Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote:

Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile
devices:

Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead-
for-mobile-devices/

Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash-
being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices

Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most.
Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow.

Comments?


Well you've set a very inflammable topic there.

My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a 
strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same 
time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash 
site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention 
all the other video hosting sites.


One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this 
wonderful  tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video 
file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not 
trivial question. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're 
putting a  tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or 
legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it 
looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 
7! [1]).


Lorenzo.


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Scott Ferguson]

On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 09/11/11 T o n g said:
> 
>> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. 
>> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow.
> 
> I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I
> find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my
> head stuck in the ground.
> 
> Mike

Choices are nice :-)

http://www.youtube.com/html5

(let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).

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Re: Testing Gnome3 Radeon OS complete system freeze

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 20:47 +0100, Javier Silva wrote: 
> 
> After freeze you can be accessed by ssh?
> Your machine respond to ping?

No , I cannot access the machine with ssh and I cannot ping the machine.
I have tot use the on/off button to reboot the machine. Rebooting the
machine with the just the reset button does not work: the machine is
unable to find any boot disks.

The troubles started after "upgrading" to Gnome3 and the open source
radeon driver. 

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Can I mount a local directory to remote host?

[Benimaur Gao]

seems sshfs can only mount the directory from remote host to local
mount point. I want to do the contrary -- mount the local dir to
remote host, and including the content under this directory.
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Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]

[Scott Ferguson]

On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote:
>> Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile
>> devices:
>>
>> Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices
>> http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead-
>> for-mobile-devices/
>>
>> Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices
>> http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash-
>> being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices
>>
>> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most.
>> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> Comments?
> 
> Well you've set a very inflammable topic there.
> 
> My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a
> strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same
> time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash
> site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention
> all the other video hosting sites.

Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some
time.
http://ishtml5readyyet.com/
;-p

> 
> One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this
> wonderful  tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video
> file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not
> trivial question. 

Good points.
Did you know about VP8?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8

Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource
attitude (re: Cloud) might change that.


> I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're
> putting a  tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or
> legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it
> looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions
> 7! [1]).
> 
> Lorenzo.
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix
>>
>>
> 
> 


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 09 nov 11, 20:14:28, Walter Hurry wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote:
> 
> > Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default?
> 
> Interesting question. Which distributions do that?

Debian of course :)

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Re: aptitude vs. apt-get/dpkg purge

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 09 nov 11, 21:54:26, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> 
> I have not seen an explicit bug for it, but the 816 open bugs on
> aptitude are somewhat hard to browse. Is this a known issue or
> works-as-designed?

I can only confirm your findings, still looking for a workaround.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 10/11/2011 09:22, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote:

Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile
devices:

Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead-
for-mobile-devices/

Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash-
being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices

Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most.
Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web
tomorrow.

Comments?


Well you've set a very inflammable topic there.

My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a
strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same
time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash
site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention
all the other video hosting sites.


Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some
time.
http://ishtml5readyyet.com/
;-p


Well, actually what's quite optimistic, I knew the foreseen time was 
something like 2020.. :)






One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this
wonderful  tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video
file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not
trivial question.


Good points.
Did you know about VP8?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8


Yes, but what I meant is for e.g. if you go to the youtube HTML5 test, 
you'll see different codecs supported on different browsers.[1]


Lorenzo

[1] http://www.youtube.com/html5


Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource
attitude (re: Cloud) might change that.



I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're
putting a  tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or
legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it
looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions
7! [1]).

Lorenzo.


[1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix









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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:28:53 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 09 nov 11, 20:14:28, Walter Hurry wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote:
>> 
>> > Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by
>> > default?
>> 
>> Interesting question. Which distributions do that?
> 
> Debian of course :)

It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently.



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Re: gnome-shell en testing (Sorry mixing lists)

[Javier Barroso]

Sorry I mixed debian-user-spanish with debian-user :(

2011/11/10 Javier Barroso :
> Añado a la lista ..
>
> 2011/11/10 Jose Diaz :
>> Saludos, muy buenas noches
>>
>> Referente al hilo, sobre Unity y Gnome3 veo que al abrir una ventana ej:
>> /home/miusuario y moverme a otra ruta, algo de rutina, ej: ir a una ruta,
>> copiar un archivo e ir a otra ruta a colocarlo, etc. Veo que no es posible
>> abrir otra ventana en paralela sino que todo aplicado desde la misma y unica
>> ventana que se permite tener abierta. A lo cual pregunto, como podria abrir
>> otra? ya que creo que si debe ser posible pero cambiando alguna
>> configuracion y de hacer esto, no se estaria cambiando cosas que lleven casi
>> al manejo previo y clasico de antes?
> Puedes usar pestañas en el nautilus, y así te será más cómodo copiar ficheros
>
> Un saludo
> PD: El comentario de José continua por aquí debajo, pero no lo borro
> por si alguien quiere responderle
>
>>
>> Considero que esta muy bien la forma como han organizado y centralizado
>> algunas cosas, pero creo que en lo comentado, ese tipo de usabilidad es un
>> poco engorrosa. Navegar a punta de mouse a un nivel de carpetas para luego
>> irse a otro de igual forma, si debo volver al path 1 desde el path2 todo
>> desde la misma ventana.
>>
>> El unico contratiempo que tuve en Gnome3 (el cual lo preferia mas que Unity)
>> es que luego de unas actualizaciones del Centro de Software, el Visor de
>> Imagenes predeterminado del sistema dejo de funcionar bien. Al abrir un
>> archivo de imagen el Visor intentaba abrir quedando pensativamente pero sin
>> nunca abrir ningun archivo de imagen sea .png, .gif, .jpg, etc. Instale otro
>> visor de imagenes pero no funcionaba igual y aun el sistema tenia default al
>> doble click usar el visor de imagenes predeterminado. No averigue como
>> modificar el default que ya tenia pendiente probar Debian (algo que queria
>> hace ya rato/tiempo) y pues eso hice.
>>
>> La barra superior, me ha precido buena estrategia hacerla universal, al
>> abrir una aplicacion la barra superior del escritorio para a ser la barra de
>> menu de esa aplicacion pero al tener varios aplicaciones abiertas, puede
>> confundir un poco en cual esta el prompt o shell del sistema y saber a que
>> aplicacion pertenece la barra de aplicacion presente al momento.
>>
>> Pero Unity y Gnome3 son el futuro para quienes desean seguir en Gnome o
>> apostar por el propio de Canonical. Aun creo que esta algo verde pero desde
>> el Ubuntu 11.04 al 11.10 se nota que ha madurado mas y seguiran mejorandolo
>> y posiblemente un dia muchos lo preferiremos (pero cuando haya crecido mas,
>> ya que no lleva mucho tiempo de nacido esta nueva modalidad de uso dentro
>> del sistema). Es solo cuestion de acostumbrarse y en el futuro sera mas
>> personalizable eso es seguro.
>>
>> Saludos.
>>
>> El 9 de noviembre de 2011 18:06, Javier Barroso 
>> escribió:
>>>
>>> 2011/11/8 Javier Silva :
>>> > Hola lista,
>>> > aquí una noticia que gustará a unos más que a otros...
>>> >
>>> > gnome-shell ya está en testing
>>> >
>>> > A mí me gusta el nuevo interfaz y a vosotros que os parece.
>>> A mi lo que más me molesta de la transición (bueno, de gnome, que no
>>> sé cuando se ha obligado a tener el network manager) es:
>>>
>>> $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
>>> # Generated by NetworkManager
>>>
>>> Teniendo deshabilitadas todas las redes en el Network Manager ...
>>>
>>> Hoy ya decidí arreglarlo, fue cosa de instalar y configurar el
>>> resolvconf (a través del network interfaces)
>>>
>>> No me mola que el /etc/init.d/networking  {start/stop/restart} haya
>>> dejado de funcionar :(
>>>
>>> Seguro que en futuras versiones ponen el tema de la
>>> configuración/personalización más a tiro .. para mi que en algunos
>>> aspectos se han copiado de awesome ...
>>>
>>> Saludos!
>>>
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Re: aptitude vs. apt-get/dpkg purge

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-11-10 09:35 +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 09 nov 11, 21:54:26, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
>> 
>> I have not seen an explicit bug for it, but the 816 open bugs on
>> aptitude are somewhat hard to browse. Is this a known issue or
>> works-as-designed?

I have the feeling it might have the same cause as bug #570492¹, but
without studying the code it's hard to tell.

> I can only confirm your findings, still looking for a workaround.

Don't use apt-get?  Might be acceptable for now, but in a
multiarch-enabled system aptitude is too broken in my experience. :-(

Sven


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Re: apache 2.2.16 deadly slow

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 11/9/2011 10:37 PM, J. Bakshi wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:53:57 -0600
> Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/9/2011 7:38 PM, J. Bakshi wrote:
>>
>>> This is a apache server with php 5.3
>>> The pages are based on php. Even the viewvc aka svn viewer is also taking 
>>> tooo
>>> much response time :-(
>>
>> viewvc uses Python, not PHP.
>>
>> Are we talking about two different computers here, a server and a
>> workstation?  Or are you running apache2 and viewvc on a single machine?
>>  I'm getting the feeling this is on all one PC.
>>
>> Hint: when you tell a mailing list you are having an apache2 problem
>> after a distro upgrade, 'everyone' will assume you have apache2 running
>> on a dedicated server machine, not your workstation.  You need to
>> clarify this and provide a whole lot more details about your system setup.
>>
> 
> Obviously a *dedicated server* having debian squeeze with apache, php, mysql
> It has 4 GB RAM and xeon processor. Two 500 GB HDD aer configured in RAID-I
> 64 bit arch. Yes, after upgradation , I have restarted the server for several
> times...
> 
> And a very important point. I have installed the debian squeeze with apache,
> mysql etc... on a new server with 8 GB RAM and i5 processor. a strong server 
> than
> the exiting. And found the apache response time is also slow here 
> Apache version is same 2.2.16
> 
> No such error at apache2/error.log and /log/messagess which can indicate
> any clue 
> 
> But why the apache is so slow on a newly installed box ?

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Re: Suspending script.

[Raf Czlonka]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 06:44:30AM GMT, Sthu Deus wrote:
> It was the permission problem - I did not set it to be executable. Now
> it seems to work.
> 
> Thanks, Raf, again, for the point.

No worries mate. Most problems are usually easy to fix.
However, sometimes you need someone else to ask the right questions.

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Re: OT: Just a simple query

[Raf Czlonka]

On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
> 
> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte

To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
download with or without commercial support.
What you are talking about is Red Hat _Enterprise_ Linux.

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Re: Can I mount a local directory to remote host?

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 04:15:12PM +0800, Benimaur Gao wrote:
> seems sshfs can only mount the directory from remote host to local
> mount point. I want to do the contrary -- mount the local dir to
> remote host, and including the content under this directory.
> Is it possible? if so, one more step, can i do such things behind NAT?

No. There is no way, as far as I'm aware to mount a directory on a
remote host. Probably because this is a major security breach. (Imagine
if I were to mount my /bin onto your /bin).

However, what you probably need to do is look at it from the other side.
I shall assume you are trying to share a directory on A called /srv to a
remote machine B as directory /mnt. This CANNOT be done from A. However,
you should be able to connect to B and the mount A:/srv onto /mnt using
SSHFS. In essense, then, B becomes the local machine and A is the remote
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Re: Yikes, 140 held packages

[Harry Putnam]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Jo, 27 oct 11, 15:08:57, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> I noticed this command posted for another recent thread:
>>aptitude search ~ahold
>> 
>> I was curious so ran it myself.  I was shocked to see quite a bunch of
>> held packages.. 140 to be exact.  Are there any circumstances that
>> would warrant such a high count?
>  
> Yes, not running full-upgrade (or equivalent) when really needed.
>
>> I'm running wheezy on 32 bit P4 3.02 Ghz and 2gb ram.  I've been
>> following along with the update notices so should be pretty up to
>> date. 
>
> What are you using for updates, just the Update Manager or 
> apt-get/aptitude?

I've actually used both on occasion.  Are you suggesting I should run
something in particular with an specific apt-get/aptitude command.

Is there any other circumstance that would account for such a high
count of held packages?  It is a high count at 140 right... or is that
not so abnormal?


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Re: Preseeded installation with non-standard locale

[Philipp Tölke]

Am 04.11.2011 22:18, Bob Proulx  wrote:

Of course you know you will have to try Squeeze now. :-)

Can you test Squeeze?  If it works there then the problem you are
seeing must have been fixed in the intervening time.


Yes, squeeze works.

Thanks for the help! I will now try if squeeze is viable for my needs.

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Re: emacs RMAIL -- help needed

[Harry Putnam]

Sian Mountbatten  writes:

> Having loaded gnus into emacs23, in the group buffer I keyed ^
> and got a list of servers. Two entries caught my attention:
>
> {nnimap:Opera} (denied)
> {nntp:nntp.aioe.org} (opened) (agent)
>
> Why was Opera denied? Will there be a log anywhere? The *Messages*
> buffer contains nothing about trying to connect to my imap server.

Maybe you've already posted it, and since others have mentioned how to
get more debug info.

I wonder what your .gnus.el setting are.. can you post relevant
sections (obfuscating any private inforamation of course)


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Re: wheezy / gnome3

[Pablo Sánchez]

It looks prettier than mine, indeed...

Pablo

On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:12:02 +, Richard wrote:


On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:51:30 + (UTC) Camaleón
wrote:


On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:42:44 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

(...)


Still holding back the upgrade and quite unsure on how to proceed.

Resistance is futile and you will be assimilated... The upgrade came
along with several new packages that were pulled and also lots of
updates ;-(


Just maybe the maintainers might just tweak it a bit, its a pain not
being able right click on a menu item to add it to either the desktop or
panel. It ignores the settings for auto login.

Well, I have finally managed to leave gnome-shell at a mostly usable
stage for my netbook.

Wow... it took me an hour: installed gnome-tweak-tools and did some basic
customizations for the environment (restore gnome desktop and min/max
buttons, adjusted the font face/size for applications...) and finally the
last big step, manually edited "/usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-
shell.css" (hint: before modifying this file it is recommended to make a
copy of the original one, because any error in this CSS will render gnome-
shell unable to load, although fallback mode is still able to start).

After editing the CSS file, to apply the changes, Alt+F2 (to run a
command) and type "r", this will reload the shell.

After that, I made a copy of the modified CSS file just in case an update
destroys my working hour and finally now I feel *much much much*
better :-)

I still have to make some adjustments, such as removing that blurry
shadow that is projected around every window, remove a second shadow
which is visible for the text label of the desktop icons and remove the
accessibility icon from the top bar.

In the end not that bad as it seemed but heck, until there is a tool to
properly manage these settings from a more suitable place, it's very
annoying to manually customize the UI.

A couple of snapshots with the result:

Activities
http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-sXQRcCfZ.png

Desktop
http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-1-11aA8Vc5.png

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GRUB: "error incompatible license. Entering rescue mode..."

[Christian Hammers]

Hello

Yesterday I created an empty guest system on a VMware Host, bootet it with
a GRML CD, copied over a running system and installed a boot loader using
grub-install.

When rebooting this newly cloned guest system I got the following error:

GRUB loading.
Welcome to GRUB!

error: incompatible license.
Entering rescue mode...
grub rescue>

I felt a bit baffled and had no clue so I rebooted GRML again, and this time
ran the grub-install after doing a chroot into the cloned system. That worked.

Still, I'm wondering where this "incompatible license" error comes from.
I cannot find it in the current GRUB2 source code. Has it anything to do
with VMware? Google shows a couple of hits for this message but no real
answer to where there should be a license issue.

Any ideas?

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Re: OT: Just a simple query

[Harry Putnam]

Walter Hurry  writes:

> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>
>> But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and
>> compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL,
>> remove the Red Hat branding and distribute it.
>
> And the guys at Scientific Linux (Fermilab and CERN) do the same, only 
> with a far better ethos. Personally I detest the attitude at CentOS.

What is that ethos and how is it different from CentOS?


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Re: KDE package manager

[Sian Mountbatten]

Doug  writes:

> On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote:
>>> Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part:
>>>
 Is there a KDE package manager available?
>>>
>>> What happened to KDE's Kpackage?  It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in
>>> the Debian repositories for Squeeze and Wheezy.
>>
>> As far as I recall kpackage did not support APT correctly and was
>> eventually abandoned.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrei
> Can you get Synaptic?  That works nicely in my pclos KDE system. It
> gets its input via apt, I believe.
Yes, I use synaptic now. And it certainly uses apt and dpkg.


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Re: Getting mail using gnus

[Sian Mountbatten]

Memnon Anon  writes:

> Sian Mountbatten  writes:
>
>> When I issue the command M-x gnus in Emacs, some messages flash
>> by in the echo area, but I do not get any mail. 
>
> Have a look at your message buffer: *Messages* 
I've done that, but the only clue is the report that gnus is
analysing the file .imap-authinfo. Why gnus fails to open the
link with mail.messagingengine.com is a mystery. Here is the
contents of that file:

machine mail.messagingengine.com login poenikatu password * port 993


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Re: Debian install , need to add wireless firmware

[Brian]

On Thu 10 Nov 2011 at 09:32:21 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> Why so complicated? Just download the full DVD1 iso and loop-mount it 
> under Debian. I only hope the Windows partition is not NTFS, because the 
> base install does not contain ntfs-3g. One option would be to resize the 
> Windows partition and create a small Fat32 partition for the DVD and 
> firmware.

Downloading a DVD/CD as a way of getting a bunch of .debs on to the
machine is certainly an alternative, but your concern about not being
able to access an NTFS partition is unjustified. An expert install is
capable of dealing with that when the installer components are loaded.


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

> On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > On 09/11/11 T o n g said:
> > 
> >> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. 
> >> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow.
> > 
> > I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, 
> > so I
> > find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my
> > head stuck in the ground.
> > 
> > Mike
> 
> Choices are nice :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
> 
> (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).

And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[J. Bakshi]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:02:55 -0500
Celejar  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100
> Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> 
> > On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > > On 09/11/11 T o n g said:
> > > 
> > >> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. 
> > >> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web 
> > >> tomorrow.
> > > 
> > > I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, 
> > > so I
> > > find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my
> > > head stuck in the ground.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > 
> > Choices are nice :-)
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/html5
> > 
> > (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).
> 
> And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.
> 
> Celejar

In ubuntu flash is working with google-chrome or firefox. What should I install 
in debian to
support that ?

Thaanks


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Re: Can I mount a local directory to remote host?

[Chris Davies]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 04:15:12PM +0800, Benimaur Gao wrote:
> I want to [...] mount the local dir to [the] remote host
> can i do such things behind NAT?

Darac Marjal  wrote:
> I shall assume you are trying to share a directory on A called /srv to a
> remote machine B as directory /mnt. This CANNOT be done from A. However,
> you should be able to connect to B and the mount A:/srv onto /mnt using
> SSHFS. In essense, then, B becomes the local machine and A is the remote
> one.

Possibly the complication that Benimaur Gao is concerned about, is that
it may not be possible to get from B to A. It seems to me that the extra
part of the solution here is to use the connection from A to B to build a
reverse ssh tunnel that allows B to get back to A. Then the sshfs mount
can be built.

I've not tried this level of complexity for quite a while, but I think
it would go something like this:

hloc$ ssh -R localhost:10022:localhost:22 hrem
hrem$ sudo sshfs localhost:/srv /mnt -p 10022

For purposes of illustration I've made the following assumptions:
 * "hloc" and "hrem" are names for the local and remote hosts
 * "/srv" is the directory to be mounted, and the mountpoint is "/mnt"
 * port 10022 is unused and available on hrem
 * the hostname is in the prompt to show on which host a command is run

How efficient (and therefore how usable) this is, is an entirely different
matter. You'll also find the connection breaks when you log out. This is
intentional, but there are options to ssh that keep a connection alive
so it's definitely not insurmountable.

It's also possible to merge these two commands in to a single command run
on hloc, but I figured you would want to see what was happening, first.

Chris


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Re: OT: Just a simple query

[Tom H]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
>>
>> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
>>
>> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
>
> To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
> download with or without commercial support.
>
> What you are talking about is Red Hat _Enterprise_ Linux.

Very true; "_was_" is the correct tense. But I was talking about RHL,
the distribution that RH published before moving to a RHEL/Fedora
model.

You can't get RHEL for free, even the "self-support" option has a yearly cost...


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Re: OT: Just a simple query

[Raf Czlonka]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka  wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> >>
> >> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
> >>
> >> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the supporte
> >
> > To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
> > download with or without commercial support.
> >
> > What you are talking about is Red Hat _Enterprise_ Linux.
> 
> Very true; "_was_" is the correct tense. But I was talking about RHL,
> the distribution that RH published before moving to a RHEL/Fedora
> model.

I know you were talking about RHL, I was replying to Ismael.

> You can't get RHEL for free, even the "self-support" option has a yearly 
> cost...

Yes, I'm aware of that. Rule of thumb: if it's free it's not RHEL.
If free is what you're after: CentoOS, Fedora, etc.
Hint: registered trademarks.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 10/11/11 Scott Ferguson said:

> Choices are nice :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
> 
> (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).

Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the
.deb package though to something more recent. 

Remember when Firefox was going to be the lightweight browser? :)

Mike


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Re: virtualbox just became slow

[Steve Kleene]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:54:11 + (UTC), I wrote:

>> I've been happily running a virtualbox Windows XP machine (VM) on a Wheezy
>> host for eight months.  However, the VM just became pathologically slow.  For
>> example, if I boot the VM, call Photoshop 6, and open a small JPG, it all
>> works but takes several minutes.  During much of this time the XP Task
>> Manager pins at 100% CPU usage,

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:22:14 +1100, Scott Ferguson replied:

> What process?

When CPU usage gets to ~100%, the process that hogs all remaining memory is
Photoshop or Illustrator, whichever I'm testing.  The next larger processes
are there on the healthy machine too (svchost.exe 16 MB, explorer.exe 17 MB).

> Debian/VirtualBox - check dmesg[*1] and VirtualBox log for relevant
> messages. The VirtualBox log is accessible via the GUI Manager =>
> Machine => Show Log. You don't say what sort of VirtualBox disk system
> you use.

I haven't had a chance to check this yet but will.

> Windoof - how much free space does your virtual drive have, when did you
> last defrag, what filesystem, how big is the Windoof swap, have you put
> a sniffer on the virtual NIC, what does Windoof show as chewing the most
> resources?

Sorry, I meant to mention that there's 8 GB of free disk space on c:.  I have
never defragged it.  I almost never connect to the Internet with it.

> One suggestion is to export (as an appliance) one of the slow
> VirtualMachines from your slow host and import it into your faster host
> - then compare apples with apples. I'd also suggest you temporarily
> disable the virtual NIC to rule out Windoof network activity as the problem.

Good idea.  I just brought up the VM (xpvm.vdi + my two home vbox
directories) from my sick installation on the other host, and it ran OK
there.  (I had to delete a network printer that it would not have found on
the other host; I can display the printer's properties on the sick machine.)
So I don't believe the problem is in the VM itself.  I'm not sure how to
disable the NIC (unless just yanking the ethernet cable will suffice).

I'll check the logs tonight.  Thanks.


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 10/11/11 Celejar said:

> And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.

when they work...

fetch config ...done.
verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404

I get that for cclive on every url...

and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze.

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Re: aptitude vs. apt-get/dpkg purge

[Bernhard Schmidt]

Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

Hello,

>> I have not seen an explicit bug for it, but the 816 open bugs on
>> aptitude are somewhat hard to browse. Is this a known issue or
>> works-as-designed?
> I can only confirm your findings, still looking for a workaround.

I have reported bug #648313 for this.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648313

Best Regards,
Bernhard


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Re: OT: Just a simple query

[Ismael Scalcon]

O right, sorry, I was talking about RHEL, just didn't notticed the talk was
about RHL, as RHL doesn't exist anymore.

@Walter

And I'm having the same doubt, why CentOS is so despicable? Just to know.
Or is Scientific Linux technically better than CentOS, and that's why you
choose it instead?

Regards

2011/11/10 Raf Czlonka 

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka  wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic):
> > >>
> > >> Red Hat Linux is a commercial distro, but what they sell is the
> supporte
> > >
> > > To clarify things, Red Hat Linux _was_ a distro available as a free
> > > download with or without commercial support.
> > >
> > > What you are talking about is Red Hat _Enterprise_ Linux.
> >
> > Very true; "_was_" is the correct tense. But I was talking about RHL,
> > the distribution that RH published before moving to a RHEL/Fedora
> > model.
>
> I know you were talking about RHL, I was replying to Ismael.
>
> > You can't get RHEL for free, even the "self-support" option has a yearly
> cost...
>
> Yes, I'm aware of that. Rule of thumb: if it's free it's not RHEL.
> If free is what you're after: CentoOS, Fedora, etc.
> Hint: registered trademarks.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Raf
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flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[J. Bakshi]

Hello list,

What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
play flash?  It is already there in ububtu. Don't know the name though
of those packages in ubuntu.


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Re: flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 10/11/11 16:53, J. Bakshi wrote:


Hello list,

What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
play flash?


If you want an Open Source flash player implementation try gnash 
otherwise the flashplugin-nonfree will basically download and install 
the player from Adobe.


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 00:07, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
>
> youtube ... is still very 'betqaish' with html5

You must be using a different YouTube than me. I have had very little
in the way of problems with HTML5 on YT, and nothing recently. Not
all videos are available in HTML5 yet, but fallback has been seamless.

> One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this
> wonderful  tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video
> file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not
> trivial question. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting
> a  tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and
> that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet
> Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]).
>

Well, for  it would help a lot if there was just one, but two covers
all possibilities: WebM and h.264 are all that is needed. And if you
are willing to make users install a codec plugin, WebM works across
the desktop at least (not sure about mobile, but it should work).

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[J. Bakshi]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:59:19 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> On 10/11/11 16:53, J. Bakshi wrote:
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
> > play flash?
> 
> If you want an Open Source flash player implementation try gnash 
> otherwise the flashplugin-nonfree will basically download and install 
> the player from Adobe.
> 
> Lorenzo.
> 

Thanks.. which one should I install for the better performance ?


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Re: flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[David Roguin]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:22 PM, J. Bakshi  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:59:19 +0100
> Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
>
> > On 10/11/11 16:53, J. Bakshi wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello list,
> > >
> > > What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
> > > play flash?
> >
> > If you want an Open Source flash player implementation try gnash
> > otherwise the flashplugin-nonfree will basically download and install
> > the player from Adobe.
> >
> > Lorenzo.
> >
>
> Thanks.. which one should I install for the better performance ?
>
> I don't really know about performance, but for compatibility you should
install flashplayer-nonfree


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Tom Furie]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:10:13PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
> Choices are nice :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
> 
> (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).
> 

Thanks for the link, didn't know about that.

Cheers,
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Re: flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[J. Bakshi]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:43:26 -0300
David Roguin  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:22 PM, J. Bakshi  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:59:19 +0100
> > Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/11/11 16:53, J. Bakshi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello list,
> > > >
> > > > What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
> > > > play flash?
> > >
> > > If you want an Open Source flash player implementation try gnash
> > > otherwise the flashplugin-nonfree will basically download and install
> > > the player from Adobe.
> > >
> > > Lorenzo.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks.. which one should I install for the better performance ?
> >
> > I don't really know about performance, but for compatibility you should
> install flashplayer-nonfree
> 
Found one more interesting.  browser-plugin-lightspark


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Undocumented detail from ls -l?

[peasthope]

Folk,

peter@joule:~$ dmesg | grep Debian
[0.00] Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-38) 
(b...@decadent.org.u
k) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011
peter@joule:~$ ls -l /dev/fw1
crw-rw+ 1 root video 252, 1 Nov  7 11:54 /dev/fw1

What is the meaning of the + following the permissions?
I googled around for about 10 minutes and found nothing.  
Is it documented?

[Digresion
*   From: Camaleón 
*   Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:21:20 + (UTC)
> I would carefully read Coriander manual web page: ...

Right oh.  Working on it.]

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Re: Undocumented detail from ls -l?

[Tom H]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM,   wrote:
>
> peter@joule:~$ dmesg | grep Debian
> [    0.00] Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-38) 
> (b...@decadent.org.u
> k) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011
> peter@joule:~$ ls -l /dev/fw1
> crw-rw+ 1 root video 252, 1 Nov  7 11:54 /dev/fw1
>
> What is the meaning of the + following the permissions?

An ACL is set. You can use "getfacl" to see the additional perms.


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Re: flash plugin for firefox and chrome

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

J. Bakshi wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:43:26 -0300
David Roguin  wrote:


On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:22 PM, J. Bakshi  wrote:


On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:59:19 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:


On 10/11/11 16:53, J. Bakshi wrote:

Hello list,

What packages should I install in debian so that firefox and chrome can
play flash?

If you want an Open Source flash player implementation try gnash
otherwise the flashplugin-nonfree will basically download and install
the player from Adobe.

Lorenzo.


Thanks.. which one should I install for the better performance ?

I don't really know about performance, but for compatibility you should

install flashplayer-nonfree


Found one more interesting.  browser-plugin-lightspark



The proof of the pudding: does it work in "listen" here:
http://www.npr.org/?refresh=true

Hugo


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Re: Suspending script.

[Sthu Deus]

Raf wrote:

>No worries mate. Most problems are usually easy to fix.
>However, sometimes you need someone else to ask the right questions.

ABSOLUTELY right! Every whit!

Especially the permission problem - that accompanies our way!
We usually tend to pay attention to more serious problems and forget
about simple ones.


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Dead keys in Gnome3/Shell?

[Olav Lavell]

Hi list,

I decided not to resist futilely and to go along with the recent Gnome 
upgrade in Wheezy. So now I can't type anymore :(


Longer version: I depend on the "International (with dead keys)" 
keyboard layout, as configured in System Settings, Region and Languages. 
I chose the first of three layouts with the same name. However, my dead 
keys do not work like they did in Gnome 2.x. Has anyone else noticed 
this and come up with a solution?


For those who are unaware: dead keys mean that one can simply type ' 
followed by e to obtain é. Many other combinations exists. It is *not* 
the same as the Compose key used in some other configurations.


Sadly, in my case typing ' simply produces ' (single quote). In other 
words, it does not wait for the second keystroke.


I am usually using a Dutch localised environment, but it happens when I 
switch to English as well.


Also, is there an alternative for the ugly but trusty keyboard switcher 
panel applet we used to have in old Gnome?


Thank you.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 08:39:30AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 10/11/11 Scott Ferguson said:
> 
> > Choices are nice :-)
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/html5
> > 
> > (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).
> 
> Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the
> .deb package though to something more recent. 

A .deb package for firefox? Where?

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Bob Proulx]

Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
> Andrew Wood wrote:
> > Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default?
> > I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very
> > poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than
> > enhances it.
> > ...
> > A newcomer to Linux would think this was the best the platform could
> > offer, when in reality theyre far better off installing the 'real' Adobe
> > player. OK it may be closed source but closed source isnt all evil and
> > hats off to Adobe for actually making a Linux version which is pretty
> > damn good if you give it a chance.
> > 
> > Id be happy to see Gnash dead.
> 
> I don't get it. There are lots of distros that do offer the proprietary
> stuff by default. There are choices on this platform. Users should make
> the ones that suit them best, and be satisfied with letting each distro
> proceed according to its stated philosophy. (There are distros that
> consider Debian too "liberal" with respect to licensing issues. They
> offer NO repository support for proprietary software at all.)
> 
> If you want Gnash dead, you can just let it be dead on your system. The
> default Debian installation gives you the ability to use the contents of
> the non-free and contrib repositories by default. (I disallow both of
> them them from my sources.list file during the expert installation
> process.) Or you can go with something like Ubuntu or Mint where the
> Adobe player and reader and other stuff are officially supported in the
> distro.
> 
> I happen to appreciate the efforts of those who develop Gnash and
> wouldn't want them (or the devs on the alternative free player
> technologies) to cease their efforts. GNU/Linux is about having choices,
> not about limiting all of the distros to be the same, and forcing all of
> them to do what people with one particular bent want to see in an OS.

Debian isn't a dictatorship distribution.  It does not have one person
with a single vision directing it in a single direction.  Debian is a
community of a thousand developers who all contribute to the common
goal.  This means Debian is more like a small town that holds regular
town meetings in the town hall.  Everyone has a different opinion.
Everyone has a voice for their opinion.  Some people think it should
be this way.  Some people think it should be that way.  Discussion is
held.  Eventually a consensus is reached.  Most of the time a
con-census is reached.  Sometimes people simply have irreconcilable
differences and can only agree to disagree.  It is like real people in
a real small town.  It is real people.  But in a virtual town hall.

  http://www.debian.org/intro/about

Debian has many core values.  But one of the most important values is
that it is a _free_ operating system.  Free in this case means freedom
and not without cost.  Because Debian values freedom so highly this
means that Debian can't include some nonfree components in the
system.  Adobe's Flash player isn't distributable under a free(dom)
license.  This is deeply important to a core value of Debian.  It is
more important to Debian than other values such as interoperating with
popular proprietary programs such as Adobe Flash.

  http://www.debian.org/social_contract

What do you do in that case?  Do you avoid GNU Flash gnash too simply
because it isn't as good as the Adobe version?  But then you miss out
on being able to view this content.  And for people that are in the
targeted audience of users who want only a totally free(dom) operating
system should they be negatively impacted by avoiding gnash.

And what about users of other architectures?  The 64-bit amd64 is very
popular.  Yet Adobe has a very poor history of supporting it.  ARM is
in quite a bit if use and I think will only increase in popularity.
Adobe has a very poor history of supporting any architecture other
than 32-bit x86.  But Debian has been called the Universal Operating
System.  For users who wish the same system across multiple
architectures it would be hard to find a better implementation than
Debian.  Those users are in the target audience of Debian and also
would like the best flash player available and at this moment the best
flash player available for them is GNU Flash gnash.

I think Debian has made reasonable choices.  GNU Flash gnash is
available if you wish it.  If not then you are able to install the
Adobe Flash with very little effort.  It is nonfree and cannot be part
of Debian but a free installer is provided in the contrib section.

Really this more than anything illustrates that nonfree programs and
protocols are bad for us.  It is important to prevent nonfree software
from being required.  This is what makes the need for HTML5 to be
completely free so important.  We can correct the mistakes that were
exploited that has caused so much trouble for so many people.

Bob


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Bob Proulx]

Robert Holtzman wrote:
> Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the
> > .deb package though to something more recent. 
> 
> A .deb package for firefox? Where?

The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for
Stable that tracks the current release.

  http://mozilla.debian.net/

Bob


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Re: Testing Gnome3 Radeon OS complete system freeze

[Javier Silva]

2011/11/10 Joost Kraaijeveld :
> On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 20:47 +0100, Javier Silva wrote:
>>
>> After freeze you can be accessed by ssh?
>> Your machine respond to ping?
>
> No , I cannot access the machine with ssh and I cannot ping the machine.
> I have tot use the on/off button to reboot the machine. Rebooting the
> machine with the just the reset button does not work: the machine is
> unable to find any boot disks.
>
> The troubles started after "upgrading" to Gnome3 and the open source
> radeon driver.
>

Before upgrade to Gnome3 and radeon opensource driver...

what driver you had installed?
which graphics card is installed (radeon model)?
how many monitors are installed?


does de following commands:

* disable GDM to no start -- update-rc.d -f gdm3 disable
* start a computer and login in console with a normal user
* type 'startx'

CTRL+ALT+F1 works?



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Re: Undocumented detail from ls -l?

[Bob Proulx]

Tom H wrote:
> peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > peter@joule:~$ ls -l /dev/fw1
> > crw-rw+ 1 root video 252, 1 Nov  7 11:54 /dev/fw1
> >
> > What is the meaning of the + following the permissions?
> 
> An ACL is set. You can use "getfacl" to see the additional perms.

The first hit when searching for a "+" in the ls info pages is:

 A file with any other combination of alternate access methods is
 marked with a `+' character.

Bob


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Re (2): Undocumented detail from ls -l?

[peasthope]

From:   Tom H 
Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:31:42 -0500
> An ACL is set. You can use "getfacl" to see the additional perms.

From:   Bob Proulx 
Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:51:07 -0700
> The first hit when searching for a "+" in the ls info pages is:
> 
>  A file with any other combination of alternate access methods is
>  marked with a `+' character.

Thanks to both of you.  I'll read up,  ... Peter E.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:44:35 +0530
"J. Bakshi"  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:02:55 -0500
> Celejar  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100
> > Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > > > On 09/11/11 T o n g said:
> > > > 
> > > >> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. 
> > > >> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web 
> > > >> tomorrow.
> > > > 
> > > > I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on 
> > > > Linux, so I
> > > > find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with 
> > > > my
> > > > head stuck in the ground.
> > > > 
> > > > Mike
> > > 
> > > Choices are nice :-)
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/html5
> > > 
> > > (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice).
> > 
> > And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.
> > 
> > Celejar
> 
> In ubuntu flash is working with google-chrome or firefox. What should I 
> install in debian to
> support that ?

Not sure I understand the question, but if you mean what do you need to
get Adobe Flash working with Iceweasel / Firefox, the answer is
'flashplugin-nonfree'.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:45:49 -0500
"Michael P. Soulier"  wrote:

> On 10/11/11 Celejar said:
> 
> > And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.
> 
> when they work...
> 
> fetch config ...done.
> verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404

Beats me - they usually work for me (I usually use youtube-dl), except
for when YouTube changes the site, and then it can take a bit for them
to be updated for the new layout.

> I get that for cclive on every url...
> 
> and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze.

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gnome 3 refugee; How to just run compiz as the Window Manager, no "session" management

[Paul Johnson]

Like others, I had carelessly allowed my apt repositories to include
Unstable, and the introduction of Gnome 3 packages made my system
un-login-able.

Rather than try to fix that, I'd like to just forget about Gnome
altogether and run Compiz as the windowmanager. Does anybody have
advice about how that can be done? At the current time, the Gnome
login screen appears and I've got options for "twm" and "Gnome", and I
can run "twm" now (how I'm using system right now).  I just want to
know the simplest route to have compiz appear there alongside "twm".

Here's my angry rant:

I'm an old timer, can remember time when "startx" would just call a
window  manager and start a terminal, before Gnome, KDE, etc existed.
I don't want to be bothered anymore by the persistent industrial
effort to convert the Linux user experience into a testing environment
for cell phones (Gnome3, Unity Desktop, etc, I mean you).

If cool Linux systems like Enlightenment DR13 drew you into Linux in
the first place, maybe you are like me and really frustrated by the
steady effort to eliminate all traces of personality from the Linux
desktop.


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Re (2): Undocumented detail from ls -l?

[peasthope]

From:   Bob Proulx 
Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:51:07 -0700
> The first hit when searching for a "+" in the ls info pages ...

Incidentally, searching in tldp.org for ACL found this.
"http://tldp.org/LDP/LGNET/152/prestia.html";
"... if you do an "ls -l", the listing will show a "+" at the end of the 
permissions 
for each filename that has ACLs enabled:"

The search for ls -l might have found it also but I didn't look 
far down the list.

Thanks,   ... Peter E.

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Bob Proulx]

Celejar wrote:
> Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > Celejar said:
> > > And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc.
> > 
> > when they work...
> > 
> > fetch config ...done.
> > verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404
> 
> Beats me - they usually work for me (I usually use youtube-dl), except
> for when YouTube changes the site, and then it can take a bit for them
> to be updated for the new layout.
> 
> > I get that for cclive on every url...
> > 
> > and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze.

Since youtube.com changes their format too often for stable releases
it is really problematic for some tools like youtube-dl to be packaged
in Stable.  I think it would do much better if it were released in
squeeze-updates (the new volatile).  But it isn't.  I wish it were.

Because of this I always use the youtube-dl from Sid.  It is a script.
It only depends upon ffmpeg being installed.  It runs just fine on
Stable for me so far.  YMMV.  But I use the Sid script on all of my
Squeeze machines.  I update it as needed when youtube.com changes and
breaks the downloader.

Bob


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Re: mutt and maildir++ format

[Allan Wind]

On 2011-11-10 09:06:20, Johann Spies wrote:
> mailboxes + `\ 
>  for file in ~/.maildir/.*; do \ 
>box=$(basename "$file"); \ 
>if [ ! "$box" = '.' -a ! "$box" = '..' -a ! "$box" = '.customflags' \ 
>-a ! "$box" = '.subscriptions' ]; then \ 
>  echo -n "\"+$box\" "; \ 
>fi; \ 
> done; \ 
>  for folder in ~/.maildir/*; do \ 
>if [ -x $folder]; then \
>  box=$(basename "$folder"); \ 
>  for file in ~/.maildir/$box/.*; do \ 
> box2=$(basename "$file"); \ 
> if [ ! "$box2" = '.' -a ! "$box2" = '..' -a ! "$box2" = 
> '.customflags' \ 
>  -a ! "$box2" = '.subscriptions' ]; then \ 
>echo -n "\"+$box/$box2\" "; \ 
> fi; \ 
>  done; \ 
> fi; \ 
>   done`

Run this by hand in a shell and see what get.  Is there a 
new-line for instance between the for loops.  And do you have a 
trailing newline?   Remember this is only evaluated on start-up.  
Does it work if hard-code maildir++ files?

I use regular maildir mailboxes and use find to populate it:

mailboxes `find $HOME/mail/received $HOME/mail/received/lists -mindepth 1 
-maxdepth 1 -type d \! -name spam -printf '%h/%f '; echo`


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nfs howto - are debian docs dated?

[Harry Putnam]

Searching with `site:debian.org' in google with keywords `how' and
`nfs'.  I don't really see what looks like a full HOWTO walk thru.

The wiki site (wiki.debian.org/NFS) seems to just point off to ancient
HOWTOs elsewhere.

Changing my search terms by dropping the `site:' bit and using the
keyword debian like `debian how nfs'  I find  a bewildering array of
sites, with no real way to guess which are good overall.

Maybe someone can just point me to known or commonly accepted guidance
for someone just setting up nfs with years and years between now and
the last time using nfs.

One site that appeared somewhat promising was:
  www.howtoforge.com/nfs-server-and-client-debian-etch

Any input about that site would be extra welcome.

One point that might help possible responders is that the main clients
will be solaris off shoots like Openindiana (b151a) and oracle-solaris
11.

Actually both sides will need to be both NFS server and client.  I
need to have the solaris machines serving the zfs file system as work
area for lan machines across the home lan, and 2 main directories
served by the debian host, to be generally available across the lan
(those same directories are also served via samba to windows OS's on
the lan).

It is stuff that I don't want to take up room on the solaris hosts
with but want to be generally (and quickly) available all across the
home lan.

On one site (the one cited above) I noticed said something about
having to change kernels.  I'm currently running wheezy with
3.0.0-686-pae. Will that need to be changed?


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Re: gnome 3 refugee; How to just run compiz as the Window Manager, no "session" management

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:20:33 -0600
Paul Johnson  wrote:

...

> Here's my angry rant:
> 
> I'm an old timer, can remember time when "startx" would just call a
> window  manager and start a terminal, before Gnome, KDE, etc existed.

I still do exactly this with XFCE (although I believe some other stuff
is also started beside the WM).

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:26:50 -0700
Bob Proulx  wrote:

...

> Because of this I always use the youtube-dl from Sid.  It is a script.
> It only depends upon ffmpeg being installed.  It runs just fine on

And ffmpeg is not even a hard dependency, only a recommends (not sure
what happens if ffmpeg isn't there, since I keep it on my system for
other things, anyway).

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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Siard]

Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze.

The reason for this, as stated by the maintainer of youtube-dl himself,
is given in this post:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/12/msg00433.html

But the wheezy version appears to be working well in squeeze.


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Re: nfs howto - are debian docs dated?

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 01:34:47PM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
> On one site (the one cited above) I noticed said something about
> having to change kernels.  I'm currently running wheezy with
> 3.0.0-686-pae. Will that need to be changed?

No.

aptitude install nfs-kernel-server

Now you have the required tools to use the in-kernel NFS server.
It can do classic (NFS3) or new (NFS4) service. 

Doing NFS3 exports is done very simply, and is documented in
many places. You write an /etc/exports file that says things
like this:

/home192.168.0.1(rw) 192.168.0.2(rw) 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro)

which gives read/write access to two machines and allows another
network to read anything but not write to it.

Doing NFS4 exports is a little harder, but you can get better
access-control. Google for "nfs4 exports debian" to find a
howto.

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Re: virtualbox just became slow

[Scott Ferguson]

On 11/11/11 00:41, Steve Kleene wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:54:11 + (UTC), I wrote:
> 
>>> I've been happily running a virtualbox Windows XP machine (VM) on
>>> a Wheezy host for eight months.  However, the VM just became
>>> pathologically slow.  For example, if I boot the VM, call
>>> Photoshop 6, and open a small JPG, it all works but takes several
>>> minutes.  During much of this time the XP Task Manager pins at
>>> 100% CPU usage,
> 
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:22:14 +1100, Scott Ferguson replied:
> 
>> What process?
> 
> When CPU usage gets to ~100%, the process that hogs all remaining
> memory is Photoshop or Illustrator, whichever I'm testing.

Get a metric on that, and compare it to the VM that's not running dog
slow. You need to rule out various factors until you find the
problem ie. prove it.
You might also consider learning the GIMP/Draw/Inkscape way of
graphics. All of which run better under Debian ;-)

> The next larger processes are there on the healthy machine too
> (svchost.exe 16 MB, explorer.exe 17 MB).

Which seems normal/usual.

> 
>> Debian/VirtualBox - check dmesg[*1] and VirtualBox log for
>> relevant messages. The VirtualBox log is accessible via the GUI
>> Manager => Machine => Show Log. You don't say what sort of
>> VirtualBox disk system you use.
> 
> I haven't had a chance to check this yet but will.
> 
>> Windoof - how much free space does your virtual drive have, when
>> did you last defrag, what filesystem, how big is the Windoof swap,
>> have you put a sniffer on the virtual NIC, what does Windoof show
>> as chewing the most resources?
> 
> Sorry, I meant to mention that there's 8 GB of free disk space on c:.
> I have never defragged it.

Oh?
So every read involves a game of hide and seek in the Pacific Ocean? :-)
Windoof is a sloppy OS - it simulates disk speed by writing were ever
the head (virtual in this case) happens to be at the time. This makes
writes quick, but reads (increasingly) slow.

The increasing fragmentation and the growing swap file (page file) are
built-in obsolescence tools that ensure you'll upgrade. Defrag regularly
(or move to a proper OS like Debian) and boot up with a Live Debian CD
every month and delete the swap file. Windoof will still keep building
it's cruft collection (registry, tmp, and restore points) but you can
slow the loss of performance.

You should also continually reconsider whether you need Windoof :-)
There's very little Photoshop and Illustrator can do that can't be done
with Debian packages, and done better with less resources.
Disclaimer - I only run Windoof VMs as a reference for moving users and
apps from Windoof to Debian. Physical2Virtual then replace Physical
Windoof with PhysicalDebian.


>  I almost never connect to the Internet
> with it.

Does Photoshop/Illustrator phone home? Do any of the plugins?

> 
>> One suggestion is to export (as an appliance) one of the slow 
>> VirtualMachines from your slow host and import it into your faster
>> host - then compare apples with apples. I'd also suggest you
>> temporarily disable the virtual NIC to rule out Windoof network
>> activity as the problem.
> 
> Good idea.  I just brought up the VM (xpvm.vdi + my two home vbox 
> directories) from my sick installation on the other host, and it ran
> OK there.  (I had to delete a network printer that it would not have
> found on the other host; I can display the printer's properties on
> the sick machine.) So I don't believe the problem is in the VM
> itself.  I'm not sure how to disable the NIC (unless just yanking the
> ethernet cable will suffice).

>From the VirtualBox GUI under the machine properties.

> 
> I'll check the logs tonight.  Thanks.
> 
> 

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Re: Testing Gnome3 Radeon OS complete system freeze

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi Javier,

Thanks for responding.

On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 19:36 +0100, Javier Silva wrote: 
> 2011/11/10 Joost Kraaijeveld :
> Before upgrade to Gnome3 and radeon opensource driver...
> 
> what driver you had installed?
The closed source driver from AMD latest version (10.10) 
> which graphics card is installed (radeon model)?
ATI Technologies Inc RV670 AGP [Radeon HD 3850] 
> how many monitors are installed?
2 monitors

> does de following commands:
> 
> * disable GDM to no start -- update-rc.d -f gdm3 disable
> * start a computer and login in console with a normal user
> * type 'startx'
Is the purpose to see if the problem persist even after not loading
gnome, as to find if if it is a driver problem?

> CTRL+ALT+F1 works?
After starting x without GDM?

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Re: Testing Gnome3 Radeon OS complete system freeze

[Javier Silva]

2011/11/10 Joost Kraaijeveld :
> Hi Javier,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 19:36 +0100, Javier Silva wrote:
>> 2011/11/10 Joost Kraaijeveld :
>> Before upgrade to Gnome3 and radeon opensource driver...
>>
>> what driver you had installed?
> The closed source driver from AMD latest version (10.10)

closed source driver from AMD had retired from repositories!!!

open source radeon driver is xserver-xorg-video-radeon and need
firmware-linux-non-free.

the radeon driver uses KMS, notes from driver:

xserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.12.192-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * Starting with this version, the radeon driver enables kernel mode setting
(KMS) by default.  This comes with a framebuffer driver which enables
native resolution on the console.  KMS also allows faster VT switching
and mode changes.

Enabling KMS may break X.org drivers that are not KMS-ready, for instance
radeonhd or vesa.

In case of trouble KMS can be disabled with the 'nomodeset' kernel
command line parameter, or by editing /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf.
-

install driver and disable KMS.



>> which graphics card is installed (radeon model)?
> ATI Technologies Inc RV670 AGP [Radeon HD 3850]
>> how many monitors are installed?
> 2 monitors
>
>> does de following commands:
>>
>> * disable GDM to no start -- update-rc.d -f gdm3 disable
>> * start a computer and login in console with a normal user
>> * type 'startx'
> Is the purpose to see if the problem persist even after not loading
> gnome, as to find if if it is a driver problem?
>
>> CTRL+ALT+F1 works?
> After starting x without GDM?
>
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HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Bob Proulx]

I often have a situation that I would like to improve.  I need to
access web servers that exist on a private subnet.  I can log in using
ssh.  I can of course use lynx, w3m and similar for text mode
browsing.  But sometimes those text mode browsers are not suitable to
the needed tasks.  I don't wish to forward X directly nor with vnc
either since either of those would be very slow.

I used to use the FilterProxy (http://filterproxy.sourceforge.net/)
for this purpose.  I would run it on the remote machine, forward the
ports between the remote and local systems, and set my browser's proxy
server to it.  Using Firefox plugins such as MM3 ProxySwitch it was
very easy to switch between http views of the world.  But the
FilterProxy project is in much need of love and attention in order to
be useful on a modern perl system.  I would like to avoid the work
needed to make it run on a current system.

I am sure this must be a common need and already solved many times
over.  Can someone recommend a simple HTTP proxy program that I could
run on the remote ssh logged into system that I could then use to
provide my local browser access to the web on the remote private
network?

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>
> I am sure this must be a common need and already solved many times
> over.  Can someone recommend a simple HTTP proxy program that I could
> run on the remote ssh logged into system that I could then use to
> provide my local browser access to the web on the remote private
> network?

A vanilla ssh tunnel sounds like exactly what you need.  You would
tunnel a port on your local machine to the web port on the foreign
machine.  Then you'd access www.private.com:80 by pointing your
browser at local.server.com:8080 (as an example).

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/38/Tunneling_connections_securely_with_SSH

Or just hit up Google for "ssh tunnel".

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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le Thursday 10 November 2011 23:15:35 Bob Proulx, vous avez écrit :
> I often have a situation that I would like to improve.  I need to
> access web servers that exist on a private subnet.  I can log in using
> ssh.  I can of course use lynx, w3m and similar for text mode
> browsing.  But sometimes those text mode browsers are not suitable to
> the needed tasks.  I don't wish to forward X directly nor with vnc
> either since either of those would be very slow.
> 
> I used to use the FilterProxy (http://filterproxy.sourceforge.net/)
> for this purpose.  I would run it on the remote machine, forward the
> ports between the remote and local systems, and set my browser's proxy
> server to it.  Using Firefox plugins such as MM3 ProxySwitch it was
> very easy to switch between http views of the world.  But the
> FilterProxy project is in much need of love and attention in order to
> be useful on a modern perl system.  I would like to avoid the work
> needed to make it run on a current system.
> 
> I am sure this must be a common need and already solved many times
> over.  Can someone recommend a simple HTTP proxy program that I could
> run on the remote ssh logged into system that I could then use to
> provide my local browser access to the web on the remote private
> network?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob

Hi,

What I have used :
If you just want a proxy : tinyproxy
If you want some filters : privoxy




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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Bob Proulx]

Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > I am sure this must be a common need and already solved many times
> > over.  Can someone recommend a simple HTTP proxy program that I could
> > run on the remote ssh logged into system that I could then use to
> > provide my local browser access to the web on the remote private
> > network?
> 
> A vanilla ssh tunnel sounds like exactly what you need.  You would
> tunnel a port on your local machine to the web port on the foreign
> machine.  Then you'd access www.private.com:80 by pointing your
> browser at local.server.com:8080 (as an example).

That almost works.  I actually already tried it.  The problem is when
the remote site uses full absolute URLs instead of short relative
paths.  Links with relative paths work fine.  But full URLs depart the
http://localhost:8080/ path and jump to http://www.example.com/ paths.

> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/38/Tunneling_connections_securely_with_SSH

Thank you very much for including a howto reference!  Very nice.
However that howto describes tunneling through to a remote squid
proxy.  That will of course work because squid is a full proxy.  But
when I was asking for a simple HTTP proxy I should have said that
Squid wasn't really simple.  I was hoping to avoid needing to set up a
full squid proxy there.

> Or just hit up Google for "ssh tunnel".

That will definitely yield a very large number of hits.  Unfortunately
out of that collection I was unable to find any that dealt with this
problem.  Almost all of the hits will be about tunneling ports and not
about tunneling http over a port to a simple proxy.

Thanks anyway!

Bob


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Re: gnome 3 refugee; How to just run compiz as the Window Manager, no "session" management

[Weaver]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:17:10 -0500
Celejar  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:20:33 -0600
> Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > Here's my angry rant:
> > 
> > I'm an old timer, can remember time when "startx" would just call a
> > window  manager and start a terminal, before Gnome, KDE, etc
> > existed.
> 
> I still do exactly this with XFCE (although I believe some other stuff
> is also started beside the WM).

That's what I use: XFCE to provide the environment and Enlightenment
over the top. If you want anything from Gnome or KDE, just install
them, rather than the whole cludge.
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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Philipp Tölke]

> I often have a situation that I would like to improve.  I need to
> access web servers that exist on a private subnet.  I can log in using
> ssh.  I can of course use lynx, w3m and similar for text mode
> browsing.  But sometimes those text mode browsers are not suitable to
> the needed tasks.  I don't wish to forward X directly nor with vnc
> either since either of those would be very slow.

Did you look at the -D option for ssh?

#v+
 -D [bind_address:]port
Specifies a local “dynamic” application-level port forwarding.  This
works by allocating a socket to listen to port on the local side,
optionally bound to the specified bind_address.  Whenever a connection
is made to this port, the connection is forwarded over the secure
channel, and the application protocol is then used to determine where to
connect to from the remote machine.  Currently the SOCKS4 and SOCKS5
protocols are supported, and ssh will act as a SOCKS server.  Only root
can forward privileged ports.  Dynamic port forwardings can also be
specified in the configu‐ ration file.
#v-

I have never used it myself, but it sounds usable.

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Re: Laptop / wifi issues

[Edward Morbius]

Well, it seems that a few long-standing issues have resolved for me
since upgrading to testing/unstable:

- Wireless, as noted.
- Video wouldn't update following hibernate restore, or exiting an X11
session without killing/restarting X server.
- Video would lock hard displaying movies (variously flash / xine /
mplayer, reduced size or full-screen).

Very nice.

KDE seems to have jumped the shark again, either following GNOME's
lead or drawing it after, but that I really don't care about nearly so
much.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Edward Morbius  wrote:
> Lenovo Thinkpad T520i.
>
> Wireless controller: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation
> Centrino Wireless-N 1000
>
> I can see and get a wireless connection (usually via wicd-cli), but
> dhclient fails to get an IP address:
>
> # iwconfig  wlan0
> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"RIGHTSCALE"
>          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:0E:83:67:74:B0
>          Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=14 dBm
>          Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>          Encryption key:off
>          Power Management:off
>          Link Quality=51/70  Signal level=-59 dBm
>          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>          Tx excessive retries:2  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>
>
> OK, I lied.  Just now trying to prove this wouldn't work:
>
>
> # dhclient -v wlan0
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.1.1-P1
> Copyright 2004-2010 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
>
> Listening on LPF/wlan0/8c:a9:82:7a:92:2a
> Sending on   LPF/wlan0/8c:a9:82:7a:92:2a
> Sending on   Socket/fallback
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> DHCPOFFER from 10.36.0.1
> DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> DHCPACK from 10.36.0.1
> bound to 10.36.7.178 -- renewal in 4135 seconds.
>
>
> However ... wicd-cli failed to get a DHCP lease earlier.
>
> I'll investigate further and follow up.
>
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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Bob Proulx]

Gilles Mocellin wrote:
> Bob Proulx, vous avez écrit :
> > Can someone recommend a simple HTTP proxy program that I could run
> > on the remote ssh logged into system that I could then use to
> > provide my local browser access to the web on the remote private
> > network?
>
> What I have used :
> If you just want a proxy : tinyproxy
> If you want some filters : privoxy

Thank you very much for that suggestion!  Tinyproxy looks like a very
good match for my needs.

By default it starts up a deamon on the remote end to act as a proxy.
I don't want a daemon running all of the time and I also don't want
the proxy accessible to others.  But the launching as a daemon can be
easily disabled.  I did so.  Then the program can be launched on
demand with the -d (debug) option to remain in the foreground.  All of
the other defaults appear fine for me.

Works great!  Thanks!

Bob



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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Bob Proulx]

Philipp Tölke wrote:
> Did you look at the -D option for ssh?

Yes.  I use it regularly.  The -D option sets up a socks server.  But
that is a socks proxy not an http proxy.  It is awesome for socks
forwarding though.  I use it with the dante socksify program.  Works
great.

For example I have a network outside my control but with Debian
machines that I maintain.  The network administrator blocks all
outbound access.  It is a rather Draconian network.  I wasn't able to
gain normal access.  But I do have inbound ssh access and am
authorized for the activity but just not technically enabled.

In order to update the Debian machines there I use the -D socks
forwarding option to create a socks proxy that can be used by those
machines on the restricted private network to reach Debian archives on
the outside network via socksified anonymous ftp.  That is how I
update those machines.  That is in daily use to obtain security
upgrades.  Works great!

But I don't know how to make it operate as an http proxy.  Perhaps
there is a way but unknown to me.  I don't want to run my local
firefox under socksify.  I am sure that would work but then I couldn't
easily switch it on and off as needed.  Therefore having an actual
external http proxy works better as far as I can tell.

The tinyproxy suggestion seems like the best solution for me so far.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway!

Bob


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Re: help rebuilding RAID 5 [solved]

[Chris Purves]

On 2011-11-08 16:48, Chris Purves wrote:

Hello,

I have a software RAID 5 consisting of 5 disks. One of the disks (sdc) failed 
and could no longer be recognized by the BIOS. I replaced it with a new disk 
and while the array was rebuilding, another disk (sdd) experienced a read 
error, which caused the disk to be reset and the array to be taken down. I was 
able to determine that disk sdd has bad block, which when read, brings down the 
rest of the array. I am able to assemble the array in a degraded state without 
sdc, so as of yet I have not lost any data (other than the bad block), but I 
need to be able to rebuild the array using sdc before I can replace sdd.

What I have tried:

The first thing I think I need to take care of is the bad block on sdd, so I cloned sdd 
onto another disk using ddrescue and plugged the sdd sata cable into the clone and tried 
to assemble the array using "mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md1". This does not 
work. mdadm assigned the sdd clone as a spare and says it doesn't have enough disks 
available. If I connect back to the original sdd I can assemble the array, degraded, but 
functioning. So mdadm doesn't accept those two disks as the same.

Help, please.


After discussing on the linux-raid mailing list, I tried again to clone the 
disk with the bad block:

ddrescue /dev/bad_block_disk /dev/new_disk

Once that completed (and reported only 4 KB of bad sectors) I unplugged the bad 
block disk and ran:

mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md1

This time it worked and brought the array up in degraded mode with four disks.  
Perhaps I hadn't stopped the array the previous time or something stupid like 
that.


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:31:29AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > > Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of 
> > > the
> > > .deb package though to something more recent. 
> > 
> > A .deb package for firefox? Where?
> 
> The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for
> Stable that tracks the current release.
> 
>   http://mozilla.debian.net/

Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure
you didn't mean iceweasel?


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Re: Adobe flash is dead

[Bob Proulx]

Robert Holtzman wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > A .deb package for firefox? Where?
> > 
> > The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for
> > Stable that tracks the current release.
> > 
> >   http://mozilla.debian.net/
> 
> Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure
> you didn't mean iceweasel?

Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical
purposes Firefox?

Here are some references to backfill the entire very long story, years
in the making, a cast of thousands, and that type of thing.

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html

  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project

Bob


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Re: Adobe flash is dead (now Firefox/Iceweasel/Mozilla)

[Scott Ferguson]

On 11/11/11 11:47, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Robert Holtzman wrote:
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
 A .deb package for firefox? Where?
>>>
>>> The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for
>>> Stable that tracks the current release.
>>>
>>>   http://mozilla.debian.net/
>>
>> Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure
>> you didn't mean iceweasel?
> 
> Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical
> purposes Firefox?
> 
> Here are some references to backfill the entire very long story, years
> in the making, a cast of thousands, and that type of thing.
> 
>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html
> 
>   
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
> 
> Bob


A cast of thousands? :-)

Maybe *two*. The objector from Mozilla, and Mike Hommey the Debian
Mozilla maintainer/superman.

Many, many thanks to him.

Iceweasel is superior to Firefox because:-
;we can modify it without breaching Mozilla copyrights
;we can run less than the latest version of Mozilla code without missing
out on security updates
;because it's maintained by a superman :-D


NOTE: last time I checked you could get a .deb package of Swiftfox - an
"optimised" build of Firefox.

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Re: nfs howto - are debian docs dated?

[Harry Putnam]

Dan Ritter  writes:

[...] snipped useful input... thanks 

> Doing NFS4 exports is a little harder, but you can get better
> access-control. Google for "nfs4 exports debian" to find a
> howto.

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Re: dial-up modem usage

[Rob Owens]

> On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:16:12 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> 
> > I'm setting up a Debian system for a friend, and he uses a dial-up
> > modem.  It's been many years since I dealt with a modem, so I could use
> > a few tips.
> > 
Thanks for the tips, everyone.  But it seems I have forgotten more about
modems than I realized.

I'm now using gnome-ppp as a dialer, which uses wvdial as a backend (I
think).  I'm also using martian-modem, which provides a driver for my
Agere WinModem.  Besides that, I'm testing with an external modem (usb
connection).

I can get gnome-ppp to recognize both modems.  But when I attempt to
dial, I don't hear a dialtone or any dialing.  Almost immediately the
application says something like "sending password", and it hangs there.
Of course it's going to hang -- it has not connected yet.

So I'm thinking maybe I need some kind of initialization string for the
modem.  Are they specific to a certain model of modem?  Is there
something else I should be trying?

Thanks

-Rob


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Re: virtualbox just became slow

[Steve Kleene]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:37:49 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:

>On 11/11/11 00:41, Steve Kleene wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:54:11 + (UTC), I wrote:
>>
 I've been happily running a virtualbox Windows XP machine (VM) on a
 Wheezy host for eight months.  However, the VM just became
 pathologically slow.  For example, if I boot the VM, call Photoshop 6,
 and open a small JPG, it all works but takes several minutes.  During
 much of this time the XP Task Manager pins at 100% CPU usage,

>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:22:14 +1100, Scott Ferguson replied:
>>> Debian/VirtualBox - check dmesg[*1]

dmesg shows these:
[   10.093878] vboxdrv: Found 2 processor cores.
[   10.094047] vboxdrv: fAsync=0 offMin=0x80e offMax=0x1b19
[   10.094144] vboxdrv: TSC mode is 'synchronous', kernel timer mode is 
'normal'.
[   10.094149] vboxdrv: Successfully loaded version 4.1.2_Debian\
 (interface 0x0019).
[   10.419123] vboxpci: IOMMU not found (not registered)

>>> and VirtualBox log for
>>> relevant messages. ... You don't say what sort of
>>> VirtualBox disk system you use.

It's normal format (VDI), dynamically allocated.  VBox.log shows these
errors:

00:00:01.983 ERROR [COM]: aRC=VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80bb0005)\
  aIID={09eed313-cd56-4d06-bd56-fac0f716b5dd} aComponent={Display}\
  aText={Could not take a screenshot (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)}, preserve=false
00:00:02.016 ERROR [COM]: aRC=VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80bb0005)\
  aIID={09eed313-cd56-4d06-bd56-fac0f716b5dd} aComponent={Display}\
  aText={Could not take a screenshot (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)}, preserve=false
00:00:12.936 PATM: Stop monitoring IDT handler pages at 812a9bec - invalid\
  write 812a9880-812a9884 (this is not a fatal error)
00:00:12.940 PATM: Stop monitoring IDT handler pages at 812a94a4 - invalid\
  write 812a9770-812a9771 (this is not a fatal error)

>> Sorry, I meant to mention that there's 8 GB of free disk space on c:.
>> I have never defragged it.
>
>Oh?
>So every read involves a game of hide and seek in the Pacific Ocean? :-)

I did defrag tonight and it didn't help the problem.

>>> ... I'd also suggest you
>>> temporarily disable the virtual NIC to rule out Windoof network
>>> activity as the problem.

This had a definite effect.  With the virtual NIC (attached to NAT), it took
Photoshop 50-55 sec to load.  Without the NIC, it took 12 sec.  This was
reproducible.  In either case trying to print a 95KB JPG from Photoshop
gave this:

Cannot print.  Initialization error.  The error code is 10.

The IDT error handler errors did not show up when the NIC was disabled.
This all used to work with NAT.  Any ideas how to get it back?

> (or move to a proper OS like Debian)

That is my host OS.  It may not be obvious, but I've be using various *IX
since 1982 and learned those long before I learned DOS.  My hosts are all
Debian.  I still need some access to Windows because of co-workers who use
it.


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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Timo Boettcher]

Hi!

* Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Philipp Tölke wrote:
> > Did you look at the -D option for ssh?
> 
> But I don't know how to make it operate as an http proxy.  Perhaps
> there is a way but unknown to me.  I don't want to run my local
> firefox under socksify.  I am sure that would work but then I couldn't
> easily switch it on and off as needed.  Therefore having an actual
> external http proxy works better as far as I can tell.
What about running privoxy over an ssh -D socks-proxy?

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Re: dial-up modem usage

[Stephen Powell]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:54:39 -0500 (EST), Rob Owens wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tips, everyone.  But it seems I have forgotten more about
> modems than I realized.
> 
> I'm now using gnome-ppp as a dialer, which uses wvdial as a backend (I
> think).  I'm also using martian-modem, which provides a driver for my
> Agere WinModem.  Besides that, I'm testing with an external modem (usb
> connection).
> 
> I can get gnome-ppp to recognize both modems.  But when I attempt to
> dial, I don't hear a dialtone or any dialing.  Almost immediately the
> application says something like "sending password", and it hangs there.
> Of course it's going to hang -- it has not connected yet.
> 
> So I'm thinking maybe I need some kind of initialization string for the
> modem.  Are they specific to a certain model of modem?  Is there
> something else I should be trying?

I don't use gnome-ppp or wvdial.  I use native ppp.  Perhaps my ThinkPad
600 page will be useful to you.

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm

See the "Configuring PPP" topic in the Contents section.

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Re: virtualbox just became slow

[Scott Ferguson]

On 11/11/11 13:07, Steve Kleene wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:37:49 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
>> On 11/11/11 00:41, Steve Kleene wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:54:11 + (UTC), I wrote:
>>> 
> I've been happily running a virtualbox Windows XP machine
> (VM) on a Wheezy host for eight months.  However, the VM just
> became pathologically slow.  For example, if I boot the VM,
> call Photoshop 6, and open a small JPG, it all works but
> takes several minutes.  During much of this time the XP Task
> Manager pins at 100% CPU usage,
> 
>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:22:14 +1100, Scott Ferguson replied:
 Debian/VirtualBox - check dmesg[*1]
> 
> dmesg shows these: [   10.093878] vboxdrv: Found 2 processor cores. [
> 10.094047] vboxdrv: fAsync=0 offMin=0x80e offMax=0x1b19 [
> 10.094144] vboxdrv: TSC mode is 'synchronous', kernel timer mode is
> 'normal'. [   10.094149] vboxdrv: Successfully loaded version
> 4.1.2_Debian\ (interface 0x0019). [   10.419123] vboxpci: IOMMU
> not found (not registered)

Don't know if it's relevant - but if you want to use PCI passthrough
(IOMMU) you need a CPU that supports it (and you need to enable it in
the BIOS). It also requires the extensions installed.  See further down
where you mention the IDT errors.

I'm running the most recent stable VirtualBox releases (on Squeeze
boxes), currently Version 4.1.6 r74713 (non-free)[*1].
Wheezy has the 4.1.4 OSE version available in the Debian repositories -
perhaps upgrading might be the first thing to try.

> 
 and VirtualBox log for relevant messages. ... You don't say
 what sort of VirtualBox disk system you use.
> 
> It's normal format (VDI), dynamically allocated.

Dynamic allocation (expand, no shrink) is faster to create, and,
initially uses less space. In practise it will run slower than a
"pre-allocated" drive (static size). Like defragging - it shouldn't be
causing problems of the magnitude you seem to be experiencing.

> VBox.log shows these errors:
> 
> 00:00:01.983 ERROR [COM]: aRC=VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80bb0005)\ 
> aIID={09eed313-cd56-4d06-bd56-fac0f716b5dd} aComponent={Display}\ 
> aText={Could not take a screenshot (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)},
> preserve=false 00:00:02.016 ERROR [COM]: aRC=VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR
> (0x80bb0005)\ aIID={09eed313-cd56-4d06-bd56-fac0f716b5dd}
> aComponent={Display}\ aText={Could not take a screenshot
> (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)}, preserve=false 00:00:12.936 PATM: Stop
> monitoring IDT handler pages at 812a9bec - invalid\ write
> 812a9880-812a9884 (this is not a fatal error) 00:00:12.940 PATM: Stop
> monitoring IDT handler pages at 812a94a4 - invalid\ write
> 812a9770-812a9771 (this is not a fatal error)
> 
>>> Sorry, I meant to mention that there's 8 GB of free disk space on
>>> c:. I have never defragged it.
>> 
>> Oh? So every read involves a game of hide and seek in the Pacific
>> Ocean? :-)
> 
> I did defrag tonight and it didn't help the problem.

With 8GB of free space it shouldn't have been a major slowing factor -
but it will incrementally speed things up.

> 
 ... I'd also suggest you temporarily disable the virtual NIC to
 rule out Windoof network activity as the problem.
> 
> This had a definite effect.  With the virtual NIC (attached to NAT),
> it took Photoshop 50-55 sec to load.  Without the NIC, it took 12
> sec.

My "guess" would be that "something" "might" have wanted network access,
that something was chewing up resources now freed. of course it may
be something as innocent as Windoof (or an application) trying to check
for updates, or simply wanting to scan the network for
workgroups/printers (or a dhcp server).

> This was reproducible.  In either case trying to print a 95KB JPG
> from Photoshop gave this:
> 
> Cannot print.  Initialization error.  The error code is 10.

With the (virtual) NIC removed? Network printer?
If so, try changing to "print to file"

NOTE: I haven't looked up that error code.

> 
> The IDT error handler errors did not show up when the NIC was
> disabled. This all used to work with NAT.  Any ideas how to get it
> back?

IDT errors "may" be related to that IOMMU message - (IO pass through
from host device)

Getting the NIC back - is the reverse of disabling it - surely that's
not what you mean??


> 
>> (or move to a proper OS like Debian)
> 
> That is my host OS.  It may not be obvious, but I've be using various
> *IX since 1982 and learned those long before I learned DOS.  My hosts
> are all Debian.  I still need some access to Windows because of
> co-workers who use it.
> 
> 
Then you understand the problem :-)
I said it only because *some* people keep using some programs like
Photoshop as that's what they know... I don't bother trying to convert
co-workers/staff either (I have to put up with MS Access fans -
converting Windoof fans just means downtime.)

I'd try:-
; Exporting the problematic machine to the host that is running guests
quickly - see if that makes a difference (rule out the host).
; Update 

Re: dial-up modem usage

[Weaver]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:54:39 -0500
Rob Owens  wrote:

> > On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:16:12 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm setting up a Debian system for a friend, and he uses a dial-up
> > > modem.  It's been many years since I dealt with a modem, so I
> > > could use a few tips.
> > > 
> Thanks for the tips, everyone.  But it seems I have forgotten more
> about modems than I realized.
> 
> I'm now using gnome-ppp as a dialer, which uses wvdial as a backend (I
> think).  I'm also using martian-modem, which provides a driver for my
> Agere WinModem.  Besides that, I'm testing with an external modem (usb
> connection).
> 
> I can get gnome-ppp to recognize both modems.  But when I attempt to
> dial, I don't hear a dialtone or any dialing.  Almost immediately the
> application says something like "sending password", and it hangs
> there. Of course it's going to hang -- it has not connected yet.
> 
> So I'm thinking maybe I need some kind of initialization string for
> the modem.  Are they specific to a certain model of modem?  

Yes, or more correctly, the chip.

Is there
> something else I should be trying?

To configure, first get all information from the ISP. You will need to
know what protocol they are using: Pap or Chat, it varies according to
locale and provider. Also username and password. Once you have that,
it's easy to configure by way of ppp-config. It's an ncurses
interface from memory and gives you a more positive connection than
the gui's. Not hearing the dialout doesn't necessarily mean there is
something wrong, it might just mean the speaker on your modem isn't
turned up. Most have them. It pays to have the volume up so that you
can hear what is going on.Unless you're using windows, I'd get rid of
the winmodem. They can be configured these days, for linux, but more
pain than they're worth.
Good luck.
Regards,

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Re: dial-up modem usage

[Weaver]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:54:39 -0500
Rob Owens  wrote:

> > On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:16:12 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm setting up a Debian system for a friend, and he uses a dial-up
> > > modem.  It's been many years since I dealt with a modem, so I
> > > could use a few tips.
> > > 
> Thanks for the tips, everyone.  But it seems I have forgotten more
> about modems than I realized.
> 
> I'm now using gnome-ppp as a dialer, which uses wvdial as a backend (I
> think).  I'm also using martian-modem, which provides a driver for my
> Agere WinModem.  Besides that, I'm testing with an external modem (usb
> connection).
> 
> I can get gnome-ppp to recognize both modems.  But when I attempt to
> dial, I don't hear a dialtone or any dialing.  Almost immediately the
> application says something like "sending password", and it hangs
> there. Of course it's going to hang -- it has not connected yet.
> 
> So I'm thinking maybe I need some kind of initialization string for
> the modem.  Are they specific to a certain model of modem?  

Yes, or more correctly, the chip.

Is there
> something else I should be trying?

To configure, first get all information from the ISP. You will need to
know what protocol they are using: Pap or Chat, it varies according to
locale and provider. Also username and password. Once you have that,
it's easy to configure by way of ppp-config. It's an ncurses
interface from memory and gives you a more positive connection than
the gui's. Not hearing the dialout doesn't necessarily mean there is
something wrong, it might just mean the speaker on your modem isn't
turned up. Most have them. It pays to have the volume up so that you
can hear what is going on.Unless you're using windows, I'd get rid of
the winmodem. They can be configured these days, for linux, but more
pain than they're worth.
Good luck.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Removing evolution but leave gnome intact?

[keitho]

I realize it is not necessary, but if possible I'd like to remove evolution.

This is what I have tried so far:

# aptitude unmarkauto gnome-control-center evolution-data-server
# aptitude unmarkauto libedataserverui1.2-11 capplets-data
# aptitude unmarkauto evolution-data-server-common
# aptitude unmarkauto gnome-session gnome-panel gnome-applets

# aptitude -s -R remove --purge evolution-data-server /
  evolution-data-server-common libedataserverui1.2-11 /
  gnome-control-center: gnome-panel: gnome-applets: gnome-session:

gets me:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common libedataserverui1.2-11
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 443 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 10.8 MB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome-control-center: Depends: evolution-data-server but it is not going
to be installed.
  gnome-panel: Depends: libedataserverui1.2-11 (>= 2.32.2) but it is not
going to be installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

 Remove the following packages:
1) gnome-applets
2) gnome-control-center
3) gnome-panel
4) gnome-session

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]

I've seen some discussion mentioning the keep-all instruction, but I don't
know exactly how to use it or even if it would help.

Ideas?

I'm using Wheezy with Gnome Version: 2.30.2

Thanks,
Keith


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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Bob Proulx]

Timo Boettcher wrote:
> Bob Proulx  wrote:
> > Philipp Tölke wrote:
> > > Did you look at the -D option for ssh?
> > 
> > But I don't know how to make it operate as an http proxy.  Perhaps
> > there is a way but unknown to me.  I don't want to run my local
> > firefox under socksify.  I am sure that would work but then I couldn't
> > easily switch it on and off as needed.  Therefore having an actual
> > external http proxy works better as far as I can tell.
>
> What about running privoxy over an ssh -D socks-proxy?

If you were going to use privoxy then while it would be possible to
use -D to access it but it is just as easy to just do normal tcp port
forwarding with ssh -L :127.0.0.1: and connect to it too.
Then the -D socks option isn't needed at all.  Since the -L is the
much more simpler than -D it wins that comparison.  The -D option is
only interesting if it can solve the problem without any other tools
installed.

I had looked at privoxy as a normal http proxy and it says:

 Privoxy is a web proxy with advanced filtering capabilities for
 protecting privacy, filtering web page content, managing cookies,
 controlling access, and removing ads, banners, pop-ups and other
 obnoxious Internet junk. Privoxy has a very flexible configuration
 and can be customized to suit individual needs and tastes. Privoxy
 has application for both stand-alone systems and multi-user networks.
 .
 Privoxy is based on Internet Junkbuster (tm).

I didn't want any filtering.  It looks to me like privoxy is
targetting filtering.  That doesn't come for free.  It adds a lot of
complication that I didn't need.

Plus privoxy is much larger in size.

  $ apt-cache show tinyproxy | grep ^Size:
  Size: 87474

  $ apt-cache show privoxy | grep Size:
  Size: 607478

As you can see tinyproxy is about 1/7th the size.  So it wins this
comparison so far.

Bob


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Re: Removing evolution but leave gnome intact?

[Weaver]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:24:16 -0800
kei...@strucktower.com wrote:

> I realize it is not necessary, but if possible I'd like to remove
> evolution.

Excellent move!
Then install kdepim.
Much better than evolution in my book,
but, to the problem:
I'm horrendously lazy like this.
I'd simply remove evolution and then let a handy little app like
deborphan take care of the rest over the next couple of update/upgrades.

All necessary dependencies are kept, nothing disrupted and you don't
need to think, which is the best part.
Gnome is much better than it was.
I can remember all sorts of apps that I would never need getting pulled
in on a Gnome install. Now, not quite so much, but still a cludge as
previously mentioned.
Try that anyhow.
Regards,

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Gnome3 and external screen

[Johann Spies]

When I configure my display areas and select the external screen to be
above my internal one, I am unable to move windows to the external
screen.

When the setup is left/right/below this is not a problem.

Does anyone know how to convince Gnome3 to make the first choice setup
workable?

Regards

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Re: mutt and maildir++ format

[Johann Spies]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:05:40PM +0200, Allan Wind wrote:

> Does it work if hard-code maildir++ files?

It finds the mailboxes but when I want to change ('c') to ones with new
mail in, it does not show them.

> 
> I use regular maildir mailboxes and use find to populate it:

> mailboxes `find $HOME/mail/received $HOME/mail/received/lists
> -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d \! -name spam -printf '%h/%f '; echo`
> 

In the end I went back to my old solution to create symlinks with this script:

#!/bin/bash
MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail

cd $MAILDIR

for i in $(find $HOME/Mail -maxdepth 1 -iname ".*" -type d)
do
ln -sv $i $(echo `basename "$i"` | sed -e 's/^\.//')
done

and then my old setup in Mutt works.  I suppose I will have to run that
script from time to time as the new mailboxes get added.

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Re: debian wheezy 64 bit --- on HP Pavillion dv6921la Notebook --- driver question!

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

On a HP Pavilion dv7-4151sg the camera is connected internally to the USB bus.
In this case it is listed in the output of the command
  lsusb -v
as "USB Camera" or "Webcam" or "Camera Sensor". I've tested the camera with
guvcview.
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Re: HTTP proxy over ssh recommendation?

[Philipp Tölke]

> Philipp Tölke wrote:
> > Did you look at the -D option for ssh?
> 
> [...]
> there is a way but unknown to me.  I don't want to run my local
> firefox under socksify.  I am sure that would work but then I couldn't
> easily switch it on and off as needed.  Therefore having an actual
> external http proxy works better as far as I can tell.

Can't you tell firefox to use a socks proxy?

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