Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Andrei Popescu]

On Fri,21.Aug.09, 11:43:04, Girish Kulkarni wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to
> >>>actually work together must be a dark art :)
> >>>
> >>
> >>What's so strange about fetchmail?
> >
> >I admit this is uninformed, but it seems to me like fetchmail tries to
> >be many things, but not particularly good at anything:
> 
> Your  worked!

Apparently :(

I'll stop responding to this thread now.

Regards,
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Re: how to migrate request-tracker database from sqlite3 to mysql

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> 
>>Yeah, somehow SQL does not seem to be really "S"tandard :-)
> 
> The "S" in SQL stands/stood for "Structured".  However, SQL has been
> standardized about 3 times, roughly the same number of times UNIX has been
> standardized.  However, like UNIX, each implementation has many, many
> extensions that the uninformed or undisciplined commonly use.  Also like
> UNIX, in places where the standard has undefined or implementation-defined
> behavior each implementation generally has consistent and predictable
> behavior that even disciplined, experienced users may end up expecting
> from an alternative implementation.
> 
> In short, most SQL you will find is not strictly-conforming, just like
> most shell scripts and C/C++ programs.
hehe, I was thinking (because reading about standardization of SQL) it
stands for standard.
Thanks for pointing out.

I know there are non-free import/export tools if in hurry and it's
important, may be it's worth paying.

I've been playing with import/export sqlite - mysql/oracle.
Exporting only simple sql structure works (no indices and funktions).

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-21 00:57, Girish Kulkarni wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Jochen Schulz wrote:

Could someone help with playing encrypted DVDs on Lenny?


Do you have libdvdcss installed?


Thanks for the replies.  I don't have libdvdcss installed.  But now
I'm confused.  I thought I shouldn't need libdvdcss if my drive's
region code is set correctly, which it is now -- I have a region 5 DVD
in a region 5 player.

According to its authors, libdvdcss is "designed for accessing DVDs
like a block device without having to bother about the decryption."  I
don't want to do that; I just want to decrypt what I should be able to
decrypt.

Or am I getting things wrong here?


Yes.  The region setting is separate and distinct from whether or 
not the DVD is encrypted.


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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[Andrei Popescu]

[Please follow-up only to the Debian bug in CC, this is getting a bit 
off-topic for the list]

On Thu,20.Aug.09, 19:12:15, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On 8/20/09, Liviu Andronic  wrote:
> > Since at release time Ubuntu is patched Debian sid, I feel that the
> >  issue affects both distributions in a very similar way. Understanding
> >  what happens in Ubuntu may help understand what happens in Debian.
> >
> There is one Ubuntu bug report [1] that may apply to our case.
> Especially comment #8 seems interesting.
> Liviu
> 
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/251337

That's interesting.

Maybe we should forward the bug upstream instead of reassigning it to 
policykit?

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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[Andrei Popescu]

On Fri,21.Aug.09, 00:42:58, go...@dobosevic.com wrote:
> Liviu Andronic wrote:
> >On 8/20/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:
> >> I was just install Debian Squeeze on one laptop. After installation I was
> >>remove Gnome and install XFCE. Shutdown and restart works normal without any
> >>tweaking.
> >>
> >In Xfce, did you try to open a root terminal, or synaptic, and 
> >shutdown/reboot?
> >Liviu
> >
> >
> I just tried with opened Synaptic and it's worked.

Could you please also try with an open 'su' root session?

Regards,
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Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-21 02:18, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Fri,21.Aug.09, 11:43:04, Girish Kulkarni wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:


Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to
actually work together must be a dark art :)


What's so strange about fetchmail?

I admit this is uninformed, but it seems to me like fetchmail tries to
be many things, but not particularly good at anything:

>>

Your  worked!


Apparently :(


Honestly, that was a lame flame.  Mainly because it was a good segue 
into why you don't like it, instead of a raw blast of vituperation.


I'm not really complaining, though.


I'll stop responding to this thread now.


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2.6.30 ->ath5K does not load at start

[Thierry Chatelet]

Hi,
After upgrade, my squeede does not start the wii. I have to do a modprobe to 
get it going. It is OK with kernel 2.6.28.
Any tips??
Thierry


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2.6.30 -> Brightness does not work

[Thierry Chatelet]

Hi,
Next problem (and last) I have is that I cannot set the brightness on my 
laptop. Kpowersave setting indicate: Your Hardware currently not support 
changing the brightness o your display.
What is missing, as it works with kernel 2.6.28?
Thanks
Thierry


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Re: 2.6.30 ->ath5K does not load at start

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 21 August 2009 10:16:41 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> Hi,
> After upgrade, my squeede does not start the wifi. I have to do a modprobe
> to get it going. It is OK with kernel 2.6.28.
> Any tips??
> Thierry
Same as first, but with a "f" in wifi.


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Re: 2.6.30 -> Brightness does not work

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 21 August 2009 10:28:20 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> Hi,
> Next problem (and last) I have is that I cannot set the brightness on my
> laptop. Kpowersave setting indicate: Your Hardware currently not support
> changing the brightness o your display.
> What is missing, as it works with kernel 2.6.28?
> Thanks
> Thierry

I found that:
~$ dmesg |grep brightness
[   26.758710] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]

What to do now?
Thierry


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An initial automounting by kde very slow after each X/kde-session start.

[Sietse Achterop]

  Hello List,

This problem occurs since a few months, and I'm struggling to solve it.

The system is debian/lenny (kde/kdm) on a dual core Intel PC.
Inserting a usbstick for the FIRST TIME after logging in via kdm results
in a delay of about 10 minutes before the kde-mount-screen appears!
Then everything works OK. All next inserts work normal.
   (I regrettably have to restart the X-server on each logout, so
with each login the X-server is also reset. So maybe the 10 minute delay
is triggered by the X-server reset. But how?)

The devices are always directly created upon insertion (here /dev/sdb1),
and pmount can be used directly. There never is any warning or error to be 
found.

Here some debugging info from hald

OUTPUT from hald from /var/log/daemon.log:
==
 .
Aug 19 13:13:44 wingtip84 hald[5386]: 13:13:44.224 [I] blockdev.c:1622: 
hald-probe-storage --only-check-for-media returned 0 (exit_type=0)
Aug 19 13:22:39 wingtip84 hald[5386]: 13:22:39.186 [I] hald_dbus.c:5127: OK for 
method 'Mount' with signature 'ssas' on interface 
'org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume' for
UDI '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_76DE_0888' and execpath 
'hal-storage-mount'
 .
==

Note the 10 minute delay between the hald-probe-storage and the "OK for method 
'Mount'.


OUTPUT from hald in nodeamon and verbose mode (different attempt):
=
 
!  full path is '/usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-volume', program_dir is '/usr/lib/hal'
pid 5476: rc=0 signaled=0: /usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-volume
Run started hald-probe-storage (1) (0)
!  full path is '/usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-storage', program_dir is '/usr/lib/hal'
woohoo
pid 5485: rc=0 signaled=0: /usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-storage

+++
+++

Run started hal-storage-mount (0) (1)
!  full path is '/usr/lib/hal/hal-storage-mount', program_dir is '/usr/lib/hal'
5657: XYA attempting to get lock on /media/.hal-mtab-lock
5657: XYA got lock on /media/.hal-mtab-lock
device   = /dev/sdb1
invoked by uid   = 502
invoked by system bus connection = :1.36
 label ''  uuid '76DE-0888'
Looking at /etc/fstab entry '/dev/sda7'
/etc/fstab: device /dev/sda7 -> /dev/sda7

 
===

The ++' stands for the 10 minutes of silence 
And after that silence the screen appears.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Again note that there never is any warning or error to be found.
How could the 10 minute delay be triggered?
Is it an udev-rule problem?
  (at some point I had package dmsetup (devicemapper setup) installed and after
   fiddling with its udev-rules it seemed to work (once).
   Now dmsetup is not installed anymore)

   Thanks in advance.
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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Jochen Schulz]

Girish Kulkarni:
> 
> According to its authors, libdvdcss is "designed for accessing DVDs
> like a block device without having to bother about the decryption."  I
> don't want to do that; I just want to decrypt what I should be able to
> decrypt.
> 
> Or am I getting things wrong here?

Yes. Almost all commercial DVDs, irrespective of their region code, use
the "Content Scramble System" to "protect" their content from being
copied or be played by non-DRM-compliant devices.

That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your computer,
you either have to run proprietary software (which contains a licensed
descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key using something like
libdvdcss. The latter may be illegal in some countries. But at least
here in Germany, where I think it is technically illegal, I have never
heard of someone being brought to court for using libvdvdcss.

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apt can't verify package

[Long Wind]

I use etch
In sources.list, I have a line like:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main

When I install packages with apt-intall, it warns:

Install these packages without verification[y/N]?

how to solve it? Thanks!


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Re: apt can't verify package

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Long Wind schreef:

I use etch
In sources.list, I have a line like:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main

When I install packages with apt-intall, it warns:

Install these packages without verification[y/N]?

how to solve it? Thanks!
It's because you don't have the proper gpg-key for checking validity. 
Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt

Do a
 aptitude install debian-archive-keyring (yes to 'Install w/o 
verification')

 aptitude update

Then all packages downloaded after this date are checked against this 
key for validity.


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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[go...@dobosevic.com]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Fri,21.Aug.09, 00:42:58, go...@dobosevic.com wrote:

Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 8/20/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:

I was just install Debian Squeeze on one laptop. After installation I was
remove Gnome and install XFCE. Shutdown and restart works normal without any
tweaking.


In Xfce, did you try to open a root terminal, or synaptic, and shutdown/reboot?
Liviu



I just tried with opened Synaptic and it's worked.


Could you please also try with an open 'su' root session?

Regards,
Andrei

I just did. It works.
Ok I em new and don't have so much experience with Linux but maybe is 
problem if you install just basic Debian without GUI and then apt-get XFCE.
I knew I will get Lenovo S10e so i was experiment with XFCE and  LXDE on 
my VirtualBox. I was installed Debian without GUI. After XFCE 
installation I can't shut down until I add myself to powerdev group. 
Maybe some kind of "magic" come if you install Debian with KDE/Gnome and 
then switch to XFCE?


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Re: What is the preferred way to install packages from testing/unstable in stable?

[Alexandru Cardaniuc]

Aniruddha  writes:

> I would like to install the latest version swfdec-mozilla (because it
> offers autoplay). I intent to track stable as closely as possible. As
> far I can tell there are four possibilities to achieve this:
>
> 1) Temporary enable testing/unstable repositories and install the
> program 2) Download *.deb from packages.debian org 3) Use apt-pinning
> 4) Compile from source, this requires option 1 to be enabled.
> Otherwise you get the following error:
>
> # apt-get build-dep swfdec-mozilla E: Build-Depends dependency for
> swfdec-mozilla cannot be satisfied because the package
> libswfdec-0.8-dev cannot be found
>
>
> I am interested to learn the best method to install a newer package
> while remaining as close (compatible) with stable as possible. Thanks
> in advance!


How about asking the developer(s) to upload swfdec-mozilla to
debian-volatile? Flash stuff changes pretty often and hence the plugin
becomes useless at some point during the life of the stable. Like the
last time they changed something on youtube and swfdec couldn't play it
anymore, until the new version came out (which by the way wasn't
uploaded to stable). I think updates that break package functionality is
something that qualifies for inclusion in debian-volatile. At least that
is how I understand why, for instance, pidgin is in debian-volatile. I
fail to see the difference between pidgin and swfdec-mozilla in this
case. 

So, I think the best solution is to ask developers to upload
swfdec-mozilla to debian-volatile and to support it there too.

What do you guys think?


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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[go...@dobosevic.com]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 8/20/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:

 I just tried with opened Synaptic and it's worked.


Is there any chance that this issue be linked to the architecture? I'm
running amd64.
Liviu



Don't know I don't have 64 just 32 :-(

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Re: I can't locate locate

[Bob]

ludovico van wrote:

>>
>> I am running up to date Sid and can no longer run the command 'locate'.
>> Has this been removed from Sid, if so is there an alternative command for
>> searching a database for files?
> 
> mlocate is the package you want
> 

Many thanks, mlocate sorted it.


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Re: inline JPGs

[Adam Hardy]

Mihira Fernando on 17/08/09 14:29, wrote:

On Monday 17 August 2009 06:42:41 pm Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-16 09:58, Mihira Fernando wrote:

On Sunday 16 August 2009 08:22:57 pm Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-16 05:15, Mihira Fernando wrote:
[snip]


Also :
Folder -> Preffer HTML to Plain Text

Except that this is a crime against humanity, besides being contrary
to published debian-user netiquette.

In that case, inline JPGs are a crime against humanity as well..

Not true, at least in Tbird, where displaying inline images is
independent from presenting emails in text or html mode.
Then some skulduggery is involved in TBird's text only mode since to render  
an inline jpeg (embedded or linked),inline with the mail content, the mode has 
to be go away from text only and enter html mode



TBird doesn't display images to me in text-only mode. They appear as 
attachments. Is this some setting you can set?



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Re: HP DL180 G6 with Debian Lenny

[Javier Barroso]

Hi,

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Richard
Pijnenburg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The firmware-bnx i already got implemented like I said before.
> The problem is that the DL180 G6 serie uses the Intel E1000.
> It seems it needs the newest driver which is not included in the debian
> installer.
>
> I've also tried the customized installer from Kenshi but without much luck.
> The netinstaller cd works, but the PXE doesn't.
> It gives me an error that it can't find any modules for the kernel.
> Anyone any idea?
Did you download both (hd-media and netboot) files from kenshi site,
and then follow him instructions ?

If you can't find any modules, maybe hd-media is missing

It worked for me

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Girish Kulkarni wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>> Could someone help with playing encrypted DVDs on Lenny?
>>
>> Do you have libdvdcss installed?
[...]
> According to its authors, libdvdcss is "designed for accessing DVDs
> like a block device without having to bother about the decryption."  I
> don't want to do that; I just want to decrypt what I should be able to
> decrypt.
>
> Or am I getting things wrong here?

If the content of the DVD is 'encrypted' the software you use has to
decrypt it in order to be able to play it. For proprietary OS there are
different players with (probably?) different implementations of the
decryption. For debian there is libdvdcss2 (as pointed out before).

I have never heard of any other software that could play encrypted DVDs
on debian.

Cheers,
Johannes
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Re: What is the preferred way to install packages from testing/unstable in stable?

[go...@dobosevic.com]

So, I think the best solution is to ask developers to upload
swfdec-mozilla to debian-volatile and to support it there too.

What do you guys think?


I'm think you are right. This days most of end user's can't live without 
this things (messenger, flash etc.)and they very often change.


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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[Liviu Andronic]

On 8/21/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:
>  Don't know I don't have 64 just 32 :-(
>
Andrei, are you using 64 or 32 bits?
Liviu


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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[go...@dobosevic.com]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

On 8/21/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:

 Don't know I don't have 64 just 32 :-(


Andrei, are you using 64 or 32 bits?
Liviu



32, don't have 64 bit PC.

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Johannes]

Jochen Schulz wrote:
> That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your computer,
> you either have to run proprietary software (which contains a licensed
> descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key using something like
> libdvdcss. The latter may be illegal in some countries. But at least
> here in Germany, where I think it is technically illegal, I have never
> heard of someone being brought to court for using libvdvdcss.

Where did you get this information? I don't think that it is illegal to
play a legally obtained copy of a DVD in Germany or within the EU [1].

Cheers,
Johannes

[1] And I think that this explains why no-one has been reported to be
sued for it: it is not against the law!. (Despite the FUD launched by
companies with vested interests in increasing their sales.)



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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Giorgos Pallas]

Johannes wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>   
>> That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your computer,
>> you either have to run proprietary software (which contains a licensed
>> descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key using something like
>> libdvdcss. The latter may be illegal in some countries. But at least
>> here in Germany, where I think it is technically illegal, I have never
>> heard of someone being brought to court for using libvdvdcss.
>> 
>
> Where did you get this information? I don't think that it is illegal to
> play a legally obtained copy of a DVD in Germany or within the EU [1].
>
>   

Of course playing a legally obtained DVD in itself is not something
illegal. But technically speaking, in the course of playing it you may
break other laws, for example the DMCA which says if I am not mistaken 
that breaking an encryption scheme is illegal. This makes it illegal to
write a player that circumvents CSS in order to play that DVD you
purchased. BS IMHO. Anyway, I don't know the law stuff regarding
libdvdcss2. I guess it is legal in some countries, and in some not...

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Girish Kulkarni]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Jochen Schulz wrote:

That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your
computer, you either have to run proprietary software (which
contains a licensed descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key
using something like libdvdcss.


Thanks for explaining.  Although, if every DVD is CSS encrypted, I
should have needed libdvdcss to play even those DVDs that are region
marked ALL.  That doesn't happen -- I can play all those DVDs.  (Or
maybe, I happened to have only unencrypted DVDs till now.)

Will try installing libdvdcss later today and see if that helps me
play region 5 DVDs.  But another question: libdvdcss is GPL'ed; why is
it not in any of the Debian repositories then?  I'm also hoping to
find its legal status here in India.

Thanks,
Girish.

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Giorgos Pallas schreef:

Johannes wrote:

Jochen Schulz wrote:
  

That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your computer,
you either have to run proprietary software (which contains a licensed
descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key using something like
libdvdcss. The latter may be illegal in some countries. But at least
here in Germany, where I think it is technically illegal, I have never
heard of someone being brought to court for using libvdvdcss.


Where did you get this information? I don't think that it is illegal to
play a legally obtained copy of a DVD in Germany or within the EU [1].

  


Of course playing a legally obtained DVD in itself is not something
illegal. But technically speaking, in the course of playing it you may
break other laws, for example the DMCA which says if I am not mistaken 
that breaking an encryption scheme is illegal. This makes it illegal to

write a player that circumvents CSS in order to play that DVD you
purchased. BS IMHO. Anyway, I don't know the law stuff regarding
libdvdcss2. I guess it is legal in some countries, and in some not...

G.

From the libdvdcss-faq (http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.php)

Is libdvdcss legal?

The use and distribution of the libdvdcss library is controversial in a few 
countries such as the United States because of a law called the DMCA (Digital 
Millennium Copyright Act). If you are unsure about the legality of using and 
distributing this library in your country, please consult your lawyer.

So, ask you lawyer ;)

Sjoerd



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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Giorgos Pallas]

Girish Kulkarni wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your
>> computer, you either have to run proprietary software (which
>> contains a licensed descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key
>> using something like libdvdcss.
>
> Thanks for explaining.  Although, if every DVD is CSS encrypted, I
> should have needed libdvdcss to play even those DVDs that are region
> marked ALL.  That doesn't happen -- I can play all those DVDs.  (Or
> maybe, I happened to have only unencrypted DVDs till now.)
>
> Will try installing libdvdcss later today and see if that helps me
> play region 5 DVDs.  But another question: libdvdcss is GPL'ed; why is
> it not in any of the Debian repositories then?  I'm also hoping to
> find its legal status here in India.
>
> Thanks,
> Girish.
>

I guess because some of the repos are in USA and it is illegal there, so
they cannot host it...
I think that you can find it if you add in your sources.list the repo
you will find in this site: http://debian-multimedia.org/

G.


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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Giorgos Pallas]

Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>> ite a player that circumvents CSS in order to play that DVD you
>> purchased. BS IMHO. Anyway, I don't know the law stuff regarding
>> libdvdcss2. I guess it is legal in some countries, and in some not...
>>
>> G.
> From the libdvdcss-faq (http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.php)
>> Is libdvdcss legal?
>>
>> The use and distribution of the libdvdcss library is controversial in
>> a few countries such as the United States because of a law called the
>> DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). If you are unsure about the
>> legality of using and distributing this library in your country,
>> please consult your lawyer.
> So, ask you lawyer ;)
>
> Sjoerd
>


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need advice on scsi disk failure

[Long Wind]

I bought a scsi 50G disk a few years ago
The seller said it had been used on server for a long time
The scsi card used to warn that the disk will fail soon during boot
Then I change SCSI card firmware, the warning disappear
>From 5 days ago, the card often can't find disk during boot
It's no surprise because the light on scsi disk isn't on
I reconnect the power cable to scsi disk again and again
and then with some luck the disk works normally.
It seems that the power connection becomes loose
but I am afraid the disk is failing
My question is "Is that symptoms of scsi disk failure?"


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Amplify a wav file and join wav files under Lenny

[Josep M.]

Hello.

I need amplify 3db a lot of files, the best will be using linux command
line...there is any tool what can do this?

Also, I need join wav files from command line ...there is any tool what
can do this?

I use Debian Lenny.

Thanks
Kokolisso


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"Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

  (NOTE:  please ignore my earlier and utterly misinformed plea for
help.  turns out that, in attempting to mount /dev/sda1 as the alleged
root filesystem, the new 2.6 kernel was finding the external backup
hard drive at /dev/sda1.  no surprise that that wasn't bootable.
ack.)

  so now i'm getting what appears to be another common diagnostic as
seen in the subject line.  i can see that a common reason is the
remapping of device names from hda -> sda.  however, even under the
old 2.4 kernel on this upgraded etch system, the devices were accessed
via sda (megaraid raid controller).  so the advice to rename from hda
to sda isn't relevant.  (but is there something else about the
megaraid controller that might be relevant?  i've opened up the
relevant initrd image and it does in fact contain megaraid modules.)

  thoughts?  the last few lines of boot diagnostics are:

Done.
Begin: Mounting root file system ...
Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
Done.
Begin: Waiting for root file system ...

  then ... hang.  it's pretty clearly a problem in just
seeing/accessing the sole hard drive in the system.  i just can't see
what it is.

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Re: Cannot Login - Access Found!

[Raquel]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:57:50 +0200
Emanoil Kotsev  wrote:

> Raquel wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:59:39 -0500
> > Ron Johnson  wrote:
> > 
> >> > The machine has been hacked by someone using a Romanian IP
> >> > address and has been taken offline while I continue to
> >> > investigate.  Then I'll do a new install and rebuild.
> >> 
> >> How'd he get in?
> > 
> > I found it!  He got in through a vulnerability in Zen Cart.
> > 
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/35467/info
> > 
> 
> Cite: "Note that the issue occurs only when the 'admin' directory
> wasn't properly renamed during the installation process." 
> 
> is this true?
> 
> means your fault!
> 
> sorry and reagards
> 

Yeah.  I held a gun to his head and told him to break into my
computer and mess things up.  It's my fault the burglar broke into my
house because I locked all the doors with double dead-bolts but
didn't have a guard dog.

It's my fault because I don't go to the Zen Cart web site regularly.

-- 
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this is very unfair and insulting to the beasts: a beast can never be
so cruel as a man, so ingeniously, so artistically cruel.

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Re: need advice on scsi disk failure

[mitch]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:50:21 -0400
Long Wind  wrote:

> It's no surprise because the light on scsi disk isn't on
> I reconnect the power cable to scsi disk again and again
> and then with some luck the disk works normally.
> It seems that the power connection becomes loose

I had the same problem, scsi drives failing to start, shutting down
while running.

Bad power connector. The pins were not making proper contact at all
times.

Changed the connectors and the problem stopped.


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

  (NOTE:  please ignore my earlier and utterly misinformed plea for
help.  turns out that, in attempting to mount /dev/sda1 as the alleged
root filesystem, the new 2.6 kernel was finding the external backup
hard drive at /dev/sda1.  no surprise that that wasn't bootable.
ack.)

  so now i'm getting what appears to be another common diagnostic as
seen in the subject line.  i can see that a common reason is the
remapping of device names from hda -> sda.  however, even under the
old 2.4 kernel on this upgraded etch system, the devices were accessed
via sda (megaraid raid controller).  so the advice to rename from hda
to sda isn't relevant.  (but is there something else about the
megaraid controller that might be relevant?  i've opened up the
relevant initrd image and it does in fact contain megaraid modules.)

  thoughts?  the last few lines of boot diagnostics are:

Done.
Begin: Mounting root file system ...
Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
Done.
Begin: Waiting for root file system ...

  then ... hang.  it's pretty clearly a problem in just
seeing/accessing the sole hard drive in the system.  i just can't see
what it is.

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How about dig into your system with a live CD to see the device mapping 
in your system?
And by the way, have you ever upgraded a sarge system with 2.4 kernel to 
a 2.6 lenny system?

Will changing from hda to sda be sufficient?


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Re: need advice on scsi disk failure

[Long Wind]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:56 AM, mitch wrote:
>
> I had the same problem, scsi drives failing to start, shutting down
> while running.
>
> Bad power connector. The pins were not making proper contact at all
> times.
>
> Changed the connectors and the problem stopped.
>

Really?
I always think scsi cable and connector are durable component
I rarely touch these components
I will buy new ones
Thanks!


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day 写道:
> >   (NOTE:  please ignore my earlier and utterly misinformed plea
> > for help.  turns out that, in attempting to mount /dev/sda1 as the
> > alleged root filesystem, the new 2.6 kernel was finding the
> > external backup hard drive at /dev/sda1.  no surprise that that
> > wasn't bootable. ack.)
> >
> >   so now i'm getting what appears to be another common diagnostic
> > as seen in the subject line.  i can see that a common reason is
> > the remapping of device names from hda -> sda.  however, even
> > under the old 2.4 kernel on this upgraded etch system, the devices
> > were accessed via sda (megaraid raid controller).  so the advice
> > to rename from hda to sda isn't relevant.  (but is there something
> > else about the megaraid controller that might be relevant?  i've
> > opened up the relevant initrd image and it does in fact contain
> > megaraid modules.)
> >
> >   thoughts?  the last few lines of boot diagnostics are:
> >
> > Done.
> > Begin: Mounting root file system ...
> > Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
> > Done.
> > Begin: Waiting for root file system ...
> >
> > then ... hang.  it's pretty clearly a problem in just
> > seeing/accessing the sole hard drive in the system.  i just can't
> > see what it is.

> How about dig into your system with a live CD to see the device
> mapping in your system?

  already did that with a gentoo-based rescue CD, the current "sda"
nomenclature worked just fine.  i could mount /dev/sda1, and it is the
root filesystem i'm going after, and it's what's in the grub conf
file.

> And by the way, have you ever upgraded a sarge system with 2.4
> kernel to a 2.6 lenny system?

  that is the *ultimate* goal, but i'm doing this in steps.  on the
chance that it's the default 2.6.18 etch kernel, i just upgraded that
to the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel.  we'll see if that fixes things.

> Will changing from hda to sda be sufficient?

  even the 2.4.27 kernel under sarge was using "sda" notation already,
since the single hard drive was on a megaraid controller.  so the
standard solution of s/hda/sda/g wasn't relevant here.  anyway, time
to test the newly-installed 2.6.24 kernel.  we'll see if that fixed
anything.

rday

p.s.  this system started out as a not-fully-upgraded sarge system.
in steps, i brought it up to a fully-upgraded etch system but still
running the 2.4.27 kernel, after which i followed the docs to upgrade
the kernel to the default 2.6.18 etch kernel.  and that's when things
failed to boot.  so, just for the heck of it, i installed the 2.6.24
etchnhalf kernel as well.  now we'll see.

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Re: need advice on scsi disk failure

[mitch]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:35:25 -0400
Long Wind  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:56 AM, mitch
> wrote:
> >
> > I had the same problem, scsi drives failing to start, shutting down
> > while running.
> >
> > Bad power connector. The pins were not making proper contact at all
> > times.
> >
> > Changed the connectors and the problem stopped.
> >
> 
> Really?
> I always think scsi cable and connector are durable component
> I rarely touch these components
> I will buy new ones
> Thanks!

That's what I found. The pins are metal and heat causes metal to
expand and the scsi drives can get warm and the heat gets transferred
to the pins. 


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

  

Robert P. J. Day 写道:


  (NOTE:  please ignore my earlier and utterly misinformed plea
for help.  turns out that, in attempting to mount /dev/sda1 as the
alleged root filesystem, the new 2.6 kernel was finding the
external backup hard drive at /dev/sda1.  no surprise that that
wasn't bootable. ack.)

  so now i'm getting what appears to be another common diagnostic
as seen in the subject line.  i can see that a common reason is
the remapping of device names from hda -> sda.  however, even
under the old 2.4 kernel on this upgraded etch system, the devices
were accessed via sda (megaraid raid controller).  so the advice
to rename from hda to sda isn't relevant.  (but is there something
else about the megaraid controller that might be relevant?  i've
opened up the relevant initrd image and it does in fact contain
megaraid modules.)

  thoughts?  the last few lines of boot diagnostics are:

Done.
Begin: Mounting root file system ...
Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...
Done.
Begin: Waiting for root file system ...

then ... hang.  it's pretty clearly a problem in just
seeing/accessing the sole hard drive in the system.  i just can't
see what it is.
  


  

How about dig into your system with a live CD to see the device
mapping in your system?



  already did that with a gentoo-based rescue CD, the current "sda"
nomenclature worked just fine.  i could mount /dev/sda1, and it is the
root filesystem i'm going after, and it's what's in the grub conf
file.

  

And by the way, have you ever upgraded a sarge system with 2.4
kernel to a 2.6 lenny system?



  that is the *ultimate* goal, but i'm doing this in steps.  on the
chance that it's the default 2.6.18 etch kernel, i just upgraded that
to the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel.  we'll see if that fixes things.

  

Will changing from hda to sda be sufficient?



  even the 2.4.27 kernel under sarge was using "sda" notation already,
since the single hard drive was on a megaraid controller.  so the
standard solution of s/hda/sda/g wasn't relevant here.  anyway, time
to test the newly-installed 2.6.24 kernel.  we'll see if that fixed
anything.

rday

p.s.  this system started out as a not-fully-upgraded sarge system.
in steps, i brought it up to a fully-upgraded etch system but still
running the 2.4.27 kernel, after which i followed the docs to upgrade
the kernel to the default 2.6.18 etch kernel.  and that's when things
failed to boot.  so, just for the heck of it, i installed the 2.6.24
etchnhalf kernel as well.  now we'll see.

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Have you ever run update-initramfs command manually on the pre-compiled 
kernel?

I remember that I fixed such a problem once.
Hope this will help. And look forward to your feedback.


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   that is the *ultimate* goal, but i'm doing this in steps.  on the
> chance that it's the default 2.6.18 etch kernel, i just upgraded that
> to the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel.  we'll see if that fixes things.

  upgrading to the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel didn't fix anything, same
error at same location.

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

> Have you ever run update-initramfs command manually on the
> pre-compiled kernel? I remember that I fixed such a problem once.
> Hope this will help. And look forward to your feedback.

  nope -- as i mentioned earlier, i'm fairly new to debian so a good
deal of this i'm doing for the first time.  i'm certainly willing to
try this and, to play it safe, i'll try to update *only* the initramfs
for that earlier 2.6.18 kernel (i don't want to touch the working
initrd for the 2.4.27 kernel, for obvious reasons).

  is it as simple as

  # update-initramfs -k 2.6.18

???

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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Jochen Schulz]

Johannes:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>
>> That means if you want to play a legally bought DVD on your computer,
>> you either have to run proprietary software (which contains a licensed
>> descrambler) or you have to crack the CSS key using something like
>> libdvdcss. The latter may be illegal in some countries. But at least
>> here in Germany, where I think it is technically illegal, I have never
>> heard of someone being brought to court for using libvdvdcss.
> 
> Where did you get this information? I don't think that it is illegal to
> play a legally obtained copy of a DVD in Germany or within the EU [1].

I was referring to §95a UrhG. I wouldn't bet my money on the fact that
using libdvdcss is legally safe. I don't think that it is a big risk.
But that doesn't mean it's legal to do so.

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Re: [SOLVED]what sets the time at boot?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2009-08-20 18:42 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Sven Joachim wrote:




Wait! There is a sequence!

So hwclock from util-linux-ng 2.16 needs /dev/rtc0 to function. If that 
is not around because in the kernel Device Drivers -> Real Time Clock is 
*not* set then the clock will not be set/saved with disastrous results.


But even so, if you are running chrony, there is still problems with 
saving the clock: at the moment the clock is saved chrony is still 
running and has /dev/rtc0 allocated so hwclock fails!


Solution: in /etc/rc0.d + rc6.d chrony is K83 and hwclock K25 so reset 
chrony to K24 instead.


I believe this to be a bug, Isn't it?

Funny that nobody runs into it.

Hugo


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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Johannes]

Giorgos Pallas wrote:
> Of course playing a legally obtained DVD in itself is not something
> illegal. But technically speaking, in the course of playing it you may
> break other laws, for example the DMCA which says if I am not mistaken 
> that breaking an encryption scheme is illegal. This makes it illegal to
> write a player that circumvents CSS in order to play that DVD you
> purchased. 

IANAL, etc. *but* IIRC, the German law says something along the lines of
"breaking an encryption that is technically effective is illegal". When
this law was passed libdvdcss was already in existence and therefore no
one ever 'broke' an effective encryption scheme, since the time that law
has been passed in Germany (and similar laws in EU).

The fact that the companies spend s much money on FUD campaigns,
while no one of those thousands alleged to break the law has been sued,
seems to support my claim.

Cheers,
Johannes


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Re: how to migrate request-tracker database from sqlite3 to mysql

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>>Yeah, somehow SQL does not seem to be really "S"tandard :-)
>>
>> The "S" in SQL stands/stood for "Structured".  [...]
>>
>> In short, most SQL you will find is not strictly-conforming, just like
>> most shell scripts and C/C++ programs.
>
>hehe, I was thinking (because reading about standardization of SQL) it
>stands for standard.
>Thanks for pointing out.
>
>I've been playing with import/export sqlite - mysql/oracle.
>Exporting only simple sql structure works (no indices and funktions).

Functions are a real issue.  I believe there's some allowances for them in 
the standard, but the function body usually ends up being implementation 
specific.

Plain indexes should be able to be pulled over fairly easily, though.  
Unless you are using some odd index type (e.g.: Oracle's bit-mask index 
type), it should have come over easily enough.

Also, some *SQL products do not implement the whole of the standard or an 
older version[1], which causes more problems for portability of SQL code.
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Re: 2.6.30 ->ath5K does not load at start

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <200908211029.38273.tchate...@free.fr>, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>On Friday 21 August 2009 10:16:41 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>> Hi,
>> After upgrade, my squeede does not start the wifi. I have to do a
>> modprobe to get it going. It is OK with kernel 2.6.28.
>> Any tips??
>> Thierry
>
>Same as first, but with a "f" in wifi.

And a "z" instead of a "d" in "squeeze"?

I'm not in front of a Debian system right now, but there should be something 
in /etc/mod* to auto-load modules during the boot sequence.
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Re: 2.6.30 -> Brightness does not work

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <200908211043.44820.tchate...@free.fr>, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>On Friday 21 August 2009 10:28:20 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>> Next problem (and last) I have is that I cannot set the brightness on my
>> laptop. Kpowersave setting indicate: Your Hardware currently not support
>> changing the brightness o your display.
>> What is missing, as it works with kernel 2.6.28?
>
>I found that:
>~$ dmesg |grep brightness
>[   26.758710] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid
> [20090320]

That looks like either the kernel is reading from the wrong place or the 
hardware is providing the wrong value.  You might want to follow up with 
some kernel hackers.

>What to do now?

You might try reading/setting some of these values:
/sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
/sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness
/sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness
/sys/module/video/parameters/brightness_switch_enabled

Perhaps it will work if your brightness is less than the max_brightness.
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Re: Cannot Login - Access Found!

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Raquel wrote:

>> 
>> Cite: "Note that the issue occurs only when the 'admin' directory
>> wasn't properly renamed during the installation process." 
>> 
>> is this true?
>> 
>> means your fault!
>> 
>> sorry and reagards
>> 
> 
> Yeah.  I held a gun to his head and told him to break into my
> computer and mess things up.  It's my fault the burglar broke into my
> house because I locked all the doors with double dead-bolts but
> didn't have a guard dog.
> 
> It's my fault because I don't go to the Zen Cart web site regularly.
> 

sorry didn't mean to insult you in any way.

young inpatient programmers ... what else I could say.

I also doubt I, myself, am well protected.

head up! sh*t happens!

regards

PS: If you were wise to make backups and know exactly when they broke in,
you also know how they got in, you could save time by starting over at some
previous point of time.




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Re: Cannot Login - Access Found!

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20090821061430.b95afcb6.raq...@thericehouse.net>, Raquel wrote:
>Emanoil Kotsev  wrote:
>> Raquel wrote:
>> > Ron Johnson  wrote:
>> >> Raquel wrote:
>> >> > The machine has been hacked by someone using a Romanian IP
>> >>
>> >> How'd he get in?
>> >
>> > I found it!  He got in through a vulnerability in Zen Cart.
>> >
>> > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/35467/info
>>
>> Cite: "Note that the issue occurs only when the 'admin' directory
>> wasn't properly renamed during the installation process." 
>>
>> is this true?
>>
>> means your fault!
>
>Yeah.  I held a gun to his head and told him to break into my
>computer and mess things up.  It's my fault the burglar broke into my
>house because I locked all the doors with double dead-bolts but
>didn't have a guard dog.

More like you locked all the doors, but left one window open.

Still, I think that the point was that it is not a Debian security issue 
since Zen Cart isn't even packaged.  It's also not strictly a Zen Cart issue 
because they did everything they could once the vulnerability was found -- 
they can't fix your system for you, they can only notify you of the issues 
as they are discovered.

>It's my fault because I don't go to the Zen Cart web site regularly.

Yes-ish.  If you are installing software in a secure environment you should 
follow security notifications about the software so you can assess any new 
threads and patch/reconfigure your system as need be.  Security is a 
process, not a product.

No once is trying to take the blame away from the Romanian cracker.  He or 
she took an active role in activities that robbed your of time and 
resources, and should be held accountable.  However, we (or at least I) wish 
to deflect blame from Debian or Zen Cart.
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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:
> 
>> Have you ever run update-initramfs command manually on the
>> pre-compiled kernel? I remember that I fixed such a problem once.
>> Hope this will help. And look forward to your feedback.
> 
>   nope -- as i mentioned earlier, i'm fairly new to debian so a good
> deal of this i'm doing for the first time.  i'm certainly willing to
> try this and, to play it safe, i'll try to update *only* the initramfs
> for that earlier 2.6.18 kernel (i don't want to touch the working
> initrd for the 2.4.27 kernel, for obvious reasons).
> 
>   is it as simple as
> 
>   # update-initramfs -k 2.6.18
> 
> ???

Hi, I'm using custom kernel but I played also with the default one. I
already posted once that there is a problem with the update-initramfs ro
the make equivalent. The problem is  that if you are using let say 2.6.18
and upgrade to 2.6.24 the program is using the information available to the
system (which modules would be included in the initrd disk). So if I haved
some module compiled in in 2.6.18 it will not be included in the new
initrd.

Seems that here the opposite happens. You get your megaraid drivers included
and you don't want to have them in. I'm not sure if blacklist is working in
initram. I think it's safe to remove them from the archive. The other think
would be possibly to set the bios not to map the magaraid device to the
first bootable.

and last but not least it's pretty tricky to boot broken initram but not too
hard if you know the steps.

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Emanoil Kotsev 写道:

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

  

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:



Have you ever run update-initramfs command manually on the
pre-compiled kernel? I remember that I fixed such a problem once.
Hope this will help. And look forward to your feedback.
  

  nope -- as i mentioned earlier, i'm fairly new to debian so a good
deal of this i'm doing for the first time.  i'm certainly willing to
try this and, to play it safe, i'll try to update *only* the initramfs
for that earlier 2.6.18 kernel (i don't want to touch the working
initrd for the 2.4.27 kernel, for obvious reasons).

  is it as simple as

  # update-initramfs -k 2.6.18

???



Hi, I'm using custom kernel but I played also with the default one. I
already posted once that there is a problem with the update-initramfs ro
the make equivalent. The problem is  that if you are using let say 2.6.18
and upgrade to 2.6.24 the program is using the information available to the
system (which modules would be included in the initrd disk). So if I haved
some module compiled in in 2.6.18 it will not be included in the new
initrd.

Seems that here the opposite happens. You get your megaraid drivers included
and you don't want to have them in. I'm not sure if blacklist is working in
initram. I think it's safe to remove them from the archive. The other think
would be possibly to set the bios not to map the magaraid device to the
first bootable.

and last but not least it's pretty tricky to boot broken initram but not too
hard if you know the steps.
  

Would you please say something about this?
Or any useful link that can be referenced?

regards


  



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Re: how to migrate request-tracker database from sqlite3 to mysql

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>>> In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
Yeah, somehow SQL does not seem to be really "S"tandard :-)
>>>
>>> The "S" in SQL stands/stood for "Structured".  [...]
>>>
>>> In short, most SQL you will find is not strictly-conforming, just like
>>> most shell scripts and C/C++ programs.
>>
>>hehe, I was thinking (because reading about standardization of SQL) it
>>stands for standard.
>>Thanks for pointing out.
>>
>>I've been playing with import/export sqlite - mysql/oracle.
>>Exporting only simple sql structure works (no indices and funktions).
> 
> Functions are a real issue.  I believe there's some allowances for them in
> the standard, but the function body usually ends up being implementation
> specific.
> 
> Plain indexes should be able to be pulled over fairly easily, though.
> Unless you are using some odd index type (e.g.: Oracle's bit-mask index
> type), it should have come over easily enough.
> 
> Also, some *SQL products do not implement the whole of the standard or an
> older version[1], which causes more problems for portability of SQL code.

yeah tell me about that ... you ever tried to migrate oracle to oracle
higher/lower version?!

... so programmers can be kept buzzy :-) otherways we could have an AI
engine about 10 years ago.

functions are a big pain because PL/SQL is proprietary ... then there was
the pgSQL coming close to PL/SQL but not exactly ... and so on, so I'm
wondering where the world and we are going. especially open source
community could be more standard oriented.

Perhaps we have to ask w3c to provide a markup for database and leave all
this "pretty close" sql sh*t.

However I learned years ago something useful about databases. You have to
plan the size, speed, scalability, functionality etc. _before_ you start
using whatever database.
You have to check export/import _before_ you start using whatever database.
You better simulate database corruption _before_ you start using whatever
database and so on.

sd story but at the time after Columbus there were also no planes ;-)

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

  ok, here's what i think i've discovered (given that, again, i'm a
relative newcomer to debian), so i'm going to ask some dumb questions
which might go a long way to clarifying some things.

  no matter what i tried, when i booted this (recently upgraded to)
etch system to the newly-installed 2.6 kernel (either 2.6.18 or
2.6.24, either original or rebuilt), i got:

  Waiting for root file system...

and it hung, with all evidence pointing to the fact that the booting
system simply couldn't see the hard drive, which it could see under
the earlier (devfs-enabled) 2.4.27 kernel given the right megaraid
drivers being loaded in that earlier kernel.

  so i ripped open the initrd file (something i have done
many, many times under other circumstances), and went looking for
the script that printed "Waiting for root file system...", which i
found at scripts/local, specifically this excerpt:

=

# If the root device hasn't shown up yet, give it a little while
# to deal with removable devices
if [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; then
log_begin_msg "Waiting for root file system..."

# Default delay is 180s
if [ -z "${ROOTDELAY}" ]; then
slumber=180
else
slumber=${ROOTDELAY}
fi
if [ -x /sbin/usplash_write ]; then
/sbin/usplash_write "TIMEOUT ${slumber}" || true
fi

slumber=$(( ${slumber} * 10 ))
while [ ${slumber} -gt 0 ] && [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; do
/bin/sleep 0.1
slumber=$(( ${slumber} - 1 ))
done

if [ ${slumber} -gt 0 ]; then
log_end_msg 0
else
log_end_msg 1 || true
fi
if [ -x /sbin/usplash_write ]; then
/sbin/usplash_write "TIMEOUT 15" || true
fi
fi

# We've given up, but we'll let the user fix matters if they can
while [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; do
echo "  Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline"
echo "  or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev"
panic "ALERT!  ${ROOT} does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
done

=

  that's when i noticed the 180 second delay, and since i'd never
actually waited that long previously, this time i was patient and,
sure enough, after 3 minutes, i got those diagnostics shown at the
end and dumped into busybox.

  and once i was in busybox, i verified that:

* there were no /dev/sda* entries
* /proc/cmdline did indeed contain "root=/dev/sda1", which is
  correct
* the modules megaraid_mm and megaraid_mbox were loaded
* there are no megaraid rules in /etc/udev

  this seems to be a pretty clear indication that i just need to add
a udev rule file for the megaraid modules to create the /dev/sda*
entries, yes?  because without *something* creating those /dev/sda*
entries, i'm pretty well doomed to failure, yes?

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RE: need advice on scsi disk failure

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: longwind2...@gmail.com
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: need advice on scsi disk failure
>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:50:21 -0400
>
>>I bought a scsi 50G disk a few years ago
>>The seller said it had been used on server for a long time
>>The scsi card used to warn that the disk will fail soon during boot
>>Then I change SCSI card firmware, the warning disappear
>>>From 5 days ago, the card often can't find disk during boot
>>It's no surprise because the light on scsi disk isn't on
>>I reconnect the power cable to scsi disk again and again
>>and then with some luck the disk works normally.
>>It seems that the power connection becomes loose
>>but I am afraid the disk is failing
>>My question is "Is that symptoms of scsi disk failure?"
>>
The conventional approach is first to clean the contacts on the
connector and the card (some alcohol on a cotton swab for the
connector and a pencil eraser for the card contacts) and try again. 
If that doesn't work go to "plan B" (run a complete disk diagnostic
regularly-if the problem is the connector then the disk diagnostic
will only fail when the connector isn't inserted fully; if the
problem is NOT the connector then the disk diagnostic should pick up
the problem).
L
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Re: encrypted DVDs on Lenny

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Johannes schreef:

Giorgos Pallas wrote:

Of course playing a legally obtained DVD in itself is not something
illegal. But technically speaking, in the course of playing it you may
break other laws, for example the DMCA which says if I am not mistaken 
that breaking an encryption scheme is illegal. This makes it illegal to

write a player that circumvents CSS in order to play that DVD you
purchased. 


IANAL, etc. *but* IIRC, the German law says something along the lines of
"breaking an encryption that is technically effective is illegal". When
this law was passed libdvdcss was already in existence and therefore no
one ever 'broke' an effective encryption scheme, since the time that law
has been passed in Germany (and similar laws in EU).

The fact that the companies spend s much money on FUD campaigns,
while no one of those thousands alleged to break the law has been sued,
seems to support my claim.
It can be even more fun. In the Netherlands (and many other countries) 
it is legal to make a copy of music or movies for personal use. So, 
copying a cd to your hard drive is legal, as is downloading a cd from 
your neighbour (however, your neighbour, offering the files, is breaking 
the law). It can be argued that schemes put in place to avoid the right 
of making a copy for personal use are illegal. Having copy-protection 
schemes has been challenged in court, but changes in the law legalized 
copyright protection. Yet, getting a conviction for breaking these 
protection schemes for personal use will be very hard in most European 
courts.


Sjoerd

@Giorgos
So, ask you lawyer  ;) 
>

> Sjoerd
>




From this answer, the crucial part is the emoticon!



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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Niu Kun wrote:

>> and last but not least it's pretty tricky to boot broken initram but not
>> too hard if you know the steps.
>>   
> Would you please say something about this?
> Or any useful link that can be referenced?
>> regards

First of all I would try to provide the root kernel option. If you know your
root is now on sdb1 you could say root=/dev/sdb1 (see step 1 below). This
should work.

The harder way is, assuming you have bootable kernel and initrd, to run the
shell instead of executing the init file

1) you have something in the bootloader (here grub as example)

root(hd0,0)
kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.30eko2 quiet ro splash
initrd  /initrd-2.6.30eko2

1a) press 'e' for edit

1b) move to kernel line and press 'e' for edit again

1c) write at the end of the line

init=/bin/sh

1d) press enter

1e) press "b" (for boot)

=> you are in the limited shell

2) here identify your disk (start mds. lvm crypt or whatever)
mount -t proc none /proc

3) mount root somewhere 
mkdir /new
mount -ro  /new
cd /new

4) (you could actually do anything with your system at this stage, because
you have all the commands, so) type following to run through the boot
process

exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /bin/sh <<- EOF >dev/console 2>&1
exec /sbin/init ${CMDLINE}
EOF

the three lines above are just great. I don't remember if it was used before
in debian or somewhere else, where I've got it years ago.

now debian is using

exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console
>${rootmnt}/dev/console

Which you may prefer, but have to decifer what all those variables are good
for

5) after booting your system recreate initrd (update/mkinitramfs)
(watch out to backup the initrd with which you could at least reach the
limited shell), so if the new one does not work you can repeat the
procedure.

I hope this helps

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Emanoil Kotsev 写道:

Niu Kun wrote:

  

and last but not least it's pretty tricky to boot broken initram but not
too hard if you know the steps.
  
  

Would you please say something about this?
Or any useful link that can be referenced?


regards
  


First of all I would try to provide the root kernel option. If you know your
root is now on sdb1 you could say root=/dev/sdb1 (see step 1 below). This
should work.

The harder way is, assuming you have bootable kernel and initrd, to run the
shell instead of executing the init file

1) you have something in the bootloader (here grub as example)

root(hd0,0)
kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.30eko2 quiet ro splash
initrd  /initrd-2.6.30eko2

1a) press 'e' for edit

1b) move to kernel line and press 'e' for edit again

1c) write at the end of the line

init=/bin/sh

1d) press enter

1e) press "b" (for boot)

=> you are in the limited shell

2) here identify your disk (start mds. lvm crypt or whatever)
mount -t proc none /proc

3) mount root somewhere 
mkdir /new

mount -ro  /new
cd /new

4) (you could actually do anything with your system at this stage, because
you have all the commands, so) type following to run through the boot
process

exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /bin/sh <<- EOF >dev/console 2>&1
exec /sbin/init ${CMDLINE}
EOF

the three lines above are just great. I don't remember if it was used before
in debian or somewhere else, where I've got it years ago.

now debian is using

exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console
  

${rootmnt}/dev/console



Which you may prefer, but have to decifer what all those variables are good
for

5) after booting your system recreate initrd (update/mkinitramfs)
(watch out to backup the initrd with which you could at least reach the
limited shell), so if the new one does not work you can repeat the
procedure.

I hope this helps

regards






  

Pretty cool.
Really appreciate your detailed reply.


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how to install openmotif dev package in lenny

[tanushyam bhattacharjee]

I need to install openmotif development package in lenny.I have tried several 
package suggested in internet but nothing works properly.I noticed if it 
installs properly,in usr/X11R6 contains a lib folder along with several related 
files.
Pls suggest the way to do it




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Re: inline JPGs

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-21 05:58, Adam Hardy wrote:

Mihira Fernando on 17/08/09 14:29, wrote:

On Monday 17 August 2009 06:42:41 pm Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-16 09:58, Mihira Fernando wrote:

On Sunday 16 August 2009 08:22:57 pm Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-16 05:15, Mihira Fernando wrote:
[snip]


Also :
Folder -> Preffer HTML to Plain Text

Except that this is a crime against humanity, besides being contrary
to published debian-user netiquette.

In that case, inline JPGs are a crime against humanity as well..

Not true, at least in Tbird, where displaying inline images is
independent from presenting emails in text or html mode.
Then some skulduggery is involved in TBird's text only mode since to 
render  an inline jpeg (embedded or linked),inline with the mail 
content, the mode has to be go away from text only and enter html mode



TBird doesn't display images to me in text-only mode. They appear as 
attachments. Is this some setting you can set?


View->"Message Body As"->"Plain Text"
View->"Display Attachments Inline"   <<< make sure this is Checked

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Niu Kun wrote:

>>
>>
>>   
> Pretty cool.
> Really appreciate your detailed reply.
> 
> 

NP. hope it helps or gives you at least an idea how I'm doing this.
I've had several times related issues as I've been using raid/lvm and also
encryption, so years ago I wrote my own scripts to create initrd etc... and
despite debian improved and I'm not using it, it's still good to know.

regards

PS: It's pretty hot here (friday afternoon) and I gave my part to the
community ;-) ... think it's getting party time soon though.


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Re: 2.6.30 ->ath5K does not load at start [SOLVED]

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 21 August 2009 17:00:52 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <200908211029.38273.tchate...@free.fr>, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >On Friday 21 August 2009 10:16:41 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> After upgrade, my squeede does not start the wifi. I have to do a
> >> modprobe to get it going. It is OK with kernel 2.6.28.
> >> Any tips??
> >> Thierry
> >
> >Same as first, but with a "f" in wifi.
>
> And a "z" instead of a "d" in "squeeze"?
Oh well, well.

Purging madwifi did the job.
Thanks for the answer anyway.
Thierry


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

  ok, here's what i think i've discovered (given that, again, i'm a
relative newcomer to debian), so i'm going to ask some dumb questions
which might go a long way to clarifying some things.

  no matter what i tried, when i booted this (recently upgraded to)
etch system to the newly-installed 2.6 kernel (either 2.6.18 or
2.6.24, either original or rebuilt), i got:

  Waiting for root file system...

and it hung, with all evidence pointing to the fact that the booting
system simply couldn't see the hard drive, which it could see under
the earlier (devfs-enabled) 2.4.27 kernel given the right megaraid
drivers being loaded in that earlier kernel.

  so i ripped open the initrd file (something i have done
many, many times under other circumstances), and went looking for
the script that printed "Waiting for root file system...", which i
found at scripts/local, specifically this excerpt:

=

# If the root device hasn't shown up yet, give it a little while
# to deal with removable devices
if [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; then
log_begin_msg "Waiting for root file system..."

# Default delay is 180s
if [ -z "${ROOTDELAY}" ]; then
slumber=180
else
slumber=${ROOTDELAY}
fi
if [ -x /sbin/usplash_write ]; then
/sbin/usplash_write "TIMEOUT ${slumber}" || true
fi

slumber=$(( ${slumber} * 10 ))
while [ ${slumber} -gt 0 ] && [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; do
/bin/sleep 0.1
slumber=$(( ${slumber} - 1 ))
done

if [ ${slumber} -gt 0 ]; then
log_end_msg 0
else
log_end_msg 1 || true
fi
if [ -x /sbin/usplash_write ]; then
/sbin/usplash_write "TIMEOUT 15" || true
fi
fi

# We've given up, but we'll let the user fix matters if they can
while [ ! -e "${ROOT}" ]; do
echo " Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline"
echo " or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls 
/dev"
panic "ALERT!  ${ROOT} does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
done

=

  that's when i noticed the 180 second delay, and since i'd never
actually waited that long previously, this time i was patient and,
sure enough, after 3 minutes, i got those diagnostics shown at the
end and dumped into busybox.

  and once i was in busybox, i verified that:

* there were no /dev/sda* entries
* /proc/cmdline did indeed contain "root=/dev/sda1", which is
  correct
* the modules megaraid_mm and megaraid_mbox were loaded
* there are no megaraid rules in /etc/udev

  this seems to be a pretty clear indication that i just need to add
a udev rule file for the megaraid modules to create the /dev/sda*
entries, yes?  because without *something* creating those /dev/sda*
entries, i'm pretty well doomed to failure, yes?

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So here, your best choice seems to try.
here's my z60_hdparm.rules file:
ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="[sh]d[a-z]", 
RUN+="/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug"

Hope this helps.

At least it's been working with me for at least one year without any 
problem.

I'm using debian testing branch.
But etch's udev seems to be 0.105.
Mine is 0.125.
Don't know if the rule is the same.


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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

(with respect to getting my /dev/sda* device files built)

> So here, your best choice seems to try.
> here's my z60_hdparm.rules file:

  i'm assuming that's a brand new rules file, right?  not just adding
to an existing rules file since i have no such file.

> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="[sh]d[a-z]", 
> RUN+="/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug"
> Hope this helps.

  um ... i have no config file /etc/init.d/hdparm.  at all.  does that
belong to a package i should install?  and would that explain why i
have no hdparm udev rules file?

> At least it's been working with me for at least one year without any problem.
> I'm using debian testing branch.
> But etch's udev seems to be 0.105.
> Mine is 0.125.
> Don't know if the rule is the same.

  on this system, it's 0.105.  and i'm assuming that, after i modify
my udev rules, i have to rebuild my initrd, yes?  do i understand
correctly that that would bundle my entire udev directory inside the
initrd, so that i get the effect of those changes?  that would make
sense.

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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:
>
> (with respect to getting my /dev/sda* device files built)
>
> > So here, your best choice seems to try.
> > here's my z60_hdparm.rules file:
>
>   i'm assuming that's a brand new rules file, right?  not just adding
> to an existing rules file since i have no such file.
>
> > ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="[sh]d[a-z]", 
> > RUN+="/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug"
> > Hope this helps.
>
>   um ... i have no config file /etc/init.d/hdparm.  at all.  does that
> belong to a package i should install?  and would that explain why i
> have no hdparm udev rules file?

  i just installed the "hdparm" package and i now have all of the
above.  but i still need to verify that i have to recreate my initrd
with that new content, otherwise it won't do me any good just sitting
on the hard drive, correct?

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hp p800 array 64bit from 32bit grub errors

[Scott H]

I recently had a server running Debian 32bit being the latest version 4. The 
server had the alternate kernel to get more memory recognized. I decided it was 
time to upgrade to the debian with 64bit 5.01. It now is having problems 
running grub, at first it was giving me the grub error 2 which if i am correct 
means it cannot find the disk to boot. I then tried the 5.02a version which is 
the latest and i now get Grub Grub print out. I have tried to go into the 
console via the recovery mode and it gives a invalid partition table. So now I 
tried to just reinstall the 32bit back on and does not work. Does anyone else 
have problems like this? is it the array card that is not supported? It does 
not make any sense that it was working on 32bit and now wont work at all. 
Thanks for any help and responses.

-Scott

Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

  

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

(with respect to getting my /dev/sda* device files built)



So here, your best choice seems to try.
here's my z60_hdparm.rules file:
  

  i'm assuming that's a brand new rules file, right?  not just adding
to an existing rules file since i have no such file.



ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="[sh]d[a-z]", RUN+="/etc/init.d/hdparm 
hotplug"
Hope this helps.
  

  um ... i have no config file /etc/init.d/hdparm.  at all.  does that
belong to a package i should install?  and would that explain why i
have no hdparm udev rules file?



  i just installed the "hdparm" package and i now have all of the
above.  but i still need to verify that i have to recreate my initrd
with that new content, otherwise it won't do me any good just sitting
on the hard drive, correct?
  

You're right at least for me.:)
Wish you good luck.

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Re: 2.6.30 -> Brightness does not work

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 21 August 2009 17:04:43 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <200908211043.44820.tchate...@free.fr>, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
SNIP
> >I found that:
> >~$ dmesg |grep brightness
> >[   26.758710] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid
> > [20090320]
>
> That looks like either the kernel is reading from the wrong place or the
> hardware is providing the wrong value.  You might want to follow up with
> some kernel hackers.
>
> >What to do now?
>
> You might try reading/setting some of these values:
> /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
> /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness
> /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness
> /sys/module/video/parameters/brightness_switch_enabled
>
> Perhaps it will work if your brightness is less than the max_brightness. 

I don't have a backlight folder there!!
As for brightness_switch_enabled, it says "y", so i guess it's OK.
When the laptop starts, it seems to me that the brightness is set as a random 
value, sometime very bright, sometimes very dime.

I searched that:
dmesg |grep video
[7.017030] acer-wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video driver
[   26.973449] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]
A web search on acer-wmi gave me:
http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/laptops/acer-wmi.txt
where the developer ask for direct information from people having trouble with 
this module. So I will contact him directly and let the list know about the 
outcome. 
Thank you
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Re: "Waiting for root file system ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day 写道:
> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:
> > >
> > > (with respect to getting my /dev/sda* device files built)
> > >
> > >
> > > > So here, your best choice seems to try.
> > > > here's my z60_hdparm.rules file:
> > > >
> > >   i'm assuming that's a brand new rules file, right?  not just adding
> > > to an existing rules file since i have no such file.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="[sh]d[a-z]",
> > > > RUN+="/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug"
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > >   um ... i have no config file /etc/init.d/hdparm.  at all.  does that
> > > belong to a package i should install?  and would that explain why i
> > > have no hdparm udev rules file?
> > >
> >
> >   i just installed the "hdparm" package and i now have all of the
> > above.  but i still need to verify that i have to recreate my
> > initrd with that new content, otherwise it won't do me any good
> > just sitting on the hard drive, correct?
> >
> You're right at least for me.:)
> Wish you good luck.

  nope, that failed, and here's why: there's no /etc/init.d directory
in the initrd.  /etc/udev is there, and the hdparm-related files are
there in /etc/udev, and they look correct, but how could that possibly
have any effect unless the corresponding /etc/init.d/hdparm script was
in the initrd as well?  i only noticed that after the boot once again
timed out, fell into busybox, after which i tried to run

  # /etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug

manually, and noticed it was missing.

  how is this supposed to work without that script in the initrd?  or
am i just totally confused by now?

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Re: how to migrate request-tracker database from sqlite3 to mysql

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 In , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>Yeah, somehow SQL does not seem to be really "S"tandard :-)

 The "S" in SQL stands/stood for "Structured".  [...]
>>>
>>>hehe, I was thinking (because reading about standardization of SQL) it
>>>stands for standard.
>>>
>> Functions are a real issue.  I believe there's some allowances for them
>> in the standard, but the function body usually ends up being
>> implementation specific.
>
>yeah tell me about that ... you ever tried to migrate oracle to oracle
>higher/lower version?!

No, thank $DEITY.  I had a couple of jobs involving Oracle, but I tend to 
avoid anything were I have to deal with too much proprietary software.

>... so programmers can be kept buzzy :-) otherways we could have an AI
>engine about 10 years ago.

Weak AI has existed for more than 10 years.

Strong AI is still a pipe dream.  It's not "just" a issue of time, we don't 
really have an idea what goes into a system like that.  We don't know how to 
imbue consciousness (or if that's just an illusion of complex interactions) 
or even how to write a general learning system that can both expand it's own 
scope with "meta"-assertions and operate both in non-deterministic way and 
with incomplete information with "fuzzy"-assertions.

We've got some really interesting research projects happening now and in the 
past.  Some have seen commercial applications.  Japan has very interesting 
specialty robots, but none driven by what anyone would consider a "strong" 
AI.

I'm not even sure we want strong AI.

>functions are a big pain because PL/SQL is proprietary ... then there was
>the pgSQL coming close to PL/SQL but not exactly ... and so on, so I'm
>wondering where the world and we are going. especially open source
>community could be more standard oriented.

That would be nice.  I'd like to see more Free Software be certified, but 
that usually costs , and doesn't always mesh well with the Bazaar-style 
development that some projects use.

>Perhaps we have to ask w3c to provide a markup for database and leave all
>this "pretty close" sql sh*t.

Right, because every piece of HTML you see is strictly-conforming.  W3C 
hasn't done any better than any other standards organization.

>However I learned years ago something useful about databases. You have to
>plan the size, speed, scalability, functionality etc. _before_ you start
>using whatever database.
>You have to check export/import _before_ you start using whatever
> database. You better simulate database corruption _before_ you start
> using whatever database and so on.

You should really be doing that with any piece of software.  If you can't 
evaluate it, definitely don't spend any money on it.  If you haven't tested 
it, don't put it into production.
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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[Andrei Popescu]

On Fri,21.Aug.09, 12:21:24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On 8/21/09, go...@dobosevic.com  wrote:
> >  Don't know I don't have 64 just 32 :-(
> >
> Andrei, are you using 64 or 32 bits?

64 bits as well, hhmm.

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Re: hp p800 array 64bit from 32bit grub errors

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-21 11:43, Scott H wrote:

I recently had a server running Debian 32bit being the latest
version 4. The server had the alternate kernel to get more memory
recognized. I decided it was time to upgrade to the debian with
64bit 5.01. It now is having problems running grub, at first it
was giving me the grub error 2 which if i am correct means it
cannot find the disk to boot. I then tried the 5.02a version


Could it be that the new kernel reordered the disks, and from the 
grub prompt you need to tell it to look at a different drive?



which is the latest and i now get Grub Grub print out. I have
tried to go into the console via the recovery mode and it gives a
invalid partition table. So now I tried to just reinstall the
32bit back on and does not work. Does anyone else have problems
like this? is it the array card that is not supported? It does
not make any sense that it was working on 32bit and now wont work
at all. Thanks for any help and responses.


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Re: how to migrate request-tracker database from sqlite3 to mysql

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> 
> No, thank $DEITY.  I had a couple of jobs involving Oracle, but I tend to
> avoid anything were I have to deal with too much proprietary software.

I am using oracle at work and compiled tora with ora support. At this point
I wanted to install the export tool and that's how I found out what's going
on - _crazy_.

> 
>>... so programmers can be kept buzzy :-) otherways we could have an AI
>>engine about 10 years ago.
> 
> Weak AI has existed for more than 10 years.

if a state machine with a bit of variations is kind of AI ... well the steam
engine was also kind of invention and progress for about a century

> 
> Strong AI is still a pipe dream.  It's not "just" a issue of time, we
> don't
> really have an idea what goes into a system like that.  We don't know how
> to imbue consciousness (or if that's just an illusion of complex
> interactions) or even how to write a general learning system that can both
> expand it's own scope with "meta"-assertions and operate both in
> non-deterministic way and with incomplete information with
> "fuzzy"-assertions.
> 
> We've got some really interesting research projects happening now and in
> the
> past.  Some have seen commercial applications.  Japan has very interesting
> specialty robots, but none driven by what anyone would consider a "strong"
> AI.
> 
> I'm not even sure we want strong AI.

yes and no, what I mean that people get focused on stuff that shouldn't
matter and could be solved in the way w3c does it. We and commercials too
should focus on what's really important - education (from ai-it
perspective). this will bring us closer to real AI. It's just a matter of
time. do we want it sooner or later is our choice - or may be not.

> 
>>functions are a big pain because PL/SQL is proprietary ... then there was
>>the pgSQL coming close to PL/SQL but not exactly ... and so on, so I'm
>>wondering where the world and we are going. especially open source
>>community could be more standard oriented.
> 
> That would be nice.  I'd like to see more Free Software be certified, but
> that usually costs , and doesn't always mesh well with the
> Bazaar-style development that some projects use.
> 
>>Perhaps we have to ask w3c to provide a markup for database and leave all
>>this "pretty close" sql sh*t.
> 
> Right, because every piece of HTML you see is strictly-conforming.  W3C
> hasn't done any better than any other standards organization.

so DTD for SQL :-)

> 
>>However I learned years ago something useful about databases. You have to
>>plan the size, speed, scalability, functionality etc. _before_ you start
>>using whatever database.
>>You have to check export/import _before_ you start using whatever
>> database. You better simulate database corruption _before_ you start
>> using whatever database and so on.
> 
> You should really be doing that with any piece of software.  If you can't
> evaluate it, definitely don't spend any money on it.  If you haven't
> tested it, don't put it into production.

I mean databases turn to be critical at some point of time and it's usually
too late to think about migration. That's how $$ software get's sold. 
The keyword is scalability.

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problem compiling kernel

[Bernard]

Hi to Everyone,

I need to re-compile my kernel so that it does not include sound support 
inside. I am running Debian 3.1 (Sarge). My system is on RAID1. My /boot 
partition is from /dev/sda1 (mirror on /dev/sdb1) installed on /dev/md0 
(ext3), while my '/' partition is from /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 installed 
on /dev/md1 mounted on /dev/mapper/vg00-root (LVM2). It's been working 
OK for several years.


The easiest way would be to try re-compiling from 
/boot/config-2.6.20-16-386 using make oldconfig. But this repeatedly 
fails. 'make' soon returns error messages saying that such and such 
function have not been declared. Since the process works with more 
recent kernels, I suppose that the Makefile that I have in 
/usr/src/linux-2.6.20-16-386 is buggy, or else, maybe the version of 
gcc/make that I get is no longer compatible with said Makefile : I must 
admit that I have sometimes ran 'apt-get install' on various packages 
with a /etc/apt/sources.list that contained lines referring to testing 
directories.


So, upon my failures to recompile kernel 2.6.20-16-386, I tried 
downloading 2.6.20-17-386, but I got the same results. However, with 
2.6.26.2, it did compile without errors... but in the end the image 
won't boot !


My compiling process does not generate initrd.img, so I did generate one 
using 'mkinitrd', and I wrote its path in /boot/grub/menu.lst with the 
kernel image.


Here is what I get on booting trials :

boot starts, as usual text displays very fast and you cannot read until 
it stops. When this happen, I can read this :


"
md: raid0 personality registered for level 0
md: raid1 personality registered for level 1
device mapper
.
no filesystem could mount root. Tried: cramfs
kernel panic - not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown 
block(0,0)

"

So, I re-tried compiling after de-activating raid0 in the config, 
leaving only raid1... to the same end result.


Could someone tell me what options I should select in the config so as 
to obtain a new kernel that will boot my RAID architecture ?


I know that there are other ways to compile Debian kernels, using 
'make-kpkg', but this does not work here, likely because this tool 
version is too old or too new for my system : it keeps saying that 
parameters are missing, while the howtos that I saw did not mention any 
such parameters for make-kpkg.


By the way, I noticed that the initrd.img that I obtain using mkinitrd 
are about 5 times bigger than that which is used to boot my usual 
kernel. I am not sure that I am using mkinitrd correctly.


mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.26.2 2.6.26 done from /boot issues an error 
messages saying that this image will not take raid into account, and 
that therefore it won't boot, unless the main image contains what is 
missing here. In any case, it doesn't boot. The same command issued in 
/usr/src/linux-2.6.26.2 does not send any error message, but in the end 
the image doesn't boot either.


Thanks in advance for your help


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How could I change the limit of defined keyboard variants ?

[Sever P A]

Hello guys,

gnome-keyboard-properties allows to define up to 4 keyboard variants...

My question is:

Is it possible to change this limit ?

If so, how could I do ?

Thanks,

S.


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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Bernard wrote:

> Hi to Everyone,
> 
> I need to re-compile my kernel so that it does not include sound support
> inside. I am running Debian 3.1 (Sarge). My system is on RAID1. My /boot
> partition is from /dev/sda1 (mirror on /dev/sdb1) installed on /dev/md0
> (ext3), while my '/' partition is from /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 installed
> on /dev/md1 mounted on /dev/mapper/vg00-root (LVM2). It's been working
> OK for several years.
> 
> The easiest way would be to try re-compiling from
> /boot/config-2.6.20-16-386 using make oldconfig. But this repeatedly
> fails. 'make' soon returns error messages saying that such and such
> function have not been declared. Since the process works with more
> recent kernels, I suppose that the Makefile that I have in
> /usr/src/linux-2.6.20-16-386 is buggy, or else, maybe the version of
> gcc/make that I get is no longer compatible with said Makefile : I must
> admit that I have sometimes ran 'apt-get install' on various packages
> with a /etc/apt/sources.list that contained lines referring to testing
> directories.
> 
> So, upon my failures to recompile kernel 2.6.20-16-386, I tried
> downloading 2.6.20-17-386, but I got the same results. However, with
> 2.6.26.2, it did compile without errors... but in the end the image
> won't boot !
> 
> My compiling process does not generate initrd.img, so I did generate one
> using 'mkinitrd', and I wrote its path in /boot/grub/menu.lst with the
> kernel image.
> 
> Here is what I get on booting trials :
> 
> boot starts, as usual text displays very fast and you cannot read until
> it stops. When this happen, I can read this :
> 
> "
> md: raid0 personality registered for level 0
> md: raid1 personality registered for level 1
> device mapper
> .
> no filesystem could mount root. Tried: cramfs
> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown
> block(0,0)
> "
> 
> So, I re-tried compiling after de-activating raid0 in the config,
> leaving only raid1... to the same end result.
> 
> Could someone tell me what options I should select in the config so as
> to obtain a new kernel that will boot my RAID architecture ?
> 
> I know that there are other ways to compile Debian kernels, using
> 'make-kpkg', but this does not work here, likely because this tool
> version is too old or too new for my system : it keeps saying that
> parameters are missing, while the howtos that I saw did not mention any
> such parameters for make-kpkg.
> 
> By the way, I noticed that the initrd.img that I obtain using mkinitrd
> are about 5 times bigger than that which is used to boot my usual
> kernel. I am not sure that I am using mkinitrd correctly.
> 
> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.26.2 2.6.26 done from /boot issues an error
> messages saying that this image will not take raid into account, and
> that therefore it won't boot, unless the main image contains what is
> missing here. In any case, it doesn't boot. The same command issued in
> /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.2 does not send any error message, but in the end
> the image doesn't boot either.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help

why not just compile it on your notebook (or copy a compiled kernel) ?! 

you also can just disable the loading of the sound modules to make it more
simple.

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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Sorry forgot to write

Yes there is problem compiling the 2.6.20 with recent gcc

The problem is the compiler. If you are compiling just grab the last version
from kernel.org.

2.6.30.4 seems to be working fine

>> 
>> So, upon my failures to recompile kernel 2.6.20-16-386, I tried
>> downloading 2.6.20-17-386, but I got the same results. However, with
>> 2.6.26.2, it did compile without errors... but in the end the image
>> won't boot !
>> 
>> My compiling process does not generate initrd.img, so I did generate one
>> using 'mkinitrd', and I wrote its path in /boot/grub/menu.lst with the
>> kernel image.
>> 
>> Here is what I get on booting trials :
>> 
>> boot starts, as usual text displays very fast and you cannot read until
>> it stops. When this happen, I can read this :
>> 
>> "
>> md: raid0 personality registered for level 0
>> md: raid1 personality registered for level 1
>> device mapper
>> .
>> no filesystem could mount root. Tried: cramfs
>> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown
>> block(0,0)
>> "

try compiling the necessary modules _in_ the kernel. 

>> 
>> So, I re-tried compiling after de-activating raid0 in the config,
>> leaving only raid1... to the same end result.

In the config it should be [*] not [M] if booting from raid - do the same
for LVM

make
make install
make modules_install - do you really need kpkg ?

>> 
>> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.26.2 2.6.26 done from /boot issues an error
>> messages saying that this image will not take raid into account, and
>> that therefore it won't boot, unless the main image contains what is
>> missing here. In any case, it doesn't boot. The same command issued in
>> /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.2 does not send any error message, but in the end
>> the image doesn't boot either.
>> 

do you have a not raid boot partition, where you can put the initrd image?




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RE: Amplify a wav file and join wav files under Lenny

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Josep M. [mailto:websur...@navegants.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:51 AM
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I need amplify 3db a lot of files, the best will be using linux command
> line...there is any tool what can do this?
> 
> Also, I need join wav files from command line ...there is any tool what
> can do this?
> 
> I use Debian Lenny.
> 
> Thanks
> Kokolisso

Sox will do what you want.  Something like:

sox infile1.wav infile2.wav outfile.wav vol 3 dB

should do the trick.  Hope this helps!

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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> Sorry forgot to write
> 
> Yes there is problem compiling the 2.6.20 with recent gcc
> 
> The problem is the compiler. If you are compiling just grab the last
> version from kernel.org.
> 
> 2.6.30.4 seems to be working fine
> 

Just to be objective the gnu compiler people said kernel people are wrong
and vice versa. I didn't follow the discussion. I'm glad next kernels
compile

regards




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Re: [SOLVED]what sets the time at boot?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-08-21 16:18 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Wait! There is a sequence!
>
> So hwclock from util-linux-ng 2.16 needs /dev/rtc0 to function. If
> that is not around because in the kernel Device Drivers -> Real Time
> Clock is *not* set then the clock will not be set/saved with
> disastrous results.

This is only a problem for people who compile their kernels themselves,
and I think those should be able to deal with the breakage.

> But even so, if you are running chrony, there is still problems with
> saving the clock: at the moment the clock is saved chrony is still
> running and has /dev/rtc0 allocated so hwclock fails!

I don't know, as I do not use chrony.

> Solution: in /etc/rc0.d + rc6.d chrony is K83 and hwclock K25 so reset
> chrony to K24 instead.

Nowadays the numbers are computed by insserv from the LSB init headers.
If you are right, the chrony script should have a header

Required-Stop: hwclock

to insure that it is stopped before hwclock.

> I believe this to be a bug, Isn't it?

Feel free to report a bug against chrony.  Or, maybe better, amend the
existing #407466 which seems to be about this problem.

Sven


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Re: need advice on scsi disk failure

[Long Wind]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:34 AM,  wrote:
> The conventional approach is first to clean the contacts on the
> connector and the card (some alcohol on a cotton swab for the
> connector and a pencil eraser for the card contacts) and try again.
> If that doesn't work go to "plan B" (run a complete disk diagnostic
> regularly-if the problem is the connector then the disk diagnostic
> will only fail when the connector isn't inserted fully; if the
> problem is NOT the connector then the disk diagnostic should pick up
> the problem).
> L

Thanks!
but I don't have alcohol
"If that doesn't work ", the scsi card doesn't find the disk and can't
run disk diagnostic
I have a new power supply and an old one.
Using the new one, the scsi disk always can't be found
but with the old one, I have more luck


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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Bernard]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:


Bernard wrote:

 






why not just compile it on your notebook (or copy a compiled kernel) ?! 


you also can just disable the loading of the sound modules to make it more
simple.
 



Things would be easy if all sound support were in modules. But some 
functions are part of the kernel and load with it. Because of this, I 
cannot compile a new sound system (OSS) without errors : it says that I 
have conflicting problems, even though I have blacklisted all sound modules.



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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Bernard]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:



 



do you have a not raid boot partition, where you can put the initrd image?
 



My boot partition is not raid, or, at least, even though it is mirrored, 
it remains in ext2fs, while the rest is in LVM2. So, the initrd image 
that I am trying is available at start, same with the one that works at 
every boot. If, for instance, I boot my system using a rescue disc or 
CD, I can't mount my '/' partition, but I mount '/boot' without problem.






 




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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Bernard]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:




try compiling the necessary modules _in_ the kernel. 
 



This is the way it has been done.

 


So, I re-tried compiling after de-activating raid0 in the config,
leaving only raid1... to the same end result.
 



In the config it should be [*] not [M] if booting from raid - do the same
for LVM

make
make install
make modules_install - do you really need kpkg ?
 



No, except if it generates an initrd image easier than with mkinitrd

 




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megaraid controller problem: SOLVED!

[Robert P. J. Day]

  here's the thread related to what i was fighting with (on my etch
system):

  http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6695

so i temporarily updated my sources.list to lenny, installed *just* a
newer 2.6.26 kernel, and that fixed everything.  next step:  upgrade
from etch to lenny.

  i'm sure there will be more questions when that happens.  thanks to
all who gave advice.

rday
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Re: "Unable to perform shutdown" from Xfce

[go...@dobosevic.com]

Is there any chance that this issue be linked to the architecture? I'm
running amd64.
Liviu



Can you install 32 bit in VirtualBox maybe if you have free time and space?
Or can I look for something in my Squeeze XFCE?
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RE: Amplify a wav file and join wav files under Lenny

[Josep M.]

Hello Kenny!


Thanks!.. Just what I was looking for!.Quick and good:)

I Tested and runs perfect:)

Josep




El vie, 21-08-2009 a las 11:25 -0700, Kevin Ross escribió:
> > From: Josep M. [mailto:websur...@navegants.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:51 AM
> > 
> > Hello.
> > 
> > I need amplify 3db a lot of files, the best will be using linux command
> > line...there is any tool what can do this?
> > 
> > Also, I need join wav files from command line ...there is any tool what
> > can do this?
> > 
> > I use Debian Lenny.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Kokolisso
> 
> Sox will do what you want.  Something like:
> 
> sox infile1.wav infile2.wav outfile.wav vol 3 dB
> 
> should do the trick.  Hope this helps!
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 
> 


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Re: megaraid controller problem: SOLVED!

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   i'm sure there will be more questions when that happens.  thanks to
> all who gave advice.
> 

there are also more answers already

;-)


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Re: problem compiling kernel

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Bernard wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> 
>>Bernard wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 
>>
>>why not just compile it on your notebook (or copy a compiled kernel) ?!
>>
>>you also can just disable the loading of the sound modules to make it more
>>simple.
>>  
>>
> 
> Things would be easy if all sound support were in modules. But some
> functions are part of the kernel and load with it. Because of this, I
> cannot compile a new sound system (OSS) without errors : it says that I
> have conflicting problems, even though I have blacklisted all sound
> modules.

ah, I understand right now what you're trying to do - you need basic
OSS/ALSA removed completely.

which compiler versions do you have installed? On sarge the 2.6.20 should
compile as far as I remember.

You might have to set the right compiler I'm not sure I think 4.X is the one
with the problem, so I would try with something older.

The other thing would be to compile on another machine (you need to check
options/Makefile for this) and move the images and drivers over (because
the new OSS driver will probably fail with the old compiler ;) that would
compile the older kernel )

regards




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Re: how to install openmotif dev package in lenny

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 21 August 2009 10:57:38 tanushyam bhattacharjee wrote:
> I need to install openmotif development package in lenny.I have tried
> several package suggested in internet but nothing works properly.I noticed
> if it installs properly,in usr/X11R6 contains a lib folder along with
> several related files. Pls suggest the way to do it

You probably want the package 'lesstif2-dev'.

It can be installed by running 'aptitude install lesstif2-dev'.
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RE: problem compiling kernel

[Kevin Ross]

> From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Emanoil Kotsev
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:55 PM
> 
> Bernard wrote:
> 
> > Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> >
> >>Bernard wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>why not just compile it on your notebook (or copy a compiled kernel)
> ?!
> >>
> >>you also can just disable the loading of the sound modules to make it
> more
> >>simple.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Things would be easy if all sound support were in modules. But some
> > functions are part of the kernel and load with it. Because of this, I
> > cannot compile a new sound system (OSS) without errors : it says that
> I
> > have conflicting problems, even though I have blacklisted all sound
> > modules.
> 
> ah, I understand right now what you're trying to do - you need basic
> OSS/ALSA removed completely.
> 
> which compiler versions do you have installed? On sarge the 2.6.20
> should
> compile as far as I remember.
> 
> You might have to set the right compiler I'm not sure I think 4.X is
> the one
> with the problem, so I would try with something older.
> 
> The other thing would be to compile on another machine (you need to
> check
> options/Makefile for this) and move the images and drivers over
> (because
> the new OSS driver will probably fail with the old compiler ;) that
> would
> compile the older kernel )
> 
> regards
> 

The kernel in Lenny is compiled with the gcc-4.1 version.  You should
compile with whatever version the stock kernel was compiled with.  If you're
using something older than Lenny, the way I check is, open any module under
/lib/modules/`uname -r` with vi, and search for GCC.  You will see the
version used.  There might be an easier way, but I don't know it.

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"Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory."

[Robert P. J. Day]

  long story short (at least for now):

  * upgraded sarge to etch, retained 2.4.27 kernel
  * verified that upgraded system works fine
  * followed docs to upgrade kernel alone to 2.6.18 (based on
etch release notes)
  * kernel upgrade process seemed to install all the bits and
pieces in the right places (/boot, /lib/modules)
  * boot to new kernel produces:

  ... lots snipped ... then very similar to what you read here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/26391

i've googled the daylights out of that, so i'm trying a number of
different things, but here's my first question:  given that the boot
messages fly by so that i have only the final screen of boot output
left, are those messages archived anywhere so i can go back and look
at them after i get dumped into the initramfs busybox?

  i'm fairly new to debian, but have lots of background in fedora (for
what that's worth).  i've been taking notes so i definitely have more
questions but for now, i just want a way to see the *entire* boot
sequence, since there might be something there that just gives away
what the problem is, except that it's already scrolled off the screen.
thanks.

rday
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RE: "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory."

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpj...@crashcourse.ca]
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:41 AM
> 
> given that the boot
> messages fly by so that i have only the final screen of boot output
> left, are those messages archived anywhere so i can go back and look
> at them after i get dumped into the initramfs busybox?
> 
>   i'm fairly new to debian, but have lots of background in fedora (for
> what that's worth).  i've been taking notes so i definitely have more
> questions but for now, i just want a way to see the *entire* boot
> sequence, since there might be something there that just gives away
> what the problem is, except that it's already scrolled off the screen.
> thanks.
> 
> rday

I can't help with your boot problems, but to see the output that scrolled
by, try dmesg.  If for some reason that doesn't work, you can "scroll back"
with Shift+PageUp.  The scroll back history is only a couple pages, though,
so that won't give you the entire history.

You can also add the "quiet" kernel parameter, so that only warnings and
errors get output, and not all the regular info messages.

Hope this helps!
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Re: "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory."

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> * followed docs to upgrade kernel alone to 2.6.18 (based on
> etch release notes)

you are writing this today - the kernel in use should be 2.6.30 whatever

I posted howto boot manually - then you have to recreate initramfs that's
all

you have to update also few things like udev etc etc. there has been a lot
written in the past.

sometimes no go is better then wrong go

regards



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RE: "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory."

[Kevin Ross]

> From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Emanoil Kotsev
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:50 PM
> 
> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
> > * followed docs to upgrade kernel alone to 2.6.18 (based on
> > etch release notes)
> 
> you are writing this today - the kernel in use should be 2.6.30
> whatever

The upgrade path from Etch to Lenny requires one to update the kernel first,
from 2.4 to 2.6, and the 2.6 series kernel in Etch is 2.6.18.  I don't know
if that is the OP's plan or not, but it makes sense.

-- Kevin


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RE: "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory."

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Kevin Ross wrote:

>> From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Emanoil Kotsev
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:50 PM
>> 
>> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> 
>> > * followed docs to upgrade kernel alone to 2.6.18 (based on
>> > etch release notes)
>> 
>> you are writing this today - the kernel in use should be 2.6.30
>> whatever
> 
> The upgrade path from Etch to Lenny requires one to update the kernel
> first,
> from 2.4 to 2.6, and the 2.6 series kernel in Etch is 2.6.18.  I don't
> know if that is the OP's plan or not, but it makes sense.
> 
> -- Kevin

ok, yes it makes!

still you can cheat a bit ;-)



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Re: need advice on scsi disk failure

[Long Wind]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:34 AM,  wrote:
>>
> The conventional approach is first to clean the contacts on the
> connector and the card (some alcohol on a cotton swab for the
> connector and a pencil eraser for the card contacts) and try again.
> If that doesn't work go to "plan B" (run a complete disk diagnostic
> regularly-if the problem is the connector then the disk diagnostic
> will only fail when the connector isn't inserted fully; if the
> problem is NOT the connector then the disk diagnostic should pick up
> the problem).
> L
>>>
>>>--

You are right!
I don't have alcohol
so I just use my hand to rub the connection between cable and connector
the new power supply (which always fails to power my scsi disk) can power it now

The human's hand is the best tool!

I still have to buy a new scsi cable (and connector?)


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acpi video driver and 2.6.30

[Thierry Chatelet]

Following my previous post (2.6.30 -> Brightness does not work) I contacted 
the maintainer of acer-wmi. Here is the content of my mail and his quick 
answer:

Hi Carlos
First, let me thank you for your work on getting Acer laptop working with 
Linux.
Now, since my Debian Squeeze kernel went from 2.6.28 to 2.6.30, backlight 
setting does not work any longer, and the brightness seems to be set at random 
level at boot time. My laptop is an aspire 5715Z.
dmesg gives:
dmesg |grep video
[7.161248] acer-wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video driver
[   27.366381] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]

and
dmesg |grep acer
[7.140188] acer-wmi: Acer Laptop ACPI-WMI Extras
[7.161248] acer-wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video driver

Also, there is no folder named backlight under /sys/devices/acer-wmi/platform/ 
with kernel 2.6.30.

Should you need other information, please fill free to contact me

and the answer

This, and the above messages, mean that the generic ACPI video driver is 
taking control of the backlight, and not acer-wmi (acer-wmi, and most of the 
other laptop specific platform drivers, will let the generic ACPI video driver 
handle brightness, etc, if they are able to). Unfortunately, I'm not that 
familiar with it, so you'd need to talk to the maintainers of that instead.

-Carlos

So, it seems to me that I should investigate toward ACPI video driver. OK, but 
I don't have any idea where to start to be able to give useful information to 
the maintainer of this module (I don't even know how to get the proper name of 
this module). At that point, it's obvious that any help will be most welcome.
Thanks in advance
Thierry


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help for kernel panic

[Alan Greenberger]

I have a system with Lenny installed from the KDE installer CD.  It was
working fine for half a year.  Powering it on after being off for two
weeks, it starts to load Lenny then dies with:
 Failed to execute /init
 can't open auto
 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
Call Trace before the panic includes handle_mm_fault and do_page_fault.
I have tried kernel options noapic, nolapic, pci=noacpi with no
difference.  I tried resetting the BIOS.

memtest86+ passes (Dual Core AMD, 2GB memory, ASUS M3A78 PRO
motherboard).

grml dies in grml mode but works in failsafe mode.  There I ran e2fsck
 -pcv on the root (including /boot) partition showing no problems.
Similarly, sysrescuecd also dies but works in rescue vga=normal mode.

I tried graphical rescue mode from the installer cd.  It allowed me to
launch a shell from my root partition.  Strangely enough mount claims
that the other partitions are mounted, but they are not until I su and
manually mount them.  Then I was able to run aptitude showing:
iA linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
 Version 2.6.26-13
The md5sum of /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 is
 824cfba2eac12d0c09747c0bd3426e4e

At this point, I don't know how to tell if this is a motherboard
hardware problem or a disk file corruption.  Does anyone have a
suggestion for further diagnosis?

Does the installer cd load the identical kernel that it installs or is
it some different/reduced version?

Is it possible to do a selective reinstallation of just the boot
sensitive files from the installer cd rescue mode?


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Failure of X in squeeze.

[Peter Crawford]

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