where our strategy of attack on the problem is different.  I
started from the idea that there are a lot of files in /etc but only a
few of them need to be excluded from the restoration.  Therefore
identify the files that should be excluded.  Then restore everything
*except* for the files that should be excluded.  Whereas I think you
were started from the idea that there a lot of files in /etc and only
the known okay files to restore should be restored.  Identify the
files that should be restored and only restore those files.

Basically one strategy is include all but those excluded and the other
strategy is exclude all but those included.

I think we are in agreement that some files must be restored and some
files must be excluded.  We differ on the technique to get there.

> > Most files in /etc are "conffiles".  They are within the realm of
> > control of the user.  Changes to them are understood and respected by
> > the package manager.  There isn't any "mess" caused by interaction
> > with dpkg.
> 
> I do have to commit that i did not spent time yet to understand that 
> "conffiles"
> system deeply.

There is also two strategies to attack this problem too.  Either
install the desired configuration from backup first and then install
the packages selecting the exising conffiles.  Or install the packages
without any existing configuration and after installation restore the
previous files from backup.  I had proposed the first with restoring
the /etc files first.  But either should result in the same end
system.

> I do have this snipped in my '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local' though:
> // --force-confold:
> // do not modify the current configuration file, the new version is installed
> //

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:47 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> D-Bus is good overall... There could definitely be improvements in
> remote connections though. I think there are workarounds... [snip]

DBus isn't an issue for applications you'll use with a desktop
environment, when those apps should communicate with each other, but it
could become an issue, if apps should run on other setups (too) and it's
an issue if simple commands that worked before, then won't work anymore,
the user has to read tons of explanations and to do complicated things.
Clueless users run into issues with jackd(mp), since they were not aware
that they can use jackd without DBus, resp. they perhaps were not aware
that it does run with DBus on their machines.

"Last year everything was ok, I updated Jack and this or that doesn't
work anymore." - Imaginary User

There are examples for other software, than DBus, where dependencies
made production environments unusable, e.g. when the hard dependency to
pulseaudio was added and disabling or coexisting didn't work. For other
stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does
extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows
upstream and there were many issues when they switched to systemd.

IMO unneeded hard dependencies are an issue for several applications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

Often new policies tend to break PC environments and are only an
advantage for mobiles and tablet PCs.

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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver


On Tue, April 9, 2013 6:02 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:28 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:11PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I
>> use
>> > it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people
>> > won't call Islamic nations that kill their own and other people
>> "banana
>> > republic". When I call those nations "banana republics" the term I use
>> > is much more harmless, then the terms that are usually used to
>> describe
>> > such countries.
>>
>> Ralf, that's not what "banana republic" means. It refers to ... well,
>> read
>> the Wiki article. You can't just redefine the word because you wish it
>> meant
>> something else. "Corruption-riddled states ruled by strongmen" are just
>> that, not "banana republics".
>
> We could go more and more off-topic about how semantics of words differs
> by colloquial language and even how it differs for scientific and
> philosophical terms. The original email fits to the behaviour of "banana
> republic" and of "Corruption-riddled states ruled by strongmen", the
> context should have made clear what I meant. More important than
> semantics of the individual term is the context of the words. If
> somebody completely uneducated does use words in a completely wrong way,
> the context still could make clear what he wants to say.
>
> "civilized" is also a very vague term ;),

The Oxford University Press defines "civilise" as "bring (a place or
people) to a stage of social development considered to be more advanced",
which basically means that an Aboriginal Australian that successfully
exists in the middle of the Simpson Desert is more civilised than an upper
class Englishman dumped down into the same environment, who will die
within three days.

> but I also wrote about
> "witch-hunting" ... a witch isn't male, so also a wrong term?

No, there are male witches, also.


Why are you trying to turn Debian into a `banana republic'?
Do you work secretly for Microsoft?
Kind regards,

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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

OT regarding to dbus:

I wrote:
> For other
> stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does
> extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows
> upstream and there were many issues when they switched to systemd.

http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=udev

Perhaps nobody needs to do a hard job until now. I'm not aware when they
merged udev and systemd, but all Debian versions of udev are completely
outdated. Latest version of udev for Debian is 175-7.1.

Arch Linux:
$ pacman -Q systemd
systemd 200-1


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Re: dbus

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> DBus isn't an issue for applications you'll use with a desktop
> environment, when those apps should communicate with each other, but it
> could become an issue, if apps should run on other setups (too) and it's
> an issue if simple commands that worked before, then won't work anymore,
> the user has to read tons of explanations and to do complicated things.
> Clueless users run into issues with jackd(mp), since they were not aware
> that they can use jackd without DBus, resp. they perhaps were not aware
> that it does run with DBus on their machines.

I see that while the jackd1 package doesn't require DBus, jackd2 does.


 
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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

2013-04-09 Thread Bob Proulx

Thilo Six wrote:
> Excerpt from sirquij...@lavabit.com:
> > insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service
> # Provides:  nfs-common
> # Required-Start:$portmap $time
> # Required-Stop: $time
> # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 S
> ...
> I suppose the line '# Default-Start:' to be different on your computer.

Or possibly the /etc/rc?.d/S*nfs-common scripts were removed?  I think
that is the problem.  How did they get removed?

  find /etc/rc?.d -name 'S*nfs-common'

If that output is empty then the nfs-common needs to be installed
again.  The package itself can be reconfigured and it will do the
update-rc.d install task.  Then reconfigure nfs-kernel-common too.

  # dpkg-reconfigure nfs-common
  # dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-common

> > So, the LSB error is absent, but the nfs-kernel-server error still
> > exists..
> 
> No clearly there is a LSB header issue. insserv complaints that it
> the initscript 'nfs-kernel-server' tells it, that
> 'nfs-kernel-server' depends on on the functionality provided by
> 'nfs-common'. But since 'nfs-common' is disabled it can't fullfill
> the requirtment.

Agreed.

> >  Clearly they're not connected, and I'm not sure how necessary moving my
> > command to rc.local actually was.

It was certainly necessary.  But unfortunately it was only the first
error.  There is a second error to fix behind it.

> > I then ran "/etc/init.d/nfs-common start" and used aptitude to upgrade
> > another package, and received the exact same error messages - oddly it
> > still says, "Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service
> > nfs-kernel-server" even though I checked and idmapd and statd (the
> > processes initiated by the previous init command) were definitely running..

You started the process manually.  That doesn't mean it was enabled
for automated start at boot time.  And in fact since you needed to
start it manually it says that it wasn't enabled to start at boot time.

> you can use:
> insserv -v
> 
> to manually call insserv. It will tell you the same error messages
> as during apt operation until the initscripts are fixed.

Yes.  This is a good plan to work through the problems with missing
LSB headers.  But there is an additional case which is when
update-rc.d is called by the package in the postinst to install a
server.  It will complain if a dependency is not enabled.  I think
that is what is happening here.  I think all of the S*nfs-common links
have been removed.

Note my research test case.

  root@junk:~# find /etc/rc?.d -name '*nfs-common' -delete
  root@junk:~# insserv  # purposeful quiet, to avoid a lot of output
  root@junk:~# insserv -v
  insserv: creating .depend.boot
  insserv: creating .depend.start
  insserv: creating .depend.stop
  root@junk:~# echo $?
  0

But:

  root@junk:~# update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server defaults 20 80
  update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
  insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service 
nfs-kernel-server
  insserv: exiting now!
  root@junk:~# echo $?
  1

I will pull back to the safer higher level tool "dpkg-reconfigure"
which runs the postinst scripts.

  root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server
  insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service 
nfs-kernel-server
  insserv: exiting now!
  update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header

To fix it means enabling nfs-common to start.  This can be done with
update-rc.d but the safe answer is to use dpkg-reconfigure and let it
run the postinst script.  Here is the fix.

  root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-common
  Stopping NFS common utilities: idmapd statd.
  Starting NFS common utilities: statd idmapd.
  root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server
  Stopping NFS kernel daemon: mountd nfsd.
  Unexporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
  Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
  Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsd mountd.

Bob

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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 09:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> OT regarding to dbus:
> 
> I wrote:
> > For other
> > stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does
> > extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows
> > upstream and there were many issues when they switched to systemd.

According to the announcement at the time,
udev is designed to build separately, without systemd
for use under conditions (such as initrd) where
systemd is not available.

https://lwn.net/Articles/490413/
 
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=udev
> 
> Perhaps nobody needs to do a hard job until now. I'm not aware when they
> merged udev and systemd, but all Debian versions of udev are completely
> outdated. Latest version of udev for Debian is 175-7.1.
> 
> Arch Linux:
> $ pacman -Q systemd
> systemd 200-1

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Re: Pioneer BDR-206 Internal Blu-Ray Disc DVD/CD writer and Debian

2013-04-09 Thread David Christensen


On 04/03/13 22:05, David Christensen wrote:

I looks like it's time for a backup/ wipe/ reinstall cycle.


I wiped the system drive and did a fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64. 
 The system is able to burn DVD-R discs correctly.  However, it fails 
to burn Blu-Ray discs:


1.  I insert a blank BD-R disc.

2.  A window "CD/DVD Creator - File Browser" opens.  Help -> About shows 
Nautilus 2.30.1.


3.  I drag a ~12 GB file to "CD/DVD Creator Folder" and click "Write to 
Disc".


4.  A pop-up "Do you really want to add ... and use the third version of 
the ISO9660 standard ..." appears.  I click "Always add such file".


5.  I click "properties", and confirm "Burning speed" is set to "Maximum 
speed" and "Temporary files" is set to a directory I own with plenty of 
room.


6.  I set the "Disc name" field and click "Burn".

7.  A pop-up appears "Simulation of disc burning.  Ejecting medium".

8.  The disc is ejected.

9.  Another pop-up appears "Error while burning.  Merging of data is 
impossible with this disc".  I click "Save log" (see below).


Any suggestions?

TIA,

David

$ cat brasero-session.log
Checking session consistency (brasero_burn_check_session_consistency 
brasero-burn.c:1741)
Session error : Merging data is impossible with this disc 
(brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2839)




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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick

> D-Bus is good overall... 

The good thing about standard IPC was that you would have to develop
the protocol etc.. which means if your app used it.

1./ You needed to use it otherwise you wouldn't.
2./ You made an app specific mechanism (very good if your good but
could be bad, the latter is what dbus tackles)

The problem with dbus isn't dbus, it is that developers are becoming a
big problem because they are using it way too much as a first choice.
You should only use dbus when you need to. Some software is
unfortunately encouraging this and in turn other bad practices.

Take Windows, atleast XP (I haven't looked so close since but I expect
little has changed in this department), Scripts have to be enabled to
activate XP and IPC is required for almost everything. Try switching
off RPC (prepare to reboot to re-enable it), and guess what, Windows is
completely unreliable and insecure.

Polkit instead of sudo, IPC and scripts when neither are required or a
good choice. The reason for IPC, because it wasn't designed for just the
task that sudo does. Why polkit is used rather than sudo because polkits
author helped write the odd script like pm-suspend and is in with the
udisks author. What I really don't get though is why there are so many
easily avoidable hard dependencies.

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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

2013-04-09 Thread David Christensen


On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:59 -0700, David Christensen wrote:

... fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64, XFCE desktop, and xdm display manager.


I've since wiped the drive and done a fresh reinstall using defaults:

desktop is gnome 1:2.30+7

display manager is gdm3 2.30.5-6squeeze4

On 04/09/13 10:21, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Useful information would be the vendor and model of your monitor


Nokia 445XiPlus.

I usually run this at 1600x1200, 85 Hz, 24 bpp.


and your xorg.conf.


There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the system -- X hangs if this file exists.

xorg.conf.new and Xorg.0.log are here:


http://holgerdanske.com/users/dpchrist/bug-reports/debian/squeeze/amd64/X/

David


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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

Too funny, under the jokes is one, asking to merge it with dbus.

"Udev and systemd to merge
Posted Apr 3, 2012 22:31 UTC
Next step is of course to integrate D-Bus in systemd, no?"

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:32 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/490413/

I don't know if systemd and udev still can be easily separated. I don't
think so.

Does anybody know?

I guess what does cause all that frustration is, that nobody can follow
all those new changes and instead of maintaining one project, they (or
we, the community) too often drop and replaced projects.

Btw. does Debian still auto-mount to /media or did it also adapt the new
file system hierarchy?

I guess regarding to DBus everything was said?

DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented
without thinking about the needs of all users?


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Re: Pioneer BDR-206 Internal Blu-Ray Disc DVD/CD writer and Debian

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 13:54 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> Nautilus 2.30.1.
> Any suggestions?

A live CD with a more recent version, just for test purpose?
I prefer long term versions, old software that is known to work, but I
had to drop my Debian, because (not only) hardware needs recent versions
of the kernel and sometimes even of user space.

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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 14:19 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:59 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> >> ... fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64, XFCE desktop, and xdm display 
> >> manager.
> 
> I've since wiped the drive and done a fresh reinstall using defaults:
> 
>  desktop is gnome 1:2.30+7
> 
>  display manager is gdm3 2.30.5-6squeeze4
> 
> On 04/09/13 10:21, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Useful information would be the vendor and model of your monitor
> 
> Nokia 445XiPlus.
> 
> I usually run this at 1600x1200, 85 Hz, 24 bpp.
> 
> > and your xorg.conf.
> 
> There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the system -- X hangs if this file exists.
> 
> xorg.conf.new and Xorg.0.log are here:
> 
>  
> http://holgerdanske.com/users/dpchrist/bug-reports/debian/squeeze/amd64/X/
> 
> David
> 
> 

I would boot it with xorg.conf available and after it failed run

grep EE /etc/X11/xorg.conf

or where ever it should be located, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/?*

When opening your links they were not good formatted, but there are
mouse and keyboard settings. Removing mouse and keyboard from xorg.conf
might help.


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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 23:43 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I would boot it with xorg.conf available and after it failed run
> 
> grep EE /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> 
> or where ever it should be located, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/?*
> 
> When opening your links they were not good formatted, but there are
> mouse and keyboard settings. Removing mouse and keyboard from xorg.conf
> might help.

:D

I'm sorry, it should be

grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log


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Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 22:59 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> What I really don't get though is why there are so many
> easily avoidable hard dependencies.

+1

We can see what projects come with the most hilarious dependencies and
that's why we should avoid EMONG, or similar, have forgotten the name.



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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

2013-04-09 Thread Benjamin Egner


On 04/09/2013 07:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:59 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
   

debian-user:

I have an Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard with integrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150
graphics and a fresh install of debian-6.0.7-amd64, XFCE desktop, and
xdm display manager.  The display seems to be running at 1024x768 @ 60 Hz.

I booted in recovery mode and ran:

  # Xorg -configure

which created /root/xorg.conf.new.  But when I try to use that file, X
hangs when starting.

I have used the proprietary NVIDIA driver in the past, but would like to
use the free Debian drivers instead.

1.  I can determine the current resolution and refresh via Start ->
System ->  Preferences ->  Monitors, but I cannot change those settings.

2.  How do I determine the current color depth (e.g. 8/16/24 bits per
pixel)?

3.  How do I change the display settings -- resolution, refresh, color
depth?
 

I recommend to use a more or less classical xorg.conf. I'm still using
CRTs myself.

> From my current Ubuntu:

$ cat /mnt/q/etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
DisplaySize  305 230
HorizSync29-98
VertRefresh  50-120
modeline "1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
Gamma1.0
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "radeon"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth   24
Modes  "1152x864"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Depending to the used card, I get different options to set up different
resolutions and frequencies by the Xfce GUI, with equal settings for the
monitor. There are more choices for my NVIDIA card. However usually I
need 1152x864 at a much higher rate than even 70Hz, currently it's 90Hz
and that's ok.

Useful information would be the vendor and model of your monitor and
your xorg.conf.


   
Last time I had trouble with monitor resolutions, I dealt with it using 
`xrandr'.



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Re: debian-6.0.7-amd64 how to set resolution and refresh for free NVIDIA X drivers?

On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 00:12 +0200, Benjamin Egner wrote: 

> Last time I had trouble with monitor resolutions, I dealt with it using 
> `xrandr'

I found a German Wiki, since the OP has got a German email adresse I'll
post it:

http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/RandR

I don't know if it does work, at least the modeline differs, if I use
the values my monitor does run in real live, using the xorg.conf.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep modeli /etc/X11/xorg.conf
modeline"1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cvt 1152 864 90
# 1152x864 89.80 Hz (CVT) hsync: 81.99 kHz; pclk: 127.25 MHz
Modeline "1152x864_90.00"  127.25  1152 1232 1352 1552  864 867 871 913 -hsync 
+vsync

And how can the depth be set?
http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man1/xrandr.1.html

I didn't read it, I just searched by Ctrl+F.

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