Re: Brother laserprinter refuses to print pdfs

[Jochen Schulz]

Chris Bannister:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 07:56:47PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I've a brother laserprinter (setup as network printer), which works
>> quite well in general, except that it refuses to print most pdfs.
> 
> apt-cache show cups-pdf

No, this package installs a virtual CUPS printer that generates PDF
files from print jobs. That way you can convert anything to PDF which
you can print.

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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Dan H.]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:05:43AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:

> I'm finally taking the plunge from full CLI to using an X server, and in
> place of Mutt I've been using Evolution; But Evolution is nowhere near
> as good as Mutt, with threading/speed/customizability (And to boot I
> can't even use GViM as my editor!).
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good GTK+ e-mail reader/writer? I have cron getting
> my e-mail so the client doesn't even need to have POP/IMAP.

I like Claws (called "sylpheed-claws" in Debian). Not to be confused with
the more basic and less GTKish "sylpheed". Of the X MUAs I've tried (Opera,
Thunderbird, Evolution) I like it by far the best. It also is by far the
fastest. GPG support isn't as smooth as in TB which provied an entire GUI
wrapper around GPG but it works fine.

That said, I switched from Claws to mutt a couple weeks ago and I'm loving
it. Well, I guess it's always fun to start something new.

Unfortunately mutt and Claws don't co-operate too well on one and the same
MH folder tree and, despite the availability of a plug-in called
"sylpheed-claws-gtk2-maildir-plugin", Claws doesn't deal with Maildir-style
folders. Specifically, if you want to use Claws and mutt concurrently, make
sure that folders don't contain both messages and subfolders (which Claws
permits but mutt doesnt). Also Claws unneccesarily puts a .mh-sequence tag
in folders that only contain subfolders which causes mutt not to show the
subfolders. These issues are (apparently) caused by mutt's incomplete MH
spec support.

Get Claws. It's fun and fast. As a mutt user you'll appreciate the latter.
And you're right about not using the built-in MTA functionality (as I've
discovered only after moving all that to fetchmail/procmail/exim). When you
first start Claws, it'll want you to set up a mail account with server and
all. Just asdf through that. When Claws is up and running, set up a new
account with Server "None (SMTP only)" and delete the dummy account you
created in the first set up. Y voilá.

Good luck,
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Re: low-MHz server

[Bob]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:18:50AM +0800, Bob wrote:
 
  
I'd get a modern ish server and underclock it, that way you'll be able 
to get more RAM and bigger hard drives, the Athlon XP was fairly easy to 
get down to 300 MHz with the FSB still @ 133, I never tried lower but I 
don't see why not, for comedy value see if you can get the CPU clocking 
lower than the RAM.



Thanks Bob,

I've been looking at all this.  There are many "desktop" or
"workstation" boxes around but they don't have lots of room.  This will
be important in the future.  100 MHz boxes aren't going to have a
magical come-back so whatever box I get will have to last well itself,
but also be able to be extended.  Consider that 8 years ago, having 9 GB
was huge, which a workstation would have while a server would have 12 of
those 9 GB drives.  Now, you need a 9 GB drive just to have room for
stuff and still be able to compile patches.  


I want a box into which I can plunk new hard drives without the BIOS
complaining.  I think this means SCSI which is more likely to mean a
server; as long as one can change the interface on the back-plane to
hook up to a faster scsi card to match the new drives.  Oye.

Right now there's nothing on eBay like this.  There are Proliant 2500
and 5000 workstations and IBM PC 300s, but nothing with lots of upgrade
space.
  


I wouldn't worry too much about the actual case, you can always change 
it, my current server is in a super cheap

http://www.aerocool.com.tw/case/masstige/masstige.html
which has no hard drive bays at all but it has 8 5.25" bays that I can 
put drive bays in.



I would _like_ (but not _need) the box to have PCI so that I could add,
e.g. a USB card if it didn't have it built-in.  Ditto faster SCSI (or
maybe SATA if it could connect, ditto multi-serial ports).
  


Go PCI (33 MHz) and PATA (100 MHz ??) while they're cheap (SATA has a 
link frequency of 1.5GHz)



I was also wondering, re RF/EMF shielding, if a rack-mount server in a
half-height rack with front and back doors may be a good way to go.
With the doors closed, there's a lot fewer openings large enough for the
EMF to get out.  
  


If your wife is genuinely sensitive (and I don't discount it, who'd've 
thunk we had a compass in our nose) I'd try to work out what frequencies 
effect her and use an oscilloscope to work out what emits RF at the 
undesirable frequencies, if she's not really sensitive but it's 
psychosomatic the placebo effect of you stalking the house with an 
oscilloscope and ebaying the microwave, hair drier, all your florescent 
lights & a couple of items she's suspected in the past will probably 
cure her, as long as you take it seriously and "scan" all new purchases 
etc...



I'm not sure, at the hardware level, how underclocking works.  Does it
slow down all electrical activity or does it just divide the clock down.
I know that this would reduce the bulk of the EMF frequency, but the
clock could still be going full-tilt.  300 MHz is still too fast.  I
want to stay under 200 and closer to 100 MHz.  
  


It works the other way round, my Front Side Bus runs at 133 MHz and my 
Athlon XP has a multiplier of 18 so it has an operating infrequency of 
2394 MHz, I think the lowest multiplier on Athlon CPUs is 5 so if you 
can get the FSB down to 33 MHz you'd have an operating infrequency of 
165 MHz, quite a lot of this extreme over or underclocking isn't 
available from BIOS and would have to be changed by a utility after 
booting, I only overclock under 'dows for gaming so I don't know what 
utility you'd use but I know the linux nvclock tool can underclock my 
old nVidia GPS and GRAM to under 100MHz.  One advantage of this is you 
can have a cron job run in the middle of the night, when you're asleep 
on the other side of the house, set to bring the FSB back to 133 and the 
multiplier back to 18, before performing any CPU heavy tasks and 
returning to low RF mode before morning.


According to http://fab51.com modern 65nm AM2 CPUs also go down to 5X


Looking on the OpenBSD platforms page, the hppa lists lots of
workstations but not servers under the PA-7100 and PA-7150 processors
(the rest run too fast).  HP's documentation on old servers is
incomplete.  


I know that the problem is that there was a narrow time-slot when
servers were in the 100-200 MHz range which had the capabilities I need
today and into the future, which are still available and supported on
current OpenBSD.

I'll keep my eye on eBay, my ear on misc@, and wait to hear from J.C.
Roberts to see what he has in his lab.

Thanks Bob.
  


My pleasure, good luck.


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Sarge EOL date

[Henrik Johansen]

Hi list,

Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one
year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge).

Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period
of Security Support ?


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USB HD permissions query

[Brad Rogers]

Hello All,

I'm curious as to why, when I change the filesystem type to ext3 on a
USB hard drive, I cannot write to the drive from normal user space,
only root access is allowed.

Changing the filesystem back to VFAT allows the writes to proceed
without problem.  A bit of investigating shows that as ext3 the drive
gets mounted root/root, but as VFAT it gets mounted as
/root.  So, that explains the read only status, but it does
beg the question;  Why the difference in UID/GID when changing
filesystems?

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dan H.]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 07:09:42PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> As a thunderbird user, what am I missing by not using mutt? 

As a recent convert, I can say: nothing. Although I'm coming from Clwas,
which, as far as X apps go, is a lot more mutty than TB.


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mailfilter (was Re: missing /var/mail)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote:
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> 
> example from .mailfilter:
> 
> DEFAULT=$HOME/Mail/IN-personal/
> 
> if (/^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/)
> {
> to "$HOME/Mail/IN-debian-user/"
> }
> 
> Notice the slash after IN-debian-user and IN-personal

Are you using Maildir?

This is how it has to look when you drop email into Maildir:

if ( /^Subject: \-\- Spam \-\-/ )
{
to "Maildir/.Spam"
}

if ( /^X-Mailing-List:.**/ )
{
to "Maildir/.Lists.Debian.User.2008q1"
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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:54:00AM +0100, Dan H. wrote:

> I like Claws (called "sylpheed-claws" in Debian). 

Recently renamed "claws".

BTW: of all the X-based clients, this (sylpheed and claws) is the only 
one I managed to figure out how to run imap through a custom pipe command 
(like pine and mutt have been able to do for years)

That said: I tried using it at home, but still use mutt.

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Re: Buying debian compatible laptop.

[Bob]

Joona Kiiski wrote:

Hello everyone,

I've been using debian a couple of years (still a newbie for most of
you hackers, though), but never installed it in laptop. Soon I'm
buying a new laptop and want to make sure it works smoothly with
debian.

I assume the biggest problem is the screen controller. I tried to take
a look at debian's and X.org's documentation, but didn't find a clear
answer which screen controllers work cleanly with debian (and X.org)
and which not.
In the past:
* ATI's drivers were a big problem (is that still the case?)
  


Yes the ATI binary driver has few fans but if you can find a laptop with 
an older R300 or R400 generation GPU the open driver is very good, 
alternatively the newer GPUs are supported by RadeonHD which is quite 
immature and has no acceleration yet, but the advantage of this is that 
every time new features get added you'll feel like you've upgraded your 
laptop.



* Nvidia drivers worked (at least after installing closed source
drivers manually) (is that still the case?)
  


They mostly work and you have nouveau maturing nicely, one day we may 
have open source drivers



* I've heard that Intel GMA should just work (is that the case?)
  


Good but slow.


Are there any other possible critical hardware incompatibilities (fx.
with sound system, dvd-drives, ethernet cards etc.) I should know
about
  


Wireless cards and webcams are the main culprits.

I'm looking for a laptop with a dual core AMD64 CPU, AMD GPU with 
dedicated (non-shared) GRAM, built in webcam, user changeable Harddrive 
& battery, high RAM capacity, large high quality screen, a nice keyboard 
and good linux support for all the power saving, suspends, wifi etc


I'd also like it to have DVI, SPDIF, USB2, FireWire, jumbo frame GbE, 
Infrared and eSATA ports

Has anyone seen one?


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Re: Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 driver]

[Anthony Campbell]

On 03 Feb 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:03:03 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 02 Feb 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > The 2.6.24 kernel has recently hit unstable, and it contains a new 
> > > shiny iwl3945 driver which should replace the old ipw3945 one. The 
> > > good news is that you will no longer need to run the ipw3945d binary 
> > > daemon, the bad news is that binary firmware is still required (but it 
> > > is available as a package). The plan is to remove ipw3945-modules-* 
> > > and ipw3945d packages from the archive as soon as 2.6.24 kernel hits 
> > > testing. Because of that, everyone running unstable and using ipw3945
> > > is encouraged to switch to using 2.6.24 and iwl3945 driver as soon as 
> > > possible. The switching instructions are available at 
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I really wish this "improvement" would not be forced on anyone who wants
> > to use the 2.6.24 kernel. In spite of numerous attempts over the last
> > few months I've never managed to get the new system to work. For 2.6.23
> > I managed to compile my own ipw3945-modules but I can't do that for
> > 2.6.24. So I'm stuck with the older kernels for the foreseeable future.
> > Why can't we have the option to use the older system if we want to?
> 
> The ipw3945 driver requires closed-source components and has been
> deprecated by Intel, the only party that has access to the full source
> code and hardware specifications. The kernel developers, on the other
> hand, generally don't care very much about breaking proprietary drivers
> with newer versions of the kernel, especially if there is an alternative
> available in the normal kernel tree. 
> 
> -- 

Unfortunately there does not seem to be an alternative for me. I had
another go at it last night. I set up things according to the advice on
the above site. Everything looked correct according to "ip a" and
"/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules", but nothing happened: the
indicator light never flickered to show the netwerk card was trying to
connect. This is what has always happened previously when I've tried to
use iwl3945. And I get this message:

wlan0: unknown hardware address type 801.

I googled for this and found some people on Ubuntu getting the same
thing but no obvious clue to what is wrong.

Anthony

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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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[snip]
> 
> I like Claws (called "sylpheed-claws" in Debian). Not to be confused with
> the more basic and less GTKish "sylpheed". Of the X MUAs I've tried (Opera,



Sylpheed has been GTK2 for quite some time now.  Almost 2 years.

> Thunderbird, Evolution) I like it by far the best. It also is by far the
> fastest. GPG support isn't as smooth as in TB which provied an entire GUI
> wrapper around GPG but it works fine.
> 
> That said, I switched from Claws to mutt a couple weeks ago and I'm loving
> it. Well, I guess it's always fun to start something new.
> 
> Unfortunately mutt and Claws don't co-operate too well on one and the same
> MH folder tree and, despite the availability of a plug-in called
> "sylpheed-claws-gtk2-maildir-plugin", Claws doesn't deal with Maildir-style
> folders. Specifically, if you want to use Claws and mutt concurrently, make
> sure that folders don't contain both messages and subfolders (which Claws
> permits but mutt doesnt). Also Claws unneccesarily puts a .mh-sequence tag
> in folders that only contain subfolders which causes mutt not to show the
> subfolders. These issues are (apparently) caused by mutt's incomplete MH
> spec support.
>
> Get Claws. It's fun and fast. As a mutt user you'll appreciate the latter.
> And you're right about not using the built-in MTA functionality (as I've
> discovered only after moving all that to fetchmail/procmail/exim). When you
> first start Claws, it'll want you to set up a mail account with server and
> all. Just asdf through that. When Claws is up and running, set up a new
> account with Server "None (SMTP only)" and delete the dummy account you
> created in the first set up. Y voilá.

Move all your email into an IMAP store.  Then you can use whatever
MUA you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about MUA
storage incompatibility.

(courier-imap and dovecot-imapd are popular IMAP packages.)

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Re: Buying debian compatible laptop.

[David Palmer]

Bob wrote:


I'm looking for a laptop with a dual core AMD64 CPU, AMD GPU with 
dedicated (non-shared) GRAM, built in webcam, user changeable 
Harddrive & battery, high RAM capacity, large high quality screen, a 
nice keyboard and good linux support for all the power saving, 
suspends, wifi etc


I'd also like it to have DVI, SPDIF, USB2, FireWire, jumbo frame GbE, 
Infrared and eSATA ports

Has anyone seen one?



At present, I'm looking (but only looking), at the M59 SLI here:

http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/products.asp?c1=3&c2=15

Regards,

David Palmer.


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Re: USB HD permissions query

[Magnus Therning]

Brad Rogers wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I'm curious as to why, when I change the filesystem type to ext3 on a
> USB hard drive, I cannot write to the drive from normal user space,
> only root access is allowed.
> 
> Changing the filesystem back to VFAT allows the writes to proceed
> without problem.  A bit of investigating shows that as ext3 the drive
> gets mounted root/root, but as VFAT it gets mounted as
> /root.  So, that explains the read only status, but it does
> beg the question;  Why the difference in UID/GID when changing
> filesystems?

With ext3 on the USB HD you end up having to treat it just like a
“static HD”, i.e. you have to make sure that the permissions on the
directory allows your user to write.  In short, use chmod or chown :-)

VFAT doesn't have permissions in the Unix sense (in any sense really).
instead the permissions are set disk-wide at mount time.  You can
influence that through 'mount' options; -o uid=,gid=.  See
the “fat” portion of mount(8) for more details.

/M

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Re: USB HD permissions query

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:53:44 +
Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Magnus,

> With ext3 on the USB HD you end up having to treat it just like a
> “static HD”, i.e. you have to make sure that the permissions on the

I wasn't aware of that.  I don't know why it should be the case, but
given the above

> directory allows your user to write.  In short, use chmod or chown :-)

...this makes sense.

> VFAT doesn't have permissions in the Unix sense (in any sense really).

Yes, I was aware of that, but didn't fully understand the implications.

> instead the permissions are set disk-wide at mount time.  You can
> influence that through 'mount' options; -o uid=,gid=.
> See the “fat” portion of mount(8) for more details.

Thanks for all the information, and references, Magnus.  Hopefully, my
reading the relevant parts of the mount manual will help.  Thanks also,
for the quick response.

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Re: USB HD permissions query

[Jochen Schulz]

Brad Rogers:
> 
> I'm curious as to why, when I change the filesystem type to ext3 on a
> USB hard drive, I cannot write to the drive from normal user space,
> only root access is allowed.

When mounting a filesystem on a directory, say, /mnt/test, the
filesystem's root directory "covers" the old directory /mnt/test, which
probably lives on your root filesystem. That means you're dealing with
two directories with distinct permissions. When you are using ext2/3 (or
any other UNIX file system), these permissions are stored inside the
filesystem you mount and can only be changed after mounting. When using
FAT, you have to give permissions as a mount option (if you don't want
everything to be owned root:root) because FAT doesn't know the concept
of file ownership.

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Re: Modem in Debian

[Pantor]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
 >  

Or provide yourself with a fax facility.


Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
machine as easy as the printer beside you.

Doug.



That is allright, but how to make modem working?


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Re: Modem in Debian

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On 02/04/08 04:02, Pantor wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
>>  > 
>>> Or provide yourself with a fax facility.
>>
>> Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
>> machine as easy as the printer beside you.
>>
>> Doug.
>>
>>
> That is allright, but how to make modem working?

First you need to determine whether it's a "Winmodem" (aka
"softmodem") or not.
http://www.linmodems.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softmodem

If you can determine that the modem will (or might) work with Linux,
 install wvdial, follow the prompts and pray.

Learning how to use Google to hunt for answers is also a necessary step.

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Re: Sarge EOL date

[Steve Kemp]

On Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 10:15:14 +0100, Henrik Johansen wrote:

> Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one
> year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge).
> 
> Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period
> of Security Support ?

  It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008.

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Re: Sarge EOL date

[Henrik Johansen]

Steve Kemp wrote:

[...]


Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one
year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge).

Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period
of Security Support ?


 It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008.


Thank you for clarifying that for me.


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Steve Lamb]

?? ?.  wrote:
> Quoth Dotan Cohen:
>> As a thunderbird user, what am I missing by not using mutt? Teach me,
>> if it's a better client than I'd love to learn it. I'm not afraid of
>> the CLI, and I'm not afraid of VI[M].

> What you're missing? Tedious
> fetchmail/procmail/maildrop/exim/sendmail-configuration, 200-lines .muttrc...

This is where it should've ended.  Most of the rest of the list doesn't
apply.  Dotan, if you're happy with TBird, stick with it.  If there's
something you don't like about TBird, see if there's an extension that
addresses it.  About the only serious problem with TBird is that the
documentation to write extensions is mired in it's Firefox roots.

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Re: urxvt [was Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?]

[Александър Л . Димитров]

Quoth Andrew Sackville-West:
> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 07:31:29PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 02/03/08 11:08, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:05:43AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > >> I'm finally taking the plunge from full CLI to using an X server, and in
> > >> place of Mutt I've been using Evolution; But Evolution is nowhere near
> > >> as good as Mutt, with threading/speed/customizability (And to boot I
> > >> can't even use GViM as my editor!).
> > >>
> > >> Can anyone suggest a good GTK+ e-mail reader/writer? I have cron getting
> > >> my e-mail so the client doesn't even need to have POP/IMAP.
> > >>
> > > 
> > > Mutt in a gnome-terminal? (At least you can then pretend that its GTK).
> > > 
> > > :)
> > 
> > Why waste all that RAM, when rxvt & xterm work just as well?
> 
> Of course the
> bloated gui-ified ones have nice features like right click menus, url
> highlighting and that sort of thing. 

You know that urxvt has that, too? A lot of different menus (try
control-mouse3 ore control-mouse2. You can even rot13 your selection! That's
what I call a geek's delight...) And url-selection and automatic forwarding to
browsers is just as easy. In your ~/.Xdefaults, write:

! Mark and launch URLs directly
URxvt.urlLauncher:  firefox
URxvt.perl-ext: matcher

And there you go!

> So, I lately started using urxvt because of it's client-server
> model. The visible usable instances of a terminal are just clients to
> the one true terminal server instance, I guess. There is only one
> instance of urxvt shown in ps -e. I guess that is truly some savings
> in footprint. 

Somewhere, I don't know where and I don't know if it's true, I heard that urxvtd
will not free() the storage connected to the individual clients. So you can't
reduce its memory usage by just killing them all off (you will, however
definetely free the space wired to the shells) - but when you create another
terminal instance that memory's going to be re-used, or so I heard. That may be
complete BS, though.

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Re: No printer in OOo

[Paul Csanyi]

2008/2/4, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added
> to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only
> print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not
> make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say,
> nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it
> printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance.

In the Help of Openoffice menu there is an answer:
You must use spadmin from the command prompt,
to add a printer.

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Re: gibberish in log file?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 05:56, Zach wrote:
> I am setting up a new PPP connection (dialup) and when I run pon I'm
> seeing some very strange things in my /var/log/messages
> (set it up with pppconfig like I normally do, never had any problems)
> 
> There are lots of weird characters, I used this machine 2 days ago
> (when old ISP was working) and didn't see any of this garbage in the

*VERY* important questions:

What do you mean by "old" ISP?  Do you now have a "new" ISP?

> logfile. I even ran my old pon (for the old isp that I don't use
> anymore) just now and it showed these weird characters as well.
> 
> This is totally baffling to me, I've never encountered this before and
> I did not do ANYTHING to my system in the past 2 days! I didn't
> install or remove any packages, didn't do any upgrades, didn't touch
> any config files. We lost power on Friday briefly and the system was
> hard booted but I used it the next day (Sat.) and didn't see any of
> these weird characters in the log.
> 
> Anyone have a clue what is going on and how I can fix it?

It looks like your chat script got corrupted...

Or your ISP changed something without telling anyone, knowing/hoping
that Windows DUN would handle the changes.

> I'm using Debian lenny with 2.6.18 kernel and I have my locale set to UTF8.
> 
> Here is a snippet from /var/log/messages:
> 
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: pppd options in effect:
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: debug debug^I^I# (from command line)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: updetach^I^I# (from command line)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: dump^I^I# (from command line)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noauth^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: user [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: remotename sysim^I^I# (from
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: /dev/ttyS0^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: 115200^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lock^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f
> /etc/chatscripts/sysim^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: crtscts^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: modem^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: asyncmap 0^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lcp-echo-failure 4^I^I# (from
> /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lcp-echo-interval 30^I^I# (from
> /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: hide-password^I^I# (from
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: ipparam sysim^I^I# (from
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noipdefault^I^I# (from 
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: defaultroute^I^I# (from 
> /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: proxyarp^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: usepeerdns^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noipx^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
> Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (BUSY)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (VOICE)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (DELAYED)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: send (ATZ^M)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: expect (OK)
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@L"[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^AYsLQ#p([EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@^E^B^A^@,Q#p([EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@)[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^@
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@^@([EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@9^F
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
> ^HD^Nn3EH^M'[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@yj^X|SBSBr$!*}^^]~sT^_Gz$>}]U[Kt76b^=}1^P}1#7^[HoS^DgzW^Px
> Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
> ^O`&?'hk^?yg42I<^PZMsD^C^D^M^]0^Cvl&;^M^KK7=Um5$MsC
> xmD`^OG^LWKcO^^Ga^K;;O2\\jw1^K$^I\^H^QJ^BMF{^\cT
[snip]
> Feb  4 06:17:42 netrek chat[3253]:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@^@([EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@([EMAIL PROTECTED]@:^Fd(D^No8EH^M'[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@fe;[EMAIL PROTECTED]@R3~~!E@
> Feb  4 06:17:42 netrek chat[3253]:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROT

Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 05:08, Dan H. wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:42:48AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>> Move all your email into an IMAP store.  Then you can use whatever
>> MUA you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about MUA
>> storage incompatibility.
> 
> You mean, locally?

IMAP is a standard "network" protocol.  Access it locally, across
the room (that's how my wife reads email from her machine while the
email sits on my box) or across the globe.  Isn't TCP/IP wonderful?

"Just" open the imaps port on your router and set up an SSL
certificate if you want the rest of the world to be able to access
your email.

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Re: Tbird kb shortcuts (was Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sun February 3 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > I don't view them in their own window. You do that by hitting ENTER when
> > in preview mode, correct? In its own window, it loses the "GO" menu
> > selection that has the go to next... is that a bug or a feature?
>
> Design decision or oversight, it doesn't matter.  The important
> point is that it doesn't work how I like an MUA to work.

you might want to ask on the kde-pim list or kde-linux. I've learned lots of 
good info from there, including getting my palm Treo to sync using kpilot.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 04/02/2008, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ?? ?.  wrote:
>  > Quoth Dotan Cohen:
>  >> As a thunderbird user, what am I missing by not using mutt? Teach me,
>  >> if it's a better client than I'd love to learn it. I'm not afraid of
>  >> the CLI, and I'm not afraid of VI[M].
>
>  > What you're missing? Tedious
>  > fetchmail/procmail/maildrop/exim/sendmail-configuration, 200-lines 
> .muttrc...
>
>
> This is where it should've ended.  Most of the rest of the list doesn't
>  apply.  Dotan, if you're happy with TBird, stick with it.  If there's
>  something you don't like about TBird, see if there's an extension that
>  addresses it.  About the only serious problem with TBird is that the
>  documentation to write extensions is mired in it's Firefox roots.

I will look at other GUI apps (not mutt or pine) and see if I can find
something that fits. Truth is, it will be hard to replace Tbird as
I've only two gripes with it, yet there's many features (through
extensions) that other mailers lack. A simple example is the ability
to right- or left- align text. For Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a
must. No other mailer provides that. And the Virtual Identity
extension makes the From address of replies the To address of the
original mail. It even saves which From address I use for each contact
when writing new messages. Simply brilliant, and no other mailer
provides that. Even though the relevant Kmail bug has been open for
over two years.

Dotan Cohen

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Re: Tbird kb shortcuts (was Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 06:57, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Sun February 3 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> I don't view them in their own window. You do that by hitting ENTER when
>>> in preview mode, correct? In its own window, it loses the "GO" menu
>>> selection that has the go to next... is that a bug or a feature?
>> Design decision or oversight, it doesn't matter.  The important
>> point is that it doesn't work how I like an MUA to work.
> 
> you might want to ask on the kde-pim list or kde-linux. I've learned lots of 
> good info from there, including getting my palm Treo to sync using kpilot.

Too late.  I'm back in GNOME, and the comfort zone of apps that work
(without lots of customization) the way I think that apps should work.

Maybe I'm just infected by the "Windows Way" (even though I love the
CLI and never use file managers), but that's the way it is, and I'm
happy.

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Re: dhcp connects but cannot resolve names

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2008-02-04 13:15:17 +0100, oxy wrote:
> i get a wifi dhcp connection at home, but cannot resolve names.

Bug 462570?

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Re: dhcp connects but cannot resolve names

[Michael Shuler]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:15:17 +0100, oxy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> me% dhclient ath0
> There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5104
> killed old client process, removed PID file
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4
> Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
> 
> wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> Listening on LPF/ath0/
> Sending on   LPF/ath0/
> Sending on   Socket/fallback
> DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1
> bound to 192.168.2.36 -- renewal in 164964 seconds.
> 
> me%  ifconfig ath0
> ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 
>   inet addr:192.168.2.36  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0

The DHCP server at 192.168.2.1 handed you an address - OK.  It should have also 
handed the client additional network information such as a default route, name 
servers, etc.

> me% route add default gw 192.168.2.36

This is incorrect.  The gateway will be a router - you have defined the default 
gateway to be your own client machine.  I would start over downing the ath0 
interface, and going back through your routine, stopping after you get an IP 
from 'dhclient ath0'.

Assuming the DHCP server is also the gateway router (and the DHCP server is 
configured properly), you should already have a default gateway route of 
192.168.2.1.  What is the output of the command 'route -n'?

> me% nslookup www.yahoo.com
> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

Check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf for 'nameserver [IP_address]' entries.  
'cat /etc/resolv.conf'?  Can you ping those IP addresses?

To see what the DHCP server is actually handing the client, 'cat 
/var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.ath0.leases', please.

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Re: Modem in Debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 07:47, John Hasler wrote:
> Ron Johnson writes:
>> The USR 5610C is an internal "hard" modem.  And because it's internal,
>> there's no need for extra wires, a wall-wart power supplies, etc.
> 
> Because it is inside your computer it also provides extra opportunities for
> lightning damage.

Unless you run the phone line thru a surge suppressor.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 04/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>  > I will look at other GUI apps (not mutt or pine) and see if I can find
>  > something that fits. Truth is, it will be hard to replace Tbird as
>  > I've only two gripes with it, yet there's many features (through
>  > extensions) that other mailers lack. A simple example is the ability
>  > to right- or left- align text.  For Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a
>  > must. No other mailer provides that.
>
>
> In .muttrc:
>
>   set display_filter=bidiv
>
>  Though this is not for the index window.
>
>
>  > And the Virtual Identity
>  > extension makes the From address of replies the To address of the
>  > original mail.
>
>
> http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual.html#alternates

Nice. I meant that no other GUI email clients that I had tried had
these features. Not Evolution, Sylpsheed[-claws], Kmail, or others.

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Modem in Debian

[Paul Johnson]

On Feb 4, 2008 6:30 AM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02/04/08 07:47, John Hasler wrote:
> > Ron Johnson writes:
> >> The USR 5610C is an internal "hard" modem.  And because it's internal,
> >> there's no need for extra wires, a wall-wart power supplies, etc.
> >
> > Because it is inside your computer it also provides extra opportunities for
> > lightning damage.
>
> Unless you run the phone line thru a surge suppressor.

Oh, yeah, because phone line surge suppressors never introduce massive
amounts of line noise that reduce connection speeds, if still allowing
connections at all...

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Re: No printer in OOo

[Dotan Cohen]

On 04/02/2008, Paul Csanyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/2/4, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added
>  > to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only
>  > print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not
>  > make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say,
>  > nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it
>  > printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance.
>
>
> In the Help of Openoffice menu there is an answer:
>  You must use spadmin from the command prompt,
>  to add a printer.
>

Thanks, Paul, I'll look into that.

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 09:37, Wei Chen wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/04/08 07:07, Wei Chen wrote:
>> [snip]
> 
>>> Web mail can also be a feasible solution. I use gmail to retrieve and
>>> aggregate emails from all my other mail boxes. In this way I can read
>>> mails from any places where an internet connection is available.
>>> Other merits over local IMAP include that you do not have to keep your
>>> desktop machine on for all day long, which is a saving of the
>>> environment, the probability of data loss on google clusters can be
>>> considered smaller than that of a desktop disk fault, and gmail can also
>>> be accessed using IMAP.
>> Call me tin-foil boy, but I'd rather not have all my sometimes-
>> sensitive email sitting on the servers of a company who's whole
>> business is based on "grepping" files looking for keywords, and
>> which has a proven track records of sharing said data with decidedly
>> authoritarian governments.
> 
> 
> Yes. What you said may be correct, but I'd rather not have my sensitive

Now that I think about it, though, was it Yahoo or Google that
turned over emails from dissenters to the PRC?

> information written in an email. Our daily sent emails, if not expressly
> encrypted and signed, are by nature not secure, unfortunately.

I hear what you are saying, and we all know that packet capture does
happen.  But it's much *easier* to analyze -- and turn over to
authorities -- emails that are sitting in some company's DC than it
is to search all the packets zipping thru a mega-router.

Note the emphasis on *easier*.

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Colours in VIM

[Pantor]

Hi lads,

is it possible to make coloured text in VIM?
For example: "This sentence is in red color. This sentence is in black 
color." The first should be in red.


Thank you,
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Re: Modem in Debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 09:13, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2008 6:30 AM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 02/04/08 07:47, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson writes:
 The USR 5610C is an internal "hard" modem.  And because it's internal,
 there's no need for extra wires, a wall-wart power supplies, etc.
>>> Because it is inside your computer it also provides extra opportunities for
>>> lightning damage.
>> Unless you run the phone line thru a surge suppressor.
> 
> Oh, yeah, because phone line surge suppressors never introduce massive
> amounts of line noise that reduce connection speeds, if still allowing
> connections at all...

I wouldn't know.  It's been a long time since I've used a modem...

Besides, what's to stop a big surge from arcing over the damaged
external modem circuits, down the RS-232 cable and onto the mobo?

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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 07:07, Wei Chen wrote:
[snip]
> 
> 
> Web mail can also be a feasible solution. I use gmail to retrieve and
> aggregate emails from all my other mail boxes. In this way I can read
> mails from any places where an internet connection is available.
> 
> Other merits over local IMAP include that you do not have to keep your
> desktop machine on for all day long, which is a saving of the
> environment, the probability of data loss on google clusters can be
> considered smaller than that of a desktop disk fault, and gmail can also
> be accessed using IMAP.

Call me tin-foil boy, but I'd rather not have all my sometimes-
sensitive email sitting on the servers of a company who's whole
business is based on "grepping" files looking for keywords, and
which has a proven track records of sharing said data with decidedly
authoritarian governments.

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Re: Sarge EOL date

[Henrik Johansen]

Kevin Mark wrote:

[...]


> Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one
> year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge).
> 
> Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period

> of Security Support ?

  It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008.

Steve
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Do you have systems that need this support continued? If so, there are
Debian consultants on www.debian.org. Do you have systems that can not
use testing or a newer stable release?


We have ~50 servers that still are running Sarge. All I needed was an
official EOL date so that I could plan the transition to Etch and justify
the use of extra manhours to upper management.


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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Wei Chen]

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/04/08 05:08, Dan H. wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:42:48AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>>> Move all your email into an IMAP store.  Then you can use whatever
>>> MUA you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about MUA
>>> storage incompatibility.
>> You mean, locally?
> 
> IMAP is a standard "network" protocol.  Access it locally, across
> the room (that's how my wife reads email from her machine while the
> email sits on my box) or across the globe.  Isn't TCP/IP wonderful?
> 
> "Just" open the imaps port on your router and set up an SSL
> certificate if you want the rest of the world to be able to access
> your email.
> 

Web mail can also be a feasible solution. I use gmail to retrieve and
aggregate emails from all my other mail boxes. In this way I can read
mails from any places where an internet connection is available.

Other merits over local IMAP include that you do not have to keep your
desktop machine on for all day long, which is a saving of the
environment, the probability of data loss on google clusters can be
considered smaller than that of a desktop disk fault, and gmail can also
be accessed using IMAP.

HTH

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kernel backporting on etch with "apt-get source"

[Stefan Kluth]

Hi,

I have found a way to re-create the "official" linux-image*.deb 
packages using the apt-get source command [1]:


#!/bin/bash
apt-get source -t unstable linux-image-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem
cd linux-2.6-2.6.24
fakeroot debian/rules debian/build debian/stamps
fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_none_686-bigmem
exit

which will create

linux-image-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem_2.6.24-2_i386.deb
linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem_2.6.24-2_i386.deb

However, I can't install 
linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem_2.6.24-2_i386.deb, because it 
depends on


linux-headers-2.6.24-1-common_2.6.24-2_i386.deb

and I could not figure out how to build this package using the 
makefile system of the debian kernel source.  I downloaded the 
package from the repository and could continue, but I would like to be 
able to actually build linux-headers-2.6.24-1-common myself to avoid 
inconsistencies.  I tried the "binary-indep" target, but without 
success.


Any ideas?

Cheers, Stefan

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Re: Alsa - no sound: I need to repeatedly run alsaconf every time I reboot computer

[Chris Lale]

Mitchell Laks wrote:
> Hi Gurus,
> 
> I seem to have to rerun alsaconf to reconfigure alsa every time I reboot my 
> computer.
> I have no idea why? I am running sid with debian standard kernel:  
[...]

Have a look at the solution on the NewbieDOC wiki [1]. Let us know if renaming
modprobe.conf does the trick.

[1]
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Sound_in_Debian_GNU/Linux#Some_applications_.28OSS_applications.29_produce_no_sound_in_ALSA

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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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> 
> Note that the G.F.W system of the government is in fact mainly based

GFW?

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Re: Colours in VIM

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Pantor wrote:

Hi lads,

is it possible to make coloured text in VIM?
For example: "This sentence is in red color. This sentence is in black 
color." The first should be in red.


For colors and fancy formatting, something like openoffice would be more 
suited. VIM is a text editor. You can ask it to display text colored 
according to some predefined syntax, but not arbitrarily.


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How can to set debian to write as less as possible (to use it on Flash drive)

[Jabka Atu]

Good day,...

Since my main pc is laptop i need something that will be as faill proof as
posible.
so i thought maybe to use flash drive as main drive and forget the swap or
what ever the problem rises how ?

I'm not sure but most of todaies flash drive has a lifetime for 50K write
per bit (not sure since i read about 100K somewhere) so it is really bad
idea to use flash as swap or /var/log etc.

the main question is how to set my favorite flavor (sid , sorry etch but i
don't love backports.. ) to work with as less as possible writes?
Ideas ? guides ? or what ever ...


http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB


but who can i disable writes without damaging my system i guess linked tmp
with ramdisk is a start but i need more ideas .

Thank you in advance.

SOLVED: Re: missing /var/mail

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:29:15AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Is there a conversion program?
> 
> mb2md.pl
 
Thanks, I missed that.

I even started a new thread asking for that.  Sorry.

I'll install it and get things converted.

I've got mutt so that it creates new mailboxes in maildir format.

Thanks for the help.  This should conclude the thread.

Doug.


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Re: low-MHz server

[David Brodbeck]

On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

I was also wondering, re RF/EMF shielding, if a rack-mount server in a
half-height rack with front and back doors may be a good way to go.
With the doors closed, there's a lot fewer openings large enough for  
the

EMF to get out.


I haven't been following this thread closely, so maybe this has  
already been brought up, but have you considered putting the machine  
in another room and placing only the monitor, keyboard, and mouse at  
your wife's workstation?  You can get one room over with typical KVM  
extension cables, and if you need to put it farther away you can get  
devices that can transmit KVM signals over CAT5 cable.  EM field  
strength drops off with the square of the distance, so you shouldn't  
have to get it very far away to make a big difference.  The lack of  
audible noise will be a nice bonus, and might contribute a placebo  
effect.


I once took this approach to dealing with a high-end CAD workstation  
that was just plain too noisy for an office environment.  The user was  
located against a wall shared with a warehouse space, so we drilled a  
1" hole in the wall and used extension cables.  Sometimes the simple  
solutions are the best.



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Re: How can to set debian to write as less as possible (to use it on Flash drive)

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:53:38PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> Good day,...
> 
> Since my main pc is laptop i need something that will be as faill proof as
> posible.
> so i thought maybe to use flash drive as main drive and forget the swap or
> what ever the problem rises how ?
> 
> I'm not sure but most of todaies flash drive has a lifetime for 50K write
> per bit (not sure since i read about 100K somewhere) so it is really bad
> idea to use flash as swap or /var/log etc.
> 
> the main question is how to set my favorite flavor (sid , sorry etch but i
> don't love backports.. ) to work with as less as possible writes?
> Ideas ? guides ? or what ever ...
> 
> 
> http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB
> 
> 
> but who can i disable writes without damaging my system i guess linked tmp
> with ramdisk is a start but i need more ideas .
> 
> Thank you in advance.
why not look at one of the distro's that are built for flash drive (openwrt ?)

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Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:41:11 +, Dimitrios Daskalakis wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge to
> etch.

Are you following the upgrade procedure that is outlined in Etch's
release notes?

> Having upgraded successfully the 2.4 kernel to 2.6, I
> update my sources.list (change sarge to stable, so I
> get etch) and I run aptitude upgrade. Then ...

Do you run "aptitude update" before that?

> aptitude   dist-upgrade
> 
> which unfortunately gives me these errors:

[...]

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable
>Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package.
>   xlibmesa-glu: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable
> Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package.
>   libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package.
>   libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed.
>   libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package.

Please post the output of these two commands:

apt-cache policy xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx

aptitude search '~i~Dlibfam0c102'

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Re: Modem in Debian

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:25:02AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
> Besides, what's to stop a big surge from arcing over the damaged
> external modem circuits, down the RS-232 cable and onto the mobo?

Impedence.

Inductance down thin wires over a long distance.

Doug.


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Re: Modem in Debian

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:02:42AM +, Pantor wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
> > >  
> >>Or provide yourself with a fax facility.
> >
> >Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
> >machine as easy as the printer beside you.
> >
> That is allright, but how to make modem working?

OK.  Serial stuff.

I've never had a PCI modem, only ISA internal and external modems.

Do PCI modems show up in dmesg with what ttyS? they've been assigned?

check dmesg and see what it says.

Do you have a manual for this modem to tell you what serial parameters
are default?

Install minicom so that you can try talking to the modem.  Read the man
page.

You may need to intstall setserial so that you can set up the serial
port presented by the modem.

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Re: cannot find audio codec for OxA - Mplayer unable to play sound of video

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:04:07 +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
> hi,, i am using
> $ uname -a
> Linux utkarsh-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 21:45:15 GMT 2007
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> my mplayer is unalble to play a sound of a video file and give the warning -
> 
> cannot find audio codec for OxA  or 0xA
> 
> its is .wmv and I have e64codec also,, on my system,,,

If you use mplayer's "identify" function on the .wmv file, i.e.:

mplayer -frames 0 -identify FILENAME.wmv

What is reported about the audio codec?

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Re: missing /var/mail

[Ron Johnson]

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> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 06:33:30AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:22:50AM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 09:45:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>  > 
> There are other mailbox formats, most notably Maildir, which store each
> message in a separate file.  If the system drops while a file is being
> written and that file's data is lost, then you only lose one message
> instead of the whole mailbox.
 That's exactly what I meant
>>> OK.  With stock Debian's exim4 and mutt, how do I switch from mbox to
>>> maildir?  I assume that once I do, the user's interaction with the mail
>>> from within Mutt will look the same?
>>   I believe that if you dpkg-reconfigure exim, you get a prompt asking
>> whether to use Maildir.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Its been quite easy.  dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose maildir.
> Add MAIL=/home/$USER/Maildir to /etc/bash.bashrc so that mutt picks it
> up.
> 
> One question:  Is there a way for bash to check Maildir for new mail or
> should I just disable its check alltogether?  It is misleading for it to
> say "no mail".  I also have been in the habit of using "from -c"; is
> there a Maildir equivalent?  I also see from the mutt man page that it
> refers one to the maildir(5) man page which I can't find.

It should be in courier-base.  Might also be in somewhere in dovecot.

> Ok, another question.
> 
> All our saved messages are in mbox format.  In the future, can mutt save
> messages to Maildir directories instead of mbox files?

Isn't that a configuration option within Mutt?  It's configurable in
Tbird, Evo, KMail, Lookout, etc.

>   Is there a
> conversion program?

mb2md.pl


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Re: Colours in VIM-AbiWord

[Paul Cartwright]

On Mon February 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> AbiWord is much lighter & smaller than OOo.
I saw AbiWord when I installed ... another distro ( Pu..y ...)
but I never used it. is abiword just a word processor, as opposed to a full 
suite, like OO ??
does it do .DOC conversion? smaller & lighter normally means less features. 
But I really don't use THAT many features of OO..


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Re: Colours in VIM

[Pantor]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 02/04/08 11:13, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

Pantor wrote:

Hi lads,

is it possible to make coloured text in VIM?
For example: "This sentence is in red color. This sentence is in black
color." The first should be in red.

For colors and fancy formatting, something like openoffice would be more
suited. VIM is a text editor. You can ask it to display text colored
according to some predefined syntax, but not arbitrarily.


AbiWord is much lighter & smaller than OOo.

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Exim4 is ready, Fetchmail almost working, hope that Procmail will do job 
in days, then Mutt in couple weeks. And of course always vim.


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Re: Colours in VIM

[Pantor]

Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

Pantor wrote:

Hi lads,

is it possible to make coloured text in VIM?
For example: "This sentence is in red color. This sentence is in black 
color." The first should be in red.


For colors and fancy formatting, something like openoffice would be more 
suited. VIM is a text editor. You can ask it to display text colored 
according to some predefined syntax, but not arbitrarily.



Should be possibility to put colors on ascii charset.


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Re: No printer in OOo

[Csányi Pál]

Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:33:01 + keltezéssel Tzafrir Cohen azt írta:

> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:53:13PM +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote:
>> 2008/2/4, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added
>> > to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only
>> > print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not
>> > make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say,
>> > nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it
>> > printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance.

Have you installed the following packages?

hpijs
hplip
hplip-data
foomatic-filters
foomatic-filters-ppds
cups-pdf
cupsys
cupsys-bsd
cupsys-client
cupsys-driver-gutenprint
cupsys-pt

Maybe  you don't need these all above listed.

Check your printer! Is it supported by GNU/Linux system?
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/printers.html

> I thought that part of the Linux integration got rid of the need to use
> spadmin. I don't recall configuring anything special with it. It has
> just used my existing cups configuration.

I agree with that.

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Re: Modem in Debian

[John Hasler]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> Unless you run the phone line thru a surge suppressor.

Doesn't always help.  The problem is usually a difference of potential
between the phone line and the power line under lightning fault conditions.

Ron Johnson writes:
> Oh, yeah, because phone line surge suppressors never introduce massive
> amounts of line noise that reduce connection speeds, if still allowing
> connections at all...

I have a power distribution center with filtering and protection that
powers all my computers and my DSL modem (scrounged at a local school).  It
has phone line protection that worked fine with dialup but I can't use it
with DSL.

> Besides, what's to stop a big surge from arcing over the damaged external
> modem circuits, down the RS-232 cable and onto the mobo?

That can happen, but it's less likely with an external modem.  I've lost
several modems to lightning but the only time I had a motherboard damaged
was when I was using an internal modem.
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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/04/08 07:07, Wei Chen wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>> Web mail can also be a feasible solution. I use gmail to retrieve and
>> aggregate emails from all my other mail boxes. In this way I can read
>> mails from any places where an internet connection is available.
> 
>> Other merits over local IMAP include that you do not have to keep your
>> desktop machine on for all day long, which is a saving of the
>> environment, the probability of data loss on google clusters can be
>> considered smaller than that of a desktop disk fault, and gmail can also
>> be accessed using IMAP.
> 
> Call me tin-foil boy, but I'd rather not have all my sometimes-
> sensitive email sitting on the servers of a company who's whole
> business is based on "grepping" files looking for keywords, and
> which has a proven track records of sharing said data with decidedly
> authoritarian governments.
> 

Yes. What you said may be correct, but I'd rather not have my sensitive
information written in an email. Our daily sent emails, if not expressly
encrypted and signed, are by nature not secure, unfortunately.

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Re: Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 driver]

[Anthony Campbell]

On 04 Feb 2008, Peter Jordan wrote:
> Anthony Campbell, 02/04/08 10:34:
> 
> > On 03 Feb 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:03:03 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> The ipw3945 driver requires closed-source components and has been
> >> deprecated by Intel, the only party that has access to the full source
> >> code and hardware specifications. The kernel developers, on the other
> >> hand, generally don't care very much about breaking proprietary drivers
> >> with newer versions of the kernel, especially if there is an alternative
> >> available in the normal kernel tree. 
> >>
> >> -- 
> > 
> > Unfortunately there does not seem to be an alternative for me. I had
> > another go at it last night. I set up things according to the advice on
> > the above site. Everything looked correct according to "ip a" and
> > "/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules", but nothing happened: the
> > indicator light never flickered to show the netwerk card was trying to
> > connect. This is what has always happened previously when I've tried to
> > use iwl3945. And I get this message:
> > 
> > wlan0: unknown hardware address type 801.
> > 
> > I googled for this and found some people on Ubuntu getting the same
> > thing but no obvious clue to what is wrong.
> > 
> > Anthony
> > 
> 
> The led function will be implemented later.
> Make sure, dhcp3-client is installed. That solved all my problems with
> iwl3945.
> 
> PJ

I already have dhcp3-client. I tried again, and no longer get the
"unknown hardware address type 801" error, which is progress of a sort,
I suppose. According to iwconfig and syslog the card has been detected
and appears to be working but it is not connecting. And I have "wlan0:
no wireless extensions."

Googling produces plenty of people with fairly similar problems but no
obvious solutions. 

Anthony

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Re: No printer in OOo

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:53:13PM +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote:
> 2008/2/4, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added
> > to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only
> > print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not
> > make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say,
> > nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it
> > printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance.
> 
> In the Help of Openoffice menu there is an answer:
> You must use spadmin from the command prompt,
> to add a printer.

I thought that part of the Linux integration got rid of the need to use
spadmin. I don't recall configuring anything special with it. It has
just used my existing cups configuration.

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Re: Problem with console and locales

[Florian Kulzer]

[ Please put your answers/reactions in the quoted older message instead
  of on top of it. This makes it easier for the other people on the list
  (who may not remember our earlier conversation) to follow the
  discussion. ]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:23:35 -0200, Andres Migliazzo wrote:
> Awesome... we are on the road now, I've tried console-setup package in
> combination with the
> console-terminus fonts as you told me, but the issue still remains. When I
> use "more" I see a "white square" instead of  "á - ú or ñ" characters, and
> when I check the text file with aspell it does not show these special
> characters neither (shows "C rdoba" instead of "Córdoba").

Maybe the file itself is not encoded in utf-8. Try to run "file" on it:

$ file test1.txt test2.txt
test1.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text
test2.txt: ISO-8859 text

(I created two short test files for this demonstration.)

$ hd test1.txt test2.txt
  43 c3 b3 72 64 6f 62 61  0a 43 f3 72 64 6f 62 61  |C..rdoba.C.rdoba|
0010  0a|.|

You see that the "ó" character is encoded as 0xc3 0xb3 (2 bytes) in
utf-8, but as 0xf3 (1 byte) in iso8859-1. Therefore, things can go
wrong:

$ cat test1.txt test2.txt
Córdoba
C�rdoba

My utf-8-based terminal does not understand the iso-8859 encoded "ó" and
prints a placeholder symbol instead. The "�" shows up as a question mark
sign in my X terminal and as a white square on my tty with the terminus
font.

You can convert the text to utf-8 with the "iconv" utility and then it
should work:

$ iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf8 test2.txt > test3.txt
$ cat test3.txt
Córdoba

The problem is that plain text files do not necessarily contain a header
that specifies the encoding, therefore a program that has to process the
text might not interpret the byte sequences correctly. (The "file"
utility analyzes the file and determines the encoding, but many other
programs just use some default setting.) The best approach is probably
to convert everything to utf-8 and set the defaults of all editors and
pagers accordingly.

If you have filenames with non-standard characters then the "convmv"
package can help to convert them so that they show up correctly on an
utf-8 setting.

Finally, don't forget that you have to put

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

into the preamble of your latex documents for latex to process the
special characters in a utf-8 input file correctly.
 
>  Maybe if I show you some of mine configuration files we can solve this:

[...]

> Euclides:/etc# egrep -v "^\#|^$" default/console-setup

[...]

> XKBMODEL="pc105"
> XKBLAYOUT="es"
> XKBVARIANT="nodeadkeys"
> XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:rwin"
> BOOTTIME_KMAP_MD5="80842f76431ec5259444e6b8f4a53b62"
> #
> 
> my xorg.conf file contains:
> 
> #
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver  "kbd"
> Option  "CoreKeyboard"
> Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
> Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
> Option  "XkbLayout" "es"
> Option  "XkbVariant""la"
> EndSection
> #

That looks all OK to me. If you want you can try whether console-setup
supports the "la" XKBVARIANT, then the two configurations would be
identical.

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Re: Modem in Debian

[John Hasler]

Ron Johnson writes:
> The USR 5610C is an internal "hard" modem.  And because it's internal,
> there's no need for extra wires, a wall-wart power supplies, etc.

Because it is inside your computer it also provides extra opportunities for
lightning damage.
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Re: Modem in Debian

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On 02/04/08 06:18, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * Pantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080204 04:07]:
>> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
>>>  >  
 Or provide yourself with a fax facility.
>>> Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
>>> machine as easy as the printer beside you.
> ...
> 
>> That is allright, but how to make modem working?
> 
> If the modem is an internal modem, it most likely is a "winmodem", in
> which case the only sane course of action is to remove it.  Then,
> physically destroy it, so that it does not cause grief to anyone else.
> 
> If you wish to have a very nice and robust fax capability for both
> receiving and sending, get a US Robotics Sportster external faxmodem
> (very inexpensive, inasmuch as many are being retired as people switch
> from dial-up to DSL), attach it to a serial port, and then install the
> hylafax package.

The USR 5610C is an internal "hard" modem.  And because it's
internal, there's no need for extra wires, a wall-wart power
supplies, etc.

http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5610c

> Configuration of the hylafax package takes two or three minutes;
> simply accept the defaults, and then enter your own telephone number
> and name. 
> 
> You may find helpful the document "Linux Fax Server: How to Set up Hylafax"
> (www.aboutdebian.com/fax.htm).  
> 
> RLH
> 
> 


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Re: [OT] Iran to attack my Browser??

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On 02/04/08 06:24, Александър Л. Димитров wrote:
> Seriously, this is quite odd...
> 
> take a look at the following two screenshots of Iran's ministry of foreign
> affair's site:
> 
> http://omploader.org/vYzU3
> http://omploader.org/vYzU4
> 
> Sorry to link you to some image-hosting site, but the screenshots are
> neccessary... as you can see, Opera displays this site quite fine, while 
> Firefox
> (3 beta) goes paranoid, suspecting incoming attacks from the Middle East.
> 
> What's up with that? Has Mozilla Corp. gone Republican? ... I doubt it.
> What's more likely is that someone over at stopbadware.org (on which Firefox'
> paranoid attacks seem to be based on) has made a joke. I doubt that an 
> official

Have you gone to stopbadware.org to try to determine why stopbadware
thinks that the MoFA web site is infected?

> server of the Iranian government could distribute malware (just look at the
> address: www.mfa.gov.ir - and no, it's not a Windows server accidentially
> infected with viruses. As you all now, Iran's not allowed to buy or use 
> Windows)

"Bad guys" *love* to try to infect Linux servers with malware
(specifically works and rootkits, since Linux is pretty well immune
from viruses), since Linux has a well-deserved reputation for long
uptimes.  They then use these compromised servers to spread viruses
to Windows clients and control them.

> So my question is: how do I disable FF's 'badware'-check? I'm not afraid of
> nobody! I'm only using the vimperator and AdBlock extensions to Firefox, so 
> this
> should not be the cause...
> 
> Thanks, and sorry to post something this off-topic, but since it _does_ 
> contain
> at least one technical question...

No, no.  This is an excellent question.  Even if you *do* seem a bit
paranoid.  Not everyone (*very* few, in fact) in the West is trying
to destroy Russia and Iran.

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Re: Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 driver]

[Peter Jordan]

Anthony Campbell, 02/04/08 10:34:

> On 03 Feb 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:03:03 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> The ipw3945 driver requires closed-source components and has been
>> deprecated by Intel, the only party that has access to the full source
>> code and hardware specifications. The kernel developers, on the other
>> hand, generally don't care very much about breaking proprietary drivers
>> with newer versions of the kernel, especially if there is an alternative
>> available in the normal kernel tree. 
>>
>> -- 
> 
> Unfortunately there does not seem to be an alternative for me. I had
> another go at it last night. I set up things according to the advice on
> the above site. Everything looked correct according to "ip a" and
> "/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules", but nothing happened: the
> indicator light never flickered to show the netwerk card was trying to
> connect. This is what has always happened previously when I've tried to
> use iwl3945. And I get this message:
> 
>   wlan0: unknown hardware address type 801.
> 
> I googled for this and found some people on Ubuntu getting the same
> thing but no obvious clue to what is wrong.
> 
> Anthony
> 

The led function will be implemented later.
Make sure, dhcp3-client is installed. That solved all my problems with
iwl3945.

PJ


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[OT] Iran to attack my Browser??

[Александър Л . Димитров]

Seriously, this is quite odd...

take a look at the following two screenshots of Iran's ministry of foreign
affair's site:

http://omploader.org/vYzU3
http://omploader.org/vYzU4

Sorry to link you to some image-hosting site, but the screenshots are
neccessary... as you can see, Opera displays this site quite fine, while Firefox
(3 beta) goes paranoid, suspecting incoming attacks from the Middle East.

What's up with that? Has Mozilla Corp. gone Republican? ... I doubt it.
What's more likely is that someone over at stopbadware.org (on which Firefox'
paranoid attacks seem to be based on) has made a joke. I doubt that an official
server of the Iranian government could distribute malware (just look at the
address: www.mfa.gov.ir - and no, it's not a Windows server accidentially
infected with viruses. As you all now, Iran's not allowed to buy or use Windows)

So my question is: how do I disable FF's 'badware'-check? I'm not afraid of
nobody! I'm only using the vimperator and AdBlock extensions to Firefox, so this
should not be the cause...

Thanks, and sorry to post something this off-topic, but since it _does_ contain
at least one technical question...

Aleks


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Re: Thinkpad T61 Power Management

[Thierry San Juan]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:43:12PM -0800, Thierry San Juan wrote:

I installed Debian Sid on a new Thinkpad T61, and running into some
issues in regard to power management:

I am running kernel 2.6.24-1-amd64.


...


2. When running on battery, the Gnome Power Manager applet is unable
to read the battery status, the message reads: "battery discharge time
is currently unknown".


So far as I know, this is a problem with the latest kernels changing
their acpi interface. The battery status (and other acpi stuff, I
guess) is being moved over to the sysfs interface from the procfs
interface. Many (most? all?) of the clients programs that read that
data do not look in the right place yet. There are a few bug reports
that mention this, so I would assume it's being worked on. 


I use this little gem:

batt_now=$(cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_now)
batt_full=$(cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full)
batt_stat=$(cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/status)" "$(echo\
"scale=2; ($batt_now*100)/$batt_full" | bc)" %"

to get a guess of the battery status on my lappy. This get's piped to
a stdin-reading taskbar (I used xmobar, dzen would work as well, and
maybe others), but that won't integrate into gnome very well, I
imagine. 


A


What is interesting is that "hibernate" works fine, although it is a 
little slow to write to disk.
For the battery, I used to have an Acer with one of those "smart 
battery", and I never was able to get the power manager to read the 
battery status. Now, I have a Thinkpad, and still running into acpi 
issues in regard to the battery. what a bummer.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback. Hopefully, We'll get this resolved soon 
enough.



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[SOLVED] cups works but dont print out!

[Andrea Ganduglia]

HP Laserjet 1020 and others similar printers require:
http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/

Thx.

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Date: Jan 24, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: cups works but dont print out!
To: usr_debian 

Hi!

# lpr -Ppepi todo
# tail -f /var/log/cups/access_log

localhost - - [24/Jan/2008:19:14:00 +0100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 417
CUPS-Get-Classes successful-ok
localhost - - [24/Jan/2008:19:14:00 +0100] "POST /printers/pepi
HTTP/1.1" 200 1335 Print-Job successful-ok

But printer do not print!!

# lpr -Pvirtual todo
# tail -f /var/log/cups/access_log

localhost - - [24/Jan/2008:19:15:34 +0100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 417
CUPS-Get-Classes successful-ok
localhost - - [24/Jan/2008:19:15:34 +0100] "POST /printers/virtual
HTTP/1.1" 200 1348 Print-Job successful-ok

todo.pdf has been printed out (on PDF!)

pepi is a HP1020 local printer throw USB. When I print something cups
do not returns any error and queue is created in /var/spool/cups, but
printer dont print out. I tried to restart cups, udev, change USB
port, shut down printer, dancing around, but nothing happens!!

Can you help me?

Printer works perfectly with ohters PCs, then I think that the problem
is located around USB or in any case after CUPS works.

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Re: low-MHz server

[John Hasler]

David Brodbeck writes:
> ...have you considered putting the machine in another room and placing
> only the monitor, keyboard, and mouse at your wife's workstation?

Or put the computer in the basement and set her up with a diskless
X-terminal based on an old, slow pc.
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Re: hard drive not spinning down.

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 07:22:22PM +0100, Andrew Henry wrote:
> I run Lenny on an Acer Aspire 5021WLMi laptop as an ssh server and I
> noticed that the hard drive is getting very very hot so that the
> touchpad is almost burning hot.  I suspect that the drive is not
> spinning down when idle (and it's basically *always* idle, unless I
> connect from work).  How can I check if it is spinning down and are
> there any commands to do this manually?  I had to install cpufreq tools
> to enable stepping on my CPU manually, so it seems like power management
> tools aren't enabled by default in Debian?

Well, if the fans are working on the laptop it should never get burning
hot.  There's no reason why a laptop can't run with its drive spinning
all the time (unless its on battery and you want to save the battery).

Check for airflow.  Also, note any difference in airflow between bios
screen (where you can verify the fan rpm) and during boot, and after
booting into debian.

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Re: SOLVED: Modem in Debian

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 07:15:55PM +, Pantor wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:02:42AM +, Pantor wrote:
> >>Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
>  
> Or provide yourself with a fax facility.
> >>>Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
> >>>machine as easy as the printer beside you.
> >>>
> >>That is allright, but how to make modem working?
> >
> >OK.  Serial stuff.
> >
> >I've never had a PCI modem, only ISA internal and external modems.
> >
> >Do PCI modems show up in dmesg with what ttyS? they've been assigned?
> >
> >check dmesg and see what it says.
> >
> >Do you have a manual for this modem to tell you what serial parameters
> >are default?
> >
> >Install minicom so that you can try talking to the modem.  Read the man
> >page.
> >
> >You may need to intstall setserial so that you can set up the serial
> >port presented by the modem.
> >
> No, dmesg says nothing. Modem is going out of PC.

Don't give up.

What about 
$ dmesg | grep -i tty

What serial ports show up; any more than are present on the box (other
than the modem)?  The highest-numbered one will likely be the modem.

Doug.


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Re: Modem in Debian

[Mirko Parthey]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:16:57PM +, Pantor wrote:
> there is a modem plugged to PCI slot and no idea what to do with it.
> Any suggestions, advices, please.
> 
> Regards.
> Andrius

Check out http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
and run the scanmodem tool provided there -
it should produce useful documentation for your modem.

Regards,
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Re: low-MHz server

[Kelly Harding]

If you have a garage or shed that might work, keep it outside, a
Sparstation or other UNIX type machine would probably handle the
extremes of possible conditions if it isn't heated better than a
generic pc would.

Also, consider that wall-warts are often the biggest producers of EM
radiation too, even stuff on standby will put out a fair amount.

Kelly


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changine mutt's saved mail from mbox to Maildir

[Douglas A. Tutty]

I recently changed from mbox to Maildir format.

Everything works fine: mail delivered to maildir, mutt reads it fine and
will save to new mailboxes in maildir format.  However, I have hundreds
(? thousands) of emails in mbox format which I wish to restore in
Maildir format.

Is there a script somewhere to do this?

The reason for the change is a horse/barn-door episode after a power
failure killed /var/mail/$USER.  I refer to my saved messages and
wouldn't, for example, to have a powerfailure kill ~/Mail/DU.

Doug.


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Re: How can to set debian to write as less as possible (to use it on Flash drive)

[Kelly Harding]

There are special flash filesystems developed.

One of these is jffs iirc. Look at embedded linux/distro information
as they do a lot with these sorts of things.

Kelly


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Re: Colours in VIM

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On 02/04/08 11:13, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Pantor wrote:
>> Hi lads,
>>
>> is it possible to make coloured text in VIM?
>> For example: "This sentence is in red color. This sentence is in black
>> color." The first should be in red.
> 
> For colors and fancy formatting, something like openoffice would be more
> suited. VIM is a text editor. You can ask it to display text colored
> according to some predefined syntax, but not arbitrarily.

AbiWord is much lighter & smaller than OOo.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

Op Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:50:41 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> A simple example is the ability to right- or left- align text. For
> Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a must. No other mailer provides
> that.

In Sylpheed I see your Hebrew text right aligned.

> And the Virtual Identity extension makes the From address of replies
> the To address of the original mail.

In Sylpheed you can filter the messages to a folder depending on the To
address, and specify an account (and its From address) to be used with
this folder.

For example, the messages from this list are filtered to a 'debian'
folder; the From address of this message has been taken from my 'debian'
account because I'm in the 'debian' folder.


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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Dan H.]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:42:48AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Move all your email into an IMAP store.  Then you can use whatever
> MUA you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about MUA
> storage incompatibility.

You mean, locally?

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QWERTY variant of Slovak keybaord---missing?

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Hello,

Occassionally, I need to use Slovak keyboard layout. I (and I guess many if not 
most Slovaks) are
used to QWERTY rather than QWERTZ.

Previous Debian versions included this file:

/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/sk_qwerty

so that within

/etc/X11/xorg.conf

I could make use of it as follows:

Option  "XkbLayout" "us,sk_qwerty"
Option  "XkbOptions""grp:menu_toggle,grp_led:scroll"

But `sk_qwerty' file disappeared? Is this an ommision or some purpose? I see 
only

/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/sk

which is QWERTZ. Am I right?

The difference between these two files is small:

- --
debian:/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols$ diff sk_qwerty sk
1c1
< // $XKeyboardConfig: xkbdesc/symbols/sk,v 1.8 2005-01-16 02:18:20 svu Exp $
- ---
> // $XKeyboardConfig: xkbdesc/symbols/sk,v 1.8 2005/01/16 02:18:20 svu Exp $
36c36
< key { [ y,  Y, NoSymbol, NoSymbol ] 
};
- ---
> key { [ z,  Z, NoSymbol, NoSymbol ] 
> };
61c61
< key { [ z,  Z,   degree, NoSymbol ] 
};
- ---
> key { [ y,  Y,   degree, NoSymbol ] 
> };
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but it is worth to have both variants (I am not sure about QWERTZ though, but I 
am certainly for
QWERTY variant for sure).

The changes are somehow related to transition from

http://packages.debian.org/etch/xkb-data-legacy

to

http://packages.debian.org/etch/xkb-data

Should I report this as a (minor) bug of `xkb-data' or did I misunderstood 
something?

Best regards,
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Re: USB HD permissions query

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:10:53 +0100
Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Jochen,

> any other UNIX file system), these permissions are stored inside the
> filesystem you mount and can only be changed after mounting. When

Ah, that's now a lot clearer.  I sort of understood what Magnus wrote,
but your explanation clarifies the situation.

> using FAT, you have to give permissions as a mount option (if you
> don't want everything to be owned root:root) because FAT doesn't know
> the concept of file ownership.

As I said to Magnus, I knew that, but didn't fully comprehend the
implications.

Thanks for your help.  It's greatly appreciated.

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No printer in OOo

[Dotan Cohen]

On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added
to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only
print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not
make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say,
nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it
printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[José Santos]

> On 02/04/08 07:07, Wei Chen wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > 
> > Web mail can also be a feasible solution. I use gmail to retrieve and
> > aggregate emails from all my other mail boxes. In this way I can read
> > mails from any places where an internet connection is available.
> > 
> > Other merits over local IMAP include that you do not have to keep your
> > desktop machine on for all day long, which is a saving of the
> > environment, the probability of data loss on google clusters can be
> > considered smaller than that of a desktop disk fault, and gmail can also
> > be accessed using IMAP.
> 
> Call me tin-foil boy, but I'd rather not have all my sometimes-
> sensitive email sitting on the servers of a company who's whole
> business is based on "grepping" files looking for keywords, and
> which has a proven track records of sharing said data with decidedly
> authoritarian governments.
> 
I second that entirely!
And you can also call me "tin-foil boy", i have deleted my gmail account
long time ago.
I rhather pay for email service to a company who's business model is to
get paid for their services and not to poke around with one's data.
Plus, some company's use Debian on their email servers, develop and
contribute code to the community.
By the way, i currently use TB configured with imap server, when i get
the chance i will get mutt working because i heard so many good things
about it.
 
José Santos
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Re: [OT] Iran to attack my Browser??

[Mihira Fernando]

?? ?.  wrote:

Seriously, this is quite odd...

take a look at the following two screenshots of Iran's ministry of foreign
affair's site:

http://omploader.org/vYzU3
http://omploader.org/vYzU4

Sorry to link you to some image-hosting site, but the screenshots are
neccessary... as you can see, Opera displays this site quite fine, while Firefox
(3 beta) goes paranoid, suspecting incoming attacks from the Middle East.

What's up with that? Has Mozilla Corp. gone Republican? ... I doubt it.
What's more likely is that someone over at stopbadware.org (on which Firefox'
paranoid attacks seem to be based on) has made a joke. I doubt that an official
server of the Iranian government could distribute malware (just look at the
address: www.mfa.gov.ir - and no, it's not a Windows server accidentially
infected with viruses. As you all now, Iran's not allowed to buy or use Windows)

So my question is: how do I disable FF's 'badware'-check? I'm not afraid of
nobody! I'm only using the vimperator and AdBlock extensions to Firefox, so this
should not be the cause...

Thanks, and sorry to post something this off-topic, but since it _does_ contain
at least one technical question...

Aleks


The site www.mfa.gov.ir opens fine here on Iceweasel version 2.0.0.10
Something on FF3 or your plugins for FF3 is probably doing the blocking.

Mihira.

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A delicate relationship like this changes gradually once it is noticed,
and keeps on blossoming, Just like the changing seasons."
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dhcp connects but cannot resolve names

[oxy]

Hi friends,
i get a wifi dhcp connection at home, but cannot resolve names.
I can ping ip addresses around the world, but cannot ping hostnames,
since they are not resolved. I configured with iwconfig, iwpriv
as shown bellow. The first configuration i tried with network manager.
No success, but many people report problems with it anyway.
Take a look at my main steps to connection:

me% iwconfig ath0 essid  key 
me% iwpriv ath0 authmode 1
me% iwconfig ath0 ap 

me% dhclient ath0
There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5104
killed old client process, removed PID file
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4
Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/

wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
Listening on LPF/ath0/
Sending on   LPF/ath0/
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1
bound to 192.168.2.36 -- renewal in 164964 seconds.

me% echo "but i am connected, look the ping .."
me% ping 64.233.187.99
PING 64.233.187.99 (64.233.187.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=240 time=194 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=240 time=189 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=240 time=186 ms
... ... ...

me%  ifconfig ath0
ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 
  inet addr:192.168.2.36  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::bla bla bla/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:572 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:493 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:186953 (182.5 KiB)  TX bytes:102942 (100.5 KiB)

me% route add default gw 192.168.2.36
me% nslookup www.yahoo.com
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

me% echo "its a debian etch, madwifi driver, atheros r5 card :-) \
thanks in advance for any help ..."


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gibberish in log file?

[Zach]

I am setting up a new PPP connection (dialup) and when I run pon I'm
seeing some very strange things in my /var/log/messages
(set it up with pppconfig like I normally do, never had any problems)

There are lots of weird characters, I used this machine 2 days ago
(when old ISP was working) and didn't see any of this garbage in the
logfile. I even ran my old pon (for the old isp that I don't use
anymore) just now and it showed these weird characters as well.

This is totally baffling to me, I've never encountered this before and
I did not do ANYTHING to my system in the past 2 days! I didn't
install or remove any packages, didn't do any upgrades, didn't touch
any config files. We lost power on Friday briefly and the system was
hard booted but I used it the next day (Sat.) and didn't see any of
these weird characters in the log.

Anyone have a clue what is going on and how I can fix it?

I'm using Debian lenny with 2.6.18 kernel and I have my locale set to UTF8.

Here is a snippet from /var/log/messages:

Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: pppd options in effect:
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: debug debug^I^I# (from command line)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: updetach^I^I# (from command line)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: dump^I^I# (from command line)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noauth^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: user [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from
/etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: remotename sysim^I^I# (from
/etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: /dev/ttyS0^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: 115200^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lock^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f
/etc/chatscripts/sysim^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: crtscts^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: modem^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: asyncmap 0^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lcp-echo-failure 4^I^I# (from
/etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: lcp-echo-interval 30^I^I# (from
/etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: hide-password^I^I# (from
/etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: ipparam sysim^I^I# (from
/etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noipdefault^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: defaultroute^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: proxyarp^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: usepeerdns^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/peers/sysim)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: noipx^I^I# (from /etc/ppp/options)
Feb  4 06:16:13 netrek pppd[3252]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (BUSY)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (VOICE)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: abort on (DELAYED)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: send (ATZ^M)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: expect (OK)
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@L"[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^AYsLQ#p([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@^E^B^A^@,Q#p([EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@)[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^@
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^@([EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@9^F
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
^HD^Nn3EH^M'[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@yj^X|SBSBr$!*}^^]~sT^_Gz$>}]U[Kt76b^=}1^P}1#7^[HoS^DgzW^Px
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
^O`&?'hk^?yg42I<^PZMsD^C^D^M^]0^Cvl&;^M^KK7=Um5$MsC
xmD`^OG^LWKcO^^Ga^K;;O2\\jw1^K$^I\^H^QJ^BMF{^\cT
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
^^]|9a1^YMXG^E^^hK{yl<=O*Cf^Ts^Zmf}3P^T6K/^?_Ce^YtK^U^]]^Ue4a^B[^P?^PH(ZNT1}1<^F<|'^G'j^;p%LBfy^]^L
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: 2JRmIFIOrI|k"T8I]I^D^F ^R
gt/7'R{3F[EMAIL PROTECTED]>tQZ#YV)\j]F^B&^[^KJ7p=^M^Oz^MAVumE^U-L}4{^V-5;_,$^V
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
<(Nd`~^U#jio^Xh^L^L^Gi1^Qt=h"3^TS\r1Q^MZmM&tZGDk]^^H"Mp;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
S^WR^Fytqp^ZxCfF^]pI^?^@
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]: (.^TO^S!^HF"2j{E?EO^Ak3^hW^^^Y:{"[
^H$Qn\,HOL02]^O/-|A*DSS;X2"[EMAIL PROTECTED]("
Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
^KF}]^^;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL 
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Feb  4 06:16:14 netrek chat[3253]:
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Re: Modem in Debian

[Russell L. Harris]

* Pantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080204 04:07]:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:28:06AM +0900, David Palmer wrote:
>>  >  
>>> Or provide yourself with a fax facility.
>>
>> Especially handy if tied up with an LPD spool.  Makes someone's fax
>> machine as easy as the printer beside you.
...

> That is allright, but how to make modem working?

If the modem is an internal modem, it most likely is a "winmodem", in
which case the only sane course of action is to remove it.  Then,
physically destroy it, so that it does not cause grief to anyone else.

If you wish to have a very nice and robust fax capability for both
receiving and sending, get a US Robotics Sportster external faxmodem
(very inexpensive, inasmuch as many are being retired as people switch
from dial-up to DSL), attach it to a serial port, and then install the
hylafax package.

Configuration of the hylafax package takes two or three minutes;
simply accept the defaults, and then enter your own telephone number
and name. 

You may find helpful the document "Linux Fax Server: How to Set up Hylafax"
(www.aboutdebian.com/fax.htm).  

RLH


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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Jochen Schulz]

Dan H.:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:42:48AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>> Move all your email into an IMAP store.  Then you can use whatever
>> MUA you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about MUA
>> storage incompatibility.
> 
> You mean, locally?

I guess he does. I am running an IMAP server on my main mail reading
machine, too. As soon as you have more than one computer, an IMAP server
is the best solution anyway. I use Dovecot and it's more or less
maintenance free.

J.
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Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?

[Wei Chen]

On Feb 4, 2008 11:58 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 02/04/08 09:37, Wei Chen wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> On 02/04/08 07:07, Wei Chen wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >
> >> Call me tin-foil boy, but I'd rather not have all my sometimes-
> >> sensitive email sitting on the servers of a company who's whole
> >> business is based on "grepping" files looking for keywords, and
> >> which has a proven track records of sharing said data with decidedly
> >> authoritarian governments.
> >
> >
> > Yes. What you said may be correct, but I'd rather not have my sensitive
>
> Now that I think about it, though, was it Yahoo or Google that
> turned over emails from dissenters to the PRC?

I cannot recall that, either.

>
> > information written in an email. Our daily sent emails, if not expressly
> > encrypted and signed, are by nature not secure, unfortunately.
>
> I hear what you are saying, and we all know that packet capture does
> happen.  But it's much *easier* to analyze -- and turn over to
> authorities -- emails that are sitting in some company's DC than it
> is to search all the packets zipping thru a mega-router.
>
> Note the emphasis on *easier*.
>

Note that the G.F.W system of the government is in fact mainly based
on ip packet filtering on back bone routers...

When not talking about extreme situations, we ordinary people never
think about the breaking of the government. The government never has
interest about one's girl friend's name or the color of one's car. The
situation is not so bad as foreigners may think. And besides, it's
better to have a filtered service than no service.

Back to the topic, personally I think the Web-based mail service is
good enough for ordinary people like me myself so far, though I think
it is definitely not suitable for ones like secret service agents,
therefore is recommended for the OP. ;-)

HTH

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Re: Modem in Debian

[Christopher Judd]

On Monday 04 February 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:

> ...
> I wouldn't know.  It's been a long time since I've used a modem...
>
> Besides, what's to stop a big surge from arcing over the damaged
> external modem circuits, down the RS-232 cable and onto the mobo?
>

Which is exactly what happened to me several years ago.  A (very) 
nearby lightning strike took out the modem and the serial port
that it was connected to.  

-Chris


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Sylpheed bad filename encoding (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Dotan Cohen]

On 04/02/2008, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Sounds great, but the only thing that really makes me interested is
>  > the full keyboard control, as none of the other features I need. I'll
>  > start looking for Tbird extensions that might help, or I'll learn to
>  > write my own. I'm glad I asked, though. Thanks.
>
> I'm a Sylpheed fan, and not a particularly expert one, and I control it
>  almost exclusively via keyboard.  You can bind custom key combos to
>  functions using the standard GTK method.
>

I just installed Sylpheed as I need good keyboard control. However,
when I start it I get this message:

The locale encoding is not UTF-8, but the environmental variable
G_FILENAME_ENCODING is not set.
If the locale encoding is used for file name or directory name, it
will not work correctly.
In that case, you must set the following environmental variable (see
README for detail):
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However, I insist that I have a UTF-8 locale:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
LANG=he_IL.utf8
LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE="he_IL.utf8"
LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.utf8"
LC_TIME="he_IL.utf8"
LC_COLLATE="he_IL.utf8"
LC_MONETARY="he_IL.utf8"
LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.utf8"
LC_PAPER="he_IL.utf8"
LC_NAME="he_IL.utf8"
LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.utf8"
LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.utf8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.utf8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.utf8"
LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

So, what can I do to convince Sylpheed that I'm on a UTF-8 locale?
Note that although this machine has Gnome, I've only ever opened KDE.
So something in Gnome may not be set correctly. If so, please let me
know what the command for starting it is in the CLI, as because of a
stupid ATI driver I cannot open Gnome at all!

Thanks!

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: low-MHz server

[Kelly Harding]

meant to send this to the list but sent to bob by mistake oops!

Read this thread with a bit of interest.

In terms of non-x86 there are a lot of options.

For Sun/SPARC32, theres Sparcstation 10s and 20s (I recently gave 4
away on freecycle), they're old and slow really. But you can put upto
512mb ram in them, and they'll take two internal drives (50pin for
SS10, SCA for SS20).

As far as CPUs for these go, they can range from 50mhz cacheless cpus
models all the way up to quad hyper-sparc models. Though the best
really is dual SM75 modules (SuperSparcII 75Mb with 1mb cache) for
heat reasons.

I found Linux on SMP Sparc32 to be a bit problematical last time I
tried it. But Solaris 8 or 9 will run on SS10/20s, as well as NetBSD
or OpenBSD (single cpu).

PPC Macs are getting a fair bit cheap these days, and are quite easy
to upgrade, the G4s start around 400Mhz though. G3s you can get at
around 233Mhz, a Beige G3 with a G3/233mhz cpu should handle linux ok,
though they're a bit of a tempermental machine really ime. Blue &
White G3s are the better bet really for G3s. As the CPUs are ZIF
socketed, you can add faster or slower G3 cpus to them. They'll take a
few hard drives too without a problem. Never personally tried Linux on
PPC/Mac as I've always found OS X to meet my needs.

Kelly


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Re: Colours in VIM-AbiWord

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 11:38, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Mon February 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> AbiWord is much lighter & smaller than OOo.
> I saw AbiWord when I installed ... another distro ( Pu..y ...)
> but I never used it. is abiword just a word processor, as opposed to a full 
> suite, like OO ??

Abi_Word_ should give you a hint...

> does it do .DOC conversion? smaller & lighter normally means less features. 
> But I really don't use THAT many features of OO..

Yes, it doesn't convert Word files as well as OOo does.  But as a
stand-alone plugin-capable WP that supports ODF, it's great.

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Re: missing /var/mail

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 06:33:30AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:22:50AM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 09:45:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >  > 
> > > > There are other mailbox formats, most notably Maildir, which store each
> > > > message in a separate file.  If the system drops while a file is being
> > > > written and that file's data is lost, then you only lose one message
> > > > instead of the whole mailbox.
> > > 
> > > That's exactly what I meant
> > 
> > OK.  With stock Debian's exim4 and mutt, how do I switch from mbox to
> > maildir?  I assume that once I do, the user's interaction with the mail
> > from within Mutt will look the same?
> 
>   I believe that if you dpkg-reconfigure exim, you get a prompt asking
> whether to use Maildir.

Thanks,

Its been quite easy.  dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose maildir.
Add MAIL=/home/$USER/Maildir to /etc/bash.bashrc so that mutt picks it
up.

One question:  Is there a way for bash to check Maildir for new mail or
should I just disable its check alltogether?  It is misleading for it to
say "no mail".  I also have been in the habit of using "from -c"; is
there a Maildir equivalent?  I also see from the mutt man page that it
refers one to the maildir(5) man page which I can't find.

Ok, another question.

All our saved messages are in mbox format.  In the future, can mutt save
messages to Maildir directories instead of mbox files?  Is there a
conversion program?

Thanks,

Doug.


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Re: How can to set debian to write as less as possible (to use it on Flash drive)

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:53:38PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> Since my main pc is laptop i need something that will be as faill proof as
> posible.
> so i thought maybe to use flash drive as main drive and forget the swap or
> what ever the problem rises how ?
> 
> I'm not sure but most of todaies flash drive has a lifetime for 50K write
> per bit (not sure since i read about 100K somewhere) so it is really bad
> idea to use flash as swap or /var/log etc.
> 
> the main question is how to set my favorite flavor (sid , sorry etch but i
> don't love backports.. ) to work with as less as possible writes?
> Ideas ? guides ? or what ever ...
> but who can i disable writes without damaging my system i guess linked tmp
> with ramdisk is a start but i need more ideas .

First, turn off atime on mounts.
Add enough memory so that you never need swap.  Then, use a swap file if
needed.  Put /tmp on tmpfs.

Or, run a live CD like GRML and put /home on the flash drive.

Flash-drive systems are often used on embedded devices.  I know that
many people use OpenBSD on their laptops and also on Soekris embedded
devices (e.g. as firewalls).  You could check the OpenBSD website for
some docs and check the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives.

Doug.


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Re: 2 Network Cards

[Brian McKee]

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On 1-Feb-08, at 11:59 PM, Raquel wrote:


I think that I understand what you're saying.  However, what's the
difference?  If the machine is capable of handling 15 VirtualHosts
with 1 nic and 1 IP number, why can it not handle 15 VirtualHosts with
2 nics and 2 IP numbers?  What am I not understanding?


Two nics = 2 pieces of hardware that can fail, both consuming hydro.

On the other hand, tripping over one wire only gets one website.

Ya win some, ya lose some  :-)

Brian
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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> I will look at other GUI apps (not mutt or pine) and see if I can find
> something that fits. Truth is, it will be hard to replace Tbird as
> I've only two gripes with it, yet there's many features (through
> extensions) that other mailers lack. A simple example is the ability
> to right- or left- align text.  For Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a
> must. No other mailer provides that. 

In .muttrc:

  set display_filter=bidiv

Though this is not for the index window.

> And the Virtual Identity
> extension makes the From address of replies the To address of the
> original mail. 

http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual.html#alternates

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Re: changine mutt's saved mail from mbox to Maildir

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 12:22, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:10:06PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> I recently changed from mbox to Maildir format.
>>
>> Everything works fine: mail delivered to maildir, mutt reads it fine and
>> will save to new mailboxes in maildir format.  However, I have hundreds
>> (? thousands) of emails in mbox format which I wish to restore in
>> Maildir format.
>>
>> Is there a script somewhere to do this?
> [...]
> 
> % apt-cache search maildir mbox convert
> mb2md - Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format

Sweet!  Who'da thunk that a dinky little Perl script would be packaged?

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Re: How can to set debian to write as less as possible (to use it on Flash drive)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/04/08 12:53, Jabka Atu wrote:
> Good day,...
> 
> Since my main pc is laptop i need something that will be as faill proof
> as posible.
> so i thought maybe to use flash drive as main drive and forget the swap
> or what ever the problem rises how ?
> 
> I'm not sure but most of todaies flash drive has a lifetime for 50K
> write per bit (not sure since i read about 100K somewhere) so it is
> really bad idea to use flash as swap or /var/log etc.
> 
> the main question is how to set my favorite flavor (sid , sorry etch but
> i don't love backports.. ) to work with as less as possible writes?
> Ideas ? guides ? or what ever ...
> 
> 
> http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB
> 
> 
> but who can i disable writes without damaging my system i guess linked
> tmp with ramdisk is a start but i need more ideas .

No swap.

Mount partitions noatime.

Access email via webmail.

Deinstall slocate.

Edit /etc/syslog.conf to log as little data as possible.

> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 


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Re: Brother laserprinter refuses to print pdfs

[Jonas Meurer]

On 04/02/2008 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 07:56:47PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I've a brother laserprinter (setup as network printer), which works
> > quite well in general, except that it refuses to print most pdfs.
> 
> apt-cache show cups-pdf
> 
> Although the description is a bit vague. I would expect "allows you to
> print pdf documents with cups" although it seems in a round about way to
> suggest it is possible.

Hey Chris,

as Jochen already pointed out, cups-pdf provides a virtual printer to
the cups system that writes the output to a pdf file - instead of
provinding support for printing pdfs to a printer.

I think the description of the package is quite clear:

 CUPS-PDF provides a PDF Writer backend to CUPS. This can be used as a
 virtual printer in a paperless network or to perform testing on CUPS.

'a virtual printer in a paperless network' should be clear enough ;-)

unfortunately, it seems like this problem is not too common. at least
nobody else answered yet to my original message.

greetings,
 jonas


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