question about firefox and iceweasel

[Zbigniew Wiech]

What is the reason to split Firefox and Iceweasel ? Technical differences 
or something with copyright ?

What do I lose using "genuine" firefox from Mozilla ?

regards
zb

Re: ext3 fs /var corrupt :(

[Pim Bliek]

I have 2.5 GB of data in lost+found...
Is there any way to retrieve this data and place it back into the
proper place? Automatically? (I don't see myself sorting out several
thousands of files by hand)


On 3/25/07, Pim Bliek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi

I need some help. I think I screwed my /var while trying to resize it
online.. :(
Nice these new features in ext3... NOT :(

Is there anyone out here that is willing to help on this one? A
filesystem/ext3 guru? Preferable someone in the Netherlands as well,
but any help is appreciated.

I cannot give much details here, since I do not understand my current
situation here either. Thing is, all seemed fine untill I ran fsck on
it... which removed all data from the partition :(. It is empty...
although df -h still gives me that 6 GB is used. I cannot umount it
either anymore. Totally weird situation...

HELP I work with Debian for years now.. but never had this crap!

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Re: question about firefox and iceweasel

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Zbigniew Wiech wrote:
> 
> What is the reason to split Firefox and Iceweasel ? Technical
> differences or something with copyright ?
> 
Copyright issues. Mainly because the name can only be used with
"official" binary builds from Mozilla.


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Re: question about firefox and iceweasel

[Joe Hart]

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Zbigniew Wiech wrote:
> 
> What is the reason to split Firefox and Iceweasel ? Technical
> differences or something with copyright ?
> 
> What do I lose using "genuine" firefox from Mozilla ?
> 
> regards
> zb

A bit of searching would lead you to the answer, but I will sum it up
for you.

Debian requires all software to meed the Debian Free Software Guidelines
(dsfg) to be included in the main repositories, since Firefox is free,
it used to be there.  But recently, Mozilla trademarked the firefox logo
and added a requirement that the logo must be included in firefox
distributions.  Since that violates the dfsg, Debian retorted by
"rebranding" the code and creating IceWeasel, IceDove, IceApe and
perhaps more.  Those are the only ones I have encountered.

Note that I am not taking sides here, and do not want to start the
debate all over again.  I am just reporting what happened.

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Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Paul Johnson]

Steve Lamb wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather.
> 
> Just as white is the absence of color?

Exactly!  (Or black in the case of emitted (as opposed to pigment) color)

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firefox and iceweasel

[Eeltje]

Question of copyright. You lose nothing using Iceweasel.
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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:36:18 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:20:52AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> ..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue.
>> 
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:57:02 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> 
>> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> 
>> >> > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
>> >> > gmane.linux.debian.user:
>> >> > 
>> >> > > I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have
>> >> > > you?
>> >> 
>> >> ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime.  If you want me serving for
>> >> the
>> > 
>> > Fascinating.  So toppling a dictator who killed tens of thousands to
>> > hundreds of thousands of people is a war crime?
>> 
>> ..no, that _would_ have been legal under Articles 87 and 86 in Protocol
>> Additional 1 of the Conventions.  Instead we got W's _flawed_ WMD
>> story.
>> 
> Yeah, well that story originated long before W took office.

..aye, beyond prominent Republicans like Daddy Boy George.  
Still no excuse.

> Of course, *every* leading Democrat during the Clinton administration
> affirmed it, as did the Brits.  I like how you conveniently ignore
> things when they are detrimental to your argument.

..I do?  You should check those "Yugoslav" newsgroups.

>> >> US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full
>> >> compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia
>> >> whereever
>> > 
>> > I see, and blowing up innocent women and children is *not* a war
>> > crime!
>> 
>> ..BS, you know it is.
>> 
> Heh.  I see you criticizing the coalition forces (specifically US) quite
> a bit, but not a peep about the terrorists/insrugents/freedom fighters
> (or whatever you want to call them) out there blowing up *innocent*
> women and children in public markets.  Of course, the "evidence" against
> the coalition forces is shaky at best, while it is mounting against the
> death squads and militias.  Yet, people maximize the former and minimize
> the latter.  Oh yeah.  That's balance for you!

..I havent?  Chk Groklaw for "Sissy Boy George",  I have a habit of 
starting with my own side, to set an honorable standard of decency.
Why should I, or you, criticize Muslims when our side is even worse?

>> >> Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees,
>> >> shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention.
>> >> 
>> >> ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George.  And
>> >> crew.
>> >> 
>> > Actually, you arrest and try every congressional representative who
>> > voted to authorize the military action in Iraq.
>> 
>> ..if they authorized war crimes, yes.  I understood however Congress
>> Authorized War, not war Crime?
>> 
> And I understood that you have yet to provide actual proof of war
> crimes.  You ramble on about the GCs and NATO treaties, but you have yet
> to point out even one *specific* instance which when brought before a
> court has a reasonable chance as being found to be a war crime. 

..I have pointed you to the murder on Saddam the POW, to POW's denied POW 
or Internee status and instead tortured on Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and you 
"refute" the Geneva Conventions in precisely the same way Nazis "refute" 
Jews were gassed.  Etc.

> The closest you can probably get is the rape/murders committed by some
> Marines.  That was a despicable act, but hardly a war crime.

..this bit you argue here, _is_ a war crime, just like rape Marines or 
Serb Wolwes(?) rape on civilians etc are. 

>> > Of course, your lack of
>> > knowledge concerning politics and government is not surprising.
>> 
>> ..my understanding of US Gov details is not relevant to this war, your
>> understanding and application of the full 4 Geneva Conventions in this
>> war, _is_, if you're an US or NATO or Taliban serviceman.
>> 
> More ramblings.  No evidence.

..I|we have _you_ incriminating yourself right here on D-U.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:28:24 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 05:10:19AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:00:39 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> 
>> > Well, let's see.  Here is a list of every executive order published
>> > in 2001 [0]:
>> > 
> 
>> > 
>> > Now, I read all the orders relating to anything military.  Nothing in
>> > there about war crimes.
>> 
>> ..interesting, both Adolf and Slobodan played similar games with words.
>> 
>> ..anything on "international courts" or "the 4 Geneva Conventions"?
>> 
> Nope.  What I find interesting is that you claimed that Bush issued some
> executive allowing him to "evade" war crimes prosecution (or some such
> nonsense).  Then, when I present you with a list of *all* the executive
> orders published, there is no such thing and you effectively claim that
> they are trying to hide it.  Why don't you point us to this mythical
> executive order?

..why the hell not?  Are _you_ sure you want to find yourself on the 
receiving end on an indictment?  And this really belongs in the courts 
and not on not D-U.

>> > Would that be the media that refuses to report any positive
>> > occurences
>> 
>> ..try my method of balancing Fox against al-Jazeera, Xinhua,
>> Kommersant, CNN etc against the full 4 Geneva Conventions.  ;o)
>> 
> Yes, well your method is "flawed" to say the least.

..as far as getting you indicted, I can agree.  I can fix that flaw.

>> > (like making neighborhoods safer, building power infrastructure,
>> > building schools, providing medical care, capturing bad guys and so
>> > on)? Because if it is the same media, I won't believe anything they
>> > say. What you fail to understand is that nearly everyone in the
>> > military takes the law *very* seriously.  Now, just as in any large
>> > organization, there are a few bad apples.  For example, just because
>> > someone at the telephone company sells a list of phone numbers to
>> > telemarketers does not mean that every single employee of the phone
>> > company is a criminal. Same with the military, as 99.9% of the people
>> > in uniform are decent, law abiding and doing their jobs in accordance
>> > with the law.
>> 
>> ..see below.
>> 
>> >> > Well, there is the whole thing about lawful combatants being
>> >> > required to wear a distinguishable uniform with distinctive
>> >> > insignia.
>> >> 
>> >> ..one of these suffices, both together are preferred, and you deny
>> >> the "Let's roll!"-people aboard flight UA93 their lawful KIA status,
>> >> when they "took up arms against the invading enemy."
>> >> 
>> > Umm, they were acting in self-defense.
>> 
>> ..yes.
>> 
>> > Big difference.
>> 
>> ..no, self defence is _no_ different to _any_ other kinda bellingerence
>> in its requirement for _full_ compliance.
>> 
> I don't get it.  Who do you think was not complying in the UA93
> situation?

..going by the Official Story[TM], the hijackers, all the way until 
"Let's Roll!".  Thenafter, both sides were either fair game as lawful 
combattants or colateral civilian casualties.  

>> > Of course, your
>> > continued ranting only serves to reinforce that you are either just
>> > intent on stirring the pot, or that you really don't get it.
>> 
>> ..I am fully aware of the fact Sissy Boy George is trying to escape the
>> US War Crimes Act and the Coventions.  Both authorize hanging.
>> 
> You keep claiming this, but have not provided evidence.

..I have provided ample pointers for anything but neocon shills and war 
criminals, if you want further Court Martial Defense advice, get a lawyer.

>> > Any civilian, military, police or other authorities, who in time
>> > of
>> > ^^^
>> > war assume responsibilities in respect of protected persons, must
>> > possess the text of the Convention and be specially instructed as
>> > to its provisions.
>> > 
>> > Yup.  Military police and lawyers receive extra training on the GCs.
>> > Having never been a police or a lawyer, however, I can't say whether
>> > they carry the text with them, but I imagine that they do.
>> 
>> ..yes they are supposed to, and you're entitled to hang anyone to
>> argues them the way you do in the face of the language of the
>> Conventions, just go by the rules in them.
>>  
> Right.  I imagine that they would get hang you as well for constantly
> imaging things that are not there?

..only if _I_ commit a war crime.  Or is this a threat on my life for 
aguing against Sissy Boy George's theory? 

>> > What do you mean would have?
>> 
>> .."going by the book" in full compliance of the full 4 Geneva
>> Conventions would have provided a firm and full legal foundation of
>> Saddam's hanging, even if he cooked laws to allow himself "Jew babies
>> for dinner" kinda war crimes.
>> 
> Umm, considering that he was an Iraqi citizen, was tried by the Iraqis
> by a tribunal under the authority of 

Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Dan H.]

After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if
"sponge burning" is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never
heard it before.

So I googled "sponge burning".

But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and
nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de
facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means?

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Re: getmail configuration (How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup)

[Benedict Verheyen]

Andrei Popescu schreef:
> Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 1.) What is 'reinjection in a mail queue'? Where can I learn how this 
>> differs from whatever is being done by fetchmail as an example case?
>> Or does fetchmail also do reinjection in a mail queue?
> 
> As I understand it, the pop3/imap protocols were created to allow a
> mail client to retrieve the mail and present it to the user. Fetchmail
> instead is feeding it back to a mail server through port 25.

In my case, i use fetchmail in daemon mode without problems but
apperently, there is some ugliness with bounced messages when using
reinjection. Not sure how or what that entails but i would also like to
know what the exact problem is.

I've had a look at getmail and it's indeed easy to setup & have cron
check the mail, but, with fetchmail the spam & virus checking is done
from exim.

With getmail this is no longer possible so you have to find another way
of checking spam/virusses. I checked and you can do that from maildrop
(you can also do that from procmail i think) but i haven't found out a
working solution yet as i like to setup spam/virus checking systemwide.
With exim, this is not a problem at all.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:42:14 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote in
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> On 03/25/07 22:39, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:41:22 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote in
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>>> On 03/25/07 17:47, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [snip]
 ..you deny the "Let's roll!"-people aboard flight UA93 their lawful
 KIA status, when they "took up arms against the invading enemy."
>>> Who says the UA93 passengers were KIA?
>> 
>> ..I do, under Art. 108 in the Norw. Military Penal Law (and its
>> equivalent in the US War Crimes Act and eq. military penal code), which
>> incorporates all full 4 Geneva Conventions and all their 3 Protocals
>> Additional, incorporating Article 4A(6) of the 3'rd Convention: "(6)
>> Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the
>> enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without
>> having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided
>> they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war."
>> http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/375-590007?OpenDocument
>> http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/COM/375-590007?OpenDocument
> 
> Terrorists aren't invaders, 

..the passengers made up their own mind about that, if we are to believe 
tho Official story.  The circumstances being what they were at 1000 that 
morning, I do not have many problems with the alternative stories either, 
I can see a few lawful scenarios for a lawful USAF missile hit on UA93.

> the passengers didn't have any arms to carry.

..they made use of what they had available, I understand, fists.  
Are good enough under the Conventions.  An Hollywood style dream 
would have had them succeed, instead of earn an Arlington slot.
 
>>> For one thing, those passengers weren't in the military, and another,
>> 
>> ..on take-off, correct.  On "Let's Roll!", they _became_ a lawful
>> military force.
>> 
>>> their deaths were "other than the victim of a terrorist activity".
>> 
>> ..yup, KIA, Arlington next.
> 
> Really?  You really believe that they were buried in Arlington National
> Cemetery?

..no, I know they weren't, and yes, I know they should have been.

> You've *got* to be jerking our chain.  No one who is functional is as
> crazy as you appear to be.

..uhuh.  Coming from a neocon shill, I can accept that as a compliment.

>>> http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/data/k/02986.html
>>> killed in action
>>> (DOD) A casualty category applicable to a hostile casualty, other
>>> than the victim of a terrorist activity, who is killed outright or
>>> who dies as a result of wounds or other injuries before reaching a
>>> medical treatment facility. Also called KIA. See also casualty
>>> category.
>> 
>> ..neocon BS snip by Sissy Boys trying to escape the US War Crimes Act.


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Re: dvdbackup: undefined symbol: UDFFindFile

[Stephen Gran]

This one time, at band camp, gustavo halperin said:
> Hi,
> I am getting this error when I try to backup my video dvd or just get
> info of my video dvd, see below:
> linux: dvdbackup -Mi /dev/dvd -I
>   dvdbackup: relocation error: dvdbackup: undefined symbol: UDFFindFile
> 
> My packages version are:
> linux : dpkg -s libdvdread3|fgrep Version
>   Version: 0.9.7-0.0sarge1

In sarge, I see 0.9.4-5 - where did you get this version?

> Does anyone know how to fix this?

I suggest using sarge's libdvdread3 and see if it works.
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Re: Re: What's the status on the Debian manual for the upcoming Debian Etch?

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Hello and thanks for the reply!

I was thinking about the Debian Bible. The latest Debian Bible
which I have found is for Debian Sarge and personally when
I use a Linux distribution I really want to use every tool and
every program to the maximum so that I really can enjoy a
good system.

Debian is one of my favourites and I have been using Debian
since Debian Slink was released and I used that on an
Amiga4000 computer. :-) Fun indeed! Today things have
changed and I'm running Debian Sarge3.1r4. I have not
tested Debian Etch, yet, but I have heard many great things
about it! Some people say that Etch is easier to install than
the previous previous version: Sarge (although I myself
had no problems with it getting installed.. Except, that the
bootloader couldn't identify my Windows harddrive and
because of that I run Mandriva on the PC. I needed to
be able to use the computer with dual boot.)

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Re: Re: What's the status on the Debian manual for the upcoming Debian Etch?

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 12:07:02PM +0200, Björn Johansson wrote:
> 
> Hello and thanks for the reply!
> 
> I was thinking about the Debian Bible. The latest Debian Bible
> which I have found is for Debian Sarge and personally when
> I use a Linux distribution I really want to use every tool and
> every program to the maximum so that I really can enjoy a
> good system.
> 
> Debian is one of my favourites and I have been using Debian
> since Debian Slink was released and I used that on an
> Amiga4000 computer. :-) Fun indeed! Today things have
> changed and I'm running Debian Sarge3.1r4. I have not
> tested Debian Etch, yet, but I have heard many great things
> about it! Some people say that Etch is easier to install than
> the previous previous version: Sarge (although I myself
> had no problems with it getting installed.. Except, that the
> bootloader couldn't identify my Windows harddrive and
> because of that I run Mandriva on the PC. I needed to
> be able to use the computer with dual boot.)
> 
> Greetings
> Björn Johansson
> Sweden
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Re: What is this kernel error?

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:59:22 -0400
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This showed up for the first time today:
> 
> mnr kernel: [drm:via_verify_command_stream] *ERROR* Invalid / Unimplemented
> DMA HEADER command. 0x44357b40
> 

drm belongs to the graphic card acceleration I believe. DMA stands for direct
memory access. This is something about an unknown command sent the graphic
hardware.

> 'uname -a' gives:
> 
> Linux mnr.niof.net 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:48:19 UTC 2007 i686
> GNU/Linux
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Re: firefox and iceweasel

[Michael Pobega]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:12:34AM +0200, Eeltje wrote:
> 
> Question of copyright. You lose nothing using Iceweasel.
>

That's subject to disagreement. Lately on the Debian forums there have
been a lot of problems arising from using Iceweasel over Firefox,
although it's nothing very serious.

>From what I remember it has to do with Iceweasel showing up as a
user-agent and Firefox plugins not working the same.

But for the most part, Firefox and Iceweasel are identical.


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Paul Johnson]

Steve Lamb wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

> Sometimes calling a kook a kook and an idiot and idiot is the only
> statement you've got.  If it's accurate it's not ad hominem.

I dispute the accuracy of your assessment based on your inability to cite a
source not provided by Tony Snow.

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Re: What's the status on the Debian manual for the upcoming Debian Etch?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kevin Mark wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 12:07:02PM +0200, Björn Johansson wrote:

Hello and thanks for the reply!

I was thinking about the Debian Bible. The latest Debian Bible
which I have found is for Debian Sarge and personally when
I use a Linux distribution I really want to use every tool and
every program to the maximum so that I really can enjoy a
good system.

Debian is one of my favourites and I have been using Debian
since Debian Slink was released and I used that on an
Amiga4000 computer. :-) Fun indeed! Today things have
changed and I'm running Debian Sarge3.1r4. I have not
tested Debian Etch, yet, but I have heard many great things
about it! Some people say that Etch is easier to install than
the previous previous version: Sarge (although I myself
had no problems with it getting installed.. Except, that the
bootloader couldn't identify my Windows harddrive and
because of that I run Mandriva on the PC. I needed to
be able to use the computer with dual boot.)

Greetings
Björn Johansson
Sweden

If you want to know indepth information about 'just debian' Martin
Krafft's 'the debian system' (not for etch yet) is THE book. He has info
on his site if you want to know more about it.


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Apt-listbugs Problems

[David Baron]

I can get reports for one (count 'em) upgrade at a time. Attempts at more will 
time out with a failed HTTP Get.

Worked last week. What gives?


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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 03:55, Dan H. wrote:
> After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if
> "sponge burning" is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never
> heard it before.
> 
> So I googled "sponge burning".
> 
> But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and
> nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de
> facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means?

Yes.  IIRC, it started out referring to Sponge Bob Square Pants.

> 
> --D.
> 


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Re: Apt-listbugs Problems

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 06:54, David Baron wrote:
> I can get reports for one (count 'em) upgrade at a time. Attempts at more 
> will 
> time out with a failed HTTP Get.
> 
> Worked last week. What gives?

Many of us have the same issue.

> 
> 


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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Frank McCormick]

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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:33:32 +1200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:43:49AM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >Aptitude was the only package manager used on this machine
> > following the advice of several users. Easily? Well I was lucky to
> > have a Ubuntu Dapper installation on another partition so I could
> > retrieve the needed packages and install them. But booting and
> > rebooting countless times over a 2 hour time period hardly defines
> > "easily" :)
> 
> Have you been mixing Ubuntu and Debian packages?


   Nope. Haven't even done the "configure/make/make install" dance on
this partition. BTW, what is the exact purpose of avahi-daemon? I took
a look at its description, but still don't understand. 

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Re: firefox and iceweasel

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 06:06, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:12:34AM +0200, Eeltje wrote:
>> Question of copyright. You lose nothing using Iceweasel.
>>
> 
> That's subject to disagreement. Lately on the Debian forums there have
> been a lot of problems arising from using Iceweasel over Firefox,
> although it's nothing very serious.
> 
>>From what I remember it has to do with Iceweasel showing up as a
> user-agent and Firefox plugins not working the same.

That is correct.  However, the User Agent Switcher fixes that quite
neatly.

> But for the most part, Firefox and Iceweasel are identical.
> 
> 


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fvwm vs. fvwm-crystal

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

Having always had fvwm as window-manager, I decided to look at 
fvwm-crystal and installed it.


Fvwm-crystal may be *based* upon fvwm but it sure is not in the 
*tradition* of fvwm.


In fvwm the centerpiece is the the config file, .fvwm2rc that you change 
with any editor to change anything you want in every detail.


Fvwm-crystal hides that and is entirely GUI based. Not interesting at all.

Fvwm-crystal flunked the test :-) too bad...

Hugo


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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > And it is *excellent* design to unlink an open file depending on what you
> > want it for.  It is the only failure-proof way to make sure temporary files
> > cannot be attacked from outside, and also that they will disappear if the
> > program crashes, exits, or has other problems.  You can easily change that
> > to a "unlink on sucessfull exit" thing when running in debug mode, too.
> 
> It's excellent only if your filesystem does not have rich-enough
> semantics to protect your files from outside snoops.

Sorry, but no.  It is excellent because you never have to clean up after
screw ups (the file will be gone as soon as it is closed or the process is
terminated), and because it makes it impossible for incompetent programmers
to access a file by anything other than its fd after it was created +
unlinked.

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Kent West]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 03/26/07 03:55, Dan H. wrote:
  

After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if
"sponge burning" is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never
heard it before.

So I googled "sponge burning".

But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and
nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de
facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means?



Yes.  IIRC, it started out referring to Sponge Bob Square Pants.
  


Actually, it started out as a discussion related to an article on 
Slashdot/digg/something similar about nuking sponges in a microwave oven 
in order to kill the bacteria/germs on the sponge. When the article 
first came out, it did not specify to make sure the sponge was wet, and 
subsequently there were many reports a day or three later about dry 
sponges catching fire. I don't recall why that topic made it to this 
list, nor why it morphed into such a very off-topic thread, but it's all 
archived if you're really curious.


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Re: What's the status on the Debian manual for the upcoming Debian Etch?

[Joe Hart]

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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 12:07:02PM +0200, Bj�rn Johansson wrote:
>>> Hello and thanks for the reply!
>>>
>>> I was thinking about the Debian Bible. The latest Debian Bible
>>> which I have found is for Debian Sarge and personally when
>>> I use a Linux distribution I really want to use every tool and
>>> every program to the maximum so that I really can enjoy a
>>> good system.
>>>
>>> Debian is one of my favourites and I have been using Debian
>>> since Debian Slink was released and I used that on an
>>> Amiga4000 computer. :-) Fun indeed! Today things have
>>> changed and I'm running Debian Sarge3.1r4. I have not
>>> tested Debian Etch, yet, but I have heard many great things
>>> about it! Some people say that Etch is easier to install than
>>> the previous previous version: Sarge (although I myself
>>> had no problems with it getting installed.. Except, that the
>>> bootloader couldn't identify my Windows harddrive and
>>> because of that I run Mandriva on the PC. I needed to
>>> be able to use the computer with dual boot.)
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Bj�rn Johansson
>>> Sweden
>> If you want to know indepth information about 'just debian' Martin
>> Krafft's 'the debian system' (not for etch yet) is THE book. He has info
>> on his site if you want to know more about it.
> 
> http://martin-krafft.net/
> 
> 
> 

I have to concur that almost all of the books that are available about
Debian are referring to Sarge.  Etch has not been released yet,
therefore it is apropos that there is little in print about it.  That
will change when Etch is released I am sure.  However, take into
consideration how long it takes from a book being written to it being
published and in the stores.

That being said, much of the information that is available for sarge
does apply to Etch, and even to Sid.  Some things have changed, but not
as much as you might think.  It is still Debian.

Etch is much easier to install than Sarge was.  The installer team has
gone a long way to make it quite user friendly.  It is just as easy to
install Etch as it is to install Ubuntu (through the alternate install
since it is essentially the same).  There is even a installgui boot
cheat that gives a nice pretty display.


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Re: pthread has error on Etch

[Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh]

Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
> Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh writes:
> 
>> void *task1(int *counter)
>> {
>> while(*counter < 5 ){
>> printf("task1 count: %d\n",*counter);
>> (*counter)++;
>> }//end of while
> 
> You are missing a parenthesis here.
> 
>> void cleanup(int counter1,int counter2)
>> {
>> printf("Total iterations: %d\n",counter1+counter2);
>> }//end of cleanup function
> 
>> But i receive following error:
> 
> With the parenthesis mentioned above added compiles fine in Debian
> unstable.
> 
> HTH,
> 
I can't understand where i put parenthesis.
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:45:58AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:28:24 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > You keep claiming this, but have not provided evidence.
> 
> ..I have provided ample pointers for anything but neocon shills and war 
> criminals, if you want further Court Martial Defense advice, get a lawyer.
> 
You see, when I point out that you have not (and clearly cannot) provide
evidence, you respond with an ad hominem attack.  Your position is quite
weak.

> > Right.  I imagine that they would get hang you as well for constantly
> > imaging things that are not there?
> 
> ..only if _I_ commit a war crime.  Or is this a threat on my life for 
> aguing against Sissy Boy George's theory? 
> 
No. No personal threat there.  I was simply pointing that if I can be
held liable, as you claim, then so can you.  :-)

> > Umm, considering that he was an Iraqi citizen, was tried by the Iraqis
> > by a tribunal under the authority of Iraq's constitution, I'd say it was
> > by the book.
> 
> ..then you're a neocon shill promoting war crime.  If you are an USAF 
> serviceman or officer, you just incriminated yourself.
> 
Another ad hominem attack.  Where's your real argument?  Don't have one?

> >> 
> > Really?  And what competent legal authority says that he was a POW?
> 
> ..Sissy Boy George himself, on the same day Saddam was dug out of that 
> hole.
> 
Right.  I am not disputing that.  However, once the Iraqis *elected*
their new government and instituted their new constitution, he became
the legal responsbility of Iraq.  Or do you deny that the Iraqis elected
a government and instituted a constitution?

> > Again.  Who makes the determination that he was a POW?
> 
> ..your Supreme Commander accepting him as POW the same day Saddam was dug 
> out of that hole.
> 
Ibid.

> > This was the page from the News link:
> > http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList2/News?OpenDocument
> > 
> > Looking at news items back to the beginning of 2006, here is what I
> > found related to Iraq and Afghanistan:
> > 
> >  * condemnation of sectarian violence
> >  * appeals for respect of humanitarian law * appeals for relief of
> >  kidnapped aid workers (these workers were
> >kidnapped by insurgents)
> >  * announcements of aid rendered with respect to food, water, etc
> > 
> > Nothing about the GCs specifically, nothing calling out the US, the UK
> > or any other coalition partner, nothing at all really.  The only thing
> > related to Guantanamo is how the RC is facilitating contact for family
> > members of detainees.  So, where is the evidence of the rampant war
> > crimes being committed?
> 
> ..are you trying to tell us you cannot find the 4 Geneva Conventions?
> Try again.
> 
Why don't you provide an actual reference instead of making me hunt for
something that apparently only exists in your imagination?

> > Nothing:
> > 
> > bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.18, $Date: 2005/01/23 11:29:22 $ Hit '?' for
> > help.
> > 
> > Genesis 1
> > 
> >   1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
> > bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ??prisoner
> >   Searching for 'prisoner'... [13 refs]
> > bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?and war
> >   Searching for 'war'... [220 refs]
> >   [0 refs in combined list]
> > bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ??prisoners
> >   Searching for 'prisoners'... [21 refs]
> > bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?and war
> >   Searching for 'war'... [220 refs]
> >   [0 refs in combined list]
> > bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]>
> > 
> > Anything else?
> 
> ..try the _whole_ bible, I see only Genesis searched here.
> 
I *did*.  The way the bible-kjv package works is that it defaults to
searching the *whole* bible unless you restrict to a smaller section.

> ..I forgot to mention that ability also obliges us to stop when they have 
> been defeated, "stopping too late" is a war crime, and topping too soon 
> like Sissy Boy George's "Mission Accomplished!" probably treason.
> 
Umm, the mission was to topple Saddam Hussein.  That mission *was*
accomplished early on.  They people who want to stop before the job is
done are the *Democrats*.  You know, your liberal buddies.

> > Huh?  Let's see, you want to remove the Jews from their homeland,
> 
> ..not their, and yes, Jews too need to be welcome somewhere, both Norway 
> and the US are better places for Jews than make them steal Palestine.
> 
What part of "they were rightfully there first" don't you get?

> > Umm, because the problem I have is with islamic *extremists*? Seriously,
> > there are millions of peace-loving muslims out there.  They are content
> > to live their lives, worship as they choose, leave everyone alone and be
> > left alone themselves.
> 
> ..yeah, except that's not good enough if they have oil or live in the 
> Middle East.
> 
> > Your claiming that my sentiments make me anti-Semitic
> 
> ..yes.  "Pro Jew" is not good enough to evade it, Arabs too are Semites.
> 
Right.  Except that I don't have a problem with all Arabs, only the
extre

Re: pthread has error on Etch

[Wackojacko]

Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:

Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:

Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh writes:


void *task1(int *counter)
{
while(*counter < 5 ){
printf("task1 count: %d\n",*counter);
(*counter)++;
}//end of while

You are missing a parenthesis here.


void cleanup(int counter1,int counter2)
{
printf("Total iterations: %d\n",counter1+counter2);
}//end of cleanup function
But i receive following error:

With the parenthesis mentioned above added compiles fine in Debian
unstable.

HTH,


I can't understand where i put parenthesis.
--Mohsen


Excuse me jumping in, but I think its the 'end of task1 function' that 
requires a '}'.


HTH

Wackojacko


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Re: find encoding of filenames

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Kevin Mark wrote:

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> 

> maybe this would help: utf8-migration-tool

I managed to install this package. But how exactly do I use this package?
There is no binary, no manpages whatsoever.
The /usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/README is cryptic enough that I
understood nothing from it. Any simple instructions on how to go about it?

thanks
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:29:33 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:01:29AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > [0] http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1169078731.shtml
>> >> 
>> >> ..neocon propaganda show, ignores the fact that the Taliban was the
>> >> Afghan government on 9/11 2001 when W declared war and invoked NATO
>> >> treaty Article 5 and by implication the full 4 Geneva Conventions
>> >> under their Articles 2 and 3 in all 4 Conventions since some of the
>> >> other NATO Member States (Norway, the UK etc) had fully signed,
>> >> ratified or acceeded into them.
>> >> 
>> > Sorry, but you argument is null: [0]
>> 
>> ..non-neocon source? (As in credible pre-9/11 2001 dead tree etc issue,
>> even Wikipedia pages get 0\/\/|\|3|} by neocons.)
>> 
>> 
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.+Con.+Res.+336:
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.CON.RES.26.IH:
> 
> There, you can get the dead tree versions yourself if you like.
> 
> The first was under the watch of Clinton and the second pre-9/11 Bush
> adminstration, introduced by a Democrat.
> 
>> >On September 27, 1996, the ruling members of the Afghan Government
>> >were displaced by members of the Islamic Taliban movement. The
>> >Taliban declared themselves the legitimate government of
>> >Afghanistan; however, the UN continued to recognize the government
>> >of Burhanuddin Rabbani.
>> > 
>> >The Organization of the Islamic Conference left the Afghan seat
>> >vacant until the question of legitimacy could be resolved through
>> >negotiations among the warring factions.
>> >  
>> >By the time of the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan after the
>> >September 11 terrorist attacks only Pakistan recognized the
>> >Taliban government, though Saudi Arabia and the United Arab
>> >Emirates had in the past.
>> 
>> ..which non-regonised military power was recognized as Government by
>> W's ultimatium on "Hand Over Osama Or Else!!!"?
>> 
> The same one that Clinton dealt with.  The Taliban.  What difference
> does it make?  They had him or knew where he was.  Recognized or not,
> they were in control of mufch of the territory of Afghanistan.

..precisely, and precisely why the Taliban are lawful combattants under 
the conventions, just like Norwegian Milorg in WWII.  Unless you can 
prove al-Qaida mercenaries under Article 47 in Protocol Additional, they 
too are lawful combattants under the Conventions.

..then "ofcourse" we have war criminals on both sides.  And we _should_ 
know better than prove the enemy right by allowing war crimes.

>> >The Taliban occupied 95% of the territory, called the Islamic
>> >Emirate of Afghanistan. The remaining 5% belonged to the rebel
>> >forces constituting the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, which the
>> >United Nations had recognized as the official government in exile.
>> > 
>> > So, the Taliban was only the legitimate government in the sense that
>> > they declared themselves to be so.  Nobody, outside of Pakistan and
>> > at at some point SA and UAE, recognized them as the legitimate
>> > government. So tell me again, how are insurgents lawful combatants?
>> 
>> 
>> ..tell me how this theory differ on Adolf Hitler's theory on Norwegian
>> "insurgents" in Milorg.  ;o)
>>  
> Um, were the Norweigan "insurgents" agents of a recognized government?
> If so, then there is your answer.  This theory has nothing to do with
> Hitler's.

..Adolf Hitler argued the Quisling regime was the lawful regime in 
Norway, he didn't back it up with an election, but he _did_ back it up 
with a _lot_ of troops to protect the Norwegian civilians, even the Jews.
A _very_ embarrassing fact for both Norway, NATO, the US and Afghan 
president Karzai, but never the less the truth.


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:59:00 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 03:56:51PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>> 
>> It's not a veto issue; the constitution (Article 2 Section 2 Clause 2)
>> states:
>> 
>> He [the President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent
>> of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators
>> present concur;
>> 
>> So the power is his, although he needs the 'advice and consent' of the
>> Senate; if he's not interested, there's no treaty. I don't think
>> there's any possibility of veto.
>> 
> OK.  I had forgotten about that.

..there's also the military command chain procedures, arresting and 
replacing etc a "clearly incompetent, disabled or war criminal (supreme 
or not) commander", AFAIK all NATO members had those in place in the 
1980ies.

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Intel Sound in Notebook LG

[gaston Rey]

I have a Notebook LG, and have problems with sound, my sound driver is 
ICH6-Intel High definition Audio, something know why it only get sound from 
Headphones but not from OutPut ?? 
I had tested and compiled very much versions of Kernels and nothing...

Thanks and waiting some help.

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Re: find encoding of filenames

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 11:30 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> 
> > maybe this would help: utf8-migration-tool
> 
> I managed to install this package. But how exactly do I use this package?
> There is no binary, no manpages whatsoever.
> The /usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/README is cryptic enough that I
> understood nothing from it. Any simple instructions on how to go about it?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -L utf8-migration-tool
/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool
/usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/README
/usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/TODO
/usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/copyright
/usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/changelog.gz
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man1
/usr/share/man/man1/utf8migrationtool.1.gz
/usr/share/applications
/usr/share/applications/utf8migrationtool.desktop
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/glade
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/glade/wizard.glade
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/glade/wizard_convertfiles.glade
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/glade/wizard_login.glade
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/glade/wizard_welcome.glade
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/configure.py
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/gdmConfigParser.py
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/wizard
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/wizard/__init__.py
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/wizard/save.py
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/wizard/steps.py
/usr/share/utf8-migration-tool/pylib/wizard/wizard.py
/usr/share/python-support
/usr/share/python-support/utf8-migration-tool.dirs
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/utf8migrationtool
/var
/var/lib
/var/lib/update-notifier
/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d
/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/hook

utf8migrationtool is a wizard that simplifies upgrading a Debian system
towards UTF-8 locales.

It appears that: /usr/bin/utf8migrationtool

Is the binary. It smoked through my homedir.

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Re: find encoding of filenames

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Greg Folkert wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 11:30 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
>> Kevin Mark wrote:
>> 
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> > 
>> 
>> > maybe this would help: utf8-migration-tool
>> 
>> I managed to install this package. But how exactly do I use this package?
>> There is no binary, no manpages whatsoever.
>> The /usr/share/doc/utf8-migration-tool/README is cryptic enough that I
>> understood nothing from it. Any simple instructions on how to go about
>> it?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -L utf8-migration-tool


Oh man! This is pretty embarrassing. I was using

dpkg -S utf8-migration-tool all the time and was not finding the binary or
manpages.[raju banging his head on the table :-)]

thanks
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:59:47 -0400, judd wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>> ...
> 
> 
>>>  I'd assume that the US wouldn't be considered a signatory to
>>> an international agreement until it's also ratified.  Perhaps I'm
>>> wrong about the terminology.
>> 
>> We (the US) are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol treaty, but have not
>> ratified it.  Thus it is not binding law.
>> 
>> 
>  It is not binding in US domestic law.  That much is clear.  I'm
> not sure of the status under international law outside the US.  Any
> lawyers on the list?
> 
>  In particular, I remember hearing that the Kyoto protocol would
> apply to activities of US companies outside of the US once the required
> number of states ratified it.  As I've said, I'm not a lawyer and can't
> attest to the accuracy of that statement.

..another way is consider the military effect, such as Norwegian gas 
turbines emitting CO2, causing some heat up and sea level rise, flooding 
low Pacific islands, Bangla Desh or Holland.  Destroying land this way is 
a war crime under the Conventions, and under the Norwegian military penal 
code, anyone causing this or harmed by this, qualifies as "being on the 
battlefield", to paraphrase the gist of the Norwegian language in there.

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Re: find encoding of filenames

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Kevin Mark wrote:

> maybe this would help: utf8-migration-tool

This tool seems to work either on the whole /home/user directory or on the
whole system. I do not want that. I just want to convert the encoding of
filenames that belong to a single directory. I do not want to migrate the
whole system to utf8.

Moreover, the original question still remains. Given a bunch of files, how
do I determine their current encoding?


thanks
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Re: find encoding of filenames

[H.S.]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

Kevin Mark wrote:


maybe this would help: utf8-migration-tool


This tool seems to work either on the whole /home/user directory or on the
whole system. I do not want that. I just want to convert the encoding of
filenames that belong to a single directory. I do not want to migrate the
whole system to utf8.


Is iconv what you are looking for?
NAME
   iconv - Convert encoding of given files from one encoding to another

SYNOPSIS
   iconv -f encoding -t encoding inputfile

DESCRIPTION
   The iconv program converts the encoding of characters in 
inputfile from one coded character set to another. The result
   is written to standard output unless otherwise specified by the 
--output option.






Moreover, the original question still remains. Given a bunch of files, how
do I determine their current encoding?



Use file command perhaps? Real example:
$> file foo.txt
foo.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text


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Re: find encoding of filenames

[Jochen Schulz]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi:
> 
> Moreover, the original question still remains. Given a bunch of files, how
> do I determine their current encoding?

Just a thought:

$ touch äöüß.éèâ

$ ls -lh äöüß.éèâ
-rw-r--r-- 1 jrschulz jrschulz 0 2007-03-26 18:40 äöüß.éèâ

$ ls -1 > filelist

$ file filelist
filelist: UTF-8 Unicode text, with escape sequences

So saving a directory listing into a file and running the 'file' utility
might help.

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Cannot write file > 1GB to DVD-RAM : any way to fix?

[Frank Miles]

I changed how I was backing up my system, and now need to write larger files
to my Panasonic LF-D521 DVD-RAM (backup drive).  Unfortunately it chokes a
bit over 1GB, reporting that the file size is too large.  'umount'ing takes
a really long time as well.

The disk[s] have been formatted with the udf file system.
This problem occurs with each of the several disks that I tried.

Any suggestions on how I can store larger files?

TIA for any hints or pointers to Fine Manuals!

-frank


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Re: firefox and iceweasel

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:06:00 -0400
Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:12:34AM +0200, Eeltje wrote:
> > 
> > Question of copyright. You lose nothing using Iceweasel.
> >
> 
> That's subject to disagreement. Lately on the Debian forums there have
> been a lot of problems arising from using Iceweasel over Firefox,
> although it's nothing very serious.
> 
> >From what I remember it has to do with Iceweasel showing up as a
> user-agent and Firefox plugins not working the same.
> 
> But for the most part, Firefox and Iceweasel are identical.
> 
> 
Yes, plugins are the problem. I recently upgraded from Sarge to Etch,
and Iceweasel didn't handle flash correctly. (Java was OK in the few
applications I tried.) My bookmarks and preferences were kept, and the
transition was really seamless, except for the flash. If there was a
plugins directory in usr/share/iceweasel as there was in firefox,
fixing it would have been simple, but there wasn't. So I removed
Iceweasel and reinstalled Firefox. Again, transition went seamlessly...


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RE: Etch Installer RC1 and RC2 hang "Retrieving file 82 of 82"

[Erik Cummings]

> -Original Message-
> From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Erik Cummings
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Etch Installer RC1 and RC2 hang "Retrieving file 82 of
82"
> 
> Erik Cummings wrote:
> > Finally managed to get the install to hang while logging was
enabled.
> > Don't know if this will be valuable or not...but zipped and
attached.
> 
> Sorry, after all the work to get the debconf debug log, I don't need
it;
> everything looks ok there and it's clear from your log that your
kernel
> is very unhappy around when dpkg-preconfigure hangs:
> 
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel: Call Trace:
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] do_sigaction+0xf7/0x11f
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] worker_thread+0xc1/0x118
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] default_wake_function+0x0/0xc
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] worker_thread+0x0/0x118
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] kthread+0xaf/0xdb
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] kthread+0x0/0xdb
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:  [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel: xfsdatad/0S 0009 0 10690  5
> 5587 10688 (L-TLB)
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:f42d3f8c 0046 0001 0009
> f4112030 2a7037c3 0051 0269
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel:f4112140 2a702850 0051 05d0
>  f4151cd0 f4151cc0 f4151cc8
> Mar 23 15:05:37 kernel: c0120c0d 0001 
> f4a0eab0 0001  
> 
> This and the pages of this following suggest a problem with the kernel
and
> your hardware. The mention of xfs is interesting -- are you using xfs?
It
> also seems to dump a call trace for every process that is running at
this
> point. I can't tell why it's doing this, although the kernel output
seems
> to
> have something to do with the disk (and dpkg-preconfigure is one of
the
> highest disk stress points during the install), but the log would make
for
> a
> good bug report against the linux-2.6 package.
> 
> --
> see shy jo

- Definitely NOT using XFS.
- Can these traces be part of the output of the PS commands I'm
running to get the ps to kill?  These entries don't show in the log
until AFTER I do the kill...
- Is there a set of other switches and/or files to gather to
file the kernel bug (and shortest path to HOW to file that kernel bug?)?

Erik

Re: find encoding of filenames

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi:
>> 
>> Moreover, the original question still remains. Given a bunch of files,
>> how do I determine their current encoding?
> 
> Just a thought:
> 
> $ touch äöüß.éèâ
> 
> $ ls -lh äöüß.éèâ
> -rw-r--r-- 1 jrschulz jrschulz 0 2007-03-26 18:40 äöüß.éèâ
> 
> $ ls -1 > filelist
> 
> $ file filelist
> filelist: UTF-8 Unicode text, with escape sequences
> 

For me the output of file is different and does not include the encoding
information.

$tree /backup_halo_system_files_20070216 > filelist

$file filelist
filelist: ASCII text

ls -al, ls -1 etc., also give the same result.


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Re: Using Asterisk in Debian to set up Conference Calling

[Alan Chandler]

On Monday 26 March 2007 08:14, Mirco Piccin wrote:
> Hi!
>
> } On 3/25/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> }  Is there really nobody on this list using asterisk and the Meetme
> }  application?
>
> I use asterisk, but i've not already use meetme. I think that you
> could find a better community support looking at the asterisk
> mailing-list / forum. There are a lot of that, starting from the
> digium one:
> http://forums.digium.com/.
>
> Hope it helps you!


Thank you for all those that tried to help me off-list.

It requires that you have the zaptel and zaptel-source packages 
installed.  Then you need module-assistant to built the zaptel modules 
(including ztdummy) and get them properly installed and then it works.



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Re: Cannot write file > 1GB to DVD-RAM : any way to fix?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Frank Miles wrote:
> I changed how I was backing up my system, and now need to write larger
> files
> to my Panasonic LF-D521 DVD-RAM (backup drive).  Unfortunately it chokes a
> bit over 1GB, reporting that the file size is too large.  'umount'ing takes
> a really long time as well.
> 
> The disk[s] have been formatted with the udf file system.
> This problem occurs with each of the several disks that I tried.
> 
> Any suggestions on how I can store larger files?

I use ext2 on etch and files of more than 2GB are saved without problems
(sensing that it's not really useful to use a journal on DVD-ram). I
don't remember why I stopped using udf, but ext2 works fine.

HTH,
Johannes



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Re: Speeding up boot time

[KS]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> Run "ls -1 /etc/init.d" and post it here.  That will tell us what you
> can deinstall.
> 
Hmmm, init ... I was wondering what is the status of the init daemon
replacements upstart and initng. I was checking up in on initng on
debian website and the changelog shows that the last update was more
than an year ago and the latest version of the package is 0.5.2-1
whereas the latest upstream version is 0.6.10 However, upstart seems to
be more uptodate with a new package 0.3.8-1 uploaded on 12 Mar.

Does anyone have experience in using either of these? How much is the
performance different than the current init?

Thanks,
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Re: How to: Mount NTFS filesystems RW

[Stefan Monnier]

> Thanks, that is a perfect solution to my problem. Esp. since I am not
> having much luck getting ntfs-3g installed and running.

Odd.  For what it's worth I don't use ntfs much, but I tried ntfs-3g the
other day, and it was trivial: apt-get install ntfs-3g, then mount.


Stefan


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Perl LibZip problem

[Rob Wright]

Greetings,

I'm trying to install the LibZip module into perl on Debian Etch. Perl 5.8 was 
installed via apt with just the basic install, no changes made.

When I run CPAN and do:

install LibZip

Cpan goes through the process of downloading and unzipping the file, starts 
the make and then errors out with the information I've included below. Any 
ideas what I'm missing? I've tried using both 'force' and 'notest', but 
either way the make fails.

Thanks,

Rob Wright
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 end of CPAN make ---
Checking if your kit is complete...
Looks good
Writing Makefile for the embed program (LibZipBin)
Writing Makefile for LibZip
/usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command" -e mkpath "blib/arch/auto/LibZip"
cp script/libzip blib/script/libzip
/usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::MY" -e "MY->fixin(shift)" blib/script/libzip
cp "myldr/LibZipBin" "blib/arch/auto/LibZip"
cp: cannot stat `myldr/LibZipBin': No such file or directory
make: *** [copy_embed] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
cp lib/LibZip/MyFile.pm blib/lib/LibZip/MyFile.pm
cp lib/LibZip.pm blib/lib/LibZip.pm
cp lib/LibZip.pod blib/lib/LibZip.pod
cp lib/LibZip/Info.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Info.pm
cp lib/LibZip/MyArchZip.pm blib/lib/LibZip/MyArchZip.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/PodStripper.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/PodStripper.pm
cp lib/LibZip/CORE.pm blib/lib/LibZip/CORE.pm
cp lib/LibZip/InitLib.pm blib/lib/LibZip/InitLib.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/Package.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/Package.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Scan.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Scan.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/CreateLib.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/CreateLib.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/UPX.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/UPX.pm
cp lib/LibZip.epod blib/lib/LibZip.epod
cp lib/LibZip/MyZlib.pm blib/lib/LibZip/MyZlib.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/PerlBin.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/PerlBin.pm
cp lib/LibZip/DynaLoader.pm blib/lib/LibZip/DynaLoader.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/MyZlibCompress.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/MyZlibCompress.pm
cp lib/LibZip/Build/LZW.pm blib/lib/LibZip/Build/LZW.pm
  /usr/bin/make -j3 -- NOT OK
Running make test
  Can't test without successful make
Running make install
  make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
Failed during this command:
  GMPASSOS/LibZip-0.06.tar.gz                  : make NO

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Re: Apt-listbugs Problems

[Wayne Topa]

David Baron([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> I can get reports for one (count 'em) upgrade at a time. Attempts at more 
> will 
> time out with a failed HTTP Get.

And when it doesn't timeout it takes longer to get the bug list then
the files.  I just removed it.

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Re: Apt-listbugs Problems

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 13:54 +0200, David Baron wrote:
> I can get reports for one (count 'em) upgrade at a time. Attempts at more 
> will 
> time out with a failed HTTP Get.
> 
> Worked last week. What gives?

Bug report here, the maintainer haven't responded yet though,
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416285

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[dave]

on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote:

> but it's all 
> archived if you're really curious.
> 

It started with "Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!" and has been running for
almost 6 months now.  Fascinating.

Ciao,

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Clone my Display

[Michael Ott]

Hi!

I want to clone my display from my Thinkpad T43 to an external monitor.
Both have the same size (1400 x 1050)

I add a few lines into my xorg.conf but it does not do anythine.
Who can help me?

Section "Device"
Identifier  "ATI Technologies, Inc. M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]"
#Driver "ati"
Driver  "radeon"
Option  "DynamicClocks" "on"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "backingstore" "true" # nvidia and Ati
Option  "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
Option  "DRI" "true"
Option  "MonitorLayout" "LDVS, CRT"
#Option "Clone" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Generic Monitor"
Option  "DPMS"
HorizSync   28-70
VertRefresh 43-60
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Default Screen"
Device  "ATI Technologies, Inc. M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]"
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   1
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth   4
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth   8
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth   15
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth   16
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
EndSubSection
EndSection

CU
 
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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 25.03.07 23:32, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
> > What is the performance impact of mounting /tmp in tmpfs? Some thoughts:
> 
> 1. It is a lot faster for a lot of stuff, as long as your kernel has proper
> swapping behaviour.  This happens because tmpfs can avoid a great deal of
> costly operations that other filesystems with backing store need to perform
> (such as the need to keep metadata in sync on the backing store).
> 
> 2. It will waste more virtual memory space than your regular filesystem with
> a backing store, as it needs to keep all data in virtual memory (even if it
> happens to be swapped).  This *can* be a problem on 32-bit systems.

is virtual memory a problem on 32bit OS? I think even 32bit CPUs do have
support for much larger _virtual_ memory.
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Re: Perl LibZip problem

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 12:32:57PM -0500, Rob Wright wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm trying to install the LibZip module into perl on Debian Etch. Perl 5.8 
> was 
> installed via apt with just the basic install, no changes made.
> 
> When I run CPAN and do:
> 
> install LibZip
> 
> Cpan goes through the process of downloading and unzipping the file, starts 
> the make and then errors out with the information I've included below. Any 
> ideas what I'm missing? I've tried using both 'force' and 'notest', but 
> either way the make fails.
> 
Out of curiousity, why CPAN?  Doesn't one of the existing Perl zip
libraries in Etch do what you need?

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:10PM -0500, dave wrote:
> on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote:
> 
> > but it's all 
> > archived if you're really curious.
> > 
> 
> It started with "Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!" and has been running for
> almost 6 months now.  Fascinating.
> 
I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about
this in a few centuries' time :-)

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: pthread has error on Etch

[Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh]

Wackojacko wrote:
> Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
>> Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
>>> Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh writes:
>>>
 void *task1(int *counter)
 {
 while(*counter < 5 ){
 printf("task1 count: %d\n",*counter);
 (*counter)++;
 }//end of while
>>> You are missing a parenthesis here.
>>>
 void cleanup(int counter1,int counter2)
 {
 printf("Total iterations: %d\n",counter1+counter2);
 }//end of cleanup function
 But i receive following error:
>>> With the parenthesis mentioned above added compiles fine in Debian
>>> unstable.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>> I can't understand where i put parenthesis.
>> --Mohsen
> 
> Excuse me jumping in, but I think its the 'end of task1 function' that
> requires a '}'.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Wackojacko
> 
> 
It's a copy/paste problem.
If i has been compiled it,I received  a syntax error.
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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Michael M.]

On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:28 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> > one, IMO.  It's not for everybody; nor is Debian, nor any other distro
> > in particular.  Ubuntu at least provides an experience quite similar to
> > Debian while doing things that Debian stubbornly refuses to do, like
> > sticking to a schedule.  On that score, I agree 100% with Ian Murdoch --
> > Debian is missing a big opportunity.
> 
> What schedule. There was/is no promised schedule. "Dec 6th 2006" was
> never an actual release date.


The schedule that the release team puts together.  It contains target
release dates.  Debian missed its December target for Etch.  It remains
to be seen whether it will make the new target of 2 April 2007.

Call it what you want:  schedule, timeline, target, whatever.  The point
is that the Debian Project doesn't value it enough to stick to it.  I
doubt there's a large software project in existance that hasn't missed
its targets sometimes -- Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE all have had release
delays in recent memory, and then there's Windows Vista.  But Debian is
fairly unique in being so cavalier about it.

Like I said, it's the "when it's ready" attitude taken to the extreme --
to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or
expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like.


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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:27:22PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> 
> is virtual memory a problem on 32bit OS? I think even 32bit CPUs do have
> support for much larger _virtual_ memory.

With a 32-bit CPU, you are limited to 4 GB address space no matter what.
Usually, it is 1 GB for the process and 3 GB for the kernel.  There are
patches available that make a 2/2 split possible.  However, there are
performance issues to consider.  IIRC, even CPUs that have PAE (36-bit
addressing for up to 64 GB of physical RAM), can still only support 4 GB
address space *per process* because they are at heart 32-bit machines.

Regards,

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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> 
> The schedule that the release team puts together.  It contains target
> release dates.  Debian missed its December target for Etch.  It remains
> to be seen whether it will make the new target of 2 April 2007.
> 
> Call it what you want:  schedule, timeline, target, whatever.  The point
> is that the Debian Project doesn't value it enough to stick to it.  I

That's not really a fair characterization.  The Debian project (release
managers, developers, et al) value the target dates.  However, they
value completeness and stability *more* than the calendar.

> doubt there's a large software project in existance that hasn't missed
> its targets sometimes -- Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE all have had release
> delays in recent memory, and then there's Windows Vista.  But Debian is
> fairly unique in being so cavalier about it.
> 
Again, that is wrong.  If you follow the developer and release mailing
lists, you will see that tons of effort goes into making the Debian
release something that can be done with minimal effort on the part of
the admin.  This is no easy task.  Debian includes a tremendous amount
of software, which can be configured in nearly innumerable
configurations.

> Like I said, it's the "when it's ready" attitude taken to the extreme --
> to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or
> expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like.
> 
I started with Debian shortly after Woody was released.  I remember
being disappointed with the repeated delays of Sarge.  However, I stuck
with it because I knew that when the release finally did come it would
be rock solid.  I currently have around a dozen servers in production
running Sarge doing things from serving LTSP, mail servers, web servers,
file servers, LDAP servers, etc.

Now, all the development and user lists are open to the public.
Debian's entire BTS is accessible by the public.

However, the predictability that it appears you want, timely releases at
predefined intervals, is not very likely to be realistic with Debian.
Debian is not motivated by trying to get good PR for being on time or by
trying to make money with a quick release.  So, you are "stuck" with
people who are making their best efforts to produce a quality free
operating system.

If you don't like it, I believe that Debian has a 100% money-back
guarantee.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:27:22PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > is virtual memory a problem on 32bit OS? I think even 32bit CPUs do have
> > support for much larger _virtual_ memory.

On 26.03.07 14:35, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> With a 32-bit CPU, you are limited to 4 GB address space no matter what.
> Usually, it is 1 GB for the process and 3 GB for the kernel.  There are
> patches available that make a 2/2 split possible.  However, there are
> performance issues to consider.  IIRC, even CPUs that have PAE (36-bit
> addressing for up to 64 GB of physical RAM), can still only support 4 GB
> address space *per process* because they are at heart 32-bit machines.

Yes, but that's just and only address space for one process. CPUs with PAE
extension can have 64GB of REAL memory, so they can have at least that much
of virtual memory. Note that tmpfs doesn't need to be addressable by one
process.

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:07:50PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> 
> On 26.03.07 14:35, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > With a 32-bit CPU, you are limited to 4 GB address space no matter what.
> > Usually, it is 1 GB for the process and 3 GB for the kernel.  There are
> > patches available that make a 2/2 split possible.  However, there are
> > performance issues to consider.  IIRC, even CPUs that have PAE (36-bit
> > addressing for up to 64 GB of physical RAM), can still only support 4 GB
> > address space *per process* because they are at heart 32-bit machines.
> 
> Yes, but that's just and only address space for one process. CPUs with PAE
> extension can have 64GB of REAL memory, so they can have at least that much
> of virtual memory. Note that tmpfs doesn't need to be addressable by one
> process.
> 
IIRC, even though you may have >4 GB of physical memory, your virtual
memory space *per process* is limited to 4 GB.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[steef]

Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:59:47 -0400, judd wrote in
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On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:



snip<.>
..another way is consider the military effect, such as Norwegian gas 
turbines emitting CO2, causing some heat up and sea level rise, flooding 
low Pacific islands, Bangla Desh or Holland.


do not worry!!!. we heighten up our dykes in due time.

steef

(groningen, below sea-level)



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/dev/tty perms for xlinks2

[Kent West]

A few days ago xlinks2 was mentioned on this list and I decided to give 
it a try.


When I try to run it from within X as a normal user, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as root, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as a normal user, I get an error about 
opening /dev/tty0 because of permission issues.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/tty0
crw-rw 1 root root 4, 0 2007-03-07 10:04 /dev/tty0

I could change the group to "tty" or something and then add my normal 
user into that group, but is there perhaps a better/safer/more-canonical 
way?


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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 13:26, dave wrote:
> on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote:
> 
>> but it's all 
>> archived if you're really curious.
>>
> 
> It started with "Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!" and has been running for
> almost 6 months now.  Fascinating.

6 months?  No.  But it seems like it.

The "Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!" started 8 weeks 3 days ago, the
"sponge burning" thread started 8 weeks ago.

> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 


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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Joe Hart]

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Roberto � wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
>> The schedule that the release team puts together.  It contains target
>> release dates.  Debian missed its December target for Etch.  It remains
>> to be seen whether it will make the new target of 2 April 2007.
>>
>> Call it what you want:  schedule, timeline, target, whatever.  The point
>> is that the Debian Project doesn't value it enough to stick to it.  I
> 
> That's not really a fair characterization.  The Debian project (release
> managers, developers, et al) value the target dates.  However, they
> value completeness and stability *more* than the calendar.
> 
>> doubt there's a large software project in existance that hasn't missed
>> its targets sometimes -- Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE all have had release
>> delays in recent memory, and then there's Windows Vista.  But Debian is
>> fairly unique in being so cavalier about it.
>>
> Again, that is wrong.  If you follow the developer and release mailing
> lists, you will see that tons of effort goes into making the Debian
> release something that can be done with minimal effort on the part of
> the admin.  This is no easy task.  Debian includes a tremendous amount
> of software, which can be configured in nearly innumerable
> configurations.
> 
>> Like I said, it's the "when it's ready" attitude taken to the extreme --
>> to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or
>> expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like.
>>
> I started with Debian shortly after Woody was released.  I remember
> being disappointed with the repeated delays of Sarge.  However, I stuck
> with it because I knew that when the release finally did come it would
> be rock solid.  I currently have around a dozen servers in production
> running Sarge doing things from serving LTSP, mail servers, web servers,
> file servers, LDAP servers, etc.
> 
> Now, all the development and user lists are open to the public.
> Debian's entire BTS is accessible by the public.
> 
> However, the predictability that it appears you want, timely releases at
> predefined intervals, is not very likely to be realistic with Debian.
> Debian is not motivated by trying to get good PR for being on time or by
> trying to make money with a quick release.  So, you are "stuck" with
> people who are making their best efforts to produce a quality free
> operating system.
> 
> If you don't like it, I believe that Debian has a 100% money-back
> guarantee.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 

I think I promised earlier in this thread to stay quiet, but it's moved
on since then.

Roberto, you are perfectly correct in your above statements.  Debian is
not released as beta software like so many other systems.  For that we
have Testing and Unstable.  When a stable release is made, everyone will
know that it is stable.

There should be no calender.  It should be measured in quality, just
like it is.  If one doesn't like having to wait for things to be marked
stable, they can upgrade to Testing or even Unstable, but they have to
accept the risks that go along with that upgrade.  If they don't want
that risk, then there is nothing that says they can't switch to another
distribution, but from my experience (which I admit is limited), no
other system offers both the flexibility nor the quality of Debian.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

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On 03/26/07 14:20, steef wrote:
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:59:47 -0400, judd wrote in
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>>  
>>> On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>> snip<.>
>> ..another way is consider the military effect, such as Norwegian gas
>> turbines emitting CO2, causing some heat up and sea level rise,
>> flooding low Pacific islands, Bangla Desh or Holland.
> 
> do not worry!!!. we heighten up our dykes in due time.

You heightened up your dykes?  

Anyway... if your dikes burst, you can always float on wooden shoes!

:P

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Re: Clone my Display

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Michael Ott wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I want to clone my display from my Thinkpad T43 to an external monitor.
> Both have the same size (1400 x 1050)
> 
> I add a few lines into my xorg.conf but it does not do anythine.
> Who can help me?
> 
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "ATI Technologies, Inc. M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]"
>   #Driver "ati"
>   Driver  "radeon"
>   Option  "DynamicClocks" "on"
>   BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
>   Option  "backingstore" "true" # nvidia and Ati
>   Option  "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
>   Option  "DRI" "true"
>   Option  "MonitorLayout" "LDVS, CRT"
>   #Option "Clone" "true"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>   Identifier  "Generic Monitor"
>   Option  "DPMS"
>   HorizSync   28-70
>   VertRefresh 43-60
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
>   Identifier  "Default Screen"
>   Device  "ATI Technologies, Inc. M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]"
>   Monitor "Generic Monitor"
>   DefaultDepth24
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   1
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   4
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   8
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   15
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   16
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Depth   24
>   Modes   "1400x1050" "1400x1050"
>   EndSubSection
> EndSection
> 
> CU
>  
>   Michael  
>   

I hate to say this, but have you searched on the internet?

I found this in less than 20 seconds.

http://www.granneman.com/techinfo/linux/installation/dualheadhowto.htm

Joe

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Re: remove from list please

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> 2007/3/25, les shartle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >please remove me from mailing list  my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks
> >a lot les shartle

On 25.03.07 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I'm not sure it will work - he sends html+plaintext e-mails, whith are not
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Re: question about firefox and iceweasel

[KS]

Joe Hart wrote:
> Zbigniew Wiech wrote:
>> What is the reason to split Firefox and Iceweasel ? Technical
>> differences or something with copyright ?
> 
>> What do I lose using "genuine" firefox from Mozilla ?
> 
>> regards
>> zb
> 
> A bit of searching would lead you to the answer, but I will sum it up
> for you.
> 
> Debian requires all software to meed the Debian Free Software Guidelines
> (dsfg) to be included in the main repositories, since Firefox is free,
> it used to be there.  But recently, Mozilla trademarked the firefox logo
> and added a requirement that the logo must be included in firefox
> distributions.  Since that violates the dfsg, Debian retorted by
> "rebranding" the code and creating IceWeasel, IceDove, IceApe and
> perhaps more.  Those are the only ones I have encountered.
> 

time line of the "discussion" can be found here:
http://ghaint.no-ip.org/~k2/debian/debzilla.html


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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> > On 26.03.07 14:35, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > With a 32-bit CPU, you are limited to 4 GB address space no matter what.
> > > Usually, it is 1 GB for the process and 3 GB for the kernel.  There are
> > > patches available that make a 2/2 split possible.  However, there are
> > > performance issues to consider.  IIRC, even CPUs that have PAE (36-bit
> > > addressing for up to 64 GB of physical RAM), can still only support 4 GB
> > > address space *per process* because they are at heart 32-bit machines.

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:07:50PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > Yes, but that's just and only address space for one process. CPUs with PAE
> > extension can have 64GB of REAL memory, so they can have at least that much
> > of virtual memory. Note that tmpfs doesn't need to be addressable by one
> > process.

On 26.03.07 15:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> IIRC, even though you may have >4 GB of physical memory, your virtual
> memory space *per process* is limited to 4 GB.

well, did I write something different? Wasn't I clear enough?

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Re: Perl LibZip problem

[Rob Wright]

On Monday 26 March 2007 13:31, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

> > Cpan goes through the process of downloading and unzipping the file,
> > starts the make and then errors out with the information I've included
> > below. Any ideas what I'm missing? I've tried using both 'force' and
> > 'notest', but either way the make fails.
>
> Out of curiousity, why CPAN?  Doesn't one of the existing Perl zip
> libraries in Etch do what you need?
>
I'm compiling Freeradius which gives me a problem with DynaLoader. That leads 
me to CPAN, then to LibZip, and the desire to kick a penguin.

If there's a Perl zip library that might solve my problem I'm certainly open 
to suggestions. I have already installed libarchive-zip-perl and 
libcompress-bzip2-perl through aptitude

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Re: Reconnect to a specific TTY session?

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:42:38 -0300
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Jim Hyslop wrote:
> > Yes, that's what I did. I started an ssh session, ran 'screen', and
> > launched a program (man screen, IIRC). I got two or three screens
> > running, and was able to switch between them.
> > 
> > Then I put my laptop into standby, and brought it out, which forced the
> > connection to be dropped. When I started the second ssh session, I got
> > the above error message.
> 
> Not even screen -rda  worked?
> 

It's been some time since I used screen so I'm not sure what the above options
are, but your problem is that you start screen in the shell and when ssh dies
the shell dies and takes with it all it's children.

One solution I can think of is to start screen as a background process (server
screen). Not sure if 'screen &' is enough or you may need to use the 'at'
command. You can then start another screen session to connect to the original.
This one will die on exit but leave the master running.

There may may be a command line option for this, possibly then one mentioned
above (I don't have it installed at the moment so I can't check)


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Re: What is this kernel error?

[Micha Feigin]

[snip]
> 
> Look, after checking further I realized that I wasn't even *home* when
> the second message occurred. I had left about 15 minutes earlier. The
> machine was not really doing anything. There was nothing in the apache
> logs. Nothing in the exim4 logs. The nearest entry in syslog was at
> least 30 seconds before or after. The only program that was really
> active was a python script doing an nntp download but I've been running
> that program daily for *months*. Maybe the screensaver kicked in. Or the
> monitor went to sleep. But those things have been happening forever
> while the messages have occurred only twice and only today.
> 
> [ lots of attempted abuse deleted ]
> 
> > As far as I am concerned, you still haven't given enough context to
> > figure the problem(s) out.
> 
> There *is* *no* consistent context. Nothing was happening that hadn't been
> happening countless times for months (or at least days) but the messages
> suddenly appeared only today.
> 

Did you upgrade the kernel or X recently? Any other recent updates?

> > So I guess, I'll have to work on those "smart
> > answers" for someone else that does provide enough diagnostic info to
> > help fix their issues.
> 
> If you can't be helpful then just STFU.
> 


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Re: remove from list please

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 26 March 2007 21:09, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > 2007/3/25, les shartle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >please remove me from mailing list  my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > thanks a lot les shartle
>
> On 25.03.07 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > To subscribe to or unsubscribe from a mailing list, please send mail to
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > with the word `subscribe' or `unsubscribe' as Subject.
> >
> > *Please remember the -REQUEST part of the address.*
>
> I'm not sure it will work - he sends html+plaintext e-mails, whith are not
> understood by some mailing list managers

I must admit that a few weeks ago, and being seriously T'd off by all the OT 
stuff on the list, I tried to unsubscribe myself using that link at the 
bottom of every posting to the list.

3 times I tried that, and got zilch.

I do keep all welcome messages to lists thankfully, and used the link.
 http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

This page has a Subsription/Unsubsription line which should be highlighted. A 
click on that, and you move on to page 2. A few lines down on this page you 
should see highlighted "subsription or unsubscription web forms". Ok click on 
that. This now takes you to a page with all the mailing lists, and the 
one/ones you are subscribed to will be highlighted. Click on "debian-user" 
for example, and that takes you to a new page. Here you have a box for your 
email address, and a "Subscribe", and "Unsubscribe" button. Enter your email 
address, then click on "Unsubscribe". This worked for me, but I have since 
resubscribed as the OT stuff seems to have died down.

I know there are a lot of folks that post to the list that don't have english 
as their first language, but they've already been down the path I described 
above, to subscribe to the list in the first place . It should not be too 
difficult to go down the same path to unsubscribe.

There do seem to be some problems with that unsubscribe link at the bottom of 
every posting from debian-user list though. I use Kmail, and that link would 
not unsubscribe me.

This is not a rant, just an observation.

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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Michael Pobega]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:35:02AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:28 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > > All that is to say that Ubuntu serves a purpose, and it's a valuable
> > > one, IMO.  It's not for everybody; nor is Debian, nor any other distro
> > > in particular.  Ubuntu at least provides an experience quite similar to
> > > Debian while doing things that Debian stubbornly refuses to do, like
> > > sticking to a schedule.  On that score, I agree 100% with Ian Murdoch --
> > > Debian is missing a big opportunity.
> > 
> > What schedule. There was/is no promised schedule. "Dec 6th 2006" was
> > never an actual release date.
> 
> 
> The schedule that the release team puts together.  It contains target
> release dates.  Debian missed its December target for Etch.  It remains
> to be seen whether it will make the new target of 2 April 2007.
> 
> Call it what you want:  schedule, timeline, target, whatever.  The point
> is that the Debian Project doesn't value it enough to stick to it.  I
> doubt there's a large software project in existance that hasn't missed
> its targets sometimes -- Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE all have had release
> delays in recent memory, and then there's Windows Vista.  But Debian is
> fairly unique in being so cavalier about it.
> 

Now this is unfair. You're complaining that the Debian developers
don't release things on time, but think about what the stable branch
is used for; Servers, (some) home computers, and some mission critical
data centers (I am not 100% sure on this, but doesn't NASA use Debian?
I remember reading something about it, or the likes of it)

If Debian worried about sticking to a schedule rather than worrying
about the stability of the product, you'd hear about a few more
missing astronauts and a couple of billion dollars gone from (I'm
going on a limb here) some bank data centers. Obviously this is all
worst case scenario, but it's what Debian is primarily made for.

Most of the PR Debian gets is negative, and that's because no one
truly understands the Debian project; (Note: I'm not a dev, but I'll
use "We" as in "We the Debian people") We don't care about release
dates, we don't care about the newest versions of software, we care
about rock hard stability. Even the testing branch of Debian is known
to be pretty stable, for the most part. And even if you wanted the
things most "Desktop" distros offer, you could apt-pin from unstable.
With enough wits about how Debian works you can get any install of
Debian to feel to the end user exactly like an up to date Ubuntu,
Mandriva, or Fedora install. 

Release dates aside, Debian also has the largest repository for
software. And like Gentoo, Debian is (For the most part) a rolling
release distribution, you never really have to upgrade to a new
release. You could stay testing, or unstable, instead of sticking with
"Sarge" or "Etch". Debian is about choice, and it gives you the power
to use your operating system however you want. Whether you want to
install a mission critical server, or beef up your system ala Gentoo
(Using apt-get source) you could do it.

Sorry about the rant, but I have to defend Debian. It has become my
love in the past few months, I only wish I started using Debian
earlier (Damned Windows).


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Re: Apt-listbugs Problems

[Michael Pobega]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:22:16PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 13:54 +0200, David Baron wrote:
> > I can get reports for one (count 'em) upgrade at a time. Attempts at more 
> > will 
> > time out with a failed HTTP Get.
> > 
> > Worked last week. What gives?
> 
> Bug report here, the maintainer haven't responded yet though,
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416285
> 

Am I the only one that notices the irony of this?


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Re: fvwm vs. fvwm-crystal

[Michael Pobega]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 06:40:56AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Having always had fvwm as window-manager, I decided to look at 
> fvwm-crystal and installed it.
> 
> Fvwm-crystal may be *based* upon fvwm but it sure is not in the 
> *tradition* of fvwm.
> 
> In fvwm the centerpiece is the the config file, .fvwm2rc that you change 
> with any editor to change anything you want in every detail.
> 
> Fvwm-crystal hides that and is entirely GUI based. Not interesting at all.
> 
> Fvwm-crystal flunked the test :-) too bad...
> 
> Hugo
> 

I've never liked Fvwm, it looked like it would take too long to
configure. I tried Fvwm-Crystal a while after, and it was pretty nice
in my opinion. It's an easy solution to a complicated configuration
process.

Although I did end up settling on Window Maker as my desktop of
choice, because I can get the quickest use out of it and my hotkeys.
All I have to do is figure out a way to raise/lower the master volume
using hotkeys and I'll be set for a long time.

This almost makes me want to start a Window Manager/Desktop
Environment thread. But I don't want anyone to complain about OT, so
maybe I'll wait a week or so :)


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Re: Perl LibZip problem

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 15:17, Rob Wright wrote:
> On Monday 26 March 2007 13:31, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> 
>>> Cpan goes through the process of downloading and unzipping the file,
>>> starts the make and then errors out with the information I've included
>>> below. Any ideas what I'm missing? I've tried using both 'force' and
>>> 'notest', but either way the make fails.
>> Out of curiousity, why CPAN?  Doesn't one of the existing Perl zip
>> libraries in Etch do what you need?
>>
> I'm compiling Freeradius which gives me a problem with DynaLoader. That leads 
> me to CPAN, then to LibZip, and the desire to kick a penguin.

Is the Debian freeradius package too out of date?

> If there's a Perl zip library that might solve my problem I'm certainly open 
> to suggestions. I have already installed libarchive-zip-perl and 
> libcompress-bzip2-perl through aptitude


You are saying that libarchive-zip-perl does not satisfy Freeradius'
requirements?

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob Wright
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 


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Re: /dev/tty perms for xlinks2

[Michael Pobega]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:15:21PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> A few days ago xlinks2 was mentioned on this list and I decided to give 
> it a try.
> 
> When I try to run it from within X as a normal user, no problem.
> 
> When I try to run it outside of X as root, no problem.
> 
> When I try to run it outside of X as a normal user, I get an error about 
> opening /dev/tty0 because of permission issues.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/tty0
> crw-rw 1 root root 4, 0 2007-03-07 10:04 /dev/tty0
> 
> I could change the group to "tty" or something and then add my normal 
> user into that group, but is there perhaps a better/safer/more-canonical 
> way?
> 

Kind of an OT question sorry, but how can you run xlinks2 outside of
X? I thought that TTY terminal sessions didn't support images?


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Re: /dev/tty perms for xlinks2

[Kent West]

Michael Pobega wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:15:21PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
  
A few days ago xlinks2 was mentioned on this list and I decided to give 
it a try.


When I try to run it from within X as a normal user, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as root, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as a normal user, I get an error about 
opening /dev/tty0 because of permission issues.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/tty0
crw-rw 1 root root 4, 0 2007-03-07 10:04 /dev/tty0

I could change the group to "tty" or something and then add my normal 
user into that group, but is there perhaps a better/safer/more-canonical 
way?





Kind of an OT question sorry, but how can you run xlinks2 outside of
X? I thought that TTY terminal sessions didn't support images?
  
It uses the fbdev device; pretty sweet. And fast! Of course, it has some 
limitations 


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Re: fvwm vs. fvwm-crystal

[Joe Hart]

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 06:40:56AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Having always had fvwm as window-manager, I decided to look at 
>> fvwm-crystal and installed it.
>>
>> Fvwm-crystal may be *based* upon fvwm but it sure is not in the 
>> *tradition* of fvwm.
>>
>> In fvwm the centerpiece is the the config file, .fvwm2rc that you change 
>> with any editor to change anything you want in every detail.
>>
>> Fvwm-crystal hides that and is entirely GUI based. Not interesting at all.
>>
>> Fvwm-crystal flunked the test :-) too bad...
>>
>> Hugo
>>
> 
> I've never liked Fvwm, it looked like it would take too long to
> configure. I tried Fvwm-Crystal a while after, and it was pretty nice
> in my opinion. It's an easy solution to a complicated configuration
> process.
> 
> Although I did end up settling on Window Maker as my desktop of
> choice, because I can get the quickest use out of it and my hotkeys.
> All I have to do is figure out a way to raise/lower the master volume
> using hotkeys and I'll be set for a long time.
> 
> This almost makes me want to start a Window Manager/Desktop
> Environment thread. But I don't want anyone to complain about OT, so
> maybe I'll wait a week or so :)
> 
> 
How is discussing Windows Managers off-topic to Debian Users?  IMO, it
is quite on topic and quite interesting to see what WMs people prefer
and why.

The messages about politics, religion and other GNU/Linux distributions
are off-topic.

If we wanted to discuss why Desktop Managers like gdm, kdm and xdm are
useless wastes of memory in some people's opinion, or why one prefers WM
over another is certainly relevant.

So tell me, Why did you decide Window Maker was better than fvwm-crystal
and what about other managers like blackbox or XFCE.  All of them are
lightweight according to what I have read.

Personally I like KDE because it is so configurable and has a very
constant look with it's apps, but you see if you look at the headers to
this mail that I use IceDove, so I am not exclusively using KDE apps.

Joe
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Re: Perl LibZip problem

[Rob Wright]

On Monday 26 March 2007 15:48, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Is the Debian freeradius package too out of date?
>
Nope, I'm neither saying nor implying anything of the sort.

> > If there's a Perl zip library that might solve my problem I'm certainly
> > open to suggestions. I have already installed libarchive-zip-perl and
> > libcompress-bzip2-perl through aptitude
>
> You are saying that libarchive-zip-perl does not satisfy Freeradius'
> requirements?
>
I'm not sure I'm saying that, but it isn't working.

Rob 
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Re: /dev/tty perms for xlinks2

[Cassiano Leal]

Kent West wrote:

Michael Pobega wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:15:21PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
 
A few days ago xlinks2 was mentioned on this list and I decided to 
give it a try.


When I try to run it from within X as a normal user, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as root, no problem.

When I try to run it outside of X as a normal user, I get an error 
about opening /dev/tty0 because of permission issues.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/tty0
crw-rw 1 root root 4, 0 2007-03-07 10:04 /dev/tty0

I could change the group to "tty" or something and then add my normal 
user into that group, but is there perhaps a 
better/safer/more-canonical way?





Kind of an OT question sorry, but how can you run xlinks2 outside of
X? I thought that TTY terminal sessions didn't support images?
  
It uses the fbdev device; pretty sweet. And fast! Of course, it has some 
limitations 




Try 'links2 -g'. Since I've never used xlinks2, I can't say wether 
they're the same thing.


Worth a shot, though!

Cassiano


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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Does anyone have experience in using either of these? How much is the
performance different than the current init?



I use Initng.  Is  is running perfectly.  In fact,  a bug  I had  (where
Esound  would not start  on  booting as it should) was solved by moving from
Sysvinit to initng.

The performance difference is large, but I don't remember the numbers. Just
try for yourself.

On my Gentoo system, I have both Initng and Sysvinit. I choose on the Grub
menu which one I'll boot. Initng is default. Sysvinit is there only because
my friend Justin made me keep it.

Note: I'm using initng-0.6.8.

Thanks,

KS.




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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

1. It is a lot faster for a lot of stuff, as long as your kernel has
proper
swapping behavior.  This happens because tmpfs can avoid a great deal of
costly operations that other filesystems with backing store need to
perform
(such as the need to keep metadata in sync on the backing store).

2. It will waste more virtual memory space than your regular filesystem
with
a backing store, as it needs to keep all data in virtual memory (even if
it
happens to be swapped).  This *can* be a problem on 32-bit systems.



Interesting. Is there any downside? Why isn't  this default?

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Re: /dev/tty perms for xlinks2

[Kent West]

Cassiano Leal wrote:
Try 'links2 -g'. Since I've never used xlinks2, I can't say wether 
they're the same thing.


Worth a shot, though!



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /usr/bin/xlinks2
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links2 -g "$@"


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Re: getmail configuration (How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup)

[Andrei Popescu]

Benedict Verheyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu schreef:
> > Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> 1.) What is 'reinjection in a mail queue'? Where can I learn how
> >> this differs from whatever is being done by fetchmail as an
> >> example case? Or does fetchmail also do reinjection in a mail
> >> queue?
> > 
> > As I understand it, the pop3/imap protocols were created to allow a
> > mail client to retrieve the mail and present it to the user.
> > Fetchmail instead is feeding it back to a mail server through port
> > 25.
> 
> In my case, i use fetchmail in daemon mode without problems but
> apperently, there is some ugliness with bounced messages when using
> reinjection. Not sure how or what that entails but i would also like
> to know what the exact problem is.
> 
> I've had a look at getmail and it's indeed easy to setup & have cron
> check the mail, but, with fetchmail the spam & virus checking is done
> from exim.
> 
> With getmail this is no longer possible so you have to find another

But you can do it with getmail itself, just use a [filter-foo] section.

Regards,
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Re: Problem with mouse in X [WAS: Re: a dumb query? pls humor me]

[Kent West]

William Mok wrote:
I installed X windows system under Debian 3.1.r2, I typed 'startx' but I got 
the following error:


xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice

 No such device

Generic Mouse: cannot open input device

PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"



Does anyone know how this problem can be fixed? Thanks.
  
X expects you to have an USB mouse, and to have the appropriate USB 
modules loaded. If either of those conditions is false, this explains 
the error message. (You don't say what type of mouse you have, or which 
distro you're running; if Sarge, I suggest upgrading to Etch unless you 
need to stay with Sarge for some reason.)


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Re: Perl LibZip problem

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/26/07 16:17, Rob Wright wrote:
> On Monday 26 March 2007 15:48, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Is the Debian freeradius package too out of date?
>>
> Nope, I'm neither saying nor implying anything of the sort.

OK.  I was just curious why you aren't using the Freeradius Debian
package.

> 
>>> If there's a Perl zip library that might solve my problem I'm certainly
>>> open to suggestions. I have already installed libarchive-zip-perl and
>>> libcompress-bzip2-perl through aptitude
>> You are saying that libarchive-zip-perl does not satisfy Freeradius'
>> requirements?
>>
> I'm not sure I'm saying that, but it isn't working.

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Re: [Almost solved]Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Andrei Popescu]

eklektik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ppp *is* included on the xfce disk, but not pppconfig. This will
> probably not change on the final version because packages are included
> by popularity.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

> Actually, Andrei was right the cd includes not only the ppp but both
> packages. When I issued the "aptitude install ppp" command that
> installed the pppconfig as well. After the installation everything
> went smoothly. So I am now up and running happily; in the meantime, I
> would like to thank to everyone who helped me solving this problem. I
> have one minor glitch left.  I can issue the "pon" command only in
> root mode. Is there a way of changing that to a simple user mode? 

Run this as root (replace user_name with the username you want to use):

adduser user_name dip

This will work only after the user is logged out and back in.

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Re: fvwm vs. fvwm-crystal

[Michael Pobega]

> 
> So tell me, Why did you decide Window Maker was better than fvwm-crystal
> and what about other managers like blackbox or XFCE.  All of them are
> lightweight according to what I have read.
> 
> Personally I like KDE because it is so configurable and has a very
> constant look with it's apps, but you see if you look at the headers to
> this mail that I use IceDove, so I am not exclusively using KDE apps.
> 
> Joe
>

Well, I've tried out a lot of Window Manager, so I'll give my reviews
on each (From lightest to heaviest, ending with Window Maker [Not
because it's the heaviest, but because I have the most to write about
for it])

Ion2: Arguably the lightest window manager available. I loved Ion2 and
I'd definitely use it on a desktop, but being on a laptop I need a
system tray for monitoring battery life and my WiFi networks.
Therefore Ion wasn't a viable choice for me. But, as a window manager
Ion is great. It runs on hotkeys (Which are completely configurable)
and acts as basically an X equivalent to screen (apt-get install
screen and run it from a terminal if you don't know what screen is.
Also the Gentoo Wiki has an awesome tutorial for learning screen in 5
minutes).

Ratpoison: Barely touched it, but from what I was able to tell it is
very similar to Ion.

Fluxbox: A nice window manager, I really only use it when I'm running
DSL or FeatherLinux (But lately I've grown accustomed to
SystemRescueCD, which I'll talk about later [0 for review]). Fluxbox
is nice and configurable, and it has some pretty cool default hotkeys
(Like Ctrl+F# for desktop switching). Fluxbox is a nice window manager
for those who don't want to spend too much time configuring their
window manager, but it is also good for those who want to spend
tedious hours working on every last detail. There is no inbetween.

Fvwm: Too hard to configure for me, but from what I've seen it's an
awesome window manager after reading through all of the docs. It takes
a day to a week to configure how you want, but it's well worth it I've
heard (From people who use it).

Fvwm-Crystal: A nice wm for those who don't want to spend hours
editing configuration files. It's pretty easy to change the settings,
and a nice all-around, simple window manager (Probably even simpler
than Fluxbox), but I just couldn't find my groove with it; Don't ask
me why.

IceWM: A nice, simple, barely need to edit the configuration window
manager. I use it by default for my laptop's guest account, because it
quickly acts just like a Windows computer; Which is very nice for
people coming to my house, wanting to check their webmail and things
like that (I'll admit I'm 17, so all of my friends actually check
their MySpace and things when they come over. I don't have one
personally, but that's a rant for another place and time). The only
thing I DON'T like about IceWM is when people complain that "Linux is
just trying to be like Windows", which is completely untrue (Keep in
mind that it's these same people that don't understand what a window
manager is, or even comprehend what GNU is!).

Enlightenment (E17): Beautiful, but not too functional. After hours of
tinkering I couldn't get E17 to do what I wanted, so I just gave up on
it.

Xfce4: I used this for a while back when I was a newbie on Xubuntu (I
prefer speed against size). Xfce4 is nice and customizable, definitely
better than GNOME in almost every aspect. It is GTK powered, and it's
Xfwm window manager is by a longshot better than Metacity (GNOME's
current window manager). In my opinion the GNOME project should adopt
Xfwm as their official window manager. Anyway, Xfce4 is easy to
customize, and has it's own set of tools as well. It stays pretty
lightweight, but there is a limit to how lightweight a DESKTOP
ENVIRONMENT can be (Keep in mind Xfce4 is a DE, not a WM)

GNOME: A nice desktop environment for newbies to GNU/Linux and experts
alike, GNOME offers all kinds of things other DEs don't. GNOME is very
configurable (Not near as much as Xfce though) and runs /somewhat/
quickly, but altogether the default configurations should be fine for
anyone running it. I have friends who swear by it, but I personally
don't like being on it; I feel like my computer is controlling me
instead of me controlling it!

KDE: Ah, KDE. Either you hate it or you love it. Personally I love it,
if I had to choose something to use besides Window Maker it would be
KDE. KDE is easy to configure (Although it takes a few hours, it's
much easier than going through docs and config files in my opinion),
and has tons and tons of options. If there is one problem I have with
the KDE suite it would be Konqueror; I hated it as both a web and file
browser. It didn't have as many options as Mozilla's Gecko powered
browsers (Including the unofficial Galeon), and didn't offer the
options that I needed (Like having the browser's font override the
page's).

Window Maker: Finally, we land on my choice. Window maker. Window
maker took me about four days to set up, but on

Re: remove from list please

[Andrei Popescu]

Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There do seem to be some problems with that unsubscribe link at the
> bottom of every posting from debian-user list though. I use Kmail,
> and that link would not unsubscribe me.
> 
> This is not a rant, just an observation.

I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] would like to know about them.

Regards,
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Re: Any feedback on Icedove?

[Ed G]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:36:11 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> but for usability it's irelevant...

Unlike for iceweasel, which was completely useless to me (with broken 
session management) for many weeks.


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Re: dvdbackup: undefined symbol: UDFFindFile

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 21:49 +0200, gustavo halperin wrote:
> I am getting this error when I try to backup my video dvd or just get 
> info of my video dvd, see below:
> 
> linux: dvdbackup -Mi /dev/dvd -I
> dvdbackup: relocation error: dvdbackup: undefined symbol: 
> UDFFindFile
> [snip]
> linux : dpkg -s dvdbackup|fgrep Version
> Version: 0.1.1-3
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?

Sounds like it's time to upgrade, this is fixed in version 0.1.1-6.
See, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365637

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Re: getmail configuration (How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup)

[Paul Stolp]

* Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-26 17:00]:
> Benedict Verheyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Andrei Popescu schreef:
> > > Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> 1.) What is 'reinjection in a mail queue'? Where can I learn how
> > >> this differs from whatever is being done by fetchmail as an
> > >> example case? Or does fetchmail also do reinjection in a mail
> > >> queue?
> > > 
> > > As I understand it, the pop3/imap protocols were created to allow a
> > > mail client to retrieve the mail and present it to the user.
> > > Fetchmail instead is feeding it back to a mail server through port
> > > 25.
> > 
> > In my case, i use fetchmail in daemon mode without problems but
> > apperently, there is some ugliness with bounced messages when using
> > reinjection. Not sure how or what that entails but i would also like
> > to know what the exact problem is.
> > 
> > I've had a look at getmail and it's indeed easy to setup & have cron
> > check the mail, but, with fetchmail the spam & virus checking is done
> > from exim.
> > 
> > With getmail this is no longer possible so you have to find another
> 
> But you can do it with getmail itself, just use a [filter-foo] section.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

I'm not even sure you need such a section. You can use
getmail through the MTA. e.g. here is my getmailrc:

[options]
verbose=1
readall=1
delete=1
message_log=~/.getmail/getmail.log
[retriever]
type=SimplePOP3Retriever
server=.xxx
username=x
password=
[destination]
type=MDA_external
path=/usr/sbin/exim4
arguments=("-bm","unixaccountname",)

I would think that this would then use exim's spam and
virus checking (I actually don't have that going
through exim.)

Perhaps I'm missing the point ... can spam and viruses
be rejected at SMTP time with fetchmail?

While I'm aware of no specific problem, I suppose that
this setup could lead to the reinjection ugliness
Benedict refers to.

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Re: Reconnect to a specific TTY session?

[Jim Hyslop]

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> Not even screen -rda  worked?

Woohoo! That's got it, thanks.

Now I just have to remember to use screen whenever I'm about to do
anything I don't want disconnected :-)

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:06:00PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:07:50PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > > Yes, but that's just and only address space for one process. CPUs with PAE
> > > extension can have 64GB of REAL memory, so they can have at least that 
> > > much
> > > of virtual memory. Note that tmpfs doesn't need to be addressable by one
> > > process.
> 
> On 26.03.07 15:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > IIRC, even though you may have >4 GB of physical memory, your virtual
> > memory space *per process* is limited to 4 GB.
> 
> well, did I write something different? Wasn't I clear enough?
> 
I'm not sure.  I guess that to me it sounded like it was possible to
have 64 GB of virtual memory.

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Re: Reconnect to a specific TTY session?

[Jim Hyslop]

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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Is there any firewall between the server and the client? If so, the firewall
> might be switching off the idle ssh connections. If this infact is your
> problem, to keep the ssh connections alive use ServerAliveInterval option
> in your ~/.ssh/config . More info can be found at the man page of
> ssh_config.

Thanks for the tip, Raju. There's no firewall involved, though - it
happens when my laptop goes into standby. Both computers are on the
same, internal router.

Jeff and Henrique's suggestion of using 'screen' worked (once I got the
right combination of options to use).

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:32:09PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:10PM -0500, dave wrote:
> > on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote:
> > 
> > > but it's all 
> > > archived if you're really curious.
> > > 
> > 
> > It started with "Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!" and has been running for
> > almost 6 months now.  Fascinating.
> > 
> I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about
> this in a few centuries' time :-)

Easy:

"Anybody know what these little platters of dusty old ferric oxide
particles are??  anybody?"

"I think they are some sort of religious talisman --"

"NO NO NO! I told you they are a fetish used in certain rituals"

"I think they are a weapon, the hunters hurled them from an
electronically controlled, high-rpm device. They would literally slice
into their prey -- very accurate over long distances -- " 

"RUBBISH! These are clearly a symbolic representation of the sun
god!!"

...

or maybe it will be something more like this:

"Emacs!!"

"Vi!!"

...


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