Exim4 Administration

[David Baron]

I used to be able to do certain things like removing troublesome messages and 
such using webmin. Is there any other way?


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Re: Exim4 Administration

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> David Baron  :
> Is there any other way?

Yes.

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Re: Exim4 Administration

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Mihamina Rakotomandimby schreef:

David Baron  :
Is there any other way?


Yes.
Of course it's list policy to ask smart questions, but it's also list 
policy not to give useless answers (well, not policy, but it's certainly 
recommended).
@David: read 
http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html for 
the full documentation.
exim has a cli interface to remove frozen messages, man exim for 
details. Eg. to show frozen messages:

 exim -bp
And read

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Re: [SOLVED] New 3-button serial mouse not detected by Lenny

[Lisi]

On Monday 17 May 2010 12:50:49 Chris Austin wrote:
> > Do you have some reason for not wanting to use a scrollwheel?
>
> Not really, but looking on Google for 3-button mice, I saw a message that
> said a scroll-wheel mouse is fiddly to use, and the scroll-wheel has to be
> clicked accurately, or something to that effect.

I have never had a problem with this in the 4/5 years that I have been using 
Linux, with a large variety of different scroll wheel mice on a number of 
different computers and in various distros.  I find a scroll wheel mouse much 
easier to use than a three button mouse, because the distinction between the 
buttons is easier to identify.

Lisi


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Re: Is there a workaround for bug #578937 [SOLVED]

[Alan Chandler]

On 18/05/10 06:03, Ron Johnson wrote:


Hmmm. Just occurred to me that maybe I don't have fam installed. 
Yup, not installed. gamin 0.1.10-2+b1 is, though.




Bingo

libfam0 had been installed automatically by courier-imap and/or courier-base

I manually switched over the libgamin0  and the problem has gone away.




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Dual Monitors Twin View on Nvidia

[James Allsopp]

Hi,
I've a small 4:3 monitor which was working fine with Debian at about
1152x864 (VGA connection) on a nvidia 9500GT with the proprietary drivers
(sorry want to experiment with CUDA so non-free wasn't an option). However,
I've just bought a new 1080p TV and connected it to the computer via HDMI.
This unfortunately has permanently knocked the resolution down on the
monitor to 800x600, which is next to unusable. Would anyone with a similar
configuration be willing to share an xorg.conf or share some advice on this.
I think I'd like the monitor to be either 1280x960, 1152x864, 1024x768 and
the TV to work at 1600x900 1366x768 or 1280x720.


Thanks for any help!
Jim

Re: Dual Monitors Twin View on Nvidia

[Sebastian Weisgerber]

One possible solution is using the "nvidia-settings"-Tool.
You can configure your display-settings in a GUI and save it  
permanently to an xorg file.

I'm using this method since years and it works very well and flawlessly.

[Screenshot]
http://ourcraft.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nvidia-settings.png


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Zitat von James Allsopp :


Hi,
I've a small 4:3 monitor which was working fine with Debian at about
1152x864 (VGA connection) on a nvidia 9500GT with the proprietary drivers
(sorry want to experiment with CUDA so non-free wasn't an option). However,
I've just bought a new 1080p TV and connected it to the computer via HDMI.
This unfortunately has permanently knocked the resolution down on the
monitor to 800x600, which is next to unusable. Would anyone with a similar
configuration be willing to share an xorg.conf or share some advice on this.
I think I'd like the monitor to be either 1280x960, 1152x864, 1024x768 and
the TV to work at 1600x900 1366x768 or 1280x720.


Thanks for any help!
Jim







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Re: Is there a workaround for bug #578937 [SOLVED]

[Ron Johnson]

On 05/18/2010 04:50 AM, Alan Chandler wrote:

On 18/05/10 06:03, Ron Johnson wrote:


Hmmm. Just occurred to me that maybe I don't have fam installed. 
Yup, not installed. gamin 0.1.10-2+b1 is, though.




Bingo

libfam0 had been installed automatically by courier-imap and/or
courier-base

I manually switched over the libgamin0 and the problem has gone away.



You should add that work-around to the bug report...

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Re: Dual Monitors Twin View on Nvidia

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:02:50 +0100, James Allsopp wrote:

> Hi,
> I've a small 4:3 monitor which was working fine with Debian at about
> 1152x864 (VGA connection) on a nvidia 9500GT with the proprietary
> drivers (sorry want to experiment with CUDA so non-free wasn't an
> option). However, I've just bought a new 1080p TV and connected it to
> the computer via HDMI. This unfortunately has permanently knocked the
> resolution down on the monitor to 800x600, which is next to unusable.
> Would anyone with a similar configuration be willing to share an
> xorg.conf or share some advice on this. I think I'd like the monitor to
> be either 1280x960, 1152x864, 1024x768 and the TV to work at 1600x900
> 1366x768 or 1280x720.

Sure, here is my "xorg.conf" for a dual dvi-d setup:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/04/msg00261.html

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debian installer ISO: customizing with new packages

[Antonio Diaz Sanchez]

 Hi,

 I would like to add two packages to the netiso installer. I have found this 
link, but I think I need more detailed instructions:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD

 Do you know a web resource that describes the necessary steps to create a new 
debian installer ISO including new packages?

 Regards,





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[SOLVED] network printer and Cups

[Germana Oliveira]

Hi!!

I already can print with my network printer, this is a Canon iR3570/4570.

I download the driver from Canon: CQue1.0-9 in tar.gz format, i follow
the instructions in the manual and great!! i could print, but for
OpenOffice i have to take one more step, but nothing i can not find in
the manual, so i follow the instructions to install xpp.. and that's
it.

not that hard!


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Re: debian installer ISO: customizing with new packages

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 06:39 -0700, Antonio Diaz Sanchez wrote:
>  I would like to add two packages to the netiso installer. I have
>  found this link, but I think I need more detailed instructions:

> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD

>  Do you know a web resource that describes the necessary steps to
>  create a new debian installer ISO including new packages?

I guess you could use simple-cdd for that:

http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto
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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Osamu Aoki]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
> >
> >>Backwards.  Sid gets no security, AT ALL.  Testing get some.
> >
> >If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
> >unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that
> >unstable can be in better shape then testing at times.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Andrei
>  
> Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
> multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.

Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.

(Sid gets no corresponding "security" repository like
stable/updates nor testing/updates because we can upload directly to it
any time.)

I am thinking to add text to Debian reference to reduce such confusion.

Now:
If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
"/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. Security updates are only
available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).

(I should have explained better.)

New:
If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
"/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
(unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".

Osamu



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Re: Dual Monitors Twin View on Nvidia

[Merciadri Luca]

This tool is really useful. I am using two screens with a Nvidia GeForce
FX5700 on this computer. I do not use `twin view' but `dual screen.'
Here is my whole xorg.conf. You might notice that nvidia-settings did
the whole stuff for me.

==
# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (bui...@ninsei)  Tue Jun 24 18:11:48
UTC 2008

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (bui...@ninsei)  Fri Sep  5 22:23:08 UTC
2008

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load   "dbe"
Load   "extmod"
Load   "type1"
Load   "freetype"
Load   "glx"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from default
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option   "XkbRules""xorg"
Option   "XkbModel""pc105"
Option   "XkbLayout""be"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName  "Samsung SyncMaster"
HorizSync   30.0 - 81.0
VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
BoardName  "GeForce 8400 GS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
DefaultDepth24
Option "TwinView" "1"
Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP-0"
Option "metamodes" "CRT: nvidia-auto-select +1680+0, DFP:
nvidia-auto-select +0+0; CRT: 1280x1024 +0+0, DFP: NULL; CRT: 1280x1024
+1680+0, DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0"
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection
==


Sebastian Weisgerber wrote:
> One possible solution is using the "nvidia-settings"-Tool.
> You can configure your display-settings in a GUI and save it
> permanently to an xorg file.
> I'm using this method since years and it works very well and flawlessly.
>
> [Screenshot]
> http://ourcraft.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nvidia-settings.png
>
>
> -
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> Zitat von James Allsopp :
>
>> Hi,
>> I've a small 4:3 monitor which was working fine with Debian at about
>> 1152x864 (VGA connection) on a nvidia 9500GT with the proprietary
>> drivers
>> (sorry want to experiment with CUDA so non-free wasn't an option).
>> However,
>> I've just bought a new 1080p TV and connected it to the computer via
>> HDMI.
>> This unfortunately has permanently knocked the resolution down on the
>> monitor to 800x600, which is next to unusable. Would anyone with a
>> similar
>> configuration be willing to share an xorg.conf or share some advice
>> on this.
>> I think I'd like the monitor to be either 1280x960, 1152x864,
>> 1024x768 and
>> the TV to work at 1600x900 1366x768 or 1280x720.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>> Jim
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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X11 just froze, and /var/log/syslog (dmesg)'s output seems to mean something

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

I realized that my computer (this one, Debian Lenny, w. k.
2.6.26-2-686-bigmem) was frozen. I tried escaping from the screensaver,
but nothing worked, except launching another tty, and restarting gdm.
Here is the interesting output I obtained by looking at /var/log/syslog
and dmesg:

==
[24892.623421] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xbb
on isa0060/serio0).
[24892.623421] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e03b ' to make it known.
[24892.691424] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code
0xbb on isa0060/serio0).
[24892.691424] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e03b ' to make it known.
==

and

==
May 18 17:59:00 merciadriluca-station kernel: [24892.623421] atkbd.c:
Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xbb on isa0060/serio0).
May 18 17:59:00 merciadriluca-station kernel: [24892.623421] atkbd.c:
Use 'setkeycodes e03b ' to make it known.
May 18 17:59:00 merciadriluca-station kernel: [24892.691424] atkbd.c:
Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xbb on isa0060/serio0).
May 18 17:59:00 merciadriluca-station kernel: [24892.691424] atkbd.c:
Use 'setkeycodes e03b ' to make it known.
==


Could it be that? What should it mean?

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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > >On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
> > >
> > >>Backwards.  Sid gets no security, AT ALL.  Testing get some.
> > >
> > >If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
> > >unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that
> > >unstable can be in better shape then testing at times.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Andrei
> >  
> > Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
> > multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
> 
> Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
> 
> (Sid gets no corresponding "security" repository like
> stable/updates nor testing/updates because we can upload directly to it
> any time.)
> 
> I am thinking to add text to Debian reference to reduce such confusion.
> 
> Now:
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. Security updates are only
> available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).
> 
> (I should have explained better.)
> 
> New:
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
> is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".

Hmm . . . to someone not more familiar with Debian practices, the new
version seems more confusing. I would read that and think that Sid is
very secure because it always has the latest security fixes.  If that's
not what we mean, then perhaps the current version needs only slight
revision for clarity, e.g.,

Now:
If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
"/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required because Sid does not receive
security updates. Security updates are only
available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).



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Re: MD subsystem is not loaded

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 5/15/2010 9:50 AM:


Trouble is that years ago when I started compiling my own kernel, I did
not start a file with 3 columns: date - function - reason for adding, so
now I have a kernel that keeps getting bigger and I don't know
specifically why the entries are there, other than in general, like the
ones above.


This is one of the reasons I still use menuconfig.  Most options have a help
description available that can remind you why you are or aren't using a
given kernel option.



I also use (only) menuconfig, but in this case it was not that helpful: 
the 'help' items were minimal and not very 'help'ful ;-)


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John Hasler]

John A. Sullivan III writes:
> Hmm . . . to someone not more familiar with Debian practices, the new
> version seems more confusing. I would read that and think that Sid is
> very secure because it always has the latest security fixes.  If
> that's not what we mean, then perhaps the current version needs only
> slight revision for clarity, e.g.,

Packages in Sid do not receive security updates from the security team.
They do receive security updates from the maintainer of the package but
the security team does not monitor Sid.  The maintainer will often
address a security problem by packaging the next upstream version rather
than backporting the fix as the security team does.
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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 01:59 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:11:20PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > > On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > > >On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Backwards.  Sid gets no security, AT ALL.  Testing get some.
> > > > >
> > > > >If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
> > > > >unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means 
> > > > >that
> > > > >unstable can be in better shape then testing at times.
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Andrei
> > > >  
> > > > Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
> > > > multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
> > > 
> > > Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> > > impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
> > > 
> > > (Sid gets no corresponding "security" repository like
> > > stable/updates nor testing/updates because we can upload directly to it
> > > any time.)
> > > 
> > > I am thinking to add text to Debian reference to reduce such confusion.
> > > 
> > > Now:
> > > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. Security updates are only
> > > available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).
> > > 
> > > (I should have explained better.)
> > > 
> > > New:
> > > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> > > (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
> > > is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".
> > 
> > Hmm . . . to someone not more familiar with Debian practices, the new
> > version seems more confusing. 
> 
> 
> 
> >  I would read that and think that Sid is
> > very secure because it always has the latest security fixes.  
> 
> Yes, that what I mean.  This is true.
> 
> >  If that's
> > not what we mean, then perhaps the current version needs only slight
> > revision for clarity, e.g.,
> 
> English improvement welcome along the reality.
> 
> Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to both
> stable/updates and unstable. (Or simply uploading updated upstream fixes
> unstable whilr stable needs DD to fix by a special patch.) 
> 
> They tries or trying to do the same for testing but resource limitation
> is holding them back.
>  
> 
Ah, then I misunderstood your previous message to mean Sid did not have
the latest and greatest security.  Please disregard my babble then :(
Thanks - John


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Tom H]

2010/5/18 Osamu Aoki :
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
>> On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> >On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
>> >
>> >>Backwards.  Sid gets no security, AT ALL.  Testing get some.
>> >
>> >If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
>> >unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that
>> >unstable can be in better shape then testing at times.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Andrei
>>
>> Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
>> multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
>
> Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
>
> (Sid gets no corresponding "security" repository like
> stable/updates nor testing/updates because we can upload directly to it
> any time.)
>
> I am thinking to add text to Debian reference to reduce such confusion.
>
> Now:
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. Security updates are only
> available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).
>
> (I should have explained better.)
>
> New:
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed. There
> is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".

Perhaps you should add to this "This is because "sid" (unstable) is
always updated whenever security issues are fixed." that, in the case
of sid, security updates are downloaded by apt from "deb ... main" (or
uploaded by DDs to "deb ... main").


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:11:20PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > >On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Backwards.  Sid gets no security, AT ALL.  Testing get some.
> > > >
> > > >If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
> > > >unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that
> > > >unstable can be in better shape then testing at times.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Andrei
> > >  
> > > Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
> > > multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
> > 
> > Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> > impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
> > 
> > (Sid gets no corresponding "security" repository like
> > stable/updates nor testing/updates because we can upload directly to it
> > any time.)
> > 
> > I am thinking to add text to Debian reference to reduce such confusion.
> > 
> > Now:
> > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. Security updates are only
> > available for stable and testing (i.e., lenny and squeeze).
> > 
> > (I should have explained better.)
> > 
> > New:
> > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> > (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
> > is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".
> 
> Hmm . . . to someone not more familiar with Debian practices, the new
> version seems more confusing. 



>  I would read that and think that Sid is
> very secure because it always has the latest security fixes.  

Yes, that what I mean.  This is true.

>  If that's
> not what we mean, then perhaps the current version needs only slight
> revision for clarity, e.g.,

English improvement welcome along the reality.

Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to both
stable/updates and unstable. (Or simply uploading updated upstream fixes
unstable whilr stable needs DD to fix by a special patch.) 

They tries or trying to do the same for testing but resource limitation
is holding them back.
 


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Re: X11 just froze, and /var/log/syslog (dmesg)'s output seems to mean something

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:24 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> I realized that my computer (this one, Debian Lenny, w. k.
> 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem) was frozen. I tried escaping from the screensaver,
> but nothing worked, except launching another tty, and restarting gdm.
> Here is the interesting output I obtained by looking at /var/log/syslog
> and dmesg:
> 
> ==
> [24892.623421] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xbb
> on isa0060/serio0).

(...)

That seems to be unrelated with a X freeze. Looks like a keyboard key 
mapping error but nothing serious.

Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must something 
there :-?

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Re: Diskless notebooks with Debian Lenny or Squeeze?

[Stefan Monnier]

> are there any advices for diskless notebooks that is compatible with
> Debian Lenny or Squeeze?

What means "diskless"?  Do you mean "without a harddrive" or "without
removable media (like CD/DVD/floppy)"?  Something else?


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,19.May.10, 00:34:02, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> 
> New:
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
> is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".

May I suggest:
---
If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
"/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required as there is no need to have a 
separate security update archive for "sid". This is because "sid"
(unstable) is *usually* updated whenever security issues are fixed for 
stable.

However, it can happen that the fixes are not applied immediately (e.g.  
the maintainer is waiting for a new version from upstream which fixes 
the issue) or issues exist which do not affect the version in stable or 
testing, in which case Debian will not even issue a DSA.
---
(DSA might need expanding/explaining if not already done in some other 
paragraph)

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Re: Aargh! I hate the fglrx driver!

[Stefan Monnier]

> Anyone have any idea why  compiz won't work with newer fglrx drivers?

I don't.  But I have use the `radeon' driver with compiz.  Have you
tried it?  It's better for your karma and won't suffer from those kinds
of problems you're experiencing.


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 20:30 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed,19.May.10, 00:34:02, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > 
> > New:
> > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required. This is because "sid"
> > (unstable) is always updated whenever security issues are fixed.  There
> > is no need to have a separate security update archive for "sid".
> 
> May I suggest:
> ---
> If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required as there is no need to have a 
> separate security update archive for "sid". This is because "sid"
> (unstable) is *usually* updated whenever security issues are fixed for 
> stable.
> 
> However, it can happen that the fixes are not applied immediately (e.g.  
> the maintainer is waiting for a new version from upstream which fixes 
> the issue) or issues exist which do not affect the version in stable or 
> testing, in which case Debian will not even issue a DSA.
> ---
> (DSA might need expanding/explaining if not already done in some other 
> paragraph)
I thought John Hasler's response was very good. It explained why I was
confused - there are security updates but they are not the same type of
updates as testing and stable receive.  Perhaps John's wording should be
included; it clarified a very murky issue for me - John


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How to run an X program as a different user?

[Robert Latest]

Hello all,

my question is already in the subject line. Also I think that I've got
the basics figured out, it's just that I don't understand the details.

Essentially I want user A to run a specific X app as user B. So I
think I need to write a tiny shell script like this:

#!/bin/sh
xhost +B
sudo -u B /path/to/app arg1 arg2 arg3
xhost -B

I need help with two things though:

One, "xhost +B" doesn't work, contrary to the manpage. "xhost +"
works, granting X access to the entire Net, but who cares. This is
just a home computer.

Two, I can't figure out for the life of me what the entry in
/etc/sudoers must look like to make sudo do what I want.

Thanks,
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Re: X11 just froze, and /var/log/syslog (dmesg)'s output seems to mean something

[Merciadri Luca]

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Camaleón  writes:

> On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:24 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> I realized that my computer (this one, Debian Lenny, w. k.
>> 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem) was frozen. I tried escaping from the screensaver,
>> but nothing worked, except launching another tty, and restarting gdm.
>> Here is the interesting output I obtained by looking at /var/log/syslog
>> and dmesg:
>> 
>> ==
>> [24892.623421] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xbb
>> on isa0060/serio0).
>
> (...)
>
> That seems to be unrelated with a X freeze. Looks like a keyboard key 
> mapping error but nothing serious.
>
> Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must something 
> there :-?
Nothing really interesting there. Just:

==
AUDIT: Tue May 18 18:01:04 2010: 3716 X: client 33 rejected from local host 
(uid 0)
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
==
but 18:01:24 seems to be when I asked to restart gdm.

Note that I do not think that X crashed entirely. I just mean that the
screen was looking like frozen, but screensaver was still
moving... slowly, or sometimes really slowly.
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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John Hasler]

Osamu Aoki writes:
> Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to
> both stable/updates and unstable.

The security team does not support Sid.  That's up to the individual
package maintainers.

> Or simply uploading updated upstream fixes unstable...

That's what the package maintainer usually does.
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Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
previewing, or thumbnails.

How can I do to make this process faster?

Thanks.

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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 18 May 2010 13:16:27 Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
> you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
> fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
> previewing, or thumbnails.
> 
> How can I do to make this process faster?

Slow to ls?  reiserfs, xfs, btrfs, or the dir_index option and hash_alg 
extended option of ext3.

Is the directory fast to ls, but slow to render in a GUI?  Problem is likely 
with the GUI.

How many files?  It may be better to convert to a "stepped" directory 
structure.

E.g.:
Instead of:
/home/abel
/home/alfred
/home/ada
[...]
/home/zelda
/home/zola
/home/zoolander

Use:
/home/a/abel
/home/a/alfred
/home/a/ada
[...]
/home/z/zelda
/home/z/zola
/home/z/zoolander
Or: (usually only when names are fixed-length)
/home/a/bel
/home/a/lfred
/home/a/da
[...]
/home/z/elda
/home/z/ola
/home/z/oolander

I'm most familiar with using this for ASCII names, but it can be converted to 
work with other names.  Japanese can use stroke count of the first character 
instead of first character, for example.
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Re: Still can't read DVDs/CDs

[Bob McGowan]

On 05/17/2010 01:35 AM, James Stuckey wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Zoran Kolic  > wrote:
> 
> > > *What I'm doing to mount the media: *
> > > r...@debian:/home/stuckey# mount /dev/sr0
> > > mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

--deleted--

> 
> As another poster pointed, the device could be wrongly picked up.

--deleted--

> I just put a disc in, tried to mount it three times, and got three
> different results. Now it is mounted and /dev looks like
> http://paste.debian.net/73572/
> 
> Now I've taken the disc out and dev looks like:
> http://paste.debian.net/73573/
> 
> They look the same to me.

I'd suggest doing a long listing of the specific device you're using.

On my Debian box at work, I get:

brw-rw 1 root cdrom 3,  0 2010-05-04 17:11 /dev/hda
brw-rw 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2010-05-04 17:11 /dev/hdb

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

[Mark Allums]

Andrei Popescu wrote:



Probably a good start (whatever technology you end up using) is a
GNU/Linux (preferably Debian) machine connected to both internet links
and your internal network since consumer gateways don't even have more
than one WAN port[2].


I would like to point out that Cradlepoint makes a few routers that have 
a port that can be assigned as either a switch port or a 2nd WAN port. 
These Cardlepoint routers have load-balancing capabilities.


They accept 3G wireless aircards, having a PCMCIA or Express slot, as 
well as USB ports (for USB aircards or tethered smartphones).  These 
routers can also failover from the ethernet WAN to aircard.


I have a Cradlepoint MBR1200 model.  I use it with a Blackberry.  I have 
not experimented extensively with multiple WAN connections, however.


One big downside is that they are expensive.

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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Merciadri Luca]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 May 2010 13:16:27 Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
>> you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
>> fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
>> previewing, or thumbnails.
>>
>> How can I do to make this process faster?
>> 
>
> Slow to ls?  reiserfs, xfs, btrfs, or the dir_index option and hash_alg 
> extended option of ext3.
>
> Is the directory fast to ls, but slow to render in a GUI?  Problem is likely 
> with the GUI.
>   
Sorry, it is only slow to GUI (nautilus).
> How many files?
~25,000.
>  It may be better to convert to a "stepped" directory 
> structure.
>
> E.g.:
> Instead of:
> /home/abel
> /home/alfred
> /home/ada
> [...]
> /home/zelda
> /home/zola
> /home/zoolander
>
> Use:
> /home/a/abel
> /home/a/alfred
> /home/a/ada
> [...]
> /home/z/zelda
> /home/z/zola
> /home/z/zoolander
> Or: (usually only when names are fixed-length)
> /home/a/bel
> /home/a/lfred
> /home/a/da
> [...]
> /home/z/elda
> /home/z/ola
> /home/z/oolander
>
> I'm most familiar with using this for ASCII names, but it can be converted to 
> work with other names.  Japanese can use stroke count of the first character 
> instead of first character, for example.
>   
Yes. Good idea. I am however astonished that nautilus takes ~30 sec. to
open such a directory.


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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

[Merciadri Luca]

Mark Allums wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
>>> Probably a good start (whatever technology you end up using) is a
>>> GNU/Linux (preferably Debian) machine connected to both internet links
>>> and your internal network since consumer gateways don't even have more
>>> than one WAN port[2].
>
> I would like to point out that Cradlepoint makes a few routers that
> have a port that can be assigned as either a switch port or a 2nd WAN
> port. These Cardlepoint routers have load-balancing capabilities.
>
> They accept 3G wireless aircards, having a PCMCIA or Express slot, as
> well as USB ports (for USB aircards or tethered smartphones).  These
> routers can also failover from the ethernet WAN to aircard.
>
> I have a Cradlepoint MBR1200 model.  I use it with a Blackberry.  I
> have not experimented extensively with multiple WAN connections, however.
>
> One big downside is that they are expensive.
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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Mark Allums]

On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:

>> Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
>> multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
> 
> Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.


http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

 This area contains the most recent packages in Debian. Once a package
has met our criterion for stability and quality of packaging, it will be
included in testing. unstable is also not supported by the security team.


http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch2.en.html#s2.3

2.3 How does Debian handle security?
.
.
.
Information regarding security is centralized in a single point,
http://security.debian.org/.



http://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable

Q: How is security handled for unstable?

A: The short answer is: it's not. Unstable is a rapidly moving target
and the security team does not have the resources needed to properly
support it. If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are
strongly encouraged to stay with stable.



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Server certificate has expired

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

I am getting some Thunderbird message for an IMAP account of mine. This
message tells me that the server's certificate associated to the IMAP
account has expired since ... 2007. I know, it's already far from here,
but I cannot change the server's certificate. How can I get rid of this
message? It annoys me, as there is no box that I could check so that it
does not appear anymore.

I have contacted the ML related to the server, but I do not even tell
you who owns the server!

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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Hi,

I am getting some Thunderbird message for an IMAP account of mine. This
message tells me that the server's certificate associated to the IMAP
account has expired since ... 2007. I know, it's already far from here,
but I cannot change the server's certificate. How can I get rid of this
message? It annoys me, as there is no box that I could check so that it
does not appear anymore.

I have contacted the ML related to the server, but I do not even tell
you who owns the server!


Is taht Thunderbird 2 or 3? In 2 I could not find a way to permanently  
accept problematic certificates, but this has changed in version 3.



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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Merciadri Luca]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am getting some Thunderbird message for an IMAP account of mine. This
>> message tells me that the server's certificate associated to the IMAP
>> account has expired since ... 2007. I know, it's already far from here,
>> but I cannot change the server's certificate. How can I get rid of this
>> message? It annoys me, as there is no box that I could check so that it
>> does not appear anymore.
>>
>> I have contacted the ML related to the server, but I do not even tell
>> you who owns the server!
>
> Is that Thunderbird 2 or 3? In 2 I could not find a way to permanently
> accept problematic certificates, but this has changed in version 3.
Well, this is effectively Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706). How did you
manage to, under Th. 3?

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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Well, this is effectively Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706). How did you
manage to, under Th. 3?


I don't remember exactly, but I believe somewhere the was an option to  
accept the security exception permanently.



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Thunderbird's WebMail addon (used together with `-Hotmail' extension of it) download sometimes all the e-mails since some date, even if they have already been retrieved at another period

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

As explained in the title, I am using Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706) with
some add-ons, such as `WebMail'. This add-on lets it fetch your e-mails
from mail servers only dealing with special protocols (not as POP, IMAP,
etc.). I use it together with `WebMail -Hotmail', that is, to check my
Hotmail e-mails with Icedove. It works pretty well after some config,
but it sometimes download many e-mails which have already been
retrieved. It must be a bug in WebMail's add-on. Has somebody already
encountered this problem?

Thanks.

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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Merciadri Luca]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Well, this is effectively Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706). How did you
>> manage to, under Th. 3?
>
> I don't remember exactly, but I believe somewhere the was an option to
> accept the security exception permanently.
Thanks. I just verified, and it is surely not implemented in my
Icedove's version. I should get the new one (which is not in stable
branch, evidently).

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Re: How to run an X program as a different user?

[Clive Standbridge]

> Essentially I want user A to run a specific X app as user B. So I
> think I need to write a tiny shell script like this:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> xhost +B
> sudo -u B /path/to/app arg1 arg2 arg3
> xhost -B

Alternatively,

sux B /path/to/app arg1 arg2 arg3
Needs user B's password.
Requires package sux.

If you have sshd set up with X forwarding enabled, you could also do
ssh -X b...@localhost /path/to/app arg1 arg2 arg3
but this one feels like overkill.

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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Jordan Metzmeier]

On 05/18/2010 03:32 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
   

On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:
 

Well, this is effectively Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706). How did you
manage to, under Th. 3?
   

I don't remember exactly, but I believe somewhere the was an option to
accept the security exception permanently.
 

Thanks. I just verified, and it is surely not implemented in my
Icedove's version. I should get the new one (which is not in stable
branch, evidently).

   
You are better off using the upstream tarball of thunderbird then trying 
to backport Icedove from squeeze/lenny. Install to your homedir or /opt. 
As long as your user has write perms to file, it has an update manager 
that can upgrade itself (somewhat eliminating the need for package 
management).



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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Merciadri Luca]

Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
> On 05/18/2010 03:32 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>>   
>>> On Ter, 18 Mai 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>> 
 Well, this is effectively Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706). How did you
 manage to, under Th. 3?

>>> I don't remember exactly, but I believe somewhere the was an option to
>>> accept the security exception permanently.
>>>  
>> Thanks. I just verified, and it is surely not implemented in my
>> Icedove's version. I should get the new one (which is not in stable
>> branch, evidently).
>>
>>
> You are better off using the upstream tarball of thunderbird then
> trying to backport Icedove from squeeze/lenny. Install to your homedir
> or /opt. As long as your user has write perms to file, it has an
> update manager that can upgrade itself (somewhat eliminating the need
> for package management).
Thanks. I'll do it.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,18.May.10, 13:49:11, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> > 
> > May I suggest:
> > ---
> > If "sid" is used in the above example instead of "lenny", the "deb:
> > http://security.debian.org/ …" line for security updates in the
> > "/etc/apt/sources.list" is not required as there is no need to have a 
> > separate security update archive for "sid". This is because "sid"
> > (unstable) is *usually* updated whenever security issues are fixed for 
> > stable.
> > 
> > However, it can happen that the fixes are not applied immediately (e.g.  
> > the maintainer is waiting for a new version from upstream which fixes 
> > the issue) or issues exist which do not affect the version in stable or 
> > testing, in which case Debian will not even issue a DSA.
> > ---
> > (DSA might need expanding/explaining if not already done in some other 
> > paragraph)
> I thought John Hasler's response was very good. It explained why I was
> confused - there are security updates but they are not the same type of
> updates as testing and stable receive.  Perhaps John's wording should be
> included; it clarified a very murky issue for me - John

How about this instead of the last paragraph:

---
Please note that the Security Team does not monitor unstable. It is up 
to the individual maintainer to fix the issue. This may under 
circumstances take longer, e.g. if the maintainer is waiting for a new 
version from upstream. There are also no Debian Security Advisories 
(DSA) for issues that are present in the unstable version of a software, 
but not the versions in stable and/or testing.
---

Aoki-san, what do you think, is this getting too long? I also thought 
about mentioning alternate sources to get security informations (CVEs 
and such).

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Re: X11 just froze, and /var/log/syslog (dmesg)'s output seems to mean something

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:08:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón writes:

>> Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must
>> something there :-?
> Nothing really interesting there. Just:
> 
> ==
> AUDIT: Tue May 18 18:01:04 2010: 3716 X: client 33 rejected from local
> host (uid 0)
>   Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
> ==
> but 18:01:24 seems to be when I asked to restart gdm.

Nothing more in the rest of the "/var/log/Xorg.x.log" files?
 
> Note that I do not think that X crashed entirely. I just mean that the
> screen was looking like frozen, but screensaver was still moving...
> slowly, or sometimes really slowly.

Next time it happens, go to a tty and type "top" to list the processes in 
use. Sort the table by CPU cycles and/or memory use. The slowness could 
be caused by a "rampant" program consuming a lot of resources.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Mark Allums]

On 5/18/2010 2:21 PM, Mark Allums wrote:

On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:



Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.


Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.



http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch2.en.html#s2.3
http://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable



I would like to reiterate that there are lots of places where either it 
is implied that the security team handles all, or that unstable never 
gets fixes, not just those three I quoted (above) in a previous post. 
And that also does not include the various wikis, and odd corners that 
are Debian-affiliated, but not part of the official site.



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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:53:55 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Jordan Metzmeier wrote:

>> You are better off using the upstream tarball of thunderbird then
>> trying to backport Icedove from squeeze/lenny. Install to your homedir
>> or /opt. As long as your user has write perms to file, it has an update
>> manager that can upgrade itself (somewhat eliminating the need for
>> package management).

> Thanks. I'll do it.

Or you can give this extension a try :-P

Remember Mismatched Domains
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2131/

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Re: Thunderbird's WebMail addon (used together with `-Hotmail' extension of it) download sometimes all the e-mails since some date, even if they have already been retrieved at another period

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

Le 18/05/2010 21:30, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Hi,

As explained in the title, I am using Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706) with
some add-ons, such as `WebMail'. This add-on lets it fetch your e-mails
from mail servers only dealing with special protocols (not as POP, IMAP,
etc.). I use it together with `WebMail -Hotmail', that is, to check my
Hotmail e-mails with Icedove. It works pretty well after some config,
but it sometimes download many e-mails which have already been
retrieved. It must be a bug in WebMail's add-on. Has somebody already
encountered this problem?

Thanks.

Hi, don't know about your problem but there's no need any more for 
webmail hotmail addon, just use pop3.live.com as your pop server and 
smtp.live.com for smtp. It works with "old" accounts in @hotmail too.


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Re: Dual Monitors Twin View on Nvidia

[James Allsopp]

Hi,
Here's my xorg. If I manually try to change the resolution the small Dell
E175FP turns off, and can only be reactivated by going into nvidia-settings
and setting either 640x480 or 320xsomething low. Wonderinf it's a dpi issue,
as my other screen's a bit big.

Any suggestions  gratefully received.

Jim



# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildmeis...@builder58)  Wed Dec  9
16:35:48 PST 2009


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
Option "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from default
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"

# HorizSync source: xconfig, VertRefresh source: xconfig
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName  "CRT-1"
HorizSync   28.0 - 33.0
VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
BoardName  "GeForce 9500 GT"
EndSection

Section "Screen"

# Removed Option "metamodes" "CRT: 1280x1024 +0+0, DFP: 1920x1080 +0+0"
# Removed Option "metamodes" "CRT: 800x600 +0+0, DFP: 1920x1080 +0+0"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
DefaultDepth24
Option "TwinView" "1"
Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-1"
Option "metamodes" "CRT: nvidia-auto-select +0+0, DFP: 1920x1080
+0+0; CRT: NULL, DFP: 1920x1080 +0+0"
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection



On 18 May 2010 17:04, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> This tool is really useful. I am using two screens with a Nvidia GeForce
> FX5700 on this computer. I do not use `twin view' but `dual screen.'
> Here is my whole xorg.conf. You might notice that nvidia-settings did
> the whole stuff for me.
>
> ==
> # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
> # nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (bui...@ninsei)  Tue Jun 24 18:11:48
> UTC 2008
>
> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (bui...@ninsei)  Fri Sep  5 22:23:08 UTC
> 2008
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>Identifier "Layout0"
>Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
>InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
>InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Files"
>RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Module"
>Load   "dbe"
>Load   "extmod"
>Load   "type1"
>Load   "freetype"
>Load   "glx"
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
>Option "Xinerama" "0"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>
># generated from default
>Identifier "Mouse0"
>Driver "mouse"
>Option "Protocol" "auto"
>Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
>Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
>Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>
># generated from default
>Identifier "Keyboard0"
>Driver "kbd"
>Option   "XkbRules""xorg"
>Option   "XkbModel""pc105"
>Option   "XkbLayout""be"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>Identifier "Monitor0"
>VendorName "Unknown"
>ModelName  "Samsung SyncMaster"
>HorizSync   30.0 - 81.0
>VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
>Option "DPMS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>Identifier "Device0"
>Driver "nvidia"
>VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>Identifier "Videocard0"
>Driver "nvidia"
>VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
>BoardName  "GeForce 8400 GS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>Identifier "Screen0"
>Device "Videocard0"
>Monitor"Monitor0"
>DefaultDepth24
>Option "TwinView" "1"
>Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP-0"
>Option "metamodes" "CRT: nvidia-auto-select +1680+0, DFP:
> nvidia-auto-select +0+0; CRT: 1280x1024 +0+0, DFP: NULL; CRT: 1280x1024
> +1680+0, DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0"
>SubSection "Display"
>Depth   24
>EndSubSection
> EndSection
> ==
>
>
> Sebastian Weisgerber wrote:
> > One possible solution is using the "nvidia-settings"-Tool.
> > You can configure your display-settings in a GUI and save it
> > permanently to an xo

Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:16:27 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
> you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
> fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
> previewing, or thumbnails.
> 
> How can I do to make this process faster?

Did you also turn off "Count Number of Items" and "Show Text In Icons" in 
Nautilus "preview" preferences?

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ONDULEUR pour serveur GNU LINUX DEBIAN

[franck dufau]

Bonjour, 

 

Auriez-vous un retour d’expérience concernant un onduleur pour un serveur
DEBIAN.

 

FACILE A INSTALLER ET FIABLE !

Connexion USB ou serie

 

Cordialement.

 

Franck

Re: Thunderbird's WebMail addon (used together with `-Hotmail' extension of it) download sometimes all the e-mails since some date, even if they have already been retrieved at another period

[Merciadri Luca]

tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Le 18/05/2010 21:30, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As explained in the title, I am using Icedove 2.0.0.22 (20090706) with
>> some add-ons, such as `WebMail'. This add-on lets it fetch your e-mails
>> from mail servers only dealing with special protocols (not as POP, IMAP,
>> etc.). I use it together with `WebMail -Hotmail', that is, to check my
>> Hotmail e-mails with Icedove. It works pretty well after some config,
>> but it sometimes download many e-mails which have already been
>> retrieved. It must be a bug in WebMail's add-on. Has somebody already
>> encountered this problem?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> Hi, don't know about your problem but there's no need any more for
> webmail hotmail addon, just use pop3.live.com as your pop server and
> smtp.live.com for smtp. It works with "old" accounts in @hotmail too.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
Thanks.

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Re: ONDULEUR pour serveur GNU LINUX DEBIAN

[Merciadri Luca]

Bonjour,

Vous êtes sur une /mailinglist/ en langue anglaise, et non pas
française. Ce n'est pas grave, je parle français, mais personne ne va
vous comprendre. Vous auriez plus de succès sur une liste francophone.

Hi,

You're on an english-speaking mailinglist. This is not a problem, I can
speak French, but nobody will understand you. You'd better try a french
mailinglist.

franck dufau wrote:
>
> Bonjour,
>
>  
>
> Auriez-vous un retour d’expérience concernant un onduleur pour un
> serveur DEBIAN.
>
>  
>
> FACILE A INSTALLER ET FIABLE !
>
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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Ron Johnson]

On 05/18/2010 02:15 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

On Tuesday 18 May 2010 13:16:27 Merciadri Luca wrote:


Hi,

I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
previewing, or thumbnails.

How can I do to make this process faster?


Don't use a GUI tool that's designed for small subdirectories.



Slow to ls?  reiserfs, xfs, btrfs, or the dir_index option and hash_alg
extended option of ext3.

Is the directory fast to ls, but slow to render in a GUI?  Problem is likely
with the GUI.


Sorry, it is only slow to GUI (nautilus).

How many files?

~25,000.


Don't use Nautilus, or reorganize your directory structure.

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Re: ONDULEUR pour serveur GNU LINUX DEBIAN

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT), franck dufau wrote:
>
> Bonjour, 
> 
> Auriez-vous un retour d’expérience concernant un onduleur pour un serveur
> DEBIAN.
> 
> 
> FACILE A INSTALLER ET FIABLE !
> 
> Connexion USB ou serie
>
> 
> Cordialement.
> 
> Franck

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Globally map to

[Vadim Matveev]

How can i globally map  to work as ? It is default in
rxvt-unicode and vimperator, but i want it to work this way with any X
application. I tried xbindkey with 'xdotool key Return', but it is too
slow - about 1 sec delay, useless.
Maybe it should be solved via WM (xmonad), but anyway i don't know how.
Any solution?


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Re: How to run an X program as a different user?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-05-18, Robert Latest  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> my question is already in the subject line. Also I think that I've got
> the basics figured out, it's just that I don't understand the details.
>
> Essentially I want user A to run a specific X app as user B. So I
> think I need to write a tiny shell script like this:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> xhost +B
> sudo -u B /path/to/app arg1 arg2 arg3
> xhost -B
>
> I need help with two things though:
>
> One, "xhost +B" doesn't work, contrary to the manpage. "xhost +"
> works, granting X access to the entire Net, but who cares. This is
> just a home computer.
>
> Two, I can't figure out for the life of me what the entry in
> /etc/sudoers must look like to make sudo do what I want.
>
> Thanks,
> robert
>
>

Consider using the gksu package instead.

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Re: Server certificate has expired

[Merciadri Luca]

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Hash: SHA1

Camaleón  writes:

> On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:53:55 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
>
>>> You are better off using the upstream tarball of thunderbird then
>>> trying to backport Icedove from squeeze/lenny. Install to your homedir
>>> or /opt. As long as your user has write perms to file, it has an update
>>> manager that can upgrade itself (somewhat eliminating the need for
>>> package management).
>
>> Thanks. I'll do it.
>
> Or you can give this extension a try :-P
>
> Remember Mismatched Domains
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2131/
So nice! Thanks a lot. Love it.
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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Merciadri Luca]

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> Don't use Nautilus, or reorganize your directory structure.
Okay. Then, for browsing big directories with a GUI, which GUI do you
advice to use? Thanks.
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Re: X11 just froze, and /var/log/syslog (dmesg)'s output seems to mean something

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Camaleón  writes:

> On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:08:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> Camaleón writes:
>
>>> Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must
>>> something there :-?
>> Nothing really interesting there. Just:
>> 
>> ==
>> AUDIT: Tue May 18 18:01:04 2010: 3716 X: client 33 rejected from local
>> host (uid 0)
>>   Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
>> ==
>> but 18:01:24 seems to be when I asked to restart gdm.
>
> Nothing more in the rest of the "/var/log/Xorg.x.log" files?
No. Weird.

>
>> Note that I do not think that X crashed entirely. I just mean that the
>> screen was looking like frozen, but screensaver was still moving...
>> slowly, or sometimes really slowly.
>
> Next time it happens, go to a tty and type "top" to list the processes in 
> use. Sort the table by CPU cycles and/or memory use. The slowness could 
> be caused by a "rampant" program consuming a lot of resources.
Okay. Thanks!
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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Op 18-05-10 21:21, Mark Allums schreef:
> On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> 
>>> Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
>>> multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
>>
>> Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
>> impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
> 
> ...
>

> Information regarding security is centralized in a single point,
> http://security.debian.org/.
> 
Anyway, to also clearly answer the question about testing security
support, same manual #8:
Q: How is security handled for testing?

A: If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are strongly
encouraged to stay with stable. However, there is security support for
testing: The Debian testing security team handles issues for testing.
They will make sure that the fixed packages enter testing in the usual
way by migration from unstable (with reduced quarantine time), or, if
that still takes too long, make them available via the the normal
http://security.debian.org infrastructure. To use it, make sure the
following line is in /etc/apt/sources.list:

So yes, testing *does* receive security support

Sjoerd



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hald start problem

[Rytis Daugirdas]

Hello,

On my Debian system hald fails to start randomly. Logs do not show any
errors.

When I restart it and it does start, the output looks like this:

r...@laptop:~# /etc/init.d/hal restart
Restarting Hardware abstraction layer: hald.
r...@laptop:~#

When I restart it and it does NOT start, the output looks like this:

r...@laptop:~# /etc/init.d/hal restart
Restarting Hardware abstraction layer: haldr...@laptop:~#

As you can see in the latter case some expected output (".\n") is missing.
Also, the return code is 1 instead of 0 which clearly indicates a failure.

I tried the same quite a few times and it's completely random. What could be
the problem?

Rytis

shoe horn KDE3.5 system

[richard]

Hi 
it sounds a bit weird but its pretty close to what I need to do.
As you can see from my footer I use mandriva and I like it.
I have however an app which does not.
It needs QT3 and KDE3.5 to run, anfd it has to be run in a KDE DM. It crashes
when run on gnome.I have made space in the middle of one of the two SATA drives.
There's about 100 GB it can use.
I have gone back on Mandriva releases and 2008.0 was the last to solely use
KDE3.5, if piklab finds a KDE4 lib it crashes, and from MDV2008.1 they merged.
MDV 2008.0 would be OK but it won't recognise SATA HDs.
I tried Ubuntu to try and load it in that 100 Gb gap, but it wanted all of the
drive, even when told use unused space.
I know Debian is stable, will the installer if told install its self on to an
unused section of the SATA HD and put its bootloader at the start of the rott
partition , ie" /", not /root.
Is the a version that used KDE3.5, QT3 that will work on a SATA HD, will the 32
bit versions run on a 64 bit or must I use the AMD_64 version.
Are the any problem with the kernel supplied with what ever version is
suggested with RTL8111/8168B PCI express ethernet cards, on MDV certain kernels
in 2009 had problems with the driver for that card.

A quick reply would really be appreciated, I've been trying to get this app to
run for the last couple of days without any luck.

TIA

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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,18.May.10, 22:59:46, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> 
> So yes, testing *does* receive security support

http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2010/01/msg0.html

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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Ron Johnson]

On 05/18/2010 03:56 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

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Ron Johnson  writes:


Don't use Nautilus, or reorganize your directory structure.

Okay. Then, for browsing big directories with a GUI, which GUI do you
advice to use? Thanks.


I wouldn't.  (Real Men use the CLI.)

Anyway... there are many lightweight file managers in Debian.  I'd 
install a bunch and see which is the least slow.


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[John Hasler]

Andrei writes:
> Please note that the Security Team does not monitor unstable. It is up
> to the individual maintainer to fix the issue.
  ^

Please.  It's a bug or a problem.  Microsoft has "issues".
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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Sat,15.May.10, 10:32:36, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

(on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.
 
[...]
 

So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?


Please post the output of 'apt-cache policy grub'.


h...@debian:~$ apt-cache policy grub
grub:
  Installed: 0.97-47lenny2
  Candidate: 0.97-61
  Version table:
 0.97-61 0
500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 *** 0.97-47lenny2 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Hugo


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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2010-05-15 17:32 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


(on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.

Then when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I see:

The following packages have been kept back:
  grub

and

The following packages will be upgraded:
... grub-legacy ...

but when I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' I see:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
... grub-legacy{a} ...


You should run "aptitude unmarkauto grub-legacy" and remove the
transitional grub package.  Unfortunately the case where a transitional
package A pulls in another package B is not handled well by the package
managers, I always end up "aptitude unmarkauto B; aptitude markauto A"
to tell apt that I want to keep the new package and that it can remove
the transitional one as soon as nothing depends on it anymore.


The following NEW packages will be installed:
... grub-pc{a} ...

So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?


Because it decides that the grub-legacy package is unused and can be
removed despite the pin.  Whether this is the right thing is debatable;
I'm sure you find some bug reports about that if you dig into the long
list of aptitude bugs.



That explains it well, thanks

Hugo


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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Daniel Burrows wrote:

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:32:36AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom  
was heard to say:

but when I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' I see:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
... grub-legacy{a} ...

and

The following NEW packages will be installed:
... grub-pc{a} ...

So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?


  Pinning tells aptitude which version of a package to pick.  It
doesn't tell it to avoid removing the package from the system, or to
guess that you don't want other packages on the system.

  It looks to me like something else required grub-pc, and that in
turn forced grub-legacy to be removed.  You could try pinning grub-pc
at a very low priority to see whether that helps, although without
knowing what's causing grub-pc to get pulled in, it's hard to say
whether that will really do the trick.



Didn't help. I don't know what is causing grub-pc to get pulled in.

Hugo


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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Freeman wrote:

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:32:36AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

(on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.

Then when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I see:

The following packages have been kept back:
  grub

and

The following packages will be upgraded:
... grub-legacy ...

but when I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' I see:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
... grub-legacy{a} ...

and

The following NEW packages will be installed:
... grub-pc{a} ...

So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?



High pin scores can be thrown off, even without high-scoring dependency
issues, if there are more than two releases involved.

This explains better than I could:

http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html



Indeed it does. Thanks.

Hugo


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Re (5): Re^n: Grub vs. linux-image-2.6.32 conundrum

[peasthope]

Date:   Mon, 17 May 2010 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Stephen Powell 
> ... my employer has [carnot.yi.org] blocked as a "dating" site.  ?!

yi.org provides an server for dynamically updated 
addresses.  Among the thousands of clients, a few 
could be distributing "colorful" data.

http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/dalton.Xorg.0.log 
is the same file.  I registered at yi.org back 
when the ubc dns was failing.

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Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?

[Manon Metten]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Merciadri Luca
 wrote:


> I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as
> you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite
> fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled
> previewing, or thumbnails.
>
> How can I do to make this process faster?


Hi Luca,

If you're using ext2/ext3, turning off dir/file access time might help.
Edit /etc/fstab and add noatime,nodiratime on the appropriate line,
like in the example below:

/dev/hdb2   /home   ext3   defaults,noatime,nodiratime   0   2

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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:58:24PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Osamu Aoki writes:
> > Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to
> > both stable/updates and unstable.
> 
> The security team does not support Sid.  That's up to the individual
> package maintainers.

True.  But I see quite a bit of NMU when this situation happens with a
package maintained by a lazy maintainer.
 
> > Or simply uploading updated upstream fixes unstable...
> 
> That's what the package maintainer usually does.

Yes.  I was not precise.


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Re: How to keep debian current??

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

There are 2 different topics.

 * Which is better shape "testing" or "unstable" for security issues?
   (original question)

 * What dees security team do and ensures?

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:21:20PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> 
> >> Thank you.  This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
> >> multiple places, but it is plausible.  Good to know.
> > 
> > Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
> > impression?  So we can make corrective action to reduce confusion.
> 
> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
> 
>  This area contains the most recent packages in Debian. Once a package
> has met our criterion for stability and quality of packaging, it will be
> included in testing. unstable is also not supported by the security team.

I see: "unstable is also not supported by the security team".  This is
true as official stance of secutrty team.

But I also see quite a bit of NMU by many DD (or by the maintainer) on
unstable package fixing security issues using the latest upsream. 
So it is getting some security fixes (but not by security team.) 

Testing security update requires much more work and security team has
resource issues to be throrough as they want.  Thus coming back to
original question on security support situation:

testingvs. unstable ?  
answer: practically 0 security support vs. some security support
^  but not by security team.
|
|--- usualy wait for migration of fixed package from unstable
 (Sometimes, migration takes quite a long time)

The unstable is better shape in general.  But it is not as secure as the
stable system with secutity updates by the security team.
 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch2.en.html#s2.3
> http://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable

All these are true statement.

If a package is dead upstream with slow maintainer, such package may
stay in unstable with security issues and RC bugs.

Osamu


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Chromium Xperience

[KS]

Hi all,

I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A
few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian
and installed it.

I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could
be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using
its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even
with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels
faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win
for responsiveness to a casual user.

Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to
(almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with
Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it
works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page
is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel
(firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts!
Iceweasel takes this round (very important).

And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for
Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F!
Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate
data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or
first History > Edit Items and then delete.

Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full
screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window!

The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep
me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented.

What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in
Debian?

KS.


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Re: Chromium Xperience

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 19:15, KS  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A
> few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian
> and installed it.
>
> I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could
> be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using
> its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even
> with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels
> faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win
> for responsiveness to a casual user.
>
> Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to
> (almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with
> Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it
> works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page
> is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel
> (firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts!
> Iceweasel takes this round (very important).
>
> And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for
> Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F!
> Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate
> data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or
> first History > Edit Items and then delete.
>
> Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full
> screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window!
>
> The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep
> me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented.
>
> What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in
> Debian?

I have the dev build installed. I used it a bit to play with Youtube's
html5 version.
I guess it's kind of fast, but I didn't really notice, although I
didn't feel like using
in a realistic browsing session of mine. I am kind of curious about how it
would work when every session involves reopening 50-120 tabs (which is
normal for me), but I can't tolerate the UI for that long -_-

To the extent I did use it, it worked ok. On one of the dev updates, html5
audio was broken, but I filed a bug and it was soon fixed.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Scripting gnome-panels

[Eric Persson]

I have a small bashscript which prepares a dual-monitor setup for my 
laptop, since i'm moving in and out of the office and meetings, I tend 
to attach and disconnect the monitor a few times a day.


That works fine with xrandr, but the issue is that I would like some 
gnome panels to move, and add one to the extra monitor. I have googled 
around but cant seemt o find that it would be possible, but it must be 
in some way, us usual. So, any hints?


Basically, add one panel to one monitor, and add a window list to that 
panel.


Best regards,
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