Re: Re: Dual boot Linux on one box (about partitions)
About dual boot: I have xp and one linux kind booting on mbr while linux-one use grub for bootloader for all distros All other kinds of linux distro are not using mbr but boot on there root partion. That root partion is used in grub menu of the only linux using mbr as boot. So the grub look like this title what ever it is (it does not matter,only for you to read. kernel (hd0,1) /boot/vmlinu initrd (hd0,1) /boot/initrd title Windows root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 title diferent linux root (hdo,?) chainloader +1 and so on (maybe 20 others? And the first grub load in all from that bootloader. greetings Jacob
contract bridge program
Has anyone ever found an open source contract bridge program. Thanks in advance R.J.P. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt alternates command
Mike M wrote: 2. What's the proper way to read /usr/share/doc/mutt/NEWS.Debian.gz? I used: # cd /usr/share/doc/mutt/ # gunzip NEWS.Debian.gz # vi NEWS.Debian It worked but it seems there should be some sort of tool. Others have pointed out zless (or even just "less" by itself, check out man lesspipe), but the package apt-listchanges is also useful for finding out that there is something to read: Description: Display change history from .deb archives apt-listchanges is a tool to show what has been changed in a new version of a Debian package, as compared to the version currently installed on the system. It does this by extracting the relevant entries from the Debian changelog file, and the NEWS.Debian file. Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge box not rebooting..
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:25:43 GMT, "Miquel van Smoorenburg" writes: I have a HP DL380 here with Sarge (current as of now) on it. Problem is that it's not rebooting, eg if I call `reboot` or `telinit 6`, it starts sending out TERM and KILL signals, and everything is stopping, up to and including klogd and syslogd. Then, instead of writing "Rebooting... " (and actually rebooting), as I'd expect, it again writes "Sending all processes the TERM signal ..." and does nothing more. >> I've checked further, and what's holding it up >> is /etc/rc6.d/S20sendsigs, the `killall5 -15`. I strace'd it, and the >> last thing I get is "rt_sigaction(-1, SIGSTOP" (note the missing ")"). > >Ofcourse, by then the strace process is sigSTOPped too. Heisenbug. D'oh! >> If I background both killall5's, it comes as far as "Saving random >> seed... done", eg S30urandom finishes. >> >>Hmm, can it be that killall5 doesn't actually manage to *not* kill >> itself? > >Ofcourse it goes through great lengths to do exactly that - NOT >kill itself. It kills all processes _except_ itself and its >caller. Any hints on what it _could_ be, or on what I can do to further narrow down the problem? cheers+tia, &rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / pgpZ2zDgEFQUZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Boot problem with a moved ext3 partition
Hi, I have a laptop with windows XP and Debian sarge, the boot is from windows XP. I've transformed the debian ext3 partion in an extended partition with inside the orginal partition (I've used Partion Magic 8.0). The operation terminated with success and then I generated a new linux.bin to boot debian from windows but it doesn't work (on the screen appears only "GRUB"). I think that the ext3 partition is ok beacouse I can browse it with partition magic and if I boot with the debian CD I can mount (I found it in /dev/disks/ide1/part5) and browse it. Besides e2fsck doesn't report any error. With the debian CD (sarge 20040429) I tried to use the partition manager specifying to use the existent partition ext3 but I've the following messages: 1 - Filesystem was not cleany unmounted! you should e2fsck. Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption (I press continue because I run e2fsck without error) 2 - This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Ported can't resize this (yet) 3 - The test of the filesystem with type ext3 in partition #5 of IDE1 master found uncorrect errors. If you don't go back to the partitioning menu and correct these errors the partition will not be used at all. What can be the problem? The extended partion I made with partition magic? An utility for windows, bootparts, sees it as type=f (Win95 XInt 13 extended), size= 36162315 KB, Lba Pos=44885610. The ext3 was wrongly moved by partion magic? But than how can I mount and use it! The boot sector of the ext3 partion was corrupted and than GRUB doesn't work? In this case, how can I repair it? Thanks a lot. Giannandrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: numlockx problem?
On Dec 27 2004, Greg Norris wrote: > Normally you're prompted for conffile replacement when the package is > upgraded, but I believe this can be overridden via /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf. This is something that I don't understand: why aren't conffiles replacement handled by debconf? That would be nice just for consistency's sake. Curiously yours, Rogério Brito. -- Learn to quote e-mails decently at: http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php http://learn.to/quote http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot problem with a moved ext3 partition
High, On 28 Dec 2004, jean wrote: > Hi, > > I have a laptop with windows XP and Debian sarge, the boot is from > windows XP. I've transformed the debian ext3 partion in an extended > partition with inside the orginal partition (I've used Partion Magic > 8.0). The operation terminated with success and then I generated a > new linux.bin to boot debian from windows but it doesn't work (on the > screen appears only "GRUB"). > I assume you reconfigured GRUB with 'root (hd0,4)' 'setup (hd0)'? > I think that the ext3 partition is ok beacouse I can browse it with > partition magic and if I boot with the debian CD I can mount (I found > it in /dev/disks/ide1/part5) and browse it. Besides e2fsck doesn't > report any error. > > With the debian CD (sarge 20040429) I tried to use the partition > manager specifying to use the existent partition ext3 but I've the > following messages: > > 1 - Filesystem was not cleany unmounted! you should e2fsck. Modifying > an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption (I press continue > because I run e2fsck without error) > > 2 - This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Ported can't > resize this (yet) > > 3 - The test of the filesystem with type ext3 in partition #5 of IDE1 > master found uncorrect errors. If you don't go back to the > partitioning menu and correct these errors the partition will not be > used at all. > > What can be the problem? The extended partion I made with partition > magic? An utility for windows, bootparts, sees it as type=f (Win95 > XInt 13 extended), size= 36162315 KB, Lba Pos=44885610. > This is wrong. The partition type should be Linux. Run fdisk and change the partition type. > The ext3 was wrongly moved by partion magic? But than how can I mount > and use it! > Are you sure the number of blocks is still the same as it was before moving? > The boot sector of the ext3 partion was corrupted and than GRUB > doesn't work? In this case, how can I repair it? First change the partition type to Linux. Does e2fsck run properly now? Then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to your new settings, something like: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.10 root(hd0,4) <--- this is your extended partition kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 root=/dev/hda5 ro <--- idem. savedefault Also check your XP record (I don't run windoze, so I can't help you with that one). Then run grub and type: root (hd0,4) setup (hd0) and see if you are able to boot again. Greetz, Sebas -- English written by Dutch people is easily recognized by the improper use of 'In principle ...' The software box said 'Requires Windows 95 or better', so I installed Linux. Als Pacman in de jaren '80 de kinderen zo had be?nvloed zouden nu veel jongeren rondrennen in donkere zalen terwijl ze pillen eten en luisteren naar monotone electronische muziek. (Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, 1989) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
I googled and couldn't find the .deb kernel package which supports highmem( its available in testing version only) So I think I need to use the latest 2.4.x kernel from kernel.org. If I am using debian kernel packages, then I can get security updates from debian. Is kernel.org provides security updates? If so , how to apply the updates without disturbing applications running on a production server? Please suggest me Sarav --- Jonathan Lassoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You need a kernel that supports large amounts of > RAM. You could get > the sources and compile it yourself which can take > some time, but I > personally found very easy to do. I would think that > there is a .deb > package of a kernel with this support as well, but I > don't know that > much about apt. Perhaps do: "apt-cache search > kernel" and see if > anything jumps out at you. > > I'd be happy to help you compile your own kernel. > > --Jonathan > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:39 -0800 (PST), saravanan > ganapathy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hai, > > I installed woody on my dual processor,2 GB RAM > > server. I have enabled smp support by installing > > kernel-image-2.4.18-smp. Now it shows dual > processor. > > But the os detects my RAM as 900 MB only. How do I > > enable the os to detect actual RAM(2 GB)? > > > > Please help me > > > > Sarav > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage > less. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Backing up a running system
I have a debian (woody) server running at work and would like to back up the entire system onto some sort of removable media (USB hard drive, DVD, removable harddrive etc). I do daily backups of /etc and /home using tar, but would like to be able to restore my system quickly in the event of a disaster. I don't change things much on my system, so I'd only need to do this once every 6 months or so. To date I've been using partimage - but that requires that the partition being backed up is unmounted. I've done a bit of googling, but haven't found something that fits the bill. Is there a way of doing this (preferably remotely) without unmounting the filesystem (like the new version of Norton Ghost is able to do in Windows)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
> > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:39 -0800 (PST), saravanan > > ganapathy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hai, > > > I installed woody on my dual processor,2 GB RAM > > > server. I have enabled smp support by installing > > > kernel-image-2.4.18-smp. Now it shows dual > > processor. > > > But the os detects my RAM as 900 MB only. How do I > > > enable the os to detect actual RAM(2 GB)? > > > > > > Please help me > > > > > > Sarav > --- Jonathan Lassoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You need a kernel that supports large amounts of > > RAM. You could get > > the sources and compile it yourself which can take > > some time, but I > > personally found very easy to do. I would think that > > there is a .deb > > package of a kernel with this support as well, but I > > don't know that > > much about apt. Perhaps do: "apt-cache search > > kernel" and see if > > anything jumps out at you. > > > > I'd be happy to help you compile your own kernel. > > > > --Jonathan On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:58:46 -0800 (PST), saravanan ganapathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I googled and couldn't find the .deb kernel package > which supports highmem( its available in testing > version only) > So I think I need to use the latest 2.4.x kernel from > kernel.org. If I am using debian kernel packages, then > I can get security updates from debian. > Is kernel.org provides security updates? If so , how > to apply the updates without disturbing applications > running on a production server? > > Please suggest me > > Sarav Sorry for the topposting above, that was my mistake. As to the security updates, those are provided by the Debian security team. They maintain software packages with the latest updates for security vulnerabilities. The kernel is the core piece of software on your system that handles all the system calls and a whole slew of other core stuff. Vulnerabilities for the Linux kernel are not as common as vulnerabilities for common pieces of Linux software, so you could roll your own kernel and still have all the great security updates from the Debian security team. As to getting your own kernel going, there are two big and easy ways to get the sources. One, you can get the sources from backports.org. This would consist of adding some lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file to get a kernel-source package. Two, you can get the kernel source from kernel.org. I personally would go with the second as it is quicker to grab and use. As of this writing, the latest 2.4 kernel is 2.4.28, and can be had over HTTP at http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.28.tar.bz2 Grab this and move it to /usr/src You will likely have to become root to do this. Then decompress the tarball in /usr/src. This should make /usr/src/linux-2.4.28. Then you should cd into this directory and proceed to configure your new kernel and compile it. There is ample documentation in the linux-2.4.28 directory under Documentation, and I don't really feel like rewriting some already great docs. There are plenty more online too if you poke around on google or something. Direct any questions here, and I'll do my best to help you out. Hope this works out for you. --Jonathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
May it an opportunity to migrate to Sarge. Any how Sarge is on the egde to be the stable version. hth, Jerome saravanan ganapathy wrote: I googled and couldn't find the .deb kernel package which supports highmem( its available in testing version only) So I think I need to use the latest 2.4.x kernel from kernel.org. If I am using debian kernel packages, then I can get security updates from debian. Is kernel.org provides security updates? If so , how to apply the updates without disturbing applications running on a production server? Please suggest me Sarav --- Jonathan Lassoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You need a kernel that supports large amounts of RAM. You could get the sources and compile it yourself which can take some time, but I personally found very easy to do. I would think that there is a .deb package of a kernel with this support as well, but I don't know that much about apt. Perhaps do: "apt-cache search kernel" and see if anything jumps out at you. I'd be happy to help you compile your own kernel. --Jonathan On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:39 -0800 (PST), saravanan ganapathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hai, I installed woody on my dual processor,2 GB RAM server. I have enabled smp support by installing kernel-image-2.4.18-smp. Now it shows dual processor. But the os detects my RAM as 900 MB only. How do I enable the os to detect actual RAM(2 GB)? Please help me Sarav -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: numlockx problem?
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:37:40 -0200, Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 27 2004, Greg Norris wrote: > > Normally you're prompted for conffile replacement when the package is > > upgraded, but I believe this can be overridden via /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf. > > This is something that I don't understand: why aren't conffiles replacement > handled by debconf? That would be nice just for consistency's sake. > > Curiously yours, Rogério Brito. > Not all packages use debconf, like in this case numlockx... =) Andrea
Re: Backing up a running system
Hi, On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Robert S wrote: > I have a debian (woody) server running at work and would like to back up the > entire system onto some sort of removable media (USB hard drive, DVD, > removable harddrive etc). I do daily backups of /etc and /home using tar, > but would like to be able to restore my system quickly in the event of a > disaster. I don't change things much on my system, so I'd only need to do > this once every 6 months or so. > > To date I've been using partimage - but that requires that the partition > being backed up is unmounted. I've done a bit of googling, but haven't > found something that fits the bill. > > Is there a way of doing this (preferably remotely) without unmounting the > filesystem (like the new version of Norton Ghost is able to do in Windows)? > I would write an image from the partitions. If you have no 'spare' disks in the computer, or only one partition you have to mount a remote drive directly, like USB, Samba, or similar. A backup is easily done with dd, for example: dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=1M | gzip -c9 > /media/usbdrive/sda1.bin.gz This backs up the partition, zips it and writes it to a removable drive. When restoring you might run into some discontinuities with files which were open during the backup, but as long as these are logfiles, it shouldn't be a big problem. Just make sure you closed all importand files (if any) before backing up this way. Restoring the image is almost the same: gunzip -c /media/usbdrive/sda1.bin.gz | dd of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M Cheers, Sebastiaan -- English written by Dutch people is easily recognized by the improper use of 'In principle ...' The software box said 'Requires Windows 95 or better', so I installed Linux. Als Pacman in de jaren '80 de kinderen zo had be?nvloed zouden nu veel jongeren rondrennen in donkere zalen terwijl ze pillen eten en luisteren naar monotone electronische muziek. (Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, 1989) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backing up a running system
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:56:18 +1100, Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a debian (woody) server running at work and would like to back up the > entire system onto some sort of removable media (USB hard drive, DVD, > removable harddrive etc). I do daily backups of /etc and /home using tar, > but would like to be able to restore my system quickly in the event of a > disaster. I don't change things much on my system, so I'd only need to do > this once every 6 months or so. > > To date I've been using partimage - but that requires that the partition > being backed up is unmounted. I've done a bit of googling, but haven't > found something that fits the bill. > > Is there a way of doing this (preferably remotely) without unmounting the > filesystem (like the new version of Norton Ghost is able to do in Windows)? > I think you can find this question answered in this list archive, anyway i think you can check the mondo/mindi packages. Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sid - udev, cdsymlinks.sh and kernel module cdrom
> "Andrea" == Andrea Vettorello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andrea> What's the output of "ls /etc/udev/rules.d"?
local.rules udev.rules@
udev.rules is a symlink to /etc/udev/udev.rules
local.rules contains the following:
BUS="scsi",SYSFS{model}="Python 04106-XXX",KERNEL="nst0",SYMLINK="tape"
which links my SCSI DAT drive to /dev/tape.
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Chris
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Re: sid - udev, cdsymlinks.sh and kernel module cdrom
> "Jim" == Jim McCloskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jim> [1] Maybe this is related to the problem reported as Bug Jim> #287225 against udev at http://bugs.debian.org If your Jim> problem is (in part) the same, you'll find a workaround in Jim> that correspondence. Will check Jim> [2] For udev to function properly, it is often important that Jim> the relevant kernel module be loaded at boot time, by being Jim> listed in /etc/modules. For a 2.6 series kernel, you will Jim> not want ide-scsi. The relevant kernel configuration option Jim> is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD. If that option is configured as a Jim> module, it will be called ide-cd. If that is how your kernel Jim> is configured, maybe you should include ide-cd as a line in Jim> /etc/modules? It's a stock debian kernel (2.6.8-1-k7) - so I hope that the relevant option is set. I'll try the ide-cd line too. Thanks for the tips -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backing up a running system
>> Is there a way of doing this (preferably remotely) without unmounting the >> filesystem (like the new version of Norton Ghost is able to do in >> Windows)? > > A backup is easily done with dd, for example: > dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=1M | gzip -c9 > /media/usbdrive/sda1.bin.gz > > When restoring you might run into some discontinuities with files which > were open during the backup, but as long as these are logfiles, it > shouldn't be a big problem. Just make sure you closed all importand files > (if any) before backing up this way. > Thanks for the speedy answer. I have a feeling that /etc/mtab gave some problems with this approach. Has anybody tried this? The advantage of gzip is that the files can be easily browsed with a Windows machine (which make up most of our office computers). Its also easy for people with limited knowledge to understand!! Is there any advantage to using dump? I noticed on the FreeBSD docs that they recommended it for mirroring a hard drive. I've never used it before. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
Thx Jonathan for ur help . I got the kernel(2.4.28) from kernel.org and started recompiling. My steps: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.28 cp /boot/config-2.4.18-smp .config edit .config and include CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y & CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y make-kpkg --revision=debian.2.4 kernel-image Then it prompts lot of questions like the format as CONFIG_SMP=y (y/n...) (NEW) What should I do for all these questions? I know what config_smp will do,but most of other options I don't know. So How do I proceed? --- Jonathan Lassoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:39 -0800 (PST), > saravanan > > > ganapathy > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hai, > > > > I installed woody on my dual processor,2 GB > RAM > > > > server. I have enabled smp support by > installing > > > > kernel-image-2.4.18-smp. Now it shows dual > > > processor. > > > > But the os detects my RAM as 900 MB only. How > do I > > > > enable the os to detect actual RAM(2 GB)? > > > > > > > > Please help me > > > > > > > > Sarav > > > > --- Jonathan Lassoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You need a kernel that supports large amounts of > > > RAM. You could get > > > the sources and compile it yourself which can > take > > > some time, but I > > > personally found very easy to do. I would think > that > > > there is a .deb > > > package of a kernel with this support as well, > but I > > > don't know that > > > much about apt. Perhaps do: "apt-cache search > > > kernel" and see if > > > anything jumps out at you. > > > > > > I'd be happy to help you compile your own > kernel. > > > > > > --Jonathan > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:58:46 -0800 (PST), saravanan > ganapathy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I googled and couldn't find the .deb kernel > package > > which supports highmem( its available in testing > > version only) > > So I think I need to use the latest 2.4.x kernel > from > > kernel.org. If I am using debian kernel packages, > then > > I can get security updates from debian. > > Is kernel.org provides security updates? If so , > how > > to apply the updates without disturbing > applications > > running on a production server? > > > > Please suggest me > > > > Sarav > > > Sorry for the topposting above, that was my mistake. > > As to the security updates, those are provided by > the Debian security > team. They maintain software packages with the > latest updates for > security vulnerabilities. The kernel is the core > piece of software on > your system that handles all the system calls and a > whole slew of > other core stuff. Vulnerabilities for the Linux > kernel are not as > common as vulnerabilities for common pieces of Linux > software, so you > could roll your own kernel and still have all the > great security > updates from the Debian security team. > > As to getting your own kernel going, there are two > big and easy ways > to get the sources. One, you can get the sources > from backports.org. > This would consist of adding some lines to your > /etc/apt/sources.list > file to get a kernel-source package. Two, you can > get the kernel > source from kernel.org. I personally would go with > the second as it is > quicker to grab and use. As of this writing, the > latest 2.4 kernel is > 2.4.28, and can be had over HTTP at > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.28.tar.bz2 > Grab this > and move it to /usr/src You will likely have to > become root to do > this. Then decompress the tarball in /usr/src. This > should make > /usr/src/linux-2.4.28. Then you should cd into this > directory and > proceed to configure your new kernel and compile it. > There is ample > documentation in the linux-2.4.28 directory under > Documentation, and I > don't really feel like rewriting some already great > docs. There are > plenty more online too if you poke around on google > or something. > > Direct any questions here, and I'll do my best to > help you out. Hope > this works out for you. > > --Jonathan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nfs.statd bind to internal interface only
I'm trying to remove all of the servers listening on my external interface after upgrading my firewall from woody to sarge. The last one is rpc.statd AFAIK it is started and stopped from /etc/init.d/nfs-common. There is an environment variable called $STATDOPTS and I can't find where it is defined. Also in other situations like this I have tried inserting switches into the variable to bind to an interfave but it comes up with an error for example: nfs-common:line 16: ns.lefty: Command not found That was me trying to define the variable $STATDOPTS with the line: STATDOPTS=-h ns.lefty # The domain name is correct within my lan. Any help or pointers appreciated. Adrian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/04 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:39 +, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 09:02 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 03:42:09PM -0500, Eric d'Alibut wrote: > >>> [snip] > This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to > question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - > would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of > course :-) Depends on which questions you are asking... -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Millions of Chinese speak Chinese, and it's not hereditary..." Dr. Dean Edell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Problem with network after new kernel tryout
Hello Users, A couple of weeks ago I tasted debian first time and was so excited about what Linux can offer these days that I wanted to give a serious try to move permanetly to linux world and leave windows behind. Installing Sarge went without any complications, everything worked quite nice, although I had to do serveral configurations, updates and "apt-get installs". Only problem was with tv-card. I might got it working but then I red/heard that using 2.6 kernel would solve that problem, and overall it would be much better than 2.4, so I choosed to update. I made another Sarge installation (just to be sure not to break anything) and started updating its kernel. With help from this howto (which was, IMHO, very good and clear howto): http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm I successfully build 2.6.9 kernel. But when I booted It didn't work: When I booted I got graphical login screen where I entered username and password, but right after that I got error saying something like: Xsession lasted less than 10 seconds, ~/xsession.log has been writen. No problem, as howto says: "You'll probably need to build the kernel a few times before you get it just right", so just reconfigure and rebuild :) 1) I booted back to 2.4 kernel and then I got this very urgent problem, i cannot connect to network. 2) I tryed to boot back to first Sarge installataion and no network. 3) I tryd to boot to windowsXP and same there, cannot connect to network. I did factory reset to my ADLS modem, and retryed all steps abowe, no network. During both Sarge boots I can see this error message: Spurious 8259A interrupt irq7 I dont know whether it is any way related to this problem. Also I can see that DHCP fails to connect to my service provider. So, my QUESTION is here: I made two Sarge installations. Before kernel tryout both had properly operating network connection. After kernel tryout I have three OS (2 x Debian and 1 winXP) which cannot get network connection. Can anyone point me some direction where to start looking. I reseted my ADLS modem, and it didnt have any affect, so does this mean that BIOS has been changed some how by my kernel tryout? Details of my computer: - Processor is AMD Athlon XP +3000 - Motherboard is K7N2 Delta-L http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K7N2_Delta-L - Network card is on-board - ADLS modem is A-Link RoadRunner 44 :)Marko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Script to temporarily "open" port
A home system with an email server, i.e. exim, need not lay "exposed" 24/7. Is there a way to write script to open a port such as SMTP/25 periodically for a certain amount of time, check for activity, wait till free and then close it. This would be a cron'ed equivalent of bringing up Guarddog or some other IPtables interface, enabling access, waiting a while and seeing no (or no more) activity, bringing it up again and disabling access. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
distro maker...
Dear All, I'm interested in make a linux distro based on debian, just like as ubuntu, knoppix or libranet does. Can someone give me reference..howto..URL link of how to do that ? any kind help will appriciated regards reza -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wayward syslog items
My syslog has failed items for pppd and chat. Just fine since I have no pppd connection and no chat. Question is why I am getting this? I did not see anything appropriate in /etc/init.d. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim4. When smarthost fails
Had messages frozen. Reset bounce timeout to hours. Messages unfrozen, errors ignored but messages not sent. Posting on this list about exim_tidydb. Tried that. No more frozen messages but smarthost timed out and nothing was sent. Contacted the provider being used as the smarthost but these guys maybe know Windows. Meanwhile, exim4 is perfectly capable of being its own "provider". So for now, no more smarthost, even though it was recommended for the variable IP DNS. At least I can get mail out (to tolerant destinations?). I googled, found no other traffic on this issue. Provider problem or new exim4 bug? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian sid and "risk management"
Something I proposed a while back: A workable backtracking mechanism in apt. There already is for single "off-site" packages--an option to explicitely enable a "downgrade" back to the original. Simplest would be the backtrack to the previous systems configuration. Snapshots would be a larger and more complex solution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nfs.statd bind to internal interface only
Poor form to reply to my own post but have figured out what was causing the error message, (the settings need to be in quotes) and that $STATDOPTS is defined in /etc/defaults/nfs-common. The daemon still seems to be ignoring the setting, it dosen't fail with an error but using a combination of nmap and netstat -lp the rpc.statd service still listens on the external interface with a *.portnum line reported from netstat. I am unable to secure rpc.statd rpc.mountd and nfs Adrian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/04 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sid - udev, cdsymlinks.sh and kernel module cdrom
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:07:49 +0100, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Andrea" == Andrea Vettorello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Andrea> What's the output of "ls /etc/udev/rules.d"?
>
> local.rules udev.rules@
>
> udev.rules is a symlink to /etc/udev/udev.rules
>
> local.rules contains the following:
>
> BUS="scsi",SYSFS{model}="Python 04106-XXX",KERNEL="nst0",SYMLINK="tape"
>
> which links my SCSI DAT drive to /dev/tape.
>
Ok, you miss the CD rule. Simply create a symlink in
/etc/udev/udev.rules of /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules and restart
udev. Check in your /etc/modules if you have a line with "ide-cd"
module name, so it will be loaded at boot next time.
If the module is not loaded right now, modprobe it (you should check
this before restarting udev =). Maybe you need to install the "pmount"
and "hal" packages too and maybe create a /media dir.
The details should be in the doc of udev or in the Debian BTS for
"udev", don't recall the exact number, probably as Jim said bug
#287225
Andrea
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Re: Backing up a running system
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:02:00 +1100, Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Is there a way of doing this (preferably remotely) without unmounting the > >> filesystem (like the new version of Norton Ghost is able to do in > >> Windows)? > > > > A backup is easily done with dd, for example: > > dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=1M | gzip -c9 > /media/usbdrive/sda1.bin.gz > > > > When restoring you might run into some discontinuities with files which > > were open during the backup, but as long as these are logfiles, it > > shouldn't be a big problem. Just make sure you closed all importand files > > (if any) before backing up this way. > > > Thanks for the speedy answer. I have a feeling that /etc/mtab gave some > problems with this approach. Has anybody tried this? > > The advantage of gzip is that the files can be easily browsed with a Windows > machine (which make up most of our office computers). Its also easy for > people with limited knowledge to understand!! > > Is there any advantage to using dump? I noticed on the FreeBSD docs that > they recommended it for mirroring a hard drive. I've never used it before. > IIRC "dump" has limits, like working only with ext2 fs. Recalled another tool that you can check, AMANDA, in Debian amanda-common amanda-client amanda-server... Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Functionality?
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 08:48:00PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Right. However, Windows has some fairly stupid ways of handling user privledges, thus many games require Administrator rights. So guess what most people run as in Windows? Most people run shit. Usability and security are mutually exclusive, as far as mainstream is concerned. It's perfectly possible to turn a Unix into a point-and-drool box, and if it ever hits mainstream (OS X 2% ain't that) the least secure system will be chosen, and it will evolve towards less security, and more convenience. I don't believe this to be true. Initially everything was single user in the world of DOS and dial up connectivity was the only way to really have an opportunity of getting a virus. How things have changed. The original concept of every man being root on his own machine, is not longer viable. It's a matter of retraining the user to think about this differently, to accept the difference, and procede to work with the differences. My family is a great place for me to learn about this. My kids are more accomodating than my wife. But they haven't been prejudiced with as many years of Windows as my wife. They have access to a windows machine as well and they are starting to see the differences. While some things are easy in windows, some things are much easier in linux or at least much more stable in linux. In less than a year the windows box slowed down to a crawl. No software changes other than patches. Added memory ($$) and not much changed. Then they decided to remove the virus' and spyware. That helped but it's still pretty messed up. It's not my computer, it's my ex's. But she's doing everything that everyone else is doing. Helping the economy of taiwan by buying memory and then helping some other national economy by buying spyware removers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 22:39, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:39 +, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 09:02 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > > >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 03:42:09PM -0500, Eric d'Alibut wrote: > > [snip] > > > This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to > > question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - > > would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of > > course :-) > > Depends on which questions you are asking... It certainly does. A very good start would be "Was Abraham a psychotic"? Another good one. Pharoahs claimed to act as a communication channel between God and man. Moses was a high official in Pharoahs court. "Was Moses just imitating his former employer"? And the third "I'm out of toilet paper, what should I use"? Bob Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with network after new kernel tryout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Users, A couple of weeks ago I tasted debian first time and was so excited about what Linux can offer these days that I wanted to give a serious try to move permanetly to linux world and leave windows behind. Installing Sarge went without any complications, everything worked quite nice, although I had to do serveral configurations, updates and "apt-get installs". Only problem was with tv-card. I might got it working but then I red/heard that using 2.6 kernel would solve that problem, and overall it would be much better than 2.4, so I choosed to update. I made another Sarge installation (just to be sure not to break anything) and started updating its kernel. With help from this howto (which was, IMHO, very good and clear howto): http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm I successfully build 2.6.9 kernel. But when I booted It didn't work: When I booted I got graphical login screen where I entered username and password, but right after that I got error saying something like: Xsession lasted less than 10 seconds, ~/xsession.log has been writen. No problem, as howto says: "You'll probably need to build the kernel a few times before you get it just right", so just reconfigure and rebuild :) 1) I booted back to 2.4 kernel and then I got this very urgent problem, i cannot connect to network. 2) I tryed to boot back to first Sarge installataion and no network. 3) I tryd to boot to windowsXP and same there, cannot connect to network. I did factory reset to my ADLS modem, and retryed all steps abowe, no network. During both Sarge boots I can see this error message: Spurious 8259A interrupt irq7 I dont know whether it is any way related to this problem. Also I can see that DHCP fails to connect to my service provider. So, my QUESTION is here: I made two Sarge installations. Before kernel tryout both had properly operating network connection. After kernel tryout I have three OS (2 x Debian and 1 winXP) which cannot get network connection. Can anyone point me some direction where to start looking. I reseted my ADLS modem, and it didnt have any affect, so does this mean that BIOS has been changed some how by my kernel tryout? Details of my computer: - Processor is AMD Athlon XP +3000 - Motherboard is K7N2 Delta-L http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K7N2_Delta-L - Network card is on-board - ADLS modem is A-Link RoadRunner 44 :)Marko Marko, I have never heard of a kernel destroying a network card :) The fact that you are not able to use the network card even under XP would suggest an hardware problem unrelated to the OSs. Can it be that you have disloged the card from it's slot ? BTW if you want to try a 2.6.9 kernel you are not forced to compile your own since you can easily use a corresponding .deb package. Give us the output (as root) of lspci and lsmod and search for eth0 in the output od the dmesg command. Good luck, Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multiple installed kernel-image packages?
Hi folks, A quick question: is there a way to get apt to install new kernel-image packages rather than upgrade them, and keep the existing kernel-image package installed as well? Back on Red Hat, i could 'rpm -iv' (install) a new kernel package rather than 'rpm -Uv' (upgrade), and it would update grub's menu.lst and make the new one the default without affecting the currently-installed one. Is there an equivalent to this under Debian? Thanks, Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
sid dvd jigdo site
Is there some dependable site serving sid images in DVD format ? I have used a site in .hu about ten days ago and now wanted to build the updated images but it complains about a mismatch between the NEW .jigdo and .template files I have just downlaoded from there. Thank you, Bob PS Just in case you wonder I need those DVD to do multiple installations and upgrades at a site which has no external connectivity :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
Hi,
H. S. wrote:
Apparently, _Nicolas de Sereville_, on 24/12/04 05:13,typed:
Hi list,
I have the following problem using debian sid (kernel 2.6.8-1). I am
trying to get an icon automatically when I plug in my usb stick or
camera. I use udev / hal / gnome-volume-manager. As a normal user the
links in /dev are created following the udev rules file, but the
device is not mounted (pmount problem?) and hence doesn't appear on
my desktop.
Starting a X session as root, everything is working correctly. My usb
stick and camera are detected, mounted and a nice icon appears on the
desktop.
So I guess I have a problem of permissions or groups for a normal
user but I cannot figure out what? Following a few recent threads
concerning this topic in the archives I made me member of the
"plugdev" and "hal" (necessary?) group, and the device node in /dev
are created in the "hal" group.
Any help will be very apreciated!
Nico
A few technical information:
1- udev rules for my usb stick:
BUS="usb", KERNEL="sd*", SYSFS{product}="USB Mass Storage Device",
NAME="gyp-cl-%k", SYMLINK="gyp-cl-usb%n", MODE="0660", GROUP="hal"
2- /etc/fstab information:
/dev/gyp-cl-usb /media/stickautorw,user,noauto,sync
0 0
I was having a similar problem and filed a bug report (I was using
Sarge and kernel 2.6.9). You can find the complete bug reports on
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ by find a bug with the number 286579.
In Sid, using kernel 2.6.9 (2.6.9-1-686-smp to be more precise), I can
see the icon when I insert a USB stick in Inspiron 5160 Dell laptop. I
would suggest try this new version of the kernel.
I installed the kernel 2.6.9 through "apt-get install
kernel-image-2.6.9-1-k7", but nothing is changing. When I plug in my
stick and camera, the devices nodes are created in /dev but the devices
are not mounted, neither as a user nor as root (which used to work a few
days ago!). I don't remember having changed anything apart from
upgrading the system.
The versions of some packages are given here:
ii dbus-1 0.22-3 simple interprocess messaging system
ii udev 0.050-2/dev/ management daemon
ii hotplug0.0.20040329-1 Linux Hotplug Scripts
ii hal0.4.2-5Hardware Abstraction Layer
ii gnome-volume-m 1.1.2-5GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage
media
Reading the man pages of pmount it seems that a few conditions should be
verified, which I think is the case:
The mount will succeed if all of the following conditions are met:
- is a block device in /dev/
- is not handled by /etc/fstab (if it is, pmount calls
'/bin/mount ' to handle this transparently; supplying a label
is not
allowed in this case)
- is not already mounted according to /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts
- if the mount point already exists, there is no device already mounted
at it
and the directory is empty
- is removable (i. e. on USB or FireWire bus, or
/sys/block/drive/removable == 1)
- is not locked (see below)
However when I use pmount in a terminal as a normal user ("pmount"), it
tells me:
zsh: permission denied: pmount.
Can someone having udev/hal/hotplug/gnome-volume-manager running check
the permission of the pmount file. I have:
-rwSr--r-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount
I tried to make executable this file for everybody and then I can pmount
manually the device (pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick) but it doesn't work
automatically when I insert my stick.
Well as you can see I am stuck, so any ideas are welcomed!
Nico
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Re: Exim4. When smarthost fails
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 11:52, David Baron wrote: > Had messages frozen. Reset bounce timeout to hours. Messages unfrozen, > errors ignored but messages not sent. > > Posting on this list about exim_tidydb. Tried that. No more frozen messages > but smarthost timed out and nothing was sent. Contacted the provider being > used as the smarthost but these guys maybe know Windows. > > Meanwhile, exim4 is perfectly capable of being its own "provider". So for > now, no more smarthost, even though it was recommended for the variable IP > DNS. At least I can get mail out (to tolerant destinations?). > > I googled, found no other traffic on this issue. Provider problem or new > exim4 bug? Can't tell without more info. Whats in mainlog/reject log re these messages? Whats in your exim4.conf -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multiple installed kernel-image packages?
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 13:15, Paul Gear wrote: > Hi folks, > > A quick question: is there a way to get apt to install new kernel-image > packages rather than upgrade them, and keep the existing kernel-image > package installed as well? I'm using grub, and debian puts in an entry for every installed kernel (actually you can specifiy a limit in the grub config file). I don't think its doing the same thing with lilo - it just keeps the last two I believe. > > Back on Red Hat, i could 'rpm -iv' (install) a new kernel package rather > than 'rpm -Uv' (upgrade), and it would update grub's menu.lst and make > the new one the default without affecting the currently-installed one. > Is there an equivalent to this under Debian? Yes - you can either specify the latest to be the default, or you can have it remember the last one booted, and automatically select that. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:46:33 -0800, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam Watkins wrote: > > In what way does "ubuntu.org" have a terrorist agenda? > > Or does pacifist equate to terrorist in your dictionary? > > When a pacifist defends those who behead innocents on video tape is there > a difference? > > > "Terrorist" has become such a bull-shit word. > > No. Terrorist isn't used enough. In fact "Islamic Terrorist" isn't used > enough. People who behead other people with a machete so those being beheaded Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that Islam is responsible for their actions. It certainly implies it. You can and should never hold an entire religion responsible for the acts of a few of its fundamentalists. After all, Bush is a christian too, but that doesn't mean all christians agree with him blowing up children in the Middle East. > know what's happening the entire time aren't "insurgents", they're terrorists. > People who shoot unarmed, fleeing *children* are not "militants", they're > terrorists. You referring to the Israeli military or what? > > > The worst "terrorist" is America, with your depleted uranium > > "dirty-bombs" which you throw around at every opportunity, > > Cite? Outside of Hiroshima and Nagasaki I don't recall a detonation of > any atomic or nuclear device on any civilian population. In fact I don't even > recall any *threat* of it aside from the Cold War with the USSR. One would do > well to recall that it never went past a threat of it and America was not the > only party there. depleted uranium bombs are the socalled "bunker busters" we hear so much about. On explosion extremely small particles get dispersed in the air forming a real environmental and health hazard. Depleted uranium will obviously not be able to be detonated, it just helps getting in the bunker. Get a clue. > > > with your arms-companies selling land-mines to anyone who wants one, > > Never heard of that one. Even so chances are it is a decade or two old, > no? No. > > > with your "oil before people" capitalist mentality, > > Always love this one. People can never back it up. Besides given the > alternatives to capitalism shown around the world I'll take capitalism any day > of the week. You spew that work like it is dirty. Last I checked capitalism > is the only system of commerce in which both parties enter into it freely and > both can back out of it just as freely. Last time I checked as a way of life > it, thus far, has resulted in the lowest number of deaths trying to enforce > it's ideals exactly because it is cooperative and not zero-sum. Remind me > again the death toll of Stalin and Pol Pot? It's a fact that long before Bush gained power there were already groups of people (that would later make it into his government as his close advisors) clamoring for the invasion of Iraq. Their intended goal was "securing American intrests in the Middle East". If that's not about oil, I don't know what it's about. Certainly not about the good of the people. >[snip shock and awe] > > with your consumerism and obesity in a world where people are starving, > > Yeah, and? It's called responsibility. We happen to have figured out > the intricate workings of the condom. Rampant breeding and the expectation of > everyone else to take care of the resulting population has far more to do with > starvation than anything else. Look at the nations that aren't starving and > you see a common trend; low births per couple. In some nations it is so low > that the population will shrink. Less mouths to feed, more food per mouth. > Simple math. People in Africa could feed themselves if it weren't for the constant wars. How much this is our fault is something to be debated, but your basic premise is at least wrong. Might I also point out that Bush is trying to convince people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom, and not vice versa. Ask anyone with a bit of a clue in the matter and he'll tell you that the high births per couple is caused by low income and opportunity, not vice versa (more people can bring in more food). > > > with your "our lifestyle is more important than your life" mentality. > > No. Our *life* is more important to us than your life is to us. Just as > your life is more important to you than our life is. If it weren't then you > wouldn't have the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude that everyone else should forgo > their life just to pick up yours. I resent this attitude from a moral point of view. It is a biological imperative, nothing more. > > > Take a good look at your own country's agenda. > > I do, all the time. I compare it to the two-faced liars elsewhere and am > glad that, while we are far from perfect, we're far better than the majority > of the world. I mean let's face facts. America, deposed Saddam, handed over > the nation to the provisional government early and has t
Re: Strange LVM on RAID Behaviour with Sarge
Lucas Barbuto wrote: > ... > I get this error at the top of dmesg (repeated many times): > >> devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc I saw the same error message on a sarge installation with a 2.6.8-10 kernel, but not the 2.4.27 kernel. Recompiling the 2.6.8 kernel without devfs makes the problem go away. ie .config reads: # CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set I also rebuilt initrd.gz (with lvm2create_initrd.sh, see http://www.poochiereds.net/svn/lvm2/lvm2create_initrd) because the error seemed to relate to devfs initialisation at that stage of boot. Leni. Lucas Barbuto wrote: Hi All, Can someone explain this strange LVM2 on RAID-1 behaviour? I've recently made a fresh install of Sarge using a recent debian-installer (more recent than RC2). I've got two 80GB SATA drives. I've partitioned them as follows: 8 0 117220824 sda 8 1 32098 sda1 8 2 39062047 sda2 8 3 39062047 sda3 8 4 39062047 sda4 816 117220824 sdb 817 32098 sdb1 818 39062047 sdb2 819 39062047 sdb3 820 39062047 sdb4 With software RAID-1 between each of these partitions (sda1 + sda2 = md0 and so on). /dev/md0 (small) is for /boot. /dev/md1 and /dev/md2 are combined into a LVM2 volume group (vg0) and hold my other system partitions including the root partition. Another volume group (vg1) fills /dev/md3, I plan to use it for backup, or just as some space that I can use to grow my other partitions as needed. So everything installed fine with the 2.6 kernel (2.6.8-1-386) booting off RAID-1, all partitions except /boot in logical volumes. I get this error at the top of dmesg (repeated many times): devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc I don't know if that means anything... yesterday, I added another IDE device to the system and it showed up as /dev/hdd as I expected and I formatted it and copied some backup files onto it. Then I noticed that /dev/md3 was running in degraded mode, missing /dev/sda4. I was unable to hot-add the device back in: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo mdadm /dev/md3 -a /dev/sda4 mdadm: hot add failed for /dev/sda4: Invalid argument And I get this message on the console: md: trying to hot-add unknown-block(8,4) to md3 ... md: could not lock unknown-block(8,4). I did a lot of googling but didn't turn up much, except that maybe something else could be accessing the device? In the past I'd had an experience where the RAID hadn't started properly and LVM2 had started using the RAID member device as it's physical volumes. This didn't really make sense but I thought I'd try it. So I deleted my logical volume off vg1 and removed vg1 and magically, mdadm let me hot-add /dev/sda4 back in and happily started syncing it up... so I recreated the volume group and a logical volume and formatted and mounted it, all seemed to work fine... but I rebooted and /dev/md3 was back in degraded mode... and there was gnashing of teeth. So now I am stuck. Anyone? I thought I understood enough about RAID-1 and LVM2 but perhaps not. So is the LVM interfering by starting up before the md devices are ready? This only happens with md3, the others are working fine. Thanks, -- Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:33:56 +0100, Nicolas de Sereville
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> H. S. wrote:
>
> > Apparently, _Nicolas de Sereville_, on 24/12/04 05:13,typed:
> >
[...]
>
> However when I use pmount in a terminal as a normal user ("pmount"), it
> tells me:
> zsh: permission denied: pmount.
>
> Can someone having udev/hal/hotplug/gnome-volume-manager running check
> the permission of the pmount file. I have:
> -rwSr--r-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount
>
> I tried to make executable this file for everybody and then I can pmount
> manually the device (pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick) but it doesn't work
> automatically when I insert my stick.
>
> Well as you can see I am stuck, so any ideas are welcomed!
> Nico
>
ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 22520 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount*
Try reinstalling the "pmount" package, your permissions are strange,
missing execution bit...
Andrea
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Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: You missed on of the best: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of course :-) Ecclesiates 3:1-8 = bull What do you think "a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" means, then? I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:16:01 -0500, Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > >> You missed on of the best: > >> > >> "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under > >> the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and > >> a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to > >> heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and > >> a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast > >> away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, > >> and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; > >> a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to > >> sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a > >> time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." > > > > > > This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to > > question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - > > would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of > > course :-) > > > >> Ecclesiates 3:1-8 > > > > > > = bull > > > > > > What do you think "a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" means, > then? > > I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is > no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? > Uhm many wars were fought in the OT while in the NT Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. Off course this can be seen as a correction or a new development or whatever. In any case the views conflict. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Wim De Smet wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:46:33 -0800, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sam Watkins wrote: No. Terrorist isn't used enough. In fact "Islamic Terrorist" isn't used enough. People who behead other people with a machete so those being beheaded Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that Islam is responsible for their actions. It certainly implies it. You can and should never hold an entire religion responsible for the acts of a few of its fundamentalists. After all, Bush is a christian too, but that doesn't mean all christians agree with him blowing up children in the Middle East. The difference is this: 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the teachings of Mohammed and Islam. 2. Christians who commit terrorist acts are in direct opposition to the Bible and the Word of God. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Linux Functionality?
Tom Allison writes: > Initially everything was single user in the world of DOS and dial up > connectivity was the only way to really have an opportunity of getting a > virus. No. Initially there was no connectivity and the only way to get a virus was from an infected floppy disk. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Sarge with an Ensoniq Soundscape Elite ISA sound card
> > De: Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/12/28 mar. AM 12:14:14 GMT-05:00 > À: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Objet: Re: Sarge with an Ensoniq Soundscape Elite ISA sound card > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:10:08 +0100, Etienne Fontaine-Lavoie wrote: > > I still have alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No > > such device when I run Alsamixer. And I don't have any /dev/dsp of > > mixer or sequencer. They were there a few days ago but something > > happened (?). > > > Are the required sound device files all there? > > If you use devfs or udev then the devices will be created automatically. > If not then you may need to run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices. > > -- > Thomas Hood > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I use devfs. Here's what dmesg says after boot: devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) devfs: boot_options: 0x0 But during boot, it says it didn't find any device and devfs will be shutdown (or something like that). I used /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices and the devices were created but alsamixer still gives me the same message: Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found... I think the problem is that I use module-assistant to rebuild the alsa-module and it took the debian package instead of using the original source from Alsa. I will have to read more about make-mpkg to build alsa module without debian package. Is it possible to use module-assisant to do so by copying the alsa files in the right place? Also, I've notice that when I run alsaconf, it detects a soundblaster audigy LS and what I have installed is a Soundblaster Live! 24 bits. I thought the Live! needed the emu10k1 driver but alsaconf install the snd-audigy driver instead. Should I try to change that in the config files? Finally, since it's not about the Soundscape Elite card anymore, should I make a new thread? Thanks.
Re: How to access external USB hard drive?
> Do I need hotplug installed for the kernel to see the drive? It's > currently not installed. no, you shouldnt (although it is a good package), instead try a different kernel. (either compile your own from kernel.org or up/downgrade to either 2.6.7 or 2.6.9) -matt zagrabelny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Wim De Smet wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:16:01 -0500, Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: You missed on of the best: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of course :-) Ecclesiates 3:1-8 = bull What do you think "a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" means, then? I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? Uhm many wars were fought in the OT while in the NT Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. Off course this can be seen as a correction or a new development or whatever. In any case the views conflict. greets, Wim You are confusing the issue. Wars will be fought all throughout history: "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." Matthew 24:6-8 The "turn the other cheek" verse you are referring to is this: "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39 First of all, earlier in the same sermon, Jesus specifically states that he did not come do destroy Old Testament law: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18 Not only that, but if you read all of Matthew 5, you will see that the sermon is given in the context of interpersonal relationships and conflicts between individuals. Governments operate under different guidelines. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Missing character set "ISO8859-1"
On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 20:37 +0100, Bayrouni wrote: > Hello all, > > When I execute graphical program under kde in command line, I have this > warning: ( > Missing character set "ISO8859-1". ) > How can I fixe this? > i am unfamiliar with kde and that error message, have you tried googling for the error message? -matt zagrabelny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
saravanan ganapathy wrote: Thx Jonathan for ur help . I got the kernel(2.4.28) from kernel.org and started recompiling. My steps: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.28 cp /boot/config-2.4.18-smp .config edit .config and include CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y & CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y make-kpkg --revision=debian.2.4 kernel-image Then it prompts lot of questions like the format as CONFIG_SMP=y (y/n...) (NEW) What should I do for all these questions? Copy the kernel config file from /boot/config-`uname -r` to /usr/src/linux-2.4.28/.config then run "make oldconfig". This should only ask questions that need to be asked. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gmailfs
Hi, Has anyone already try GmailFS on debian ? Is there a way to find the packages needed by apt-get install gmailfs ? Dépend: fuse-utils (>= 2.0+2.1pre0) mais 1.3-1 devra être installé Dépend: python-fuse (>= 2.0+2.1pre0) mais 1.3-1 devra être installé The asked packages arn't available on 'unstable'... Does someone know where one could find it ? Thanks -- Marc
Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:33:56 +0100, Nicolas de Sereville
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
H. S. wrote:
Apparently, _Nicolas de Sereville_, on 24/12/04 05:13,typed:
[...]
However when I use pmount in a terminal as a normal user ("pmount"), it
tells me:
zsh: permission denied: pmount.
Can someone having udev/hal/hotplug/gnome-volume-manager running check
the permission of the pmount file. I have:
-rwSr--r-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount
I tried to make executable this file for everybody and then I can pmount
manually the device (pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick) but it doesn't work
automatically when I insert my stick.
Well as you can see I am stuck, so any ideas are welcomed!
Nico
ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 22520 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount*
Try reinstalling the "pmount" package, your permissions are strange,
missing execution bit...
Andrea
Hi, thank you for your help,
I reinstalled the "pmount", "gnome-volume-manager" and
"gnome-desktop-environement" packages. Now I have:
ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount*
But the icon of my stick is still not appearing when I plug it in.
However I can pmount it manually with:
pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick
with the following warning:
Warning: device /dev/gyp-cl-usb is already handled by /etc/fstab,
supplied label is ignored
The devices nodes are well created and the permissions are the following:
ls -l /dev/gyp*
brw-rw 1 root hal 8, 0 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-sda
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-usb -> gyp-cl-sda
Am I missing something? Which logs can I check to see what's wrong with
pmount? Is it a problem of the gnome-volume-manager?
Nico
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Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 09:22 -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: --snip-- > The difference is this: > > 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the > teachings of Mohammed and Islam. > 2. Christians who commit terrorist acts are in direct opposition to > the Bible and the Word of God. I've read through the English text of the Quran 3 times, and while I've always heard that it's not the same as reading it in the original Arabic I would imagine that the difference in translation would not be great enough to leave out the bit about killing innocents. People will often scan through a single passage and think that it implies that it's ok to kill anyone who is a heathen. But the Quran specifically states that only those who would attack you, persecute you, or drive you from your homes are to be killed. "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." And I would add that the Islamic world has never done anything on the order of the Crusades... those carried out by so called God-fearing men who respect the bible. War mongers are war mongers regardless of which religion they practice and should be treated as such. p.s. Just for the record, I am not a Muslim. I'm a very happy atheist who disbelieves in God and Allah equally among all the other deities out there. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: resolv.conf
Dear John & Dani, After running pppconfig and answer the questions, here is what I got from : # pon # plog - Dec 28 22:02:38 localhost pppd[2235]: pppd 2.4.2 started by root, uid 0 Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (BUSY) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (VOICE) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (DELAYED) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: send (ATZ^M) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: expect (OK) -- And here is I got from : # poff # plog -- Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on (DELAYED) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: send (ATZ^M) Dec 28 22:02:39 localhost pppd[2236]: expect (OK) Dec 28 22:02:58 localhost pppd[2235]: Terminating on signal 15 Dec 28 22:02:58 localhost pppd[2236]: abort on SIGTERM Dec 28 22:02:58 localhost pppd[2235]: Connect script failed Dec 28 22:02:59 localhost pppd[2235]: Exit. - Next advice would be appreciated Regards. Endianto, newbie > Junk KPPP. Run pppconfig as root and answer the questions. Then start the > connection with pon and stop it with poff. If you must have a GUI install > gpppon, which is a GUI for pon and poff. > -- > John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:46:34 +0100, Nicolas de Sereville
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
[...]
> Hi, thank you for your help,
>
> I reinstalled the "pmount", "gnome-volume-manager" and
> "gnome-desktop-environement" packages. Now I have:
> ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
> -rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount*
>
> But the icon of my stick is still not appearing when I plug it in.
> However I can pmount it manually with:
> pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick
> with the following warning:
> Warning: device /dev/gyp-cl-usb is already handled by /etc/fstab,
> supplied label is ignored
>
> The devices nodes are well created and the permissions are the following:
> ls -l /dev/gyp*
> brw-rw 1 root hal 8, 0 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-sda
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-usb -> gyp-cl-sda
>
> Am I missing something? Which logs can I check to see what's wrong with
> pmount? Is it a problem of the gnome-volume-manager?
>
Do you have all the needed packages ("udev" "hal" "fam" etc.)? Also,
look in /etc/udev/rules.d for a symlink to /etc/udev/hal.rules...
Andrea
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Re: gmailfs
Has anyone already try GmailFS on debian ? Is there a way to find the packages needed by apt-get install gmailfs ? Dépend: fuse-utils (>= 2.0+2.1pre0) mais 1.3-1 devra être installé Dépend: python-fuse (>= 2.0+2.1pre0) mais 1.3-1 devra être installé The asked packages arn't available on 'unstable'... Does someone know where one could find it ? Give apt-get.org a try Cheers, George -- George Iordanou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blog: www.livejournal.com/users/georgis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 09:40:33AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Ecclesiates 3:1-8 > >>>= bull > >>What do you think "a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" means, > >>then? > >> > >>I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is > >>no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? > >Uhm many wars were fought in the OT while in the NT Jesus tells us to > >turn the other cheek. Off course this can be seen as a correction or a > You are confusing the issue. Wars will be fought all throughout > history: > > "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not > troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not > yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: > and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers > places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." Matthew 24:6-8 This is a big part of the problem: That each screams reading their own particular book, assuming that book to be the "non plus ultra", and since there are so many such books, plus so many different interpretations of the same book, there is a feaking soup on this planet, where all are killing all in the name of pitiful little books, or under their cover and pretext. Usually elites pursue their own selfish interests, blinding the masses with these books. Because, how else would they fight a war? They need the masses, they will not go to war, even when dared to a personal duel, because they are essentially afraid. This fear is what compels them to try to acquire what doesn't belong to them. This fear is what makes them go to war. The best way to go to war is by having a population idiotized through this kind of books. Hence in times of wisdom, attempts are made to separate these books from the social life, and in times when the elite needs or wants war, these books are brought to the forefront of the consciousness of the fighting nation. Hence so much bullshit spoken in this thread. Because this is a time of war. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gmailfs
> Give apt-get.org a try Yep, already done... But nothing found ... I should have mention it in my first message. Thanks for the reply ! -- Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script to temporarily "open" port
David Baron wrote: A home system with an email server, i.e. exim, need not lay "exposed" 24/7. Is there a way to write script to open a port such as SMTP/25 periodically for a certain amount of time, check for activity, wait till free and then close it. This would be a cron'ed equivalent of bringing up Guarddog or some other IPtables interface, enabling access, waiting a while and seeing no (or no more) activity, bringing it up again and disabling access. use cron and iptables for it Allow new connection wait 10/15 mins forbid new connections but still allow established ones on port 25 Am I wrong? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wim De Smet wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:46:33 -0800, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Sam Watkins wrote: >>> No. Terrorist isn't used enough. In fact "Islamic Terrorist" isn't >>> used >>>enough. People who behead other people with a machete so those being >>>beheaded >> >> >> Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that >> Islam is responsible for their actions. It certainly implies it. You >> can and should never hold an entire religion responsible for the acts >> of a few of its fundamentalists. After all, Bush is a christian too, >> but that doesn't mean all christians agree with him blowing up >> children in the Middle East. >> > The difference is this: > > 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the > teachings of Mohammed and Islam. Racist bollocks, the Quran no more sanctions terrorism than the the bible does, there are passages in it about the automatic ascension to paradise of martyrs who die defending Islam from infidels, true. But there are also notable and strongly worded passages in it about respecting the other "people of the book"[1] and treating them as brothers. > 2. Christians who commit terrorist acts are in direct opposition to > the Bible and the Word of God. Christianit and Islam have many of the same tenets and both have the same possibilities of being peaceful benign and tolerant religions, that neither have acheived this is a great pity and one of the very good arguments against religion of any kind[2]. [1] Jews and Christians. [2] Aside from the fact that, IMO, its all bollocks. -- James jamesk[at]homeric[dot]co[dot]uk (On going to war over religion) -- "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -Yasir Arafat (PLO leader) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: resolv.conf
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:21:50PM +0700, Endianto wrote: Hi Endianto, looks like your modem is never even dialing... :/ Is there any pppd error after some time? Normally pppd gives you an exit code which you can look up in "man pppd". If your modem setup was correct it would look something like that: Dec 25 22:39:57 snoopy pppd[1893]: pppd 2.4.2 started by dani, uid 1000 Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (BUSY) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (VOICE) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: abort on (DELAYED) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: send (ATZ^M) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: send (ATM0L0^M) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: expect (OK) Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: ATZ^M^M Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: OK Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: -- got it Dec 25 22:39:58 snoopy chat[1898]: send (ATDT019102345^M) Dec 25 22:39:59 snoopy chat[1898]: expect (CONNECT) Dec 25 22:39:59 snoopy chat[1898]: ^M Dec 25 22:40:24 snoopy chat[1898]: ATDT019102345^M^M Dec 25 22:40:24 snoopy chat[1898]: CONNECT Dec 25 22:40:24 snoopy chat[1898]: -- got it Dec 25 22:40:24 snoopy chat[1898]: send (\d) Dec 25 22:40:25 snoopy pppd[1893]: Serial connection established. Dec 25 22:40:26 snoopy pppd[1893]: using channel 1 Dec 25 22:40:26 snoopy pppd[1893]: Using interface ppp0 Dec 25 22:40:26 snoopy pppd[1893]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem So... what are your modem settings? Can you query your modem? Do you happen to have something like a WinModem? grZ Dani signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Script to temporarily "open" port
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 16:39 +0100, Laurent CARON wrote: > David Baron wrote: > > >A home system with an email server, i.e. exim, need not lay "exposed" 24/7. > >Is > >there a way to write script to open a port such as SMTP/25 periodically for > >a > >certain amount of time, check for activity, wait till free and then close it. > > > >This would be a cron'ed equivalent of bringing up Guarddog or some other > >IPtables interface, enabling access, waiting a while and seeing no (or no > >more) activity, bringing it up again and disabling access. > > > > > > > > > use cron and iptables for it > > Allow new connection > wait 10/15 mins > forbid new connections but still allow established ones on port 25 Or you could just set up knockd on the box. It will be a lot safer since the port will only be opened when you request it with a particular knock sequence. With a cron job that port will end up being open to the world at particular times, regardless of who initiated the request. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Script to temporarily "open" port
Alex Malinovich wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 16:39 +0100, Laurent CARON wrote: David Baron wrote: A home system with an email server, i.e. exim, need not lay "exposed" 24/7. Is there a way to write script to open a port such as SMTP/25 periodically for a certain amount of time, check for activity, wait till free and then close it. This would be a cron'ed equivalent of bringing up Guarddog or some other IPtables interface, enabling access, waiting a while and seeing no (or no more) activity, bringing it up again and disabling access. use cron and iptables for it Allow new connection wait 10/15 mins forbid new connections but still allow established ones on port 25 Or you could just set up knockd on the box. It will be a lot safer since the port will only be opened when you request it with a particular knock sequence. With a cron job that port will end up being open to the world at particular times, regardless of who initiated the request. Knockd is IMHO useful to protect ports on which you want to connect occasionnaly. Cron can do the job for such a simple iptables command My 2€ Cents ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(update) HP DL380 G4 and kernel 2.6.x boot problems. (testing)
Ian Meyer wrote: Ian Meyer wrote: Greg Madden wrote: On Wednesday 22 December 2004 06:20 pm, Ian Meyer wrote: Hello, I am trying to get our system to boot using kernel-image-2.6.8-1-i686-smp and kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp with no luck. Both panic with the message very similar to this (can't cut and paste anything since I'm working on the console) pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init 424 cannot open dev/console kernel panic: Attempted to kill init So I tried compiling my own kernel 2.6.9 (I have no problems with kernel compilation, but since this happens with the Debian kernel images, something else must be wonky with 2.6.x) Now I get: Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,1) The hardware is: 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz 5GB RAM ServerWorks 6i RAID controller (following is the lspci -v section) :04:03.0 RAID bus controller: Compaq Computer Corporation Smart Array 64xx (rev 01) Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation: Unknown device 4091 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 51 Memory at fdff (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] I/O ports at 4000 [size=256] Memory at fdf8 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=256K] Capabilities: We have 1 36GB disk for the time being to just get the base system working.. which does work correctly with the stock testing kernel. 2.4.27 I believe. Anyhow, I'm not sure what would be the problem and what other information would be useful for you to have. If you think of anything, ask away. Oh, this is what is in /var/log/messages from boot: cciss: Device 0x46 has been found at bus 4 dev 3 func 0 blocks= 71122560 block_size= 512 heads= 255, sectors= 32, cylinders= 8716 RAID 0 blk: queue c036ad60, I/O limit 4294967295Mb (mask 0x) Partition check: cciss/c0d0: p1 p2 < p5 > I do remember the cciss/c0d0: p1 p2 < p5 > line being different.. something along the lines of /dev/cciss/host0/target0: p1 p2 < p5 > That's all for now and thank you, in advance. Ian I have had some of your error messages using the Grub boot loader, on a hardware raid 5 setup. Not sure if this is relevant but I switched to lilo and all was okay. That was my next change, using Lilo instead of Grub. I will try that and see how it goes. Thanks! I tried Lilo instead of Grub and still came up with the same error. - Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,1) (sad there isn't a choice as to which bootloader you want to use after install, but that's besides the point) So now I am going to compile 2.6.10 myself and try that but my guess is it will be the same story. Thanks for all the help so far, Ian I finally was able to get everything working correctly after compiling kernel 2.6.10. I think my error was having ext3 built as a module, though I swear it was built static. Might have been a keystroke error on my part. Either way, it worked after that. For those who gave me ideas, thank you. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim4. When smarthost fails
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 16:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can't tell without more info. Whats in mainlog/reject log re these > messages? > > Whats in your exim4.conf Once messages were unfrozen, the error messages are: ... R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host after exim_tinydb, no more freezeups but: ...R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (110): Connection timed out These occurred repeatedly for each message as send was retried. The /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf file is: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf # # Edit this file and /etc/mailname by hand and execute update-exim4.conf # yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost' dc_other_hostnames='' dc_local_interfaces='' dc_readhost='my.domain.net' dc_relay_domains='' dc_minimaldns='false' dc_relay_nets='' dc_smarthost='provider.domain.net' CFILEMODE='644' dc_use_split_config='true' dc_hide_mailname='true' [I placed dummy domain names for illustration. I go thing working by changing 'smarthost' to 'internet'.
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Okay, folks; perhaps it's time to start tapering off (or quitting cold-turkey) with this very off-topic, non-Debian-related thread? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Functionality?
John Hasler wrote: No. Initially there was no connectivity and the only way to get a virus was from an infected floppy disk. *cough*BBSes*cough*Fido-Net*cough* I remember having a 300bps modem well in advance of any virus back in the day of the C=64, the CoCo and the Amiga. ;P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Script to temporarily "open" port
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 17:39, Laurent CARON wrote: > >A home system with an email server, i.e. exim, need not lay "exposed" > > 24/7. Is there a way to write script to open a port such as SMTP/25 > > periodically for a certain amount of time, check for activity, wait till > > free and then close it. > > > >This would be a cron'ed equivalent of bringing up Guarddog or some other > >IPtables interface, enabling access, waiting a while and seeing no (or no > >more) activity, bringing it up again and disabling access. > > > > > > > > use cron and iptables for it > > Allow new connection > wait 10/15 mins > forbid new connections but still allow established ones on port 25 > > Am I wrong? What I had in mind. I use IPTables through a UI. The man pages show me nothing clear how to do the two function cited here. Please point me in the right direction :-)
emacs dies in latest sarge
Never thought this would happen! I just updated my srage system yesterday (December 27). Todey I tried editing an ordinary text file. Emacs crashes after I enter about one line of text. After restarting it, id dies instantly. It just has time to flash its window onto the screen, and then the window vanishes. I'm running all this under KDE, starting emacs from the command line as emacs think & The file think is on a remote NFS-mounted volume. more has no trouble reading the file. I guess I go back to the woody I keep on another partition. Any other suggestions? -- hendrik Actually, I'm not quite sure whether I have set my machin up to track sarge ot testing -- but I believe at the moment these are the same. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 01:22, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > The difference is this: > > 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the > teachings of Mohammed and Islam. > 2. Christians who commit terrorist acts are in direct opposition to > the Bible and the Word of God. Quite clearly you have not really read any of it. Abraham was a psychotic, just like any other pyscho that decides to kill a child. Moses was a political leader and a liar. As no doubt Mohammed. And so too that moron George W Bush. The entire thing is bullshit. I say that not as an atheist or any other kind of theist. Terrorism from any side is simply wrong. It's no surprise that Bush and the Bin Laden family are so close, they suffer from the samer lunacy. Bob Parker > > -Roberto Sanchez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multiple installed kernel-image packages?
Hi Paul, Paul Gear wrote: > A quick question: is there a way to get apt to install new > kernel-image packages rather than upgrade them, and keep the existing > kernel-image package installed as well? > > Back on Red Hat, i could 'rpm -iv' (install) a new kernel package > rather than 'rpm -Uv' (upgrade), and it would update grub's menu.lst > and make the new one the default without affecting the > currently-installed one. Is there an equivalent to this under Debian? If you are asking whether you can install (for instance) kernel 2.6.8, kernel 2.6.9, and kernel 2.6.9 compiled for SMP all at once, the answer is yes. In fact this is the default behavior. This is because Debian provides kernel versions as different packages, not as different versions of the same package. They have no files in common so, assuming you're using a modern Intel chip, it should be as easy as: # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686 # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686-smp As a corollary, if you are currently using kernel 2.6.8 and want to upgrade to 2.6.9, you will have to explicitly ask APT to install kernel 2.6.9, because "apt-get upgrade" will not do the trick. Likewise you will have to explicitly remove any old kernels that you are no longer using. However there are often several Debian revisions of each kernel version; so "apt-get upgrade" WILL upgrade you from Debian release 2.6.8-6 to 2.6.8-7. Needless to say, you CANNOT install two Debian releases of the same kernel version at the same time. For the sake of completeness, in case you aren't already aware: the "-1" in the package names is a result of the kernel ABI in Debian packages changing at some point in the past, and the "-686" or "-686-smp" suffix tells you the "subarchitecture" of CPU for which the package was compiled. Running "grep-available -FProvides -sPackage kernel-image" will give you a list of kernel packages known to APT on your architecture. (The grep-available command is in the grep-dctrl package.) regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG public key ID: 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to retrieve debconf defaults?
is there some way to make debconf forget about previous choices (and use first install defaults) when running dpkg-reconfigure foo? thanks, Leonardo Canducci -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge box not rebooting..
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:40:48 +0100, Robert Waldner writes:
>>>Hmm, can it be that killall5 doesn't actually manage to *not* kill
>>> itself?
>>Ofcourse it goes through great lengths to do exactly that - NOT
>>kill itself. It kills all processes _except_ itself and its
>>caller.
>Any hints on what it _could_ be, or on what I can do to further narrow
> down the problem?
Well, I expanded killall5.c with a couple printf's:
...
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
...
signal(SIGTERM, SIG_IGN);
signal(SIGSTOP, SIG_IGN);
signal(SIGKILL, SIG_IGN);
/* Now stop all processes. */
// changes rw
printf("now doing kill(-1, SIGSTOP);\n");
kill(-1, SIGSTOP);
sent_sigstop = 1;
printf("done with kill(-1, SIGSTOP);\n");
...
and the last thing I see on the console is the first printf.
Screenshot (thanks to iLO) at
http://www.waldner.priv.at/temp/killall5.jpg
So to me it seems like "signal(SIGSTOP, SIG_IGN);" either isn't
honored, and killall5 itself killed, or else it kills something else
essential, but what could that be?
Plus, I've discovered 3 other boxen, various DL360/380, with the same
problem. Isn't there anyone else with Compaq/HP gear and this problem?
cheers,
&rw
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Re: Script to temporarily "open" port
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 17:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Or you could just set up knockd on the box. It will be a lot safer since > the port will only be opened when you request it with a particular knock > sequence. With a cron job that port will end up being open to the world > at particular times, regardless of who initiated the request. An intriguing little package, is it not? Just installed it. Now ... It gives you one example for ssh (which is also quite useful) but I do not understand those 7000,8000,9 numerical sequences nor how I would simply call a set [...SMTP] for port 25 and what to change. The only thing sort of clear are the iptables commands being executed. Also, if I am enabling a "periodic/sporadic" email server on my box, who is the knocker? I am "opening" the port to receive email. I do not need to do this to send. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 GB RAM support in woody
saravanan ganapathy wrote: > I installed woody on my dual processor,2 GB RAM > server. I have enabled smp support by installing > kernel-image-2.4.18-smp. Now it shows dual processor. > But the os detects my RAM as 900 MB only. How do I > enable the os to detect actual RAM(2 GB)? Which architecture? IIRC, the 686 and 686-smp kernels have HIMEM support compiled in. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim4: Hide local mail name in outgoing mail. domainname for dsl user
is that a good choice for a standalone pc with dsl fulltime internet access configured as "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail"? shouldn't the same task be handled by /etc/email-addresses file? one more question: shuld such a pc (connected via a dsl provider) have a domain name if I don't have any registered domain such as foo.org? would it make sense using my provider's domain name (even if my email address is not [EMAIL PROTECTED])? in other words, what's the right answer for "domain-name" question when configuring netbase package in such a case? thanks. Leonardo Canducci -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:46:34 +0100, Nicolas de Sereville
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
Hi, thank you for your help,
I reinstalled the "pmount", "gnome-volume-manager" and
"gnome-desktop-environement" packages. Now I have:
ls -l /usr/bin/pmount
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 22K 2004-12-16 19:24 /usr/bin/pmount*
But the icon of my stick is still not appearing when I plug it in.
However I can pmount it manually with:
pmount /dev/gyp-cl-usb /stick
with the following warning:
Warning: device /dev/gyp-cl-usb is already handled by /etc/fstab,
supplied label is ignored
The devices nodes are well created and the permissions are the following:
ls -l /dev/gyp*
brw-rw 1 root hal 8, 0 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-sda
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2004-12-28 15:35 /dev/gyp-cl-usb -> gyp-cl-sda
Am I missing something? Which logs can I check to see what's wrong with
pmount? Is it a problem of the gnome-volume-manager?
Do you have all the needed packages ("udev" "hal" "fam" etc.)? Also,
look in /etc/udev/rules.d for a symlink to /etc/udev/hal.rules...
Andrea
I reinstalled the "udev" and "hal" packages and I have the "fam" package:
ii fam2.7.0-6File Alteration Monitor
It doesn't change anything, the icons still don't appear :-(
Also,
ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d
total 1,0K
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2004-12-28 17:02 cd-aliases.rules ->
../cd-aliases.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 843 2004-12-26 00:14 gyp_udev.rules
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2004-12-28 17:02 udev.rules -> ../udev.rules
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2004-12-28 17:02 z_hal-plugdev.rules ->
../hal.rules
But now I manage to get automatically an icon for my camera and stick
when I start an Xsession as root! :-) So I guess I have a problem of
groups or permission.
Any ideas of what I can further check?
Now I will make a detail comparison of the logs when I am root or not.
Thank you,
Nico
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Re: permissions with udev/pmount?
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:42:40 +0100, Nicolas de Sereville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > I reinstalled the "udev" and "hal" packages and I have the "fam" package: > ii fam2.7.0-6File Alteration Monitor > > It doesn't change anything, the icons still don't appear :-( > > Also, > ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d > total 1,0K > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2004-12-28 17:02 cd-aliases.rules -> > ../cd-aliases.rules > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 843 2004-12-26 00:14 gyp_udev.rules > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2004-12-28 17:02 udev.rules -> ../udev.rules > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2004-12-28 17:02 z_hal-plugdev.rules -> > ../hal.rules > Don't know about "gyp_udev.rules" but the rest seems ok. > > But now I manage to get automatically an icon for my camera and stick > when I start an Xsession as root! :-) So I guess I have a problem of > groups or permission. > > Any ideas of what I can further check? > > Now I will make a detail comparison of the logs when I am root or not. > > Thank you, I can only suggest to check if your user is in the "plugdev" group, nothing more... Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: instaleren op 486 met 128 mb hd
I want to instal colinux with debian could you please help me I am using a windows 2000 pro it seems like the image file doesn't load I want to use linux I have been trying for 2 weeks now this sucks but I am not giving up
Re: Sarge box not rebooting..
On 2004.12.28 17:42, Robert Waldner wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:40:48 +0100, Robert Waldner writes:
>>>Hmm, can it be that killall5 doesn't actually manage to *not* kill
>>> itself?
>>Ofcourse it goes through great lengths to do exactly that - NOT
>>kill itself. It kills all processes _except_ itself and its
>>caller.
>Any hints on what it _could_ be, or on what I can do to further narrow
> down the problem?
Well, I expanded killall5.c with a couple printf's:
...
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
...
signal(SIGTERM, SIG_IGN);
signal(SIGSTOP, SIG_IGN);
signal(SIGKILL, SIG_IGN);
/* Now stop all processes. */
// changes rw
printf("now doing kill(-1, SIGSTOP);\n");
kill(-1, SIGSTOP);
sent_sigstop = 1;
printf("done with kill(-1, SIGSTOP);\n");
...
and the last thing I see on the console is the first printf.
Screenshot (thanks to iLO) at
http://www.waldner.priv.at/temp/killall5.jpg
So to me it seems like "signal(SIGSTOP, SIG_IGN);" either isn't
honored, and killall5 itself killed, or else it kills something else
essential, but what could that be?
No, kill(-1, SIGWHATEVER) is guaranteed to kill all processes
/except/ the caller. "man 2 kill" on any unix/linux box. What kernel
are you using, this might be a kernel bug. Is this an i386 or
another architecture ?
(You're not running bootlogd somehow at shutdown time are you ?)
Plus, I've discovered 3 other boxen, various DL360/380, with the same
problem. Isn't there anyone else with Compaq/HP gear and this problem?
I doubt it is compaq specific, but there must be something else
out of the ordinary here or everybody would have this problem.
Mike.
Re: distro maker...
Hi, I'm interested in make a linux distro based on debian, just like as ubuntu, knoppix or libranet does. Can someone give me reference..howto..URL link of how to do that ? any kind help will appriciated Try the deb pkg, dfsbuild. Or morphix is a highly configurable roll-your-own-distro. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge box not rebooting..
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:02:16 GMT, Miquel van Smoorenburg writes: >> So to me it seems like "signal(SIGSTOP, SIG_IGN);" either isn't >> honored, and killall5 itself killed, or else it kills something else >> essential, but what could that be? >No, kill(-1, SIGWHATEVER) is guaranteed to kill all processes >/except/ the caller. "man 2 kill" on any unix/linux box. What kernel >are you using, this might be a kernel bug. Is this an i386 or >another architecture ? 2.4.27, from kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386, i386 arch, straight Sarge from d-i RC2, `apt-get upgrade` up-to-date as of now. >(You're not running bootlogd somehow at shutdown time are you ?) Nope, only klogd is still running (I've put an `ps ax | grep log` right before the first killall5 call into sendsigs). >> Plus, I've discovered 3 other boxen, various DL360/380, with the same >> problem. Isn't there anyone else with Compaq/HP gear and this problem? >I doubt it is compaq specific, but there must be something else >out of the ordinary here or everybody would have this problem. If only I had any idea on what it could be :( I've put more info (`dpkg -l`, `ps auxwww`, cpuinfo, meminfo, lsmod) at http://www.waldner.priv.at/temp/machine.txt (it'd make for one long email otherwise). cheers, &rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / pgp7l1c6LYEM9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: exim4: Hide local mail name in outgoing mail. domainname for dsl user
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:41:05 +0100, Leonardo Canducci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is that a good choice for a standalone pc with dsl fulltime internet > access configured as "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or > fetchmail"? > shouldn't the same task be handled by /etc/email-addresses file? > The first. > one more question: shuld such a pc (connected via a dsl provider) have a > domain name if I don't have any registered domain such as foo.org? > would it make sense using my provider's domain name (even if my email > address is not [EMAIL PROTECTED])? > in other words, what's the right answer for "domain-name" question when > configuring netbase package in such a case? > If you don't have a registered FQDN, put a bogus one, like "foo.org", it will only used for local e-mail deliver, for example cron output. You can use your DSL provider as a mail relay, but remember to set in your MUA the "reply to:" field to your assigned e-mail address, or fiddle with your MTA envelope rewriting rules... Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Wim De Smet wrote: Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that Islam is responsible for their actions. Facts are facts. Outside of a few isolated incidents with the Irish where has the majority of terrorism come from in the past several decades? Hell, outside a few isolated Irish incidents where has *ALL* terrorism come from? know what's happening the entire time aren't "insurgents", they're terrorists. People who shoot unarmed, fleeing *children* are not "militants", they're terrorists. You referring to the Israeli military or what? No. The Beslan school that was taken over and occupied by Islamic Terrorists, oh, sorry, "Chechen Rebels". URL for the clueless: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3636818.stm It's a fact that long before Bush gained power there were already groups of people (that would later make it into his government as his close advisors) clamoring for the invasion of Iraq. Their intended goal was "securing American intrests in the Middle East". If that's not about oil, I don't know what it's about. Certainly not about the good of the people. Then answer me this simple question. Where's the pipeline in Afghanistan? Better yet why isn't America implicated in the oil-for-food scam if it were all about oil? People are so quick to make rash claims of "It's the oil, it's the oil!" but never remember that the past several times they claimed it it didn't pan out. People in Africa could feed themselves if it weren't for the constant wars. And whose fault are those wars? Are you now implying that somehow the USA is inciting genocide on a mass scale? BTW, you did read up on the report that population bulges are a prime indicator of fundementalism and conflicts, right? :P How much this is our fault is something to be debated, but your basic premise is at least wrong. Not in the slightest. > Might I also point out that Bush is trying to convince people in foreign > countries _not_ to use a condom, No, he's not. He cut federal funding. Show me where it is our responsibility to subsidize the worlds condom use and I'll be right there with ya. Granted, he did it for the wrong reason but that's hardly "convincing people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom." If people in foreign countries are so mindless as to care what the president of the US thinks they should do with their dangly bits they have far more problems than I imagine. Ask anyone with a bit of a clue in the matter and he'll tell you that the high births per couple is caused by low income and opportunity, not vice versa (more people can bring in more food). Oh, I'm well aware of that. However I am also quite aware that the human animal is capable of overriding it's biological imperatives. Just because higher birth rates are associated with those factors does not mean those factors automatically cause births. The people in question can choose not to bear more children then their local food stocks can feed. No. Our *life* is more important to us than your life is to us. Just as your life is more important to you than our life is. If it weren't then you wouldn't have the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude that everyone else should forgo their life just to pick up yours. I resent this attitude from a moral point of view. It is a biological imperative, nothing more. See above. Regardless I do not see laziness and a sense of entitlement as biological imperative. There was no UN support specifically for military action. Bull. I believe it was UN resolution 687 back in 1990/91 which laid out what Iraq must and must not do. Either that resolution or one it references, both of which were still in effect, authorized the use of military force. Since that resolution 12-15 more (I forget the exact number) in the intervening decaded _reaffirmed_ that military force *by any member state* was authorized to uphold those resolutions. The reason that there never was any UN resolutions aganist actions is > that the US would've vetoed those anyway and nobody wants to piss off > the US. Uh-huh. You're telling me that France, which has no qualms about pissing off the US, wouldn't've set forth a motion for repremands even to get it as a matter of record, EVEN if it is vetoed? Apparently you have no clue about the inner workings of the UN, it would be best to just shut up about it and continue working on your educational system. Apparently I have some clue since I knew that military force was authorized. But then the inner workings of the UN can be summed up in one word: corrupt. Any organization that is directly responsible for the slaughter in Rwanda and Bosnia(1), culpable in the oil-for-food scam which had who knows how much damage in Iraq, reaffirmed that terrorism is a legal action(2) and somehow appointed Syria to the Human Rights council can only be catagorized as corrupt. Also, if I recall correctly the reason for invas
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Roberto Sanchez wrote: 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the teachings of Mohammed and Islam. Well not entirely true. While terrorism in and of itself is laid out there are rules to it. Rules like non-combatants are not to be harmed, innocents will be spared (and converted, etc). The radical fundimentalists are acting upon the deed they are allowed to do but ignoring the rules by which they are supposed to do it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 06:22 am, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > The difference is this: > > 1. Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so in *compliance* with the > teachings of Mohammed and Islam. > 2. Christians who commit terrorist acts are in direct opposition to > the Bible and the Word of God. There is no difference, though! This is history repeating itself because some people refuse to learn from the past (or even really bothered to do some basic research that would have lead them to the conclusion that Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have the same God). Both religions teach that you should be nice to other people, hate the sin, not the sinner and what not. Both religions have their wingnuts out there twisting and warping the religion to their own political goals. The Christians had this with the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. It just happens the wingnut-flavor-of-the-week happens to be Islamic this time around. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgppgA4qdjSIJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Correct syntax for mkinitrd command?
Andrew, I believe if you compile the kernel "the debian way" as they like to say on this list. your job is a lot easier. after configuring your kernel instead of make bzimage, do make-kpg --initrd -rev 1 kernel_image *Note you need to have the appropriate packages installed. then cd .. dpkg -i this will install the kernel for you and add appropriate entries in lilo or grub. Paul Andrew Konosky wrote: I am trying to compile a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel and I have configured it and compiled it, but the mkinitrd syntax is different from the one I am used to in Fedora. My kernel modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.9custom and I want to create an initrd image in /boot/initrd-2.6.9_custom.img. I ran this and it created an initrd image, but when I boot I get a kernel panic because the root f/s cannot be mounted: #: mkinitrd -k -o /boot/initrd-2.6.9_custom.img -r /dev/hda4 2.6.9custom What is the correct syntax for the command then? Also, I use an ext2 root partition and have that compiled as built-in instead of a module, but which device drivers do I need to compile built-in so I don't need an initrd image? Just IDE, or do I need northbridge, southbridge, PCI & USB controllers, etc...? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs dies in latest sarge
Hendrik Boom wrote: Never thought this would happen! I just updated my srage system yesterday (December 27). Todey I tried editing an ordinary text file. Emacs crashes after I enter about one line of text. After restarting it, id dies instantly. It just has time to flash its window onto the screen, and then the window vanishes. I'm running all this under KDE, starting emacs from the command line as emacs think & The file think is on a remote NFS-mounted volume. more has no trouble reading the file. I guess I go back to the woody I keep on another partition. Any other suggestions? I rebooted, and it works now. Strange. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Correct syntax for mkinitrd command?
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:43:10PM -0500, Paul Tsai wrote: > Andrew, > I believe if you compile the kernel "the debian way" as they like to > say on this list. your job is a lot easier. > > after configuring your kernel instead of make bzimage, do > make-kpg --initrd -rev 1 kernel_image Typo should be "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package) -- Chris Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- GNU/Linux --- The best things in life are free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: the pain with crosslink cables
I have one of those D-Link USB network interfaces, which are wonderful. Plug it in, get a regular 10/100 Ethernet interface, supported by Linux and working just fine. However, right now I am in dire need to establish a link between two machines, and my beloved ethernet cable will, of course, not do the trick, and a hub is nowhere to be found. I used to have a crosslink cable too, but those things tend to grow legs very quickly, and all of the ones I've ever had always did. What I really want is a USB-attachable network interface that has a crosslink/normal switch, or automatically tries one after the other to find a link. Do you know if such a device exists? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
Roberto Sanchez wrote: I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? Y'know, I was going to pick a few examples but after about 10 pages I decided just to give you the link to enjoy: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml My personal favorite is God's anger not being everlasting yet there is a special place where those he are angry with go to forever. *snork* -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: the best solution to have a presentation support movie,text,graphics , background music under debian sarge.
> > I have a debian sarge (or for woody) , I would like to make a > presentation channel ,something like a slideshow supports pictures , > text, movie with animation as non stop information , maybe also > source of the camera inside this presentation , so what is the best > solution ( software ...etc) to do that under my system . you could try magic point. (package name 'mgp') -matt zagrabelny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim4. When smarthost fails
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 15:34, David Baron wrote: > Once messages were unfrozen, the error messages are: > ... R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached > for any host > > after exim_tinydb, no more freezeups but: > ...R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (110): Connection timed out > > These occurred repeatedly for each message as send was retried. It looks to me as though your isp is rejecting your mail for some reason (or you are failing to connect). Is there a firewall blocking you, or dns not giving the right ip address or something like that. > > The /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf file is: > /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf > # > # Edit this file and /etc/mailname by hand and execute update-exim4.conf > # yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' > > dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost' > dc_other_hostnames='' > dc_local_interfaces='' > dc_readhost='my.domain.net' > dc_relay_domains='' > dc_minimaldns='false' > dc_relay_nets='' > dc_smarthost='provider.domain.net' > CFILEMODE='644' > dc_use_split_config='true' > dc_hide_mailname='true' > > [I placed dummy domain names for illustration. I go thing working by > changing 'smarthost' to 'internet'. Sorry, I can't interpret this lot as I made my own exim4.conf by hand - so not sure how these work. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: the pain with crosslink cables
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 10:13 am, martin f krafft wrote: > What I really want is a USB-attachable network interface that has > a crosslink/normal switch, or automatically tries one after the > other to find a link. Do you know if such a device exists? The closest thing we have in stock would be a $32 USB-to-USB network adapter. I see this as having several drawbacks: I don't know if they work in Linux, and we have 5-port Ethernet switches for $2 more. Is there a compelling reason not to buy another switch instead, given we know that works and the price difference is near-epsilon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 09:39:51AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Wim De Smet wrote: > >Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that > >Islam is responsible for their actions. > > Facts are facts. Outside of a few isolated incidents with the Irish > where has the majority of terrorism come from in the past several decades? > Hell, outside a few isolated Irish incidents where has *ALL* terrorism come > from? The USA and Israel ? Frank -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enigma
My seven-year-old daughter has become addicted to "Enigma". This is one of the most attractive and varied games around. Not that either of us has figured out the objective of most of the boards, not to mention to coordination to get there! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: the pain with crosslink cables
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:24:13 -0800, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 28 December 2004 10:13 am, martin f krafft wrote: > > > What I really want is a USB-attachable network interface that has > > a crosslink/normal switch, or automatically tries one after the > > other to find a link. Do you know if such a device exists? > > The closest thing we have in stock would be a $32 USB-to-USB network > adapter. I see this as having several drawbacks: I don't know if they > work in Linux, and we have 5-port Ethernet switches for $2 more. > I've one based to the Prolific PL-2301 chip and is supported by a reasonable modern kernel with the "usbnet" module, i think i've paid â 15~16. This is USB 1 tho... =) Andrea
Re: [Way off topic] babble babble bubble
Facts are facts. Outside of a few isolated incidents with the Irish where has the majority of terrorism come from in the past several decades? Hell, outside a few isolated Irish incidents where has *ALL* terrorism come from? Let me guess... from iraq? Oh, don't think so... why invade it then? Because of WMDs? nope... Then answer me this simple question. Where's the pipeline in Afghanistan? Better yet why isn't America implicated in the oil-for-food scam if it were all about oil? People are so quick to make rash claims of "It's the oil, it's the oil!" but never remember that the past several times they claimed it it didn't pan out. Riiight... when it's the others, it's for some oil scam, but when it's the USA, it's out of good heart. How could I not think about it? And whose fault are those wars? Easy, european powers in the 16 and 17th centuries which have drawn borders with a ruler without really caring about mixing ethnic genres within the same country. Go sue my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. Are you now implying that somehow the USA is inciting genocide on a mass scale? Oh no. It's pretty much doing that itself already. War on iraq has caused tens of thousand of civilian lives. That's one order of magnitude more than 9/11 attacks. And of course it's also sent more than 1,000 of its own men in their own graves. Of course, it's forbidden to broadcast images of the coffins - free speech, you understand... And after a bazillion dollars and countless lives spent, the situation is just getting worse. No, he's not. He cut federal funding. Show me where it is our responsibility to subsidize the worlds condom use and I'll be right there with ya. Granted, he did it for the wrong reason but that's hardly "convincing people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom." If people in foreign countries are so mindless as to care what the president of the US thinks they should do with their dangly bits they have far more problems than I imagine. Oh you never know. These days some people call you a terrorist when you don't agree with their president. Or at best, a surrender-cheese-eating-monkey, when you're lucky :-) (2) - The UN recently passed a resolution condemning terrorism. However buried in that resolution is a clause which states that *any* means may be used "by an oppressed people in a fight for their freedom". This means that the actions taken by Palastine's suicide bombers is valid in the eyes of the UN. This also means that the "insurgents" in Iraq (from Syria and Jordan if memory serves) kidnapping and beheading innocents is valid in the eyes of the UN because those people somehow are oppressed. Maybe if you were in their shoes, had your innocents parents, children and siblings murdered by some foreign soldier, you would find it valid too? Anyway, to go back to the original thread - what's wrong with the name "ubuntu"? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Functionality?
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 08:14 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > No. Initially there was no connectivity and the only way to get a virus > > was from an infected floppy disk. > > *cough*BBSes*cough*Fido-Net*cough* > > I remember having a 300bps modem well in advance of any virus back in > the Acoustic or direct connect? I remember thinking what hot shit I was because I didn't have to jam a headset into an acoustic modem like a lot of other people did. > day of the C=64, the CoCo and the Amiga. ;P Don't forget CP/M. (KayPro & Osborne were the 2 most popular.) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "The main reason that M$ gets bashed is that they persist in writing bad code, on top of bad code As many have said, there is NO PERFECT OS. The better OS though, IMHO, is the one that will openly deal with issues, both major, and minor. Microsoft still needs a lot of work in this area." http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/202/comment/24104#MSG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Way off topic] babble babble bubble
Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Let me guess... from iraq? Oh, don't think so... why invade it then? Because of WMDs? nope... Already covered. So nice of you to snip it all. Riiight... when it's the others, it's for some oil scam, but when it's the USA, it's out of good heart. How could I not think about it? Like I said, where's the pipeline in Afghanistan? Remember Afghanistan was supposed to be for oil as well. In fact pretty much every military action by the US is for oil interests yet, oddly enough, no oil interests ever develop after the military action is over. There are some exceptions but they are exceedingly rare. Oh no. It's pretty much doing that itself already. War on iraq has caused tens of thousand of civilian lives. That's one order of magnitude more than 9/11 attacks. At whose hands? Are you now implying that Syria and Jordan are not culpable for sending in "insrugents"? :P BTW, remind me again how many civilian lives were lost under Saddam? > And of course it's also sent more than 1,000 of its own men in their own graves. Of course, it's forbidden to broadcast images of the coffins - free speech, you understand... Actually it is closer to 2000. But let's not forget that by this stage of the action there the US was supposed to have lost well over 30,000 troops. 10,000 alone were supposed to be lost just on the push into Bahgdad. Another 10,000 for Falusha. Everyone loves to throw out how many troops were lost but not compare it to the pesimistic projections. And after a bazillion dollars and countless lives spent, the situation is just getting worse. Really? According to whom? Let's see. Saddam, deposed. Country handed over to the provisional government, early. Free elections - still scheduled to go off *on time*. This is all good news that is glossed over for the latest copy selling "all is woe" headlines. For a better picture of what *else* is going on try doing a search for "iraq good news" in Google. Prime example of stuff that's glossed over: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005676 Maybe if you were in their shoes, had your innocents parents, children and siblings murdered by some foreign soldier, you would find it valid too? I doubt it. Of course in many cases the above example doesn't fit, now does it. Certainly doesn't fit in Iraq where the "insurgents" largely aren't Iraqi in the first place. Anyway, to go back to the original thread - what's wrong with the name "ubuntu"? Nada, as was addressed quite a while ago. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 10:16 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > >>> I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is > >>> no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? > > Y'know, I was going to pick a few examples but after about 10 pages I > decided just to give you the link to enjoy: > > http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml > > My personal favorite is God's anger not being everlasting yet there is a > special place where those he are angry with go to forever. *snork* That's in no way an inconsistency. For example, my children may be punished for several hours (or days/weeks, when they grow older), but my anger dissipates quickly. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. GGLX : Gnome GNU Linux X.Org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
