date:20110704

Hi all

I'd like to start rtorrent automatically when the system boots.
Does anybody have a init.d script for that?

I tried to use the one from here:
http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/wtorrent

I have uploaded it to pastebin: 
http://pastebin.com/qN0EnTas

Unfortunately I get an error when trying to add this to the the runlevels:
# update-rc.d rtorrent defaults
update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing insserv: warning:
script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: There is a loop
between service squeezeboxserver and rtorrent if stopped
insserv:  loop involving service rtorrent at depth 2 insserv:  loop
involving service squeezeboxserver at depth 1 insserv: Stopping rtorrent
depends on squeezeboxserver and therefore on system facility `$all' which
can not be true! insserv: exiting now without changing boot order!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header

In the german debian users mailinglist I got the advice to change /etc/
init.d/skeleton.
But since this seems very complicated to me I'd like to ask first here 
before I invent the wheel again...


Cheers
Ramon


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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

2011-07-04 Thread kuLa

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On 04/07/11 09:15, Ramon Hofer wrote:
> script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: There is a loop

Hi there,
this line should give you and indications what is wrong, if you don't
read following file /etc/init.d/README

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:43:38 +0100, kuLa wrote:

> On 04/07/11 09:15, Ramon Hofer wrote:
>> script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: There is a
>> loop
> 
> this line should give you and indications what is wrong, if you don't
> read following file /etc/init.d/README

Thanks for your reply.

I know that an option is to write an init.d script that meets the LSB 
requirements. But this seems very complicated to me and therefore I 
wanted to know if somebody else uses rtorrent in a seedbox.

I accidentally found the option in the rtorrent.rc file to automatically 
run some programs on screen startup by adding 'screen -t rtorrent 
rtorrent' to the end of my ~/.rtorrent.rc (which is actually a copy of /
etc/screenrc).

Now when I start screen it puts me automatically into a rtorrent session.
Unfortunately screen doesn't start a (detached) session when the system 
boots.

I will go for the hard way and create the script if there isn't anybody 
who already has the solution to that ;-)

Cheers
Ramon

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

2011-07-04 Thread kuLa

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On 04/07/11 10:04, Ramon Hofer wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> I know that an option is to write an init.d script that meets the LSB 
> requirements. But this seems very complicated to me and therefore I 
> wanted to know if somebody else uses rtorrent in a seedbox.
> 
> I accidentally found the option in the rtorrent.rc file to automatically 
> run some programs on screen startup by adding 'screen -t rtorrent 
> rtorrent' to the end of my ~/.rtorrent.rc (which is actually a copy of /
> etc/screenrc).
> 
> Now when I start screen it puts me automatically into a rtorrent session.
> Unfortunately screen doesn't start a (detached) session when the system 
> boots.
> 
> I will go for the hard way and create the script if there isn't anybody 
> who already has the solution to that ;-)

hello again,
I would suggest using /etc/init.d/skeleton as a template for your
script, it has included all necessary functions, you'll need just to
change it slightly

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Re: cannot go back from nouveau to nv

2011-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf


> >  Forwarded Message 
> > From: Stephen Powell 
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: cannot go back from nouveau to nv
> > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
> > 
> > On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:56:34 -0400 (EDT), Paul Scott wrote:
> > > 
> > > or that read-edid is broken?  ddcprobe seems to provide correct 
> > > information for my ViewSonic VA703b.  read-edid does not.
> > 
> > By the way, have you noticed that nv (xserver-xorg-video-nv)
> > has been dropped from Wheezy (testing) now?  I'm still running it,
> > but I had to download the source code and compile my own version
> > from source.  That still works.  But I'm living on borrowed time.
> > I noticed build warnings that the driver is referring to deprecated
> > fields.  It's only a matter of time before I start to get FTBFS
> > errors.  And then, if the lack of support for interlaced modes
> > has not been addressed in nouveau, I will have to get rid of my
> > monitor.  (My monitor requires an interlaced mode.  That's why
> > I still use nv.)

The nv driver also could be the better choice, when using a real-time
kernel. I downgraded X to stable. I need the nvidia driver packages and
the nv driver package.
To keep both I pinned some packages, the pinning sometimes needs to be
reedited.

Ralf


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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

>> I will go for the hard way and create the script if there isn't anybody
>> who already has the solution to that ;-)
> 
> I would suggest using /etc/init.d/skeleton as a template for your
> script, it has included all necessary functions, you'll need just to
> change it slightly

That's what I was told on the german debian users list too.
I'll give it a try this evening and hope I can handle it.


Thank again!


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Re: Squeeze - Virtualbox - No Installable Kernel

2011-07-04 Thread Nuno Magalhães

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 04:59,   wrote:
> During the install
> of an Ubuntu 8.04 server virtual machine I got the following error:

Why are you asking in a Debian list about an Ubuntu package?
Ask in the Ubuntu forums, they'll know how it's packaged.

I use Sid, i haven't had issues with Virtualbox last time i upgraded,
but have in the past (vms wouldn't start). What i did a few times to
fix it was purge all Virtuabox packages - then make sure all the
kernel drivers were actually purged (they weren't, so i had to rm
them). Then reinstall, let it compile the driver, and it worked.

But that's for Debian Sid and i didn't have problems last time i upgraded.

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

On 04/07/2011 10:15, Ramon Hofer wrote:

Hi all

I'd like to start rtorrent automatically when the system boots.
Does anybody have a init.d script for that?

I have the perfect script for you!

Here it is:

http://users.klvb-larve.org/nico/bin/bash/rtorrent-user.username

You must copy it in /etc/init.d and more importantly name it
/etc/init.d/rtorrent-user. where is your actual username. Hence, you
can set it up for any number of users on the same system. Then, the script will
auto-detect the username on whoes it will run, based on its file name. rtorrent will run
in a (per user) screen session, all is explained in the script. I use this since two
years now (to automatically share Debian/Ubuntu cd isos) and it seems really robust and
friendly!

To be clear, when using it for multiple users, say john and mike, you'll do the
following:

cd /tmp
wget http://users.klvb-larve.org/nico/bin/bash/rtorrent-user.username
cp rtorrent-user.username /etc/init.d/rtorrent-user.john
cp rtorrent-user.username /etc/init.d/rtorrent-user.mike
update-rc.d rtorrent-user.john defaults
update-rc.d rtorrent-user.mike defaults

Then start the services:

/etc/init.d/rtorrent-user.john start
/etc/init.d/rtorrent-user.mike start

Take care to have well configured ~/.rtorrent for each user to avoid heavy
traffic.

Nicolas

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

>> I'd like to start rtorrent automatically when the system boots. Does
>> anybody have a init.d script for that?
> 
> I have the perfect script for you!
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> http://users.klvb-larve.org/nico/bin/bash/rtorrent-user.username

Wow, this really is perfect!
I did what you told me and it works like a charm :-)

Just for curiosity:
When updating-rc.d I get the message "update-rc.d: using dependency based 
boot sequencing".
I suppose this is just an information?
Just want to be sure as I've never added/changed init.d scripts...

Thank you so much!!!


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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery

2011-07-04 Thread shawn wilson

So, you didn't mention your backup policy. I'm guessing this means you had
none?

So, the question is, how much is this data worth to you? If you made a
backup before you started playing with it, it might not be more than $500
for a data recovery company to get your stuff back. If you didn't make that
post 'oh shit' backup, your chance of recovering yourself went exponentially
down and the price of getting someone else to get your stuff went
exponentially up. If this is business, its possible your insurance might
cover some of the cost (donno).

If the data isn't worth money but you'd still like it back (and you didn't
make the 'post oh shit' backup) you need to do that before going in any
direction. Then, I'd find a hex editor I really liked and sit down with the
Google and read on what xfs partitions look like (probably creating a 500k
file with xfs on it, mount it, echo "hello world"> test, unmount and see
what it looks like), after that, do your quick format and see what changed
(diff).

Last thing; you probably want to get away from the computer for a bit. If
you keep at it without a break you'll probably wonder into more stupidity.

RE: Urgent XFS Recovery

2011-07-04 Thread yazicivo

On Mon 7/4/2011 2:41 PM, shawn wilson wrote:
> So, you didn't mention your backup policy. I'm guessing this means you had
> none?

I had one, but it was damaged 2 days before the original fs crash. Moreover, if 
I would have one, I wouldn't be bugging you right now.

> So, the question is, how much is this data worth to you? If you made a
> backup before you started playing with it, it might not be more than $500
> for a data recovery company to get your stuff back. If you didn't make that
> post 'oh shit' backup, your chance of recovering yourself went exponentially
> down and the price of getting someone else to get your stuff went
> exponentially up. If this is business, its possible your insurance might
> cover some of the cost (donno).

Price is fine with me, the problem is that there is no such company I know of 
in Turkey. Any suggestions?

> If the data isn't worth money but you'd still like it back ...

The data is important for me and worths money.

> Last thing; you probably want to get away from the computer for a bit. If
> you keep at it without a break you'll probably wonder into more stupidity.

Thanks for your valuable comments, they were full of insight and shed a 
thousand suns on the solution.

Best.

Re: Problen installing Debian

El 2011-07-03 a las 12:47 -0400, Robert Mansell escribió:

(resending to the list)

> To Camaleón,
> I'm not getting any error messages at all. Maybe the cd drive isn't reading
> the cd.

Okay, no messages, but then what are you getting? You insert the CD into
the reader and then, what happens? 

The more information you provide, the better :-)

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread CamaleÃ³n

On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:44:21 -0700, Paul Scott wrote:

> On 07/03/2011 07:46 AM, CamaleÃ³n wrote:

(...)

>> "CamaleÃ³n" is a sort of nickname I chose long time ago because of the
>> openSUSE mascot (Geeko). It translates as "Chameleon" in English.
> 
> Actually gecko and chameleon are different varieties of lizards.  Both
> words are used in English and don't translate to each other.

I did not say "gecko" but "Geeko" (also note the uppercase) ;-). 

Geeko is the name of the openSUSE mascot and it has been discussed many 
times within the openSUSE community if Geeko is indeed a chameleon or any 
sort of lizard.

It finally seems to be a "veiled chameleon" or that's the main 
consensus :-)

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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery

2011-07-04 Thread Axel Freyn

Hi,
> 
> > So, the question is, how much is this data worth to you? If you made a
> > backup before you started playing with it, it might not be more than $500
> > for a data recovery company to get your stuff back. If you didn't make that
> > post 'oh shit' backup, your chance of recovering yourself went exponentially
> > down and the price of getting someone else to get your stuff went
> > exponentially up. If this is business, its possible your insurance might
> > cover some of the cost (donno).
> 
> Price is fine with me, the problem is that there is no such company I
> know of in Turkey. Any suggestions?
> 
> > If the data isn't worth money but you'd still like it back ...
> 
> The data is important for me and worths money.
Just an additional remark: with each time you mount the new partition
write-enabled, you decrease the probability to recover your data (as
you're going to change the contents of the disk more and more).
So: ONLY mount it read-only
and the safest thing would be to play only on a copy of the partition:

 - add another disk with more than 350GB free space (e.g. mounted to
   /mnt/)

 - copy your damaged partition there: (but verify twice that
   /mnt/partition.dd won't be generated on your destroyed partition :-))

   dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/mnt/partition.dd

 - remove /dev/sda from your system ...

then, "partition.dd" will be a 350GB file containing all data from your
original partition sda1. You can now try to recover data from this file
-- without risk to accidentally destroy your original partition.

In order to recover the data, you could have a look at the Debian
Forensics packages
http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=forensics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
however, I don't know which tools are available for XFS, I only tried it
for ext2/3 sometimes.


Axel



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Re: kvm

2011-07-04 Thread David Sastre

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:08:50PM -0700, Khosrow Hassani wrote:
> Hi,
> I am running kvm 0.12.5 from Squeeze. the problem I am having is that kvm 
> -hda 
> disk1.img -hdb disk2.img doesn't give me 2 drives in my Windows xp inside 
> kvm, 
> even when I run it as root. only the first disk where windows is installed 
> shows up!  
> I created the other image using kvm-img with qcow2 format. Also, the -usb 
> works 
> only for root but not for normal user! when I run it as normal user I get 
> permission error.
> 
> any idea?
> thanks, Khosrow

Maybe using libvirt, virt-install, virsh and friends would made easier
for you to admin storage and users.

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Re: disk problems: which ATA?

On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:35:08 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 19:19 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:25:18 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
>> 
>> > How can I tell which ata device is which hard drive?  It's come up
>> > several times for me, most recently with ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0
>> > SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> You can:
>> 
>> - Run "smartctl -i /dev/sdb | grep -i model"

> Except the drive isn't responding to smartctl (see original message). I
> tried adding -T permissive, but all that gets me is Short INQUIRY
> response, skip product id (curiously, no error about command failed).

Yes, I already noticed but "-i" also fails? :-? It just gathers basic hdd 
info, mmm... that does not sound very good.

Anyway, you can test with another hard disc utility like hdparm/sdparm 
unless they're also failing.

>> - Then "dmesg | grep -i ata2"
>> - To finally compare by hdd model :-)

> That works for my current machine.  But on another machine I want to
> figure out which drive an error message goes with, and there are 2
> identical drivers.  I suppose that even if I new which sd device the ata
> went with, I still wouldn't be sure which physical drive that was...

Try with another tool?

>> As per the error itself, you can use the manufacturer hard disk
>> diagnostic tools which uses to run from a LiveCD and will provide
>> accurate results about your hdd health and status.
>> 
>> OTOH, I've also seen that kind of error coming from bad sata cable or
>> bad sit connection to motherboard/disk. You may also check this.

> I think I already tried reseating, but I suppose it's worth trying
> again.  I'm concerned if I power down I may not be able to get back up,
> since the failing hard disk is actually part of an LVM volume group.  I
> am also unable to get information on that VG right now.

What I would do is:

1/ Having a full copy of both hard disks placed into another machine, 
just in case.

2/ Download manufacture's disk utility and make a full scan for both disks

> Most of the logical vomes in the group are backed by other hard drives,
> but I'm not quite sure what will happen if the disk is toast.  At the
> moment, I have access to most of the LVs, even though I can't get info
> on the PV that contains them (!).

I've never used LVM so I dunno what would happen in such cases. I've 
heard that it is advisable to have a RAID level on top of LVM to avoid 
data loss as LVM does not prevent from this situations unless it has been 
setup to run as RAID 1.

> P.S. For the record, kernel logs need to be read carefully to figure out
> which drive is ata2.  

(...)

I think the important log entry was the first you provided that pointed 
to ata2.

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread CamaleÃ³n

On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:53:03 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

> On 07/03/11 at 02:46pm, CamaleÃ³n wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:26:52 +, T o n g wrote:

(...)

>> > Is CamaleÃ³n really a girl?
>> > 
>> > Just curious.
>> 
>> Yes, I am.
> 
> This explains the politeness, but not the uncanny ability to find
> relevant bugreports within minutes.
> 
> That surely cannot be a trait imparted by gender.

Ha! :-)

That's a weird ability I developed over the years after realizing that 
what we use to know as "technical support" is nothing but a waste of 
time. While I have been waiting for the tech. support response, I've 
already found 5 ways to solve the problem and I have to thank Google for 
that ;-P

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Re: Squeeze - Virtualbox - No Installable Kernel

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:44:56 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 04:59,   wrote:
>> During the install
>> of an Ubuntu 8.04 server virtual machine I got the following error:
> 
> Why are you asking in a Debian list about an Ubuntu package? Ask in the
> Ubuntu forums, they'll know how it's packaged.

(...)

Maybe because he is installing a VM over Squeeze and you never know where 
the underlying problem can be ;-)

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Re: Squeeze - Virtualbox - No Installable Kernel

On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:59:20 -0400, scottmaccal wrote:

> I recently installed VirtualBox on Squeeze by following these
> instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox. During the install of
> an Ubuntu 8.04 server virtual machine I got the following error: No
> installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. Has anyone else
> encountered this and found a fix? If so, could they please share?

Check out this:

VirtualBox with Vista Host and Ubuntu 8.04 Guest
http://jordanteam.com/blog/?p=48

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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 06:24:38 +, Alex PADOLY wrote:

>  For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE, I used LILO in
>  kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card. Why many of LINUX
>  distribution choose GRUB? I don't know that I must choose.

I can't tell for LILO but GRUB legacy (which I know better that GRUB 2) 
was very poweful... powerful in the meaning of having many options to 
diagnose and providing a kind of shell at booting that allowed you to 
edit in-place the menu configuration files or find where the vmlinuz 
image is to adjust it on the fly if necessary.

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread wolf python london

On 4 July 2011 21:20, CamaleÃ³n  wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:53:03 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:
>
>> On 07/03/11 at 02:46pm, CamaleÃ³n wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:26:52 +, T o n g wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> > Is CamaleÃ³n really a girl?
>>> >
>>> > Just curious.
>>>
>>> Yes, I am.
>>
>> This explains the politeness, but not the uncanny ability to find
>> relevant bugreports within minutes.
>>
>> That surely cannot be a trait imparted by gender.
>
> Ha! :-)
>
> That's a weird ability I developed over the years after realizing that
> what we use to know as "technical support" is nothing but a waste of
> time. While I have been waiting for the tech. support response, I've
> already found 5 ways to solve the problem and I have to thank Google for
> that ;-P
>
That's ... UNBELIEVABLE!  You are a woman? I thought you were a young
MAN geek, full of energy
and helpful !  You are so active in this list!   Thank you your help !
> Greetings,
>
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Re: kvm


On 04/07/2011 05:08, Khosrow Hassani wrote:

Hi,
I am running kvm 0.12.5 from Squeeze. the problem I am having is that
kvm -hda disk1.img -hdb disk2.img doesn't give me 2 drives in my Windows
xp inside kvm, even when I run it as root. only the first disk where
windows is installed shows up! I created the other image using kvm-img
with qcow2 format. Also, the -usb works only for root but not for normal
user! when I run it as normal user I get permission error.

any idea?
thanks, Khosrow


Really, you don't need to run kvm as root until you want to do really specials 
things.

Are you installing Windows or is it already installed and you later added the second 
drive?  It's not clear "where" you can't see the second drive (during the installation, 
into the computer window? the admin's drive manager?, etc.).


I just wonder if your drives are formatted or raw, and what fs they're using?
From my memories, Windows is kind of "stupid" with hard drives since what's not MS 
shouldn't exist at all.


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

2011-07-04 Thread wolf python london

On 4 July 2011 21:32, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 06:24:38 +, Alex PADOLY wrote:
>
>>  For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE, I used LILO in
>>  kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card. Why many of LINUX
>>  distribution choose GRUB? I don't know that I must choose.
>
> I can't tell for LILO but GRUB legacy (which I know better that GRUB 2)
Hey, why not use grub2 ? it's shipped with Squeeze , Wheezy , Sid?

> was very poweful... powerful in the meaning of having many options to
> diagnose and providing a kind of shell at booting that allowed you to
> edit in-place the menu configuration files or find where the vmlinuz
> image is to adjust it on the fly if necessary.
I have to say that grub 2 is more powerful , as far as I know .
it behaves more like *nix software, such as the configuration file,which
means we'd better not edit the config of grub directly  .
And it has the ability to probe other systems in the same hard disk (
though with some bugs to probe correctly the Mandriva/Mageia system)

the most important is it is maintained actively, while grub legacy is
not maintained
anymore .


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Third kernel oops in three days

2011-07-04 Thread Jonathan Hanger

Hello,

I've been having some troubles with the kernel these last three days.
In that time, three oops happened... which is really unusual (running
Debian for a few months with no kernel problems so far).

I can't know whether it is related or not, but the first oops came
after I was "playing" a game under Wine that was running really slow
(see my email "Dependencies problem with libgl1-mesa-glx" a few days
ago). The second happened yesterday and the third today.

I think the three oops are the exact same, as I remember checking the
error log (the last oops is attached under this).

Thanks, Jonathan.



Kernel failure message 1:
[ cut here ]
WARNING: at 
/build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.39-2-i386-Ow09ch/linux-2.6-2.6.39/debian/build/source_i386_none/block/genhd.c:1556
disk_clear_events+0xa9/0xd2()
Hardware name: KP236AA-ABF a6460.fr
Modules linked in: snd_seq_dummy isofs nls_utf8 nls_cp437 vfat fat udf
webcamstudio(O) videodev media acpi_cpufreq mperf cpufreq_stats
cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_conservative parport_pc
ppdev lp parport rfcomm bnep bluetooth rfkill snd_hrtimer binfmt_misc
fuse nfsd nfs lockd fscache auth_rpcgss nfs_acl sunrpc loop
firewire_sbp2 snd_hda_codec_realtek snd_hda_intel nouveau
snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm ttm
drm_kms_helper snd_seq_midi drm snd_rawmidi snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq
evdev i2c_algo_bit power_supply video i2c_i801 processor button
snd_timer snd_seq_device snd psmouse i2c_core serio_raw pcspkr
thermal_sys soundcore snd_page_alloc ext4 mbcache jbd2 crc16 sg sd_mod
sr_mod crc_t10dif cdrom usbhid hid usb_storage uas uhci_hcd ahci
libahci libata firewire_ohci firewire_core scsi_mod ehci_hcd r8169
usbcore crc_itu_t mii [last unloaded: scsi_wait_scan]
Pid: 2601, comm: udisks-daemon Tainted: G   O 2.6.39-2-686-pae #1
Call Trace:
 [] ? warn_slowpath_common+0x6a/0x7b
 [] ? disk_clear_events+0xa9/0xd2
 [] ? warn_slowpath_null+0xd/0x10
 [] ? disk_clear_events+0xa9/0xd2
 [] ? check_disk_change+0x17/0x45
 [] ? sd_open+0xc8/0x164 [sd_mod]
 [] ? __blkdev_get+0xb5/0x2f3
 [] ? blkdev_get+0x18c/0x270
 [] ? fsnotify_perm+0x4f/0x5a
 [] ? bd_acquire+0x20/0x8f
 [] ? __dentry_open+0x15b/0x236
 [] ? nameidata_to_filp+0x3a/0x45
 [] ? blkdev_get+0x270/0x270
 [] ? do_last+0x441/0x51c
 [] ? path_openat+0x97/0x27d
 [] ? do_filp_open+0x21/0x5d
 [] ? do_sys_open+0x58/0xd1
 [] ? sys_open+0x1e/0x23
 [] ? sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28
 [] ? flow_cache_cpu_prepare+0x3f/0x64
---[ end trace 70e99342bef73d5e ]---


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

2011-07-04 Thread wolf python london

On 4 July 2011 14:24, Alex PADOLY  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE, I used LILO in
> kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
It seems that only the Slackware  still holds on to the LILO.

I haven't use LILO , so have no right to comment on the difference
between them .
Maybe this reference can help you
.(http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload/index.html)
> I don't know that I must choose.
>
> Thank you.
> Alex
>



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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:08:06 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

> On 4 July 2011 21:32, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 06:24:38 +, Alex PADOLY wrote:
>>
>>>  For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE, I used LILO
>>>  in kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card. Why many of LINUX
>>>  distribution choose GRUB? I don't know that I must choose.
>>
>> I can't tell for LILO but GRUB legacy (which I know better that GRUB 2)

> Hey, why not use grub2 ? it's shipped with Squeeze , Wheezy , Sid?

(...)

I did not say the opposite but I can't speak for a bootloader version 
that I barely know/use. 

I know (and can speak of) GRUB legacy because I've been using it since 
many years and know how it works and what allows but can't say the same 
for new GRUB because it's unknow to me (I can guess about its 
capabilities but nothing more) :-)

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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery

On 04/07/2011 14:37, Axel Freyn wrote:

Hi,

So, the question is, how much is this data worth to you? If you made a
backup before you started playing with it, it might not be more than $500
for a data recovery company to get your stuff back. If you didn't make that
post 'oh shit' backup, your chance of recovering yourself went exponentially
down and the price of getting someone else to get your stuff went
exponentially up. If this is business, its possible your insurance might
cover some of the cost (donno).

Price is fine with me, the problem is that there is no such company I
know of in Turkey. Any suggestions?

If the data isn't worth money but you'd still like it back ...

The data is important for me and worths money.

Just an additional remark: with each time you mount the new partition
write-enabled, you decrease the probability to recover your data (as
you're going to change the contents of the disk more and more).
So: ONLY mount it read-only
and the safest thing would be to play only on a copy of the partition:

- add another disk with more than 350GB free space (e.g. mounted to
/mnt/)

- copy your damaged partition there: (but verify twice that
/mnt/partition.dd won't be generated on your destroyed partition :-))

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/mnt/partition.dd

- remove /dev/sda from your system ...

then, "partition.dd" will be a 350GB file containing all data from your
original partition sda1. You can now try to recover data from this file
-- without risk to accidentally destroy your original partition.

In order to recover the data, you could have a look at the Debian
Forensics packages
http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=forensics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
however, I don't know which tools are available for XFS, I only tried it
for ext2/3 sometimes.

Axel

This is really a wise approach. Mine was far more insecure but still maybe interesting:
since you just (quickly?) formatted to fat16, I think you only modified the partition
table. Then, playing with parted, you could delete (i.e. will only delete the partition
entry, not its content of course) the partition formatted to fat16 and then ask parted to
search for unreferenced partitions. It should find the xfs partition and recreate the
correct entry for it in the partition table.

Now, it seems you played a lot with your partition and things might be more complicated or
might not (maybe you didn't change anything even if the partition was mounted rw, is that
possible with xfs?).

Nicolas

PS: note that I once did this to recover 3 partitions: /, /home and swap and parted
wrongly detected swap, it has a 8 byte offset I had to correct by hand, but everything was
properly recovered, just double check the results (partition boundaries displayed as bytes
or sectors), etc.

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

On Monday 04 July 2011 14:59:01 wolf python london wrote:
> That's ... UNBELIEVABLE! Â You are a woman? I thought you were a young
> MAN geek, full of energy
> and helpful !

I hope that that was intended to be funny.  It is in fact provocative, 
unpleasant and rude.

Lisi


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Re: Third kernel oops in three days

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:56:50 +0200, Jonathan Hanger wrote:

> I've been having some troubles with the kernel these last three days. In
> that time, three oops happened... which is really unusual (running
> Debian for a few months with no kernel problems so far).

(...)

> WARNING: at 
> /build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.39-2-i386-Ow09ch/linux-2.6-2.6.39/debian/build/source_i386_none/block/genhd.c:1556
>  disk_clear_events+0xa9/0xd2()

(...)

You seem to be hitting this upstream kernel bug:

Warning at block/genhd.c:1556 disk_clear_events 
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34662

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Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound

2011-07-04 Thread Tomas Kral

Dear List,

I have recently upgraded to Squeeze.
I experience very slow playback of DVDs in Totem.
I have a bad sound as well.
It appears to be dropping some of the picture frames, and sound tracks,
also
it skips DVD intro and starts right at the DVD menu.

Films downloaded from the Internet play well in Totem, only films played
back from original DVDs have these problems.

Totem on the command line, reports this
$ totem
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.3
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
libdvdnav: DVD Title: Vrchni prchni
libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 37087180C8F78E7F
libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): 
libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/tcat/.dvdnav/Vrchni
prchni.map'
libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x0040. Regions:
1 2 3 4 5 6 8

libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys
libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient

libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x0142
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0xf8f8
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x0001ccc4
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x001e1a6e
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x001ed7ad
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x001ed949
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x001fe785
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x001fe7dc
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x001fec26
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x001fec73
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB at 0x0022f370
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x0022f50b
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x00230271
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x00230492
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_0.VOB at 0x00230675
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_1.VOB at 0x0023080e
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_09_1.VOB at 0x002308e7
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Found 9 VTS's
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdnav: RANDOM or SHUFFLE titles are NOT handled yet.
No accelerated IMDCT transform found
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server socket
jack server is not running or cannot be started

I have installed these gstreamer plugins and libs
ii  gstreamer0.10-alsa   0.10.30-1
GStreamer plugin for ALSA
ii  gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg 0.10.10-1
FFmpeg plugin for GStreamer
ii  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad0.10.19-2+b1
GStreamer plugins from the "bad" set
ii  gstreamer0.10-plugins-base   0.10.30-1
GStreamer plugins from the "base" set
ii  gstreamer0.10-plugins-good   0.10.24-1
GStreamer plugins from the "good" set
ii  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly   0.10.15-1
GStreamer plugins from the "ugly" set

Has anybody been through this, am I missing some piece of setting?
Many thanks.

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

On 04/07/2011 13:25, Ramon Hofer wrote:

Wow, this really is perfect!
I did what you told me and it works like a charm :-)

Thank you!
Indeed, it's a great pleasure for me to share this script! When I wrote it, I was
particularly proud and then I polished it with the idea in mind to be able to share it
quickly. Mission done today!

A friend of mine is using it since the beginning too and is really happy with
it.

Just for curiosity:
When updating-rc.d I get the message "update-rc.d: using dependency based
boot sequencing".
I suppose this is just an information?
Just want to be sure as I've never added/changed init.d scripts...
Yes this message is just telling you that now it uses upstart instead of the old system V
approach (executing scripts as are presented alphabetically).
Now, upstart uses dependencies: in my script, you'll find a dependency on network, that
is, my script will be started after the network is started. Moreover, my script provide a
"service" that is basically called "rtorrent".

But now, it's important to mention that if you wish to use this script for *more than one
users* on the same machine, you'll have a dependency-name conflict since all of the
rtorrent-user.* scripts will provide the same "service" name (aka "rtorrent"). So you
just have to edit the scripts and change "rtorrent" to "rtorrent.".

Just to push things a little more: I have a generic alias (in ~/.bashrc) called 'srt' that
completes the "suite":

alias='screen -x rtorrent.${USER}'

Nicolas

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread Go Linux

--- On Mon, 7/4/11, wolf python london  wrote:
> 
> That's ... UNBELIEVABLE!Â  You are a woman? I thought
> you were a young
> MAN geek, full of energy
> and helpful !Â  You are so active in this
> list!Â Â Â Thank you your help !
> 

What's unbelievable is that YOU think it's unbelievable 




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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n


On 04/07/2011 15:59, wolf python london wrote:

I thought you were a young
MAN geek, full of energy
and helpful !  You are so active in this list!

Actually, I thought the same!
It's funny to realize what we're able to (deeply) imagine, just on the base of 
a few details!

Nicolas


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

2011-07-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Alex PADOLY  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE, I used LILO in
> kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
> I don't know that I must choose.
>
> Thank you.
> Alex
>

There are a big, big stack of reasons. Once grub is installed, you can
edit grub.conf and don't have to "re-install" it in the boot loader,
This is an *enormous* stability advantage: various changes of system
configuration and kernel changes can re-arrange your drives, and
having to figure out which one gets the boot loader with the new
ordering is incredibly painful.

LILO's old limitations to having your "/boot" partition contained
entirely in the first 8 Gig of disk was also a big issue with
dual-boot or larger drived systems where a single "/" partition was
preferable. Grub does not have this issue.

Also, LILO had a maximum character length in the label naming.  (15
characters?) This prevented saying "kernel 2.4.37 with NFS tested", or
"kernel 2.6.100 with USB3 testing" in the label names, and made life
very hard for developers who were chewing through dozens of kernels in
a very small amount of time.

The *only* thing I miss from LILO is the "Set your default kernel from
the command line" option, followed with the "Reboot once only with an
alternative kernel". It saved my ass when a whole stack of new
hardware had newer hard drives unsupported by a production kernel, and
they all failed to reboot with the "upgrade" to the production kernel,
rather than using the operating system's bog-standard  kernel. (This
was a Red Hat release, not Debian, but the issues applied.)

That sort of thing was also why I loathe kernel, and Apache, and Perl
maintainers who think "oh, let's just stick with the old version,
we'll backport changes if and as we need them" and refuse to update to
the version published with their OS. The integration issues bite you
at bad, bad, bad moments.

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Re: Anyone got ZTE K3565-Z working with Debian?

2011-07-04 Thread Baurzhan Ismagulov

On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 09:20:02PM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> ...I couldn't.  It's a usb stick for internet connection, sold by Vodafone.
> Any help appreciated.  The stuff I've found googling around didn't help in my
> case.

Works for me with vodafone-mobile-connect 2.10.01-1 from
http://www.betavine.net/bvportal/resources/datacards/os/ubuntu .

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

>> Wow, this really is perfect!
>> I did what you told me and it works like a charm :-)
> 
> Thank you!
> Indeed, it's a great pleasure for me to share this script!  When I wrote
> it, I was particularly proud and then I polished it with the idea in
> mind to be able to share it quickly.  Mission done today!
> 
> A friend of mine is using it since the beginning too and is really happy
> with it.

Why don't you put it into the debian wiki or somewhere else?
I was googling for such a script for several days.
Like that you can share it even easier :-)


>> Just for curiosity:
>> When updating-rc.d I get the message "update-rc.d: using dependency
>> based boot sequencing".
>> I suppose this is just an information? Just want to be sure as I've
>> never added/changed init.d scripts...
> Yes this message is just telling you that now it uses upstart instead of
> the old system V approach (executing scripts as are presented
> alphabetically). Now, upstart uses dependencies: in my script, you'll
> find a dependency on network, that is, my script will be started after
> the network is started.  Moreover, my script provide a "service" that is
> basically called "rtorrent".

Ah that's it.
Thanks for your explanation!


> But now, it's important to mention that if you wish to use this script
> for *more than one users* on the same machine, you'll have a
> dependency-name conflict since all of the rtorrent-user.* scripts will
> provide the same "service" name (aka "rtorrent").  So you just have to
> edit the scripts and change "rtorrent" to "rtorrent.".

I probably won't use it with another user. But we'll never know. I 
changed the service name just to be sure :-)


> Just to push things a little more: I have a generic alias (in ~/.bashrc)
> called 'srt' that completes the "suite":
> 
> alias='screen -x rtorrent.${USER}'

That's a good idea!
I will create that alias too :-)

Btw: Why do you use the -x option and not the -r option?


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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery

2011-07-04 Thread shawn wilson

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 08:01, yazicivo  wrote:
> On Mon 7/4/2011 2:41 PM, shawn wilson wrote:

> Price is fine with me, the problem is that there is no such company I know
> of in Turkey. Any suggestions?
>
maybe here: 
http://www.werecoverdata.com/AS/Aydin-Turkey/DataRecoveryAydin-Turkey.htm
NOTE: i'm not recommending these guys, they're just the first that
popped up when i googled 'turkey data recovery'. do some research
before you send your data and make a backup before you send it.

>> If the data isn't worth money but you'd still like it back ...
>
> The data is important for me and worths money.
>
>> Last thing; you probably want to get away from the computer for a bit. If
>> you keep at it without a break you'll probably wonder into more stupidity.
>
> Thanks for your valuable comments, they were full of insight and shed a
> thousand suns on the solution.
>

i would buy two disks (they're cheap and you'll need one anyway to
make a backup before sending your data off). then i'd dd a copy over
(as someone described). then i'd make a copy on another disk, throw
both in a drawer (ie, safe place) and spend a little time (figuring
that you will probably fail, i don't know what your time is worth but
you might get lucky vs spending money for nothing) trying to recover
your data yourself off of another copy of the dd on the same drive
(that way, when you mess up you can go back to your original copy on
the same drive and you don't touch your original data or the primary
backup again).

then, once you are done playing, contact a few companies and explain
what you did (you might also want to go ahead and recover your history
off of one of those dd images for them too). see what they want you to
send, if they can quote you a price (a rough price because depending
what you did after the format, it might take more or less time), and
(depending on your data) what their policy is on retaining and
disclosing your data to third parties.

per that last statement, i know turkey has some interesting laws on
internet and data use. if you don't like this, you might consider
sending your data off to another country (germany comes to mind).

hth

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Re: OT: Camaleï¿½n

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 09:59:01PM +0800, wolf python london wrote:

  ..snip..
> >
> That's ... UNBELIEVABLE!  You are a woman? I thought you were a young
> MAN geek, full of energy
> and helpful !  You are so active in this list!   Thank you your help !

And I thought chauvinism was dead.

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze


On 04/07/2011 18:19, Ramon Hofer wrote:

Why don't you put it into the debian wiki or somewhere else?
I was googling for such a script for several days.
Like that you can share it even easier :-)

Don't know really, maybe I originally intented to give it to people I know.  
That's an idea...


I probably won't use it with another user. But we'll never know. I
changed the service name just to be sure :-)

Good idea!


Btw: Why do you use the -x option and not the -r option?
Because -x is harmless (as far as I know) until you recall the screen session not from 
itsef and almost because -r doesn't bother when the session is already attached elsewhere.


Note that screen -r is a cool way to do bash parties, I did it with my brother: we both 
saw the same bash session but were 300km far away from each other, really interesting (but 
only one may type at a time!)


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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread Nuno MagalhÃ£es

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 17:33, Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> And I thought chauvinism was dead.

Surely you jest.

I'd call it statistics though, but i'm not trying to impress.


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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread briand

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:08:17 +0200
Nicolas Bercher  wrote:

> On 04/07/2011 15:59, wolf python london wrote:
> > I thought you were a young
> > MAN geek, full of energy
> > and helpful !  You are so active in this list!
> Actually, I thought the same!
> It's funny to realize what we're able to (deeply) imagine, just on the base 
> of a few details!
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 

I thought Camaleon was a turing machine.  I mean really, when does she sleep ?


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Wheezy, KDE & autostart

2011-07-04 Thread Erwan David

I've got a problem with my KDE 4.6 on wheezy.

At beginning of session, it always starts iceodve, even if there is no
.desktop file in .kde/Autostart (and thus no icedove idem in System
Settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart)

I do not use session saving, so where could the invocation of icedove be ?

(and a find -L .kde -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep -i icedove did not
give anything, nor the same invocation in .local)


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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

>> Why don't you put it into the debian wiki or somewhere else? I was
>> googling for such a script for several days. Like that you can share it
>> even easier :-)
> Don't know really, maybe I originally intented to give it to people I
> know.  That's an idea...

Ok, didn't want to meddle in your affairs ;-)


>> Btw: Why do you use the -x option and not the -r option?
> Because -x is harmless (as far as I know) until you recall the screen
> session not from itsef and almost because -r doesn't bother when the
> session is already attached elsewhere.

Ahh, that's interesting!
I usually used two commands to reattach a session:
1. screen -ls
2. screen -r ...

 
> Note that screen -r is a cool way to do bash parties, I did it with my
> brother: we both saw the same bash session but were 300km far away from
> each other, really interesting (but only one may type at a time!)

Really cool :-)

I have to learn a lot more about screen...


Thanks again so much!


Ramon


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Re: Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:31:59 +0200, Tomas Kral wrote:

> I have recently upgraded to Squeeze.
> I experience very slow playback of DVDs in Totem. I have a bad sound as
> well.
> It appears to be dropping some of the picture frames, and sound tracks,
> also
> it skips DVD intro and starts right at the DVD menu.
> 
> Films downloaded from the Internet play well in Totem, only films played
> back from original DVDs have these problems.

(...)

I don't know if this will be of any help but Google finds a report -quite 
similar to yours- from another user:

http://www.forumdebian.com.br/archive/index.php/thread-634.html

(it is written in Brazilian Portuguese but I think the logs can be easily 
understandable)

It seems the user is also facing that problem when using Totem, VLC and 
MPlayer to watch a comercial DVD in Debian Squeeze.

Given the shared similarities in both cases, I would try to watch another 
comercial DVD and see what happens. It can be a problem with a specific 
DVD media that uses a copy protection measure that makes the media player 
to have problems in decoding.

Also, testing with another multimedia player software won't hurt :-)

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Re: NVIDIA - URGENT

2011-07-04 Thread Andrej Kacian

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:38:01 +0200
Sven Joachim  wrote:

>> I tried to do the same, but alas, Xorg doesn't like noveau driver:
>>
>> [  1528.909] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
>> [  1528.916] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
>> [  1528.916] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
>> [  1528.924] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
>> [...]
>> [  1529.044] (EE) [drm] failed to open device
>> [  1529.044] (EE) No devices detected.
>>
>> It should work, though, GT200 series should be supported by nouveau.  
>
>Looks like Kernel Modesetting is disabled, either through a boot
>parameter or via a file in /etc/modprobe.d.  Try reloading the nouveau
>kernel module:
>
>rmmod nouveau
>nouveau modprobe modeset=1
>
>and restart X.

Thanks for the tip, but I already installed nvidia-glx from sid, and am now
happily using it. I wrote this little gem of knowledge down for the future,
though. :)

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Re: Wheezy, KDE & autostart

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:53:45 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> I've got a problem with my KDE 4.6 on wheezy.
> 
> At beginning of session, it always starts iceodve, even if there is no
> .desktop file in .kde/Autostart (and thus no icedove idem in System
> Settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart)
> 
> I do not use session saving, so where could the invocation of icedove be
> ?
> 
> (and a find -L .kde -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep -i icedove did not
> give anything, nor the same invocation in .local)

Does the same happen for another user?

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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

On Monday 04 July 2011 17:38:32 Nuno MagalhÃ£es wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 17:33, Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> > And I thought chauvinism was dead.
>
> Surely you jest.

I hope that he does not.

> I'd call it statistics though, but i'm not trying to impress.

No???  So why do you need to insult and belittle other people?

Thank you, Robert.  No, chauvinism is sadly not dead, but it is usually only 
found among those who feel themselves to be inferior and can only bolster 
their own self image by bullying and insulting those who are in fact their 
superiors.

If the cap fits

Lisi

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

2011-07-04 Thread Joey Hess

Nicolas Bercher wrote:
> http://users.klvb-larve.org/nico/bin/bash/rtorrent-user.username
> 
> You must copy it in /etc/init.d and more importantly name it
> /etc/init.d/rtorrent-user. where  is your actual
> username.  Hence, you can set it up for any number of users on the
> same system.  Then, the script will auto-detect the username on
> whoes it will run, based on its file name.

That is unnecessarily complicated. You can instead use an @reboot
cron job, which can be set up using crontab -e by any user without
root. For example:

@reboot screen -d -m -S rtorrent rtorrent

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too much context switching

2011-07-04 Thread ChadDavis

I'm learning about various tools to monitor performance.  I'm reading
about vmstat right now, and it says that context switching, if very
high, can be an indicator of misbehaving hardware . . . I'm not that
interested in what it can mean, at this point, but I'm interested in
what appears to be "high" numbers on my machine, as compared to the
reading material I have.

When I execute the command:

vmstat 5 5

I get:


procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 2  0  0 5741808 573028 104062800   12242   53 1107  4  1 92  4
 1  0  0 5747552 573036 103448800 022   14 2522  1  0 99  0
 0  0  0 5747460 573060 103448800 032   18 2493  1  0 99  0
 0  0  0 5747740 573096 103448800 057   72 4142  1  1 98  0
 0  0  0 5747616 573144 103446800 061   20  687  1  0 99  0


Aren't those context switch number pretty high?  I realize this may be
all relative, but these numbers are WAY higher than I see in the
reference materials, so . . .


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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread John Hasler

briand writes:
> I thought Camaleon was a turing machine.

Can't be.  The universe is finite so she can't have an unbounded tape.

> I mean really, when does she sleep ?

In a time vacuole.
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Re: Wheezy, KDE & autostart

2011-07-04 Thread Thierry Chatelet

On Monday 04 July 2011 18:53:45 Erwan David wrote:
> I've got a problem with my KDE 4.6 on wheezy.
> 
> At beginning of session, it always starts iceodve, even if there is no
> .desktop file in .kde/Autostart (and thus no icedove idem in System
> Settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart)
> 
> I do not use session saving, so where could the invocation of icedove be ?
> 
> (and a find -L .kde -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep -i icedove did not
> give anything, nor the same invocation in .local)

Have you in system settings->start up and shut down->session management -> 
Start with empty session.
Thierry


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 02:24:38 -0400 (EDT), Alex Padoly wrote:
> 
> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE,
> I used LILO in kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
> I don't know that I must choose.

I believe most distributions make Grub Version 2 their default
boot loader because, at least in theory, it handles the majority
of user's needs and because it is the newest boot loader.  I
used it for a short while, but quickly abandoned it and went back
to LILO due to problems I was having with it at that time.
Perhaps those problems have since been resolved, I don't know.
But I continue to see trouble reports against it, and that does
not encourage me.  Besides, LILO does everything I need it to do.

If you are building your own custom kernels, and if you are
using LILO, you may find these two web pages useful resources:

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm
   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm

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Re: Wheezy, KDE & autostart

2011-07-04 Thread Erwan David

On 04/07/11 19:27, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Monday 04 July 2011 18:53:45 Erwan David wrote:
>> I've got a problem with my KDE 4.6 on wheezy.
>>
>> At beginning of session, it always starts iceodve, even if there is no
>> .desktop file in .kde/Autostart (and thus no icedove idem in System
>> Settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart)
>>
>> I do not use session saving, so where could the invocation of icedove be ?
>>
>> (and a find -L .kde -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep -i icedove did not
>> give anything, nor the same invocation in .local)
> 
> Have you in system settings->start up and shut down->session management -> 
> Start with empty session.
> Thierry
> 
> 

Yes I have.


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Re: Wheezy, KDE & autostart

El 2011-07-04 a las 19:13 +0200, Erwan David escribió:

(resending to the list)

> On 04/07/11 19:11, Camaleón wrote:
> > On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:53:45 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > 
> >> I've got a problem with my KDE 4.6 on wheezy.
> >>
> >> At beginning of session, it always starts iceodve, even if there is no
> >> .desktop file in .kde/Autostart (and thus no icedove idem in System
> >> Settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart)
> >>
> >> I do not use session saving, so where could the invocation of icedove be
> >> ?
> >>
> >> (and a find -L .kde -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep -i icedove did not
> >> give anything, nor the same invocation in .local)
> > 
> > Does the same happen for another user?
> > 
> 
> I am the only user on the machine, but I may try with a specially
> created account (this will have to wait for tomorrow morning).

Yep, create a new user account and try from there, you can remove it 
afterwards.

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Re: too much context switching

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:20:18 -0600, ChadDavis wrote:

(...)
 
> When I execute the command:
> 
> vmstat 5 5
> 
> I get:
> 
> 
> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io-system-- cpu
> r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy  id wa 
> 2  0  0 5741808 573028 104062800   12242   53 1107  4  1 92  
> 4 
> 1  0  0 5747552 573036 103448800 022   14 2522  1  0 99  
> 0 
> 0  0  0 5747460 573060 103448800 032   18 2493  1  0 99  
> 0 
> 0  0  0  5747740 573096 1034488   00 057   72 4142  1  1 98  0
> 0  0  0 5747616 573144  1034468   00 061   20  687  1  0 99  0
> 
> 
> Aren't those context switch number pretty high?  I realize this may be
> all relative, but these numbers are WAY higher than I see in the
> reference materials, so . . .

You mean the "cs" column?

sm01@stt008:~$ vmstat 5 5
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 0  0  0 6261340  66836 108205200 937   38  176  1  0 98  0
 0  0  0 6261312  66836 108205200 014   73  119  0  0 100  0
 0  0  0 6261416  66836 108205200 058   75  108  0  0 100  0
 0  0  0 6261568  66836 108205200 025  111  180  0  0 100  0
 0  0  0 6261600  66836 108205200 0 0  101  169  0  0 100  0

Just to compare, I dunno what that means, neither if lower values are 
better or worse nor why. Let's see what people has to say on this regard :-)

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

> That is unnecessarily complicated. You can instead use an @reboot cron
> job, which can be set up using crontab -e by any user without root. For
> example:
> 
> @reboot screen -d -m -S rtorrent rtorrent

I didn't know that this works too.
Nice hint!
Thanks alot :-)


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Re: OT: CamaleÃ³n

2011-07-04 Thread Paul Scott


On 07/04/2011 05:08 AM, CamaleÃ³n wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:44:21 -0700, Paul Scott wrote:


Actually gecko and chameleon are different varieties of lizards.  Both
words are used in English and don't translate to each other.

I did not say "gecko" but "Geeko" (also note the uppercase) ;-).


Sorry!  :)  After my Googling it was easy to assume this was a typo.  I 
did notice that Geeko did make sense from a software organization.



Geeko is the name of the openSUSE mascot and it has been discussed many
times within the openSUSE community if Geeko is indeed a chameleon or any
sort of lizard.

It finally seems to be a "veiled chameleon" or that's the main
consensus :-)


Thanks.  I only have a little OpenSuse experience.  The only client that 
I installed it for had me switch him to Ubuntu.


Thanks for all the help you provide on this list!

Paul




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Re: Enough, enough

2011-07-04 Thread Paul Scott


On 07/04/2011 11:52 AM, T o n g wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:33:30 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:


That's ... UNBELIEVABLE!  You are a woman? I thought you were a young
MAN geek, full of energy
and helpful !  You are so active in this list!   Thank you your help !

And I thought chauvinism was dead. . .

Ok everyone,

Let's not derail too far. Still remember OP question? it was "Squeeze:
How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus".

Sorry CamaleÃ³n to have dragged you into this mess. My intention was good
-- showing that how woman can also do admiringly well.

And I believe wolf python london meant the same as well, and so does
Nicolas Bercher and briand.

Also I believe that everyone who had received help from CamaleÃ³n will
feel the same, especially when they realized CamaleÃ³n is actually a woman.

So, let's not derail too far, and let's not respond to those who does.


This has long been a separate thread and I see you've started another one.

Have fun,

Paul



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Re: too much context switching

2011-07-04 Thread T o n g

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:20:18 -0600, ChadDavis wrote:

> I'm learning about various tools to monitor performance.  I'm reading
> about vmstat right now, and it says that context switching, if very
> high, can be an indicator of misbehaving hardware

Hi ChadDavis, can you post more about this vmstat and context switching 
please? what the material you are reading say about them? I'm interested 
to know. 

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:04:31 +, Camaleón wrote:

> I dunno what that means, neither if lower values are better or worse nor
> why. Let's see what people has to say on this regard :-)

Just for the comparison as well. Here is mine:

$ vmstat 5 5
procs ---memory--  ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cachesi   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 0  0  65948 1100224 174076 7788680095672   18  8  2 89  1
 0  1  65948 1100092 174076 77890000 0 6  386  675  1  0 98  0
 0  0  65948 1099968 174076 77890000 013  340  637  2  1 97  0
 1  0  65948 1099852 174084 77890000 090  753 1560  9  3 87  1
 0  0  65948 1099852 174092 77890000 013  399  735  2  1 96  0

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Re: too much context switching

2011-07-04 Thread ChadDavis

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:02 PM, T o n g  wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:20:18 -0600, ChadDavis wrote:
>
>> I'm learning about various tools to monitor performance.  I'm reading
>> about vmstat right now, and it says that context switching, if very
>> high, can be an indicator of misbehaving hardware
>
> Hi ChadDavis, can you post more about this vmstat and context switching
> please? what the material you are reading say about them? I'm interested
> to know.
>

vmstat is a tool to measure computer resource usage.  I'm reading
about it in a book called Linux Administration Handbook.


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT), Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Alex PADOLY  wrote:
>> ...
>> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE,
>> I used LILO in kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
>> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
>> I don't know that I must choose.
>> ...
> 
> There are a big, big stack of reasons.  Once grub is installed, you can
> edit grub.conf and don't have to "re-install" it in the boot loader,

If it's installed in the master boot record, yes.  If Grub Version 2
is installed in a partition boot sector, I believe it reads a list of blocks,
just as LILO does.  I don't believe that this is the case with
Grub Version 1.  However, Grub Version 1 is no longer actively developed.
And both versions of Grub use unallocated sectors to store extra
code when they are installed in the master boot record.  This can
lead to conflicts with other programs trying to do the same thing
or backup / restore issues.  So there is a down side to this feature.

> This is an *enormous* stability advantage: various changes of system
> configuration and kernel changes can re-arrange your drives, and
> having to figure out which one gets the boot loader with the new
> ordering is incredibly painful.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the above.  With an appropriate
combination of symbolic links to block special files and direct
UUID or LABEL specifications, LILO can be made independent of driver
type (i.e. traditional IDE vs. libata SCSI emulation) and discover
order (i.e. /dev/sda vs. /dev/sdb).

> LILO's old limitations to having your "/boot" partition contained
> entirely in the first 8 Gig of disk was also a big issue with
> dual-boot or larger drived systems where a single "/" partition was
> preferable. Grub does not have this issue.

And LILO doesn't either.  Not anymore.  As long as the BIOS supports
EDD packet addressing, the old 8.4G limit is long gone.  For more
up-to-date information on LILO, see

   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm

LILO is not for everyone; but when properly installed and configured,
it meets my needs quite well; and I have found it very reliable.

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Re: Enough, enough

2011-07-04 Thread CamaleÃ³n

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:52:41 +, T o n g wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:33:30 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> 
>>> That's ... UNBELIEVABLE!  You are a woman? I thought you were a young
>>> MAN geek, full of energy
>>> and helpful !  You are so active in this list!   Thank you your help !
>> 
>> And I thought chauvinism was dead. . .
> 
> Ok everyone,
> 
> Let's not derail too far. Still remember OP question? it was "Squeeze:
> How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus".
> 
> Sorry CamaleÃ³n to have dragged you into this mess. My intention was good
> -- showing that how woman can also do admiringly well.

(...)

Don't worry.

I've been in mailing lists time enough to know how to deal with all kind 
of people, their reactions and also had to learn to read between lines... 
And while reading your comments -not just "yours" but all of you- I've 
been ROFL (+1 to briand for compare me with a Turing machine, that was 
funny X-) ).

What still amazes me is that people is surprised to see women 
participating in these mailing lists (in particular) and in FLOSS (in 
general).

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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery

2011-07-04 Thread consul tores

2011/7/4 yazicivo :
> Hi,
>
> I have an XFS partition, which is

I have never used XFS, but it could be helpfull!

If you use Lilo, then look for mbr copy.
If you are not using Lilo, testdisk could be the appropriated tool.
If nothing help, then you might use a hex editor as shawn mentioned.

I am assuming that you are playing on a copy of your disk, are you?

>
> 1) Mistakenly quick formatted as FAT16.
> 2) At first, I couldn't see in "fdisk -l" that it is set to FAT16, instead
> of Linux. Hence tried to fix it with xfs_recover. xfs_recover returned 0,
> and mount operation succeeded; but mounted fs size appeared as 20GB (despite
> it is 350GB) and almost every the file is missing.
> 3) Later set the type of /dev/sda1 (the only partition in /dev/sda) to
> Linux, re-run xfs_recover, but nothing changed.
>
> I open the system with Knoppix, and below are the details of the current
> status. I need urgent help to recover the files. I will be really, really
> appreciated for any help!
>
> Best.

You have testdisk on Knoppix, and as somebody said the change could
had happened on partitions table only.

>
> # fdisk -l
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x447c435f
>
>    Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *   1   38913   312568641   83  Linux
>
>
> # mount | grep /dev/sda1
> /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type xfs (rw,relatime,attr2,noquota)
>
>
> # df -h | grep /dev/sda1
> /dev/sda1  19G  4,2G   15G  23% /media/sda1


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Re: too much context switching

2011-07-04 Thread Dom


On 04/07/11 19:04, Camaleón wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:20:18 -0600, ChadDavis wrote:

(...)


When I execute the command:

vmstat 5 5

I get:


procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io-system-- cpu
r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy  id wa
2  0  0 5741808 573028 104062800   12242   53 1107  4  1 92  4
1  0  0 5747552 573036 103448800 022   14 2522  1  0 99  0
0  0  0 5747460 573060 103448800 032   18 2493  1  0 99  0
0  0  0  5747740 573096 1034488   00 057   72 4142  1  1 98  0
0  0  0 5747616 573144  1034468   00 061   20  687  1  0 99  0


Aren't those context switch number pretty high?  I realize this may be
all relative, but these numbers are WAY higher than I see in the
reference materials, so . . .


You mean the "cs" column?

sm01@stt008:~$ vmstat 5 5
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
  0  0  0 6261340  66836 108205200 937   38  176  1  0 98  0
  0  0  0 6261312  66836 108205200 014   73  119  0  0 100  0
  0  0  0 6261416  66836 108205200 058   75  108  0  0 100  0
  0  0  0 6261568  66836 108205200 025  111  180  0  0 100  0
  0  0  0 6261600  66836 108205200 0 0  101  169  0  0 100  0

Just to compare, I dunno what that means, neither if lower values are
better or worse nor why. Let's see what people has to say on this regard :-)


I get very differing figures for different machines. It seems to relate to CPU 
speed.

P4M 1600MHz
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 1  0   1716 270036 100064 39125600   16070  184  305 14  4 79  3
 0  0   1716 269688 100064 39125600 0 0  283  601 61  8 31  0
 0  0   1716 269736 100064 39125600 0 0  146  203  5  1 93  0
 0  0   1716 269768 100064 39125600 0 0  174  135 32  3 65  0
 0  1   1716 259792 100212 39778400  1332 0  325  737 35  5 30 30

Celeron M 500MHz
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 0  0   1356   6140 137712 138576002418   35   13  1  2 95  1
 1  0   1356   6900 137716 13857600 027   76   37  6  1 93  0
 0  0   1356   6908 137716 13858000 0 0   65   29  0  0 99  0
 0  0   1356   6916 137720 13858000 026   63   33  0  0 100  0
 0  0   1356   6916 137728 13858400 041   76   34  0  0 99  0

K7 XP3200+
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 0  0  34288 224640  53568 98039601   222   758  239  372 13  5 81  1
 1  0  34288 222540  53620 98236800 0   471 1157 1922  3  3 93  1
 1  0  34288 220308  53660 98457600 0   454 1137 1941  3  2 94  1
 0  0  34288 218200  53712 98656800 0   453 1143 1906  3  3 94  0
 2  0  34288 216092  53752 98873600 0   489 1138 1936  3  2 94  1
(This was when the system wasn't very busy. When busy, the cs figures were 
around 4000)

P1 MMX 166MHz
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy id wa
 0  0  0   1064   2820  1504800   210 9  119  220 20 24 32 24
 0  0  0   1068   2824  1504800 0 3   45   21  0  0 99  0
 0  0  0   1084   2824  1504800 0 0   43   16  0  0 100  0
 0  0  0   1104   2824  1504800 0 0   42   15  0  0 100  0
 0  0  0   1088   2824  1504800 0 0   43   18  0  0 100  0

I don't know if any of this helps.

Dom


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Re: Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound

2011-07-04 Thread Tomas Kral

Well, I have tried mplayer, gxine, .. not with much better results on
Squeeze.

Just discovered..

On Lenny I selected totem-xine alternative and it works nicely, there is
also alternative totem-gstreamer that has problems with DVD playback.

On Squeeze Totem i based on gstreamer and uses libdvdread, libdvdcss,
libdvdnav, and there is no totem-xine alternative as in Lenny. 

So far I Cannot play DVDs with totem on Squeeze.
If anybody can, could they please share their settings with us.

Many thanks in advance.

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-Original Message-
From: Camaleón 
Reply-to: Camaleón 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:02:28 +0200 (CEST)

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:31:59 +0200, Tomas Kral wrote:

> I have recently upgraded to Squeeze.
> I experience very slow playback of DVDs in Totem. I have a bad sound as
> well.
> It appears to be dropping some of the picture frames, and sound tracks,
> also
> it skips DVD intro and starts right at the DVD menu.
> 
> Films downloaded from the Internet play well in Totem, only films played
> back from original DVDs have these problems.

(...)

I don't know if this will be of any help but Google finds a report -quite 
similar to yours- from another user:

http://www.forumdebian.com.br/archive/index.php/thread-634.html

(it is written in Brazilian Portuguese but I think the logs can be easily 
understandable)

It seems the user is also facing that problem when using Totem, VLC and 
MPlayer to watch a comercial DVD in Debian Squeeze.

Given the shared similarities in both cases, I would try to watch another 
comercial DVD and see what happens. It can be a problem with a specific 
DVD media that uses a copy protection measure that makes the media player 
to have problems in decoding.

Also, testing with another multimedia player software won't hurt :-)

Greetings,

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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

2011-07-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Powell  wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT), Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Alex PADOLY  wrote:
>>> ...
>>> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE,
>>> I used LILO in kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
>>> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
>>> I don't know that I must choose.
>>> ...
>>
>> There are a big, big stack of reasons.  Once grub is installed, you can
>> edit grub.conf and don't have to "re-install" it in the boot loader,
>
> If it's installed in the master boot record, yes.  If Grub Version 2
> is installed in a partition boot sector, I believe it reads a list of blocks,
> just as LILO does.  I don't believe that this is the case with
> Grub Version 1.  However, Grub Version 1 is no longer actively developed.
> And both versions of Grub use unallocated sectors to store extra
> code when they are installed in the master boot record.  This can
> lead to conflicts with other programs trying to do the same thing
> or backup / restore issues.  So there is a down side to this feature.

If you've got other tools writing to the MBR for boot loading, you've
got other issues. Typically, that's used with "chain loading". Your
default OS is responsible for the MBR updates, and your alternative
OS's used to rely on their own  boot loaders (such as a grub or LILO
boot loader on a particular partition or non-standard boot drive, such
as detached storage.)

Chain loading used to be popular, partly because it left a default
Windows OS bootable and compatible with MS recovery tools.  (Been
there, done that, helped deal with thousands of dual-boot machines.)
Effective virtualization in the Windows world has eliminated much of
the desire for this, but it's still a potential concern. Most of the
same issues occur for LILO and grub for this approach, though.

>> This is an *enormous* stability advantage: various changes of system
>> configuration and kernel changes can re-arrange your drives, and
>> having to figure out which one gets the boot loader with the new
>> ordering is incredibly painful.
>
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the above.  With an appropriate
> combination of symbolic links to block special files and direct
> UUID or LABEL specifications, LILO can be made independent of driver
> type (i.e. traditional IDE vs. libata SCSI emulation) and discover
> order (i.e. /dev/sda vs. /dev/sdb).

Changing the kernel, or attaching bootable media, can change the
naming of block devices *unpredictably*. The use of uuid specific
device names is relatively new. I went through the pain when ID drives
suddenly switched from being named "/dev/hda", /dev/hdb", etc. to
suddenly being "/dev/sda", "/dev/sdb", etc. (Don't get me started on
Promise's RAID controllers.)  And /dev/sd* device ordering is
sensitive to kernel storage controller modules being statically
loaded, dynamically loaded, and in different booting order in the
BIOS. All the pre-planned symlink setups in the world will break when
/dev is now rebuilt by udev,

This way lies madness, and grub allows you to see and gracefully
manipulate that madness much more effectively and safely than LILO.

>> LILO's old limitations to having your "/boot" partition contained
>> entirely in the first 8 Gig of disk was also a big issue with
>> dual-boot or larger drived systems where a single "/" partition was
>> preferable. Grub does not have this issue.
>
> And LILO doesn't either.  Not anymore.  As long as the BIOS supports
> EDD packet addressing, the old 8.4G limit is long gone.  For more
> up-to-date information on LILO, see

Yup. Been there, done that, had to deal with old server class hardware
less than 2 years ago. While this is commonly available in even
vaguely modern motherboards, it is a serious crap shoot to rely on it
for ancient server systems, or without doing BIOS updates. Ever tried
to do BIOS updates on systems without Windows on them?

>   http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm
>
> LILO is not for everyone; but when properly installed and configured,
> it meets my needs quite well; and I have found it very reliable.

It has its uses, much as "su" has uses when "sudo" breaks down. But
it's no longer a good tool to recommend for "newbies".

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Re: Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound

2011-07-04 Thread Frank McCormick

*From*: Camaleón mailto:%3d%3fiso-8859-1%3fq%3fcamale%3df3n%3f%3d%20%3cnoela...@gmail.com%3e>>
*Reply-to*: Camaleón 
*To*: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
*Subject*: Re: Totem slow DVD playback and bad sound
*Date*: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:02:28 +0200 (CEST)

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:31:59 +0200, Tomas Kral wrote:

 I have recently upgraded to Squeeze.
 I experience very slow playback of DVDs in Totem. I have a bad sound as
 well.
 It appears to be dropping some of the picture frames, and sound tracks,
 also
 it skips DVD intro and starts right at the DVD menu.

 Films downloaded from the Internet play well in Totem, only films played
 back from original DVDs have these problems.

(...)

I don't know if this will be of any help but Google finds a report -quite
similar to yours- from another user:

http://www.forumdebian.com.br/archive/index.php/thread-634.html

(it is written in Brazilian Portuguese but I think the logs can be easily
understandable)

It seems the user is also facing that problem when using Totem, VLC and
MPlayer to watch a comercial DVD in Debian Squeeze.

Given the shared similarities in both cases, I would try to watch another
comercial DVD and see what happens. It can be a problem with a specific
DVD media that uses a copy protection measure that makes the media player
to have problems in decoding.

Also, testing with another multimedia player software won't hurt :-)

On 04/07/11 03:36 PM, Tomas Kral wrote:
> Well, I have tried mplayer, gxine, .. not with much better results on
> Squeeze.
>
> Just discovered..
>
> On Lenny I selected totem-xine alternative and it works nicely, there is
> also alternative totem-gstreamer that has problems with DVD playback.
>
> On Squeeze Totem is based on gstreamer and uses libdvdread, libdvdcss,
> libdvdnav, and there is no totem-xine alternative as in Lenny.
>
> So far I Cannot play DVDs with totem on Squeeze.
> If anybody can, could they please share their settings with us.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>

  For what it's worth---probably little. I have NEVER had good results
with Totem.
  My DVD player of choice is VLC or the smplayer front to mplayer.
  If you have all the needed libraries installed (think encryption) 
things shold go smoothly.

p.s. Please don't top post.

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Salut,

Votre annonce sur:

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Merci.


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mplayer and fvwm-crystal

2011-07-04 Thread lee

Hi,

what might be the reason for mplayer to come up without window
decorations on fvwm-crystal?  I've searched through the configuration
files of fvwm2 and didn't find an entry about it.  Is this a default or
is it something in my settings?  Or is it something that mplayer does?

There seems to be a choice between gmplayer and kmplayer in
fvwm-crystal. I've tried gmplayer, and it comes up with window
decorations.


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Re: too much context switching

2011-07-04 Thread ChadDavis

>
> Does the "context switching" means CPU switches it speed?
>

Context switching means that the CPU has switched the process that it
is executing.  The "context" is the process's execution context, I
believe, which contains it's execution stack, variables, etc.


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

2011-07-04 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2011-07-04 21:18 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT), Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Alex PADOLY  wrote:
>>> ...
>>> For a server that works permanently with DEBIAN SQUEEZE,
>>> I used LILO in kernel compilation and with and scsi isa card.
>>> Why many of LINUX distribution choose GRUB?
>>> I don't know that I must choose.
>>> ...
>> 
>> There are a big, big stack of reasons.  Once grub is installed, you can
>> edit grub.conf and don't have to "re-install" it in the boot loader,
>
> If it's installed in the master boot record, yes.  If Grub Version 2
> is installed in a partition boot sector, I believe it reads a list of blocks,
> just as LILO does.

Only for finding the bootloader itself (the embedded core.img), not for
accessing the grub.cfg file with the configuration.

> I don't believe that this is the case with Grub Version 1.

It is; the difference is that Grub2 embeds much more data, typically ~25
KiB, and thus it is not safe to embed it into a partition that contains
a filesystem.

> However, Grub Version 1 is no longer actively developed.
> And both versions of Grub use unallocated sectors to store extra
> code when they are installed in the master boot record.  This can
> lead to conflicts with other programs trying to do the same thing
> or backup / restore issues.  So there is a down side to this feature.

The Right Way™ to overcome these difficulties is to embed Grub into a
partition that does not contain any data.  With GPT you even have a
standard for that, the BIOS Boot partition.

Sven


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Re: Enough, enough

2011-07-04 Thread Go Linux

--- On Mon, 7/4/11, CamaleÃ³n  wrote:

> From: CamaleÃ³n 
> Subject: Re: Enough, enough
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 2:27 PM
> 
> What still amazes me is that people is surprised to see
> women 
> participating in these mailing lists (in particular) and in
> FLOSS (in 
> general).
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> -- 
> CamaleÃ³n
> 

Maybe we ought to start a "Linux Chicks" site to dispel some of the 
preconceptions (and chauvinism)!?  I don't have the expertise you have, 
CamaleÃ³n, but am not exactly a n00bie either. Been Linuxing for about 6 years 
and will never go back. 




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Re: Enough, enough

On Monday 04 July 2011 22:10:38 Go Linux wrote:
> Maybe we ought to start a "Linux Chicks" site

There is already a Linux Chicks mailing list, if it hasn't died from misuse.  
I didn't like it because I have been fighting throughout my now long life to 
be allowed just to be a person.  What on earth has gender got to do with it??  
Why does the fact that females are female need commenting on?

We are PEOPLE for goodness sake.

Lisi


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Re: Enough, enough

2011-07-04 Thread Robert P. J. Day

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Lisi wrote:

> On Monday 04 July 2011 22:10:38 Go Linux wrote:
> > Maybe we ought to start a "Linux Chicks" site
>
> There is already a Linux Chicks mailing list, if it hasn't died from
> misuse.  I didn't like it because I have been fighting throughout my
> now long life to be allowed just to be a person.  What on earth has
> gender got to do with it??  Why does the fact that females are
> female need commenting on?
>
> We are PEOPLE for goodness sake.

  http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html

i am in *such* trouble now, aren't i?

rday

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

On 04/07/2011 19:17, Joey Hess wrote:

That is unnecessarily complicated. You can instead use an @reboot
cron job, which can be set up using crontab -e by any user without
root. For example:

@reboot screen -d -m -S rtorrent rtorrent
OK, this sounds really interesting. I've always been thinking of crontab to trigger
things periodically. I wanted to ask you for a man page reference but found it before
this mail leave my computer: man 5 crontab.

You're right, it is far more simple: no root privileges required, no lock file, no su -,
no long script to debug. And rtorrent is is the kind of app that only needs to be started
once and live its life.

I can actually see two little cons:
1. no "easy way" to stop rtorrent, but that's not a big deal (any kill/pkill command
could do the job for example, just like my script does it),
2. since I like to track my scripts & configs, I massively use git and/or svn and I
really love the "one file per functionnality" way of manipulating things. Via crontab,
everything is just mixed up into /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ and this hard to
track and even (afaik) to maintain in a quite automatic way.

However, I will reconsider the use of my sys-v scripts (I wrote two others sys-v scripts
for svnserve (Subversion) & git-daemon).

But in the end, this is so sad! I learned many things while writing these scripts! (ok,
I'll have time for new things to learn!)

Thank you,
Nicolas

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Re: Urgent XFS Recovery


On 04/07/2011 21:35, consul tores wrote:

If you use Lilo, then look for mbr copy.
If you backed up your MBR, maybe it's time to recover it (on a copy hard drive as well) to 
restore the partition table (hope your xfs partition haven't changed too much).

Nicolas


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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT), Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Powell  wrote:
>> ...
>> both versions of Grub use unallocated sectors to store extra
>> code when they are installed in the master boot record.  This can
>> lead to conflicts with other programs trying to do the same thing
>> or backup / restore issues.  So there is a down side to this feature.
> 
> If you've got other tools writing to the MBR for boot loading, you've
> got other issues. Typically, that's used with "chain loading". Your
> default OS is responsible for the MBR updates, and your alternative
> OS's used to rely on their own  boot loaders (such as a grub or LILO
> boot loader on a particular partition or non-standard boot drive, such
> as detached storage.)

I'm not talking about multiple programs using the MBR.  I'm talking
about multiple programs trying to store data in unallocated sectors.
More importantly, I'm talking about whether or not disk backup
programs backup the unallocated sectors and whether or not the
restore software can or does restore those unallocated sectors.

I know what chain loading is, and it has nothing to do with
unallocated sectors.  The boot sector of a primary partition is
allocated, in the sense that it is the first sector of the partition.
But, say, LBA 1 (cylinder 0, head 0, sector 2) is usually an
unallocated sector.  It is usually not part of any partition,
nor is it the master boot record.  But both versions of Grub
want to write data to it.
>> 
>> ...
>> With an appropriate
>> combination of symbolic links to block special files and direct
>> UUID or LABEL specifications, LILO can be made independent of driver
>> type (i.e. traditional IDE vs. libata SCSI emulation) and discover
>> order (i.e. /dev/sda vs. /dev/sdb).
> 
> Changing the kernel, or attaching bootable media, can change the
> naming of block devices *unpredictably*. The use of uuid specific
> device names is relatively new. I went through the pain when ID drives
> suddenly switched from being named "/dev/hda", /dev/hdb", etc. to
> suddenly being "/dev/sda", "/dev/sdb", etc. (Don't get me started on
> Promise's RAID controllers.)  And /dev/sd* device ordering is
> sensitive to kernel storage controller modules being statically
> loaded, dynamically loaded, and in different booting order in the
> BIOS.

True.  But LILO can handle that when properly configured.
> 
> All the pre-planned symlink setups in the world will break when
> /dev is now rebuilt by udev,

It doesn't matter.  The symlinks I'm talking about are created by
udev.  And LILO takes advantage of them.
> 
> This way lies madness, and grub allows you to see and gracefully
> manipulate that madness much more effectively and safely than LILO.

I disagree.  Did you actually read the web page I mentioned earlier?
(http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm)  If not, I suggest that
you do so.  When configured as shown in that page, LILO can handle
all that stuff with no problems.
>> 
>> ..
>> LILO doesn't either.  Not anymore.  As long as the BIOS supports
>> EDD packet addressing, the old 8.4G limit is long gone.
> 
> Yup. Been there, done that, had to deal with old server class hardware
> less than 2 years ago. While this is commonly available in even
> vaguely modern motherboards, it is a serious crap shoot to rely on it
> for ancient server systems, or without doing BIOS updates. Ever tried
> to do BIOS updates on systems without Windows on them?

The LILO diagnostic diskette (referenced on the above-mentioned web
page) will tell you for sure if the system supports EDD packet addressing.
I have a very old laptop, an IBM ThinkPad 600, circa 1998, which is now
13 years old at the time of this writing, and its BIOS supports EDD
packet addressing.  Not that it would need to, since the entire hard
disk is only 4G in size, and is therefore fully addressable by the
legacy BIOS Int 13h, Function 02h.  Nevertheless, it does support EDD
packet addressing, which can address up to 2T (two terabytes).

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Re: GRUB OR LILO?

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> If it's installed in the master boot record, yes.  If Grub Version 2
>> is installed in a partition boot sector, I believe it reads a list of blocks,
>> just as LILO does.
> 
> Only for finding the bootloader itself (the embedded core.img), not for
> accessing the grub.cfg file with the configuration.

That's good to know.  Thanks.

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Re: Game for toddlers

On Monday 04 July 2011 21:51:20 T o n g wrote:
> Or, a bit OT, your *first hand experiences* of online games for toddlers
> please?

I used them with my granddaughter some years ago with great success.  The BBC 
had educational broadcasts for schools and had matching Internet pages, 
including several games.  I also found a few games on other educational 
sites.

I say "had" because this was ten years and more ago.  But I know they still 
have online stuff, to link with other children's programmes now.  And the 
quality is likely to have gone up rather than down.

She was convinced that the reason that my computer was so much fun was because 
it ran Linux; and put some effort in in the school playground to convert 
others!!

There are also games in Linux for children of all ages (including 68!!) that 
she enjoyed.  I remember the she particularly liked Frozen Bubble, but I 
think that was probably 5 or 6 on rather than 4.  She also liked Tuxpaint and 
was so pleased with her "picture" that she took a photo of it!  (It couldn't 
be saved, unfortunately.)  I simply don't remember the other games, but there 
were others.

But my experience suggests that what the games etc. _are_ is of secondary 
importance.  She had a Mac of her own with plenty of good children's software 
installed, but barely touched it.  The school complained that she barely 
looked at their Windows box(en).  The real difference wasn't that I ran 
Linux, when the others did not (though I am all in favour of brainwashing 
them young!!), but that we did it together.

My computers gained ascendancy in her enjoyment for 2 reasons, I think.  1) I 
did it *with* her, which actually led to her using the computer when I wasn't 
there, say because I was cooking supper.  I used still to pop my head in 
fairly frequently and have a word with her and look at what she was doing and 
discuss it, but also 2) I told her that she couldn't do any harm.  She could 
explore all she liked and there was no danger that she would cause problems.  
So that for that much the fact that it was Linux was indeed relevant.  I 
simply didn't tell her that root existed, let alone how to get at it.  

She wanted to do the games enough to learn the necessary motor skills.  But 
throughout it was done because she wanted to do it.  She didn't perceive my 
initial prods, which I kept very low key.

It was "Would you like to play a game on my computer?" not "Come on, time for 
the computer."

HTH - rather than bores you ;-) -
Lisi

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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze

2011-07-04 Thread Joey Hess

Nicolas Bercher wrote:
> I can actually see two little cons:
>  1. no "easy way" to stop rtorrent, but that's not a big deal (any
> kill/pkill command could do the job for example, just like my script
> does it),

Or screen -R and press Q or whatever it is.

>  2. since I like to track my scripts & configs, I massively use git
> and/or svn and I really love the "one file per functionnality" way
> of manipulating things.  Via crontab, everything is just mixed up
> into /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ and this hard to track and
> even (afaik) to maintain in a quite automatic way.

I keep my user crontabs in ~/.cron/$user/$hostname and only change those
files then feed to cron. This allows keeping them in git and eg, pushing
crontab changes out to machines.

-- 
see shy jo
#!/bin/sh
# Construct a crontab based on files in ~/.cron and load it into cron.
# The file ~/.cron/username/fqdn is appended to the common file in the same
# directory. Note that the common file may have "$HOME" in it, as in 
# "PATH=$HOME/bin". cron is too dumb to deal with that, so the expansion is
# handled by this script.
set -e

WARNING="# Automatically generated by loadcron; edit ~/.cron/ files instead."

if [ ! -z "`crontab -l`" ] && ! crontab -l | grep -q "$WARNING"; then
if [ "$1" != "-f" ]; then
echo "loadcron: Current crontab was not generated by loadcron; 
not changing." >&2
echo "loadcron: Use loadcron -f to override"
exit 1
else
crontab -l > $HOME/tmp/oldcrontab
echo "loadcron: Old crontab is backed up to 
$HOME/tmp/oldcrontab"
fi
fi

dir=$HOME/.cron/`whoami`
if [ -d "$dir" ]; then
hostfile="$dir/`hostname -f`"
(
echo "$WARNING"
echo
if [ -e "$dir/common" ]; then
echo "# From $dir/common:"
sed "s!\$HOME!$HOME!" < "$dir/common"
echo
fi
hostfile="$dir/`hostname -f`"
if [ -e "$hostfile" ]; then
echo "# From $hostfile:"
cat "$hostfile"
echo
fi
) | crontab -
fi


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Re: Game for toddlers

2011-07-04 Thread MRH


On 04/07/11 21:51, T o n g wrote:

Hi,

Do you have any *first hand experiences* of games available in Debian
that toddlers of 2 to 4 can enjoy?

Or, a bit OT, your *first hand experiences* of online games for toddlers
please?

I found my child extremely slow in picking up the idea of the games --
she is over 4 and can barely play with mouse, let alone keyboard.



gcompris.

Well, I let my children play it a while ago (ie 5 years ago, when the 
youngest was about 3-4) and there was quite a selection of puzzles, 
simple logic games, etc.


However I wouldn't make a child to play if she/he doesn't want to. 
Actually I'm happy when they (my children) like playing with toys or 
outside (and leave PC to me ;-) ).


When a bit older (7+) they enjoyed supertux and supertuxcart. Also some 
online games like 'club penguin', however this one requires an account, 
some reading / writing abilities.


Kind regards,
Michal
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Re: Start rtorrent on bootup in Squeeze