root on console accepting all the passwords but SSH access denied

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

i just uninstalled these packages

libkrb53
krb5-config
krb5-user
samba
winbind
ntpdate
ntp

now when i try to connect via console i mean directly by the machine
it accepts everything as password for root and let me in weather right
password or wrong and when i ssh remotely it give me access deny even
for the real password.

please help

Thanks,


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Re: root on console accepting all the passwords but SSH access denied

[J. Bakshi]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:01:13 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:

> i just uninstalled these packages
> 
> libkrb53
> krb5-config
> krb5-user
> samba
> winbind
> ntpdate
> ntp
> 
> now when i try to connect via console i mean directly by the machine
> it accepts everything as password for root and let me in weather right
> password or wrong and when i ssh remotely it give me access deny even
> for the real password.
> 
> please help
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and check if root access is disable


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Re: How to retrieve package source from arbitrary repository

[Malte Forkel]

Am 06.04.2012 19:03, schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> 
> Not what you're asking for, but debcheckout (in package devscripts) may 
> be useful for you.
> 

Thanks, Andrei. Not quite what I need, unfortenately.

I'm still looking for a tool that will determine the URI of the source
package's .dsc file, given a repository base URI and a package name.

Malte


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Re: root on console accepting all the passwords but SSH access denied

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

given are the only uncommented lines and rest of them all are comment

SendEnv LANG LC_*
HashKnownHosts yes
GSSAPIAuthentication yes
GSSAPIDelegateCredentials no

secondly now i can also login via SSH i dont know how. i have just
created a test user "adduser" command and followed the procedure.
first i couldn't log on to SSH via "test" user but after few minutes i
can access via user "test" and also via "root" but the problem is it
accepts every thing as password. i mean no matter what ever i put as a
password it let me login.

Help please.

Thanks,


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM, J. Bakshi  wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:01:13 +0500
> Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
>
>> i just uninstalled these packages
>>
>> libkrb53
>> krb5-config
>> krb5-user
>> samba
>> winbind
>> ntpdate
>> ntp
>>
>> now when i try to connect via console i mean directly by the machine
>> it accepts everything as password for root and let me in weather right
>> password or wrong and when i ssh remotely it give me access deny even
>> for the real password.
>>
>> please help
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>
> check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and check if root access is disable
>
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Re: TV with Linux

[Joe]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:41:57 +0100
Sian Mountbatten  wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> The subject is pretty confusing. I've ordered a Hauppauge DVD-T
> Nova-T USB stick and I've downloaded a 7zip file with all the
> firmware files required. I've been able to check that the firmware
> for the Nova-T is now installed in /lib/firmware. What now?
> 
> Ok, eventually the TV tuner will arrive and I've also ordered a small
> TV aerial. So, I connect the aerial to the tuner, connect the tuner
> to the PC via a USB port. Then what? I gather there is a remote
> control with 45 buttons on it. Seems a lot to me.
> 
> I've found a web page about XBMC and I've succeeded in compiling xbmc 
> for my Linux desktop. The xbmc-bin file is gigantic: 145MB of binary
> and it still requires 115 libraries! Do I have to have XBMC. What
> will it enable me to do which I couldn't do without?
> 
> Has anybody on the list got TV on Linux and, if so, what did you do
> to get it working? Any comments would be much appreciated (I don't
> have room for a standalone TV set so TV on Linux is my only option).
> 
> Regards
> --
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> Algol 68 specialist
> 
> 


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[closed]Re: root on console accepting all the passwords but SSH access denied

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

ok reinstalling the OS. i have a deadline to meet. so can not spent
time on troubleshooting.
Thanks for the support
may be i did some thing wrong in samba and active directory
integration but next time ill hopefully be very vigilant when playing
with the files.

Thanks anyways.



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
> given are the only uncommented lines and rest of them all are comment
>
>    SendEnv LANG LC_*
>    HashKnownHosts yes
>    GSSAPIAuthentication yes
>    GSSAPIDelegateCredentials no
>
> secondly now i can also login via SSH i dont know how. i have just
> created a test user "adduser" command and followed the procedure.
> first i couldn't log on to SSH via "test" user but after few minutes i
> can access via user "test" and also via "root" but the problem is it
> accepts every thing as password. i mean no matter what ever i put as a
> password it let me login.
>
> Help please.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM, J. Bakshi  wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:01:13 +0500
>> Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
>>
>>> i just uninstalled these packages
>>>
>>> libkrb53
>>> krb5-config
>>> krb5-user
>>> samba
>>> winbind
>>> ntpdate
>>> ntp
>>>
>>> now when i try to connect via console i mean directly by the machine
>>> it accepts everything as password for root and let me in weather right
>>> password or wrong and when i ssh remotely it give me access deny even
>>> for the real password.
>>>
>>> please help
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and check if root access is disable
>>
>>
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Re: Unstable: Gimp requires dbus and gconf2 now? fail.

[Miles Bader]

Jon Dowland  writes:
> I grudgingly use GIMP but wish I didn't have to.  Dependencies on
> DBUS and gconf2 are the least of its problems (if you consider those
> problems at all).  "MyPaint", which has been packaged, looks like a
> possibly replacement.

Hmm, if having almost no functionality at all is acceptable.

[Gimp may have its weirdnesses, but it does a _lot_ of stuff.]

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Re: TV with Linux

[richard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:41:57 +0100
Sian Mountbatten  wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> The subject is pretty confusing. I've ordered a Hauppauge DVD-T
> Nova-T USB stick and I've downloaded a 7zip file with all the
> firmware files required. I've been able to check that the firmware
> for the Nova-T is now installed in /lib/firmware. What now?
> 
> Ok, eventually the TV tuner will arrive and I've also ordered a small
> TV aerial. So, I connect the aerial to the tuner, connect the tuner
> to the PC via a USB port. Then what? I gather there is a remote
> control with 45 buttons on it. Seems a lot to me.
> 
> I've found a web page about XBMC and I've succeeded in compiling xbmc 
> for my Linux desktop. The xbmc-bin file is gigantic: 145MB of binary
> and it still requires 115 libraries! Do I have to have XBMC. What
> will it enable me to do which I couldn't do without?
> 
> Has anybody on the list got TV on Linux and, if so, what did you do
> to get it working? Any comments would be much appreciated (I don't
> have room for a standalone TV set so TV on Linux is my only option).
> 
> Regards
> --
> Sian Mountbatten
> Algol 68 specialist
> 
> 

Hi

I use kaffeine which works well with DVB, I tried others but not so
reliable.

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Re: Linux TV tuner

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 10 Apr 2012, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> I have decided to get a USB TV tuner so that I can use it with my
> sid(uction) box. I am in the UK. Will I need a TV licence?
It dependsa.  The tuner does not need a licence, the premises does.
So if there is already a TV there you are fine, but if this is the
only TV then yes, you do need a licence.

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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Antonio Fernández Pérez]

Sorry for delay to reply. I have been reading and testing some
configurations, but not works fine. I have could not setup a kiosk on
Debian that launch only a Java app on fullscreen mode.

Please, anybody could help me? give me some howto that works or something
to follow.

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Antonio.

2012/4/7 Chris Bannister 

> On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 12:47:56PM +0200, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I would like to get that a graphical application developed in Java runs
> on
> > startup of a Debian machine, if is possible without menu, without login
> > panel and without system messages. Obviously without update messages.
> >
> > I would to get a machine that works with this app on startup like as a
> > information point center. Do you understand me?
> >
> > I hope your help because I don't know if this is possible to do in Linux
> > Debian. I know that in Windows is possible but is more expensive than to
> do
> > it in Linux (Licenses).
> >
> > Thank you very much.
>
> Start here:
> http://linuxgazette.net/128/adam1.html
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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Tom Grace]

On 11/04/12 10:46, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> Please, anybody could help me? give me some howto that works or
> something to follow.
The article Chris Bannister linked looks to cover everything you'd need,
how far did you get before you hit trouble ?

> 2012/4/7 Chris Bannister  > 
> Start here:
> http://linuxgazette.net/128/adam1.html


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Re: /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument

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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Antonio Fernández Pérez]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I have followed it, but in some step I can't get launch a java app. Also, I
don't know what window manager I should to use, I think that a minimal
window manager...

I'm going to try again and if I have problems, I will come back again.

Best regards,

Antonio.

2012/4/11 Tom Grace 

> On 11/04/12 10:46, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> > Please, anybody could help me? give me some howto that works or
> > something to follow.
> The article Chris Bannister linked looks to cover everything you'd need,
> how far did you get before you hit trouble ?
>
> > 2012/4/7 Chris Bannister  > >
> > Start here:
> > http://linuxgazette.net/128/adam1.html
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Re: TV with Linux

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:41:57PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> The subject is pretty confusing. I've ordered a Hauppauge DVD-T
> Nova-T USB stick and I've downloaded a 7zip file with all the
> firmware files required. I've been able to check that the firmware
> for the Nova-T is now installed in /lib/firmware. What now?
> 
> Ok, eventually the TV tuner will arrive and I've also ordered a
> small TV aerial. So, I connect the aerial to the tuner, connect the
> tuner to the PC via a USB port. Then what? I gather there is a
> remote control with 45 buttons on it. Seems a lot to me.
> 
> I've found a web page about XBMC and I've succeeded in compiling
> xbmc for my Linux desktop. The xbmc-bin file is gigantic: 145MB of
> binary and it still requires 115 libraries! Do I have to have XBMC.
> What will it enable me to do which I couldn't do without?
> 
> Has anybody on the list got TV on Linux and, if so, what did you do
> to get it working? Any comments would be much appreciated (I don't
> have room for a standalone TV set so TV on Linux is my only option).

It depends on how you want to watch TV. I presume that, being USB, your
plan is to plug in and then start a program to just watch what's on TV
now?

Plenty of video apps will allow input from a TV tuner, so if you have
VLC, Kaffeine etc installed you may find they work (though they may
require knowledge of frequencies to tune to etc). For a higher-level
interface, try "tvtime". Right-clicking in the window will give you a
menu to set things up, then you should be able to use your cursor keys
to change channel.

If you plan to have the USB stick plugged in permanently and the PC on
24/7 they you may find a PVR more suitable (XBMC, MythTV etc are PVRs -
personal video recorders). These are basically daemons which monitor
your TV tuner and record the programs you want to watch. Just like a
TiVo if you're aware of them. You can, of course, watch Live TV with
them, but they are definitely overkill if that's ALL you want to do.
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Re: Linux TV tuner

[Sian Mountbatten]

On 11/04/12 10:20, David Goodenough wrote:

On Tuesday 10 Apr 2012, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

I have decided to get a USB TV tuner so that I can use it with my
sid(uction) box. I am in the UK. Will I need a TV licence?

It dependsa.  The tuner does not need a licence, the premises does.
So if there is already a TV there you are fine, but if this is the
only TV then yes, you do need a licence.

David



Thanx. I've now paid for a colour licence. So I'm covered.


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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Tom Grace]

On 11/04/12 11:44, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> I have followed it, but in some step I can't get launch a java app.
> Also, I don't know what window manager I should to use, I think that a
> minimal window manager... 

In the article, the author mentions using FVWM as the window manager.
You might also consider running your Java app in a terminal for testing
so you can see any diagnostic output that you get.


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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Antonio Fernández Pérez]

Hi again,

Ok.

Now, I have clear why I didn't get launch Java app. I don't know if I have
to use GNOME Desktop or whatever because, in text mode, if I try launch
fvwm, appears an error about display.

So, I should to install a Debian in text mode, configure LAN and after
that, Debian ¿with or without desktop? I think that without desktop (the
idea is to have a small system running with some application like java
virtual machine and my java app), after that,  what I should to do? Should
I to Configure vwfm with the article?

Thanks again.

Best regards,

Antonio.

El 11 de abril de 2012 12:46, Tom Grace escribió:

> On 11/04/12 11:44, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> > I have followed it, but in some step I can't get launch a java app.
> > Also, I don't know what window manager I should to use, I think that a
> > minimal window manager...
>
> In the article, the author mentions using FVWM as the window manager.
> You might also consider running your Java app in a terminal for testing
> so you can see any diagnostic output that you get.
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Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

[Nicolas Bercher]

Le 09/04/2012 11:12, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :

 aptitude search ~i\!~M -F "%p"


This shows manually and automatically installed packages.

I get 2220 packages, (and 995 with "~i~M")


No, the above command doesn't show automatically installed packages.

Sorry, retry it without -F "%p" to get a clearer output:

  aptitude search ~i\!~M

you won't see any line beginning with iA.  (The A stands for auto)

I think you used to installed packages with apt-get: in its not-so-old
versions, it didn't know about manual/automatic installation bits and
packages installed this way were considered manually installed.
The confusions comes from these many packages (2220) reported as manual
instead of being reported as auto, and that fact you sometimes used
aptitude and get 995 ones marked as auto.

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Re: Graphical app on startup

[Tom Grace]

On 11/04/12 12:11, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> Hi again, 
> 
> Ok. 
> 
> Now, I have clear why I didn't get launch Java app. I don't know if I
> have to use GNOME Desktop or whatever because, in text mode, if I try
> launch fvwm, appears an error about display. 
You will need to start X before you can use FVWM. I would suggest doing
this with a display manager (such as SLiM, GDM, XDM etc.).
> 
> So, I should to install a Debian in text mode, configure LAN and after
> that, Debian ¿with or without desktop? I think that without desktop (the
> idea is to have a small system running with some application like java
> virtual machine and my java app), after that,  what I should to do?
> Should I to Configure vwfm with the article?

First I would get a display manager working so you can log into an X
session. SLiM is pretty simple and lightweight. Once you log in, the
user's ~/.xinitrc file will be used to load a window manager. Have a
look at the following to give you some pointers for what you are trying
to do:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Single_environments
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Autologin

Both of these are the same article, but those are the bits you mostly need.

Tom

> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Antonio.
> 
> El 11 de abril de 2012 12:46, Tom Grace  > escribió:
> 
> On 11/04/12 11:44, Antonio Fernández Pérez wrote:
> > I have followed it, but in some step I can't get launch a java app.
> > Also, I don't know what window manager I should to use, I think that a
> > minimal window manager...
> 
> In the article, the author mentions using FVWM as the window manager.
> You might also consider running your Java app in a terminal for testing
> so you can see any diagnostic output that you get.
> 
> 
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Re: rtl8188ce in Debian Sid

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:06:29 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

(...)

>> Was the wifi driver working stable before and stopped from doing (e.g.,
>> after an update) it or have you been always getting reconnects?
>>
> Nope, it always behaves like this. I bought this laptop 2 months ago .
> It sometimes
> reconnects to my router, sometimes I have to reconnect manually.

Mmm, then you can start with the usual tests (selecting a different 
transmission channel -avoid restricted ones-, lowering the security -from 
WPA2 to WPA, for instance) and watch for any improvement but I doubt 
there is any :-(

>> What kernel module are you loading ("lsmod | grep -i rtl")?
>>
> rtl8192ce, it seems fine.

(...)

Okay.

>> As you're on sid, you'll be running one of the latests kernels (3.2?)
>> but you can also try to compile kernel 3.3 (or even 3.4) available from
>> upstream sources to check if you get any improvement.
> 
> I'm using 3.2.0-2-amd64 kernel.
> hmm, I have Funtoo current installed in the same laptop, which use
> kernel 3.2 and 3.3. Same problem.
> One weird problem is If I don't use it in several minutes, it
> disconnects from my router,and no longer reconnects an more.

By Googling around you'll find many reports for that card/chipset where 
people complains for the same (random disconnects) and the solution tends 
to be same in all cases: compile the realtek upstream driver instead using 
the kernel stock one.

http://www.chayx.net/2011/06/how-to-install-realtek-rtl8188ce-wifi-drivers-thinkpad-edge-13-on-ubuntu-natty-1104.html

You can give it a try, and if that works for you... fine, but better if 
you could report your findings either in Debian BTS or at linux wireless 
mailing list so it gets fixed as soon as possible.

>> Also, there's a open bug report for the firmware blob
>> (rtl8192cufw.bin), is that the same file you're using? "dmesg | grep -i
>> rtl" will tell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661860
>>
> it seems not what I'm using .

(...)

Okay.

> Whole dmesg is here * https://gist.github.com/2356047 *. Thanks !

In addition to dmesg, review you "/var/log/messages". Kernel "oopes" and 
traces use to be visible there :-)

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Re: [OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem (CLOSED)

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:01:34 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

> On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote:

>>> I finally fudged things. I set the bios so that it recognized the
>>> cdrom and installed Debian Linux. I then rebooted, F2ed to the bios
>>> and changed it so that it could find the hard drive. That worked.
>>> Since I don't have to boot to the  cdrom very often I can live with
>>> it. I'm tired of fooling with the problem.
>>>
>>>  
>> Mmm, is the CD-ROM unit still visible/accessible within the OS? If not,
>> you can try to connect it to port IDE1 (same as the hard disk) as
>> slave, that could make a difference (buy a longer IDE cable if the
>> devices are separated enough) or extract the optical unit and use it
>> with an external USB case.
>>
>>
>>
> Yes, the cd unit is visible within the OS. Everything is working fine. I
> installed an additional drive on the same IDE port as a slave. With
> ATA/IDE Configure set to Legacy the bios recognizes both drives but not
> the CDROM. Just as before. Once booted, everything works fine.

It's indeed weird, but at least now you know a slave unit conneted to the 
master IDE port is also detected and thus you can use it to boot from 
there, should needed.

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install

[R.H.van Es]

LS.
 
I wanted to install Debian 6 and I am wondering if we live in 2012? Because
still the Grub install gave me no Idea were Grub is going and I stoped the
installation. I must have more info about de HD's to be sure.
 
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Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:28:59 +0100, Lisi wrote in message 
<201204041128.59935.lisi.re...@gmail.com>:

> On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >  Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by
> >     default.
> 
> ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*..

..and not "Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installations* 
recommended packages by default."? ;o)

..no "has" is a _wee_ bit different from your "Note that since 
Lenny, apt-get *installed* recommended packages by default." ;o)

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Re: How to retrieve package source from arbitrary repository

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:23:26 +0200, Malte Forkel wrote:

> Am 06.04.2012 19:03, schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
>> 
>> Not what you're asking for, but debcheckout (in package devscripts) may
>> be useful for you.
>> 
>> 
> Thanks, Andrei. Not quite what I need, unfortenately.
> 
> I'm still looking for a tool that will determine the URI of the source
> package's .dsc file, given a repository base URI and a package name.

If the repository does not follow Debian mirror rules nor package naming, 
it's almost impossible to decipher the URI from a given ".dsc" file, it 
can be hosted anywhere in the server.

Otherwise, if it uses conventional Debian packaging rules, you can use 
the static information to make a guess:

uri="ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g" pkg="gedit" ver="_3.2.6-1" wget 
$uri/$pkg/$pkg$ver.dsc

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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:57:34 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message 
:

> I prefer keep things separate (kinda "divide and conquer" approach), 

..you've had any personal experiences become, um, legends? ;o) 

> that's why I use:
> 
> - Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists)

..me, I use Pan for newsgroup or UseNet reading, 
and claws-mail for mail lists and related stuff. 

> - Mutt (as e-mail client for personal things)
> - Thunderbird (as e-mail client for work)
> - Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and newspapers)
> 
> (heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to "1.5
> GiB" :-P)
> 
> I can easily use Thunderbird as e-mail client, newsreader and also
> feed reader and thus removing two programs but I don't like mix up
> these things and dedicated applications have their own advantages.
> 
> Greetings,
> 


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:16:46 +1200, Chris wrote in message 
<20120406221645.GA24134@tal>:

> On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 05:21:01PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list
> > > you are no longer running stable.
> > 
> > It depends on the pinning.  I have it in my sources.list, but I
> > have to ask for it expressly for a particular package.  I don't
> > feel that one or two backported packages immediately means that the
> > system is not stable/Stable. What about the multimedia repository?
> > Opera?  etc.  Obviously anything that comes out of any repository
> > other than main is not true-blue-pucka Stable. But in the real
> > world one sometimes has to compromise, and I would still feel able
> > to claim that my Stable box is just that, Stable.
> 
> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> sense.  It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it
> means unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing
> that.
> 
> Likewise, unstable doesn't mean "buggy" or "likely to crash", it means
> "constantly changing". 
> 
> Perhaps better names would have been
> unpredictable/testing/predictable?
> 

..naaah, call them "development/testing/production." ;o)

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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:30:13 +0700, Sthu wrote in message 
<4f7e7f68.119dcc0a.4d65.b...@mx.google.com>:

> 
> >http://www.linux-magazine.com/rss/feed/lmi_full
> >http://feeds.feedburner.com/LinuxMagazine
> >http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxjournalcom
> >http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix
> >http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot
> 
> Thanks much for the links!

..you are using the ">" quote character where you should 
use the "> "  quote "character" (combination), this causes
real messy quote confusion with mail clients.

..in Claws Mail, menu bar option "Configuration" -> 
"Preferences" -> left side bar option "Compose" -> 
"Templates" -> middle tab option "Reply":  
Find the "Quotation mark" text window, and add a 
space character immediately after the ">". ;o)

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Re: ibm server black screen console

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:04:31 -0400, Joey wrote in message 
:

> > Looking at the messages above, you have an ATI Radeon-based video
> > card. 'lspci' should confirm that.
> >
> 
> Thanks for your quick response ...i got the following back -
> 
> 01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ES1000 (rev
> 02)
> 
> But do not know where to go from here.
> People are working on the server right now - so can not reboot it.
> 
> my current grub line is this:
> 
>   linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
> root=UUID=8f86f3f1-b453-4801-ac5c-a5a86135256f ro  quiet

..drop the "quiet" and boot, if that doesn't tell you enough,
try another boot with "verbose" instead of "quiet".

> 
> you would like me to change it to:
> 
>   linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
> root=UUID=8f86f3f1-b453-4801-ac5c-a5a86135256f ro  quiet
> video=radeon:off
> 
> am I right ?
> 
> 
> But I have googled the issue - it is out there - there are some
> suggestions about doing stuff with Xorg.conf file - but do not
> understand at all.
> 
> Can you or anyone give me some pointers -- if your earlier suggestions
> does not work ?
> 
> 
> thanks
> mjh
> 
> 


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Re: help about wine

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:57:52 -0400, Yaritza wrote in message 
:

> Hi, 
>  I'm having problem installing  Office 2007 

..Microsoft Office _2007_???  Why that old junk, when you can have
_todays_ LibreOffice (OpenOffice) or K-Office or Gnome Office for
free, and legally?

> under Wine on Debian (64
> bits) when I click the install button I get an endless list of errors
> in the terminal,
> 7-Zip 9.04 beta  Copyright (c) 1999-2009 Igor Pavlov  2009-05-30
> p7zip Version 9.04 (locale=en_US.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,2 CPUs)
> 
> Error:
> Incorrect command line
> 
> How do I fix this problem?

..dunno about that wine problem, but if you want the _best_ 
"office" suite, try 'aptitude search office |less '. ;o) 

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Re: NAS box configuration

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:13:38 +0300, Rares wrote in message 
<4f7c9d62.1070...@gmail.com>:

> On 04/04/2012 05:21 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:28:56 +0530, J. Bakshi wrote:
> > If you still prefer a pre-made NAS based OS (that handles RAID, et
> > al) you can consider another alternatives to FreeNAS such as
> > OpenMediaVault, Openfiler, Zentyal, Nexenta...
> >
> > Related docs/faqs/how tos can be found on their sites :-)
> >
> Bear in mind that, if you care about this, FreeNAS is BSD-based, just
> as Nexenta is OpenSolaris-based. One difference might be that the
> latter two support ZFS, while Linux support for this is less mature
> as of now.

..my understanding is, at least some of the headers in ZFS 
are licensed under the CDDL.  
AFAIR from http://groklaw.net/ on the tSCOG litigations, the 
CDDL's main feature is it's intentional anti-GPL nature, it 
was created specifically to be incompatible with the GPL, to 
support the "The SCO Group" (Microsoft strawman) litigations, 
by trying to split and divide the coding communities.

..for details, use Groklaw's search page to search for CDDL,
Google honors Groklaw's robot.txt.

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Re: install

[Mat Enders]

I did two installs yesterday and both times the installation asked if I wanted 
to install grub to the MBR. 
Mat Enders from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: "R.H.van Es" 
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:16:26 
To: 
Subject: install

LS.
 
I wanted to install Debian 6 and I am wondering if we live in 2012? Because
still the Grub install gave me no Idea were Grub is going and I stoped the
installation. I must have more info about de HD's to be sure.
 
Greetings, B. Gates
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Re: install

[keith]

R.H.van Es wrote:

LS.
I wanted to install Debian 6 and I am wondering if we live in 2012? 
Because still the Grub install gave me no Idea were Grub is going and 
I stoped the installation. I must have more info about de HD's to be sure.

Greetings, B. Gates


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Grub gets installed onto /dev/sda boot section by default.


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Re: install

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:16:26 +0200, R.H.van Es wrote:

> LS.

Hi, please, avoid html formatted posts, thanks.
 
> I wanted to install Debian 6 and I am wondering if we live in 2012?

Mmm... that will depend on what universe you reside :-P

> Because still the Grub install gave me no Idea were Grub is going and I
> stoped the installation. I must have more info about de HD's to be sure.

If I got the irony correctly, you can use the "expert" installer flavour 
to select where to put GRUB (MBR, first sector of the chosen partition, 
no GRUB...).

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Re: [OT] Something about google search

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 07/04/12 17:47, lina wrote:

Hi,

For the top line in google page

Search Images Maps Play YouTube News Gmail Documents Calendar More

Is it possible to delete the Play and Calendar, and bring something
hidden in More up there?
Because thay are simply lists ( of links with some fancy CSS (+ 
scripts) you could hack the html and store it locally (and possibly 
bookmark it).
The original HTML (e.g. with view source) seems a mess because it's 
condensed you can use a tool like tidy [1] to make it into something a 
little more readable.

Of course this 'static' modification would be lost once you leave the page.

What I have done (for another reason which is to quickly be able to 
select English or Italian as search language) is to create a customized 
home page with the google search form (together with other stuff) which 
might also be an approach depending on your needs.


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Re: install

[Jon Dowland]

On 11/04/12 14:16, R.H.van Es wrote:
> Subject: Re: install

Your subject is non-descriptive of the problem you are experiencing.
Please try to write descriptive subjects to help ensure that as many
people take a look at your mail as possible.



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Re: TV with Linux

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:41:57 +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> The subject is pretty confusing. I've ordered a Hauppauge DVD-T Nova-T
> USB stick and I've downloaded a 7zip file with all the firmware files
> required. I've been able to check that the firmware for the Nova-T is
> now installed in /lib/firmware. What now?

(...)

Now it's time to watch TV :-)

Choose a program of your liking (in GNOME I used Totem with my old Nova-T 
USB stick, in join with "gnome-dvb-client"), then configure it (channel 
tuning) and you're done.

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Re: install

[Indulekha]

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Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 04 April 2012 17:07:16 Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:28:59 +0100, Lisi wrote in message
>
> <201204041128.59935.lisi.re...@gmail.com>:
> > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >  Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by
> > >     default.
> >
> > ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*..
>
> ..and not "Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installations*
> recommended packages by default."? ;o)
>
> ..no "has" is a _wee_ bit different from your "Note that since
> Lenny, apt-get *installed* recommended packages by default." ;o)
>
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> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
>   Scenarios always come in sets of three:
>   best case, worst case, and just in case.

Arnt -

This appears to be aimed at me, but I cannot make out what you are trying to 
say.

I certainly never said "Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installed* recommended 
packages by default." as you appear to be saying that I did.  
And "installations" is a noun not a verb.

Lisi


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Re: [OT] Manually verifying PGP/MIME signature with GPG

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:43:51 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

> Anyway, I get the posts through a nntp news server (Gmane), I don't know
> - because I've not tried- if the header information provided would be
> enough to be able to verify the signature manually.

Mmm, I tried this yesterday and it seems to be working fine from 
Thunderbird + Enigmail with no additional tweaks: signatures (both 
"inline" and "detached") are verified correctly.

If Enigmail can parse and verify the signed posts I see no reason for gpg 
cannot do the same.

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Re: remote mysql is too slow

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 07:18:18AM +0100, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> > Jumping back in (late) in this thread...
> > Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > > # free -m
> > > >  total   used   free sharedbuffers 
> > > > cached
> > > > Mem:  7986   7913 73  0224   
> > > > 6133
> > > > -/+ buffers/cache:   1554   6431
> > > > Swap: 3813  0   3813
> > > 
> > > Shows 8G of ram.  Good.  Shows no swap used.  Also good.  (But not
> > > necessarily bad if some swap is used.  So if you see some swap being
> > > used that isn't necessarily a problem.)
> > 
> > Mostly good. Yes. But 6133 Mb Cached is not what I would expect - this
> > indicates that the linux kernel is doing the caching - rather than
> > MySQL. And the MySQL cache for this stuff is (almost) always more
> > efficient.
> 
> But at some point the daemon is going to need to write a file to disk.
> That data will get cached at that time.  Or are you saying that mysql
> is using or should using O_DIRECT and avoid the cache explicitly?

No - although that might help (marginally) too.  The point is that
caching of data in MySQL will be more efficient than caching in the
kernel disk cache; less layers and whatnot.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 09 apr 12, 13:34:59, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> To me (and everybody else), both are almost the same.

Could you please explain the "everybody else" part?

Just because somebody chooses to stay out of this thread does not mean 
one automatically agrees with you ;)

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[OT]: Re: skype?

[Lorenzo Sutton]

Adding the [OT] label as this is rather far from 'debian'...

On 11/04/12 07:27, Doug wrote:

On 04/11/2012 12:15 AM, daniel jimenez wrote:
It is shameful that, so many years after the digital revolution, 
proprietary formats such as those championed by microsoft are 
*mandated* by the industry, educational institutions and (in mexico 
at least) government departments. In fact, I recently had problems 
with my yearly tax declaration due to it only supporting and running 
on some version of Internet Explorer.


Hopefully, we can all make that change.

In the case of skype, I understand that their contributions to VoIP 
have been pioneering and extremely successful as a tool for 
individuals and the enterprise community alike. However, every 
company that doesn't support standardization is extremely short 
sighted and detrimental to the healthy growth of the field they 
represent.


Anyway, sorry for the hijack..

Daniel

/snip/

Microsoft and Skype are sure to tell you that _their_ formats _are_ 
the standard.  And to a great extent, they're correct!  (Microsoft 
would have a better case
if they didn't keep changing it, so much so that their own word 
processor can't even read what an earlier version of the same program 
wrote!)


I don't know who standardized on the placement of the clutch and  
brake pedals, but whoever it was, the rest of the industry was forced 
to follow.  Can
you imagine what a mess we would be in if they didn't? Similarly for 
the basic gear-shift pattern.  Only reverse moves, and, afaik, only to 
one of two places.


I think the simile doesn't stand much... Although I'm no car expert, I 
would compare the position of the pedals to interface elements you use 
for the voip/IM client (e.g. a big green button with a lifting phone on 
the left to indicate "start a call") which we could now-a-days consider 
'standard' in the common language meaning. The protocols being used for 
the communication would be more of "what happens when you press on the 
brake pedal which acts on the actual brake". Indeed standards for 
braking systems exist: 
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/fmvss/index.html#SN105 (in this 
case I guess mainly for security reasons)


So something like: position of the pedals is the client/interface (in 
fact there are special cars (clients) for disabled people with specific 
which use a lever instead of a pedal). Breaking mechanism: protocols.


And, I must say, that annoys me, since I once had a car with reverse 
left and up, and now I have one with reverse right and down. 
Especially since left and up
was pretty much standardized back in the 1930s. To make things worse, 
both cars that I refer to here were made by GM in the United States.


To get back to the point, I would have no problem with .doc if it 
would only stay put!  And who is to say that the Skype format does not 
deserve to be the
standard?  It's probably as good as any, so long as everyone will 
agree to use it.


I have to say that a lot of the complaints from people in our Linux 
community seem to be of the NIH variety: Not Invented Here!



If skype decided to release their protocol as an open format I might agree.
Otherwise given the inpact a technology like VoIP might have now-a-days 
I would like at least governments to invest in research (and of course 
willing corporations could be involved) to create the best protocols for 
doing it which took into account security, privacy, etc. etc. But I can 
see myself being slightly idealistic there.


I think there is confusion between 'standards' (and 'open standards') 
and trends. I will agree that the market can push a trend if successful, 
but standards should also be concerned with the above and most of all be 
open.


Lorenzo.


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Samba share with multiple groups

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

my scenario is , i have two groups in active directory "Everyone" and
"admins" and i want to give everyone READ ONLY rights and on the other
hand "admins" would have FULL RIGHTS and this is going to be on one
single folder not multiple. i can only assign a single group to a
folder via "chown" command. but its not fulfilling the requirement of
mine. please help

i have just created a share with samba and samba is active directory
integrated.  below is the share details
[share]
comment = Shared Directories
path = /share
valid users = admin
read only = No
create mask = 0775
directory mask = 0775

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:26:12 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Lu, 09 apr 12, 13:34:59, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> To me (and everybody else), both are almost the same.
> 
> Could you please explain the "everybody else" part?

As I guess you've followed the whole thread, what's exactly what you 
don't get?

> Just because somebody chooses to stay out of this thread does not mean
> one automatically agrees with you ;)

It's not *me* who says so, it's written in the Wikipedia article, you 
will have to ask the author why he/she thinks so :-)

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 07 apr 12, 18:52:08, Indulekha wrote:
> 
> No downside at all then, eh? 

Mutt used to have a flea (bug) that would incorrectly set 
disposition=inline on pgp/mime attachments, but Joey seems to be using a 
fixed version.

Unless you went out of your way to include the signature in the reply 
there is a bug somewhere that needs to be fixed.

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Re: [OT] Something about google search

[lina]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Lorenzo Sutton
 wrote:
> On 07/04/12 17:47, lina wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For the top line in google page
>>
>> Search Images Maps Play YouTube News Gmail Documents Calendar More
>>
>> Is it possible to delete the Play and Calendar, and bring something
>> hidden in More up there?
>
> Because thay are simply lists ( of links with some fancy CSS (+ scripts)
> you could hack the html and store it locally (and possibly bookmark it).
> The original HTML (e.g. with view source) seems a mess because it's
> condensed you can use a tool like tidy [1] to make it into something a
> little more readable.

Thanks for you suggestion, also a late thanks for the suggestions your
guys gave before.

Here seems you forget to put the [1] reference.  I wish to do a try.

Thanks with best regards,

> Of course this 'static' modification would be lost once you leave the page.
>
> What I have done (for another reason which is to quickly be able to select
> English or Italian as search language) is to create a customized home page
> with the google search form (together with other stuff) which might also be
> an approach depending on your needs.
>
> Lorenzo.
>
>
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Re: [OT] Something about google search

[lina]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Lorenzo Sutton
 wrote:
> On 07/04/12 17:47, lina wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For the top line in google page
>>
>> Search Images Maps Play YouTube News Gmail Documents Calendar More
>>
>> Is it possible to delete the Play and Calendar, and bring something
>> hidden in More up there?
>
> Because thay are simply lists ( of links with some fancy CSS (+ scripts)
> you could hack the html and store it locally (and possibly bookmark it).
> The original HTML (e.g. with view source) seems a mess because it's
> condensed you can use a tool like tidy [1] to make it into something a
> little more readable.

http://tidy.sourceforge.net/

Is it the [one]  ?

Thanks ahead.

> Of course this 'static' modification would be lost once you leave the page.
>
> What I have done (for another reason which is to quickly be able to select
> English or Italian as search language) is to create a customized home page
> with the google search form (together with other stuff) which might also be
> an approach depending on your needs.
>
> Lorenzo.
>
>
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 08 apr 12, 11:32:54, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
> When you send mail that is important it be reliably attributed to you -
> make sure you sign it properly, with a published key endorsed by a
> well-known (easily verifiable) chain of trust. 

I hereby apologize to the list for not living close enough to a Debian 
Developer to easily get my key signed.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 08 apr 12, 12:15:49, PMA wrote:
> 
> P.S.  I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a
> Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the
> message (like the two at top here).  They're what I have to
> fight, as they beckon, "Now y'all just scribble right in here".

Vim puts the cursor at the top too for mails, but I like it there, it's 
the best position to start trimming :) but I do agree on the two blank 
lines.

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Re: Samba share with multiple groups

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:38:51 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

> my scenario is , i have two groups in active directory "Everyone" and
> "admins" and i want to give everyone READ ONLY rights and on the other
> hand "admins" would have FULL RIGHTS and this is going to be on one
> single folder not multiple. i can only assign a single group to a folder
> via "chown" command. but its not fulfilling the requirement of mine.
> please help
> 
> i have just created a share with samba and samba is active directory
> integrated.  below is the share details 
> [share]
> comment = Shared Directories
> path = /share
> valid users = admin
> read only = No
> create mask = 0775
> directory mask = 0775

Look at "write list/read list" variables from smb.conf but given that 
you're using active directory maybe this is not enough :-?

Should you need to define fine-grained permissions for the share, using  
ACL can somehow alleviate that. Additional info can be found here:

http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/AccessControls.html

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Mika Suomalainen]

On 11.04.2012 19:06, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 08 apr 12, 11:32:54, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>
>> When you send mail that is important it be reliably attributed to you -
>> make sure you sign it properly, with a published key endorsed by a
>> well-known (easily verifiable) chain of trust. 
> 
> I hereby apologize to the list for not living close enough to a Debian 
> Developer to easily get my key signed.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

I have same problem as you. All GPG users live in different cities than me.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Indulekha]

In linux.debian.user, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
[note: obnoxious superfluous quoting not edited out,for the sake of
illustration]
>
> --H4SyuGOnfnj3aJqJ
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> On Sb, 07 apr 12, 18:52:08, Indulekha wrote:
>>=20
>> No downside at all then, eh?=20
>
> Mutt used to have a flea (bug) that would incorrectly set=20
> disposition=3Dinline on pgp/mime attachments, but Joey seems to be using a=
>=20
> fixed version.
>
> Unless you went out of your way to include the signature in the reply=20
> there is a bug somewhere that needs to be fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --=20
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>
> --H4SyuGOnfnj3aJqJ
> Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
> Content-Description: Digital signature
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJPhaePAAoJEHNWs3jeoi3pv8wH/jBwOVbpsOpY8C8kIfK6qB/2
> HksLeGTu58WTUAhFX+gUMLwfd1qEeoMzmhFlRTvKWzM+DESum4CmIM+H6ZsT1b8F
> PQ5/ftrSIXQNxfvUY6Kr5YmVZSbePmwphZ6QfNuvpf8T2dTD7Mf2PRsznBZLHNMM
> aOBEZ9r8NjhJxr0Y/LjejpGt6Ux2GKRNn+yL1exawOgsBnYKbRJl6PJKMkoiPlW1
> lO+1A9i7dLoIy3vsYS0CEcXKB/zoe1A4Rk9ja9yh6jnN2v1C9OzJfWBG+xNXyk0X
> s1IErnhtnMNDJyMAZkbybdF3DLn8T5k2iME4/6EO264v4YCg6wb3LI/sRveVJ6g=
> =3v4i
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>
> --H4SyuGOnfnj3aJqJ--
>
>

What you see is what I get after hitting "reply".
Using mutt-patched from stable (1.5.20-9+squeeze2). Will it be 
better if I build the latest version of mutt from source then?
I'd surely rather not wade through all the garbage I currently 
see when people insist on using those pgp/gpg sigs.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 08 apr 12, 12:27:56, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 
> I promise to move to PGP/MIME (with clients which are compatible with
> it) when you have told me how do I verify PGP/MIME signature manually. I
> have been trying to do it for 45 minutes without getting anything else
> than message about BAD SIGNATURE.

I see what you mean. A quick search pointed me to this
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/48204

In what I've read so far you still didn't explain why you need to 
manually verify signatures. Most of the times it's much better to tell 
what you are trying to achieve.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Indulekha]

In linux.debian.user, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
>
> Unless you went out of your way to include the signature in the reply=20
> there is a bug somewhere that needs to be fixed.
>

Forgot to mention, I do read this list on usenet via slrn -- 
in case that might have something to do with it...
Stuck on dialup (no broadband options yet here in rural TN),
so don't want to tie up my bandwidth recieving all that mail.
:)

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Mika Suomalainen]

On 11.04.2012 19:29, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 08 apr 12, 12:27:56, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>>
>> I promise to move to PGP/MIME (with clients which are compatible with
>> it) when you have told me how do I verify PGP/MIME signature manually. I
>> have been trying to do it for 45 minutes without getting anything else
>> than message about BAD SIGNATURE.
> 
> I see what you mean. A quick search pointed me to this
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/48204
> 
> In what I've read so far you still didn't explain why you need to 
> manually verify signatures. Most of the times it's much better to tell 
> what you are trying to achieve.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

It's just that usually I want to know how do I do things which are done
automatically manually just in case I need to do so someday.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[PMA]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 08 apr 12, 12:15:49, PMA wrote:


P.S.  I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a
 Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the
 message (like the two at top here).  They're what I have to
 fight, as they beckon, "Now y'all just scribble right in here".


Vim puts the cursor at the top too for mails, but I like it there, it's
the best position to start trimming :) but I do agree on the two blank
lines.

Kind regards,
Andrei

I suppose you're right ("best position to start trimming")
but I'll keep mine down here now per Scott's and Lisi's
suggestion, to hedge against my antediluvian reflexes.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 11 April 2012 17:06:15 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 08 apr 12, 11:32:54, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > When you send mail that is important it be reliably attributed to you -
> > make sure you sign it properly, with a published key endorsed by a
> > well-known (easily verifiable) chain of trust.
>
> I hereby apologize to the list for not living close enough to a Debian
> Developer to easily get my key signed.

:-)

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 apr 12, 11:11:57, Indulekha wrote:
> In linux.debian.user, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> >
> > Unless you went out of your way to include the signature in the reply=20
> > there is a bug somewhere that needs to be fixed.
> >
> 
> Forgot to mention, I do read this list on usenet via slrn -- 
> in case that might have something to do with it...
> Stuck on dialup (no broadband options yet here in rural TN),
> so don't want to tie up my bandwidth recieving all that mail.
> :)

But you mentioned mutt in the other post, does slrn use mutt for 
posting? Mutt has no trouble reply'ing even to it's own bad messages.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 apr 12, 15:44:29, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> > Just because somebody chooses to stay out of this thread does not mean
> > one automatically agrees with you ;)
> 
> It's not *me* who says so, it's written in the Wikipedia article, you 
> will have to ask the author why he/she thinks so :-)

That's your interpretation, not mine :)

Kind regards,
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MINImalistic MAiling LISTs manager in Debian squeeze

[Svyatoslav Lempert]

Hello,

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/minimalist
Why this package is not included into Debian 6.0 main repo?

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:51:48 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 11 apr 12, 15:44:29, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> > Just because somebody chooses to stay out of this thread does not
>> > mean one automatically agrees with you ;)
>> 
>> It's not *me* who says so, it's written in the Wikipedia article, you
>> will have to ask the author why he/she thinks so :-)
> 
> That's your interpretation, not mine :)

«In the interleaved reply style (also called "inline reply", "point-by-
point rebuttal", or, sometimes, "bottom posting")...»

«In the "bottom-posting" style, the reply is appended to a full or 
partial copy of the original message. The name bottom-posting is 
sometimes used for inline-style replies, and indeed the two formats are 
the same when only one point is being replied to.»

There's little room for interpretations in the above paragraphs but as 
you seem to disagree with that, I'd like to know what's what you read/get 
from there, just out of curiosity.

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Re: MINImalistic MAiling LISTs manager in Debian squeeze

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:59:04 +0900, Svyatoslav Lempert wrote:

> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/minimalist Why this package is not
> included into Debian 6.0 main repo?

Reasons should be enumerated in the link at the right ("Developer 
Information (PTS)"):

http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/minimalist.html

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ulimit not working for changing daemon limits

[Matt Zagrabelny]

Greetings,

I am trying to increase the number of open files the sendmail daemon
may have. I have read that inserting a ulimit command in the init
script is the way to do this. I have adjusted the init script as so:

# head -n 25 /etc/init.d/sendmail
#!/bin/sh
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  sendmail
# Required-Start:$remote_fs $network $syslog
# Required-Stop: $remote_fs $network $syslog
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop:  1
# Short-Description: powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent
# Description:   Sendmail is an alternative Mail Transport Agent (MTA)
#for Debian. It is suitable for handling sophisticated
#mail configurations, although this means that its
#configuration can also be complex. Fortunately, simple
#thing can be done easily, and complex thing are possible,
#even if not easily understood ;)  Sendmail is the *ONLY*
#MTA with a Turing complete language to control *ALL*
#aspects of delivery!
### END INIT INFO

ulimit -n 4096 || echo "Setting ulimit failed for sendmail daemon."
echo
echo Ulimit value for sendmail: `ulimit -n`
echo

# Author: Marc-Christian Petersen 

I then reboot the system and I see this in my boot log:

>From /var/log/boot:
Wed Apr 11 10:54:28 2012:
Wed Apr 11 10:54:28 2012: Ulimit value for sendmail: 4096
Wed Apr 11 10:54:28 2012:
Wed Apr 11 10:54:28 2012: Starting Mail Transport Agent (MTA): sendmail

However, it looks like the sendmail daemon is still stuck at a maximum
of 1024 open files:

# cat /proc/1634/limits | grep 'Max open files'
Max open files1024 1024 file

Any ideas of how I can change the maximum open files for sendmail or
what I am doing wrong?

FWIW, I did tweak the clamav-milter daemon using a ulimit in the init
script and it seemed to work:

# cat /proc/1892/limits | grep 'Max open files'
Max open files4096 4096 files

Thanks for the help!

-mz


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Indulekha]

In linux.debian.user, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
>
> But you mentioned mutt in the other post, does slrn use mutt for=20
> posting? Mutt has no trouble reply'ing even to it's own bad messages.

I am reading in slrn, which is configured to use mutt to reply.
Unfortunately, the mailtonews gateway is strictly one way (no nntp 
posting to this list is possible). 

In any event this "mutt-patched" pkg is not exactly state-of-the-art,
and doesn't even include the nntp patch. :(
Will build my own from source when I have the time to tie up all my 
bandwidth for an hour getting the sources...

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Flashbench

[Peter Easthope]

Any tips about Flashbench?  Googling "site:debian.org flashbench" 
suggests it finds little interest in the Debian community.


Thanks, ... Peter E.
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> On 11.04.2012 19:29, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Du, 08 apr 12, 12:27:56, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> >>
> >> I promise to move to PGP/MIME (with clients which are compatible with
> >> it) when you have told me how do I verify PGP/MIME signature manually. I
> >> have been trying to do it for 45 minutes without getting anything else
> >> than message about BAD SIGNATURE.
> > 
> > I see what you mean. A quick search pointed me to this
> > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/48204
> > 
> > In what I've read so far you still didn't explain why you need to 
> > manually verify signatures. Most of the times it's much better to tell 
> > what you are trying to achieve.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> 
> It's just that usually I want to know how do I do things which are done
> automatically manually just in case I need to do so someday.

You really need to get access to the RAW message and do MIME-parsing to be
able to verify PGP/MIME signatures.  RFC 3156 describes what you need to do.

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Re: ulimit not working for changing daemon limits

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:04:19 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:

> I am trying to increase the number of open files the sendmail daemon may
> have. I have read that inserting a ulimit command in the init script is
> the way to do this. 

(...)

I can be wrong but I had understood ulimits (per user/daemon) are set 
from "/etc/security/limits.conf" :-?

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Re: Re: bash: Some: command not found

[Gabriel Cruz]

I know, it's vry old, but I had the same problem and found the 
solution which is the comment on the line:
"#Some more alias to avoid making mistakes" of the file ".bashrc" was 
uncommented. How the bash says: Command not found

Some is not a command right? Yeh... right!

So this is it twelve years later!

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Which owner and groups /etc/resolv.conf in testing?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello list, 

although I am happy with my /etc/resolv.conf, I changed it during the years on 
my laptop. At the moment it is root:root and rw-r--r--, which is ok at home 
but this does not fit, when I am on the road.

When I am on the way, resolv.conf should be able to be overwritten by the 
dhcp-server. What are the default settings of /etc/resolv.conf? Or should I 
generally use the package "resolvconf", which is IMO setting a symlink 
somehow.


Hints are welcome. Ah, and of course there are other options, like network-
manager, of course. But network-manager did not work on my system and so I am 
using a selfwritten /etc/network/interfaces.

Greetings

Hans


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learning automake, etc. and being minimalistic

[songbird]

  in the years of tinkering on linux i've never
really dug into a lot of things, much preferring
to hope packages work out of the box and if
they don't give up and go find something else
to do (there's always something else to do :) ).

  so recently, trying to upgrade my understanding
i've wanted to get into autoconf, automake, etc.

  i'm running a mix of testing, sid and experimental
without big troubles.

  please note that the example code below does
nothing at all, that's not the important part
at the moment in this trail of learning, i'm
just examining the build environment and making
sure it configures, compiles, dists, etc. correctly.

  my question?  it's at the end, but to be complete
i include background and development.

  ok, i've used a small tutorial that is part of an
online book at: 

  http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook.html#SEC_Top

and specifically the foonly-2.0.tar.gz example after setting up a
working directory to play in.

  at first when unpacked i get a list:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me   33 Feb  2  2006 bootstrap
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  235 Feb  2  2006 configure.ac
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   17 Feb  2  2006 foo.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   28 Sep 13  2004 main.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 1014 Feb  2  2006 Makefile.am
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   17 Feb  2  2006 nly.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   78 Sep 13  2004 parser.y
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me3 Sep 13  2004 scanner.l

  running ./bootstrap and ./configure doesn't work
and besides i don't want the guy who wrote this 
stuff to get bug reports from me messing around so
i make a new version and tinker around a bit so
it compiles and does things right.


  do a make dist and it now looks like this when
unpacked:

-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  35550 Apr 11 12:57 aclocal.m4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me 33 Feb  2  2006 bootstrap
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me 141988 Apr 11 12:57 configure
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me241 Apr 11 02:36 configure.ac
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me  20899 Apr 11 12:57 depcomp
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 17 Feb  2  2006 foo.c
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me  13998 Apr 11 12:57 install-sh
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 28 Sep 13  2004 main.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   1124 Apr 11 12:56 Makefile.am
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  21570 Apr 11 12:57 Makefile.in
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me  10346 Apr 11 12:57 missing
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 17 Feb  2  2006 nly.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  43182 Apr 11 12:57 parser.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me124 Apr 11 00:15 parser.y
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  43820 Apr 11 12:57 scanner.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  3 Sep 13  2004 scanner.l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me   6383 Apr 11 12:57 ylwrap


  a lot of extra stuff in there.  reading more i
come across dist-hook and add a README file so
there's some idea of what is going on.  Put those
in and now when unpacked it looks like:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 me me   33 Feb  2  2006 bootstrap
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  247 Apr 11 12:22 configure.ac
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   17 Feb  2  2006 foo.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   28 Sep 13  2004 main.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 1326 Apr 11 12:19 Makefile.am
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me   17 Feb  2  2006 nly.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  124 Apr 11 00:15 parser.y
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 1517 Apr 11 04:12 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me3 Sep 13  2004 scanner.l


  much better.  except now distcheck doesn't work.


Question:  (finally! :) )

hmm...  how to add a flag so that the first time
through the generated Makefile doesn't do the dist-hook
and only does it at the end?  or is this a bug in
that the dist-hook shouldn't be run during a distcheck?
obviously the fixes have to go into Makefile.am to
get passed through or configure.ac.  more complicated
than that and it defeats the purpose of keeping things
minimal as possible.


The four versions of the code tar and gzip to:

-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 96783 Apr 11 12:34 foonly-2.0.1.big.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  2120 Apr 11 12:32 foonly-2.0.1.small.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me 96027 Apr 11 12:57 foonly-2.0.1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 me me  1211 Apr 10 22:57 foonly-2.0.tar.gz

  i really like that the small version that works almost
completely (minus the distcheck make target) is so tiny
yet has the code and the build scripts entirely in there
and the rest can all be generated.  that's exactly the
kind of setup i always aim towards.  ship minimal but it
has to build with what is shipped (if the rest of the
environment is correct).


  links to four versions:

http://www.anthive.com/tinker/foonly-2.0.tar.gz
http://www.anthive.com/tinker/foonly-2.0.1.tar.gz
http://www.anthive.com/tinker/foonly-2.0.1.small.tar.gz
http://www.anthive.com/tinker/foonly-2.0.1.big.tar.gz

  thanks for any comments, and of course i'll keep
digging at this when i have time.  :)


  songbird


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Re: Authentication issues trying to log onto a box as a standard user, and cron jobs...

[Adam Mercer]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 15:20, Bob Proulx  wrote:

> Good.  Can you log in as the non-root user?

No, all users on this box are from NIS.

> Yes.  Stop all other lines of debugging and focus on this issue.  Why
> is there an error there?  Can you log in as that user?
>
>  laltest@lal-squeeze:~$ su -l laltest

No, as this account is a special account without a password. We can
only log into this account using a shared ssh key.

> If not then why not?  Start debugging there.
>
>> Also I have a cron job scheduled, via crontab, to run at 21:01
>> everyday. It fails to run and the only reference to this I can find in
>> the logs is the following:
>> Apr  8 21:01:01 lal-squeeze CRON[14107]: Authentication failure
>> So I imagine that this is a different manifestation of the same problem.
>
> Everything points to the same problem.  Debug it first.
>
>> Any recommendations on how to debug this issue?
>
> Look in /var/log/syslog for messages.  Look in /var/log/auth.log for
> messages.

I can't see anything in the logs around the time that I try and
connect to the box.

Cheers

Adam


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X server crashes after update to nvidia-glx 295.33-1

[Markus]

Hi everybody.
I have running a Debian Wheezy and i keep it up to date.
A few days ago I did the usual dist-upgrade which brought in nvidia-glx 
295.33-1.
Since then I experienced random freezes of my KDE desktop, but I still 
had a working

ssh connection to the affected machine. Some other details you can get from
the bug report I send to the package maintainers:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667684

What about you guys? Did you also experienced that issue?
If so please contribute to that bug report. Thank you!


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Re: ulimit not working for changing daemon limits

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:04:19 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
>
>> I am trying to increase the number of open files the sendmail daemon may
>> have. I have read that inserting a ulimit command in the init script is
>> the way to do this.
>
> (...)
>
> I can be wrong but I had understood ulimits (per user/daemon) are set
> from "/etc/security/limits.conf" :-?

>From [1]

/etc/security/limits.{d,conf} are only processed by pam_limits.
Processes started from init generally do not utilize pam_limits.so.

FWIW, I tried tweaking /etc/security/limits.{d,conf} and it did not
increase the max number of open files for the sendmail process.

Any other advice?

-mz

[1] 
http://old.nabble.com/How-to-set-ulimit-%28nofile%29-for-a-daemon-td28610214.html


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Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Nicolas Bercher wrote:


I get 2220 packages, (and 995 with "~i~M")


No, the above command doesn't show automatically installed packages.


  sorry, but the link you gave:
http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
  actually corresponds to the  Aptitude Reference Manual
  (package aptitude-doc-en) and it gives:

   ?automatic, ~M

Matches packages which were automatically installed.

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Re: remote mysql is too slow

[Bob Proulx]

Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > But at some point the daemon is going to need to write a file to disk.
> > That data will get cached at that time.  Or are you saying that mysql
> > is using or should using O_DIRECT and avoid the cache explicitly?
> 
> No - although that might help (marginally) too.  The point is that
> caching of data in MySQL will be more efficient than caching in the
> kernel disk cache; less layers and whatnot.

The point I was trying to make (and apparently failing miserably) is
that unless the mysql daemon is really trying hard to avoid it then as
soon as it writes a file it will end up in the filesystem buffer
cache.

In any case, from the original 'free' output it isn't possible to know
if the filesystem buffer cache is due to mysql or due to other
activity across the filesystem.  Such as backup for example.  It could
have come from any other activity.  There could be files being copied
to or from the system.  Could be anything.

Normally filesystem buffer cache is a good healthy indication.
Because if the operating system becomes starved for memory it will
free filesystem buffer cache in order to obtain it.  If a system has
no files cached and lots of truly free ram it may indicate that some
process is frequently consuming a lot of memory, forcing all buffers
to be flushed, and then exiting causing that memory to be free memory.
Free memory as opposed to working-for-you memory in the buffer cache.
Normally I would say memory used for filesystem buffer cache is good
healthy use of the memory.  And when I say normally here I am not
talking about a database daemon which will of course have special
needs.

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Re: How to retrieve package source from arbitrary repository

[Bob Proulx]

Malte Forkel wrote:
> I'm still looking for a tool that will determine the URI of the source
> package's .dsc file, given a repository base URI and a package name.

You could create a second sources.list with the repository listed in
it.  Then point to that configuration file on the command line.  You
could use this secondary configuration for downloading the file.

See the 'apt-get --config-file' option.  It would go something like
this (off the top of my head, is certainly incomplete, and would need
some tinkering, but good for illustration):

  cat >$tmpfile <<-EOF
APT::Get::List-Cleanup "false";
Dir::Etc::SourceList "$cnf_dir/sources.list";
EOF
  config=$tmpfile
  apt-get --config-file $config update -qq
  apt-get --config-file $config download $packagename
  apt-get update -qq

I am doing something like this for a different purpose and I pulled
that out of a script of mine.

Doing this will avoid needing to change your global sources.list file
and allow you to maintain your own copy for this purpose.

In my case I am also setting these options which you might want to
investigate setting to local private locations too.  YMMV, just
supplied as a hint, and all of that.

  Acquire::http::No-Cache "true";
  APT::Quiet "true";
  APT::Get::List-Cleanup "false";
  Dir::Etc::SourceList "$cnf_dir/sources.list";
  Dir::State::Lists "$cache_dir/lists";
  Dir::Cache "$cache_dir/cache";

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Re: Which owner and groups /etc/resolv.conf in testing?

[Bob Proulx]

Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> although I am happy with my /etc/resolv.conf, I changed it during
> the years on my laptop. At the moment it is root:root and rw-r--r--,
> which is ok at home but this does not fit, when I am on the road.

Those user:group ownership and permissions are fine.  No problem
there.  What doesn't work for you?

> When I am on the way, resolv.conf should be able to be overwritten
> by the dhcp-server.

With the above permissions it should be able to do so.

> What are the default settings of /etc/resolv.conf?

On a freshly installed pristine system that uses dhcp:

  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 90 Apr 11 14:55 /etc/resolv.conf

> Or should I generally use the package "resolvconf", which is IMO
> setting a symlink somehow.

I use, like, and recommend the resolvconf package.

Bob


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Re: netinst CD image - too big, vaguely specified?

[Bob Proulx]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I've browsed through debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.list. It appears to
> contains files of unlikely interest to me (C compiler and header
> files, firewire, traceroute, etc).

Just because it is available on the cdrom does not mean that it will
be installed.  What is installed will depend upon what options you
select at installation time.  If you use raid or lvm then those will
be installed.  If you select X11 then it will be installed.  If you
don't then they won't.

> I also did not find any description of how fine the user control of
> packages to be downloaded is.

I just now did a pristine installation into a VM and selected what I
think to be the minimum installation possible.  It installed 147
packages in total and consumed 442M of disk resulting in a fairly
small but useful system.  I include the full list of packages that
were installed below.

After having arrived at that configuration it is possible to remove
some of those packages for an even smaller system.  I didn't try but
there are some good candidates that I would attack if I were paring
the system down to the minimum.  And almost certainly other packages
would want to be installed.  This is completely within your control.
You can install or remove as much or as little as you wish.  Go crazy!
Configure it as you wish.

Bob


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dash
debconf
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debianutils
diffutils
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dmidecode
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libpopt0
libreadline6
libselinux1
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fglrx and specific catalyst driver versions

[Allington Pippin]

Hello,

I am looking for specific catalyst driver versions for my ATI graphics
card. Each driver has it's varying performance affect on linux with some
newer versions actually degrading performance for my 5970. I would like to
have some options if the one I choose isn't functioning well for my tasks.

Here are some examples from the AMD site.

For the 11.6 Catalyst: fglrx 8.861-110524a-119606C-ATI
For the 12.3 Catalyst: fglrx 8.95-120214a-133662E-ATI
http://developer.amd.com/download/ccc/p ...
fault.aspx

Looking through packages I found this page:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html

On it there are many driver versions like:
[2012-04-08] fglrx-driver 1:12-3-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
[2011-07-22] fglrx-driver 1:11-6-3 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)

Am I correct in assuming the debian fglrx-driver 1:12-3-1 is the equivalent
of the AMD Catalyst 12.3 fglrx 8.95
and the debian fglrx-driver 1:11-6-3 is the equivalent of the AMD Catalyst
11.6 fglrx 8.861?

After adding the repository which contains the specific driver I'm looking
for is added to my sources.list,
do I just # apt-get install  ?

Cheers,

Big Pippin

Re: Authentication issues trying to log onto a box as a standard user, and cron jobs...

[Bob Proulx]

Adam Mercer wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Good.  Can you log in as the non-root user?
> 
> No, all users on this box are from NIS.

How does having a user in NIS prevent you from logging in as that
user?  Presumably the purpose of NIS is to enable the user to log into
the account.  So I don't understand this comment.

> > Yes.  Stop all other lines of debugging and focus on this issue.  Why
> > is there an error there?  Can you log in as that user?
> >
> >  laltest@lal-squeeze:~$ su -l laltest
> 
> No, as this account is a special account without a password. We can
> only log into this account using a shared ssh key.

And at the moment you can't log in at all.  Right?

Did this work previously?  If so then you might try investigating what
changed between then and now.  Or is this something that hasn't ever
worked and you are trying to set it up for the first time?

> > If not then why not?  Start debugging there.

I still think that is the right direction to push.  Since the account
is in NIS but isn't enabled personally I would create a temporary
local account for testing.  Don't forget to clean it up afterward.  I
would guess that there is some local configuration issue that is
preventing the account from being authorized.  Need to isolate the
problems into as simple of a case as possible and divide and conquer
to a solution.

Bob


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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 11 apr 12, 17:03:41, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> «In the "bottom-posting" style, the reply is appended to a full or 
> partial copy of the original message. The name bottom-posting is 
> sometimes used for inline-style replies, and indeed the two formats are 
> the same when only one point is being replied to.»
  ^^
 
> There's little room for interpretations in the above paragraphs but as 
> you seem to disagree with that, I'd like to know what's what you read/get 
> from there, just out of curiosity.

... which implies there are cases when they are not "the same" :)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: OT: Beware of fake flash memory cards! (was Need help compiling C files)

[T Elcor]

--- On Tue, 4/10/12, T Elcor  wrote:

> Any ideas why I'm getting these errors while trying to 
> compile F3 flash memory test program? The source is at:
>   http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ 

That was a useful program indeed. The moral of the story: beware of fake flash 
memory cards regardless of what is written on them or where they come from.


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Re: Authentication issues trying to log onto a box as a standard user, and cron jobs...

[Adam Mercer]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 16:13, Bob Proulx  wrote:

>> No, all users on this box are from NIS.
>
> How does having a user in NIS prevent you from logging in as that
> user?  Presumably the purpose of NIS is to enable the user to log into
> the account.  So I don't understand this comment.

It doesn't that was just extra information.

> And at the moment you can't log in at all.  Right?

As the individual user yes. We can log in as root.

> Did this work previously?  If so then you might try investigating what
> changed between then and now.  Or is this something that hasn't ever
> worked and you are trying to set it up for the first time?

This is a fresh VM.

> I still think that is the right direction to push.  Since the account
> is in NIS but isn't enabled personally I would create a temporary
> local account for testing.  Don't forget to clean it up afterward.  I
> would guess that there is some local configuration issue that is
> preventing the account from being authorized.  Need to isolate the
> problems into as simple of a case as possible and divide and conquer
> to a solution.

Sounds like a sane approach, I'll do that tomorrow.

Cheers

Adam


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how to burn iso image over 4.7GB

[J.Hwan Kim]

Hi, everyone

I'm trying burn ISO image of which size is exactly 4.7GB.
When I tried to burn the image with K3b, it could not burn
because the ISO is too big for my 4.7G DVD.

Is there any method to burn it to my 4.7G DVD?

Should I buy Double side DVD?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
J.Hwan Kim



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Re: how to burn iso image over 4.7GB

[Victor Padro]

2012/4/11 J.Hwan Kim :
> Hi, everyone
>
> I'm trying burn ISO image of which size is exactly 4.7GB.
> When I tried to burn the image with K3b, it could not burn
> because the ISO is too big for my 4.7G DVD.
>
> Is there any method to burn it to my 4.7G DVD?
>
> Should I buy Double side DVD?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards,
> J.Hwan Kim
>
>
>
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I suppose you DVD Media is DVD+R, try using DVD-R and you will not
have any issues any more, the same just happened to me when I tried to
burn some Debian and CentOS i386 ISOs.


Best regards,

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Re: how to burn iso image over 4.7GB

[J.Hwan Kim]

2012년 04월 12일 13:30, Victor Padro 쓴 글:

2012/4/11 J.Hwan Kim:

Hi, everyone

I'm trying burn ISO image of which size is exactly 4.7GB.
When I tried to burn the image with K3b, it could not burn
because the ISO is too big for my 4.7G DVD.

Is there any method to burn it to my 4.7G DVD?

Should I buy Double side DVD?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
J.Hwan Kim



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I suppose you DVD Media is DVD+R, try using DVD-R and you will not
have any issues any more, the same just happened to me when I tried to
burn some Debian and CentOS i386 ISOs.


Best regards,


Thank you for reply.
My DVD media is DVD-R.


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Re: how to burn iso image over 4.7GB

[Victor Padro]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM, J.Hwan Kim  wrote:
> 2012년 04월 12일 13:30, Victor Padro 쓴 글:
>
>> 2012/4/11 J.Hwan Kim:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone
>>>
>>> I'm trying burn ISO image of which size is exactly 4.7GB.
>>> When I tried to burn the image with K3b, it could not burn
>>> because the ISO is too big for my 4.7G DVD.
>>>
>>> Is there any method to burn it to my 4.7G DVD?
>>>
>>> Should I buy Double side DVD?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> J.Hwan Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> I suppose you DVD Media is DVD+R, try using DVD-R and you will not
>> have any issues any more, the same just happened to me when I tried to
>> burn some Debian and CentOS i386 ISOs.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
> Thank you for reply.
> My DVD media is DVD-R.
>
>
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Then try to use overburn:

Settings -> Configure K3B -> Advanced tab -> check Allow Overburning.


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How to restrict normal ssh user to become root ?

[J. Bakshi]

Hello list,

How can I prevent general ssh users not to have su or sudo power ?
Just they know the root password by any chance
In the remote box remote root login is disable and one can only
login as normal user and then need to do su to get root access. Only few
users know root password. How can I prevent the other login to use su / sudo
even they know root password by any means ?

Thanks


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about dual booting freebsd 9 and debian 6.04

[Dibesh Shrestha]

dear all,
ear All
I am trying dual boot on my pc.I have installed freeBSD 9.0 and Debian
6.0.4. I did not install boot loader while installing freebsd but i
installed grub in debian. My partition looks as follow :
ada074GBGPT
ada0p1  2.1 GB  linux-swap
ada0p2  30GBfreebsd-ufs
ada0p3  42GBlinux-data
I could login to debian and edited the file /etc/grub.d/40_custom in debian.
[I]
#!/bin/sh
exec tail -n +3 $0
menuentry ‘FreeBSD 9.0 '{
set root='(hd0,2)'
chainloader +1
}
[/I]
And when i reboot i can see the frebsd 9.0 but it does not boot.It gives
the following error:
[I]

error: unknown command ''.
error: unknown command ''.
press any key to continue...


[/I]
My harddisk is SCSI. Am i having problem with drive letter hd0?If its a
problem what could be appropriate drive letter?


regards
dbase

Why does useradd cause a GLib-CRITICAL error?

[Jason Hsu]

The script I'm using fails at the useradd command with the following message:
(gksudo:2942): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' 
failed

The useradd command is:
self.do_run_in_chroot("useradd -s %s -c \'%s\' -G sudo -m %s" % ("/bin/bash", 
setup.real_name, setup.username))

More details are at 
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=189&p=565740&sid=5c6825a8521aa1383c649b74a7f70dc2#p565740
 .

Exactly what is necessary to make sure that the useradd command works properly?

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