Re: this is a test

[Jo Galara]

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> this is just a test, please ignore it!
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Re: test

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this is just a test, please ignore it! ...

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Re: this is just a test, please ignore it!

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Re: LoXneRTbyKmq user?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Hello list

> Does somebody know what this "LoXneRTbyKmq" user in shadow file is?

> Thanks

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Hello,

maybe you looked within X and using a command like su -, sux, sudo or similar?

When I am using sux, then a new entry is created in /etc/shadow, which 
disappears after closing the console.

You can check it, if this entry is existent in a real shell (tty 1-6). Login 
as root, then examine again using vi. The entry should not be listed again.

Good luck!

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Re: Suggestion for a smartphone running natively LINUX? :)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello johhny_at_poland77,

Am 2011-03-14 15:24:28, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> not android!

:-D

> Debian, Fedora, or anything (natively = not in chroot)
> I'm not sure, but the Nokia N900 can run Debian
> http://openattitude.com/2010/03/19/easy-and-amazing-debian-for-the-n900/
> I just need Linux because i need: 
>  - iptables/netfilter

For what?

>  - an openvpn client

Available for android.

> - a good browser (google chrome with notscript+wot extension)

Already there

> - flash player!!!

Is aleady working

>  - "KISS" principle - so that it could be more secure if i only install what 
> i really want
>  - remote desktop client (to access windows machines remotely)

vnc?

Do you realy believe you can do this on a small 320x240 screen?

> it must not be a little distro, i need a big one (e.g.: Debian - the
> more eyes seeing it the better is it) - not a little one, that could
> contain a backdoor
> 
> or android is a good solution? can i run chrome on it? is it a "safe"
> distro?
> 
> important: i would only use the phone for surfing the net.

Waste of time

> thanks for any help regarding these questions.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack

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Re: LoXneRTbyKmq user?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Leandro DUTRA,

Am 2011-03-14 20:55:45, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> 2011/3/14 consul tores :
> > chkrootkit= nothing
> clamav?
> Of course, you can just remove it… but it would be a pity not to
> discover who or what has put it there.

What e puzzle is the part:

LoXneRTbyKmq
 ^
 RTbyK

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Questions on Installing fglrx

[Mathieu Malaterre]

Hi,

  I decided to use the fglrx driver on my linux squeeze system as the
3D seemed a bit slow on my machine. Here is my setup:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan
[Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]

  I followed the steps for squeeze from the page:
http://wiki.debian.org/fr/ATIProprietary (*)

  However glxinfo/glxgears/fglrxinfo keeps on failing with:

X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no
such operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
  Serial number of failed request:  15
  Current serial number in output stream:  15


  According to the log file I have the following errors:

$ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(EE) fglrx(0): ACPI: DRM connection failed
(EE) fglrx(0): ACPI: DRM connection failed
(EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
(EE) fglrx(0): XMM failed to open CMMQS connection.
(EE) fglrx(0): XMM failed to initialize
(EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"

And last but not least I cannot use aticonfig

$ aticonfig --initial
Found fglrx primary device section
 Unable to find any supported Screen sections

Thanks for any suggestions,
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(*)
$ apt-cache policy fglrx-modules-dkms
fglrx-modules-dkms:
  Installed: 1:10-9-3
  Candidate: 1:10-9-3
  Version table:
 1:11-2-1 0
100 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
 *** 1:10-9-3 0
500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/non-free amd64 Packages
200 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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Re: Manually creating a Debian boot sector Or a bootable Debian disk in Solaris for x86

[Joseph Lenox]

On 03/14/2011 04:00 PM, A E [Gmail] wrote:

Hello All,



So, the question is,

Does anyone know how to partition the 2nd HDD while in Solaris, 
install the Debian boot files and bare-bone kernel from boot.img.gz 
archive, initrd and vmlinuz on it so that when selected to boot from 
it, it boot into debian and then install whatever I want to install on it.


Thanks
AE


I've done some work with Solaris 10, trying to get rid of it for most of 
my workstations. I was unaware there was even a solaris 8 x86 install 
(I'd change the Solaris install to 10 as a matter of principle -- ZFS is 
that good).


Use the "format" command in Solaris to change the partition layout. You 
should be able to resize without much issue. There is a manpage for it. 
You'll also need to set the partition you create as bootable.


As for the rest of it, you should probably install GRUB onto the second 
HDD, and chainload into Solaris (if you can do that in BIOS), as GRUB 
wasn't used in Solaris 8 x86 (started getting used in 10 1/06).


I'd probably tarball a working Debian system's files and extract it into 
the secondary partition (created above... make sure support for whatever 
FS you format it to is compiled-in), then configure a custom-compiled 
GRUB to boot it. You'll have to do that by hand (see 
linuxfromscratch.org for some help).


But seriously, if you can go to Solaris 10, do so. S10 x86 is a heck of 
a lot easier to deal with, as it includes GRUB as its boot method. If 
you can grok Solaris 8 x86's bootloader config and get it to boot Linux, 
good luck.


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Re: sources.list

[Andrei Popescu]

On Lu, 14 mar 11, 19:25:43, Chris Brennan wrote:
> While I am not new to Linux/*BSD, I am new to the Debian way of things. What
> is the proper way of modifying /etc/apt/sources.list. As it stands, I am
> running with the basic sources.list and am curious as to what gets added
> where to sources.list?

Order matters if the package is the same version (put faster sources 
first), otherwise the format is quite free. I like to split it in small 
files (usually one per archive or suite) under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

sources.list(5) might also be worth reading.

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Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote:
> I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam
> or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> either.

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> > by the wise as false,
> > and by the rulers as useful.
> > 
> > — Lucius Annæus Seneca.
> > 
> > Terrorism, the new religion.

Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from 
other posts) ;)

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Re: Questions on Installing fglrx

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 15 mar 11, 09:06:18, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> 
> $ aticonfig --initial
> Found fglrx primary device section
>  Unable to find any supported Screen sections

Assuming you followed those steps *exactly* and there were no errors, 
remove xorg.conf and retry the 'aticonfig --initial'. BTW, that command 
needs root, because it must write a new xorg.conf.

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Re: Questions on Installing fglrx

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Andrei Popescu
 wrote:
> On Ma, 15 mar 11, 09:06:18, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>>
>> $ aticonfig --initial
>> Found fglrx primary device section
>>  Unable to find any supported Screen sections
>
> Assuming you followed those steps *exactly* and there were no errors,
> remove xorg.conf and retry the 'aticonfig --initial'. BTW, that command
> needs root, because it must write a new xorg.conf.
>

Actually the solution was simply to get the driver from unstable:

sudo apt-get install -t unstable  fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx
fglrx-modules-dkms

It did pulls lot of update xserver-* packages but glxinfo/glxgears are
 working very nicely.

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Re: Help needed for my first mail server

[Joe]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:13:57 -0500
Jason Hsu  wrote:

> This is my first time ever working with a mail server.  Thus, I don't
> know what I'm doing, but I'm trying to learn.  
> 
> All I'm trying to do right now is send and receive email messages
> through my free DynDNS account.  Let's say it's
> subdomain1.dyndns-free.com .
> 
> The OS is Debian Lenny.  The mail server is exim4.
> 
> Let's say that the host name listed in my /etc/hosts file is
> subdomain2.domain.com .
> 
> I have been able to run the exim4 configuration script by entering
> "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config".  However, I don't know what I'm
> supposed to enter for all those fields I'm asked about.  If I'm even
> slightly wrong on just one thing, my system won't work properly.
> 
> Do I need an MX hostname?  There are so many unknowns that I don't
> know where to begin.
> 

And that's the problem, nor do we. This isn't really a subject which
can be covered well by question and answer. The exim4 manual is
excellent, but it's a giant man page. It's great for looking up
details, but it's not a tutorial on email, or even exim4. Don't forget
later that exim4 does also have a man page. It won't be much use yet,
but some of those sendmail two- and three- letter commands are
extremely useful for troubleshooting.

Unfortunately, most email tutorials bring in clamav, spamassassin and
other stuff, which you may want later but only complicates the first
attempts to get SMTP working. Try this one:

http://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-debian-6-squeeze

 to begin with, but even that needs some changes. To receive external
email, it will also need to listen on the interface connected to the
router, not just 127.0.0.1 (though you do want that as well). You'll
also want the FQDN to be the domain name, without the computer name at
the beginning. You'll want Maildir format if you plan to use IMAP
with email clients, but it's probably a good idea anyway. There may be
other details I haven't noticed...

Once you've got the sending working (and check first using Mutt or mail
to a variety of email address styles to accounts on the machine itself,
then to outside addresses) then receiving is just a matter of piping
external email to the server. Forward port TCP/25 to the server, and do
the same at your domain host, DNYDNS in this case, by setting the MX
record to a *hostname* (an IP address will often work, but not for every
sender, and it's not relevant in your case anyway) which points to the A
record for your public IP address (your external public hostname for
remote purposes). Don't forget to configure the server firewall to allow
TCP/25 access on the INPUT chain. Check that Shields Up!! on
http://grc.com can see an open port 25. There are also free DNS and
email domain testing tools out there, which may help with getting the
DNS records as right as you can. Bookmark this page somewhere until you
know how to do it without looking it up:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/153119

Yes, I know it comes from the Dark Side, but it's explained clearly for
Microsoft users.

One of the problems of having a dynamic IP address is that you won't
be able to send email to everyone directly. Email blacklists tend to
contain most of the world's dynamically allocated address blocks, and
mail servers using them will refuse your connections. Unfortunately,
you are indistinguishable from a virus-infected home PC. I suspect the
only way you will get email out to many people is to use a trusted SMTP
server e.g. your ISP's server as smarthost. It's possible DYNDNS offer
use of a smarthost, I've never dealt with them. If need to do this, you
tell exim4 the name of the SMTP server, just as you would an email
client. If you select 'smarthost', it will ask different questions.

The best way to do this is to have a go and come back with specific
questions and error messages. Exim4 has a somewhat cryptic log,
(mainlog in /var/log/exim4) but it should help a lot. Oh, and remember
when you have port 25 open. the whole world will hammer on your door.
It's been a bit quieter in recent weeks, but I've had up to 5,000 bogus
SMTP connection attempts in a single day. I have very aggressive mail
server policies...

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Re: Suggestion for a smartphone running natively LINUX? :)

[Brad Alexander]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:10 PM, green  wrote:

> Brad Alexander wrote at 2011-03-14 18:02 -0500:
> > The N900 is indeed a native Linux phone. Maemo is based on Debian, and in
> > addition there is a Debian chroot, which uses the Debian repos.
>
> N900, native Linux?  Like, mainline Linux?  Compile-my-own-kernel Linux?
>  No.
> https://elektranox.org/n900/status/kernel.html
>

I guess that depends on your definition. No, the N900 is not 100% commodity
hardware, so there are specialized drivers which are not in the mainline
kernel (yet). By the same token, the N810 had its proprietary hardware bits.
And there is a Power User kernel available for those wishing to overclock
the n900. However, if your metric is being able to compile your own kernel
on the device, then no, it is not "native." My understanding from the OP's
question was native Linux being defined as "running Linux out of the box."
If this is incorrect, my apologies.

That said, Android also does not run mainline either. However, Maemo is far
closer to traditional Linux than Android, which is a java stack atop a
heavily modified Linux kernel. All (most?) apps run within this java
sandbox.



> I have an N810 and would like to run mainline Linux and Debian on it.
>  Hardware
> not supported by mainline, like the N900.  Lately I have tried using a
> chroot
> instead but I run into problems like cryptsetup does not work and
> rebuilding
> the kernel is… difficult, requiring a modified initfs.
>
> > The N900 (I have one and an N810) is a really rock-solid platform, though
> > I am not terribly enamored with Nokia. Maemo and the Nseries could have
> > ruled the mobile phone market, and been to market before the iphone. And
> > now their "alliance" with MS and the killing of symbian and all things
> > Linux...Grrr. But I digress.
>
> I use the N810 GPS a lot.  AGPS, a necessary feature for making N810's GPS
> usable, has been dropped by Nokia (along with other N810 things).
> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11798
>

Agreed. I abhor Nokia's attitude toward the Nseries maemo phones. I believe
I stated that in my original post. However, it is my opinion that it is the
closest to a mainline distribution phone-style device out there at the
current time. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Is Nokia perfect? Hell no! I
also used to have a Sharp Zaurus. Was it perfect? No. But it was a step in
the right direction, much as the Nseries was (before Nokia fell on its
collective sword).


> > Though you can, in fact, install a project called NITdroid on
> > the N900 (and possibly the N810).
>
> Not the N810.
> http://wiki.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N8x0
>

I stand corrected. I haven't done much with the N810 since getting the N900,
so I wasn't sure.

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Re: OT: servers vs. lightning and power outages

[Jerome BENOIT]

On 15/03/11 03:40, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Jerome BENOIT put forth on 3/14/2011 7:58 PM:


Just curious:
why the UPS must be at the bottom ?


Your attempt at being a smart ass aside,


I do not think so: I was really curious.
I plan to play with UPS soon.


 I'll answer your question.

Thanks a lot.

  The

answer, however, isn't the simple one you're expecting.


hence my question.



I stated bottom of the server rack explicitly because some SAs install
all of their UPS gear in a single dedicated rack, or two, or xx, and
feed PDUs in their server racks, often ignorantly over loading their UPS
output circuits in the process.  And yes, these SAs will load a 42U rack
bottom to top with UPS units.  I had to do this on one occasion myself
due to an ill conceived pre-existing equipment layout.  Thankfully the 4
Liebert 3000s I had to mount in the top of the UPS rack only weighed
about 80 lbs apiece.  The first one was tough, but the last 3 were
relatively easy.  Ego boost prize goes to the first OP to reply
correctly explaining why this was the case.

Unrelated to that incident, I prefer to install one properly sized UPS
(and battery packs if needed) in the bottom of each server rack.  There
are a few benefits to doing this:

1.  Cleaner cabling, less radiated EMI/RFI
2.  Shorter cable runs means less resistance, thus
 lowering the impedance load on the UPS, yielding slightly higher
 overall efficiency.
3.  The immense mass usually lowers the rack center of gravity
 sufficiently to eliminate the need to bolt the rack to the floor,
 while still allowing you to slide servers out for maintenance
 without tipping the rack over on yourself



Thanks,
Jerome


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Kop sprzedażowy

[Marta Wasielewska (Pomorskie)]

Dzień Dobry
Zwracam się z pytaniem, czy wyrażają Państwo zgodę
na przesłanie informacji o dwóch szkoleniach w Gdyni i Szczecinie:
KOP SPRZEDAŻOWY CZ.1 - Nowe zarządzanie sprzedażą, nowy rynek i nowi klienci 
(szkolenie dla kierujących sprzedażą)
KOP SPRZEDAŻOWY CZ.2 - Nowa sprzedaż i kreatywne podejście (szkolenie dla 
handlowców)
Jeżeli wyrażacie Państwo zgodę na przesłanie
informacji wystarczy kliknąć TUTAJ lub wysłać zwrotnego e-maila ze słowem 
"ZGODA"
Z poważaniem
Izabela Krawczyk
Kujawsko; Pomorskie Szkolenia
P.S.
Brak takiej odpowiedzi traktujemy jako odmowę
i informacja nie zostanie wysłana.

Re: Suggestion for a smartphone running natively LINUX? :)

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 03:24:28PM -0700, johhny_at_poland77 wrote:
>not android!
[cut]

>important: i would only use the phone for surfing the net.
>thanks for any help regarding these questions.

If you only need it for surfing the net, surely you don't need a phone?
Have you looked at PDAs instead? The Zaurus line from Sharp
are^H^H^Hwere quite
capable PDAs running full Linux. Most of the later models also come with
built-in wireless (which you'd need for network access on the move).



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Re: test

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <056228cfda2b460ded65a04bcfbd6...@mail.secure-mail.biz>, Walkman@secure-
mail.biz wrote:
>test

Please follow the Code of Conduct when posting to Debian mailing lists: 
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Particularly, this point:
Do not send test messages to determine whether your mail client is working.
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Re: this is a test

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4aae918bdce72015c775bea7fa8b8...@mail.secure-mail.biz>, Secure-Mail User 
wrote:
>this is just a test,
>please ignore it! 

Please follow the Code of Conduct when posting to Debian mailing lists: 
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Particularly, these points:
* Do not send test messages to determine whether your mail client is working.
* Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead.
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Re: this is just a test, please ignore it!

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , h...@lolfreak.net 
wrote:
>this is just a test, please ignore it! ...

From :
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[...]
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Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?

[Heddle Weaver]

On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote:
> > I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam
> > or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> > either.
>
> > > --
> > >
> > > Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
> > > by the wise as false,
> > > and by the rulers as useful.
> > >
> > > — Lucius Annæus Seneca.
> > >
> > > Terrorism, the new religion.
>
> Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from
> other posts) ;)
>

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei
Regards,

Weaver.

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Nick Douma]

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Hi,

On 03/14/2011 06:15 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote:
>> I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a
>> MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and
>> extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would
>> like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should
>> do it.
> 
> Why not keep the existing MIT license?

Because the GPL license is a better match for the project.

> Each file should contain a copyright notice for each entity that holds 
> copyright on it.  'Copyright 2011 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." 
> "' is a good example.  New source files will just 
> have 
> your copyright, unmodified source files will just have the original authors 
> copyright, modified source files will have both copyrights.
> 
> For clarity, it is recommended you include at least a reference to the GPL in 
> each file.  The whole text of the GPL need not be reproduced in each file.  
> If 
> the only modifications you make to a file are the GPL reference and original 
> author's copyright notice, you shouldn't add your copyright notice.
> 

So basically I add two lines for source files that I modified, and the
original MIT license after that?

Kind regards,

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Which distribution should I use based on my cpu's arch?

[Hongsheng Zhao]

Hi all

I've two computers and the cpu's informations are as follows:

Intel (R) Core (TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67 GHz

and

Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.5 GHz

I want to know Which arch-specific distributions should I use based on
my cpu's arch listed above, especially, i386, ia64, or amd64?

Besides, I've found that the ia64 distribution only have one DVD, why?
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Re: Which distribution should I use based on my cpu's arch?

[wolf python london]

On 15 March 2011 20:23, Hongsheng Zhao  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I've two computers and the cpu's informations are as follows:
>
> Intel (R) Core (TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67 GHz
>
> and
>
> Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.5 GHz
>
> I want to know Which arch-specific distributions should I use based on
> my cpu's arch listed above, especially, i386, ia64, or amd64?
>
i386 and amd64 both are ok , but do not choose ia64

> Besides, I've found that the ia64 distribution only have one DVD, why?
> Regards.
>
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Re: ClamAV update to 0.97

[D G Teed]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Camaleón  wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:20:44 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 17 February 2011 11:05:42 Camaleón wrote:
>
> >> > From what I understand, the clamav binaries are only updated in
> >> > stable (even in stable/volatile or stable-updates) when a new version
> >> > is needed in order to use the updated virus definitions, or for the
> >> > normal stable update criteria.
> >>
> >> Uh? Is that true? I thought the whole volatile repo was also handling
> >> "oldstable" packages? :-?
> >
> > I wasn't clear.  I mean that just because there is a new upstream
> > version of ClamAV, that doesn't mean it will get included in volatile.
> > It might be appropriate for volatile, but not all new upstream versions
> > are.
>
> Yes, I know that and I'm fine with that policy. What made me getting a
> bit nervous was not seeing much activity in volatile's mailing list.
>
> >> > However clamav (and more and more software) starts getting noisy as
> >> > soon as upstream provides a new version, for whatever reason.  Even
> >> > in A/V software, not every upgrade is appropriate for stable.
> >>
> >> Well, I don't read all and each of the ClamAV new released changelogs
> >> to see what has been patched, but being an AV I'd expect a new version
> >> corrects some severe bugs and not just "cosmetic" errors.
> >
> > While I don't think your expectation is well-founded, if it is the case
> > that the new version corrects some severe bugs, I would expect it not
> > only in lenny-volatile but also lenny-proposed-updates.  Maybe not
> > lenny-proposed- updates, but I think the RC-level bug fix policy in
> > oldstable is roughly the same as stable.
>
> Here is the changelog... you finally made me to read it ;-)
>
>
> http://git.clamav.net/gitweb?p=clamav-devel.git;a=blob_plain;f=ChangeLog;hb=clamav-0.97
>
> >From 0.96.5 (released on Tue Nov 30) to 0.97 (released on Mon Feb 7) I
> can't see any pacth that can be considered dangerous or remotely
> exploitable, so all seems okay. I'll patiently wait and see.
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
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>

What I'm seeing now puzzles me.  I'm considering the same situation, except
for squeeze.

The packages site says .97 is available in lenny-volatile.
But .97 is not showing up in squeeze-updates, which is supposed to replace
volatile.

I can understand the conservative path, but the whole point of the fork
in the tree is to give people the choice to run the more cutting edge
releases
of volatile style packages.

This should not require compiling source to achieve.  We choose Debian
over Slackware et. al. because we prefer to work within a package management
system.  Some of us are not maintaining hobby boxes.

When it comes to virus scanning, there is little point in getting an update
which
now supports last year's viruses.  We need to be current with this one for
the
package to have any value at all.

I'm OK with seeing the warning from ClamAV for 30 days or so, but if there
are
any massive glitches to be concerned about, they should show up within that
Window
and we should be safe to upgrade.

I question whether the squeeze-updates really works as a replacement for
volatile.
I don't see mention of it in the debian packages reports.  e.g.:

http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=clamav

--Donald

Re: Which distribution should I use based on my cpu's arch?

[Steve McIntyre]

Hongsheng Zhao wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I've two computers and the cpu's informations are as follows:
>
>Intel (R) Core (TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67 GHz
>
>and
>
>Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.5 GHz
>
>I want to know Which arch-specific distributions should I use based on
>my cpu's arch listed above, especially, i386, ia64, or amd64?

Core 2 and later is all 64-bit x86, aka amd64 in Debian. i386 will
also work, but won't be as effective on your hardware.

ia64 is itanium.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd

>Besides, I've found that the ia64 distribution only have one DVD, why?

We don't ship all of the ISOs for all architectures, for space reasons:

  http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-15 07:22:50 Nick Douma wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On 03/14/2011 06:15 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote:
>>> I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a
>>> MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and
>>> extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would
>>> like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should
>>> do it.
>> 
>> Why not keep the existing MIT license?
>
>Because the GPL license is a better match for the project.

How so?  Using the MIT license makes it easier for you to share changes with 
upstream.  It also makes it easier for users to switch between your fork and 
upstream.  It also gives your users the same freedoms 0-3 that the GPL does.

I'm a big fan of the GPL, especially version 3, and it's variants.  I just 
don't understand your exact motivations for breaking compatibility with the 
existing library.  What are you trying to allow / prevent?

>So basically I add two lines for source files that I modified,

Two things: Your copyright attribution, and a reference to the license (GPL).  
This may take more or less than two lines.

>and the
>original MIT license after that?

???
Please clarify.
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Re: Suggestion for a smartphone running natively LINUX? :)

[green]

Brad Alexander wrote at 2011-03-15 04:03 -0500:
> I guess that depends on your definition.

Absolutely.

> if your metric is being able to
> compile your own kernel on the device, then no, it is not "native." My
> understanding from the OP's question was native Linux being defined as
> "running Linux out of the box." If this is incorrect, my apologies.

Hmm, interesting.  Are we taking Linux out of its tar-box (works out-of-the-box 
on a x86 computer) or the device out of its cardboard-box (Android devices run 
Linux)?  Perhaps we need some new/other terminology.  :)

I purchased the N810 hoping naively that I could run mainline Linux on it 
eventually.  It does not and probably never will.  The N900, if that page I 
linked is correct, does not; it might never.  I don't want someone else to make 
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Re: Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC ...

[Albretch Mueller]

> True, this package has been split out from dpkg and dpkg-dev after the
> Lenny release.  What does "dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev" print?
~
$ dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  dpkg   1.15.8.9   Debian package management system
un  dpkg-dev(no description available)
~
 after going:
~
 dpkg --install dpkg-scanpackages/dpkg-dev_1.14.31_all.deb
~
# dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version
Description
+++---
ii  dpkg 1.15.8.9
Debian package management system
iU  dpkg-dev 1.14.31
Debian package development tools
~
# ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8199 Jan  5 10:10 /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
~
# which dpkg-scanpackages
/usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
~
 I am still getting dependency errors while trying to build my local
Package.gz file (for which I need )
~
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dpkg-dev:
 dpkg (1.15.8.9) breaks dpkg-dev (<< 1.15.8) and is installed.
  Version of dpkg-dev to be configured is 1.14.31.
dpkg: error processing dpkg-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dpkg-dev
~
 and the same error I had before
~
Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5
/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10
/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages line 8.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages line 8.
~
 I still see no way out of this dependency problems
~
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Re: Sip?

[green]

Dotan Cohen wrote at 2011-03-15 08:40 -0500:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 03:11, Rob Owens  wrote:
> > I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam
> > or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> > either.
> 
> The problem here is the use of the redirect service. I also never
> follow those links. Not only are they "blind links" masking the
> destination, but why add an unreliable extra link to the
> already-fragile chain of events that must transpire to access a
> webpage. What if tinyurl's server is down, or gets hacked, or goes out
> of business, or becomes malicious?

It is an extra link in the chain, but what if *any* site becomes malicious?

In case it matters, tinyurl.com does provide a preview feature:
http://tinyurl.com/preview.php

(I prefer real links myself also.)


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Re: Making netinst images

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Dan Serban wrote:
> > I'd like to make a small change to the netinst iso.
> > Simply changing the Install menu item to include a few other options passed
> > to the installer process.
> > 
> > Is there an easy way to achieve this?

Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Be aware: to make a working image using xorriso, you'll need a newer
> version of xorriso than is available in stable or testing.

xorriso may manipulate the original ISO image.
It can add or overwrite files, or rename them.
The image grows by a new directory tree and by the data of
newly inserted files. 

I just made a test with xorriso-1.0.4 and the Debian 6.0
amd64 netinst image.
The test brings a file from disk filesystem into the ISO image.
If the target address /my/iso_file already exists, then it
gets overwritten.

  xorriso -boot_image isolinux patch \
  -dev ./debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso \
  -map /tmp/some_file_on_disk /my/iso_file

I copied the image onto USB stick and CD.
Both boot to the Debian (ISOLINUX ?) install menu which allows to
enter the help menu.

The new file from disk had 610,984 bytes.
The image file grew by 2,637,824 bytes to 177,537,024.
(The file content, new directory tree, tree copy for partition 1,
 320 kB of padding.)


xorriso-1.0.4 is still on its way through the packaging process.
So i also tested with version 0.5.6 which is available in squeeze.
The image lost its fancy MBR partition table offset and the image
file is smaller than the announced partition size (known minor bug).

Nevertheless, the image boots from USB stick and CD.


Have a nice day :)

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automatic login at console with pam_usb - no X !!

[Walkman_]

I would like to automatic login when I put my USB stick in with no X installed.
I found solutions for gnome, kde, etc, but I cannot get it to work with console.
I tried to use mingetty with inittab settings like

2:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin username tty2

but it just log me in without authenticating. I dont want to do that.

When I plug in my USB I want 6 terminal console logging in, and when I
plug it out, I want them to log out. I know it is possible with PAM
modules, but I cant find anything with google. All I find is autologin
without password (I dont want to do that) or enabling screensaver.
How could I do this ?

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Nate Bargmann]

To the OP: IANAL, etc.

My question upon reading the initial post was whether the MIT license
allows changing the licensing terms?  Is it like the BSD no attribution
clause license in that respect?  If so, then licensing under the GPL3 is
likely legal.  If not, then that opens an entire can of legal worms.

I would be very careful to assure that whatever action the OP takes does
not result in legal action from the copyright holder/licensor.  This may
be a proper question for the Free Software Foundation.  Their advice
is likely more sound than the opinions you'd get from a user mailing
list (mine included).  IIRC, there is also a Debian-legal list that you
could bounce this idea off of.  Whatever you do, don't make your code
public until you believe you have a firm legal standing,

* On 2011 15 Mar 08:23 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On 2011-03-15 07:22:50 Nick Douma wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >On 03/14/2011 06:15 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote:
> >>> I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a
> >>> MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and
> >>> extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would
> >>> like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should
> >>> do it.
> >> 
> >> Why not keep the existing MIT license?
> >
> >Because the GPL license is a better match for the project.
> 
> How so?  Using the MIT license makes it easier for you to share changes with 
> upstream.  It also makes it easier for users to switch between your fork and 
> upstream.  It also gives your users the same freedoms 0-3 that the GPL does.
> 
> I'm a big fan of the GPL, especially version 3, and it's variants.  I just 
> don't understand your exact motivations for breaking compatibility with the 
> existing library.  What are you trying to allow / prevent?

I'm guessing here, but speaking only for myself, assuming the MIT
license is similar to the BSD no attribution clause license, unless the
modification is trivial, I don't wish to have my code used by a
proprietary interest without compensation.  Not that my code is world
class, mind you.  With the GPL that compensation exists in the form of
later contributors making their code available under the same terms I
provided it to them.  The BSD license does not provide the protect to
the code I wish to see it have so I can understand the OP's desire for
the same, assuming he has the same motivation.

- Nate >>

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Nick Douma]

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Hi,

On 03/15/2011 02:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> So basically I add two lines for source files that I modified,
> 
> Two things: Your copyright attribution, and a reference to the license (GPL). 
>  
> This may take more or less than two lines.
> 
>> and the
>> original MIT license after that?
> 
> ???
> Please clarify.

Basically for my own files:




for the original authors files:




for modified files:





Kind regards,

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Nick Douma]

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Hi,

On 03/15/2011 03:26 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> To the OP: IANAL, etc.
> 
> My question upon reading the initial post was whether the MIT license
> allows changing the licensing terms?  Is it like the BSD no attribution
> clause license in that respect?  If so, then licensing under the GPL3 is
> likely legal.  If not, then that opens an entire can of legal worms.
> 
> I would be very careful to assure that whatever action the OP takes does
> not result in legal action from the copyright holder/licensor.  This may
> be a proper question for the Free Software Foundation.  Their advice
> is likely more sound than the opinions you'd get from a user mailing
> list (mine included).  IIRC, there is also a Debian-legal list that you
> could bounce this idea off of.  Whatever you do, don't make your code
> public until you believe you have a firm legal standing,

Yes, I might just do that.

> 
> * On 2011 15 Mar 08:23 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On 2011-03-15 07:22:50 Nick Douma wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 03/14/2011 06:15 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote:
> I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a
> MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and
> extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would
> like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should
> do it.

 Why not keep the existing MIT license?
>>>
>>> Because the GPL license is a better match for the project.
>>
>> How so?  Using the MIT license makes it easier for you to share changes with 
>> upstream.  It also makes it easier for users to switch between your fork and 
>> upstream.  It also gives your users the same freedoms 0-3 that the GPL does.
>>
>> I'm a big fan of the GPL, especially version 3, and it's variants.  I just 
>> don't understand your exact motivations for breaking compatibility with the 
>> existing library.  What are you trying to allow / prevent?
> 
> I'm guessing here, but speaking only for myself, assuming the MIT
> license is similar to the BSD no attribution clause license, unless the
> modification is trivial, I don't wish to have my code used by a
> proprietary interest without compensation.  Not that my code is world
> class, mind you.  With the GPL that compensation exists in the form of
> later contributors making their code available under the same terms I
> provided it to them.  The BSD license does not provide the protect to
> the code I wish to see it have so I can understand the OP's desire for
> the same, assuming he has the same motivation.

This is basically my motivation as well. I developed my software for my
employer, but we want to release it to the public. We do want to avoid
having our code disappear into some other proprietary project, we want
to keep the code open. I don't feel that the MIT license can enforce that.

Kind regards,

Nick Douma
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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-15 09:26:32 Nate Bargmann wrote:
>My question upon reading the initial post was whether the MIT license
>allows changing the licensing terms?  Is it like the BSD no attribution
>clause license in that respect?  If so, then licensing under the GPL3 is
>likely legal.  If not, then that opens an entire can of legal worms.

Overview from the FSF:
"
X11 License

This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible 
with the GNU GPL. Older versions of XFree86 used the same license, and some of 
the current variants of XFree86 also do. Later versions of XFree86 are 
distributed under the XFree86 1.1 license.
This license is sometimes called the MIT license, but that term is misleading, 
since MIT has used many licenses for software.
"

"
Modified BSD license

This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising 
clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, 
compatible with the GNU GPL.
If you want a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, the 
modified BSD license is a reasonable choice. However, it is risky to recommend 
use of “the BSD license”, because confusion could easily occur and lead to use 
of the flawed original BSD license. To avoid this risk, you can suggest the 
X11 license instead. The X11 license and the revised BSD license are more or 
less equivalent.
This license is sometimes referred to as the 3-clause BSD license.
"

Both allow re-licensing.  The X11 license is explicit about this.  The 3-
clause (or 2-clause) BSD license is implicit about it.

>I'm guessing here, but speaking only for myself, assuming the MIT
>license is similar to the BSD no attribution clause license, unless the
>modification is trivial, I don't wish to have my code used by a
>proprietary interest without compensation.

While I'm of the same mind in some respects, I think you must consider the 
value your contributions vs. the value of being able to "play well" with 
upstream.  I'm sure there are non-trivial improvements to (e.g.) PostgreSQL 
that would be best released under a non-GPL's license so that they could be 
integrated and maintained along-side the core code.
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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-15 09:45:51 Nick Douma wrote:
>Basically for my own files:
>
>
>

Yes.

>for the original authors files:
>
>
>

Yes.  Although, you might also want to add the GPL header.  It's not necessary 
until you start modifying the file; but doing it now does no harm other than 
making the diff against upstream bigger.

>for modified files:
>
>
>
>

These should definitely include the GPL header.  The MIT header should be 
preceded with a note that earlier versions where under this license in their 
entirety but that current versions retain the notice only to satisfy the terms 
of the original license and redistribution of current versions has additional 
restrictions (the GPL, in specific).

IIRC, there's a file or two in the Linux kernel source that went 2-clause BSD 
-> GPLv2+ that establish a good model for how to clearly mention them both in 
the source itself.

Not including the GPL header could confuse the recipients into thinking that 
your changes to existing files are available under the MIT license.  I'm 
assuming that you don't want that to be the case.
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Re: networking err

[shawn wilson]

man, i need to remember that i can have different services configured on
different networks. i got bit by mysql doing this a month or so ago. per
this particular issue, ports.conf had my network's ip and not loopback. i'll
learn eventually :)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:14 AM, shawn wilson  wrote:

> ok, i've been trying to get apache up for a while now and been going around
> in circles and finally it comes down to this and i'm clueless what to google
> for and wtf might have caused this. i'm hoping that someone out there has
> seen something like this before because i'm about stumped:
>
> root@shawn-desktop:/etc/apache2# lsof -i :80
> COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE   DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
> apache2 28946 root4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> apache2 28969 www-data4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> apache2 28970 www-data4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> apache2 28971 www-data4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> apache2 28972 www-data4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> apache2 28973 www-data4u  IPv4 14498250  0t0  TCP
> shawn-desktop.local:www (LISTEN)
> root@shawn-desktop:/etc/apache2# nmap localhost
>
> Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2011-03-15 01:13 EDT
> Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1):
> Not shown: 990 closed ports
> PORT STATE SERVICE
> 22/tcp   open  ssh
> 53/tcp   open  domain
> 111/tcp  open  rpcbind
> 135/tcp  open  msrpc
> 139/tcp  open  netbios-ssn
> 445/tcp  open  microsoft-ds
> 901/tcp  open  samba-swat
> 1024/tcp open  kdm
> 3690/tcp open  svn
> 9050/tcp open  tor-socks
>
> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.48 seconds
> root@shawn-desktop:/etc/apache2# iptables -L
> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
>
> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
>
> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
> target prot opt source   destination
> root@shawn-desktop:/etc/apache2#
>
>

Re: Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC ...

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-03-15 14:29 +0100, Albretch Mueller wrote:

>> True, this package has been split out from dpkg and dpkg-dev after the
>> Lenny release.  What does "dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev" print?
> ~
> $ dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name   VersionDescription
> +++-==-==-
> ii  dpkg   1.15.8.9   Debian package management system
> un  dpkg-dev(no description available)
> ~
>  after going:
> ~
>  dpkg --install dpkg-scanpackages/dpkg-dev_1.14.31_all.deb

I suppose this gave you some error messages?

> # dpkg -l dpkg dpkg-dev
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name Version
> Description
> +++---
> ii  dpkg 1.15.8.9
> Debian package management system
> iU  dpkg-dev 1.14.31
> Debian package development tools

This combination does not work, and the package relationships declare
that, as can be seen in the error message when dpkg tries to configure
dpkg-dev:

> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dpkg-dev:
>  dpkg (1.15.8.9) breaks dpkg-dev (<< 1.15.8) and is installed.
>   Version of dpkg-dev to be configured is 1.14.31.

The reason for this is precisely the move of Dpkg.pm to libdpkg-perl in
dpkg version 1.15.8 which breaks older versions of dpkg-dev.

>  I still see no way out of this dependency problems

Install a newer dpkg-dev along with its dependencies.  And use apt to
manage packages, it will prevent you from installing broken package
combinations.

Sven


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Re: LoXneRTbyKmq user?

[consul tores]

2011/3/15 Hans-J. Ullrich :
>> Hello list
>
>> Does somebody know what this "LoXneRTbyKmq" user in shadow file is?
>
>> Thanks
>
>> --
>>           Consultores Agropecuarios.
>> Administracion, Produccion, Capacitacion.
>
> Hello,
>
> maybe you looked within X and using a command like su -, sux, sudo or similar?
>
> When I am using sux, then a new entry is created in /etc/shadow, which
> disappears after closing the console.
>
> You can check it, if this entry is existent in a real shell (tty 1-6). Login
> as root, then examine again using vi. The entry should not be listed again.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Hans

The user had disappeared, and investigation is showing nothing!
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Re: Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC ...

[shawn wilson]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Albretch Mueller  wrote:

> Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5
> /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10
> /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages line 8.
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages line 8.
> ~
>  I still see no way out of this dependency problems
> ~
>
here is that pm from a ubuntu box. it just exports some variables to
whatever 'use's it. you might have to modify it some. haven't looked much
into it. maybe look at the program you're trying to get working and see what
it's expecting and modify this to suit those needs. also, if you don't know
perl, that '1;' needs to be there:

root@shawn-desktop:/etc/apache2# cat /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg.pm
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program.  If not, see .

package Dpkg;

use strict;
use warnings;

# This module is the only one provided by dpkg and not dpkg-dev
#
# Don't add things here if you don't need them in dpkg itself.
# If you do, and also use the new stuff in dpkg-dev, you'll have to bump
# the dependency of dpkg-dev on dpkg.

use base qw(Exporter);
our @EXPORT = qw($version $progname $admindir $dpkglibdir $pkgdatadir);

our ($progname) = $0 =~ m#(?:.*/)?([^/]*)#;

# The following lines are automatically fixed at install time
our $version="1.15.5.6ubuntu2";
our $admindir="/var/lib/dpkg";
our $dpkglibdir="/usr/lib/dpkg";
our $pkgdatadir="/usr/share/dpkg";
$pkgdatadir = $ENV{DPKG_DATADIR} if defined $ENV{DPKG_DATADIR};

1;

Re: kde missing documentation

[Andreas Goesele]

"Dr. Ed Morbius"  writes:

> There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package
> owner of a specific file.
>
> Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a
> specific missing file, I'd go that route.

Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages
(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed
using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using
"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude
and I'm wondering why they are not.

Thanks again.

Andreas Gösele

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Miles Fidelman]

Nate Bargmann wrote:

To the OP: IANAL, etc.

My question upon reading the initial post was whether the MIT license
allows changing the licensing terms?  Is it like the BSD no attribution
clause license in that respect?  If so, then licensing under the GPL3 is
likely legal.  If not, then that opens an entire can of legal worms.
   


I'm assuming we're talking about the X11 license (there are several 
other licenses also sometimes called the "MIT License").  The X11 
license says:


--
Copyright (C)  by 

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE.
-

Essentially it says:
1. you can do anything you want with the code, but,
2. you don't own it, and you can't change the terms
3. you have to include the above in your code

Now... what you've developed sounds like it may be a "derivative work"
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work) - but note that (per the 
Copyright Office)


"To be copyrightable, a derivative work must be different enough from 
the original to be regarded as a "new work" or must contain a 
substantial amount of new material. Making minor changes or additions of 
little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify the work as a 
new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original 
and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and format, for 
example, are not copyrightable."


So, depending on whether or not there is sufficient modification and 
extension to qualify as a derivative work (a subjective decision):


a. if NOT: a simple statement that "this software is a modified and 
extended version of  which is Copyright  by <>, 
licensed under the following terms ... .


b. if YES:  then you need some kind of statement that includes:

- a statement that your program is a derivative of ..., licensed under, 
- a statement that modifications and extensions are copyright  
under terms of the GPL

- something about the combined work (this is where the language gets tricky)

You don't get to change the ownership or licensing terms of the original 
code.  You get to "use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, 
sublicense, and/or sell copies" as long as you include the original 
copyright and license statement.


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Re: Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC ...

[Albretch Mueller]

~
 I won't be anywhere near that box for a week. I will have to test it afterwards
~
 Thanks
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On-going problems with flashplugin for IW

[AG]

Hello all

In Iceape and other browsers (e.g. Opera) I can watch embedded 
(streaming?) videos on-line.  In Iceweasel/ Swiftfox I cannot.  Insterad 
I get a variation on this message: "Note: Either you do not have Adobe 
Flash Player installed on your computer or your Flash Version is 
outdated. You need Flash Player in order to view this item. Download 
Flash Player now. "


I have double-checked and I have the latest flashplugin-nonfree 
installed and seems to be accessible to the other browsers, so why 
doesn't IW "see" the plugin and use it as well?  In my 
~.mozilla/plugins/ directory the library libflashplayer.so is installed 
and executable and as far as I can tell, the plugins are registered with 
IW as seen by doing about:plugins in the address bar.


A search using Google only keeps showing me the same darn resolution - 
install the nonfree plugin and check that it is in the about:plugins.


Now what?  Any help on this please as it is puzzling and irritating.

Thanks

AG


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Re: kde missing documentation

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-15 11:48:48 Andreas Goesele wrote:
>"Dr. Ed Morbius"  writes:
>> There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package
>> owner of a specific file.
>> 
>> Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a
>> specific missing file, I'd go that route.
>
>Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages
>(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed
>using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using
>"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude
>and I'm wondering why they are not.

That's probably wrong, since apt-get and aptitude invoke dpkg to do the 
install for each package.  apt-get and aptitude are unable to install packages 
without using dpkg.
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Re: sources.list

[Freeman]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:09:41PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Freeman  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 04:59:11PM -0700, evenso wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 07:25:43PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> > > > While I am not new to Linux/*BSD, I am new to the Debian way of things.
> > What
> > > > is the proper way of modifying /etc/apt/sources.list. As it stands, I
> > am
> > > > running with the basic sources.list and am curious as to what gets
> > added
> > > > where to sources.list?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > P.S. If you're looking for fun and danger with your sources.list:
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/
> >
> >
> Thank you, this is actually what I was looking for (in a way). It gave me an
> idea of what I can/cannot do with sources.list.
> 

I don't know whether you've used apt in previous experience. 

If you are going to have a colorful sources list is a good idea to create
/etc/apt/apt.conf :

  APT::Default-Release "stable";

or whatever your default-release is.

Then you won't get potentially destructive upgrade suggestions from lines
left open on your sources.list .

Also, if you use aptitude, make sure preferences is set to *not* upgrade
automatically and to prompt in advance, so you can review what it intends to
do.

To specify a release to install from, check the man on the -t switch for apt
and aptitude.

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Re: Extending and releasing open source software

[Miles Fidelman]

If you nose around in packages.debian.org, you'll find various copyright 
statements for packages that include code from multiple sources.  Here's 
one example (for the Gimp):


The GIMP source is available at ftp.gimp.org:/pub/gimp.

Copyrights for GIMP-related packages:

gimp
-
Copyright (C) 1995 Spencer Kimball and Peter Mattis

The GIMP may be redistributed under the terms of the GNU GPL,
Version 2 or later, found on Debian systems in the file
/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL

The only exceptions are in in plug-ins/common/tiff.c and plug-ins/common/gif.c:

/*
** tifftopnm.c - converts a Tagged Image File to a portable anymap
**
** Derived by Jef Poskanzer from tif2ras.c, which is:
**
** Copyright (c) 1990 by Sun Microsystems, Inc.
**
** Author: Patrick J. Naughton
** naugh...@wind.sun.com
**
** Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
** documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted,
** provided that the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that
** both that copyright notice and this permission notice appear in
** supporting documentation.
**
** This file is provided AS IS with no warranties of any kind.  The author
** shall have no liability with respect to the infringement of copyrights,
** trade secrets or any patents by this file or any part thereof.  In no
** event will the author be liable for any lost revenue or profits or
** other special, indirect and consequential damages.
*/

/* GIF saving file filter for The GIMP version 1.3/1.4
 *
 *Copyright
 *- Adam D. Moss
 *- Peter Mattis
 *- Spencer Kimball
 *
 *  Based around original GIF code by David Koblas. */
/* Copyright notice for GIF code from which this plugin was long ago */
/* derived (David Koblas has granted permission to relicense):   */
/* +---+ */
/* | Copyright 1990, 1991, 1993, David Koblas.  (kob...@extra.com) | */
/* +---+ */


libgimp
---
The GIMP libraries may be redistributed under the terms of the GNU
LGPL, Version 2 or later, found on Debian systems in the file
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Re: On-going problems with flashplugin for IW

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-03-15, AG  wrote:
> Hello all
>
> In Iceape and other browsers (e.g. Opera) I can watch embedded 
> (streaming?) videos on-line.  In Iceweasel/ Swiftfox I cannot.  Insterad 
> I get a variation on this message: "Note: Either you do not have Adobe 
> Flash Player installed on your computer or your Flash Version is 
> outdated. You need Flash Player in order to view this item. Download 
> Flash Player now. "
>
> I have double-checked and I have the latest flashplugin-nonfree 
> installed and seems to be accessible to the other browsers, so why 
> doesn't IW "see" the plugin and use it as well?  In my 
> ~.mozilla/plugins/ directory the library libflashplayer.so is installed 

That may well be the problem. Installing flashplugin-nonfree makes the
plug-in available system-wide; having libflashplayer.so in
~/.mozilla/plugins/ means that you also have a personal copy.

> and executable and as far as I can tell, the plugins are registered with 
> IW as seen by doing about:plugins in the address bar.

Try removing your personal copy (or just start with a new ~/.mozilla to
experiment).

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Re: Selinux on a Squeeze Desktop

[Josep M. Gasso]

Hello Patrick.

Thanks for Your answers, the only doubts that I have now with selinux
are:

System update with "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade"
did You give any problems?

About backups, the only tool for backups is "star", seems that are not
inclosed in squeeze, there is more similar  tools that supports extended
attributes inclosed in squeeze?

If I want uninstall and delete selinux on squeeze, after delete
packages, is possible delete extended selinux attributes in files?

If I mount an ext3/ext4 usb hard disk, MUST I relabel this too for
extended attributes? Or can run without relabel too?

Thanks
Josep





El dom, 13-03-2011 a las 11:55 -0700, Patrick Bartek escribió:
> --- On Sun, 3/13/11, Josep M. Gasso  wrote:
> 
> > I would like ask if someone have in his home a
> > Desktop/Server machine
> > what runs selinux, my Debian Squeeze machine is always on
> > and is a
> > mailserver too.
> 
> I run Fedora.  (And have since FC3.)  SELinux is installed by default.  It 
> has problems.  Not many, but enough to be annoying and require "fixes.".  I 
> keep it in "Permissive" mode on my home system, which means it logs security 
> issues, but doesn't prevent them.  Uninstalling it is next to impossible, 
> since everything on the system has SELinux as a dependency.It (SELinux) 
> is one of the reasons I'm switching to Debian.  At least with Debian, I have 
> the OPTION not to install it.  I won't be.
> 
> > So, I would like if there is any desktop problems with
> > selinux, and if
> > speed is also affected.
> 
> The one problem that I've experienced with SELinux over several versions of 
> Fedora is SELinux will prevent updating (upgrading in Debian-speak) a newly 
> installed or upgraded (dist-upgrade in Debian) system.  However, if you 
> disable or put SELinux in permissive, after the system update, it no longer 
> has issues with additional updates.  It's a strange beast.
> 
> SELinux is fairly efficient.  I doubt that it would affect system performance 
> all that much.  Although, I've never run any tests.  But to run it 
> effectively, you need to be very knowlegeable in its use and configuration.  
> Installing and forgetting won't cut it.  Do the research.  Study the manuals. 
>  Etc.
> 
> > Any advice will be appreciated, I plan install selinux in a
> > few days.
> 
> I consider SELinux a waste on a "home" system.  SELinux is like suspenders:  
> If you have a good belt, you don't need the suspenders.  However, in a 
> commercial/business, workstation/server set up, and you're the security guy, 
> I would run it.  Even with the problems: better safe than sorry.  Or fired. 
> ;-)
> 
> Before doing the "real" install, I suggest you use a "test" system first.  
> Like I said above:  SELinux is pervasive and unistalling, if it doesn't suit 
> you, might be a problem, or impossible.  A dual boot is best, but a VM would 
> be good enough, but not perfect, for an evaluation.
> 
> FYI:  I'm not an SELinux "expert."  I took one look at the "official" 
> administrative manual, and said "No, thanks."  What would you expect from 
> something that was developed by a insanely paranoid government agency? ;-)
> 
> B
> 
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Re: Selinux on a Squeeze Desktop

[Josep M. Gasso]

Hello Shawn

Thanks for Your answers,I installed selinux on a virtual machine, and ok
for first steps...but not with all apps that I have installed in my
host.

The only doubts that I have now with selinux are:

System update with "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade"
did You give any problems?

About backups, the only tool for backups is "star", seems that are not
inclosed in squeeze, there is more similar  tools that supports extended
attributes inclosed in squeeze?

If I want uninstall and delete selinux on squeeze, after delete
packages, is possible delete extended selinux attributes in files?

If I mount an ext3/ext4 usb hard disk, MUST I relabel this too for
extended attributes? Or can run without relabel too?

Thanks
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Re: Security of the browsers

[Josep M. Gasso]

Hello.

These is one of the reasons for what I want experiment with selinux in
my desktop machine:)

Josep

El dom, 13-03-2011 a las 19:30 -0400, Dan escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been using Ubuntu for a while for my desktop and I am planning
> to come back to Debian stable because there is now a two-year release
> cycle which is more reasonable.
> 
> My worried is related with the security of the browser. The Ubuntu
> approach is to use the latest version of mozilla or the chromium
> project.
> 
> The Debian approach is to freeze the version and apply themselves the
> patches. In my opinion this is worse because the mozilla/chromium
> project should know better the problems/security issues related with
> their browsers right?
> 
> Can I consider these frozen versions secure enough.
> 
> How secure is the chromium browser in Debian? It is an and old release the 6.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> 



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Re: OT: servers vs. lightning and power outages

[Sascha Silbe]

Excerpts from Jason Hsu's message of Mon Mar 14 19:31:00 +0100 2011:

> How do you protect servers from lightning? [...]

Others already answered this, but I'd like to stress the fact that
you'll need proper protection on _all_ levels. Surge protectors will
only do what they're intended to do if coarse protection does its job as
well and so on. Match the ("input") ratings of each protector to the
("output") ratings (response time etc.) of the previous protection
level. Make sure _all_ entry points to the house are protected
(including telephone line, broadband cable, garage lighting, etc.).
A proper ground system is of equal importance. Jim Gettys can tell [1].

HTH.

Sascha

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Re: kde missing documentation

[Andreas Goesele]

"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  writes:

> On 2011-03-15 11:48:48 Andreas Goesele wrote:
>>"Dr. Ed Morbius"  writes:
>>> There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package
>>> owner of a specific file.
>>> 
>>> Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a
>>> specific missing file, I'd go that route.
>>
>>Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages
>>(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed
>>using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using
>>"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude
>>and I'm wondering why they are not.
>
> That's probably wrong, since apt-get and aptitude invoke dpkg to do
> the install for each package.  apt-get and aptitude are unable to
> install packages without using dpkg.

Well, let's take the example of konqueror:

Start-Date: 2011-02-07  22:14:36
Commandline: apt-get --no-install-recommends install konqueror
Install: libkonqsidebarplugin4a:i386 (4.4.5-2, automatic), kdebase-bin:i386 
(4.4.5-2, automatic), konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2)
End-Date: 2011-02-07  22:14:47

(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror is empty)

Start-Date: 2011-03-15  21:12:58
Commandline: apt-get --purge remove konqueror   
Purge: konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2)
End-Date: 2011-03-15  21:13:03

Start-Date: 2011-03-15  21:13:54
Commandline: apt-get --reinstall --no-install-recommends install konqueror
Install: konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2)
End-Date: 2011-03-15  21:14:01

(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror remains empty)

dpkg -i konqueror_4%3a4.4.5-2_i386.deb

(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror full of stuff)

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Re: kde missing documentation

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On 2011-03-15 15:36:34 Andreas Goesele wrote:
>"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  writes:
>> On 2011-03-15 11:48:48 Andreas Goesele wrote:
>>>"Dr. Ed Morbius"  writes:
 There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package
 owner of a specific file.
 
 Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a
 specific missing file, I'd go that route.
>>>
>>>Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages
>>>(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed
>>>using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using
>>>"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude
>>>and I'm wondering why they are not.
>>>
>> That's probably wrong, since apt-get and aptitude invoke dpkg to do
>> the install for each package.  apt-get and aptitude are unable to
>> install packages without using dpkg.
>
>Start-Date: 2011-03-15  21:13:54
>Commandline: apt-get --reinstall --no-install-recommends install konqueror
>Install: konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2)
>End-Date: 2011-03-15  21:14:01
>
>(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror remains empty)
>
>dpkg -i konqueror_4%3a4.4.5-2_i386.deb
>
>(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror full of stuff)

(I still don't believe you; I've never seen APT configured to do that, 
although it is possible, I think.)

Please post the output of (apt-config dump | grep -i dpkg).  Here's mine for 
reference:
Dir::State::status "/var/lib/dpkg/status";
Dir::Bin::dpkg "/usr/bin/dpkg";
Dir::Ignore-Files-Silently:: "\.dpkg-[a-z]+$";
DPkg "";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs "";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";
DPkg::Tools "";
DPkg::Tools::Options "";
DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs "";
DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs::Version "2";
DPkg::Post-Invoke "";
DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --
generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi";
DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -d /var/lib/update-notifier ]; then touch 
/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp; fi; if [ -e /var/lib/update-
notifier/updates-available ]; then echo > /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-
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Re: OT: servers vs. lightning and power outages

[Joe]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:43:20 +0100
Sascha Silbe  wrote:

> Excerpts from Jason Hsu's message of Mon Mar 14 19:31:00 +0100 2011:
> 
> > How do you protect servers from lightning? [...]
> 
> Others already answered this, but I'd like to stress the fact that
> you'll need proper protection on _all_ levels. Surge protectors will
> only do what they're intended to do if coarse protection does its job
> as well and so on. Match the ("input") ratings of each protector to
> the ("output") ratings (response time etc.) of the previous protection
> level. Make sure _all_ entry points to the house are protected
> (including telephone line, broadband cable, garage lighting, etc.).
> A proper ground system is of equal importance. Jim Gettys can tell
> [1].
> 

And you can still only do so much. If you get a close hit, nothing on
Earth will protect electrical equipment. Lightning does not obey Ohms'
Law, but does exotic things with voltage gradients, and will leave a
conductor when it gets bored with following it, through insulation if
necessary.

The chimney of the house next door to me was hit by a minor strike,
only a few bricks loosened. I had a TV aerial in my loft, and some
damaged roof felt showed where some of the power took a slight detour.
The front element of the aerial was bent back at 45 degrees, but there
was no other damage. The body of the coax connector of the TV set was
*not* *there*. The shell was there, and the cable ended neatly, but
there was no trace of the connector body. The coax plug was completely
unmarked.

The TV tuner and power supply were damaged. Everything in the house
which was turned on was damaged, though apparently it couldn't jump
open switches. *Neon* *bulbs* were blown. Unfortunately, I was up a
ladder at the time, about two feet from a light bulb which was also on,
and which burned very brightly for a few microseconds before expiring
loudly.

One of the power amps of my tuner-amplifier did not work, and on
investigation, I found that a speaker cable crossed the TV aerial cable,
and by looking very carefully, I could see a tiny mark on both where
they crossed.

So place your trust in UPSes if you will, but look carefully at cable
crossings, where your expensive lightning arresters can be bypassed.
Don't forget the DSL line: don't assume your router will selflessly
protect the server by vaporising. Most of my lightning damage (two
telephone answering machines, apart from the above incident) has arrived
by telephone line.

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Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?

[Heddle Weaver]

On 15 March 2011 23:40, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 03:11, Rob Owens  wrote:
> > I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam
> > or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> > either.
> >
>
> The problem here is the use of the redirect service. I also never
> follow those links. Not only are they "blind links" masking the
> destination, but why add an unreliable extra link to the
> already-fragile chain of events that must transpire to access a
> webpage. What if tinyurl's server is down, or gets hacked, or goes out
> of business, or becomes malicious?
>

I only use the service because it saves even short links like this one from
getting broken by MUA character limits:
http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/1/29/4737705.html
And I only use tinyurl because it's stable, unlike the .ly extensions which
are hosted in Libya, for example. Governments appear to be taking down sites
more than the average cracker or script-kiddie does these days. I pretty
much place them in the same category.

What if? What if the U.S. government takes down another 84,000 sites by
mistake, as it did recently? Tinyurl wasn't one of them.

Still and all, before I'm guilty of contributing to yet another off-topic
thread, sorry for disturbing everybody's day.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Re: kde missing documentation

[Andreas Goesele]

"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  writes:

> On 2011-03-15 15:36:34 Andreas Goesele wrote:

>>Start-Date: 2011-03-15  21:13:54
>>Commandline: apt-get --reinstall --no-install-recommends install konqueror
>>Install: konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2)
>>End-Date: 2011-03-15  21:14:01
>>
>>(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror remains empty)
>>
>>dpkg -i konqueror_4%3a4.4.5-2_i386.deb
>>
>>(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror full of stuff)
>
> (I still don't believe you; I've never seen APT configured to do that, 
> although it is possible, I think.)
>
> Please post the output of (apt-config dump | grep -i dpkg).  Here's
> mine for reference:

Thanks a lot. This solved my problem.

The last line in my case is:

DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -x /usr/sbin/localepurge ] && [ $(ps w -p $PPID | 
grep -c remove) != 1 ]; then /usr/sbin/localepurge; else exit 0; fi";

I have localepurge installed and use a different locale from "en". I
always thought it was locale-related but couldn't figure out when and
how apt-get or aptitude would take the locale into account. Now I
know. Thanks again.

Andreas Gösele

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Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

[s. keeling]

Jerome BENOIT :
>  On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote:
> > * amd64 
> > * armel 
> > * kfreebsd-i386
> >   
> > * kfreebsd-amd64
> >   
> > * i386 
> > * ia64 
> > * mips 
> > * mipsel 
> > * powerpc 
> > * sparc 
> > * s390 
> > * source 
> > * multi-arch
> >   
> >
> > which version for intel chipset 64bit?
> 
> 
>  amd64

Allow me to point out all the ways my 64 bit (Turion) HP Pavilion dv4
laptop is failing me.  Current CPU temp 82 C!  I rest my case.

Grr.


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Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 15 March 2011 12:36:52 Heddle Weaver wrote:
> On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> > On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote:
> > > I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always spam
> > > or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> > > either.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
> > > > by the wise as false,
> > > > and by the rulers as useful.
> > > >
> > > > — Lucius Annæus Seneca.
> > > >
> > > > Terrorism, the new religion.
> >
> > Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from
> > other posts) ;)
>
> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei

I actually found it not only on topic, but very interesting.  Thanks for the 
heads-up!

Lisi


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Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 15 March 2011 23:51:48 s. keeling wrote:
> Jerome BENOIT :
> >  On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote:

What's the of an answer out of topic so late?
Thierry


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evince print settings

[Andreas Goesele]

Hi,

starting the print window there is under "Page Handling" a setting for
"Page Scaling". Per default that's "None". I would like to set that
permanently to "Fit to Printable Area". How could I do that? (As it is
now I have to set it everytime a want to print anew.)

Many thanks advance!

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Re: Not spam (was Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?)

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Gregory Seidman wrote:

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:08:20AM +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:

With reference to some of the posts I have seen here lately, this looks
interesting: *http://tinyurl.com/4syb4j9
*Regards,*


I usually add preview to the link as follows:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4syb4j9

It works fine for tinyurl, don't know if other URL shorteners have this 
feature.


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Re: Help needed for my first mail server

[Stan Hoeppner]

Jason Hsu put forth on 3/15/2011 1:13 AM:
> This is my first time ever working with a mail server.  Thus, I don't know 
> what I'm doing, but I'm trying to learn.  

This is bad because you're trying to do it with DynDNS.  This prevents
you from being able to setup a standard internet mail host with MX.

> All I'm trying to do right now is send and receive email messages through my 
> free DynDNS account.  Let's say it's subdomain1.dyndns-free.com .

Docs for this are available at dyndns.org.  You will need to use their
mail forwarder.

> The OS is Debian Lenny.  The mail server is exim4.

The OS/smtpd don't matter much here, as long as you know what parameters
to configure.

> Let's say that the host name listed in my /etc/hosts file is 
> subdomain2.domain.com .

The only thing that matters is that this hostname match the Exim config
for "local domains" and that dyndns be told this is the hostname to
forward mail to.

> I have been able to run the exim4 configuration script by entering 
> "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config".  However, I don't know what I'm supposed to 
> enter for all those fields I'm asked about.  If I'm even slightly wrong on 
> just one thing, my system won't work properly.

I can't help you here as I'm a Postfix user, not Exim.

> Do I need an MX hostname?  There are so many unknowns that I don't know where 
> to begin.

MX records are for second level domains, thus you can't us an MX record
in this case as your system is a third level domain.  The MX records in
your case are for dyndns.org, your parent domain.


Now, all of that said, there is a way you can set this up to work with a
real domain and MX record so mail is delivered directly to your server.
 To do this, register a domain name, your-domain.com, with any
registrar, and setup a DNS hosting account (most registrars offer DNS
hosting today, as well as mail, web, etc).  Create a DNS MX record
pointing to subdomain1.dyndns-free.com, and configure Exim to accept
mail for the domain "your-domain.com".

Now, any time anyone sends mail to your-domain.com it'll go directly to
your Exim host.  Depending on which domain you register, it'll cost you
anywhere from $5-$15 USD/year for a cheap domain.  I pay ~$15 USD/year
for my vanity domain.  I've had it since 2002.

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Re: unable to install nfs-kernel-server

[Liam Cassidey]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Tom H  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Liam Cassidey 
> wrote:
> >
> > ii  portmap   6.0.0-2   RPC port
> mapper
>
> Remembered the above when I sent my last post and thought that I might
> have gone down an incorrect path.
>
> I've just tried to install pcbind and it conflicts with portmap...
>
>
> --
>

Yep, I'm definitely using portmap. It's installed and running fine.

Looking for a parallel log viewer

[Malte Forkel]

Hello,

I'm looking for a tool that can display multiple log files and scroll
them based on their timestamps in a synchronized fashion.

I have three interacting applications, each writing its own log file. I
would like to be able to look at corresponding time intervals in each of
those log files in parallel. If I use three editor windows, I have to
manually scroll each of them, which is tedious and error prone. At
least, when I do it :-).

To make things a little more interesting, each log is using its own
timestamp format. I can't modify those formats. So the viewer's
timestamp reader would have to be configurable. All timestamps have a
resolution of one second or better.

Could anyone point me to a tool that can (be forced to) do what I want?

Thanks
Malte


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Re: Looking for a parallel log viewer

[shawn wilson]

Look at splunk. It's pay if you have a high quantity of data though.

Failed to open the X11 display!

[Bernard Fay]

Hello everyone,

>From my workstation (Ubuntu 10.04.2), I try to start an application running
on my server but this application requires X Window System.  My server does
not have a GUI. So I did  "ssh -X ip_address_of_server".   The server is
Debian 6.0 (Squeeze).  When I start the application and then I have "Failed
to open the X11 display!" .

I use to do it on other system without problem.  What is missing here?

Any cue will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bernard

Re: Failed to open the X11 display!

[Bernard Fay]

I compared the sshd_config files from two servers, one from which I can
start an application requiring a GUI and the one from my problematic
server.  Both are identical.

I am even more puzzled now as I would expect at least one diffirence.

Thanks,


On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Bernard Fay  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> From my workstation (Ubuntu 10.04.2), I try to start an application running
> on my server but this application requires X Window System.  My server does
> not have a GUI. So I did  "ssh -X ip_address_of_server".   The server is
> Debian 6.0 (Squeeze).  When I start the application and then I have "Failed
> to open the X11 display!" .
>
> I use to do it on other system without problem.  What is missing here?
>
> Any cue will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bernard
>

Re: Looking for a parallel log viewer

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Malte Forkel wrote:
>I'm looking for a tool that can display multiple log files and scroll
>them based on their timestamps in a synchronized fashion.

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Re: Help needed for my first mail server

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

MX records are for second level domains, thus you can't us an MX record
in this case as your system is a third level domain.  The MX records in
your case are for dyndns.org, your parent domain.


Rubbish, you can have an MX at any level you like.

What is important is that the MX record has a corresponding A record as 
well.


Also, as has been mentioned already, it is highly advisable to have rDNS 
 {reverse DNS) -- without it, you should be using smart host, ie your 
ISP as an upstream sender.


Using dynamic IP means that you can't properly run your own mail server 
for both sending and receiving directly.


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Re: Selinux on a Squeeze Desktop

[Patrick Bartek]

--- On Tue, 3/15/11, Josep M. Gasso  wrote:

> Hello Patrick.
> 
> Thanks for Your answers, the only doubts that I have now
> with selinux
> are:
> 
> System update with "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "aptitude
> full-upgrade"
> did You give any problems?

With SELinux, you never know until you try.  Since I run it in "Permissive 
Mode" on my Fedora 12 home desktop, it doesn't do anything except log 
exceptions.

> About backups, the only tool for backups is "star", seems
> that are not
> inclosed in squeeze, there is more similar  tools that
> supports extended
> attributes inclosed in squeeze?

Can't help with star.  Not familiar with it.  I use rsync with Fedora, and will 
use it with Debian 6 once it's all set up.

> If I want uninstall and delete selinux on squeeze, after
> delete
> packages, is possible delete extended selinux attributes in
> files?

Like I said in my original reply, I've never been able to remove SELinux off a 
Fedora system without destroying the system itself.  Don't know if it is 
possible to remove it rom a Debian system once it's been installed.

> If I mount an ext3/ext4 usb hard disk, MUST I relabel this
> too for
> extended attributes? Or can run without relabel too?

Can't help you.  Never needed to do that.  Try it.  It either works or it 
doesn't.

B


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Re: Help needed for my first mail server

[Stan Hoeppner]

Andrew McGlashan put forth on 3/15/2011 8:35 PM:
> Hi,
> 
> Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> MX records are for second level domains, thus you can't us an MX record
>> in this case as your system is a third level domain.  The MX records in
>> your case are for dyndns.org, your parent domain.
> 
> Rubbish, you can have an MX at any level you like.

Andrew, you're not thinking in the context of the thread.  In response
to your out of thread thinking, sure, a DNS admin can create a fully
delegated sub zone to allow an MX for that sub zone.

What you've missed here is that the OP doesn't control his DNS.  He's
using the freebie DynDNS service, where there is no possibility of sub
zone delegation.  Therefore, to receive direct SMTP mail, he must use
the DynDNS paid service, another paid dynamic DNS service such as TZO,
or stick with free DynDNS and register his own domain as I suggested,
which is the cheapest solution, $5-20/year USD.

> What is important is that the MX record has a corresponding A record as
> well.

A static A record isn't required, and he has an A record already
provided by DynDNS.  If he registers his own domain, he'd simply have
the registrar create an MX record pointing to the DynDNS hostname name
assigned to him, such as:

  IN  MX 10  jason-hsu.dyndns-free.com.

The DNS server that hosts the SOA and MX for his domain isn't required
to also host the A record for the target of the MX entry, as long as an
A record exists for that FQDN on a DNS server somewhere on the net.

> Also, as has been mentioned already, it is highly advisable to have rDNS
>  {reverse DNS) -- without it, you should be using smart host, ie your
> ISP as an upstream sender.

Again, he's using DynDNS with a dynamic broadband IP.  He can't get
custom rDNS.  But this doesn't matter as he can setup relay via SMTP
auth to his ISPs relays.

> Using dynamic IP means that you can't properly run your own mail server
> for both sending and receiving directly.

Rubbish. ;)  There is no technical difference between a static IP and
dynamic WRT SMTP, thus one can "properly" run a mail server for both
sending and receiving directly.  The problem one runs into here, which
is probably what you meant to say, is merely receiver policy.  There are
few today that accept connections from PBL/DUL listed IPs, or those with
dynamic/generic rDNS.  Thus, use SASL auth to forward all outbound mail
through your ISP.

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Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?

[Heddle Weaver]

On 16 March 2011 09:13, Lisi  wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 March 2011 12:36:52 Heddle Weaver wrote:
> > On 15 March 2011 18:52, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> > > On Lu, 14 mar 11, 21:11:47, Rob Owens wrote:
> > > > I've seen posts like this on Freecycle, and they're almost always
> spam
> > > > or malware.  I haven't looked at this link, and I suggest you don't
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
> > > > > by the wise as false,
> > > > > and by the rulers as useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > — Lucius Annæus Seneca.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terrorism, the new religion.
> > >
> > > Not quite the typical .sig of a spammer (besides recognizing it from
> > > other posts) ;)
> >
> > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Andrei
>
> I actually found it not only on topic, but very interesting.  Thanks for
> the
> heads-up!
>

My pleasure. Actually why I posted it.
Thought it would make a good edition to the family, which, in time it
probably will be.
Just thought I'd get the news in.
Regards,

Weaver.
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by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful.

— Lucius Annæus Seneca.

Terrorism, the new religion.