date:20070215

Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> Oh come on.  At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a
> month, each at
> 25 pages or so, using Word.  There are lots of reasons to dislike Word,
> but get real, it's usable
> and it works.  

Just looking at the number of word documents produced every day, yes,
Word seems to work. There are even reports of people having accomplished
the task of generating long and complex documents using word. I know one
guy who wrote a ca. 200 pages scientific review paper with coauthors
scattered around the globe.

In the end it worked, but it was a horrible experience. Just two points:

- after the paper was edited by one of the coauthors, the equations
could not be changed any more and were not displayed correctly. (The
coauthor used a different version of word)

- the paper was stored on a 'network drive' on a server with a raid.
When the network was down for 10s. Word corrupted the file and could not
restore it. Despite the fact that a reasonable autosave interval was
set, no usable backup could be recovered. The document had to be
recreated from the last valid print out.

(All that the linux users experienced during the 10s was a temporary
freeze of network access, no data loss or corruption!)

The problem with the corrupted files might have been avoided by a better
backup strategy, but that requires efforts outside of word. With LaTeX
on linux, no extra efforts are required for protecting your documents
from the OS or from the editor failing to properly 'autosave' the
documents in a way that they are usable.

(I am no expert for word, so I can't really tell why the 'autosave'
didn't work in this case. From all that I could tell from the settings,
the document should have been saved every 5 or 10 minutes, but this was
evidently not the case. What probably happened is that the autosave
kicked in when the file was already corrupted and therefore saved a
corrupted copy of the corrupted file.)

YMMV, but IMHO reliability on top of usabilitiy are so poor, that no one
should use word for productive work.

[The irony in this story is that fact that this guy still laughs at me
using such 'exotic' software as LaTeX. ]

I guess that almost all word users have had their 'disasters' of this or
other type. The interesting thing is, that most will still stick to it,
trying to work around the limitations (like rotating documents like
text1.doc, text2.doc etc. in order to have more backups once word
corrupts their files or upgrading to the latest version of word just to
be able to share their documents etc.) instead of using a better
software in the first place.

Johannes

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Jean-Paul Mannie

For me the main advantages of LaTeX over Word is the easy incorporation
of references, citations and numbering figures and tables. Offcourse
Word is also able to do this, but with a lot more trouble. Something
like 'headings' always want to do things differently then the author. I
wrote several thesises in Word during my study. After too many
workarounds I got sick of it, and put some effort in learning LaTeX
(RTFM!). The use of LaTeX is without borders! If you are used to MS, try
MiKTeX.. If you put some efforts in it, you will never us word again,
especially when your in science! 

Jean-Paul

===
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> Oh come on.  At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a
> month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word.  There are lots of reasons 
> to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable
> and it works.  

Just looking at the number of word documents produced every day, yes,
Word seems to work. There are even reports of people having accomplished
the task of generating long and complex documents using word. I know one
guy who wrote a ca. 200 pages scientific review paper with coauthors
scattered around the globe.

In the end it worked, but it was a horrible experience. Just two points:

- after the paper was edited by one of the coauthors, the equations
could not be changed any more and were not displayed correctly. (The
coauthor used a different version of word)

- the paper was stored on a 'network drive' on a server with a raid.
When the network was down for 10s. Word corrupted the file and could not
restore it. Despite the fact that a reasonable autosave interval was
set, no usable backup could be recovered. The document had to be
recreated from the last valid print out.

(All that the linux users experienced during the 10s was a temporary
freeze of network access, no data loss or corruption!)

The problem with the corrupted files might have been avoided by a better
backup strategy, but that requires efforts outside of word. With LaTeX
on linux, no extra efforts are required for protecting your documents
from the OS or from the editor failing to properly 'autosave' the
documents in a way that they are usable.

(I am no expert for word, so I can't really tell why the 'autosave'
didn't work in this case. From all that I could tell from the settings,
the document should have been saved every 5 or 10 minutes, but this was
evidently not the case. What probably happened is that the autosave
kicked in when the file was already corrupted and therefore saved a
corrupted copy of the corrupted file.)

YMMV, but IMHO reliability on top of usabilitiy are so poor, that no one
should use word for productive work.

[The irony in this story is that fact that this guy still laughs at me
using such 'exotic' software as LaTeX. ]

I guess that almost all word users have had their 'disasters' of this or
other type. The interesting thing is, that most will still stick to it,
trying to work around the limitations (like rotating documents like
text1.doc, text2.doc etc. in order to have more backups once word
corrupts their files or upgrading to the latest version of word just to
be able to share their documents etc.) instead of using a better
software in the first place.

Johannes

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Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Hart

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Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include 
> * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500
>> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out
>>> myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default
>>> curses installer).
>> Just boot with 'installgui' or 'expertgui'.
>>
>> I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my brother to
>> try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was pretty disappointed
>> and gave up. Now I want to give it another try with etch as I am more
>> experienced and I know Debian much better anyway.
> 
> Such freezing at KDE start may be a typical hardware problem. For
> example, my brother has a really broken sound chip on his laptop and
> there was similar freezing when the start sound was to be played.
> 
> In such cases, changing the distro won't help you much.
> 
> Eduard.
> 

Actually, it might.  When I first tried Kubuntu, the Live CD (both
Dapper and Edgy) wouldn't boot, no matter which cheat I used.  However,
the alternate install, which is much closer to the Debian installer
worked fine.  Etch installed on the same machine with no difficulties at
all.  But the Live Kubuntu CD's still won't boot.

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Re: monodevelop in Etch - Success!

2007-02-15 Thread csanyipal

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 09:44:14PM +0100, kfitzgeralald wrote:
> 
> I wrote a how-to guide a couple of days ago for exactly this:
> 
> http://kevinfitzgerald.net/sto/monodevelop-debian-etch.html
> 
> Hope this helps,

Yes, I install successfully the monodevelop package using this guide. 
Thanks!

I can add only a note to this guide: the monodevelop depend of the 
metacity package too:

# LANG=C dpkg -i monodevelop_0.12+dfsg-1_all.deb
(Reading database ... 156253 files and directories currently 
installed.)
Preparing to replace monodevelop 0.12+dfsg-1 (using 
monodevelop_0.12+dfsg-1_all.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement monodevelop ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of monodevelop:
 monodevelop depends on metacity; however:
  Package metacity is not installed.
dpkg: error processing monodevelop (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 monodevelop

After I installed the metacity, I can install the monodevelop. :)

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
 
Oh come on.  At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a 
month, each at
25 pages or so, using Word.  There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, 
but get real, it's usable


That depends on how you define usable.  Word might handle a 25 page
document.  The experience of many of my friends has been that big
documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word.  One friend of
mine did his thesis (350-400 pages) in Word.  Once he got past 100 or
150 pages, he was constantly fighting with it.  The TOC would get messed
up, it would screw up formatting and sectioning and lots of other
issues.




From personal experience:
I have written 1 book: a translation of Henry Corbin's En Islam Iranien 
- II. (300+ pages)


I have done that in 2 ways: one in M$ Word and one with Latex. The M$ 
Word was a royal PITA because Word does not handle TOC's well. I had to 
do that all myself with that Basic implementation for Word. On the other 
hand LaTex did it all without a hitch.


Second of all the formatting gets messed up in Word: it switches format 
without warning and you end up making little hardcoded adjustments: 
never happens in LaTex.


Be glad to send the Latex version on request.

Hugo


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Re: flash plugin

2007-02-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Bob McGowan wrote:
I've got iceweasel installed and the installed files list shows a 
directory called 'plugins', located here:


/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins

This is where I'd look to put the Flash files, if I wanted them to be 
globally active (for all possible users of the system).  But, you can 
have a private plugin directory, for your account.  Put the files in 
$HOME/.mozilla/plugins, which does *not* exist by default, so you need 
to create it.


The system plugin directory will always exist.  Both Iceweasel and 
Firefox have default plugins that are part of the base package and are 
installed there.


I just downloaded a new plugin, for testing purposes, and put the .so 
file in my .mozilla/plugins directory, and it loaded and ran perfectly. 
 In this case, the plugin loaded and worked without a restart of the 
browser, but you may find it's necessary to exit and restart the browser 
before some plugins work.


Bob



I downloaded the new plugin from the Adobe page + created 
$HOME/.mozilla/plugins.

Untarred the tarball as user and ran ./flashplayer-installer.

It told me:
NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
  components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.

which I did. Then about:plugins in iceweasel shows:

...
Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31

Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63
...

which is correct because the global installation still has 7.0 and my 
private installation has 9.0.


However, when I go here:
http://www.latimes.com/
it still tells me I don't have the latest plugin.

Anybody else see that?

Hugo



Niels Rasmussen wrote:

Jonathan Kaye wrote:

Just get the tarball directly from Adobe. You can find it here:
http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW 

The installation instructions are on this link but I just manually 
stick the

two files in ~/.mozilla/plugins. The files are flashplayer.xpt and
libflashplayer.so. I'm running Firefox and this is where it wants them.


Are you sure ?? (I had to create the plugins dir maually).

It doesn't work here :-/

I'm running debian testing (etch)

Could you please share some more info on this ?




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Re: flash plugin

2007-02-15 Thread Freddy Freeloader


Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Bob McGowan wrote:
I've got iceweasel installed and the installed files list shows a 
directory called 'plugins', located here:


/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins

This is where I'd look to put the Flash files, if I wanted them to be 
globally active (for all possible users of the system).  But, you can 
have a private plugin directory, for your account.  Put the files in 
$HOME/.mozilla/plugins, which does *not* exist by default, so you 
need to create it.


The system plugin directory will always exist.  Both Iceweasel and 
Firefox have default plugins that are part of the base package and 
are installed there.


I just downloaded a new plugin, for testing purposes, and put the .so 
file in my .mozilla/plugins directory, and it loaded and ran 
perfectly.  In this case, the plugin loaded and worked without a 
restart of the browser, but you may find it's necessary to exit and 
restart the browser before some plugins work.


Bob



I downloaded the new plugin from the Adobe page + created 
$HOME/.mozilla/plugins.

Untarred the tarball as user and ran ./flashplayer-installer.

It told me:
NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
  components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.

which I did. Then about:plugins in iceweasel shows:

...
Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31

Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63
...

which is correct because the global installation still has 7.0 and my 
private installation has 9.0.


However, when I go here:
http://www.latimes.com/
it still tells me I don't have the latest plugin.

Anybody else see that?

Hugo



Niels Rasmussen wrote:

Jonathan Kaye wrote:

Just get the tarball directly from Adobe. You can find it here:
http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW 

The installation instructions are on this link but I just manually 
stick the

two files in ~/.mozilla/plugins. The files are flashplayer.xpt and
libflashplayer.so. I'm running Firefox and this is where it wants 
them.


Are you sure ?? (I had to create the plugins dir maually).

It doesn't work here :-/

I'm running debian testing (etch)

Could you please share some more info on this ?




I had the problem of having the correct flash player version show up 
when I first switched too.  I did my install manually, but made it 
global as there are multiple accounts on this computer.  What I did to 
cure this was run "locate libflashplayer.so, or whatever the correct 
name of that file is,  and then copy the new flash player .so file to 
those locations over-writing the old version. 


It cured the problem for me.


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Re: Apt source file for etch.

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 10:10 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 11:14:00AM -0500, Greg Folkert
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 09:48 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > > Alternatively, you can change the lines to "etch" right
> > > now. Then you don't have to worry about the transition.
> > 
> > Let us not go through that WHOLE ROUND of stuff again. Go
> > back in the archives and search your suggestion.
> 
> Can you give a few more search hints? I'm intrigued as to
> any reason to avoid using release-names: I can't think of
> any.

"smooth upgrades" from Early January
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Re: Apt source file for etch.

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 09:37 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> I don't recall the debate you refer to. My suggestion above is what
> I'll be doing. What's best for you is for you to decide.

Search for

"smooth upgrades" from early January on this list.
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Can't get to a console from gdm screen

2007-02-15 Thread Markus . Grunwald

Hello,

I have a problem on a debian etch machine: When the gdm screen comes, 
Ctrl-Alt-Fn doesn't take me to any console. I have to log in as user, then 
it works. Is this some "special" kind of security setting ???

I have this problem since a long, long time and could live with it, but 
now one of my colleagues has the same problem and asks for advice...

TIA,

Markus Grunwald
Softwaredevelopment

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Re: scanmaker v310

On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 19:16 -0500, james scott wrote:
> I was wondering is there a way i could down load the stuff ineed too run 
> this wonderful scasnner
> 
> could u please let me no
> 
> 
> thank-you for ur time

It works pretty much just fine with most current Linux distros. It is
supported by the sane-microtek2 backend. Though your particular scanner
the Microtek ScanMaker V310 is basically very old (Drivers I found were
for MAC OS7) it would make sense to purchase a $20 USB scanner that is
USB powered and of course make sure you check for Linux compatibility.

If you need more help with getting it to work with Debian Linux, then
this is the place to ask.

If you are asking how to get it to work in Windows or OSX, this is not
the place.
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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

Kent West wrote:
> (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian
> question.)
> 
> Verse 1
>  A
> I wanna make you smile
> Bm
> Whenever you're sad
> C#m
> Carry you around
>   D
> When your arthritis is bad
> A  E
> All I wanna do is
>  D A E
> Grow old with you.
> 
> What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up
> with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will
> be necessary. I currently do this in OO.o with a monospace font and
> manually spacing over to where the chord name goes.

With plain LaTeX, I would just define a proper macro for algning the
letters, say

\newcommand{chord}{Definition of how to put chord A over letter a}

and then whenever your want a chord, you just type \chord{chord}{letter}
whenever you want chord over a letter.

> The songs will be one (or maybe two or three short ones) to a page, with
> a few taking two or three pages. The pages won't be numbered, but I will
> want them in alphabetical order by category (mine, Christmas songs,
> Country songs, etc), and then a table of contents. This way I can add a
> new song/page without having to re-print the entire book of songs; I can
> just print the one song and the newly-generated table of contents, and
> then replace the current TOC in my book with the new one and put the new
> song/page into the proper place alphabetically into the book.

My suggestion is to use one .tex-file per song, where the filename is
the title of the song (replace spaces by _). You can then just to use
'ls' and 'sort' or the like to create an alphabetical list of your
songs. These will then be incorporated into your songbooks
latex-master-file in alphabetical order. [Hint: \include{filename}]

> My basic question is this: Is LaTeX suitable for this sort of document?

Yes.

> And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or
> should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already?

Yes, as someone else has pointed out, you will soon discover that you
can do many useful neat tricks you never knew of...

I'm no guitarplayer, and so I don't know if that is really what you
wanted, but here comes my little LaTeX hack to do what I think you
wanted to achieve. The pdf (7.2k) of all that is attached as well.

Johannes

NB: I don't know if this alignment (without use of a monospace font!) is
what you would want, but that could be changed easily. Probably one
would also like to improve the linespacing a bit.

<---LaTeX-File--->
\documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{article}

\newlength{\chordlength}
\newcommand{\chord}[2]{\settowidth{\chordlength}{#2}\parbox[b]{\chordlength}{#1\\#2}}
\begin{document}

\section{Verse 1}

\begin{verse}

I wanna m\chord{A}{a}ke you smile\\
Wh\chord{Bm}{e}never you're sad\\
C\chord{C\#m}{a}rry you around\\
When your arthr\chord{D}{i}tis is bad\\
\chord{A}{A}ll I wanna do \chord{E}{i}s\\
Grow \chord{D}{o}ld with y\chord{A}{o}u. \quad \chord{E}{ }

\end{verse}
\end{document}
<---/LatexFile--->

song.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-15 Thread marc

Daniel B. said...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote:
> >> Daniel B. said...
> ...
> >>> Please note another problem with PDF:  The page size and layout
> >>> are fixed.
> >> Not really a problem, more of a feature of the format; the idea being 
> >> that a PDF renders the same regardless of the display platform (at 
> >> least, in theory). In many situations, this is a very good thing.
> 
> It's a good thing only when the exact formatting really matters.
> However, frequently it's a bad thing.

But not if the situation requires precise formatting :-P Reread what I 
was responding to and my comment makes sense.

> Delivering it in HTML allows the browser to break the lines to fit
> within the the user's chosen browser pane width.  That's a heck of
> a lot more flexible.

Yup, but that's a different context to the original comment. By stating 
that the sea is green does not preclude the fact that it is wet.
 
> >>> HTML adapts to the user's browser pane width (well, if the author
> >>> doesn't break HTML's ability to do that).
> >> Again, to be pedantic, it's CSS that controls the layout, hence the 
> >> author simply provides multiple CSS, which is what it's designed to do.
> 
> What do you mean by "the author simply provides multiple CSS"?
> 
> If _you_ want to look at something in a full-screen browser window and
> _I_ want to use a half-screen-width browser window (e.g., to see two
> web pages side by side), how is an author going to provide multiple CSS
> stylesheets to cover both of us?  What about every size in between?

Again, you've shifted the context. Of course it's not necessary in this 
case. However, in an attempt to provide some useful information in this 
post, there's an interesting approach to this issue here:

  http://www.alistapart.com/articles/switchymclayout

> >>> The user can choose
> >>> how much screen width to use for a browser, the browser can
> >>> wrap regular text and tables to fit, and the user doesn't have
> >>> to scroll horizontally to read the bulk of the page.
> >> And the user can also provide their own CSS too, should they wish.
> 
> Right.  But the reader shouldn't have to re-write a page's style sheet
> just to be able to read it conveniently.

And no-one suggested that they should.

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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Kent West

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
>   
>> What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up
>> with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will
>> be necessary.
>
> <---LaTeX-File--->
> \documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{article}
>
> \newlength{\chordlength}
> \newcommand{\chord}[2]{\settowidth{\chordlength}{#2}\parbox[b]{\chordlength}{#1\\#2}}
> \begin{document}
>
> \section{Verse 1}
>
> \begin{verse}
>
> I wanna m\chord{A}{a}ke you smile\\
> Wh\chord{Bm}{e}never you're sad\\
> C\chord{C\#m}{a}rry you around\\
> When your arthr\chord{D}{i}tis is bad\\
> \chord{A}{A}ll I wanna do \chord{E}{i}s\\
> Grow \chord{D}{o}ld with y\chord{A}{o}u. \quad \chord{E}{ }
>
> \end{verse}
> \end{document}
> <---/LatexFile--->
>   

Wow! That looks promising. I'll play with it later today.

Thanks!

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Re: Can't get to a console from gdm screen

2007-02-15 Thread Kent West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a problem on a debian etch machine: When the gdm screen comes, 
> Ctrl-Alt-Fn doesn't take me to any console. I have to log in as user, then 
> it works. Is this some "special" kind of security setting ???
>
> I have this problem since a long, long time and could live with it, but 
> now one of my colleagues has the same problem and asks for advice...
>
>   

According to http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1619:
>
> I've also been suffering from ctrl-alt-fn not working since a major
> upgrade a few months ago, and found this page while searching. I
> believe I've now found the solution. I have installed the xkb-data
> package and removed the xlibs package. xlibs provided a set of
> keyboard configuration files under /etc/X11/xkb, while xkb-data
> provides the same stuff under /usr/share/X11/xkb. But there must be
> some minor difference between the two versions since the xlibs stuff
> doesn't have working ctrl-alt-fn while the xkb-data does.
>


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Re: ATI driver and kernel 2.6.19

2007-02-15 Thread Sridhar M.A.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:37:21PM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
   > Since you are using a self compiled kernel could it be you built the
   > radeon support into it?
   > Look for DRM_RADEON in your kernel config file.
   > 
Here is the relevant setting:

CONFIG_DRM=y
# CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set
# CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set
# CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set

Should I even disable CONFIG_DRM?

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Clamav Warnings

2007-02-15 Thread David Baron

WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED!
WARNING: Current functionality level = 12, recommended = 13

I found no conf file specitying anything but 12 anything but maximum threads.

Is a new upgrade in the repository immiment or need I add some conf file 
entry? Or simply ignore?


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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi

Kent West wrote:

> (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian
> question.)
> 

Not an offtopic question. You are using Debian, so this is relevant IMHO.

> I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written
> for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got
> to wondering if it might be a better product.
> 

In your case, I suggest to use texmacs.

> The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like
> this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html:
> 

I am unable to access this website. But I will give it a try with the song
you provided.


> ADAM SANDLER
> THE WEDDING SINGER VOL.2
> GROW OLD WITH YOU
> Transcribed by BEB 910 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> 
> 
> Verse 1
>  A
> I wanna make you smile
> Bm
> Whenever you're sad
> C#m
> Carry you around
>   D
> When your arthritis is bad
> A  E
> All I wanna do is
>  D A E
> Grow old with you.
> 
> 

See the output attached. The commands I used are

1. select the text with your mouse
2. texmacs -> Text -> Environment -> Verbatim
3. Edit -> Paste from -> Verbatim

You just need to adjust the spaces if necessary


> And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or
> should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already?

I say go with texmacs. It's learning curve is not as steep as latex. You can
pretty much do everything in texmacs + it is a GUI environment.

raju

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<\body>
  <\verbatim>
Verse 1

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A

I wanna make you smile

Bm

Whenever you're sad

C#m

Carry you around

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D

When your arthritis is bad

A \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E

All I wanna do is

\ \ \ \ \ D \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A \ \ \ \ E

Grow old with you.

\;

\;

Verse 2

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A

I'll get you medicine

Bm

When your tummy aches

C#m

Build you a fire

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D

When the furnace breaks

A \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E

It could be so nice

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A \ \ \ A7

Growing old with you.

\;
  


<\initial>
  <\collection>

Re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

2007-02-15 Thread Grok Mogger


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:


So, if you leave your sources.list with "testing" then after the
release, you will continue to see package upgrades as things move from
unstable to testing.  If you use "etch" then when Etch becomes stable,
you will only see security updates.

Regards,

-Roberto



Wait, so stable only gets security updates?  What if there's a 
bug in a package, will it get a fix?  And I guess just to finish 
off my questionnaire, do packages in stable ever get upgrades 
for additional functionality?


If stable only gets security updates, then I find it rather 
funny that I know someone running a Debian system with a custom 
perl script designed to get only security updates via apt-get. 
Was this script a total waste of his time?


Thanks,
- GM


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Re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:15:25AM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote:
> 
> Wait, so stable only gets security updates?  What if there's a 
> bug in a package, will it get a fix?  And I guess just to finish 
> off my questionnaire, do packages in stable ever get upgrades 
> for additional functionality?
> 
Stable is never upgraded for additional functionality.

Only incredibly sever bugs are fixed in stable.  It requires lots of
coordination and convincing the stable release manager that it is
necessary.  The philosophy of Debian's stable release policy is that the
behavior of a stable release should never change.  That is why security
updates are always done by backporting the required fix into the stable
version of the package instead of just upgrading to a new upstream.

> If stable only gets security updates, then I find it rather 
> funny that I know someone running a Debian system with a custom 
> perl script designed to get only security updates via apt-get. 
> Was this script a total waste of his time?
> 
Not sure.  Depends what it does.

Regards,

-Roberto
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about dns

2007-02-15 Thread Mesut Şahin


Hello  Friends

in my server 9.3.4 version of bind dns and one domain is working perfectly
for exampe ns1.domain1.com and I will buy new domain like www.domain2.com.
how do I add this domain to my dns server thank you

Re: latex (tetex) refuses to produce dvi

2007-02-15 Thread Micha Feigin

Sorry, this was supposed to be sent to the list 

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:58:49 -0600
"Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070214 20:43]:
> > I tried to produce dvi output from a tex file I have and latex just
> > refuses to do it. I tried:
> > latex -output-format=dvi .tex
> > And it's as if the option is not there, I just get a pdf file again.
> > How do I force latex to produce a dvi file?
> > This is with debian unstable and the tetex packages, not texlive
> 
> By default, the command 
> 
> $ latex filename.tex
> 
> produces a dvi file, in both TeTeX and TeXLive.  I an unaware of the
> "output-format" option; why are you using it?
> 

I'm using the output-format option because the current installation of tetex
on my debian unstable system will only produce pdf and completely refuses to
produce dvi out.

I was used that
$ latex filename.tex 
but for some strange reason that doesn't happen here. I guess that there is
some switch somewhere that is ruining things but I have no idea where to look
for it.

> RLH
> 

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DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade

2007-02-15 Thread john gennard


About a week ago I obtained the latest Etch (Kde version)
from Debian.org and installed it without any problems.

Yesterday I updated and upgraded the installation - took
many hours on a dialup connection (60 Mb, 58 packages,
mainly Kde - no packages were deleted). There were no
problems reported with the upgrading.

At the next boot, the Kde Desktop starts to come up and
then stops with the following error message:-


There was an error setting up inter-process communications
for KDE. The message returned by the system was:-

"Could not read network connection list
/home/john/.DCOPserverleary_clara.co.uk__0.
Please check that the dcopserver program is running."


I don't understand DCOP, but have ascertained there is no
.DCOPsever file in /home/john as there is on two other boxes
running Etch (these need upgrading, but I'm hesitant to do
so as I feel this problem can be due only to the upgrade).

How is the file created and how do I find out if the DCOPserver
is running?

Assistance will be appreciated.

John.



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Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:10:41 +0100
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my
> > brother to try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was
> > pretty disappointed and gave up. Now I want to give it another try
> > with etch as I am more experienced and I know Debian much better
> > anyway.
> 
> Such freezing at KDE start may be a typical hardware problem. For

Or incomplete/buggy/broken drivers

> example, my brother has a really broken sound chip on his laptop and
> there was similar freezing when the start sound was to be played.
> 
> In such cases, changing the distro won't help you much.

A newer version might bring new drivers/workarounds. It's been more
than a year (and he had a SATA system).

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: latex (tetex) refuses to produce dvi

2007-02-15 Thread michael

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 17:59 +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> Sorry, this was supposed to be sent to the list 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:58:49 -0600
> "Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > * Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070214 20:43]:
> > > I tried to produce dvi output from a tex file I have and latex just
> > > refuses to do it. I tried:
> > > latex -output-format=dvi .tex
> > > And it's as if the option is not there, I just get a pdf file again.
> > > How do I force latex to produce a dvi file?
> > > This is with debian unstable and the tetex packages, not texlive
> > 
> > By default, the command 
> > 
> > $ latex filename.tex
> > 
> > produces a dvi file, in both TeTeX and TeXLive.  I an unaware of the
> > "output-format" option; why are you using it?
> > 
> 
> I'm using the output-format option because the current installation of tetex
> on my debian unstable system will only produce pdf and completely refuses to
> produce dvi out.
> 
> I was used that
> $ latex filename.tex 
> but for some strange reason that doesn't happen here. I guess that there is
> some switch somewhere that is ruining things but I have no idea where to look
> for it.
> 
> 
> > RLH
> > 
> 
> 

ah yes, I recall this - see "flavours of LaTeX" subject line from
Oct/Nov'06... 

don't think I solved it... just use the 'old' DVI version


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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

2007-02-15 Thread Dave Sherohman

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:58:19PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > OK, one more time:  Delete by default does not have to mean delete
> > *immediately* by default.  Look at the underlined text above.  I already
> > explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and that delete-
> > on-folder-change or delete-on-exit are probably better,
> 
> Uh, not in my mind.  Maybe it stems from my years in the ISP business but
> generally users only want things deleted when they say they want it deleted.
> That doesn't mean "When they press the delete key" or even "After pressing the
> delete key and changing folders" or "after pressing the delete key and exiting
> the program."  After they say, in its most conservative setting, is after they
> have configured the client to delete the way they want.

Going back two of my posts on this subthread, my statement calling the
decision to never permanently delete anything without an explicit request
from the user "questionable at best" started with "If the tool does not
provide a means to undelete messages..."  I was responding to someone who
said that IceDove does not provide any way to access deleted messages,
in which case they would just be wasting disk space and providing no
security blanket for the user.  Freddy Freeloader has since chimed in
and stated that IceDove does provide access to deleted messages, via
a Trash folder, so the basis of my earlier statement was incorrect.
Since IceDove allows undeletion, it is reasonable for it to not clean
out all marked-for-deletion messages at the earliest opportunity.

> Windows and OSX, by default, require the user to "empty the trash"...

> This is no different.

My original entry into this thread was a complaint about the terminology,
not the function.  The average user understands that "empty the trash"
means "get rid of things I threw out."  He is less likely to understand
that "compact disk" has that meaning.[1]  That is, IMO, a very significant
difference.

(Your earlier post about "compact" having been used in databases since
forever is well taken, but the average user is not a DBA and cannot be
expected to be familiar with database terminology.)

> You have been told, repeatedly, where the knob is.  Go twiddle it on your 
> own!

I claim only that the knob is mislabeled.

Given Freddy's correction on the availability of undeletion, I don't
particularly care what the default setting is.

> Here's a bit of advice for you on software, a bit I give everyone about
> it.  Your first step on any new piece of software, esp. applications and games
> (if you play them) is to see what you can configure and where.

Excellent advice, indeed.

[1]  Unless the "trash can" is changed to a "trash compactor", I suppose,
but I've seen nothing in this thread to indicate that IceDove has made
that metaphoric change.  Going to "trash compactor/compact disk" would
also carry the risk of users initially interpreting "compact disk" to
mean "delete everything on the disk", much as happened with early Macs,
where you dragged a floppy disk to the trash can to eject it.

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Weird Screen-Saver/kscreensaver problem

2007-02-15 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer

Hi


Distro: SID (Installed years ago, regularly updated)
Desktop: KDE

When i leave my home and/or work computer i lock the screen with
CTRL+ALT+L. I use the "lines" screen-saver set up via kcontrol.

The problem ist: After i log in to my computer again and don't do
anything for 70 seconds i get a black/white/grey patterned background
with a randomly size mostly big "X"-letter (that just looks like the
X.Org X).

The happens exactly after 70 seconds @home and after a much longer time
of at least 5-10 minutes @work. (I haven't clocked that)

To make things even more strange. When i go into kcontrol and just
Re-Apply the screensaver (Klicking on the entry, pressing cursor down
then cursor up and Apply) the effect doesn't happen again until after i
locked the screen again.

That effect is independent of the chosen screensaver.
I have this effect for about a year now.
The effect is also independent of graphic-card/driver.
@home i have a Nvidia Geforce 7600GT with propertiary driver.
@work i have a ATI x800 with the radeon driver
But computers are dual-headed.

Any ideas what might be my problem?




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Re: flash plugin

2007-02-15 Thread Niels Rasmussen

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Bob McGowan wrote:
>> I've got iceweasel installed and the installed files list shows a
>> directory called 'plugins', located here:
>>
>> /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
>>
>> This is where I'd look to put the Flash files, if I wanted them to be
>> globally active (for all possible users of the system).  But, you can
>> have a private plugin directory, for your account.  Put the files in
>> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins, which does *not* exist by default, so you need
>> to create it.
>>
>> The system plugin directory will always exist.  Both Iceweasel and
>> Firefox have default plugins that are part of the base package and are
>> installed there.
>>
>> I just downloaded a new plugin, for testing purposes, and put the .so
>> file in my .mozilla/plugins directory, and it loaded and ran
>> perfectly.  In this case, the plugin loaded and worked without a
>> restart of the browser, but you may find it's necessary to exit and
>> restart the browser before some plugins work.
>>
>> Bob
>>
> 
> I downloaded the new plugin from the Adobe page + created
> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins.
> Untarred the tarball as user and ran ./flashplayer-installer.
> 
> It told me:
> NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
>   components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
> 
> which I did. Then about:plugins in iceweasel shows:
> 
> ...
> Shockwave Flash
> 
> File name: libflashplayer.so
> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31
> 
> Shockwave Flash
> 
> File name: libflashplayer.so
> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63
> ...
> 
> which is correct because the global installation still has 7.0 and my
> private installation has 9.0.

Well, still no can do!

But found the answer anyway:

ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
   Adobe Flash Player installer.

:-(


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Re: Woody on 486 problem

2007-02-15 Thread Bob McGowan


Mirko Scurk wrote:

Hi!

I'm trying to install woody on Digital Venturis 466 486DX66, 540MB HDD,
20MB RAM, CD-ROM, S3 Turbo VGA 1MB and EtherWorks III ISA network adapter.

The first stage of install went fine but after installing lilo and
rebooting I never got prompt. There are many errors:

Read-only file system
nothing in /proc - not mounted?
lot of
/lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. cannot create  Read-only file system
/lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. init_module: No such device

and finally

INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes

When I log to second virtual terminal I get message:
mesg: /dev/tty2: Read-only file system

Any sugestions, please?



I have installed a recent Debian (it's been a while, not sure if I used 
etch or not, maybe sarge, but definitely not woody), on an ALR 486 VEISA 
system and it ran fine.  The biggest HW difference besides manufacturer 
and EISA bus is the memory.  Mine has 48MB.


I'd suggest you see if you can increase the memory on your system.

Meanwhile, I'd also suggest doing a reinstall, if possible, wiping the 
disk by not preserving current partitioning.


I'm suggesting that you select the manual partitioning method (hoping 
that you have enough knowledge to deal with it ;-) because you may need 
to increase the size of the swap partition.  I'm not sure if memory is 
the issue here (init respawning errors could be due to too little 
memory, but also could be due to the read-only filesystem, to problems 
with the tty interface to the VGA card, files not being found because of 
an install error, etc.) but increasing the swap may at least get you up 
and running.  I have no idea what would work in this case.  Your hard 
disk is small enough that too large a swap would make installation a 
problem.  Perhaps something in the range from 64MB to 100MB would be a 
good choice?


The second thing I'd suggest is to install the minimal system.  It's 
been long enough since I touched woody that I'm not sure if things 
looked the same then or not, but in sarge/etch, there's a 'task select' 
section during install that lets you choose some basic setups.  By 
default, this selects the base system *and* desktop environment 
(Gnome/KDE/...).  *Uncheck* the GUI desktop install (you can always add 
it back later).  Just try to get a basic system installed and working.


Good luck ;)

Bob


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Smells like Debian spirit

2007-02-15 Thread ciol


Hello, I'm a bit confused about debian.
I believe that its main characteristics are: quality, freefom *and* 100% 
voluntary. So I wonder with Dunc Tank and the fact that Joey Schulze 
wants to be paid, if debian will not loose its identity. Isn't it 
possible that release managers give their money to debian and Joey 
forgets his idea and that everybody lives in peace ? Or debian will just 
be a distro for hurried administrators who do not want to pay too much ?


please help me.


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Re: flash plugin

2007-02-15 Thread Alan Ianson

On Thu February 15 2007 09:12, Niels Rasmussen wrote:

> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
>Adobe Flash Player installer.

There is no flash player for 64 bit anything, at least not yet. I read that 
the folks at macromedia/adobe were working on it but nothing yet. It's been a 
long time coming, must be something perplexing about getting 64 bit support 
into the flash player.

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Re: Smells like Debian spirit

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On 02/15/07 11:12, ciol wrote:
> Hello, I'm a bit confused about debian.
> I believe that its main characteristics are: quality, freefom *and* 100%
> voluntary. So I wonder with Dunc Tank and the fact that Joey Schulze
> wants to be paid, if debian will not loose its identity. Isn't it
> possible that release managers give their money to debian and Joey
> forgets his idea and that everybody lives in peace ? Or debian will just
> be a distro for hurried administrators who do not want to pay too much ?
> 
> please help me.

Donations to Dunc Tank are voluntary.

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Re: Smells like Debian spirit

2007-02-15 Thread Alan Ianson

On Thu February 15 2007 09:12, ciol wrote:
> Hello, I'm a bit confused about debian.
> I believe that its main characteristics are: quality, freefom *and* 100%
> voluntary. So I wonder with Dunc Tank and the fact that Joey Schulze
> wants to be paid, if debian will not loose its identity. Isn't it
> possible that release managers give their money to debian and Joey
> forgets his idea and that everybody lives in peace ? Or debian will just
> be a distro for hurried administrators who do not want to pay too much ?
>
> please help me.

I have no inside information to give, just my thoughts. Debian has always been 
(and I believe will always be) a volunteer organization, at least as far as 
the debian devolopers and maintainers go.

If I'm not mistaken (and I might be) dunc paid two release managers for a 
month each in an attempt to get etch ready for release in December. That 
didn't happen, but oh well.. etch is in great shape and will be released 
soon, I'm running it now.

I thought Joey Schulze didn't want anything to do with dunc? That's just an 
impression though, I have/will never discuss it with him.

I don't get involved with the whole dunc thing at all. I am just a user of 
debian so I'm not going to get paid for that.. :) I lean toward wishing it 
would go away because of the fairness issues around it. It's something the 
debian developers need to deal with.

$0.02.. :)

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Installing Etch onto a laptop w/out CD device

2007-02-15 Thread andy


Good day

I have an old-ish laptop with a dodgy CD-device, onto which I want to 
install Etch. I am using Etch on my desktop and the laptop is connected 
to the same LAN that my desktop is on. Is there anyway that I can 
exploit this arrangement to enable me to install onto the laptop?


Thanks for any guidance

/A


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Re: Installing Etch onto a laptop w/out CD device

2007-02-15 Thread Alan Ianson

On Thu February 15 2007 09:38, andy wrote:
> Good day
>
> I have an old-ish laptop with a dodgy CD-device, onto which I want to
> install Etch. I am using Etch on my desktop and the laptop is connected
> to the same LAN that my desktop is on. Is there anyway that I can
> exploit this arrangement to enable me to install onto the laptop?

I'm sure there is but I haven't done that myself so I'm not sure of the 
details. I have an older box that I recently installed etch on. Much like you 
I had a dodgy CD drive (since replaced) that just wouldn't boot. I got the 
install floppy images (boot, root and two network card driver disks) and 
installed with that. If that laptop has a floppy drive you could do it that 
way.

It was just like old times.. :)

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Re: Installing Etch onto a laptop w/out CD device

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 05:38:28PM +, andy wrote:
> Good day
> 
> I have an old-ish laptop with a dodgy CD-device, onto which I want to 
> install Etch. I am using Etch on my desktop and the laptop is connected 
> to the same LAN that my desktop is on. Is there anyway that I can 
> exploit this arrangement to enable me to install onto the laptop?
> 

there are several methods:

you could use a boot floppy to help you boot from the cd. You could
use a floppy image to install from, but I'm not sure if that's really
still supported or not. You could set up a dhcp/bootp server on your
other machine (if the laptop will boot over the network). You could
pull the hard-drive from the laptop and using a relatively inexpensive
adaptor, install to it from your other machine. 

check the installation manual for more methods. 

A

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Re: Installing Etch onto a laptop w/out CD device

2007-02-15 Thread Albert Dengg


andy wrote:

Good day

I have an old-ish laptop with a dodgy CD-device, onto which I want to 
install Etch. I am using Etch on my desktop and the laptop is connected 
to the same LAN that my desktop is on. Is there anyway that I can 
exploit this arrangement to enable me to install onto the laptop?

if your laptop supports it, try a network install with tftp boot
see also http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s06
(i have never tried bootp, only pxe since my machines did support it...)

yours
albert


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about the size of koffice-doc binary deb

2007-02-15 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe


Hi,

I recently noted that koffice-doc's deb is close to 100MB large
(>600MB when unpacked), yet the source package deb, koffice, is about
60MB large, but builds this binary package and a number of others,
including Krita, Kword. Kchart, ...

How does this happen?


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Re: Now working... gdm??? Re: Couldn't load XKB keymap... Can't switch to terminal mode

2007-02-15 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 22:18:51 -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote:

[...]

> I started up gdm to give myself choices on sessions (to test fully
> whether this was a problem across the board with WM's) and found things
> working properly across the board.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!
> 
> Go figure.  Using gdm enables the keys.  Without gdm, no go.  Several
> oddities:
> 
> I notice as I write this note is that the keyboard is no longer
> inputting as UTF-8 encoding (i.e. I don't have to hit a space to have a
> quote mark print on its own instead of generating an umlaut, etc).
> 
> Also, trying to start a gnome session failed--iceWM came up instead of
> Metacity, and the gnome session part froze.  
> 
> Lastly, VT 7 is not being used by gdm--8 is being used.  
> 
> But now I can switch VT's as desired as long as gdm is running.
> 
> So am I correct in assuming that gdm has somehow caused this problem?  I
> was using it for a while but decided to stop it, opting for a leaner
> approach to things.  I don't recall when that was relative to noticing
> the switching terminal problem.

So it sort of works at the moment. I do not know the interactions
between gdm, the window managers and Xorg well enough to guess whose
"fault" this behavior is. 

However, a recent post of Kent West has reminded me of something that I
had forgotten. It might help to remove the xlibs package; see here:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/02/msg02398.html

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Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20

2007-02-15 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:13:16 +, john gennard wrote:

[...]

> This morning, I reconfigured X using the 'vesa' driver and you
> were perfectly right in your supposition. It now boots directly into 
> Gnome (some tweaking will be necessary - the display is not very good
> due no doubt to some of the choices I made). I shall revert to Kde
> later (at present, I have to deal with another problem - the major
> upgrade to Etch on my main box has broken Kde).

There is one more quick thing that you can try: Go to 

http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/

and copy/paste your "lspci -n" output into the form. You will get a list
of known drivers for your hardware. Maybe you have to choose a different
driver to get best performance. However, it possible that your card is
too new and that you have to wait for the next version of Xorg to have
it fully supported.

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RE: about dns

2007-02-15 Thread Tony Heal

I am not sure about v9.x but in v8.x you add the new domain to named.conf

  _  

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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: about dns

Hello  Friends

 in my server 9.3.4 version of bind dns and one domain is working perfectly for 
exampe ns1.domain1.com and I will buy
new domain like www.domain2.com   . how do I add this 
domain to my dns server thank you

Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-15 Thread Siju George


Hi,

Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB?
I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i
should be careful in any area.
Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-)

Thankyou so much

kind regards

Siju


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-15 Thread Sergio Cuéllar Valdés


2007/2/15, Siju George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi,

Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB?
I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i
should be careful in any area.
Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-)



Hi,

maybe you should read about LVM [1]. It is not about file systems, but
it can help you :)

[1]  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/


Best regards,
Sergio Cuellar

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Re: Smells like Debian spirit

ciol wrote:
> Hello, I'm a bit confused about debian.
> I believe that its main characteristics are: quality, freefom *and* 100%
> voluntary. So I wonder with Dunc Tank and the fact that Joey Schulze
> wants to be paid, if debian will not loose its identity. Isn't it
> possible that release managers give their money to debian and Joey
> forgets his idea and that everybody lives in peace ? Or debian will just
> be a distro for hurried administrators who do not want to pay too much ?

I don't know much about Dunc Tank and so on. I like to use free
software. I like debian as a free OS and as an excellent collection of
free software. I like that practically all the software I use is free --
so no-one could take that away from me.

But the fact that two developers will be paid for one month each (IIRC
they worked for debian on money for a month each at the end of last
year, but they will be paid _after_ etch hits stable) *does not* turn
debian into non-free software or takes anything from debian being a
volunteer project.

Some companies pay debian developers for working on debian. Some
companies pay developers for developing other free software that is part
of debian. This has always happened. And all this *does not* mean that
debian looses its identity (otherwise debian and free software would
have already lost their identities before debian was founded).

The important distinction is that they are not payed by debian. It's an
important concept that the debian project is not just a non-profit
organization, but also a 'non-money' organization that does not itself
pay others.

On the other hand, debian project would loose its identity, if debian
would care about by whom its developers are being payed. I am sure that
there are some that get payed from companies or government organisations
and that is fine. (No idea how many, though.)

But, to be honest: we can never be sure that there is no one who would
pay a developer to achieve malicious goals (say a secret service or
whoever). We would not know about the pay or about the goals and would
not discuss it here or elsewhere. We just hope that there are enough
competent eyes around to notice any wrongdoing.

If it was a concern for debian that all its developers work without pay,
how would we go about to make sure that no one is payed behind our back?

Concerning dunc tank: this money is payed in a transparent way and for a
good cause. Absolutely no problems for me.

This whole discussion is somewhat exaggerated <- my .02

> please help me.

A pleasure. How?

Johannes

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

2007-02-15 Thread Mirko Scurk


Mirko Scurk wrote:
>
> Bob McGowan wrote:
>> Mirko Scurk wrote:
>>
>> I have installed a recent Debian (it's been a while, not sure if I used
>> etch or not, maybe sarge, but definitely not woody), on an ALR 486 VEISA
>> system and it ran fine.  The biggest HW difference besides manufacturer
>> and EISA bus is the memory.  Mine has 48MB.
>>
>> I'd suggest you see if you can increase the memory on your system.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I'd also suggest doing a reinstall, if possible, wiping the
>> disk by not preserving current partitioning.
>>
>> I'm suggesting that you select the manual partitioning method (hoping
>> that you have enough knowledge to deal with it ;-) because you may need
>> to increase the size of the swap partition.  I'm not sure if memory is
>> the issue here (init respawning errors could be due to too little
>> memory, but also could be due to the read-only filesystem, to problems
>> with the tty interface to the VGA card, files not being found because of
>> an install error, etc.) but increasing the swap may at least get you up
>> and running.  I have no idea what would work in this case.  Your hard
>> disk is small enough that too large a swap would make installation a
>> problem.  Perhaps something in the range from 64MB to 100MB would be a
>> good choice?
>>
>> The second thing I'd suggest is to install the minimal system.  It's
>> been long enough since I touched woody that I'm not sure if things
>> looked the same then or not, but in sarge/etch, there's a 'task select'
>> section during install that lets you choose some basic setups.  By
>> default, this selects the base system *and* desktop environment
>> (Gnome/KDE/...).  *Uncheck* the GUI desktop install (you can always add
>> it back later).  Just try to get a basic system installed and working.
>>
>> Good luck ;)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> Increasing memory is not an option right now.
> I've tried all from above with no luck.
> I'm almost sure that problem is with ISA network card. I installed slack
> again and everything was OK until I tried to load ewrk3 (module with right
> options io=0x320 and irq=5). After that proc wasn't mounting any more and
> root was mounted RO.
> When I pass parameters to lilo via boot prompt everything is working OK
> again. I tried to pass parameters via lilo.conf append but never got it to
> work. Somewhere I found that append isn't working for modules??
>
>
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>


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fglrx, kernel 2.6.20, dri and composite problem

2007-02-15 Thread Ivan Glushkov

Hi all,

I was running happily Debian Unstable for 3 years, when finally my hard
drive died, and I had to install Debian from scratch. I want to install
beryl

http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian

Very nice outlook which obviously requires 3D acceleration and (as
outlined on the page above) the
option:

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

I tried kernels 2.6.19 and 2.6.20 with the latest ati drivers (8.33.6-1)
and the ones included in Debian (2.28.8). In a short what I did is:

# ln -sf bash /bin/sh
# bash ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run  --buildpkg
Debian/unstable
# dpkg -i *.deb
# cd /usr/src
# tar -jxvf fglrx.tar.bz2
# cd /usr/src/modules/fglrx/
# module-assistant prepare
# module-assistant a-i fglrx
restarting x...

===> kernel 2.6.20 (with both driver versions), the module cannot
compile at all, complaining about

.
/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:198: error: expected declaration
specifiers or \u2018...\u2019 before \u2018mlock\u2019
/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:198: error: expected declaration
specifiers or \u2018...\u2019 before \u2018addr\u2019 ...
..

===> kernel 2.6.19 (with both driver versions), 3D acceleration works if

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Disable"
EndSection

But if I enable it I get:

% fglrxinfo
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)

% glxgears
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".


Any idea how to solve this? Nothing useful in google..

Cheers,
Ivan

P.S. Attached are /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
#   FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
#   FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
#Load"GLcore"
Load"i2c"
Load"bitmap"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"freetype"
#Load"GLcore"
Load"glx"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"int10"
Load"vbe"
Load"GLcore"
SubSection "extmod"
  Option "omit xfree86-dga"
EndSubSection 
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Synaptics Touchpad"
Driver  "synaptics"
Option  "SendCoreEvents""true"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "auto-dev"
Option  "HorizScrollDelta"  "0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]"
Driver  "fglrx"
#   BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"

#uncomment if the desired resolution is not supported
#Option "NoDDC" 

# === Video Overlay for

Sarge on AMD64 (was Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB)

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> Hi,
> 
> Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above
> 600GB?
> I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.

Why?  Sarge on that is definitely not supported.  You should
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Re: Smells like Debian spirit

2007-02-15 Thread ciol

You seem right and I would really like to trust you, but why there are 
some developers demotivated ? Why there is this weird atmosphere ?


> This whole discussion is somewhat exaggerated

Yes I know I'm stupid, but I _needed_ to say that.


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 
> 600GB?
> I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
> Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i
> should be careful in any area.
> Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-)
> 
The issue is not so much the size of the partition, but rather what you
intend to do with it.  For mostly large files, XFS is the best.  For
lots of small files (think a filesystem holding Maildirs for thousands
of users), I am told ReiserFS is best.  For general purpose, ext3 is
still the best.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Sarge on AMD64 (was Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB)

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 02:04:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/15/07 12:51, Siju George wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above
> > 600GB?
> > I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
> 
> Why?  Sarge on that is definitely not supported.  You should
> definitely go with Etch.
> 
Why would Sarge not be supported on that?

Regards,

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Re: size related questions for file system types (was Re: Sarge on AMD64 (was Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB))

2007-02-15 Thread Bob McGowan


Ron Johnson wrote:

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Hi,

Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above
600GB?
I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.


Why?  Sarge on that is definitely not supported.  You should
definitely go with Etch.

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This is true, but the OP's question goes unanswered.

I'd like to know, also:  Are there any device size limits or issues for 
 the various filesystem types available?


And a corollary:  are there reliability/speed/seek/read/write 
differences that would have an impact on performance as the size increases?


I think these are valid questions, regardless of the Linux version being 
discussed.


Bob


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Re: Sarge on AMD64 (was Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB)

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 02:04:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/15/07 12:51, Siju George wrote:
>>> I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
>> Why?  Sarge on that is definitely not supported.  You should
>> definitely go with Etch.
>>
> Why would Sarge not be supported on that?

Because sarge was not released for amd64 [1]. There is only an
unoffical, unsupported version.

Johannes

[1] http://www.de.debian.org/releases/stable/


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Re: Sarge on AMD64 (was Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB)

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On 02/15/07 14:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 02:04:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/15/07 12:51, Siju George wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above
>>> 600GB?
>>> I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
>> Why?  Sarge on that is definitely not supported.  You should
>> definitely go with Etch.
>>
> Why would Sarge not be supported on that?

Because the AMD64 tree did not get merged into the official system
until after Sarge was released.

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/

The following computer architectures are supported in this release:

* Alpha
* ARM
* HP PA-RISC
* Intel x86
* Intel IA-64
* Motorola 680x0
* MIPS
* MIPS (DEC)
* PowerPC
* IBM S/390
* SPARC

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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava

Hi,
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a
> Debian question.)

> I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs
> written for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list
> lately, I got to wondering if it might be a better product.

> The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web,
> like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html:

Package: musixtex
Description: Typeset music scores with TeX
 This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's
 Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music
 score files.
 .
 MusiXTeX is a set of versatile and power TeX macros to typeset polyphonic,
 orchestral or choral music.  It allows very fine control and produces
 professional printed music scores.
 .
 Due to the important amount of information to be provided to the
 typesetting process, coding MusiXTeX might appear to be awfully
 complicated, especially for beginners.  Therefore, it is recommended
 to use MusiXTeX with some pre-processors, such as PMX and M-Tx,
 available as Debian packages.


Package: musixlyr
Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics
 musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX
 (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is
 to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling:
 .
  * Typesetting lyrics with the "native" musixtex commands \zcharnote,
\zsong etc. tends to be quite inefficient, particularly if the lyrics
have to be changed or corrected.  The idea underlying musixlyr is to
separate lyrics coding from music coding and let TeX weave them
together with as little manual interference as possible.  As a result
you can enter and edit lyrics (nearly) as easily as normal text.
 .
  * musixtex has no built-in mechanism for centering hyphens between
syllables and for handling hyphenation at long melismas.  This is
implemented in musixlyr following the example of engraved music.
 .
  Author: Rainer Dunker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Primary-site: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/indexmt6.html

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Re: DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade

2007-02-15 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 16:03:37 +, john gennard wrote:
> About a week ago I obtained the latest Etch (Kde version)
> from Debian.org and installed it without any problems.
> 
> Yesterday I updated and upgraded the installation - took
> many hours on a dialup connection (60 Mb, 58 packages,
> mainly Kde - no packages were deleted). There were no
> problems reported with the upgrading.
> 
> At the next boot, the Kde Desktop starts to come up and
> then stops with the following error message:-
> 
> 
> There was an error setting up inter-process communications
> for KDE. The message returned by the system was:-
> 
> "Could not read network connection list
> /home/john/.DCOPserverleary_clara.co.uk__0.
> Please check that the dcopserver program is running."
> 
> 
> I don't understand DCOP, but have ascertained there is no
> .DCOPsever file in /home/john as there is on two other boxes
> running Etch (these need upgrading, but I'm hesitant to do
> so as I feel this problem can be due only to the upgrade).
> 
> How is the file created and how do I find out if the DCOPserver
> is running?

The DCOP server should be started directly by kdeinit; DCOP is the
communication protocol of the various KDE components and programs (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dcop). If KDE is running you should see
something like this:

$ ps -ef | grep [d]cop
florian  18725 1  0 19:10 ?00:00:00 dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid

(This command does not help you at the moment since your KDE does not
 start up at all if I understand you correctly.)

The DCOP server itself is responsible for creating the file that is
mentioned in your error message (as far as I know).

Something fundamental seems to be wrong with your KDE. With Etch being
frozen I would not expect that a dist-upgrade can make a difference, but
I would try it nevertheless. You might simply have an inconsistent
combination of KDE packages right now, with some old packages still
hanging around. (Upgrading at the wrong moment could also cause a
situation like this; in such a case another upgrade at a later time
might be enough to fix everything.)

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Re: fglrx, kernel 2.6.20, dri and composite problem

2007-02-15 Thread Andre Massing


Hi,

Ivan Glushkov schrieb:
[..]

===> kernel 2.6.19 (with both driver versions), 3D acceleration works if

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Disable"
EndSection

But if I enable it I get:

% fglrxinfo
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)


Sorry, IIRC there is no way to use fglrx with Composite enabeld since ATI does 
not support the Composite extension, not even in their latest driver. One side 
effect of enabling Composite is a non functional DRI. It's a pity, but that's 
 the way it used to be. :-( But I read that ATI developers intend  to support 
it somewhere in the future ...maybe version 9.x of the fglrx driver. But no 
idea how long this may take. If you insist to use these nice 3d desktop 
effects with an ATI proprietary driver you should use the Xgl server instead 
of the usual Xorg server.


HTH,
Andre


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Re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:15:25AM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote:
> 
> If stable only gets security updates, then I find it rather 
> funny that I know someone running a Debian system with a custom 
> perl script designed to get only security updates via apt-get. 
> Was this script a total waste of his time?

well, considering cron-apt already exists, then yes, it was probably a
waste of his time... :)

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On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > 
> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.

does that mean I have a problem?

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Re: Release of Stable Etch

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:14:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > installation reports:
> > 
> > reportbug installation
> > 
> > upgrade reports:
> > 
> > reportbug upgrade-reports
> 
> Please don't file bug reports on "installation", "install", "installer",
> or other names that people like to make up. Every single one has to be
> tracked down and manually reassinged to the right place, and is much
> less likely to be seen by the right people.
> 
> The correct package name is "installation-reports" (note the symmetry
> with "upgrade-reports").

oops. thanks joey.

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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

2007-02-15 Thread charlie derr


Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.


does that mean I have a problem?

A



For whatever it's worth, I'm writing this message using icedove, and there are currently 96179 messages in my inbox.  Sorting by 
thread takes 60 seconds or so, but everything else is pretty quick (i have a high-bandwidth connection to the IMAP mailserver). 
In the past, I've occasionally been up over 200,000 messages in a single folder without any problem (other than increased slowness 
when doing things like sorting and/or searching).


~c


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backup/restore

2007-02-15 Thread Casey T. Deccio

I'm looking for a solution to temporarily backup then restore a Debian
install--preserving the filesystem contents and attributes.  The caveat
is that the capacity of the drive I'll be restoring to is smaller (all
other hardare is unchanged).  I wasn't sure if there was a way to do
this with dd because of the smaller drive on the restore.  Initially, I
used 'rsync -avH --delete --no-numeric-ids src server:dst' to send
everything to another server and back.  The number of files (including
links, etc.) seemed to check out, but disk usage (using 'du -cs /') was
different before and after (block size on the filesystem was the same as
before).  Plus I was not sure if extended attributes were transfered
with the files.

Anyone know if the extended attributes are transferred with rsync or why
the disk usage is not the same?  Any suggestions on a better way to do
this?  I'd like to avoid re-installing and reconfiguring again.

Regards,
Casey



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Re: monodevelop in Etch - Success!

2007-02-15 Thread Liam O'Toole

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:53:21 +0100
csanyipal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can add only a note to this guide: the monodevelop depend of the 
> metacity package too:
> 
> # LANG=C dpkg -i monodevelop_0.12+dfsg-1_all.deb
> (Reading database ... 156253 files and directories currently 
> installed.)
> Preparing to replace monodevelop 0.12+dfsg-1 (using 
> monodevelop_0.12+dfsg-1_all.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement monodevelop ...
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of monodevelop:
>  monodevelop depends on metacity; however:
>   Package metacity is not installed.
> dpkg: error processing monodevelop (--install):
>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  monodevelop
> 
> 
> After I installed the metacity, I can install the monodevelop. :)

An IDE depends on a window manager? Strange. 

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Re: backup/restore

2007-02-15 Thread John Schmidt

On Thursday 15 February 2007 14:28, Casey T. Deccio wrote:
> I'm looking for a solution to temporarily backup then restore a Debian
> install--preserving the filesystem contents and attributes.  The caveat
> is that the capacity of the drive I'll be restoring to is smaller (all
> other hardare is unchanged).  I wasn't sure if there was a way to do
> this with dd because of the smaller drive on the restore.  Initially, I
> used 'rsync -avH --delete --no-numeric-ids src server:dst' to send
> everything to another server and back.  The number of files (including
> links, etc.) seemed to check out, but disk usage (using 'du -cs /') was
> different before and after (block size on the filesystem was the same as
> before).  Plus I was not sure if extended attributes were transfered
> with the files.

You might want to consider mondo or partimage for this task.

John


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re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

2007-02-15 Thread Nick Demou


2007/2/14, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:17:56PM -0500, Michael S. Peek wrote:

[...]
I personally think that if you want the latest greatest
stuff one should run sid instead of testing. If something breaks in
sid, it tends to fix itself pretty quickly. sometimes within just a
day or so.

[...]Further down the
release cycle, testing gets naturally more and more stable and easier
and easier to administer and less likely to break as the new versions
get massaged into their final release condition.



I wonder if there is an easy way to undo an apt-get upgrade that will
break my system. If there is then sid seems like an ideal solution for
my desktop PC. I don't mind if I waste a little time or a little disk
space.


PS: I'm considering to migrate from ubuntu to debian and I am
experimenting with it  for some weeks now. After overcoming the basic
problems (some obscure HW that wasn't supported out of the box) the
only thing buzzing me is the stability -vs- new-features choice. In my
servers I always go for stable but my desktop I want it more
up-to-date without risking more than it is necessary.


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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

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On 02/15/07 15:00, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
>> or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.
> 
> does that mean I have a problem?

You have a response-time aggravation if you want to delete an email.
 You have a *problem* if the file gets corrupted near an early
emails.  19,950ish emails suddenly go poof.

Both issues can be mitigated by (a) filtering mails into topical
folders (family, debian-user, etc) and archiving by date to history
folders.  I make a new debian-user folder every quarter, each folder
holding between 10 & 12 thousand emails, depending on how busy the
list was that quarter.

*Solving* the corrupted-mbox problem means moving to Maildir (or,
less popularly, mh) storage.

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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

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On 02/15/07 15:21, charlie derr wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
>>> or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.
>>
>> does that mean I have a problem?
>>
>> A
>>
> 
> For whatever it's worth, I'm writing this message using icedove, and
> there are currently 96179 messages in my inbox.  Sorting by thread takes
> 60 seconds or so, but everything else is pretty quick (i have a
> high-bandwidth connection to the IMAP mailserver). In the past, I've
> occasionally been up over 200,000 messages in a single folder without
> any problem (other than increased slowness when doing things like
> sorting and/or searching).

With IMAP, slowness is the only issue (unless your Uni's IT dept
uses uw-imap, which uses mbox).

I still wouldn't want 96,000 emails in my Inbox.

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TeX variants

2007-02-15 Thread pinniped



There are a number of TeX variants and no doubt one would have been made for 
guitar tabs.

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away I used 'musixtex' - but that it used for 
piano and orchestral arrangements - I can't recall if it did guitar tabs as 
well.

It takes a few days of playing with before you're used to it, but there are 
numerous examples to play with.

These are professional music typesetting software - they will shit all over any 
word processor's pathetic attempts at setting music.

There is also 'musictex' (but I can't remember the difference between music and 
musix now) and on Debian you can install 'texlive-music' to get musictex and 
sample guitar tabs.



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try 'dist-upgrade'

2007-02-15 Thread pinniped



Even if you're only using 'etch', try an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.  Did you 
notice if you had a long list of 'packages held back' ?

One reason for DCOP failing is permissions on the /tmp directory - just check 
that it is 'drwxrwxrwt'. Incorrect permissions will cause many necessary bits 
to fail.


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Can't modeprobe ip_tables

2007-02-15 Thread Fabio A Mazzarino


Hello Folks:

First I'd like to show a limitation in my case. The server is at a
datacenter, so booting a new kernel is highly improbable, only in a
emergency case.

Now the problem.

I can't use neither iptables nor brctl. The problem is that the
module doesn't exist.

Some data:

# uname -a
Linux loghost1 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux

I've downloaded  kernel-source 2.4.27, and copied
/boot/config-2.4.27-2.386 into /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/.config

First I tried 'make dep', but an error occured. Then I ran 'make
menuconfig', made no modifications, and then ran 'make dep, with no
errors at all.

After this I compiled the modules and installed them (make modules;
make modules_install). No erros again.

The new modules were saved into /lib/modules/2.4.27, not into
/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386, so the modules couldn't be found.

Then I removed /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 and renamed
/lib/modules/2.4.27 to /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386

This is what happened then:

# modprobe ip_tables
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol proc_net_R2b2fe002
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol nf_register_sockopt_Rede1b024
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol remove_proc_entry_R31ed257b
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol nf_unregister_sockopt_Rd3e682dd
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol irq_stat_R57e2f77e
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o:
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved
symbol create_proc_entry_R648035a2
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: insmod
ip_tables failed

In other words, it didn't work.

Can somebody, please, help me. I couldn't go any further then this.


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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

2007-02-15 Thread charlie derr

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.

does that mean I have a problem?

For whatever it's worth, I'm writing this message using icedove, and
there are currently 96179 messages in my inbox. Sorting by thread takes
60 seconds or so, but everything else is pretty quick (i have a
high-bandwidth connection to the IMAP mailserver). In the past, I've
occasionally been up over 200,000 messages in a single folder without
any problem (other than increased slowness when doing things like
sorting and/or searching).

With IMAP, slowness is the only issue (unless your Uni's IT dept
uses uw-imap, which uses mbox).

No, we use dovecot which stores email files in Maildir format on the server. Thanks for clarifying that though, as I hadn't the
energy to scroll up this rather long thread to see that that was the issue under discussion.

I still wouldn't want 96,000 emails in my Inbox.

Yeah, lots of people tell me that :-] I find that it works pretty well for me
though,

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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Kent West wrote:

(Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian
question.)

I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written
for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got
to wondering if it might be a better product.





It's already been said, but I am sure that LaTex has a variant to do 
what you want.


However, it gets little discussion on this list. I usually ask 
comp.text.tex and get the answers.


I find, after writing a book and publishing it in LaTex, that you can 
get anything at all done. Finding out how is the problem.


Hugo


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Re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 10:15 -0500, Grok Mogger wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> 
> > So, if you leave your sources.list with "testing" then after the
> > release, you will continue to see package upgrades as things move from
> > unstable to testing.  If you use "etch" then when Etch becomes stable,
> > you will only see security updates.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > -Roberto
> > 
> 
> Wait, so stable only gets security updates?  What if there's a 
> bug in a package, will it get a fix?  And I guess just to finish 
> off my questionnaire, do packages in stable ever get upgrades 
> for additional functionality?
> 
> If stable only gets security updates, then I find it rather 
> funny that I know someone running a Debian system with a custom 
> perl script designed to get only security updates via apt-get. 
> Was this script a total waste of his time?

In general YES, a complete waste of time. cron-apt can be configured any
number of ways. And since Stable on gets "security" updates and doesn't
change ABIs or APIs.

But I really doubt, someone would goto ALL that works when something
like cron-apt is available and works wonders.
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Re: backup/restore

2007-02-15 Thread Rick Thomas



On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Casey T. Deccio wrote:


I'm looking for a solution to temporarily backup then restore a Debian
install--preserving the filesystem contents and attributes.  The  
caveat

is that the capacity of the drive I'll be restoring to is smaller (all
other hardare is unchanged).  I wasn't sure if there was a way to do
this with dd because of the smaller drive on the restore.   
Initially, I

used 'rsync -avH --delete --no-numeric-ids src server:dst' to send
everything to another server and back.  The number of files (including
links, etc.) seemed to check out, but disk usage (using 'du -cs /')  
was
different before and after (block size on the filesystem was the  
same as

before).


I've seen that too.  Two things that seem to cause it are directories  
and symlinks.


Directories can be different sizes in src and dst even though their  
contents are the same.  One possible explanation is that a directory  
built up piece-at-a-time will have a different structure from the  
same directory built up all-at-once.


Identical Symlinks can be hard linked together in the src but will be  
individual files in the dst.  That results in more inodes and  
(trivially) more space being used in dst.


Neither effects are serious.  If you are really concerned, you can  
use 'find . -type f -exec md5sum "{}" \;' to verify the text files  
were copied correctly. That's crude but effective.  More  
sophisticated 'find' commands are possible for more sophisticated  
checks.  read the man page for details.




Plus I was not sure if extended attributes were transfered
with the files.

Anyone know if the extended attributes are transferred with rsync  
or why

the disk usage is not the same?  Any suggestions on a better way to do
this?  I'd like to avoid re-installing and reconfiguring again.


Don't know about that.

Rick


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Re: latex (tetex) refuses to produce dvi

2007-02-15 Thread Olafur Jens Sigurdsson

Hi, have you tried out latex -output-format dvi .tex?
That is skip the = sign.

I guess you have pdfetex installed and /usr/bin/latex pointing to that
(check by using which /usr/bin/latex)

HTH

Oli

Þann 2007-02-15, 17:59:07 (+0200) skrifaði Micha Feigin:
> Sorry, this was supposed to be sent to the list 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:58:49 -0600
> "Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > * Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070214 20:43]:
> > > I tried to produce dvi output from a tex file I have and latex just
> > > refuses to do it. I tried:
> > > latex -output-format=dvi .tex
> > > And it's as if the option is not there, I just get a pdf file again.
> > > How do I force latex to produce a dvi file?
> > > This is with debian unstable and the tetex packages, not texlive
> > 
> > By default, the command 
> > 
> > $ latex filename.tex
> > 
> > produces a dvi file, in both TeTeX and TeXLive.  I an unaware of the
> > "output-format" option; why are you using it?
> > 
> 
> I'm using the output-format option because the current installation of tetex
> on my debian unstable system will only produce pdf and completely refuses to
> produce dvi out.
> 
> I was used that
> $ latex filename.tex 
> but for some strange reason that doesn't happen here. I guess that there is
> some switch somewhere that is ruining things but I have no idea where to look
> for it.
> 
> 
> > RLH
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Stupid Noob Question: Surfing the 'Testing' edge

2007-02-15 Thread Grok Mogger


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:15:25AM -0500, Grok Mogger wrote:
Wait, so stable only gets security updates?  What if there's a 
bug in a package, will it get a fix?  And I guess just to finish 
off my questionnaire, do packages in stable ever get upgrades 
for additional functionality?



Stable is never upgraded for additional functionality.

Only incredibly sever bugs are fixed in stable.  It requires lots of
coordination and convincing the stable release manager that it is
necessary.  The philosophy of Debian's stable release policy is that the
behavior of a stable release should never change.  That is why security
updates are always done by backporting the required fix into the stable
version of the package instead of just upgrading to a new upstream.

If stable only gets security updates, then I find it rather 
funny that I know someone running a Debian system with a custom 
perl script designed to get only security updates via apt-get. 
Was this script a total waste of his time?



Not sure.  Depends what it does.

Regards,

-Roberto


Cool, thanks for the info everyone.  =)

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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Kent West


Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 
  

The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web,
like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html:



Package: musixtex
Description: Typeset music scores with TeX
 This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's
 Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music
 score files.
  
Package: musixlyr

Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics
 musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX
 (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is
 to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling:
  


Looks promising, but the learning curve appears to be a right-angle. 
From page 2 of the manual:

If you are not familiar with TEX at all
I would recommend to ﬁnd another software
package to do musical typesetting.
Setting up TEX and MusiXTEX
on your machine and mastering it
is an awesome job which gobbles up
a lot of your time and disk space.
But, once you master it...
Hans Kuykens


I tried to find a _simple_ Step1-Step2-Step3 to go from a blank text 
file to a finished one-liner staff, but either my googling capabilities 
are inadequate, or as is typical of much Free software, the folks who 
know how to do stuff never bother to write for those who don't. (Don't 
get me wrong; I very much appreciate the efforts of the developers of 
Free software, etc; it just sometimes gets frustrating when you're 
coming in as a total newb, which I am when it comes to TeX and friends.)


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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material

2007-02-15 Thread Olafur Jens Sigurdsson

Hi, havnt been following this thread, just jumping in.
This link has some samples of musixtex that you could perhaps use to
get yourself familiar with it.
Else use something like noteedit to edit your music and if you want,
then you can export your music to musixtex.

HTH

Oli

Þann 2007-02-15, 18:06:05 (-0600) skrifaði Kent West:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 
> >   
> >> The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web,
> >> like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html:
> >> 
> >
> > Package: musixtex
> > Description: Typeset music scores with TeX
> >  This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's
> >  Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music
> >  score files.
> >   
> > Package: musixlyr
> > Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics
> >  musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX
> >  (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is
> >  to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling:
> >   
> 
> Looks promising, but the learning curve appears to be a right-angle. 
>  From page 2 of the manual:
> > If you are not familiar with TEX at all
> > I would recommend to ï¬nd another software
> > package to do musical typesetting.
> > Setting up TEX and MusiXTEX
> > on your machine and mastering it
> > is an awesome job which gobbles up
> > a lot of your time and disk space.
> > But, once you master it...
> > Hans Kuykens
> 
> I tried to find a _simple_ Step1-Step2-Step3 to go from a blank text 
> file to a finished one-liner staff, but either my googling capabilities 
> are inadequate, or as is typical of much Free software, the folks who 
> know how to do stuff never bother to write for those who don't. (Don't 
> get me wrong; I very much appreciate the efforts of the developers of 
> Free software, etc; it just sometimes gets frustrating when you're 
> coming in as a total newb, which I am when it comes to TeX and friends.)
> 
> Thanks, though!
> 
> -- 
> Kent West
> http://kentwest.blogspot.com 
> 
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Re: fglrx, kernel 2.6.20, dri and composite problem

2007-02-15 Thread Inko IA


Hi!

As far as I know, the official fglrx drivers doesn't allow composite.

I have an Ati mobility radeon X700 and I didn't manage to activate
composite with those drivers. BUT, on january, debian released new
mesa glx and dri packages which supports 3D hardware acceleration for
my card, and allows composite. Compiz-xgl works fine, I haven't try
beryl.
The section device is like this in my case:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Ati Mobility Radeon X700"
Driver  "radeon"
   Option   "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,AUTO" #Without this I only
see a blank screen, I think it's because of the screen size... not
sure


Try the free drivers.

Greetings!

 -Inko-



2007/2/15, Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi all,

I was running happily Debian Unstable for 3 years, when finally my hard
drive died, and I had to install Debian from scratch. I want to install
beryl

http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian

Very nice outlook which obviously requires 3D acceleration and (as
outlined on the page above) the
option:

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

I tried kernels 2.6.19 and 2.6.20 with the latest ati drivers (8.33.6-1)
and the ones included in Debian (2.28.8). In a short what I did is:

# ln -sf bash /bin/sh
# bash ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run  --buildpkg
Debian/unstable
# dpkg -i *.deb
# cd /usr/src
# tar -jxvf fglrx.tar.bz2
# cd /usr/src/modules/fglrx/
# module-assistant prepare
# module-assistant a-i fglrx
restarting x...

===> kernel 2.6.20 (with both driver versions), the module cannot
compile at all, complaining about

.
/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:198: error: expected declaration
specifiers or \u2018...\u2019 before \u2018mlock\u2019
/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:198: error: expected declaration
specifiers or \u2018...\u2019 before \u2018addr\u2019 ...
..

===> kernel 2.6.19 (with both driver versions), 3D acceleration works if

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Disable"
EndSection

But if I enable it I get:

% fglrxinfo
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)

% glxgears
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".


Any idea how to solve this? Nothing useful in google..

Cheers,
Ivan

P.S. Attached are /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
#   FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
#   FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
#   FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
#Load"GLcore"
Load"i2c"
Load"bitmap"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"freetype"
#Load"GLcore"
Load"glx"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"int10"
Load"vbe"
Load"GLcore"
SubSection "extmod"
  Option "omit xfree86-dga"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"

Re: Dual head setup [solved]

2007-02-15 Thread Hans du Plooy

On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 10:03 +1000, Greg Vickers wrote:
> > It would be unstable because the radeon module has little more than basic
> > support for the X600.  Was this dual head in an extended desktop mode (as
> > opposed to mirror)?  Do you by any chance still have this config file
> > around?
> 
> Huh, great - I included two xorg.conf files in my previous email, one 
> that crashed with the radeon module and the second one that works with 
> the fglrx module.

Greg, sorry.  I should really stop leaving this for the wee hours of the
morning

Well, I managed to get it working, and much better than I had hoped for.
I had hoped to get xinerama going, which would have meant no 3D.  But I
found a way that doesn't need xinerama, and allows me to have a big
desktop split over the two screens with full 3D accelleration: MergedFB.
xorg.conf included.

Hans

Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
FontPath
"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"bitmap"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card1"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "MergedFB" "true"
Option  "CRT2Position" "LeftOf"
Option  "MonitorLayout" "LCD, CRT"
Option  "CRT2Hsync" "31-83"
Option  "CRT2VRefresh" "50-75"
Option  "OverlayOnCRTC2" "true"
Option  "MetaModes" "1280x1024-1280x1024"
Option  "MergedXineramaCRT2IsScreen0" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "DELL1"
Option  "DPMS"
HorizSync   31-83
VertRefresh 56-76
DisplaySize 412 401
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen1"
Device  "Card1"
Monitor "DELL1"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1280x1024"
Virtual 2560 1024
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Default Layout"
Screen  "Screen1"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode0666
EndSection



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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:00:22PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > > 
> > Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> > or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.
> 
> does that mean I have a problem?
> 
Of course not.  It just means that you are an uncommon sort of person.
:-)

Regards,

-Roberto

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backups

2007-02-15 Thread pinniped



For a genuine (full) backup, use 'tar' - that's what it was made for (and it 
acts properly on symlinks and preserves attributes etc).  Just be aware that 
tar originally worked with tapes and just wrote all data into a single stream 
with a few markers.  That behavior is preserved, so you need to be careful of a 
few things:

1. For huge jobs do not compress (for 'split' archives you cannot compress 
anyway)
2. If your archive is going to be large, make sure the filesystem on your 
destination drive will support very large files.  Otherwise you will need to 
write a script to create/update the split archive.

Do NOT use 'dd' if the destination is smaller than the source - dd mindlessly 
reads sequential blocks from the source and writes to the destination until 
something happens to interrupt that process (source ends, destination is full, 
errors, limits set as options to dd...).

You will not be able to preserve a 'lilo' boot block.  Even with 'grub' if you 
reformat the drive etc, it will need a little coaxing to get the system running 
(but in the case of reformat etc, if partition names change you will need a 
live CD to fix 'fstab' before anything runs - unless you also have busybox).  
You can preserve the MBR using 'dd'. However, the 512 bytes also contains 
information on the partition - writing back that MBR destroys your current 
partition map as well.  If you may need to restore the MBR (but without 
touching your current partition map) then you will need to read more about the 
MBR and figure out just how many bytes you need to copy to preserve the booting 
part - then experiment on another HD just to make sure you don't screw up your 
system.




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Re: backup/restore

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:28:15PM -0800, Casey T. Deccio wrote:
> I'm looking for a solution to temporarily backup then restore a Debian
> install--preserving the filesystem contents and attributes.  The caveat
> is that the capacity of the drive I'll be restoring to is smaller (all
> other hardare is unchanged).  I wasn't sure if there was a way to do
> this with dd because of the smaller drive on the restore.  Initially, I
> used 'rsync -avH --delete --no-numeric-ids src server:dst' to send
> everything to another server and back.  The number of files (including
> links, etc.) seemed to check out, but disk usage (using 'du -cs /') was
> different before and after (block size on the filesystem was the same as
> before).  Plus I was not sure if extended attributes were transfered
> with the files.
> 
> Anyone know if the extended attributes are transferred with rsync or why
> the disk usage is not the same?  Any suggestions on a better way to do
> this?  I'd like to avoid re-installing and reconfiguring again.
> 
I think that systemimager might be what you want.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-15 Thread hendrik

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:52:58PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:
> 
> 
> >>>HTML adapts to the user's browser pane width (well, if the author
> >>>doesn't break HTML's ability to do that).
> >>Again, to be pedantic, it's CSS that controls the layout, hence the 
> >>author simply provides multiple CSS, which is what it's designed to do.
> 
> What do you mean by "the author simply provides multiple CSS"?
> 
> If _you_ want to look at something in a full-screen browser window and
> _I_ want to use a half-screen-width browser window (e.g., to see two
> web pages side by side), how is an author going to provide multiple CSS
> stylesheets to cover both of us?  What about every size in between?
> 
> 
> 
> >Just to be historical, HTML text adapted to the user's browser long 
> >before CSS had even been invented.
> 
> Of course!  (Why do you point that out?)

Because I was replying to a post that suggested that CSS was the first
thing that enabled a web page to adjust to a user's browser.

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Re: Can't modeprobe ip_tables

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 08:04:16PM -0200, Fabio A Mazzarino wrote:
> Hello Folks:
> 
> First I'd like to show a limitation in my case. The server is at a
> datacenter, so booting a new kernel is highly improbable, only in a
> emergency case.
> 
> Now the problem.
> 
> I can't use neither iptables nor brctl. The problem is that the
> module doesn't exist.
> 
> Some data:
> 
> # uname -a
> Linux loghost1 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
That looks like a stock debian kernel.  It certianly has all the
iptables support you need out of the box.

You may also want to consider using shorewall.

Regards,

-Roberto
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-15 Thread Mike McCarty


Sergio Cuéllar Valdés wrote:

2007/2/15, Siju George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi,

maybe you should read about LVM [1]. It is not about file systems, but
it can help you :)


I'd rather deal with a case of the Clap.

LVM is worse than useless for most installations. It makes
the entire file system dependent on every drive in the Logical
Volume working. If any drive fails, then the entire FS becomes
corrupt. As you may know, as the number of devices goes up,
the MTBF goes down drastically, and the probability of failure
goes up dramatically. If one has a largish RAID, then LVM makes
sense, but without RAID or some other error correcting ability,
LVM makes the likelihood of a file system failure increase, and
makes the likelihood of recovery from it decrease, since the
normal recovery tools won't work.

Mike
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Re: Woody on 486 problem

2007-02-15 Thread Mike McCarty


Mirko Scurk wrote:

Hi!

I'm trying to install woody on Digital Venturis 466 486DX66, 540MB HDD,
20MB RAM, CD-ROM, S3 Turbo VGA 1MB and EtherWorks III ISA network adapter.

The first stage of install went fine but after installing lilo and
rebooting I never got prompt. There are many errors:

Read-only file system
nothing in /proc - not mounted?
lot of
/lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. cannot create  Read-only file system
/lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. init_module: No such device


This looks like you have insufficient RAM for init to complete.
It's dieing in the middle, and restarting. Of course, it can't
complete again, so there you go.


and finally

INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes

When I log to second virtual terminal I get message:
mesg: /dev/tty2: Read-only file system

Any sugestions, please?


Add some RAM, getting at least 32MB and preferable 64MB.
I have successfully run Knoppix (Debian based) on a
machine with 32MB, but it isn't nice.

Even better, perhaps, would be DSL, which I have run on a
486 class machine with only 16MB of RAM.

NB: Text only mode, no GUI.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

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On 02/15/07 19:31, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Mirko Scurk wrote:
[snip]
> Add some RAM, getting at least 32MB and preferable 64MB.
> I have successfully run Knoppix (Debian based) on a
> machine with 32MB, but it isn't nice.
> 
> Even better, perhaps, would be DSL, which I have run on a
> 486 class machine with only 16MB of RAM.
> 
> NB: Text only mode, no GUI.

I was just *waiting* for someone to open the door and let us
greybeards play "remember when"!!!

Remember when Win95 ran well with 16MB RAM?  (Shame on you!!)

Remember when OS/2 ran *great* with 16MB RAM?

Remember when Doom ran great on Linux and fvwm, with 16MB RAM and
et4000/W32p video card?
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB