Re: Adding an unstable package

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:58:31 -0400, Doug Jolley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi --
> 
> I've been playing around with Linux for some time; but, I'm
> very new to Debian.
> 
> I have installed the stable version of Debian.  However, I
> really need a more current version of Exim.  I'd like to
> install the exim4-daemon-heavy package which is in the
> testing tree.  I added:
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
> 
> to /etc/apt/sources.list and then ran apt-get as follows:
>

If you do this, all your system will become SID, aka Debian unstable.
If you only want to use an unstable/testing package you have two path,
look if someone has done what is called a "backport" (you can look at
www.apt-get.org) or you can compile from the Debian source. With the
APT tools it's simpler that what can sound.

> 
> apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy
> 
> I got an error which I'll append to this message.
> 

The error message is because you don't have refreshed the package
lists. You should have used "apt-get update" before the install, but
beware, in this way you'll move practically all your packages to
SID... =)

[...]

If you are new to Debian, i suggest you to lurk/look in this list and
this list archive, or you can look for the official documentation.
There's a lot of web pages targeted at Debian newcomers...


Andrea


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Re: swap space size

[Paul Johnson]

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"Gilbert, Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There is an issue that I do not fully understand that I have always kind of
> taken for rote.  I was told back when I first started working with Unix that
> the swap space needed to be at least twice the size of physical memory in
> order to ensure a stable system.

Well, that used to be the rule of thumb for a Linux-specific problem
with swap space.  Today, you can run without swap without a problem.
I keep a gig of swap on hand to avoid out of memory problems at all
costs and have never hit that.

A sane default today would be to set your swap size to at least the
size of your current physical memory.  I suggest using a swap space
equivilent to the maximum amount of memory your board can support,
though this is generally considered massive overkill given how cheap
RAM is these days.
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How does linux boot

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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Hi,
I know the subject of this email might be pretty simple. But I've really got
confused as to how Linux (or other OS's work). I'll be specific to linux.

This is the way I understand.
The computer is on. The BIOS loads the boot-loader. The boot-loader loads the
kernel image. If the kernel image has modules, initrd also gets loaded so
that appropriate modules can be loaded for the kernel to identify the
hardware, filesystems etc etc...


Now here is what confuses me !
Say, My machine has a scsi disk in it. In normal scenarios it's obvious that
I'll be using a modular kernel with initrd support shipped by my Linux
distribution vendor. Fine till now.

OS installation is done.. The kernel image, the initrd image etc are all
stored on the disk.
Now the boot loader loads and then loads the kernel image along with the
initrd image.

So, Is the boot-loader so smart and powerful (much more that the kernel) that
it reads data from the disk without knowing the type of disk and the
filesystem type ? I mean the kernel requires modules to be loaded to detect
the type of disk (scsi or ide) , type of filesystem etc.. The boot-loader
doesn't require anything ?  Amazing.

If yes, the boot-loader is smart enough. Why not use it's master-piece code
into the kernel ? :-)

If no, What have I missed to RTFM ? Any good docs ?


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Re: cdrecord permissions problem in 2.6.8

[Alexis Huxley]

> There was a problem in 2.6.8 kernel where a normal user could not burn 
> CD's using cdrecord. I experienced that problem and installed 2.6.7, 
> which did not suffer that problem. I am wondering, is that problem fixed 
> now? I am planning to compile the 2.6.8 kernel source package from Debian.

Are you sure this a problem related to the kernel and not simply the
permissions of the /dev/ for your burner and/or the
SETUID-ness of the 'cdrecord' program?

Install XCDRoast (there's a deb), and as root check out the setup menu,
it has a button somewhere under than menu that will change the
permissions of the needed programs as required.

Alexis


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Re: Adding an unstable package

[Alexis Huxley]

> I have installed the stable version of Debian.  However, I
> really need a more current version of Exim.  I'd like to
> install the exim4-daemon-heavy package which is in the
> testing tree.  I added:

Bad idea. You may wind up upgrading to newer versions of
exim4-daemon-heavy's prerequisites and breaking a lot of
stuff (which you may or may not have already installed).

The newer versions of programs need to be compiled against
the *installed* versions of libraries if you do not want
to break things. 

This gives you two options: (1) package the thing yourself,
compiling it against the already-installed development 
packages, or (2) visit http://www.backports.org, which was
setup to get you through exactly this problem.

Alexis


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Re: swap space size

[Paul Johnson]

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Johnno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have 131 meg of memory and a swap of about 100megs..

Ouch.  You might see some performance gains from a bit more swap,
since you'll be able to swap more of what's not actively running out,
allowing for more filesystem cache.
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Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Paul Johnson]

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OK, this is probably the most obvious question ever, but I just can't
find it in Google or Wikipedia.

Just what the heck is the difference between buffer and cache in terms
of memory usage?  What is each catagory used for?
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Re: How does linux boot

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya ritesh

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> This is the way I understand.
> The computer is on. The BIOS loads the boot-loader. The boot-loader loads the
> kernel image. If the kernel image has modules, initrd also gets loaded so
> that appropriate modules can be loaded for the kernel to identify the
> hardware, filesystems etc etc...

not quite... close ...
 
> OS installation is done.. The kernel image, the initrd image etc are all
> stored on the disk.

easier concept is assume you boot from floppy lot easier to understand

> Now the boot loader loads and then loads the kernel image along with the
> initrd image.

initrd is NOT needed if the required drivers is built into the
kernel, ignore the initrd to avoid confusion too
 
> So, Is the boot-loader so smart and powerful

no ... boot-loader is the dumbest/simplest thing there is

the boot loader is usually 2 pieces ... ( 2.5 pieces if you use grub )

the boot loader is 512 bytes TOTAL

and of that 64bytes is used for the 4 primary partition
and 2 more bytes for "boot flag" 

so your total size of your boot loader is 512 - 64 -2 (446bytes)
( that is simple, small and "dumb" or "super smart" )

- its job is to figure out where to jump to that has
the boot kernel ( usually stage 2 boot loader )
grub plays silly and wants stage1.5 to know if its
ext2 or ext3 or jfs, or xfs or reiserfs or foo-fs

- usually the stage1 boot loader says where to jump to
find the "main boot loader"

> (much more that the kernel) that
> it reads data from the disk without knowing the type of disk and the
> filesystem type ?

grub will try that ... to read the disk

lilo/other boot loaders all know how to read track 0 which
has all the info needed to boot

> I mean the kernel requires modules to be loaded to detect
> the type of disk (scsi or ide) ,

no ... the kernel does NOT need modules if the kernel was built
with the drivers compiled into it

> type of filesystem etc..

grub wants to know the filesystem on the disk ... 

> The boot-loader
> doesn't require anything ?  Amazing.

yeah... the "main" bootloader is small, simple, amazing, trivial
 
> If yes, the boot-loader is smart enough.

its NOT smart ... it's dumb  it just does one thing,
where to find its next half (stage2) of the bootloader

> Why not use it's master-piece code into the kernel ? :-)

it IS already in the kernel

> If no, What have I missed to RTFM ? Any good docs ?

http://linux-boot.net/Boot.Sequence/

c ya
alvin


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Re: Install mplayer on debian

[Paul Johnson]

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Lian Liming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all,
> I am using debian/unstable and find i can't find "mplayer" in the
> package list. After using "apt-cache search mplayer", i get the
> following result:

Have you looked on apt-get.org for a more suitable apt source to add
to your sources.list for that sort of thing?
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Re: swap space size

[Alexis Huxley]

On 2004-10-21, Gilbert, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> taken for rote.  I was told back when I first started working with Unix that
> the swap space needed to be at least twice the size of physical memory in
> order to ensure a stable system.

I believe this was just a rule of thumb when memory was so expensive.

Think about it, if you want to dramatically improve the performance
of a system then you add so much memory to it that the system stops
swapping. And if it stops swapping, then what purpose does having
"two times 'so much'" swap space have? Well, none, 'cos you've
deliberately ensured that it won't be used.

But some programs are so inactive that they'll get pushed in to swap
(by some user's 'qsort() routine or other short-lived memory eater)
and may never come back because they're waiting for something that may
never happen (e.g. 'at' daemon waiting for next 'at' job when nobody
actually uses 'at'), so adding memory to stop processes like these
being swapped (out, once) in the first place is a waste of money;
it brings no performance increase.

Of course there should always be swap space, because you *cannot*
guarantee that someone won't run perl in slurp mode, or qsort on
a massive data set, etc, and, generally, "I don't want to ever
encounter the error message 'out of memory'" is a hard requirement,
but the comparatively (very) slow access speeds of swap space should
give you some idea of how often you should actually be regularly
(by which I mean swapping in and out, not just out) using it, and
when disk space is so cheap then, hell, you can make the swap ten
times the memory and probably not notice less disk space. It's a
small price to pay to meet that hard requirement.

Harder is working out the memory requirements.

I would say one needs some experience of how many users you get,
what they sort of thing they run, how often, for how long, in order
to get a 'feel' for how much memory and swap are required.

Maybe formulating some statements about your requirements is
helpful. E.g.  the aforementioned "I never want to run out of memory",
(which really means swap) but also something more real-worldly soft
requirements like "If 95% of user processes, do not get swapped 95%
of the time then that is acceptable."

Maybe run 'sar' and archive the logs monthly (otherwise they'll be
overwritten) and then you can try to work out the memory and swap
required to meet your requirements.

And talk to your users, then you'll know if the requirements you've
set are actually acceptable.

Alexis


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Re: [OT] Debian advocacy for Smart but Scared People With Lives

[Paul Johnson]

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Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> That's weird - that Knoppix has problems with 3Com network cards but
> boot-floppies can cope OK. I like these cards because they Just Work.

I tend to prefer the RTL-8139 based cards because everything supports
them.  They're pretty much plug and play in any environment.
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Re: How does linux boot

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> Now here is what confuses me !
> Say, My machine has a scsi disk in it. In normal scenarios it's obvious that
> I'll be using a modular kernel with initrd support shipped by my Linux
> distribution vendor. Fine till now.
> 
> OS installation is done.. The kernel image, the initrd image etc are all
> stored on the disk.
> Now the boot loader loads and then loads the kernel image along with the
> initrd image.
> 
> So, Is the boot-loader so smart and powerful (much more that the kernel) that
> it reads data from the disk without knowing the type of disk and the
> filesystem type ? I mean the kernel requires modules to be loaded to detect
> the type of disk (scsi or ide) , type of filesystem etc.. The boot-loader
> doesn't require anything ?  Amazing.
> 
> If yes, the boot-loader is smart enough. Why not use it's master-piece code
> into the kernel ? :-)

Hi,
from "The Linux BootPrompt-HowTo" you get:
  
  [...]
  The kernel has a limited capability to accept information at boot in
  the form of a `command line', similar to an argument list you would
  give to a program. In general this is used to supply the kernel with
  information about hardware parameters that the kernel would not be
  able to determine on its own, or to avoid/override the values that the
  kernel would otherwise detect.

  However, if you just copy a kernel image directly to a floppy, (e.g.
  cp zImage /dev/fd0) then you are not given a chance to specify any
  arguments to that kernel. So most Linux users will use software like
  LILO or loadlin that takes care of handing these arguments to the
  kernel, and then booting it.
  [...]

Take also a look in kernel-documentation e.g. 
/mnt/debian/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.2.20/Documentation/i386/boot.txt.gz

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Re: USE flags ??

[Paul Johnson]

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Please see http://ursine.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php?title=Top_Posting

"Philippe Dhont   (Sea-ro)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I worked with gentoo and all that compiling takes too much of my time.

Nothing like wasting hours to save usecs, that's for sure.

> But for some programs i need to set some additional flags (mysql, squid,
> samba,...).

Well, you could always do apt-get source  and build your own
debian packages with your custom-made Makefiles.  How to do this for
anything other than the kernel package is a bit beyond me, though, as
software that performs significantly better with optimizations is
already compiled for the various sub-architectures.
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Re: How does linux boot

[Paul Johnson]

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Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
writes:

> The computer is on. The BIOS loads the boot-loader. The boot-loader
> loads the kernel image. If the kernel image has modules, initrd also
> gets loaded so that appropriate modules can be loaded for the kernel
> to identify the hardware, filesystems etc etc...

BIOS does a POST, and if successful, hands off to the bootloader.  The
bootloader loads the kernel image, then the initrd.  Kernel then
starts running, loads modules.
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Re: [OT] Debian advocacy for Smart but Scared People With Lives

[Clive Menzies]

On (21/10/04 14:59), s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from William Ballard:
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:16:21PM -0700, Gilbert, Joseph wrote:
> > > session and found that KDE had autodetected my sound card.  You may want to
> > > have them give Sarge a try.  It may be a lot easier than even you suspect...
> > 
> > This isn't a technical thing, so much as a motivation thing.  I actually 
> 
> Exactly.  I'd guess the best you could do is set them up with a dual
> boot system, and beg them to try it for a week.  Give them Evo for
> mail, and OO.  You better ensure everything works correctly "out of
> the box", and is secured, or they'll just end up with yet another
> insecure and unstable platform.  You'll probably need to consider data
> migration issues too.  How to get their mail from Windows to Linux and
> back again?  You're also going to be their sysadmin for a while; do
> you have remote access to their machines?  Are they going to trust you
> to be root on their machines?
> 
> Maybe you should wait until the next disaster befalls them (shouldn't
> be long).  They may then be better motivated to accept the challenge.

Have a look at Xandros 2.0 Open edition.  It's Debian based and seems to
auto-detect most things.  It is a halfway house between windows and
debian and we installed it on a few machines with some success.  One of the
great things is that it mounts the windows drives so that you can see
them from Xandros.

Regards

Clive


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Re: Install mplayer on debian

[Alexis Huxley]

> I just wonder why mplayer is not on the debian apt package list? and how
> can i find a easy way to install myplayer on deiban? :)

Check out the mplayer website (Google for it) and somewhere under
the downloads page there is a reference to some good soul who
has prepared debs (I think his name is Marillat?), follow the link
to that person's web site and there there are the entries to
add to /etc/apt/sources.list for mplayer stable, unstable or
testing.

Alexis


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Re: How does linux boot - best way 2 figure it out

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> Now here is what confuses me !

best way to learn how a PC boots..

take the dumb/silly/antiquated BIOS and throw it away ...

- now figure out how it boots

- the CPU does jump to 0x  as its first instruction
after power on and reset and internal self-check

what it does after that, is up to you 
( what you put into the ROM at 0x  aka BIOS )

- you will first need to define your interrupt vectors
- than a keyboard scanner so you can "tell it what to do"
- than a serial console so "you can see"

- than you want to read the disk sector 
( the 512 byte at track-0, sector-0, head-0 (aka boot loader) )
- anything after that will be part of the filesystem
of how the heads and tracks are mapped

- gazillion fun things to do in hw or sw or fw

- the silly ami bios or phoenix bios or xxx bios restricts what
  you can and cannot do

- for more fun, use a pdp11-34 or pdp11-70  or a 8080/6800
  and use the switches to load your "boot program" 
  or the cassette tape ... or floppy disk or hard disks
  or nowdays, the usb stick or the network

c ya
alvin


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Re: problem with /etc/profile

[Alexis Huxley]

> My /etc/profile is not being run when I reboot and log on.  Can anyone give me some 
> advice about how to figure out what is wrong?  What should be calling it and when?  
> Would any failures get logged someplace?

How do you know it is not run?

Is the user's shell one that *should* run /etc/profile?

What happens if you log on on a text console, rather than through X?

Can I suggest you install fadscan (not part of Debian, but debs are
available) which was written specifically to answer that "Damn! I
changed something, but I now don't know what it is, what was it?"
question. Google for it.

Alexis


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debian webhosting services

[Antonio Rodriguez]

I am looking for debian webhosting service, probably dedicated, unless
the speed and bandwidth are so good that it doesn't matter being
shared. Does anybody have any suggestions? (of course price is very
important).


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Re: Install mplayer on debian

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 07:27 +, Alexis Huxley wrote:
> > I just wonder why mplayer is not on the debian apt package list? and how
> > can i find a easy way to install myplayer on deiban? :)
> 
> Check out the mplayer website (Google for it) and somewhere under
> the downloads page there is a reference to some good soul who
> has prepared debs (I think his name is Marillat?), follow the link
> to that person's web site and there there are the entries to
> add to /etc/apt/sources.list for mplayer stable, unstable or
> testing.

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main

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Re: How does linux boot

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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On Friday 22 October 2004 01:19 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Ritesh Raj 
Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) writes:
> > The computer is on. The BIOS loads the boot-loader. The boot-loader
> > loads the kernel image. If the kernel image has modules, initrd also
> > gets loaded so that appropriate modules can be loaded for the kernel
> > to identify the hardware, filesystems etc etc...
>
> BIOS does a POST, and if successful, hands off to the bootloader.  The
> bootloader loads the kernel image, then the initrd.  Kernel then
> starts running, loads modules.

Where does it load the kernel from ? The disk, right !
Suppose the disk I've got is scsi. Linux requires little arguments and add 
modules to work to boot with scsi disks in comparision to ide disks.
A lot of work for the kernel.
In constrast, how does the boot-loader get the kernel image from the disk 
(scsi).
Very simply. Doesn't it face the problems of very new technology disks ?
Infact it detects everything.

I think Alvin's reply is convincing. The boot-loader loads the information 
from the first 512 bytes of the disk and processes further.

rrs
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Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:36:04 +0200, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.10.17.0837
> +0200]:
>> Gnus can handle all that,

> Nice to know, but I ain't switchin' operating system. ;^>

>> Additionally, it has an adaptive scoring mechanism, that learns
>> about topics you are interested in, and topics and posters that one
>> rarely reads can progressively get even lower score.

> Interesting. mutt also features scoring, but I am not sure it's
> adaptive. How does Gnus do it? Sounds to me somewhat like a Bayesian
> module, or crm114 built in?

Nothing so complicated.  In addition to static SCORE files
 (one per group/mailinglist, where my hand crafted rules (increase
 author substring permanent) go in), it has a per group/mailinglist
 ADAPT file as well, where automatically generated rules go.  The
 rules are generated based on actions I take on articles.

here are the rules I use for actions (I may read an article,
 delete it, kill the thread, tick it to mark it persistent, etc). Each
 action marks the article in some way. For each mark, I specify scores
 to be added for various headers (usually from , the subject, or
 followup headers).

Sounds complicated, but it isn't really -- I just deal with
 articles as I would, and slowly Gnus adapts to my likes.

manoj

;; for general rules
(setq gnus-default-adaptive-score-alist
  '((gnus-unread-mark)
(gnus-ticked-mark  (from 256)   (subject 512)  (followup 1024))
(gnus-dormant-mark (from 512)   (subject 1024))
(gnus-del-mark  (subject -512))
(gnus-read-mark(from 32)(subject 256))
(gnus-expirable-mark)
(gnus-killed-mark (from -64)(subject -512) (followup -1024))
(gnus-kill-file-mark   (from -256)  (subject -128))
(gnus-ancient-mark)
(gnus-low-score-mark)
(gnus-catchup-mark (from -32)   (subject -256

;; for subject word scoring
(setq gnus-default-adaptive-word-score-alist
  '((,gnus-read-mark . 300)
(,gnus-ticked-mark . 600)
(,gnus-dormant-mark . 800)
(,gnus-catchup-mark . -100)
(,gnus-killed-mark . -200)
(,gnus-del-mark . -150)))


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SB Live! with 2.6.8.1 kernel

[Glenn Meehan]

Hi,

I'm having problems getting my sound card (SB Live!) working with the
kernel 2.6.8.1.

It was working fine with 2.4.26.

Which kernel options should I use?  Should I create modules or compile
into the kernel?

I'm using the testing branch with kde 3.3.

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Change of kernel

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

because of the cdr problems with Sarge kernel 2.6.8 I want to change from
kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.7. How do I do this?

Regards Vegard


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Softzware

[lrains]

New Q E M on http://bbbf.huturo.com/
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Re: SB Live! with 2.6.8.1 kernel

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Glenn Meehan (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I'm having problems getting my sound card (SB Live!) working with the
> kernel 2.6.8.1.
> 
> It was working fine with 2.4.26.
> 
> Which kernel options should I use?  Should I create modules or compile
> into the kernel?

Kernel 2.6 comes with both ALSA and OSS drivers. It is very likely that
discover/hotplug try to load both and beacuse of that the card does not
work properly. Make sure the alsa-base and alsa-oss packages are
installed, and that /etc/hosplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base is present. Also
disable or deinstall discover if you don't need it, or make sure it
won't load the emu10k1 module. hotplug should load the necessary alsa
drivers, all you need to do after that is to set the volume.

best regards
 Andreas Janssen

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Re: How does linux boot - simple

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> > BIOS does a POST, and if successful, hands off to the bootloader.  The
> > bootloader loads the kernel image, then the initrd.  Kernel then
> > starts running, loads modules.

initrd is optional and NOT required
modules is optional and NOT required

both depends on how the kernel was built .. with its required drivers
built into the kernel or not

> Where does it load the kernel from ?

think of booting from floppy...
- boot loader is on the floppy
- kernel is on the floppy

1st stage boot loader tells the cpu to load the 2nd stage
bootloader at a fixed address

2nd stage boot loaders loads the image located at a specific
address on the floppy into a particular address in memory
depending on bzImage or zImage

the kernel is executed after loading

> The disk, right !

lots of places that the kenrel can come from ...

dont worry about the semi messy problems of booting from scsi disks
when you insist on using scsi modules

> Suppose the disk I've got is scsi. Linux requires little arguments and add 
> modules to work to boot with scsi disks in comparision to ide disks.

there is ZERO difference between booting from ide disk vs booting from
scsi disks
-- it just happens that 99% of the time, most people did NOT
turn off ide disk drivers 

whereas, 99% of the time, scsi drivers are modules 
which is a dumb idea

> In constrast, how does the boot-loader get the kernel image from the disk 
> (scsi).

bootloader doesnt   whatever you're booting ( cdrom, floppy, usbstick,
network-boot ) has the kernel on it ...
- ignore the confusing part about the kernel on the hardisk

think about booting from a floppy
think about booting from a cdrom
think about booting from a network
think about booting from a usbstick

dont get confused by ide disk vs scsi disks  it's IDENTICAL 
from booting issues

===
=== there is ZERO differences in booting any of the boot media
===
=== - remove the IDE modules and yuhave the same identical issue as 
=== booting a scsi disk ... kernel PANIC... panic.. panic...
===

c ya
alvin


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wu-ftpd

[Gorka]

Because of my poor English I'll try to explain it in Spanish.

¿Alguien me puede pasar una lista de pasos a dar en plan novatísimo para
compartir mediante wu-ftpd la carpeta /var/www/web entre un par de personas
(sin usuario en Debian) que actualizarán sus páginas persona1.php y
persona2.php mediante un cliente ftp (desde windows) utilizando su nombre de
usuario y contraseña y para que no puedan hacer /var/www/web/ cd .. sino
sólo crear directorios y lo que sea pero por debajo de /var/www/web/?

Soy nuevo en linux, es decir, que conozco hasta 'apt-get install wu-ftpd', a
partir de ahí estoy en vuestras manos.

Anticipándome a las respuestas. Ya he leído muchos documentos sobre wu-ftpd
anónimo e invitado, y me atasco en todos. La ayuda de
/usr/share/doc/wu-ftpd/ no la entiendo.

Muchas gracias.

Thanks.




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Re: Install mplayer on debian

[Adam Funk]

On Friday 22 October 2004 02:40, Lian Liming wrote:

> That means i can't use "apt-get" to install mplayer. 

Yes, but not from the official Debian repositories.

> As everyone know, 
> to install mplayer from the source is a different thing.

So I've heard (but I haven't tried it).

> how can i find a easy way to install myplayer on deiban? :)

Add one or more of the following lines to your /etc/apt/source.list
file, then run "apt-get update".  Then you can use apt-get to install
mplayer.

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/stable  main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/   testing  main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  unstable  main

HTH,
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Re: debian webhosting services

[Upayavira]

Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
I am looking for debian webhosting service, probably dedicated, unless
the speed and bandwidth are so good that it doesn't matter being
shared. Does anybody have any suggestions? (of course price is very
important).
 

I've had a short (but so far happy) stay with bytemark.co.uk.
They do very cheap virtual private servers and dedicated machines. You 
can start with a VPS, and upgrade it to a full server, without having to 
reinstall anything - take your existing disc image with you. May not be 
anything special in Debian land, but pretty revolutionary elsewhere.

Regards, Upayavira
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Re: Change of kernel

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 11:43 +0200, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> because of the cdr problems with Sarge kernel 2.6.8 I want to change from
> kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.7. How do I do this?

# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386
# shutdown -t1 -r now

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Re: debian webhosting services

[Adam Funk]

On Friday 22 October 2004 09:30, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:

> I am looking for debian webhosting service, probably dedicated, unless
> the speed and bandwidth are so good that it doesn't matter being
> shared. Does anybody have any suggestions? (of course price is very
> important).

Have a look at Black Cat Networks and see if they meet your
requirements.

http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/


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Re: wu-ftpd

[Antonio Rodriguez]

I am replacing his question with the English adapted version:

He wants to make available to two people the directory "/var/www/web"
(none of the two is a 'user' of the system), who would be able to make
changes to their personal pages persona1.php and persona2.php through
a ftp client from windows after authentication. They shouldn't be able
to do anything above /var/www/web.

He is new to linux and is lost, so he needs pointers to step by step
tutorials if anyone knows of any. He read /usr/share/doc/wu-ftpd but
still doesn't have a clue. 


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USB 2.0 speed

[Alexandros Papadopoulos]

I have an external HDD case, that is USB 2.0 certified. When I boot my 
machine with KNOPPIX and have the USB case plugged, I get fast transfer 
rates to my external disk (10MB/sec or so).

When I boot my regual installation of Debian (sarge), with both kernels 
2.4.25 and 2.6.8 (installed via apt-get), the same modules are loaded 
(uhci-hcd and friends), but the system can only exchange data with the 
external drive VERY slowly (less than 500kb/sec).

usbview shows me at that time that the external USB device (correctly) 
advertises speeds of up to 480Mbps, but actual file transfers are 
extremely slow.

Anyone have any idea on how to troubleshoot this?

Thanks

-A


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(sid) ACPI Errors on Boot

[Riccardo Tortorici]

Hi All,
during the boot sequence I have the following errors:
ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
at this point my laptop (IBM TP-R40e) freezes for about 2-3 seconds, and 
then all is ok.
By the Way...regarding the irq 11. How can be possible all the devices 
wants this holy irq 11? The output of lspci told me the :00:02.0 
device is "USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)"  .
I googlized myself and I found a possible solution:
Boot with pci=routeirq ... how can i do it?
Thanks in advance

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Who maintains orphaned packages?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

Hello,
I was checking the wnnp page and noted there are packages which have been orphaned for 
over 2 years. If someone reports perhaps an RC bug, can someone else fix that bug such 
that it will be accepted in the new stable system or does it have to have a maintainer 
before that? Thanks.

Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Micheal Mukherji]

Buffer is a logical cache maintained by the operating system in the
main memory while cache is actually a physical hardware that the cpu
uses to decrease the effective memory access time.

Buffer cache is used to store the most recently accessed data from
disk(or what so ever), so that they dont have to be fetched again from
the disk. Its an optimization feature provided by the operating
system. The Cache does similar thing but it sits between the cpu and
the main memory and contains the most recently accessed data and
instructions from the main memory so that in case they are accessed
again, they need not be fetched again, thus improving the performance.

Does that clear your doubt??


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> 
> Just what the heck is the difference between buffer and cache in terms
> of memory usage?  What is each catagory used for?
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Re: Kernel 2.6 compile problem - Solved

[Russ Cook]

Russ Cook wrote:
David Clymer wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 07:06, Russ Cook wrote:
 



The problem turned out to be the lack of module-init-tools on my 
system.  An additional problem was that module-init-tools conflicted 
with modutils already installed.  I had to upgrade modutils to most 
current version first, then install module-init-tools.  All is fine 
now, except that during the process of upgrading all my packages 
(which probably wasn't necessary) I have lost my /boot/boot.b -> 
/boot/boot-menu.b .  The system boots into vmlinuz-2.6.8 just fine, 
and my modules load, but I don't have a menu option for booting into 
the previous kernel.  I need to obtain another boot-menu.b somehow.

  

you may need to set a boot delay in /etc/lilo.conf. If you do that, you
will be able to select a kernel to boot.
Take a look at http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/basic/lilo.shtml
or man lilo.conf for more details.
-davidc
 

No, the problem APPEARS to be that /boot/boot.b is a symlink pointing 
to /boot/boot-menu.b .  And, boot-menu.b does not exist.  I have no 
*.b files except boot.b .
I tried reinstalling lilo and running lilo again, but nothing 
changed.  This confuses me, because I thought the *.b file was the 
secondary boot loader, phase 2 of the boot process, and the system 
wouldn't boot without it.  So, off to do some more digging.


Well David,
 I guess you were right after all.  Holding the left shift key during 
boot gives me my boot menu, as it always has.  I guess I just got 
confused about the symlink /boot/boot.b which
points to a non-existent /boot/boot-menu.b  .
 Anyway, my system now is up and running with kernel 2.6.8. 
Now on to get sound working under Alsa.

Thanks.
Russ
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Re: ssh tput error 'tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified'

[Thomas Dickey]

Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hmmm.,  But why am I getting this message when not everyone seems to get 
> it?  I've tried, for instance, setting LogLevel = QUIET in 
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but no luck.

It may depend upon the shell and the way your .profile is setup - though most
people on this newsgroup use bash, I use tcsh.  (not at home to check) my
.cshrc probably refers to $TERM someplace, and csh/tcsh require more than just
quotes to stop a warning about an undefined variable.  If you're using tput to
set your prompt string, that would be a place to check on quoting, etc.  Most
bash users hardcode prompt and key-binding strings, so they wouldn't notice
this problem.

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Strange display ....

[Vittorio]

I have a compaq evo 800 (Pentium 4, 2GHz) portable pc dual-bootable both 
win-XP & debian testing with kde 3.2.2 desktop .
At home I use the box as is and both win xp and debian work great. 
Instead at work where I plug the pc into a docking-station endowed of 
its own 21" monitor, mouse and keyboard, while under windows XP there 
are no problems, under kde 3.2 the 21" monitor shows one quarter  
(one third?) roughly of the entire screen which, in any case, I can 
scan moving the mouse around (the same happens with knoppix 3.4 but, in 
this case, I cannot move around but I'm haplessly stuck to that portion 
of screen.

What I noticed is that:

1) The docking station doesn't seem endowed of its own video card but 
uses the ATI Radeon 7500 of the pc, its driver, *** and  two more 
drivers called (under win XP) "Unicenter Remote Control for Blank Host 
Adapter" and "Unicenter Remote Control for Screen Capture Adapter".

2) I noticed that, while under win XP the switch turning on/off the 
screen properly when you shut down or open the top cover of the pc (I 
mean the monitor itself), under a linux console works fine but stops 
working when a GUI like kde is activated.

What shall I do to fix the problem?

Ciao...

Re: (sid) ACPI Errors on Boot

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Riccardo Tortorici (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> during the boot sequence I have the following errors:
> ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
> at this point my laptop (IBM TP-R40e) freezes for about 2-3 seconds,
> and then all is ok.
> By the Way...regarding the irq 11. How can be possible all the devices
> wants this holy irq 11? The output of lspci told me the :00:02.0
> device is "USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev
> 03)"  . I googlized myself and I found a possible solution:
> Boot with pci=routeirq ... how can i do it?

If you use lilo, append pci=routeirq (or pci=noacpi) to the boot prompt.
If you use grub, press "e", select the kernel line, press "e" again,
append the option, and press b.

best regards
 Andreas Janssen

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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 16:26 +0530, Micheal Mukherji wrote:
> Buffer is a logical cache maintained by the operating system in the
> main memory while cache is actually a physical hardware that the cpu
> uses to decrease the effective memory access time.
> 
> Buffer cache is used to store the most recently accessed data from
> disk(or what so ever), so that they dont have to be fetched again from
> the disk. Its an optimization feature provided by the operating
> system. The Cache does similar thing but it sits between the cpu and
> the main memory and contains the most recently accessed data and
> instructions from the main memory so that in case they are accessed
> again, they need not be fetched again, thus improving the performance.
> 
> Does that clear your doubt??

No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last 
kopek that Paul is talking about:

$ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:  1003760 kB
MemFree: 89652 kB
Buffers:138752 kB   <<<
Cached: 326116 kB   <<<
SwapCached:   7260 kB
Active: 542748 kB
Inactive:   157536 kB
HighTotal:   98240 kB
HighFree:  240 kB
LowTotal:   905520 kB
LowFree: 89412 kB
SwapTotal: 2097136 kB
SwapFree:  2072328 kB
Dirty:   4 kB
Writeback:   0 kB
Mapped: 300828 kB
Slab:   203148 kB
Committed_AS:   673336 kB
PageTables:   2156 kB
VmallocTotal:   114680 kB
VmallocUsed:  4172 kB
VmallocChunk:   110468 kB


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Re: wu-ftpd

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 06:15 -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> I am replacing his question with the English adapted version:
> 
> He wants to make available to two people the directory "/var/www/web"
> (none of the two is a 'user' of the system), who would be able to make
> changes to their personal pages persona1.php and persona2.php through
> a ftp client from windows after authentication. They shouldn't be able
> to do anything above /var/www/web.
> 
> He is new to linux and is lost, so he needs pointers to step by step
> tutorials if anyone knows of any. He read /usr/share/doc/wu-ftpd but
> still doesn't have a clue. 

Would it be simple to adduser them, and then symlink
~user1/personal.php -> /var/www/web
  and
~user2/persona2.php -> /var/www/web

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Re: Running jobs at shutdown

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:59:19PM +0200, Magnus Therning wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 02:19:05PM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> >On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 12:50:18AM +0200, Magnus Therning wrote:
> >> Currently I have a few jobs I run at boot time using @reboot in my
> >> crontab. I would really like to be able to run some jobs just before
> >> shutting down as well (alternatively when I log out of GNOME). How can I
> >> do that?
> >
> >To run them when you log out, you can put them in your ~/.xsession
> >
> >#!/bin/sh
> >gnome-session
> >~/bin/job-to-run-after-logout 1
> >~/bin/job-to-run-after-logout 2
> >
...
> Hmm, this was a really good suggestion.

Glad you like it!

> I didn't do it exactly like this, instead I decided to put GDM to use. I
> added the following lines to /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default :
> 
>  if [ -x ${HOME}/.Xpost_session ]; then
>   su - ${USER} --command=${HOME}/.Xpost_session
>  fi
> 
> The I put an executable script called .Xpost_session in my home
> directory. It basically has the following format:
> 
>  #! /bin/zsh
> 
>  job1 &>| ~/.Xpost_session.err
>  job2 &>>| ~/.Xpost_session.err
> 
> It all works wonderfully. Can it be done better, or more efficient?

I like that better, actually :-)

But I think it would be "cleaner" if the redirection was done in
/etc/gdm/PostSession/Default or just appended to ~/.xsession-errors
(perhaps it is still redirected at that point? haven't looked)

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I am using mozilla mailer ( Debian distribution) to
send and receive my emails. On the mail server LDAP is
used and the list of all the users is available. I
want to get and include it my mozilla client to send
for example a message to all users.

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Sound problems

[Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro)]

Hello,

I have a dell workstation 470 with (of course) debian.
The soundcard is a:

Analog Devices ADI 198x and this should be a Intel 82801DB AC'97
(according a post i found on google) but i don't know how to install it
or what driver to use (don't find anything in the new kernel config in
sound about this piece of hardware).

Anyone has experience with it ?
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Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[James Wiggs]

 Folks,

   I'm trying to determine if I've found bugs in the C++ compiler
on Sarge or not.  I'm trying to compile quickfix-1.9.2 and some of
my own codes which link to it, and I'm repeatedly getting internal
compiler errors.  I've posted about it on the quickfix mailing list
and gotten zero response.  This is a heavily used codebase in the
financial industry; there are dozens of big companies who use it as
a basis for their internal and external communications of financial
data.  The point being that this is a library of code that is very
well supported and strongly scrutinized, and used in production
where literally millions of dollars a day depend on it.  A lot of
people claim to be running it on Linux, but it looks like it gets
much more use on Solaris or even (ack!) Windows.

   Here's an example of the sort of errors I'm getting:

- begin text -
 g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I.. -g -O2
-I/usr/include/stlport -I/opt/RAIDD/db/mysql/include/mysql
-I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include/linux -O0 -g -MT
MessagesTestCase.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/MessagesTestCase.Tpo -c
MessagesTestCase.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/MessagesTestCase.o
In file included from ../Message.h:33,
 from MessagesTestCase.h:26,
 from MessagesTestCase.cpp:27:
/usr/include/stlport/stl/_tree.h: In member function `typename
   _Traits::reference _STL::_Rb_tree_iterator<_Value,
_Traits>::operator*()
   const [with _Value = _STL::pair, _STL::allocator > >, _Traits =
   _STL::_Const_traits<_STL::pair, _STL::allocator > > >]':

Internal compiler error: Error reporting routines re-entered.
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions, see
http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html>.
- end text -

   I also get lots of these:

free(): invalid pointer 0x8dcb250!
free(): invalid pointer 0x8dc9610!

   The bugs are *not* repeatable.  I can type make, have the make
choke on something like the above, type make again, and it will get
through the compile.  The same thing happens with my own codes that
include the headers for quickfix.  The library makes heavy use of
templates.  I am not enough of an expert on C++ to be able to be a
lot of help, here.  I'm using version 3.3.4-13.  The machine is an
Athlon 1GHz with 1.5 GB of RAM.  It is a straight install of Sarge,
upgraded from Woody about 2 months ago.  It was totally up to date
when I ran the compiles, with an apt-get update/upgrade done just
the day before.

   The codebase is available under a BSD license for download from
http://www.quickfixengine.org for anyone who wants to try it out.
I'd really appreciate some feedback on this.  Is this a g++ bug?  Is
it a hardware problem?  I compile many other large codebases (all C)
on a regular basis with no problems.  I'm not getting signal 11s or
anything to indicate that I have bad RAM, and if I did, why am I not
having problems with my other codes?  Could my install be corrupted
somehow?  But if that's the case, how does an installation get in a
state where it's just corrupted enough to cause these very specific
problems but nothing else?  I'm totally stumped at this point.  Can
anyone help?

thanks,
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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Micheal Mukherji]

> No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last
> kopek that Paul is talking about:

Who said Linux sees CPU cache?
He was asking the difference between the two.. or am I wrong?


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Re: Netatalk2

[Joachim Smit]

> I did that manually, at the command line, while
> testing. Then I adapted
> a Debian's "skeleton" init script to the task, which
> I paste below. Then
> you need to make the appropriate symlinks in
> /etc/rcN.d, or use
> sysv-rc-conf to do that for you, or use file-rc. I
> use file-rc.

Thanks. 

Can I place the config files such as atalkd.conf in
the default directory /etc/atalk ?

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Re: SSH

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:34:02 -0400, cmdrwoody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greeting all!
> 
> I am trying to write a script that ssh to all the computers in my
> school and perform automated tasks.  For a machine say, p30, i can
> just put ssh p30  in my script to execute that command.  I
> have public-key authentication so no password is required.
> 
> Now if this is the first time I login to that machine, I will get the question
> 
> The authenticity of host 'p30 ' can't be established.
> RSA key fingerprint is .
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
> 
> And I have to type yes or no.  This is annoying since the script
> should be able to run automatically.  How can I make the script to
> accept this automatically?


Use ssh-keygen to generate an RSA key pair. then copy the generated
public key to all of your workstations' ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.

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Re: USB 2.0 speed

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:06:38 +0300, Alexandros Papadopoulos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an external HDD case, that is USB 2.0 certified. When I boot my
> machine with KNOPPIX and have the USB case plugged, I get fast transfer
> rates to my external disk (10MB/sec or so).
> 
> When I boot my regual installation of Debian (sarge), with both kernels
> 2.4.25 and 2.6.8 (installed via apt-get), the same modules are loaded
> (uhci-hcd and friends), but the system can only exchange data with the
> external drive VERY slowly (less than 500kb/sec).
> 
> usbview shows me at that time that the external USB device (correctly)
> advertises speeds of up to 480Mbps, but actual file transfers are
> extremely slow.

USB 2.0 should use the EHCI driver. Try preloading the module and see
what happens.

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Re: 82815 graphics controller config in debian 3 woody

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:47:32 +0530, VRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i have an integrated 82815 graphics controller
> i tried using the vesa driver
> it was working well for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> for higer depth 16 and 24, the screen was flickery...
> pls help
> thanks in advance
> vinay

Try finding out the correct frequency via XFree86 -configure.

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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:17 +0530, Micheal Mukherji wrote:
> > No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last
> > kopek that Paul is talking about:
> 
> Who said Linux sees CPU cache?
> He was asking the difference between the two.. or am I wrong?

Because Linux also has a "cache", as I pointed out in my previous
post.

Buffers:138752 kB   <<<
Cached: 326116 kB   <<<

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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Micheal Mukherji]

If I am not wrong, the standard OS terminology for it is "buffer
cache". I think this is what Paul was trying to differentiate from the
main "cache".

Paul, please confirm.


On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:13:17 -0500, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:17 +0530, Micheal Mukherji wrote:
> 
> 
> > > No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last
> > > kopek that Paul is talking about:
> >
> > Who said Linux sees CPU cache?
> > He was asking the difference between the two.. or am I wrong?
> 
> Because Linux also has a "cache", as I pointed out in my previous
> post.
> 
> Buffers:138752 kB   <<<
> Cached: 326116 kB   <<<
> 
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Re: SSH

[Micheal Mukherji]

> Use ssh-keygen to generate an RSA key pair. then copy the generated
> public key to all of your workstations' ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.

Shud it be to authorized_keys?
I think to avoid typing yes, he should make entries in ~/.ssh/known_hosts file. 

neways, since it asks only once, you can as well do it manually.


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Re: squirrelmail+uw-imapd broken

[Raymond A. Meijer]

On Mon 18 October 2004 18:41, lacharme wrote:

> dpkg-reconfigure uw-imapd  has no consequences
>
> As somebody any idea ? I know that using secured procedures woukd be
> better, but, I wish, in a first time, make things running as before
> (i.e. with authentification type : login).

Read /usr/share/doc/libc-client2002/md5.txt to use CRAM-MD5 authentication, 
and use 'squirrelmail-configure' to reconfigure the IMAP server settings 
for Squirrelmail (Options 2, A, 6).

This worked for me.


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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:52 +0530, Micheal Mukherji wrote:
> If I am not wrong, the standard OS terminology for it is "buffer
> cache". I think this is what Paul was trying to differentiate from the
> main "cache".

Sigh.  The Linux kernel has *both* "buffers" and "cache" both of
which are allocated from RAM.  That "cache" (which is currently
353400KB on my system) is certainly *not* the CPU cache, which
is only 512KB.  If you don't believe me, run "top", and see for 
your self.

> Paul, please confirm.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:13:17 -0500, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:17 +0530, Micheal Mukherji wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > > No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last
> > > > kopek that Paul is talking about:
> > >
> > > Who said Linux sees CPU cache?
> > > He was asking the difference between the two.. or am I wrong?
> > 
> > Because Linux also has a "cache", as I pointed out in my previous
> > post.
> > 
> > Buffers:138752 kB   <<<
> > Cached: 326116 kB   <<<

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Re: USE flags ??

[Matt Zagrabelny]

> Nothing like wasting hours to save usecs, that's for sure.

ive never used gentoo or any other compile from source distros, but my
understanding is that their main "selling point" is that one has greater
control over the dependencies of packages. the speed improvement is a
"side effect".

> 
> > But for some programs i need to set some additional flags (mysql, squid,
> > samba,...).

or one needs additional compile time features of packages. as the
original poster has said. again, no one is looking for additional
speed-ups of software.

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Re: How does linux boot

[Martin Dickopp]

Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
writes:

> So, Is the boot-loader so smart and powerful (much more that the
> kernel) that it reads data from the disk without knowing the type of
> disk and the filesystem type ? I mean the kernel requires modules to
> be loaded to detect the type of disk (scsi or ide) , type of
> filesystem etc.. The boot-loader doesn't require anything ? Amazing.

The BIOS knows how to access the disk physically (i.e. how to load a
certain sector given its sector number). If your mainboard has a SCSI
interface, its BIOS knows how to access disks connected to it. If you
have a separate SCSI card, it (i.e. the card) contains some BIOS code to
access the disks connected to it.

However, BIOSes usually access disks in a very simple, backward
compatible, slow way. While many OSes did indeed use the facilities of
the BIOS for all disk access until the late 1980's or early 1990's, this
would be *much* too slow for anything but initially loading the kernel
on more modern systems.

Some bootloaders (e.g. grub) do indeed have the capability to interpret
filesystems. Others just record the information in which sectors the
kernel is stored, so they don't have to interpret the filesystem in
order to load the kernel.

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Re: Who maintains orphaned packages?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Hello,
> I was checking the wnnp page and noted there are packages which have been
> orphaned for over 2 years. If someone reports perhaps an RC bug, can
> someone else fix that bug such that it will be accepted in the new stable
> system or does it have to have a maintainer before that? Thanks.

Anyone may make a fix and post it to BTS, and even create debs.
If debs are ready, he should write to debian-mentors, asking to sponsor an
upload.

See also http://qa.debian.org/


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Re: Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

>The bugs are *not* repeatable.  I can type make, have the make
> choke on something like the above, type make again, and it will get
> through the compile.

Are you sure you don't have hardware problems?
Most likely such gcc failures are caused by bad ram and/or processor
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Re: Set up virtual tap0 device on boot

[chris-usenet]

Damir Dezeljin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to set tap0 in promisc mode and add it to br0 bridge that is
> set up on boot from /etc/network/interfaces. I would like to avoid adding
> my own program for tap0 registration. Is there anything similar already
> implemented in 'standard' Debian boot sequence - e.g. in interfaces file?

I imagine that you could add some "up" entries to your definition of
br0. If you've got "tunctl" then that will allow you to create tapN,
and you can do stuff with "ip" or "ifconfig" to set promiscuous mode on
the resulting interface.

This *untested* snippet should bring up a bridge that connects eth0 and
tap0 to the host. It will get unhappy with if either eth0 and tap0 are
already configured, so you'll probably be better off with a script that
does some better error checking.

|   iface br0 inet static
|   address 192.168.0.1
|   netmask 255.255.255.0
|   gateway 192.168.0.254
|   pre-up  brctl addbr br0
|   pre-up  brctl setfd br0 0
|   pre-up  brctl sethello br0 0
|   pre-up  brctl stp br0 off
|   pre-up  ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc up
|   pre-up  tunctl -u uml-net tap0
|   pre-up  ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up
|   up  brctl addif br0 tap0
|   up  brctl addif br0 eth0
|   downbtctl delif br0 eth0
|   downbtctl delif br0 tap0
|   post-down   ifconfig tap0 down
|   post-down   tunctl -d tap0
|   post-down   ifconfig eth0 down
|   post-down   btctl delbr br0

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Re: SSH

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:02:21 +0530, Micheal Mukherji
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Use ssh-keygen to generate an RSA key pair. then copy the generated
> > public key to all of your workstations' ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.
> 
> Shud it be to authorized_keys?
> I think to avoid typing yes, he should make entries in ~/.ssh/known_hosts file.

~/.ssh/known_hosts contains a list of hosts together with their public
keys. This is used for verifying whether a remote host is authentic.
This file is automatically appended for each new host connected to,
and is subsequently checked everytime you try to connect to a remote
host.

Now, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys contains a list of hosts together with
their public keys. However, this is used for a remote host to be able
to connect to your machine non-interactively in a secure manner. This
file is NOT generated by default.

man ssh for more details

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Re: (sid) ACPI Errors on Boot (TP R40e)

[Riccardo Tortorici]

I use lilo and I booted with the pci=routeirq option..  unfortunately 
nothing do not work the same...
How can I fix those errors but, most important thing, what the hell they 
are?

Andreas Janssen wrote:
Hello
Riccardo Tortorici (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

during the boot sequence I have the following errors:
ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
at this point my laptop (IBM TP-R40e) freezes for about 2-3 seconds,
and then all is ok.
By the Way...regarding the irq 11. How can be possible all the devices
wants this holy irq 11? The output of lspci told me the :00:02.0
device is "USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev
03)"  . I googlized myself and I found a possible solution:
Boot with pci=routeirq ... how can i do it?

If you use lilo, append pci=routeirq (or pci=noacpi) to the boot prompt.
If you use grub, press "e", select the kernel line, press "e" again,
append the option, and press b.
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Nvidia installation (nvidia-kernel-source)

[Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro)]

Hello,

I'm pretty new to driver installations.
I downloaded with apt-get nvidia-kernel-source and now it is in my
/usr/src path.
How do i install it ?

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use of graphic card nVidia FX5700

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Hello!
 
 I have Debian distribution Woody 3.0r1 and wanted to install on my computer which has nVidia FX5700 graphic card.
 Do you know which package should be to select in dselect to correctly the X server?
 
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Re: Nvidia installation (nvidia-kernel-source)

[Matt Zagrabelny]

> I'm pretty new to driver installations.
> I downloaded with apt-get nvidia-kernel-source and now it is in my
> /usr/src path.
> How do i install it ?

phil,

you should check out http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net .
they have a section all about kernel compiling (and add on modules).

if you have any specific questions after that, let us know.

-matt


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Re: Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[James Wiggs]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 08:59, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> >The bugs are *not* repeatable.  I can type make, have the make
> > choke on something like the above, type make again, and it will get
> > through the compile.
> 
> Are you sure you don't have hardware problems?
> Most likely such gcc failures are caused by bad ram and/or processor
> overheat.

   I'd actually be relieved if it was a hardware problem, then I could
just by some replacement memory or whatever and be done with it.  Any
suggestions as to tests I could run to track that down?  I can run a
copy of Memtest86 on the box tonight.  I just don't see any other signs
of instability on the box, and it gets quite heavily used, compiling a
lot of code every day as a development server.  Is it just that g++ is
working the memory a lot harder than gcc/php/mysql/xfree86/everything
else?

thanks,
Jim


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Re: Dual Monitor Configuration - What Am I Missing?

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 02:01:50PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> I am trying to get my system set up to be able to output to the TV (an
> old Amiga monitor connected to a VCR).  Yesterday, I went ahead and
> purchased an S-Video to composite adapter and ran a cable from the
> S-Video Out port on my video card (NVidia Geforce 5600FX) to the video
> in port on the VCR.
> 
> When I rebooted, I was able to watch the boot process on the TV (kinda
> cool in a geeky way).  But when the system tried to load the X-Server,
> the screens (both the TV and my primary monitor, which is a Trinitron
> Multiscan 17Se set to 1280x1024-24 Bit Color) flashed the NVidia logo
> a few times and then crashed back to the console.  If it helps
> troubleshooting any, here are the relevant lines from my XF86Config-4
> file...  So, what do I have configured incorrectly here?

It might also help to provide your /var/log/XFree86.* file(s).  They
should have at least some indication of why X failed to start.

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Re: Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[James Wiggs]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 11:22, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 08:59, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> > > >The bugs are *not* repeatable.  I can type make, have the make
> > > > choke on something like the above, type make again, and it will get
> > > > through the compile.
> > >
> > > Are you sure you don't have hardware problems?
> > > Most likely such gcc failures are caused by bad ram and/or processor
> > > overheat.
> >
> >I'd actually be relieved if it was a hardware problem, then I could
> > just by some replacement memory or whatever and be done with it.  Any
> > suggestions as to tests I could run to track that down?  I can run a
> > copy of Memtest86 on the box tonight.  I just don't see any other signs
> > of instability on the box, and it gets quite heavily used, compiling a
> > lot of code every day as a development server.  Is it just that g++ is
> > working the memory a lot harder than gcc/php/mysql/xfree86/everything
> > else?
> 
> I'm not absolutely sure that it's hearware-related.
> However, non-reproducable ICE on normal hardware is something really 
> strange. G++ itself is completely deterministic.
> G++ on large files with hard usage of templates is something that exercises 
> CPU and memory seriously. So it *may* show problems that other load 
> doesn't show. On the other case, if the box is in heavy daily use, and no 
> hardware failures happen, maybe hardware is OK.
> 
> Strange. Very strange.
> 
> Can't you test compilation of library in question on another box?

   I only have the one box running Sarge; all my other boxes are
running Woody.  I specifically had to upgrade that box to Sarge
because there were unmet dependencies to compile the package under
Woody.  I can't compile on the other boxes because of the older
versions, and I can't upgrade them to Sarge.

   I have access to another box running RedHat 8.0; I will attempt
a compile over there.

thanks,
Jim


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Re: Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 08:59, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> > >The bugs are *not* repeatable.  I can type make, have the make
> > > choke on something like the above, type make again, and it will get
> > > through the compile.
> >
> > Are you sure you don't have hardware problems?
> > Most likely such gcc failures are caused by bad ram and/or processor
> > overheat.
>
>I'd actually be relieved if it was a hardware problem, then I could
> just by some replacement memory or whatever and be done with it.  Any
> suggestions as to tests I could run to track that down?  I can run a
> copy of Memtest86 on the box tonight.  I just don't see any other signs
> of instability on the box, and it gets quite heavily used, compiling a
> lot of code every day as a development server.  Is it just that g++ is
> working the memory a lot harder than gcc/php/mysql/xfree86/everything
> else?

I'm not absolutely sure that it's hearware-related.
However, non-reproducable ICE on normal hardware is something really 
strange. G++ itself is completely deterministic.
G++ on large files with hard usage of templates is something that exercises 
CPU and memory seriously. So it *may* show problems that other load 
doesn't show. On the other case, if the box is in heavy daily use, and no 
hardware failures happen, maybe hardware is OK.

Strange. Very strange.

Can't you test compilation of library in question on another box?


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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Eric Gaumer]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 00:37, Paul Johnson wrote:
> OK, this is probably the most obvious question ever, but I just can't
> find it in Google or Wikipedia.
> 
> Just what the heck is the difference between buffer and cache in terms
> of memory usage?  What is each catagory used for?

Kernel buffer cache stores the most recently accessed blocks from a
block device.

Kernel cache stores cached kernel data structures. So say you create a
process, a new task_struct may be created. When that process is
destroyed, the kernel will cache that data structure so that it doesn't
have to keep allocating and destroying common data structures. This is
the purpose of the slab layer.

Think about creating a linked list of 128,000 nodes structures. If you
delete 1000 nodes you could choose not to call free() but instead manage
that heap memory with a list of pointers. When you want to add a new
node, rather than call malloc() you could just use a pointer from your
list or a "cached node".

This is the conceptual idea behind kernel cache and the slab layer.

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Re: SSH

[Micheal Mukherji]

> This file is automatically appended for each new host connected to,
> and is subsequently checked everytime you try to connect to a remote
> host.

Yes. So to avoid typing yes, an entry should be in the known_hosts file.
To avoid typing password, an entry shud be made in the authorized_keys file. 


> Now, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys contains a list of hosts together with
> their public keys. However, this is used for a remote host to be able
> to connect to your machine non-interactively in a secure manner. This
> file is NOT generated by default.

It does not contain just host, but contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> man ssh for more details
Same from me. :-)


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Re: Memory usage: buffer and cache

[Eric Gaumer]

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 04:23, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> No, because Linux doesn't see the CPU cache.  I'd bet my last 
> kopek that Paul is talking about:
> 
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  1003760 kB
> MemFree: 89652 kB
> Buffers:138752 kB   <<<
> Cached: 326116 kB   <<<
> SwapCached:   7260 kB

Actually in this context (meminfo) "Cached" refers to pagecache (i.e.
the amount of memory used to cache physical pages).

It is pagecache - swapcache

> Slab:   203148 kB

This shows cache used by the slab layer (i.e. cached data structures).

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Compaq ProLiant DL320 Running Sarge Hangs During POST Following Warm Reboot

[Michael G. Morey]

All,

I just installed Debian Sarge a Compaq ProLiant DL320, and whenever I
perform a warm reboot by either typing "reboot" at the shell prompt or
by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Delete, it performs an orderly shutdown, the screen
goes blank, and it hangs during POST, displaying:

   1152 MB

Processor:   Pentium (R) III processor 1.00 GHz with 256 KB cache

The cursor blinks a line or two below, and five to ten minutes later,
it's still sitting there, and I've got to perform a cold reboot (press
and hold power button, release).

Is this a bug in the Compaq BIOS, a bug in Sarge, or does anyone know of
a patch or a work-around?

Thanks.

Michael
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Re: aptitude, dpkg, apt

[Sergio Basurto]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:39:23 +0100, nx13372a wrote:

> 
> How can i print this:
> 
> Versions of packages clamav depends on:
> ii  clamav-base 0.80-2   Base
> package for clamav, an anti-v
> ii  clamav-freshclam [clamav-da 0.80-2   Downloads
> clamav virus databases f
> ii  libbz2-1.0  1.0.2-1  A
> high-quality block-sorting file 
> ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-16 GNU C
> Library: Shared libraries an
> ii  libclamav1  0.80-2   Virus
> scanner library
> ii  libcurl37.12.1-1
> Multi-protocol file transfer libra
> ii  libgmp3 4.1.4-1 
> Multiprecision arithmetic library
> ii  libidn110.5.2-3  GNU
libidn
> library, implementation
> ii  libssl0.9.7 0.9.7d-5 SSL
shared
> libraries
> ii  zlib1g  1:1.2.1.1-7 
> compression library - runtime
> 
> thanks
> 

apt-cache rdepends clamav

I hope this help

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Re: aptitude, dpkg, apt

[Sergio Basurto]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:39:23 +0100, nx13372a wrote:

> 
> How can i print this:
> 
> Versions of packages clamav depends on:
> ii  clamav-base 0.80-2   Base
> package for clamav, an anti-v
> ii  clamav-freshclam [clamav-da 0.80-2   Downloads
> clamav virus databases f
> ii  libbz2-1.0  1.0.2-1  A
> high-quality block-sorting file 
> ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-16 GNU C
> Library: Shared libraries an
> ii  libclamav1  0.80-2   Virus
> scanner library
> ii  libcurl37.12.1-1
> Multi-protocol file transfer libra
> ii  libgmp3 4.1.4-1 
> Multiprecision arithmetic library
> ii  libidn110.5.2-3  GNU
libidn
> library, implementation
> ii  libssl0.9.7 0.9.7d-5 SSL
shared
> libraries
> ii  zlib1g  1:1.2.1.1-7 
> compression library - runtime
> 
> thanks
> 

apt-cache rdepends clamav

I hope this help

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Re: aptitude, dpkg, apt

[Sergio Basurto]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:39:23 +0100, nx13372a wrote:

> 
> How can i print this:
> 
> Versions of packages clamav depends on:
> ii  clamav-base 0.80-2   Base
> package for clamav, an anti-v
> ii  clamav-freshclam [clamav-da 0.80-2   Downloads
> clamav virus databases f
> ii  libbz2-1.0  1.0.2-1  A
> high-quality block-sorting file 
> ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-16 GNU C
> Library: Shared libraries an
> ii  libclamav1  0.80-2   Virus
> scanner library
> ii  libcurl37.12.1-1
> Multi-protocol file transfer libra
> ii  libgmp3 4.1.4-1 
> Multiprecision arithmetic library
> ii  libidn110.5.2-3  GNU
libidn
> library, implementation
> ii  libssl0.9.7 0.9.7d-5 SSL
shared
> libraries
> ii  zlib1g  1:1.2.1.1-7 
> compression library - runtime
> 
> thanks
> 

apt-cache rdepends clamav

I hope this help

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Re: aptitude, dpkg, apt

[nx13372a]

Sergio Basurto wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:39:23 +0100, nx13372a wrote:
 

How can i print this:
Versions of packages clamav depends on:
ii  clamav-base 0.80-2   Base
package for clamav, an anti-v
ii  clamav-freshclam [clamav-da 0.80-2   Downloads
clamav virus databases f
ii  libbz2-1.0  1.0.2-1  A
high-quality block-sorting file 
ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-16 GNU C
Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libclamav1  0.80-2   Virus
scanner library
ii  libcurl37.12.1-1
Multi-protocol file transfer libra
ii  libgmp3 4.1.4-1 
Multiprecision arithmetic library
ii  libidn110.5.2-3  GNU
   

libidn
 

library, implementation
ii  libssl0.9.7 0.9.7d-5 SSL
   

shared
 

libraries
ii  zlib1g  1:1.2.1.1-7 
compression library - runtime

thanks
   

apt-cache rdepends clamav
I hope this help
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No it's not the same. There's no version for each package.
Every one when submit a bug use the format above!
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RE: SSH

[Gilbert, Joseph]

So, you already have your keys generated and installed.

Here are the ssh options I use in my automation:

ssh -q -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no

The StrictHostKeyChecking is the option that does what you were asking
about.  I feed it in as an argument to ssh within the script so that I do
not have change it globally for any ssh client on that machine.  

The -q merely puts it in quiet mode and suppresses warnings and errors.
More info is in ssh's man page.

Joe

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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SSH


Greeting all!

I am trying to write a script that ssh to all the computers in my
school and perform automated tasks.  For a machine say, p30, i can
just put ssh p30  in my script to execute that command.  I
have public-key authentication so no password is required.

Now if this is the first time I login to that machine, I will 
get the question

The authenticity of host 'p30 ' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is .
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?

And I have to type yes or no.  This is annoying since the script
should be able to run automatically.  How can I make the script to
accept this automatically?

Thanks in advance!


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RE: swap space size

[Gilbert, Joseph]

-Original Message-
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Well, that used to be the rule of thumb for a Linux-specific problem
> with swap space.  Today, you can run without swap without a problem.
> I keep a gig of swap on hand to avoid out of memory problems at all
> costs and have never hit that.


This is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for.  I strongly suspected
that the 2x physical memory rule was the result of some old bug/problem that
has long been handled and that now, it really becomes a choice of your
system, its needs and the needs of your users.  

Joe


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Re: use of graphic card nVidia FX5700

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 07:29:40AM -0700, Csaba wrote:
> Hello!
>  
>  I have Debian distribution Woody 3.0r1 and wanted to install on my computer
> which has nVidia FX5700 graphic card.
>  Do you know which package should be to select in dselect to correctly the X
> server?

xserver-xfree86 ?

Kenward
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Re: Sound problems

[robin]

Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro) wrote:
Hello,
I have a dell workstation 470 with (of course) debian.
The soundcard is a:
Analog Devices ADI 198x and this should be a Intel 82801DB AC'97
(according a post i found on google) but i don't know how to install it
or what driver to use (don't find anything in the new kernel config in
sound about this piece of hardware).
Anyone has experience with it ?
Cheers,
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www.alsa-project.org appears to be back now. It's worth checking it out. 
It should just be a case of: modprobe snd-intel8x0 and adjusting the 
volume levels via a mixer.

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Re: Nvidia installation (nvidia-kernel-source)

[Frederik Dannemare]

On Friday 22 October 2004 16:42, Philippe Dhont   (Sea-ro) wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm pretty new to driver installations.
> I downloaded with apt-get nvidia-kernel-source and now it is in my
> /usr/src path.
> How do i install it ?

I wrote a short howto last time I installed nvidia onto a few new sarge 
installations. Maybe you can use some of it:

# Make sure you contrib and non-free are included in your lines
# in /etc/apt/sources.list. E.g.:
#
deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free


## If kernel 2.4.x
#
apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-686


## If kernel 2.6.x
#
# Update available package list.
#
sudo apt-get update

# Get the packages needed for installation of the nvidia driver.
# In this example I assume that you already run the 2.6.7 kernel
# (-1-386 revision) and there must choose the 2.6.7 kernel sources.
#
sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package \
 kernel-source-2.6.7 nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev \
 nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source

# Make yourself owner of everything in /usr/src. Make it a
# habbit not compiling as root, since you don't really need to.
#
chown -R frederik:frederik /usr/src  (execute as root)
cd /usr/src
tar jxvf kernel-source-2.6.7.tar.bz2
tar zxvf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz
ln -sf kernel-source-2.6.7 linux
cd linux
cp /boot/config-2.6.7-1-386 .config
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-386 modules_clean
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-386 modules_image
sudo dpkg -i \
 ../nvidia-kernel-2.6.7-1-386_1.0.6111-1+10.00.Custom_i386.deb
depmod -a

# Configure the X server
# - deselect the 'GLcore' and 'dri' modules
# - make sure 'glx' is being loaded
# - use 'nvidia' as driver instead of 'nv'


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how to change font of desktop icons

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

Hi
   I am using KDE, debian sid update regularly. Can someone please
tell me how to change the size of the fonts used for kde-desktop
icons. I searched google and went around the kcontrol window but could
not find anything. Any hacks, suggestions would be very helpful.

I find that the fonts used by kde desktop icons to be too large and
distracting. So I would like to use a smaller sized font if possible.

thanks in advance
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kopete problem after upgrade

[techlists]

A recent upgrade on my Sid Desktop has produced a strange problem with
kopete.  Now on my contact list every other contact is encased in a dark
grey.  The program functions ok, but it makes the contacts hard to read
and is quite annoying.  I've checked the settings and can find no way to
fix the problem.  This is the only program that I have seen behaving in
this manner.  Anybody have a clue to where I can fix this problem.

Wayne




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Re: [OT] Debian advocacy for Smart but Scared People With Lives

[Andy Firman]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 03:28:05PM -0400, William Ballard wrote:
> And I spent a month getting all Debian's eyecandy and hardware 
> acceleration working.  And mutt was ridiculous at first compared to 
> Outlook.  

You can say that again!!!  It is funny as hell to look back at how 
foreign it felt getting started with Linux and progams like Mutt.  Hah!
Now I can't live without Mutt.

> Now of course, I see the world very differently

Me toobut I am tired of preaching about the beauty and freedom
of using Linux, and am confident it will continue to spread slowly
but surely.  No question in my mind.

>  but I just don't know how to make someone else motivated to make 
> this leap of faith.

Well you can do what I did a few months ago.  My brother needed a new 
computer, so I told him about getting a Dell Poweredge with 
no operating system.  (no Microsft tax..score)
You can get a Poweredge for about $300 shipped with rebate and I have
bought at least 10 of them in the past.  They make great workstations.

Anyhow, I made a deal with him and he did about 8 hours of carpentry
work on my house, and I installed Debian on the Poweredge for him.
Got him a beautiful KDE desktop with audio, networking, printing, etc

He LOVES it!!!

He learned how to forward port 22 on his Linksys router so I can ssh
in and take care of business.  I am now 300 miles away from him.
Just got his Kodak digital camera working for him via command like with ssh.

He loves the feeling of browsing the repository, picking out games and 
educational tools for his kids, and having me install with apt-get.

He loves knowing that spyware is not getting installed with the 
"freeware" software.  He loves not having to worry about spyware and
viruses and browser hijacks with IE.  He loves Firefox and Thunderbird.

Now he is bragging about it to all the other Cops at the Police
Department and they all want Linux desktops now.

Linux does not have the $Billions in marketing money that MS has,
but stories like mine happen every day around the world, and that
is why I am confident that the "leap of faith" you ask about,
will happen slowly and surely.

Andy


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software suspend 2 (swsusp2), patching a Debian source package kernel vs Vanilla

[H. S.]

On the webpage 
(http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/Software-suspend-2.html) in Section 
2.4, they say regarding swsusp2 patches :
"If your kernel is not the vanilla one from kernel.org, you will have to 
apply these patches manually and edit some of the rejected hunks."

Is the source I get from Debian sources "kernel-source-XYZ" vanilla?
If it is, I could just do
$> patch -p1 ../patch-name-here
and continue with:
$>make menuconfig
$>make-kpkg --append-to-version=.2.hs --initrd kernel_image modules_image
$>..install the deb ...
$> rm /usr/src/linux
and reboot
However, if the kernel-source-XYZ we get from Debian is NOT vanilla, 
applying the above patch would be more convoluted so I might as well 
just use the kernel directly from kernel.org (or a mirror).

Thanks,
->HS
PS: is the user.laptop mailing usually much less quiter than this one?
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Re: Nvidia installation (nvidia-kernel-source)

[Andrew Schulman]

> I downloaded with apt-get nvidia-kernel-source and now it is in my
> /usr/src path.
> How do i install it ?

http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html


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W2K connectivity to Samba server

[Curtis Vaughan]

Anyone have any ideas about the following problem.
We have a W2K Advanced Server as a PDC in a domain: WINDOMAIN
And we have a Samba 2.x server as the PDC (through LDAP & PAM) of 
another domain: LINUXDOMAIN

Any computer in WINDOMAIN can access shares on any computer (Linux, 
Windows, etc.) in LINUXDOMAIN (provided the appropriate credentials are 
used for LINUXDOMAIN) except the W2K PDC. No matter what, it cannot 
access any shares in LINUXDOMAIN. It just keeps reasking for the login 
and password, saying that the previous login/password attempt was: 
"Incorrect password or unknown user name for:"

NB: We also have an NT4 domain: NT4DOMAIN, which the W2K PDC accesses 
just fine.

Of course, I use the convention LINUXDOMAIN\username for logging in.
Any input would be most appreciated.
Thanks!
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kernel compile error

[Jule Slootbeek]

Hey all
	I'm just trying to install 2.6.9 and am getting this error, i have no 
idea why

dolphy:/usr/src/linux# make bzImage
/bin/sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
make: *** [include/linux/version.h] Error 2
the only include/linux/version.h i can find is in /usr/include/linux/ 
which looks like this

#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.0-test7"
#define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132608
#define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c))
I'm not sure why it says 2.6.0-test7, but for the rest i don't see 
anything wrong with this.

anybody ahve an idea?
thanks
-JSS
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udev with Xwindows and winmodems,

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Having installed the udev.deb package, the following problems have been
encountered.

1) Xwindows does not start unless first, /etc/init.d/udev stop
Once Xwindows is up, it is retained after /etc/init.d/udev restart

2) The Lucent winmodem uses   /dev/ttyLT0  c 62  64 
with a symbolic link to it.   Neither is in the /dev/  created during a
bootup with udev called

3) /dev/ppp needed for dialup is not created by udev either.

Suggestions would be appreciated as the udev documentation is still quite
lean and the provided examples are not cogent to these three problems.

MarvS



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Mail Server Questions

[Phil Bardanes]

Hi, noob here. 

We have five machines running various OSes (only one Windows box) with a
Debian sarge business server on our private network. Everything is run
through a dedicated firewall using iptables rules for NAT, packet
filtering, port forwarding, etc. We also have a public server for our
public website. We are using a shared dynamic IP and dyndns.org.

I know very little about setting up mail servers, but I can figure out
the set up of the actual software. The problem is whether the software
will do what I want. This is what I want to do, and I want to start out
in a way that I can understand. I think that I just want to set up a
POP/IMAP server only. I do not want a domain associated with the
mailserver. 

I want to set up the mail server to check and download email for all of
our accounts from various POP servers and store it on our business
server on our private network. Then, each user can download his/her
email for the given account from the business server at whatever point
they want. I want them to have the capability of leaving mail on the
business server or removing it (IMAP/POP). 

For sending mail, I just want to use our ISP's smtp server, so I do not
need a smtp server. I can just use the local machine's MTA to send the
mail. So, the send process can bypass the mail server.

How would you suggest that I do this? Would sendmail, exim, qmail do
this? Are there any links that cover this that you would suggest?

Thanks!

PB


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Re: Bugs in g++ on Sarge?

[Rogério Brito]

On Oct 22 2004, James Wiggs wrote:
>I have access to another box running RedHat 8.0; I will attempt
> a compile over there.

You might want to create a chroot install of sarge there (or in any other
computer you can) to test if it is really g++ doing bad things.


Hope this helps, Rogério.

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RE: kernel compile error

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Jule

The /usr/include/version.h in general does not match
the /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h which will be created during a
kernel configureation

Try
 # make mrproper
before
 # make bzImage

MarvS
Original Message:
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From: Jule Slootbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:32:25 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: kernel compile error


Hey all
I'm just trying to install 2.6.9 and am getting this error, i have no 
idea why

dolphy:/usr/src/linux# make bzImage
/bin/sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
make: *** [include/linux/version.h] Error 2

the only include/linux/version.h i can find is in /usr/include/linux/ 
which looks like this

#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.0-test7"
#define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132608
#define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c))

I'm not sure why it says 2.6.0-test7, but for the rest i don't see 
anything wrong with this.

anybody ahve an idea?

thanks

-JSS

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Re: kernel compile error

[Jule Slootbeek]

that worked, strange, did some stuff change in the config file?
-JSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jule
The /usr/include/version.h in general does not match
the /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h which will be created during a
kernel configureation
Try
 # make mrproper
before
 # make bzImage
MarvS
Original Message:
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From: Jule Slootbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:32:25 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: kernel compile error
Hey all
	I'm just trying to install 2.6.9 and am getting this error, i have no 
idea why

dolphy:/usr/src/linux# make bzImage
/bin/sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
make: *** [include/linux/version.h] Error 2
the only include/linux/version.h i can find is in /usr/include/linux/ 
which looks like this

#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.0-test7"
#define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132608
#define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c))
I'm not sure why it says 2.6.0-test7, but for the rest i don't see 
anything wrong with this.

anybody ahve an idea?
thanks
-JSS
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customizing gnome icons on task bars

[H. S.]

Given Debian Unstable, can I customize the the appearance of the icons 
that appear on the task bar using the 'add applet' (or something 
similar) option by right clicking on taskbar?

I am trying to change the icons (or the pop-up labels) of the volume 
controls. I have a control for PCM, speaker and headphones. All appear 
to be the same. Even the pop up messages that appear when I place the 
mouse over the speaker icons say "Volume Control". I would like to 
modify either the icons or the labels or both. Suggestions?

thanks,
->HS

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