Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Owen Townend
2008/12/19 rjubio :
> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?
>
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Hey,

As a tangent to the question, try running it in the background and
checking the progress using kill -USR1
This should make it easier to figure out how long it will take.

>From the dd man page:

|   Sending a USR1 signal to a running 'dd'  process  makes  it  print  I/O
|   statistics to standard error and then resume copying.
|
|  $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!
|  $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid
|
|  18335302+0  records  in  18335302+0 records out 9387674624 bytes
|  (9.4 GB) copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s

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debian etch on sata hds

2008-12-19 Thread rjubio
Does anyone know or has a link on how to install debian on a sata drive? 
My installer asks me for a driver to load after not detecting the sata 
drives.


Thanks!!


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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread rjubio

Juha Tuuna wrote:

rjubio wrote:
  

How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?



It depends on your hardware, are you writing or reading and other possible I/O
on that disk. On a laptop I got 3MiB/s on average. You do the math.

  

Does the IDE or SATA setting of the hd affect the dd command?


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Re: To-do-list Application

2008-12-19 Thread Henri Salo
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:44:52PM +0700, Zaki Akhmad wrote:
> I am looking for such a "post it" application. So that I can write my
> to-do-list and view it on my Desktop. Any suggestion?

I'm using riot http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/riot/

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Re: Instructions for upgrading from Etch to Lenny?

2008-12-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-19 01:25 +0100, Rick Thomas wrote:

> I didn't encounter any problems with X.org stuff.  It deleted a few
> things that don't seem to have any counterparts in Lenny -  
> specifically "libsasl2", "libssp0", and "libvte4".  I guess that's
> normal?

Yes, removing obsolete packages is fine.

> It also deleted "synaptic", "update-manager", and "update-notifier".
> Which seems odd.  I don't use (or like) synaptic (I prefer aptitude,
> usually in cli mode) so I'm not worried by it as long as they aren't
> necessary for the correct functioning of the system.

This happened because the etch versions of these packages are not
compatible with the new apt, and apt or aptitude seems to be too dumb to
see that these packages should be upgraded rather than removed when you
type "aptitude install aptitude".  See http://bugs.debian.org/bug=502284.

Sven


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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-19 07:56 +0100, Juha Tuuna wrote:

> rjubio wrote:
>> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?
>
> It depends on your hardware, are you writing or reading and other possible I/O
> on that disk. On a laptop I got 3MiB/s on average. You do the math.

Seems like the disk was in PIO mode, 3 MB/s is horribly slow.

Sven


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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-19 07:36 +0100, rjubio wrote:

> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?

Not long ago I zeroed out the disk of my old machine because I wanted to
sell it, and that took 80 GB /(53 MiB/s) = 25 minutes.

Sven


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Re: tcpip stops working after some time

2008-12-19 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:07:12 +0200
subscriptions  wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:10 +0100, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > 
> > For some reason after a few days of uptime , tcp stops working on my
> > machine.
> > Ping and dns lookups work, tcp doesn't. I tried both wired and
> > wireless,
> > removing the firewall and unloading all firewall related modules but
> > nothing
> > seems to change.
> > 
> > Only restarting seems to help
> > 
> > Any ideas what else could it be?
> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> Try 'netstat -atn' to see if you have filled all ports.
> 

Here's the output, doesn't seem to me that I filled the ports, but I may be
wrong. Not sure what are all those open ports at the 4-6 range
I also it seems that the connection is not all dead, it's just really slow (I
sometime get a reply to telnet www.google.com 80 after a couple of minutes
although it mostly times out. ping works fine. nada in /var/log/syslog
and /var/log/messages

vivalunalitshi:tmp# netstat -atn
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State  
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:28147   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:38422 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:22  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:631   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   LISTEN 
tcp0  0 192.168.1.11:55178  132.66.7.110:80 ESTABLISHED
tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:51591 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT   
tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:51593 132.66.7.110:80 ESTABLISHED
tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:49378 74.125.79.109:995   SYN_SENT   
tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:51590 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT   
tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:57531 130.83.165.8:3250   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:42224 87.70.122.110:43754 ESTABLISHED
tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:43329 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT   
tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:39098 77.127.241.67:10184 ESTABLISHED
tcp6   0  0 :::22   :::*LISTEN 
tcp6   0  0 ::1:631 :::*LISTEN 
vivalunalitshi:tuxonice-head# netstat -tulpen
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
User   Inode   PID/Program name
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:28147   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
1000   11961   5101/skype  
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:38422 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
1000   643814  4753/gdl_indexer
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:22  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
0  61124041/sshd   
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:631   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
0  61534066/cupsd  
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
0  621869  23059/exim4 
tcp6   0  0 :::22   :::*LISTEN  
0  61104041/sshd   
tcp6   0  0 ::1:631 :::*LISTEN  
0  61544066/cupsd  
udp0  0 127.0.0.1:35370 0.0.0.0:*   
1000   92115101/skype  
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:68  0.0.0.0:*   
0  1224846 16412/dhclient  
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:68  0.0.0.0:*   
0  360014  29605/dhclient  
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:28147   0.0.0.0:*   
1000   11962   5101/skype  
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:*   
0  61564066/cupsd  

> Best,
> 
> Rob
> 
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Re: Adobe AIR installation

2008-12-19 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Bogdan wrote:
 On 12/18/08 14:48, Bogdan wrote:
 
>"An error occurred while installing Adobe AIR. Installation may 
> not be allowed by your administrator. Please contact your 
> administrator"
>   
> "Adobe AIR could not be installed because another application is already 
> being installed. Complete the first installation before proceeding with 
> this one. "
>   

Someone really ought to tell Adobe that Linux is not Windows.


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Re: debian etch on sata hds

2008-12-19 Thread steef







hi,

newer kernels all are supposed to support sata-hd's AFAIK. installed 
this week without any problem lenny on a serial ata  (sata, scsi) disk.


reg.,

steef


rjubio wrote:
Does anyone know or has a link on how to install debian on a sata 
drive? My installer asks me for a driver to load after not detecting 
the sata drives.


Thanks!!





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how to run debsums for 'ps' and 'readline'

2008-12-19 Thread oneman

Hi All,


chkrootkit is complaining about processes hidden from ps and readdir.  
So I'd like to run debsums on them to test the integrity of ps and  
readdir. However, 'debsums ps' doesn't work. Wich package name should  
I use to check the integrity of these two?


Peter


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Re: how to run debsums for 'ps' and 'readline'

2008-12-19 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi,

oneman  writes:
> chkrootkit is complaining about processes hidden from ps and readdir.
> So I'd like to run debsums on them to test the integrity of ps and
> readdir. However, 'debsums ps' doesn't work. Wich package name should
> I use to check the integrity of these two?

$ dpkg -S /bin/ps

Regards,
Ansgar

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Problem after upgrade

2008-12-19 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi folks,

Xen
dom0/host   Debian Etch, a workstation
domU/guest  Postfix mail server on Debian Etch


dom0
after running
# aptitude update
# aptitude upgrade

It works without problem.


domU
after running
# aptitude update

# aptitude upgrade

1)
A new version of configuration file /etc/clamav/clamd.conf is
available,
but your version has been locally modified.

install the package maintainer's version
...
...
2)
A new version of configuration file /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf is
available, but your version has been locally modified.

install the package maintainer's version


Reboot the guest (domU)


Problem comes.  On dum0, mouse pointer becomes unstable.  On dragging
the mouse it vibrates not easy to control.  Press keys on keyboard
without response, requiring hitting the key twice/3rd times.  Shutdown
domU everything becomes normal.  It seems a program continuously
restarting.


It was also noticing that

On domU
# xm list

Name ID   Mem VCPUs  State   Time(s)
Domain-0 0  3417 2   r-  10635.8
xen12.satimis.com232 1   r-240.0


The number "240.0" corresponding to "xen12.satimis.com" changed rapidly
on next run of "xm list".  The HD LED flashed.


Please advise where to check the cause and how to fix the problem.  TIA


Remark:
Actually the guest (domU) only starts.  It is not doing any work. 
However the mail server can work to send/receive mails without problem.


B.R.
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Re: how to run debsums for 'ps' and 'readline'

2008-12-19 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:55PM +0100, oneman wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
> chkrootkit is complaining about processes hidden from ps and readdir. So 
> I'd like to run debsums on them to test the integrity of ps and readdir. 
> However, 'debsums ps' doesn't work. Wich package name should I use to 
> check the integrity of these two?

Something that helped me to get a different point of view on such a 
system was a busybox binary. IIRC we have a package with a rather 
complete and statically-linked busybox binary. You could also try 
'busybox ps' and such. 

Again, not a fix, but a different point of view.

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Re: xserver-xorg under lenny

2008-12-19 Thread steef


hi paul,

...thanks for your answer. must be dumb today. where do i find the 
*package* sgfxi?


nothing turned up when i did:  *apt-cache search sgfxi*

(i did find a lot of explanation/script, googling)

reg.,
steef


Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Thu December 18 2008, steef wrote:
  

i never understood the necessity of this modernistic magical behavior of
xserver-xorg. i should love to have back the old days when
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg most times made screen-adaptions possible
without problems. maybe an advice for the highly respected developers??



I have a Dell with NVIDIA card, and it has always driven me crazy when I had 
to update the kernel, or re-do the driver. Until... 
http://techpatterns.com/forums/about933.html


sgfxi -c 



cd /usr/local/bin
sgfxi -c


of course you need to install the package first.. this is without a doubt the 
easiest way to get my nvidia setup working correctly..


  



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Re: xserver-xorg under lenny

2008-12-19 Thread steef


thanks. kelly for your answer.

i must copy the logs&& from the other hd before i send you the info.  
must be working all day today. so i'll do that later


reg.,

steef






Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 05:22, steef  wrote:
  

hi list,

how do i get the magical xserver-xorg installed under lenny on a sata-disk
so far that i can put my screen-resolution from 800x600 into 1024x768,



<...>

There may be some bumps on the road, but the new system is much better
in the end.


Cheers,
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nrg2iso

2008-12-19 Thread steef

hi list,

this is the command i used to convert a (nero)file into a readable iso:

*sudo nrg2iso /home/steef/Desktop/PF2.nrg /home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso
it seemed to work,
and i burnt the result, PF3.iso, onto a dvd
with # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd0:/home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso

no readable file on the dvd results (tried it three times on a re-writable)

anybody an idea 'how this comes' and 'how to put it right?'

i am using etch1/2, latest kernel on this machine.

regards,

steef

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Re: kernel version of debian testing.

2008-12-19 Thread Angus Auld


--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jan Brosius  wrote:

> From: Jan Brosius 
> Subject: kernel version of debian testing.
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:55 PM
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know the kernel version in the latest version
> of debian-testing? I 
> saw on the internet that my hardware (more precisely my
> ethernet card) needs 
> kernel 2.6.27-*.
> 
> thanks for any information,
> Jan

Testing is still using the 2.6.26 kernel.

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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:14:06PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:15:11AM -0800, Rob Starling 
>  was heard to say:
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:11:10AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
 
>   By disabling auto-installation in step (a), you avoid that: you should
> get only the packages you asked for.  That's also why you need to install
> packages in dependency order (and of course install cycles together).
> The one problem I can imagine is if some of the packages you want to
> install conflict with stuff that's installed by default.

I always start with a base-install only (no tasks selected during
install).  Then after the first boot, I run aptitide, tell it not to
install recommended automatically, then go down the list and for each
category, mark it Auto, then select manually install for those things
that aptitude proposes to remove which I want, aiming to have as many
things as possible marked 'A'.  

Then I do an update and upgrade to get security fixes.

Then I dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set it for low.

Then I dpkg-reconfigure everything.

Then I install things I want right away:  mc, lynx, mutt, an MTA, mailx,
anacron, logrotate, nano-tiny (since it sits in /bin), and ssh.

Then I put the list of installed packages from the backup notes in one
VT, with aptitude in the other VT, and start at the top and go down the
list and do about 20 MB at a time (I'm on dialup).

This has worked very well many times.  I've never lost any data.

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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:36:45PM +0800, rjubio wrote:
> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?

You could use hdparm testing to get the unbuffered speed and then do the
math.

It also depends if you're doing anything with the other drive on that
IDE channel.  I.e. dd from one to the other drive on the same channel
will take much longer because only one drive can be accessed at a time,
possibly with some type of context-switch overhead in-between as well.

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Re: To-do-list Application

2008-12-19 Thread Zaki Akhmad
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Re: how to install skype on debian sid amd64?

2008-12-19 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thursday 18 December 2008 22:24:40 Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> On Thursday 18 December 2008 22:15:40 Star Liu wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > On Thursday 2008 December 18 20:15:00 Star Liu wrote:
> > >> I found that there is no official debian package for skype, and the
> > >> deb package from skype official website is from etch(maybe also i386),
> > >> so how to install skype on sid amd64? thanks
> > >
> > > http://debian-multimedia.org/ has skype packages for sid, IIRC.
> >
> > thanks, i added the source deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid
> > main, and updated it, then searched for skype, nothing added, i guess
> > maybe it's because they do not provide the amd64 version.
> >
> > > --
> > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =.
> > > b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_))
> > > ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy   `-'(. .)`-'
> > > http://iguanasuicide.net/  \_/
> >
> > --
> > I'm a web developer using
> > debian+mono(C#)+postgresql+xhtml+javascript+xsl+xml+css
> > my home is http://www.starliu.com
>
> Ahhh, no amd64 version.  There is a work around and it is ugly and it does
> work here, last I tried it.
>
> Download the i386 file.
>
> dpkg -i --architecture i386.package.name.deb

Correction:  dpkg -i --force-architecture i386.package.name.deb
>
> it will complain of missing dependencies.  apt-cache search, or use
> synaptic and find those packages:  go to debian.org and download those
> packages in i386 packages.  Install one at a time using --architecture for
> dpkg and retry skype.  When the magic total is correct, skype will install.
>
> Please read dpkg --force-help
>
> dpkg --force-anything can bork your box.  This did work  on my box, it
> might not work on yours.
>
> HTH
>
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Re: nrg2iso

2008-12-19 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:58:35PM +, steef wrote:
> hi list,
>
> this is the command i used to convert a (nero)file into a readable iso:
>
> *sudo nrg2iso /home/steef/Desktop/PF2.nrg /home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso

Why would you need to be root to convert files?

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Re: Java on Debian

2008-12-19 Thread Dancing Fingers
On Dec 17, 3:40 pm, Alex Samad  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:03:15AM -0600, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
> > 2008/12/17 Girish Kulkarni :
> > > 1. What is the Java Runtime Environment?  And the Java Development Kit?
>
> > The JRE includes a virtual machine for running Java programs, the JDK
> > is stuff like the Java compiler and associated programs you need to
> > build and debug Java code.
>
> > > 2. What is my compiler?  My Virtual Machine?
>
> > You can choose to use Java's non-free javac compiler (apt-cache search
> > sun java jdk), gcj, or OpenJDK.
>
> > > 3. Are there any free software implementations of Java?
>
> > Yeah, gcj and OpenJDK are the big ones. OpenJDK is a fully comformant
> > implementation of Java and I have not run into any problems with it at
> > all; it's Sun's official open implementation of Java.
>
> Have all of the libraries been made available to openJDK, I found some
> security ones where not available
>
>
>
> > Unfortunately, OpenJDK is too new to be packaged for etch, but you can
> > try to build it from sources.
>
> openJDK is in unstable, no need to go to source
>
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> > - Jordi G. H.
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http://www.weiqigao.com/blog/2007/11/04/getting_sun_java_6_on_debian_4_0_with_apt_pinning.html

This might mess up your standard version of Eclipse on Debian.

Good luck.

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Re: Java on Debian

2008-12-19 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/12/17 Alex Samad :
>> Unfortunately, OpenJDK is too new to be packaged for etch, but you can
>> try to build it from sources.
>
> openJDK is in unstable, no need to go to source

And is backporting OpenJDK from unstable to etch trivial?

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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread elijah rutschman
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM, rjubio  wrote:
> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?

I've found that setting a higher blocksize (using the bs= parameter)
makes dd go much faster.  I usually set the blocksize to about 50
megabytes, depending on available RAM.

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Re: xserver-xorg under lenny

2008-12-19 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:47, steef  wrote:
>
> hi paul,
>
> ...thanks for your answer. must be dumb today. where do i find the
> *package* sgfxi?
>
> nothing turned up when i did:  *apt-cache search sgfxi*
>
> (i did find a lot of explanation/script, googling)

Please don't top post.

A: Because it messes up normal reading order.
Q: Why is top posting bad?


Anyway, sgfxi is a script hacked up by some random person.
You have to download it from that website. Personally I wouldn't
let it near my computer. And furthermore, it is for the binary
"nvidia" driver.If all you want is a reasonable resolution, you
are better off with the open "nv" driver.


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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread rjubio

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2008-12-19 07:36 +0100, rjubio wrote:

  

How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?



Not long ago I zeroed out the disk of my old machine because I wanted to
sell it, and that took 80 GB /(53 MiB/s) = 25 minutes.

Sven


  
I dont get it. I've been getting 3.3 MiB/s on my machine. And this has 
some pretty good specs because we will use this as a production machine.



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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:53:44PM +0800, rjubio wrote:
> Sven Joachim wrote:
> >On 2008-12-19 07:36 +0100, rjubio wrote:
> >  
> >>How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?
> >
> >Not long ago I zeroed out the disk of my old machine because I wanted to
> >sell it, and that took 80 GB /(53 MiB/s) = 25 minutes.
> >  
> I dont get it. I've been getting 3.3 MiB/s on my machine. And this has 
> some pretty good specs because we will use this as a production machine.
> 

What does hdparm give as timing info for the drive?  You should minimize
other drive activity while its testing.

Doug.


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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Bob Cox
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:52:00 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty (dtu...@vianet.ca) 
wrote: 

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:36:45PM +0800, rjubio wrote:
> > How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?
> 
> You could use hdparm testing to get the unbuffered speed and then do the
> math.

Thank you for mentioning this Douglas.  Another thing learned today!

On a very average PC (1.8 GHz Athlon) I am getting very repeatable
results such as:

# hdparm -t /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  186 MB in  3.03 seconds =  61.49 MB/sec

...and even on a painfully slow Linksys NSLU2 "slug"  (which has its
hard drive connected via a USB2 to IDE interface:

# hdparm -t /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:   32 MB in  3.09 seconds =  10.36 MB/sec

I know from previous timing tests with the Slug that this figure looks
about right.

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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-19 16:53 +0100, rjubio wrote:

> Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2008-12-19 07:36 +0100, rjubio wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?
>>> 
>>
>> Not long ago I zeroed out the disk of my old machine because I wanted to
>> sell it, and that took 80 GB /(53 MiB/s) = 25 minutes.
>>
>> Sven
>>
>>
>>   
> I dont get it. I've been getting 3.3 MiB/s on my machine. And this has
> some pretty good specs because we will use this as a production
> machine.

Probably that's because you're using a too small block size then.  Try
with something like 10M, the dd default of just 512 bytes seems to slow
things down, since it writes each sector separately.

Sven


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Help needed with xserver

2008-12-19 Thread wix
Greetings;When I try to start gnome I get messages:(WW) RADEON: No matching device section for instance (Busid PCI:1:0:1) found...drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0": open result is -1 (No such device or address)(same msg repeated)": open failedand my desktop doesn't start.I start gnome from a console session with the command   startx -- :0Here is my xorg.conf file    # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)## This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using# values from the debconf database.## Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)## This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg# package.## If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated# again, run the following command:#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorgSection "InputDevice"    Identifier    "Generic Keyboard"    Driver        "kbd"    Option        "XkbRules"    "xorg"    Option        "XkbModel"    "pc104"    Option        "XkbLayout"    "us"EndSectionSection "InputDevice"    Identifier    "Configured Mouse"    Driver        "mouse"EndSectionSection "Device"    Identifier    "Configured Video Device"EndSectionSection "Monitor"    Identifier    "Configured Monitor"EndSectionSection "Screen"    Identifier    "Default Screen"    Monitor        "Configured Monitor"EndSectionI have tried reinstalling, reconfiguring, and other things to no avail.Any help appreciated!TIA!Dennis 


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Re: Help needed with xserver

2008-12-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
What you didn't say is versions of Debian and Xorg you use.

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RE: Help needed with xserver

2008-12-19 Thread wix

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Help needed with xserver
From: "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" 
Date: Fri, December 19, 2008 10:43 am
To: w...@mgssub.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org

What you didn't say is versions of Debian and Xorg you use.

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Help needed with xserver (plain text)

2008-12-19 Thread wix
Greetings;

(Sorry about the html. Different computer, different everything!)

When I try to start gnome I get messages:

(WW) RADEON: No matching device section for instance (Busid PCI:1:0:1)
found
...
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
": open result is -1 (No such device or address)
(same msg repeated)
": open failed

and my desktop doesn't start.

I start gnome from a console session with the command

   startx -- :0

Here is my xorg.conf file

# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool,
using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades
*only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically
updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Generic Keyboard"
Driver"kbd"
Option"XkbRules""xorg"
Option"XkbModel""pc104"
Option"XkbLayout""us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Configured Mouse"
Driver"mouse"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier"Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier"Default Screen"
Monitor"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

I have tried reinstalling, reconfiguring, and other things to no avail.

Any help appreciated!

TIA!
Dennis 





 


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Re: how to run debsums for 'ps' and 'readline'

2008-12-19 Thread oneman


On 19-dec-2008, at 12:41, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:


Hi,

oneman  writes:

chkrootkit is complaining about processes hidden from ps and readdir.
So I'd like to run debsums on them to test the integrity of ps and
readdir. However, 'debsums ps' doesn't work. Wich package name should
I use to check the integrity of these two?


$ dpkg -S /bin/ps


Thanks, that was exactly what I needed!

for prosperity, I will keep this onliner handy for the next time I  
need to do this:


debsums `dpkg -S /bin/ps | cut -d : -f 1` | grep /bin/ps



Peter


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Re: Help needed with xserver

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/19/08 11:50, w...@mgssub.com wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Help needed with xserver
From: "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" 
Date: Fri, December 19, 2008 10:43 am
To: w...@mgssub.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org

What you didn't say is versions of Debian and Xorg you use.

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Re: Help needed with xserver (plain text)

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/19/08 11:54, w...@mgssub.com wrote:

Greetings;

(Sorry about the html. Different computer, different everything!)

When I try to start gnome I get messages:

(WW) RADEON: No matching device section for instance (Busid PCI:1:0:1)
found
...
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
": open result is -1 (No such device or address)
(same msg repeated)
": open failed


It looks like you don't have the dri module loaded.

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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Nate Duehr

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 

As far as I know, Debian doesn't have an installer feature like
OpenBSD's where you can boot the installer, set up the disk partitions,
and run restore right from there (from tape, presumably a raw drive
partition as well, I don't know).

That's one "large-systems" feature which Linux really misses.


Real large-systems aren't taken off-line or ever restored from that low 
a level, usually.


If they are, it's because there was 8 feet of water in the server room, 
and even then, you probably failed over to your cold-site before it got 
that bad.


If you just had a hardware failure, you're probably already running on 
the warm/hot spare system by the time you look into it.


So... you might be thinking "mid-sized" PC-based systems.  ;-)


I wonder if linux's dump is compatible with OpenBSD's restore?  That
would make bare-metal restores very handy.

Ron,

Much of the linux culture (the way to do things) seems to be aimed at
(developed by?) windows users.  


Hahaha... that was the funniest thing I read all day.


Short of getting a job in a
"large-systems" shop (not going to happen), do you have any references,
hints, etc, on becoming more familiar with large-systems
practices/procedures/culture?


Why bother?  Go outside, enjoy some sunshine, have a life.  If it's cold 
where you are, I hear snowmobiles are fun.


There's nothing useful other than self-edification about learning how to 
manage "large systems" unless someone pays you to do it.


(Plus if you want to know what it's REALLY like to manage large or 
complex systems, just cancel all capital expenditures this quarter! 
There's a worldwide economic panic going on amongst the same people who 
screwed it up in the first place, don't you know?  No LTO tape drive or 
any of those other toys you mentioned allowed... OKAY... NOW GRIN and 
come up with a backup plan... and welcome to REAL large system's admin!)


:-)

Nate


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Re: Help needed with xserver (plain text)

2008-12-19 Thread Dennis Wicks

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 12/19/2008 12:08 PM:

On 12/19/08 11:54, w...@mgssub.com wrote:

Greetings;

(Sorry about the html. Different computer, different everything!)

When I try to start gnome I get messages:

(WW) RADEON: No matching device section for instance (Busid PCI:1:0:1)
found
...
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
": open result is -1 (No such device or address)
(same msg repeated)
": open failed


It looks like you don't have the dri module loaded.



Thanks for the pointer! The actual module was "radeon" and 
it in turn caused "drm" to be loaded, and now it works!


Thanks again!
Dennis


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Re: tcpip stops working after some time

2008-12-19 Thread Jeff D
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Micha Feigin wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:07:12 +0200
> subscriptions  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:10 +0100, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > >
> > > For some reason after a few days of uptime , tcp stops working on my
> > > machine.
> > > Ping and dns lookups work, tcp doesn't. I tried both wired and
> > > wireless,
> > > removing the firewall and unloading all firewall related modules but
> > > nothing
> > > seems to change.
> > >
> > > Only restarting seems to help
> > >
> > > Any ideas what else could it be?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Try 'netstat -atn' to see if you have filled all ports.
> >
>
> Here's the output, doesn't seem to me that I filled the ports, but I may be
> wrong. Not sure what are all those open ports at the 4-6 range
> I also it seems that the connection is not all dead, it's just really slow (I
> sometime get a reply to telnet www.google.com 80 after a couple of minutes
> although it mostly times out. ping works fine. nada in /var/log/syslog
> and /var/log/messages
>
> vivalunalitshi:tmp# netstat -atn
> Active Internet connections (servers and established)
> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State
> tcp0  0 192.168.1.11:55178  132.66.7.110:80 
> ESTABLISHED
> tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:51591 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT
> tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:51593 132.66.7.110:80 
> ESTABLISHED
> tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:49378 74.125.79.109:995   SYN_SENT
> tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:51590 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT
> tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:57531 130.83.165.8:3250   
> ESTABLISHED
> tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:42224 87.70.122.110:43754 
> ESTABLISHED
> tcp0  1 192.168.1.100:43329 132.66.7.110:80 SYN_SENT
> tcp0  0 192.168.1.100:39098 77.127.241.67:10184 
> ESTABLISHED
>
> > Best,
> >
> > Rob

are you seeing issues with all tcp or just web traffic? One other thing
you might want to try out is to fire up tcpdump (tcpdump -i eth0 -n ) and
run:
traceroute -n google.com
and
traceroute -n -T google.com

The -T there, tells traceroute to send out tcp packets.  It could give you
some insight on what may be causing this issue, or at least where the
issue might be.

Jeff
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Message: process 'sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl

2008-12-19 Thread Sam Kuper
Dear all,

When, in Lenny, I run:

sysctl -A

I get the following message printed to the console:

[ 4485.916867 ] process 'sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall)
net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use
net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead.

Is this a bug?

uname -a

gives the following:

Linux sousdesk 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 26 18:26:02 UTC 2008
x86_64 GNU/Linux

Thanks,

Sam


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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/19/08 13:09, Nate Duehr wrote:

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 

As far as I know, Debian doesn't have an installer feature like
OpenBSD's where you can boot the installer, set up the disk partitions,
and run restore right from there (from tape, presumably a raw drive
partition as well, I don't know).

That's one "large-systems" feature which Linux really misses.


Real large-systems aren't taken off-line or ever restored from that low 
a level, usually.


If they are, it's because there was 8 feet of water in the server room, 


Or an idiot plumber with a brazing torch sets off the sprinklers, 
which dump thousands of gallons of water, which, naturally, flow 
down to the sub-basement data center, dropping right down on top of 
"my" SAN.


and even then, you probably failed over to your cold-site before it got 
that bad.


Unless the gov't agency who's contracted with you is too cheap to 
pay for a cold-site.  (Of course, after the "rain shower", they 
wised up and now pay for the cold site.)


If you just had a hardware failure, you're probably already running on 
the warm/hot spare system by the time you look into it.


So... you might be thinking "mid-sized" PC-based systems.  ;-)


No, these actually are large systems.  A combination of Z/OS, 
OpenVMS and HP-SUX all in a 24x364 DC.  Lots and lots of tape silos 
and twice daily visits from Iron Mountain couriers.


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Re: Message: process 'sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl

2008-12-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-19 22:43 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote:

> When, in Lenny, I run:
>
> sysctl -A
>
> I get the following message printed to the console:
>
> [ 4485.916867 ] process 'sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall)
> net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use
> net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead.
>
> Is this a bug?

Not really.  AFAICS, "sysctl -A" just walks through /proc/sys and prints
everything that is available there, so it finds the deprecated kernel
parameter.

In any case, that is nothing to worry about.

Sven


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Re: Message: process 'sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl

2008-12-19 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/12/19 Sven Joachim :
> On 2008-12-19 22:43 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote:
>> Is this a bug?
>
> Not really.  AFAICS, "sysctl -A" just walks through /proc/sys and prints
> everything that is available there, so it finds the deprecated kernel
> parameter.
>
> In any case, that is nothing to worry about.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Sam


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Re: nrg2iso

2008-12-19 Thread steef



hi tzafrir,

no real need to. just a try. after a bad dvd-burn without sudo.
but, btw, you did not answer my question.

reg.,

steef

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:58:35PM +, steef wrote:
  

hi list,

this is the command i used to convert a (nero)file into a readable iso:

*sudo nrg2iso /home/steef/Desktop/PF2.nrg /home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso



Why would you need to be root to convert files?

  



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Re: DD command

2008-12-19 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, rjubio wrote:


How long does a dd command take for an 80 GB IDE hd?


Would you believe 300Gb took 11.5 hours?

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Re: nrg2iso

2008-12-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include 
* steef [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 12:58:35PM]:

> this is the command i used to convert a (nero)file into a readable iso:

Why don't you just NeroLinux then?

> *sudo nrg2iso /home/steef/Desktop/PF2.nrg /home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso
> it seemed to work,
> and i burnt the result, PF3.iso, onto a dvd
> with # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd0:/home/steef/Desktop/PF3.iso

Try this:

mount foo.nrg /bla -oloop,offset=307200

If you can read the files in /bla directory then you can try to burn
from the intermediate loop device with a command like

wodim -dev=/dev/scd0 -isosize /dev/loopX

You can identify your loop device via "mount | grep loop". Or RTFM of
the losetup command if you don't like the mount command above.

But, as said, I would just use NeroLinux.

> no readable file on the dvd results (tried it three times on a re-writable)

What does "no readable" mean? Can it be mounted?

Regards,
Eduard.

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[OT]I just got a phish call!!!

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson


An automated voice told me that my (non-existant, of course) 
Jefferson Parish[0] Credit Union Visa card has been blocked.


I immediately hung up on it, of course, and am slightly unnerved 
that "they" are now calling people at home with  personalized scams.


[0] Which is the county I live in.

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Re: [OT]I just got a phish call!!!

2008-12-19 Thread CaT
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:15:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> An automated voice told me that my (non-existant, of course) 
> Jefferson Parish[0] Credit Union Visa card has been blocked.
> 
> I immediately hung up on it, of course, and am slightly unnerved 
> that "they" are now calling people at home with  personalized scams.

Just as email is cheaper then post, so voip is cheaper then landline.

This leads to the obvious for those who are without scruples.

Hmmm. I have a distinct urge to call this 'phlegm'. ;)

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Re: [OT]I just got a phish call!!!

2008-12-19 Thread Robert Hodgins
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 20:15 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> An automated voice told me that my (non-existant, of course) 
> Jefferson Parish[0] Credit Union Visa card has been blocked.
> 
> I immediately hung up on it, of course, and am slightly unnerved 
> that "they" are now calling people at home with  personalized scams.

I get calls like that all the time from different places in the U.S.

> [0] Which is the county I live in.

Well, I live in Canada. Don't be unnerved.

It appears that the call-list that they are using isn't too focused.



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compile help please

2008-12-19 Thread Daniel Dalton
Hi,

I'm trying to compile tesseract from svn so I can do ocr.
Here is my problem I get compile errors... So, can someone please help?
At the bottom of this email is the output of stderr and stdout for the
following commands:
./configure
and 
make

So does anyone know how I get this to compile?

One other thing for tesseract people, what is the language package for?
Does the sources out of svn come with this, or should I download this
package from somewhere. If so how do I compile the language package for
tesseract in with everything else?

Thanks very much and .configure and make output follows:

./configure:
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for cl.exe... no
checking for g++... g++
checking for C++ compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C++ compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for working aclocal-1.4... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake-1.4... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for deflate in -lz... yes
checking for png_read_png in -lpng... yes
checking for jpeg_read_scanlines in -ljpeg... yes
checking for sem_init in -lpthread... yes
checking for pixCreate in -llept... no
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E
checking for egrep... grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... yes
checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking sys/ipc.h usability... yes
checking sys/ipc.h presence... yes
checking for sys/ipc.h... yes
checking sys/shm.h usability... yes
checking sys/shm.h presence... yes
checking for sys/shm.h... yes
checking limits.h usability... yes
checking limits.h presence... yes
checking for limits.h... yes
checking malloc.h usability... yes
checking malloc.h presence... yes
checking for malloc.h... yes
checking allheaders.h usability... yes
checking allheaders.h presence... yes
checking for allheaders.h... yes
checking for stdbool.h that conforms to C99... yes
checking for _Bool... no
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for special C compiler options needed for large files... no
checking for _FILE_OFFSET_BITS value needed for large files... 64
checking for _LARGE_FILES value needed for large files... no
checking for wchar_t... yes
checking for long long int... yes
checking for mbstate_t... yes
checking for size_t... yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for getpagesize... yes
checking for working mmap... yes
checking for pid_t... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking vfork.h usability... no
checking vfork.h presence... no
checking for vfork.h... no
checking for fork... yes
checking for vfork... yes
checking for working fork... yes
checking for working vfork... (cached) yes
checking for strerror... yes
checking for vsnprintf... yes
checking for gethostname... yes
checking for strchr... yes
checking for memcpy... yes
checking for acos... yes
checking for asin... yes
checking for Leffler libtiff library... checking linking with -ltiff... ok
setting LIBTIFF_CFLAGS=
setting LIBTIFF_LIBS=-ltiff
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating ccmain/Makefile
config.status: creating ccstruct/Makefile
config.status: creating ccutil/Makefile
config.status: creating classify/Makefile
config.status: creating cutil/Makefile
config.status: creating dict/Makefile
config.status: creating pageseg/Makefile
config.status: creating image/Makefile
config.status: creating textord/Makefile
config.status: creating viewer/Makefile
config.status: creating wordrec/Makefile
config.status: creating training/Makefile
config.status: creating tessdata/Makefile
config.status: creating tessdata/configs/Makefile
config.status: creating tessdata/tessconfigs/Makefile
config.status: creating testing/Makefile
config.status: creating dlltest/Makefile
config.status: crea

Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Napoleon

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/19/08 13:09, Nate Duehr wrote:

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 

As far as I know, Debian doesn't have an installer feature like
OpenBSD's where you can boot the installer, set up the disk 
partitions,

and run restore right from there (from tape, presumably a raw drive
partition as well, I don't know).

That's one "large-systems" feature which Linux really misses.


Real large-systems aren't taken off-line or ever restored from that 
low a level, usually.


If they are, it's because there was 8 feet of water in the server room, 


Or an idiot plumber with a brazing torch sets off the sprinklers, which 
dump thousands of gallons of water, which, naturally, flow down to the 
sub-basement data center, dropping right down on top of "my" SAN.


and even then, you probably failed over to your cold-site before it 
got that bad.


Unless the gov't agency who's contracted with you is too cheap to pay 
for a cold-site.  (Of course, after the "rain shower", they wised up and 
now pay for the cold site.)


If you just had a hardware failure, you're probably already running on 
the warm/hot spare system by the time you look into it.


So... you might be thinking "mid-sized" PC-based systems.  ;-)


No, these actually are large systems.  A combination of Z/OS, OpenVMS 
and HP-SUX all in a 24x364 DC.  Lots and lots of tape silos and twice 
daily visits from Iron Mountain couriers.




Agreed.  In fact, I would say the vast majority of the large systems out 
there do not have hot backups.  It is very expensive to maintain a hot 
backup; unless it is super critical they be up 24/7 (i.e. airline 
reservation systems, NORAD, etc.), chances are they have regular backups 
and off-site storage.



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Re: compile help please

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/19/08 20:46, Daniel Dalton wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to compile tesseract from svn so I can do ocr.
Here is my problem I get compile errors... So, can someone please help?
At the bottom of this email is the output of stderr and stdout for the
following commands:
./configure
and 
make


So does anyone know how I get this to compile?

One other thing for tesseract people, what is the language package for?
Does the sources out of svn come with this, or should I download this
package from somewhere. If so how do I compile the language package for
tesseract in with everything else?

[snip]

g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..   -I/usr/include/leptonica  -g -O2 -c 
scrollview.cpp
scrollview.cpp: In member function 'SVEvent* SVEvent::copy()':
scrollview.cpp:62: error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:63: error: 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp: In static member function 'static void* 
ScrollView::MessageReceiver(void*)':
scrollview.cpp:89: error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:107: error: 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp: In static member function 'static void* 
ScrollView::StartEventHandler(void*)':
scrollview.cpp:302: error: 'INT_MAX' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp: In member function 'char* ScrollView::ShowInputDialog(const 
char*)':
scrollview.cpp:689: error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:690: error: 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp: In member function 'char* ScrollView::AddEscapeChars(const 
char*)':
scrollview.cpp:795: error: 'strchr' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:800: error: 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:807: error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope
scrollview.cpp:807: error: 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope
make[3]: *** [scrollview.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/media/daniel-external/svn/tesseract-ocr/viewer'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/media/daniel-external/svn/tesseract-ocr/viewer'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/daniel-external/svn/tesseract-ocr'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2


Dumb question: is libc6-dev installed?  I'm sure it would have to be 
to pass "configure", but you never know...


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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:01:26PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/19/08 13:09, Nate Duehr wrote:
> >Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>>On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 
> No, these actually are large systems.  A combination of Z/OS, 
> OpenVMS and HP-SUX all in a 24x364 DC.  Lots and lots of tape silos 
> and twice daily visits from Iron Mountain couriers.

Did some marketing weenie really let them call a system:

HP-SUX

?

The policy/procedure/operations manual for such a site would be
interesting reading.

Doug.


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Re: [OT]I just got a phish call!!!

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 01:25:28PM +1100, CaT wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:15:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
> Hmmm. I have a distinct urge to call this 'phlegm'. ;)

Only if the programming was done by hackers.

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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:09:24PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > 
> >>>As far as I know, Debian doesn't have an installer feature like
> >>>OpenBSD's where you can boot the installer, set up the disk partitions,
> >>>and run restore right from there (from tape, presumably a raw drive
> >>>partition as well, I don't know).
> >>That's one "large-systems" feature which Linux really misses.
> 
> Real large-systems aren't taken off-line or ever restored from that low 
> a level, usually.
> 
> If they are, it's because there was 8 feet of water in the server room, 
> and even then, you probably failed over to your cold-site before it got 
> that bad.
> 
> If you just had a hardware failure, you're probably already running on 
> the warm/hot spare system by the time you look into it.

So, while running on the spare, don't you fix the failure and then have
to restore that box so that it either goes back to being the main box or
now becomes the spare?

> So... you might be thinking "mid-sized" PC-based systems.  ;-)

> >Much of the linux culture (the way to do things) seems to be aimed at
> >(developed by?) windows users.  
> 
> Hahaha... that was the funniest thing I read all day.

I'm thinking things like network-manager and DTEs, the way configs for
things like iceweasel end up in hard-to-figure-out setup files (there
was a recent thread on that topic).

> >Short of getting a job in a
> >"large-systems" shop (not going to happen), do you have any references,
> >hints, etc, on becoming more familiar with large-systems
> >practices/procedures/culture?
> 
> Why bother?  Go outside, enjoy some sunshine, have a life.  If it's cold 
> where you are, I hear snowmobiles are fun.

snowmobiles are dangerous, noisy, smelly...
snowshoes are slow and not really efficient in open spaces but great in
tight spots or if you can't ski.
X-country skis are great if you know how and if you have the right
size for conditions and care to spend time waxing.  

We're in the middle of a snow squall here and the phone line keeps
konking out.  Windchill is -26C.
 
> There's nothing useful other than self-edification about learning how to 
> manage "large systems" unless someone pays you to do it.

Nothing wrong with self-edification and its amazing where you can use
info that was initially learned just for self-edification.  Perhaps my
name should be Eddy since I'm so edified.

> (Plus if you want to know what it's REALLY like to manage large or 
> complex systems, just cancel all capital expenditures this quarter! 
> There's a worldwide economic panic going on amongst the same people who 
> screwed it up in the first place, don't you know?  No LTO tape drive or 
> any of those other toys you mentioned allowed... OKAY... NOW GRIN and 
> come up with a backup plan... and welcome to REAL large system's admin!)
 
Take an inventory of what hardware you _can_ access.  

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Re: compile help please

2008-12-19 Thread Daniel Dalton
>
> Dumb question: is libc6-dev installed?  I'm sure it would have to be to 

Yes it is.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Daniel


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dircolors - debian etch - broken by design?

2008-12-19 Thread Chris Jones
I have had problems with the legibility of some of the default ls colors
and figured it would take a quick read of the fine manual(s) and a bit
of tweaking to change them.

Well .. about four (!) hours and a lot of frustration later .. I have
not been able to change the default settings.

My .bashrc has the usual:

  eval `dircolors -b` 

I thought this was supposed to set the LS_COLORS variable to a string of
default coloring sequences that would be used by ls when run with the
--color=[auto|always] flag ..

So I figured I just needed to issue a "dircolors -p .dircolors" .. edit
the .dircolors file to my liking .. and then follow up with a "dircolors
-b .dircolors" and that should do it, right?

Well .. in an xterm .. whatever I do ..

  echo $LS_COLORS 

.. tells me that .. (1) LS_COLORS is set - if I type "$LS_COL + tab":
the shell is able to complete the variable and therefore "knows" about
it ..  and .. (2) that it is set to nothing printable ..  presumably an
empty string ..

Eventually, after hours of fruitless googling (which only revealed that
scores of applicants had been denied in the same way - nothing close to
half a solution) ..  and "testing" .. if you can call it that .. I
managed to calm down a bit :-) .. and I figured that dircolors is
probably broken..  

So I commented the above eval out of my .bashrc ..  and sure 'nuff ..
the next shell I started had all the default escape strings in the
LS_COLORS variable..!!!

When I run "dircolors -p" or even "strings $(which dircolors)" .. I
notice that there are a bunch of what look like supported terminfo
entries right at the beginning of all the hard-coded (!) stuff and that
well.. neither the xterm-256color or screen-256color-bce that I use on
my home machine are in there.. 

I strongly suspect that this may have something to do with my problem.

So, it looks like my options at this point are that I can either patch
(rewrite?) dircolors .. or just ignore it and code all my ls coloring
sequences in an "export LS_COLORS=" statement by hand?

Please advise.

Thanks!

CJ














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Re: Backup Image for my needs

2008-12-19 Thread Ron Johnson

On 12/19/08 20:52, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:01:26PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/19/08 13:09, Nate Duehr wrote:

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/17/08 19:51, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 
No, these actually are large systems.  A combination of Z/OS, 
OpenVMS and HP-SUX all in a 24x364 DC.  Lots and lots of tape silos 
and twice daily visits from Iron Mountain couriers.


Did some marketing weenie really let them call a system:

HP-SUX

?


Hardly.  It's HP-UX.

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Setting up a Debian server as a client for X11

2008-12-19 Thread paulalt (via Nabble)



I'd like to set up Debian (etch) --my VPS (no GUI)-- as a client for X11. My
server is X-Win32 on Vista. 

X-Win32 configuration gives me an error when I try to connect:
starnetssh> 809 SSH2 key exchange complete.
starnetssh> 810 Starting SSH2 user authentication.
starnetssh> 816 SSH2 user authentication complete.
starnetssh> 817 SSH protocol negotiation complete.
starnetssh> 818 Setup X11 tunnel starting.
starnetssh> 819 Setup X11 tunnel complete.
starnetssh> 821 Sending command: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -ls
starnetssh> 822 Command sent: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -ls
starnetssh> 701 channel 0: Channel::shutdownWrite: close() failed for wfd:
Unknown error
Program exited normally.

If anyone could point me into a right direction, I'd appreciate it. Thank
you




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