Re: [OT] yahoo protocol switching
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nori Heikkinen wrote: >> noticed today that yahoo has again switched protocols, making it >> impossible to connect from gaim. the quick fix suggested on /. >> has anyone else been bitten by this, and found a workaround? > >usually the yahoo web messenger works, good as an emergency until > the other ones catch up Though the long-term answer is to just avoid the proprietary protocols to begin with. -- Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more. pgplSd74EFzB2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to set up debian from fedora core 2
On Thursday 24 June 2004 08:45 am, Stefan Seefeld wrote: > debootstrap, then run it to prepare a debian partition. Then I chroot into > that to configure it. Everything runs more or less smoothly (I'm unable to I'm glad you got that sorted, and glad I'm not the only one crazy enough to attempt that. It was only just a month or so ago that I finally installed Debian with an installer for the first time. I did my chroot deal from Mandrake 8.1. (I was working on an uptime record at the time, and I figured I might as well continue to build up my uptime while learning about Debian. :) I found it to be really quite a challenge, and it was a fun exercise. In retrospect though, my properly installed Debian boxes work better. I missed a number of useful packages installing in chroot the way I did, and I reused things like XF86Config-4 and lilo.conf from Mandrake, which caused no end of minor, irritating problems along the way. Nothing major or unavoidable though. The main reason I decided to do a real install was because I got a cable modem, and I wanted some excuse to use it. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AUTOFS to mount either via SMB or NFS, how?
> I tried two (almost identical) entries in the map dataset for autofs, but if > the first one is not successfull, it doesnt even try the second entry. I'm am not sure if doing this is possible with the kernel-based autofs automounter. What I am sure about that this is possible using the AMD automounter, which is also a Debian package. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/2eafe and in particular section 9.6.1., which is an expansion of the what I found in http://tinyurl.com/2hvra. The above deals only with the 'fallback' handling, but it would be trivial to specify that the fallback is not to mounted with fstype nfs, but with smb instead. Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: options - Re: ntp server
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 06:36, Greg Folkert wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:greg]$ dpkg -l | grep ntp > ii ntp4.2.0a-8 Network Time Protocol: network utilities > ii ntp-doc4.2.0a-8 Network Time Protocol: documentation > ii ntp-server 4.2.0a-8 Network Time Protocol: common server tools > ii ntp-simple 4.2.0a-8 Network Time Protocol: daemon for simple sys > ii ntpdate4.2.0a-8 The ntpdate client for setting system time f I have the same package set installed. > Gives me this (I use IP addys so I don;t have to worry about DNS > failing) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:greg]$ ntpq -cpe > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter > == > LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)12 l 837 1024 3770.0000.000 0.001 > *192.168.1.200 132.163.4.1012 u 47 1024 3770.218 -31.756 7.610 >From my laptop I get the following: zen8100a:~# ntpq -cpe remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === whiskas .INIT. 16 u- 102400.0000.000 4000.00 *LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l 207 1024 3770.0000.000 0.001 Which, when I read the man page (file:///usr/share/doc/ntp-doc/html/ntpq.html) for ntpq, seems to say that the space at the start of the "whiskas" lines means that server is not available. Given its delay and offset of zero, this also makes sense. The port is accessible: --- zen8100a:~# nmap -sU -p 122-124 -vv whiskas Starting nmap 3.50 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-06-25 17:03 EST Host whiskas (192.168.0.4) appears to be up ... good. Initiating UDP Scan against whiskas (192.168.0.4) at 17:03 The UDP Scan took 2 seconds to scan 3 ports. Adding open port 123/udp Interesting ports on whiskas (192.168.0.4): PORTSTATE SERVICE 122/udp closed smakynet 123/udp open ntp 124/udp closed ansatrader Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.350 seconds --- So why oh why can't my ntp programs reach my server? tia zen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
Hi, Thanks for reply. I am a student. I am working on project related to Device drivers. So i tryed to write my own device drivers. I used a function "copy_to_user" in my code. The code compile fine but at the time of "insmod ./test.o" (test.o is object file of my code) it shows copy_to_user unresolved symbole. So if u ahv any solution of this prob pls let me know On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Ishwar Rattan wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Harish Singh Bohara wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > This is harish. I got ur is from net. I have some prob. And i > > was trying to load my module by "insmod ./test.o". But i am getting > > this prob. So could u help me. > Not enough details to make even a wild guess! > > -ishwar > -- harish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: options - Re: ntp server
Sorry, left out my configs: server config: --- whiskas:~# cat /etc/ntp.conf driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift server time-server.bigpond.net.au server tk1.ihug.com.au server tk2.ihug.com.au server tk3.ihug.com.au server pool.ntp.org server 127.127.1.0 fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 logconfig all logfile /var/log/xntpd broadcastdelay 0.008 broadcast 192.168.0.0 restrict default nomodify notrust restrict 127.0.0.1 disable auth #broadcastclient --- laptop config: --- $ cat /etc/ntp.conf driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift server whiskas #server time-server.bigpond.net.au #server tk1.ihug.com.au #server tk2.ihug.com.au #server tk3.ihug.com.au #server pool.ntp.org server 127.127.1.0 fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 13 logconfig all logfile /var/log/xntpd broadcastclient disable auth --- ta zen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any idea to disable ?
Yes, comment out the 'ca' entry in /etc/inittab and get init to reload the config file with the command 'telinit q'. You need to be root to do both. Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to get NFS and SMB installed and working.
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:19 am, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (07/06/04 18:59), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > I asked earlier about getting the NFS server > A good place to start is: > > http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba.html > > There is also a good nfs Howto in woody: > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS_HOWTO.gz In what package do I find this file? I have installed the packages doc-linux-text and doc-linux-html and still can't find NFS_HOWTO.gz Whilst I am running a testing/sarge system and not a woody system, I would have thought there should be some kind of NFS HOWTO be found. In any case a query of the packages database tells me: "Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture." When I enter: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?\ word=NFS_HOWTO&searchmode=searchfiles&\ case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 or http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?\ word=NFS_HOWTO.gz&searchmode=searchfiles&\ case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 TIA James -- James Sinnamon jps at westnet com auStralia ph +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123, +61 2 95726357 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to get NFS and SMB installed and working.
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:13, James Sinnamon wrote: > > There is also a good nfs Howto in woody: > > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS_HOWTO.gz > > In what package do I find this file? I have installed doc-linux-html - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in HTML format doc-linux-text - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in ASCII format cheers zen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kuckview full screen
Does anybody knows how to make kuickshow work in full screen mode. I am using debian sarge distribution. It worked before the latest upgrade. Any tip will be much apreciated. Tad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
audie macapal wrote: It is true that Devian/Linux OS and softwares cannot be infected by computer virus? This is a Linux virus. Please send a copy to everyone whose email address you have As root, do this: /sbin/mke2fs -F -q /dev/hda -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: XF86Config problem serverflags section or xset
Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 01:58:42PM +0200, Paal Marker wrote: I need to prevent a box from blanking out. In redhat8 I could succesfully put this section in the end of /etc/X11/XF86Config Section "Serverflags" Option "BlankTime""0" Option "StandbyTime" "0" Option "SuspendTime" "0" Option "OffTime" "0" EndSection The result of putting in this section is that the X server will not start By googling I found that this syntax could also be used Section "Serverflags" Option "blank time""0"Option "standby time" "0" Option "suspend time" "0" Option "off time" "0" EndSection Same result, no X startx gives error message: Option "blank time""0" server flags section keyword expected I copied the serverflags section from redhat8's XF86Config, where it worked fine. What does debian demand of syntax here? I've got "xset s off" in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc. Works fine. Yes, you are right, and I have tried it. Correct on this system will be 'xset s off -display ":0"' But the problem is that anyway where I put that command to execute , be in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc or /home/kiosk/.xsession or wherever it does not work. However, if I log in remote by ssh and execute xset s off -display ":0" from bash prompt, it works fine. According to man xset, the xset command must be executed after all applications, so I have tried to execute it from the last line of /home/user/.xsession. I had the same problem making kiosks with redhat as well, and ended up by solving it with the serverflags section in XF86Config. Continuing exploring the section "serverflags" problem: From linux single start and the startx I get the error message: Config Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config:269 (wich is the line where the first option in the section serverflags starts) _Option__ "BlankTime" "0" Server flags keyword expected Remark here that it is the Option word that is underlined in the message, the underlning is made by ^^^ these characters. Does it tell me that 'Option' is an invalid keyword in this section? The Xserver used is xserver-s3 I will be happy for advice for any solution here, being by XF86Config and serverflags, or how to execute xset s off -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:38:26 -0700, Daved Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps you've misunderstood the concept of "Beta". :) Uh, no. Been on quite a few betas in my time. > If you think it lacks features or doesnt work how it would best suit > you have you botherd to send a "feature request/suggestion/comment" > message to their customer support group? Nope because the problem stems from the very core of how they are doing things. > Personaly, I think GMail is great for viewing mailing lists with, it's > primarily the only application I use it for... since for most other > communication I'd rather send mail from my personal domain name. How so? It is extremely bad for it. I gave it the most simple of tests. 2 lists. That's it. 2 lists. I'm on the same 2 lists elsewhere. In GMail it is a mess and that mess stems from what they are doing. On the traditional client or even another webmail client it isn't as much of a mess. > It's use of Labels is simliar to any other mail application segmenting > messages into different Folders. Granted. But tell me how I can get a clear, concise view of new mail in a reasonable manner using labels. First problem, labels include all archived mail. Of course since they make it so difficult to actually delete mail it means that in less than an hour or two using labels to separate things out is a complete and total mess. There's no clear deliniation between new and old mail. > Tho, their filter rules are adequate but they could use more options, > some of which they are already working on. You'd think they'd just have a simple option of allowing complete headers to be filered on so we could use "List-id: debian-user@" as a filter. Nope. > Their spam filters do require a good bit of training and have a > problem with flagging legitimate messages as spam in the beginning. Quite so. > I'm curious as to why you consider Hotmail as better? Because Hotmail is not taking the tried and true methods of the past and throw them out the window. With Hotmail the basics are covered up front. Folders, check. Filters to get mail into those folders (not great, but hey, it's Hotmail) check, the ability to see at a glance what folders have new mail and be able to find it at a glance, know who its from at a glance and what it's about, check. Those aren't possible with GMail. Great, so this "conversation" consists of Steve, Daved, James, John and Louie. Only one of those is readily identifiable, the rest are rather common names. On my main client, Hotmail and my own Webmail (Squirrelmail) I can at least tell at a glance who it is from, identify relevant and current threads as opposed to "Oh, this one was replied to recently" and, here's the kicker, selectively delete messages. In GMail you either archive (which causes problems), delete whole threads (thereby running the risk of deleting the one or two messages you want to keep) or go through a 5-step process per message to delete it. That's a fundimental and basic problem stemming from their attempt to throw out the tried and true method of reading mail and replace it with something new but ultimately inferior. Great concept, could be better integrated into how things are done instead of trying to foist another screwy way of doing things that will have net vets gnashing their teeth for years to come just like top posting has done. >.< Geh, sorry Daved for the duplicate, forgot to reset the to field on the 2nd edit. Uhm, but the good thing is I forgot one more point. 2 lists. Debian-user and Exim. 1Mb a day. Which means under the flawed archive method this account lasts a little over 2 years. Just slightly less than "forever". Of course this isn't a full mail load and my mail load, outside of debian-user, is actually surprisingly light. My parents, for example, whoa not many high-volume lists like d-u but LOTS of moderate volume lists. 1Mb a day is an understatement for them. IE, limited space, no matter what the limit + a fscking difficult way to delete mail effectively = of limited use to all but the most casual user. -- Displaced but never erased. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Squid Analysis Package on Debian?
Is there a tool for a squid analyzer log for debian like this one.. http://sarg.sourceforge.net/sarg.php thanks -- Louie Miranda http://www.axishift.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squid Analysis Package on Debian?
i mean, any other tool like this one. http://people.debian.org/~luigi/sarg/ On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:44:08 +0800, Louie Miranda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a tool for a squid analyzer log for debian like this one.. > > http://sarg.sourceforge.net/sarg.php > > thanks > > -- > Louie Miranda > http://www.axishift.com > -- Louie Miranda http://www.axishift.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any idea to disable ?
Wasily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there any idea to disable ? Include Option "DontZap" "yes" in the "ServerLayout" section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Also see the XF86Config-4 manual page. Martin -- ,--.Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- ) http://www.zero-based.org/ ((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-' `-'(. .)`-' `-. Debian, a variant of the GNU operating system. \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:12:06PM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:35:48 -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > > No, but [Red Hat] were always a company looking to make money off > > of their product (not that there's anything wrong with that). Debian > > has no such plans, and that's one of the reasons why I trust them to do > > what's right rather than what's profitable. > > As do we all(!), I'm sure Debian developers must sometimes do the wrong > thing for the right reason or the right thing for the wrong reason. > > The key word here, and I quote, is "trust." Debian's developers have > earned the trust they're receiving. Well said! David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can not compile kde, some xmkmf problem
2004. június 25. 08:48, Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:13:23PM +0200, LeVA said > > > 2004. június 24. 04:31, > > Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -> Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 11:54:05AM +0200, LeVA said > > > > > > Since XFree86 4.4.0 isn't in Debian, you must have installed it > > > from a tarball or something. You'll need to point the KDE > > > configure script at the location you unpacked it to. Or just > > > install the Debian packaged X headers. > > > > The /usr/X11R6 install path is standard, so the configure must find > > the dir > > Um, you installed a binary tarball of X to /usr/X11R6? That's a > *really* bad idea. Nonetheless, Debian has the X headers packaged. > Or get them from XFree86. I don't want to get the debian packaged xfree.. I've installed xf-4.4.0 from the binary package from xfree86.org. And what could be the problem with the /usr/X11R/ install dir? :)) That *is* the default install path, and I think installing to anywhere else is a *really* bad idea... -- LeVA pgpxHNywJ8kmO.pgp Description: signature
Re: All mozilla-based browsers crash on some sites
Dan Korostelev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:38 -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> > I have three mozilla-based browsers installed: Mozilla itself, Firefox >> > and Epiphany (my main browser), and each of them crash on some sites. >> > For example on http://incoming.debian.org/ or >> > http://people.debian.org/~mvo and other (non-debian too) >> So... Debug it! There's a good reason why all this software in Debian >> is free (as in speech). > Dunno how. This may be somewhat helpful, though it would probably make more sense if you built mozilla from the upstream source. http://www.mozilla.org/unix/debugging-faq.html Aside from strace, you can also try: * Running mozilla through valgrind. It will be painfully slow though, and you may need to fiddle with the environment to get mozilla to run using the /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin instead of the /usr/bin/mozilla wrapper script. * Attaching gdb and get a backtrace at the segfault In addition, since Debian binaries are usually stripped, it can be helpful to rebuild the package to get unstripped binaries that contain more debugging information. For most packages, you can accomplish this with: $ DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage Also, passing noopt may be useful too. > Here's a bzipped "strace mozilla http://incoming.debian.org > 2> mozilla-strace". Please look at it if you can. Hope it helps... Nope, I don't see anything interesting... -- You win again, gravity! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any idea to disable ?
On Friday 25 June 2004 08:48, Alexis Huxley hurled the following on the wire: > Yes, comment out the 'ca' entry in /etc/inittab and get init > to reload the config file with the command 'telinit q'. > > You need to be root to do both. > > Alexis I've got this in my /etc/inittab: # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE ca::ctrlaltdel:/usr/bin/clear & /usr/bin/wall < /root/ctrlaltdel /root/ctrlaltdel looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sds]# cat /root/ctrlaltdel Aiai - The three finger salute What exactly where you thinking when you pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del ?? I don't know what your idea of acting funny is, but this is not the kind of stuff that I want going on on my terminals. There's a reason why Ctrl-Alt-Del is called the three finger salute in the Unix world. This combination normally executes this command: /sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now You proved before that you aren't very smart, but I do believe that you understand what would have happened if we didn't foresee this do you? Just be glad that we thought about the braindead windows users who want to press Ctrl-Alt-Del on anything with keys on it, or we would have had to open a can of whoop-ass on your sorry ass. Honestly, I'm a bit pissed of Sirius All in good fun :) joost DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify A.S.T.R.I.D. nv/sa immediately and then delete this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 02:05:32PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > atm it seems impossible to get bugs fixed in Woody unless they're > security-related. I know, someone's going to ask for an eg, and right > now I can't think of one. Of course there are bugs discovered which a lot of people would like to see fixed. Mostly, these would not be release-critical bugs and most people would not run into them. So, `a lot of people' would mean a large absolute number, not a large part of the woody users. Anyway, that's what the point releases are for. Woody release schedule: - Debian 3.0, July 19, 2002 - Debian 3.0r1, December 16, 2002 - Debian 3.0r2, November 21, 2003 And I _think_ the third point release has been put off because of sarge. David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Sound troubles
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:14:44AM -0700, David Wright wrote: > Thanks so much for the detailed advice! I have taken it, but I am afraid > it still doesn't entirely solve the problem. > > I blacklisted the OSS modules for both discover and hotplug, as > described in the alsa-base docs. Loaded modules now have only snd- > modules, including snd-pcm-oss: > > aloysha:~# lsmod > Module Size Used by > snd_pcm_oss53668 0 Yes, that seems right. How did you load all these modules? Did ALSA do this automatically or did you add modules to /etc/modules? > The programs alsaconf and alsamixer can recognize both the on-board and > soundblaster cards and work with them. But I still can't get and sound Great! > and still can't write to /dev/dsp: > > aloysha:~# cat /home/dcw/sndkit/dsp/endoftheworld > /dev/dsp > cat: write error: No such device Hmmm > I am beginning to think this may be a hotplug or udev problem. I notice > now that many of the audio devices that MAKEDEV is supposed to make are > missing (e.g. /dev/sequencer and /dev/audio), and running MAKEDEV audio > over and over still doesn't create them. (By the way, catting to > /.dev/dsp gives the same error message.) Please check your devices. I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dfokkema$ ls -l /dev/dsp0 crw-rw1 root audio 14, 3 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dfokkema$ ls -l /dev/dsp* lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 crw-rw1 root audio 14, 3 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp0 crw-rw1 root audio 14, 19 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp1 crw-rw1 root audio 14, 35 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp2 crw-rw1 root audio 14, 51 2003-11-22 11:32 /dev/dsp3 > If you have any follow-up advice, it would be appreciated. Thanks again, You could try to run xmms and then options->preferences->output plugin. I have the following options: alsa, disk writer, esound and oss. Try setting it to alsa and see if you hear any sound. If not, check your mixer settings (just to make sure, :-). Does this help? David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alsa setup broken after upgrade
Jeff Bradberry wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Joris Huizer wrote: Check `uname -r` and look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` for that alsa directory; If you're running 2.4.26, you installed a new kernel, not a new kernel source; If not, than I couldn't explain why you'd get such errors; Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I meant that I had built a custom kernel from the 2.4.26 kernel-source package and installed that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.4.26 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/alsa snd-ainstr-fm.osnd-opl3-lib.osnd-seq-device.o snd-seq.o snd-cs4231-lib.o snd-opl3-synth.o snd-seq-instr.o snd-timer.o snd-cs4232.o snd-page-alloc.o snd-seq-midi-emul.o snd.o snd-hwdep.osnd-pcm-oss.o snd-seq-midi-event.o snd-mixer-oss.osnd-pcm.o snd-seq-midi.o snd-mpu401-uart.o snd-rawmidi.o snd-seq-oss.o I should also mention that snd, snd-hwdep, and some of the others insert just fine. It's snd-cs4231-lib that is the showstopper. I think you didn't build that snd-cs4231-lib module then, (you can check in the /lib/modules/2.4.26/alsa directory you'll probably find it's missing) Make sure the "option" CONFIG_SND_CS4231 is set to 'm' like, CONFIG_SND_CS4231=m HTH, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wierd Question
Definately. Here in Berkeley, the UC leans in the BSD direction, as I'm sure you can imagine (this is not true of every UC. I hear that Davis uses a lot of Solaris and Linux machines). I know from friends that the City College in San Francisco also uses *nix...my impression from talking to various people around the Bay Area is that every educational institute here uses *nix pretty heavily. Not my high school, though. Luckily, the computers all let you boot from the CDROM, so the Knoppix disc I carry in my backpack comes in handy. Daniel --- Chris Metcalf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. Better to go to a university that gives you > a good solid > foundation in computer science and then to > specialize later on. > > If you want to learn about *nix programming, why not > pick a university > whose courses show loyalty towards working on *nix > platforms? At my > alma mater (the University of Michigan), they > started us off from the > first year programming on Solaris and every Intel > machine in the labs > dual-booted with Linux. Its certainly a lot better > than a school that > only teaches you programming in MS VC++. > > Chris M. > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:23:45 -0600, Monique Y. > Mudama > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 2004-06-23, Cecil penned: > > > I'm headed back to school. But I had a thought > after I considered why > > > I wanted to go back to school. It would be > totally cool if there was > > > some sort of "Linux School". A 4 year or 6 year > school, where you > > > majored in... oh.. for example, Driver > development. Or game > > > programming. Or a specific language. Major in > C++, and minor in > > > assembly. Things like that. Major in a scripting > language. Bash major, > > > Perl minor. Am I just nuts or does this excite > anyone else? Does it > > > even exist? If it did, I'd go there, and not > back to college. > > > > Majoring in languages makes no sense to me, unless > you want to be > > pigeonholed into one language for the rest of your > life. Learn > > concepts, not languages. > > > > Driver development, game programming, etc, would > be great -- as > > continued education programs, like a master's. > You have to learn how to > > design and code software before these kinds of > courses will do any good. > > > > Just my opinion, since you asked. > > > > -- > > monique > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > Chris Metcalf > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chrismetcalf.net > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = BoxBattle.com - Semper Absurda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AUTOFS to mount either via SMB or NFS, how?
Alexis, exactly what I was looking for thanks. Cheers Brian Alexis Huxley wrote: I tried two (almost identical) entries in the map dataset for autofs, but if the first one is not successfull, it doesnt even try the second entry. I'm am not sure if doing this is possible with the kernel-based autofs automounter. What I am sure about that this is possible using the AMD automounter, which is also a Debian package. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/2eafe and in particular section 9.6.1., which is an expansion of the what I found in http://tinyurl.com/2hvra. The above deals only with the 'fallback' handling, but it would be trivial to specify that the fallback is not to mounted with fstype nfs, but with smb instead. Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO's on sid/sarge - where are they?
On (25/06/04 16:54), James Sinnamon wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:19 am, Clive Menzies wrote: > > On (07/06/04 18:59), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I asked earlier about getting the NFS server > > > > > A good place to start is: > > > > http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba.html > > > > There is also a good nfs Howto in woody: > > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS_HOWTO.gz > > In what package do I find this file? I have installed > the packages doc-linux-text and doc-linux-html and still > can't find NFS_HOWTO.gz > > Whilst I am running a testing/sarge system and not a > woody system, I would have thought there should be > some kind of NFS HOWTO be found. In any case > a query of the packages database tells me: Hi James I too have searched my sid system for the file and can't find it - maybe it's felt that anyone running sid should know HOWTO ;) It would be useful to get an answer on why HOWTO's aren't available on sarge/sid but meanwhile, attached is the one (from woody) you're looking for. Regards Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business NFS-HOWTO.gz Description: Binary data
Re: Kernel Vulnerability
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:12:48PM -0300, Fabio Marcos Pedroso Filho wrote: | No. I am using an own compilation of kernel, but I am using the | kernel-source from debian apt sources. I am using 2.4.19.woody2. But this | release is vulnerable to that local exploit that freeze the system. I don't know what the security team is doing (although a new 2.6.6 build hit unstable a couple days ago). However, the patch is a one-line change to a header file. You could find that patch on the web fairly easily and manually merge it into the source tree you build from to obtain the fix. -D I thought the latest 2.4.x kernel was patched? I don't know wether it would be a problem - but you could download the kernel source from www.kernel.org (it's just you'd be missing patches from debian) HTH, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can not compile kde, some xmkmf problem
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:54:21AM +0200, LeVA wrote: > 2004. június 25. 08:48, > Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -> Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:13:23PM +0200, LeVA said > > > > > 2004. június 24. 04:31, > > > Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -> Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 11:54:05AM +0200, LeVA said > > > > > > > > Since XFree86 4.4.0 isn't in Debian, you must have installed it > > > > from a tarball or something. You'll need to point the KDE > > > > configure script at the location you unpacked it to. Or just > > > > install the Debian packaged X headers. > > > > > > The /usr/X11R6 install path is standard, so the configure must find > > > the dir > > > > Um, you installed a binary tarball of X to /usr/X11R6? That's a > > *really* bad idea. Nonetheless, Debian has the X headers packaged. > > Or get them from XFree86. > I don't want to get the debian packaged xfree.. I've installed xf-4.4.0 > from the binary package from xfree86.org. And what could be the problem > with the /usr/X11R/ install dir? :)) That *is* the default install > path, and I think installing to anywhere else is a *really* bad idea... In Debian, all of /usr except /usr/local expectes to be managed by dpkg / apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-4.5.html A -- Please don't CC me. Also _please_ read the following before posting: Documentation - http://www.debian.org/doc/ FAQ - http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ Install manual (i386) - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any idea to disable ?
Joost De Cock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 25 June 2004 08:48, Alexis Huxley hurled the following on the wire: >> Yes, comment out the 'ca' entry in /etc/inittab and get init >> to reload the config file with the command 'telinit q'. >> >> You need to be root to do both. > > I've got this in my /etc/inittab: > > # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE > ca::ctrlaltdel:/usr/bin/clear & /usr/bin/wall < /root/ctrlaltdel Why do you put /usr/bin/clear in the background and therefore execute it concurrently with /usr/bin/wall? > /root/ctrlaltdel looks like: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sds]# cat /root/ctrlaltdel > Aiai - The three finger salute > > [...] > Honestly, I'm a bit pissed of So would I be, if all non-root users could send text to all my (pseudo) terminals, even those in "mesg n" mode. :-) Martin -- ,--.Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- ) http://www.zero-based.org/ ((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-' `-'(. .)`-' `-. Debian, a variant of the GNU operating system. \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gnucash with Postgres backend.
Hello, I discovered Debian's Gnucash does not provide the Postgres backend, because it is being revamped to support all of Gnucash' features. However, it seems to me that this process isn't really getting on. But, I'd really like to make use of the postgres backend (I did so until last week, when I switched from Gentoo back to Debian, without any serious problems). Is there some place where the postgres backend is provided? (I understand the risks involved with losing data, but I'm willing to take them). Berteun -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any idea to disable ?
Martin Dickopp wrote: Wasily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Is there any idea to disable ? Include Option "DontZap" "yes" in the "ServerLayout" section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Also see the XF86Config-4 manual page. Martin Yes,you are right.Thanks a lot -- Debian GNU/Linux kernel-2.4.26-1-686 K Desktop Enviroment MAICHAO NETWORK COMMUNICATIONS Wasily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to get NFS and SMB installed and working.
On (25/06/04 17:25), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:13, James Sinnamon wrote: > > > There is also a good nfs Howto in woody: > > > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS_HOWTO.gz > > > > In what package do I find this file? I have installed > > doc-linux-html - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in HTML format > doc-linux-text - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in ASCII format > > cheers > zen Thanks Zen Yet another gap in my understanding plugged ;) Regards Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Panic while booting from 2.6.3
George Roman wrote: than i don't know what it is. sorry. have you tried other kernel versions before 2.6.3? make sure that you didn't use module in front of ext2. if you did so, install module-init-tools or use builtin option. if you did so, there is nothing elese i could help. Also check that your hard disc is supported (built-in, not in a module) HTH, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
strange colors
have still problems with colors in aplications like gimp and sane, grey is green or blue ... all the other applications works fine, have installed kde and use woody any idea ?? greetings frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X session
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:44:08AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:50:44PM +0200, Chris wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 15:25, Antony wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 07:25:40AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > > > > Antony wrote: > > > > > > > > >When I log into X, my saved session comes back with Mozilla proper > > > > >instead of Firefox. If it matters, I'm using windowmaker in unstable... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how X (KDE? Gnome?) records your saved session, but I'm > > > > guessing that instead of recording the browser and the URL, it's only > > > > recording the URL and using the default system browser. > > > > > > > > You can change the default system browser with: > > > > update-alternatives --config x-www-browser > > > > > > Nope, firefox is the default: > > > > > > antgel $ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser > > > Password: > > > > > > There are 4 alternatives which provide `x-www-browser'. > > > > > > SelectionAlternative > > > --- > > > 1/usr/bin/mozilla > > > * 2/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox > > > 3/usr/bin/epiphany > > > +4/usr/bin/galeon > > > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > Have you tried to close mozilla, start fire-fox, and then save the > > session? > > > > You can have a look at ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState. > > > > chris > > > Hi, > would > update-alternatives --config mozilla help? > -Kev It sure would, thanks. What a daft situation, that more than one package can provide "mozilla", even though I'm sure that someone somewhere will tell me why there are very good reasons... A -- Please don't CC me. Also _please_ read the following before posting: Documentation - http://www.debian.org/doc/ FAQ - http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ Install manual (i386) - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:36:59 -0700, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:38:26 -0700, Daved Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you've misunderstood the concept of "Beta". :) > >Uh, no. Been on quite a few betas in my time. I was jokingly saying that, not at all trying to insinuate that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's your opinion, so you can't be wrong there. I'm mostly just interested in what makes a viable webmail solution for everyone. I have no relation to Google. >Nope because the problem stems from the very core of how they are > doing things. I'm still not sure, I really understand exactly what you mean there... > > Personaly, I think GMail is great for viewing mailing lists with, it's > > primarily the only application I use it for... since for most other > > communication I'd rather send mail from my personal domain name. > >How so? It is extremely bad for it. I gave it the most simple of > tests. 2 lists. That's it. 2 lists. I'm on the same 2 lists > elsewhere. In GMail it is a mess and that mess stems from what they > are doing. On the traditional client or even another webmail client > it isn't as much of a mess. Again, I dont exactly get what you mean by that "it's a mess", at least I don't quite see it that way. I use it for 19 different low to medium traffic lists. With the filters I've setup, everything's fairly neatly organized and easily accessible. >Granted. But tell me how I can get a clear, concise view of new > mail in a reasonable manner using labels. First problem, labels > include all archived mail. Of course since they make it so difficult > to actually delete mail it means that in less than an hour or two > using labels to separate things out is a complete and total mess. > There's no clear deliniation between new and old mail. Using Labels to separate things out without a Filter to automaticaly assign labels would be a pain... > > Tho, their filter rules are adequate but they could use more options, > > some of which they are already working on. > >You'd think they'd just have a simple option of allowing complete > headers to be filered on so we could use "List-id: debian-user@" as a > filter. Nope. Yes, that'd be handy. I'd be willing to bet if enough people submit a feature request suggesting more explicit filtering options they'd put it in. About half the things I've written them and asked about have appeared within a few weeks. Originaly a To: filter didnt even check Cc: or Reply-To: headers... people sent in complaints/suggestions, and now it does. > > I'm curious as to why you consider Hotmail as better? > >Because Hotmail is not taking the tried and true methods of the > past and throw them out the window. With Hotmail the basics are > covered up front. Folders, check. Filters to get mail into those > folders (not great, but hey, it's Hotmail) check, the ability to see > at a glance what folders have new mail and be able to find it at a > glance, know who its from at a glance and what it's about, check. > Those aren't possible with GMail. Great, so this "conversation" > consists of Steve, Daved, James, John and Louie. Only one of those is > readily identifiable, the rest are rather common names. On my main > client, Hotmail and my own Webmail (Squirrelmail) I can at least tell > at a glance who it is from, identify relevant and current threads as > opposed to "Oh, this one was replied to recently" and, here's the > kicker, selectively delete messages. In GMail you either archive > (which causes problems), delete whole threads (thereby running the > risk of deleting the one or two messages you want to keep) or go > through a 5-step process per message to delete it. That's a > fundimental and basic problem stemming from their attempt to throw out > the tried and true method of reading mail and replace it with > something new but ultimately inferior. Google seems to market GMail with the "Search not Sort" idea, which I've written to them that I think is a mistake. So many people are used to the concept of folders and filters to easily sort out mail that their idea of "just clump it all together and search for what you want to find" isn't what anybody is going to do. When I sign up for a new mailinglist, I immediately create a Label for it. Then I create a filter. In this case the Label is "Debian" and the filter is: Matches: to:(lists.debian.org) Do this: skip Inbox, apply label "Debian" When I sign in to GMail I can immediately see if there's new mail on the list based on the bolding of the Label (and the #, Debian (9)). Clicking the label link I have a nice threaded view of all mail sent to the list with New topics or replies displayed in Bold. Your point about the names in a conversation being ambiguous at a quick glance is true, you can however mouse over the names and get the full email address. Threads with the most recent activity wi
Re: Wierd Question
> Definately. Here in Berkeley, the UC leans in the BSD > direction, as I'm sure you can imagine (this is not Speaking as a current Berkeley CS student, I feel that UC Berkeley leans in the direction of Solaris. I have yet to see a BSD workstation in any of the main computer labs, which is ironic considering its origins. Most of the programming labs here at Berkeley are stocked with Sun Rays connected to a Solaris 9 server. > > Majoring in languages makes no sense to me, unless > you want to be > > pigeonholed into one language for the rest of your > life. I would second that statement. Here at Berkeley (and I believe at most universities too), students are taught programming concepts and theories, rather than actual languages. While the first semester CS course focuses on Scheme (a Lisp dialect), the goal is to teach students to think as programmers. After completing the class, students should be able to transfer their skills to any programming language. > > > > majored in... oh.. for example, Driver > > development. Well, topics like driver development are covered in upper-division CS and EE courses. I don't think they would serve well as majors, though. It really narrows down the field of your experience. I'd rather major as CS with a speciality in driver development than just be a driver developer. -Stephen Le On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Daniel Asarnow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Definately. Here in Berkeley, the UC leans in the BSD > direction, as I'm sure you can imagine (this is not > true of every UC. I hear that Davis uses a lot of > Solaris and Linux machines). I know from friends that > the City College in San Francisco also uses *nix...my > impression from talking to various people around the > Bay Area is that every educational institute here uses > *nix pretty heavily. > Not my high school, though. Luckily, the computers > all let you boot from the CDROM, so the Knoppix disc I > carry in my backpack comes in handy. > > Daniel > > --- Chris Metcalf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. Better to go to a university that gives you > > a good solid > > foundation in computer science and then to > > specialize later on. > > > > If you want to learn about *nix programming, why not > > pick a university > > whose courses show loyalty towards working on *nix > > platforms? At my > > alma mater (the University of Michigan), they > > started us off from the > > first year programming on Solaris and every Intel > > machine in the labs > > dual-booted with Linux. Its certainly a lot better > > than a school that > > only teaches you programming in MS VC++. > > > > Chris M. > > > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:23:45 -0600, Monique Y. > > Mudama > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 2004-06-23, Cecil penned: > > > > I'm headed back to school. But I had a thought > > after I considered why > > > > I wanted to go back to school. It would be > > totally cool if there was > > > > some sort of "Linux School". A 4 year or 6 year > > school, where you > > > > majored in... oh.. for example, Driver > > development. Or game > > > > programming. Or a specific language. Major in > > C++, and minor in > > > > assembly. Things like that. Major in a scripting > > language. Bash major, > > > > Perl minor. Am I just nuts or does this excite > > anyone else? Does it > > > > even exist? If it did, I'd go there, and not > > back to college. > > > > > > Majoring in languages makes no sense to me, unless > > you want to be > > > pigeonholed into one language for the rest of your > > life. Learn > > > concepts, not languages. > > > > > > Driver development, game programming, etc, would > > be great -- as > > > continued education programs, like a master's. > > You have to learn how to > > > design and code software before these kinds of > > courses will do any good. > > > > > > Just my opinion, since you asked. > > > > > > -- > > > monique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Metcalf > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://chrismetcalf.net > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > = > BoxBattle.com - Semper Absurda > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO's on sid/sarge - where are they?
Hello! On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:45:45AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (25/06/04 16:54), James Sinnamon wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:19 am, Clive Menzies wrote: > > > There is also a good nfs Howto in woody: > > > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS_HOWTO.gz > > > > In what package do I find this file? I have installed > > the packages doc-linux-text and doc-linux-html and still > > can't find NFS_HOWTO.gz > > > > Whilst I am running a testing/sarge system and not a > > woody system, I would have thought there should be > > some kind of NFS HOWTO be found. In any case > > a query of the packages database tells me: > > I too have searched my sid system for the file and can't find it - maybe > it's felt that anyone running sid should know HOWTO ;) > > It would be useful to get an answer on why HOWTO's aren't available on > sarge/sid but meanwhile, attached is the one (from woody) you're looking for. The package "doc-linux-nonfree-text" contains that HOWTO. Cheers, Flo PS: Honoring Mail-Followup-To. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:04 am, David Fokkema wrote: > that's what the point releases are for. Woody release schedule: > > - Debian 3.0, July 19, 2002 > - Debian 3.0r1, December 16, 2002 > - Debian 3.0r2, November 21, 2003 Oh well, that at least tells me what 3.0rn means. That's something, little though it is. > And I _think_ the third point release has been put off because of > sarge. So ... ?? Look, the issue WAS "testing" vs "unstable". Some people think that not only the decision but its implementation is a simple matter. It isn't. My ISP does what many do - set up a multiple mirror site for the use of its members. Debian is included. I'd like to start up a Debian "testing" system from an install CD - I gather you can't do this for the "unstable" branch. In order to do this I really need jigdo - to just download a complete CD (or CDs) as I can with every other Linux distro or BSD, is de rigeur. BTW what is wrong with a clear major/minor dot numeric system, rather than woody/sarge/sid/potato/whatever=stable/testing/unstable(which is really quite stable anyway)/something ? MY ISP's relevant debian directories look like this: /debian-cd/hurd directory (four off) GNU-K4-CD1.iso (four off) hurd-J2-CD1.iso /debian-cd/images/current/i386/ directory (seven off) debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso /debian-cd/images/woody/i386/ directory (seven off) debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso debian-cd/jigdo/current/i386/ directory does NOT contain jigdo, but files like this: (seven off) woody-i386-1.jigdo (seven off) woody-i386-1.template Whither testing (sarge?) What does all this mean? And Monique and others think this is simple??? -- Regards, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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automatic handling of USB mass storage devices (fstab & mount point)
For people using kernel 2.6 and UDev, and want to quickly and easily access any usb storage device with an _explicit_ name for mount point, here is a script you can try. Please read the story and installation details here : http://ccomb.free.fr/wiki/wakka.php?wiki=UsbMassStorageEnglish Feel free to try, debug, modify, criticize, adapt, improve, etc. regards Christophe Combelles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem installing Gnome in Sid [Debian newbie]
Hi! I tried to install gnome in Sid and in the end the problem is with the libexif9 package which it says it is not installable. An apt-cache search libexif gives me libexif10 (which I've installed) but no libexif9. So what can I do about this? I've installed Debian with the sarge net installer, then upgraded to sid. Thanks a lot! Regards, -- Stelian Iancu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to check whether a RAID array is still consistent?
Hi all, A few days ago my software-RAID1 array failed because the two disks both had bad blocks. Probably bad luck, but I find it even more unbeliveable that the two disks would both fail so shortly after each other. So I suspect that one of the disks was having problems for some time already but these went unnoticed because they were covered by the RAID mirroring. So..: is there a way to periodically check whether RAID disks are still in sync? Preferable without unmounting the filesystem (similar to the background rebuilding after adding a disk to an array). Thanks Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mouse problem with testing
I have a problem with a USB Genius KYE wheelemouse running on testing beta4 i386. Basically it just moves up and down. I have tried more different settings than you can wave a stick at including making this troublesome mouse the only pointer as well as combining it with a PS/2 one using SendCoreEvents. I also tried taking the XF86Config from another older testing-based machine and tweaking it as necessary for the video hardware. The list of kernel modules loaded looks the same where input/usb/mouse is concerned. No problem running Knoppix on the same machine and the same mice (tried two) work elsewhere. There is also a PS/2 mouse and I notice that on other Redhat type machines data appears on /dev/input/mice for the PS/2 mouse as well as any USB mice yet this does not happen on the Debian machine. So there is something different about whatever is behind /dev/input/mice but I can't find any useful documentation on it. Any ideas ? Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO's on sid/sarge - where are they?
Flo, On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:13 pm, you wrote: > Hello James! > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 07:56:02PM +1000, James Sinnamon wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:22 pm, you wrote: > > This package is in the non-free section of the Debian archive, so > you'd need something along > > |deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free > Thanks. I was able to locate the NFS_HOWTO.gz. The appropriate entry in /etc/apt/sources.list, was: deb ftp://ftp.debian.ihug.com.au/debian/ testing main contrib non-free Then apt-get install doc-linux-non-free-text ... did the trick. > in your /etc/apt/sources.list (note the last part), _if you really want > to have non-free packages_. Do I have any choice? Thanks again, regards, James -- James Sinnamon jps at westnet com auStralia ph +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123, +61 2 95726357 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can not compile kde, some xmkmf problem
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 04:48:24PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > > > Since XFree86 4.4.0 isn't in Debian, you must have installed it from > > > a tarball or something. You'll need to point the KDE configure > > > script at the location you unpacked it to. Or just install the > > > Debian packaged X headers. > > The /usr/X11R6 install path is standard, so the configure must find the > > dir > > Um, you installed a binary tarball of X to /usr/X11R6? That's a > *really* bad idea. Nonetheless, Debian has the X headers packaged. Or > get them from XFree86. > If nothing gets resolved about that 4.4 release in the future, I am considering installing 4.4 in my system too, so, I would like to hear recommendations about making it happen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem serverflags section or xset - solved partly
I found a solution for the xset problem I had. I had to change the line in home/user/.xsession: '/usr/bin/galeon --display=:0 -ndf' with /usr/bin/galeon --display=:0 -ndf | xset s off -display ":0" That was the only way to execute xset running kiosk-mode. But I do not understand completely why I could not put in the bottom of the .xsession file. Is it so that when .xsession has executed /usr/bin/galeon, the rest of .xsession is not read? I tried to put the xset command in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc as well, with no success. And still I am curious of XF86Config's serverflag section, why it did not work as in redhat. If some Xxperts has time to look through the problem (description following by previous messages), I am curious to know the correct syntax in section "serverflags" Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 01:58:42PM +0200, Paal Marker wrote: I need to prevent a box from blanking out. In redhat8 I could succesfully put this section in the end of /etc/X11/XF86Config Section "Serverflags" Option "BlankTime""0" Option "StandbyTime" "0" Option "SuspendTime" "0" Option "OffTime" "0" EndSection The result of putting in this section is that the X server will not start By googling I found that this syntax could also be used Section "Serverflags" Option "blank time""0"Option "standby time" "0" Option "suspend time" "0" Option "off time" "0" EndSection Same result, no X startx gives error message: Option "blank time""0" server flags section keyword expected I copied the serverflags section from redhat8's XF86Config, where it worked fine. What does debian demand of syntax here? Pigeon wrote: I've got "xset s off" in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc. Works fine. Paal Marker wrote: Yes, you are right, and I have tried it. Correct on this system will be 'xset s off -display ":0"' But the problem is that anyway where I put that command to execute , be in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc or /home/kiosk/.xsession or wherever it does not work. However, if I log in remote by ssh and execute xset s off -display ":0" from bash prompt, it works fine. According to man xset, the xset command must be executed after all applications, so I have tried to execute it from the last line of /home/user/.xsession. I had the same problem making kiosks with redhat as well, and ended up by solving it with the serverflags section in XF86Config. Continuing exploring the section "serverflags" problem: From linux single start and the startx I get the error message: Config Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config:269 (wich is the line where the first option in the section serverflags starts) _Option__ "BlankTime" "0" Server flags keyword expected Remark here that it is the Option word that is underlined in the message, the underlning is made by ^^^ these characters. Does it tell me that 'Option' is an invalid keyword in this section? The Xserver used is xserver-s3 I will be happy for advice for any solution here, being by XF86Config and serverflags, or how to execute xset s off Refer to top, the xset problem is solved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kopete an Gaim vs Yahoo
On Friday 25 June 2004 02:44, George Roman wrote: > i have the same probleme since yesterday i don't know what to do. now > i use ymessenger. [...disclaimer on end of top-posting cut...] > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Luis Fernando Llana [iso-8859-1] Díaz wrote: > > I have been using both, kopete and gaim, to connect with my > > account of instant messenger of Yahoo. Since a week (more o less) I > > always obtain a password incorrect error when I try to login. > > Does any know if they have changed in the yahoo protocol? There is another thread here about this. Search for [OT] yahoo protocol switching. In brief, yes they have -- recommend switching to non-proprietary eg. jabber. -- richard
Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? (for remote ssh tunnels)
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:39PM -0500, Will Trillich wrote: > > can linux have multiple 127.0.0.1 interfaces? if so, how? As far as I know, every IP number from 127.0.0.1 ro 127.255.255.255 does a loopback. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:26:15 +0800, John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > James W. Thompson, II wrote: > > >I have six GMail invitations to give away. If you are interested > > > > > > Spammer Not really. To thoese 6 new gmail users, it's not. He may want to label this kind of email as [OT], tho. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NFS mount very very slow
Dear list subscribers, At first I thought my command: mount -t nfs 192.168.0.6:/etc /mnt/nfs ... had failed. It seemed to have hanged. I tried to kill it with Ctrl^C, then with 'kill -SIGKILL ', killing the Konsole tabbed terminal ... but with no luck. The process just would not die. Eventually, I found, to my surprise, that that the 'mount' command had not only withstood all my attempts to smother it, but it also succeeded after all. I don't know whether it took 15 minutes or two hours, but whatever the time lag was, it it had taken far too long. can anyone tell me how to work out what the problem could be? The entry in 192.168.0.6:/etc/exports is: /etc 192.168.0.2(ro) where 192.168.0.2 is the nfs client. TIA James -- James Sinnamon jps at westnet com auStralia ph +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123, +61 2 95726357 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Debian/Linux Stickers
On Thursday 24 June 2004 19:32, Chris Metcalf hurled the following on the wire: > Does anybody know of a good source of linux/geeky stickers? In > particular, I'm looking for a nice tasteful sticker of Tux on a clear > background around 3" in size, or maybe a nice small "Powered by Linux" > or Debian logo suitable to stick on my laptops in the space where the > "Designed for Windows" sticker used to be. The 'Debian Inside' sticker on linuxland.de is pretty cool. They have some more stuff too, might be usefull for people in Europe: http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/21_fanartikel/debian_fanartikel/ joost DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify A.S.T.R.I.D. nv/sa immediately and then delete this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
Brian Astill wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:04 am, David Fokkema wrote: that's what the point releases are for. Woody release schedule: - Debian 3.0, July 19, 2002 - Debian 3.0r1, December 16, 2002 - Debian 3.0r2, November 21, 2003 Oh well, that at least tells me what 3.0rn means. That's something, little though it is. And I _think_ the third point release has been put off because of sarge. So ... ?? Look, the issue WAS "testing" vs "unstable". Some people think that not only the decision but its implementation is a simple matter. It isn't. My ISP does what many do - set up a multiple mirror site for the use of its members. Debian is included. I'd like to start up a Debian "testing" system from an install CD - I gather you can't do this for the "unstable" branch. In order to do this I really need jigdo - to just download a complete CD (or CDs) as I can with every other Linux distro or BSD, is de rigeur. BTW what is wrong with a clear major/minor dot numeric system, rather than woody/sarge/sid/potato/whatever=stable/testing/unstable(which is really quite stable anyway)/something ? MY ISP's relevant debian directories look like this: /debian-cd/hurd directory You don't want anything under hurd. It's incomplete, and probably less stable than unstable. (four off) GNU-K4-CD1.iso (four off) hurd-J2-CD1.iso /debian-cd/images/current/i386/ directory (seven off) debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso That's Woody, aka Stable /debian-cd/images/woody/i386/ directory (seven off) debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso So's that debian-cd/jigdo/current/i386/ directory does NOT contain jigdo, but files like this: (seven off) woody-i386-1.jigdo (seven off) woody-i386-1.template Yeah, you download those then fill in the template with jigdo, not necessarily from the same source. If you had an older Woody it would be a good way to get your CDs updated. Whither testing (sarge?) Check the Debian Weekly News and look for announcements about Debian Installer betas. Get the latest and use that: it's one CD and not especially large. Install the rest off the net if you can. What does all this mean? And Monique and others think this is simple??? Everything is simple when you understand it:-) -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFS mount very very slow
James Sinnamon wrote: Dear list subscribers, At first I thought my command: mount -t nfs 192.168.0.6:/etc /mnt/nfs ... had failed. It seemed to have hanged. I tried to kill it with Ctrl^C, then with 'kill -SIGKILL ', killing the Konsole tabbed terminal ... but with no luck. The process just would not die. Eventually, I found, to my surprise, that that the 'mount' command had not only withstood all my attempts to smother it, but it also succeeded after all. I don't know whether it took 15 minutes or two hours, but whatever the time lag was, it it had taken far too long. can anyone tell me how to work out what the problem could be? The entry in 192.168.0.6:/etc/exports is: /etc 192.168.0.2(ro) where 192.168.0.2 is the nfs client. Probably, lockd isn't running on 0.6. lockd handles locking, and if it's not responding you get these enormous timeouts. I suppgest you find out why, but since you're mounting ro then this is acceptable too: mount -t nfs -o nolock 192.168.0.6:/etc /mnt/nfs -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XFree86 issues
I have two problems, both relating to XFree86. Both machines run Sid and XFree86 4.3. Computer 1: When X blanks the screen, upon waking a black X (like the default X cursor) shows up in the middle of the screen. The only woy to remove it is to restart the X server. It is rather annoying, and I have no idea what to do about it. Computer 2: In WindowMaker, when I - to change between windows, the next window is brought forward, but it does not recive the focus unless I press and release the key again. After pressing the key, all key strokes and mouse clicks that were destined for the window are passed in rapid succession. My other computer, running the exact same versions of XFree86 and WindowMaker and with the same exact configuration, does not exhibit this behavior. In GNOME, if I -, I have to hit twice to get the outline of the window in the foreground, then press and release to bring it forward. Also, if I press tho logout button, the dialog never appears. Any help on these would be appreciated. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: automatic handling of USB mass storage devices (fstab & mount point)
Christophe Combelles wrote: For people using kernel 2.6 and UDev, and want to quickly and easily access any usb storage device with an _explicit_ name for mount point, here is a script you can try. Please read the story and installation details here : http://ccomb.free.fr/wiki/wakka.php?wiki=UsbMassStorageEnglish Feel free to try, debug, modify, criticize, adapt, improve, etc. Thanks Christophe. It's very timely for me, I've just taken to plugging cameras and laptop drives into USB ports, and a 2.6.5 kernel awaiting my next reboot. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squid Analysis Package on Debian?
Louie Miranda wrote: Is there a tool for a squid analyzer log for debian like this one.. http://sarg.sourceforge.net/sarg.php Did you check packages.debian.org? It wasn't in Woody because it was orphaned at the time. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 issues
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:54:09 -0400, Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Computer 2: > > In WindowMaker, when I - to change between windows, the next > window is brought forward, but it does not recive the focus unless I > press and release the key again. After pressing the key, > all key strokes and mouse clicks that were destined for the window are > passed in rapid succession. My other computer, running the exact same > versions of XFree86 and WindowMaker and with the same exact > configuration, does not exhibit this behavior. In GNOME, if I > -, I have to hit twice to get the outline of the window > in the foreground, then press and release to bring it forward. > Also, if I press tho logout button, the dialog never appears. alt-tab: see xlibs bug #255192 - bugs.debian.org At least that's what the #debian topic says :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lots of problems - help please
Thanks for all of the help from everyone - eh, I sounded quite desperate, but I was really pissed off that day, returning from a 10 hour shift with only a few precious hours to spend at home and my debian giving me shit for no reason. Due to all of the suggestions I've been given here, I've played around a lot with the apt tools and I decided to give downgrading my xlibs a try. All of my problems, except for having to startx twice for X to recognize my mouse, are gone. I downgraded from xlibs.4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 to dfsg.1-4. The sluggishness of my mouse cursor, the broken alt-key (alt + letter wasn't recognized by any programs anymore.. for instance for opening menus or for shortcuts), the broken alt-tabbing. I'm sure that with something major like this, developers will be aware of it.. should I post it somewhere else anyway? I guess unstable is all about finding things that break (I had to add testing in my sources list to get that version of xlibs as well). Thanks again, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Panic while booting from 2.6.3
Try turning off the CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED option, if you happen to have that on. On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Ajitabh Pandey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently compiled 2.6.3 kernel. When I try to boot > from it, after lots of messages, I get the following > message and system gets into hung state. However, if I > choose the old 2.2.20 kernel of woody 3.0r2 it boots > fine. I followed the normal steps of compiling the > kernel. > make xconfig > make dep > make clean > make bzImage > make modules > make modules_install > make install > > --- > VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or > unknown-block(3,1) > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown > block(3,1) > --- > > Regards. > Ajitabh Pandey > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB pendrive
I am facing a strange (for me) problem with the usb pendrive. It is a 256 MB Apacer Steno HT202 drive. I could use the drive under kernel 2.6.6 by loading it as a scsi device. No problems with that set up. But, under kernel 2.6.7, I get the following message when I plug in the drive: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2 usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out ohci_hcd :00:02.0: Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help. Funny thing is if the drive is plugged during boot up, I can mount it and use it. No error message are given. A diff of kernel configs of 2.6.6 and 2.6.7 does not show anything that is in 2.6.6 as left out in 2.6.7. Does anybody have any comments/suggestions on this problem? Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 Your CHEEKS sit like twin NECTARINES above a MOUTH that knows no BOUNDS -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? (for remote ssh tunnels)
On Fri, Jun 25 at 01:24PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> Will Trillich wrote:
> >On Fri, Jun 25 at 11:46AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> >>Will Trillich wrote:
> >>>can linux have multiple 127.0.0.1 interfaces? if so, how?
>
> I'm not talking to myself, I'm talking to someone else. Therefore I
> shouldn't use a local interface.
i think one of us doesn't understand the problem solved by
port-forwarding...?
turns out the vast majority of these connections will be coming
from beyond a remote firewall (remote from where the server is
located on the 'net):
client
192.168.9.9
|
192.168.0.1
client firewall
11.22.33.44
|
| internet
|
22.44.66.88
server's firewall
10.1.1.1
|
10.1.2.3
server
the server can't open a port on the client machine, cuz it can't
get past the client firewall. the client CAN ssh past the server
virewall (that's how the latter is set up) to the server itself
and establish a remote-to-local forwarding rule. if the server
can be made to chat with a localhost interface using a port to
match the forwarding setup, it will work -- for one user per
loopback interface.
> There's no objection to using eth0:${n}, and you can also use dummy:
>
> How many do you want?
> for n in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do ifconfig dummy0:$n 192.168.19.${n};done
about those dummy interfaces... can they be made into loopback
devices? and if so, how?
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Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
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Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? SOLVED
On Fri, Jun 25 at 07:43AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:39PM -0500, Will Trillich wrote: > > > > can linux have multiple 127.0.0.1 interfaces? if so, how? > > As far as I know, every IP number from 127.0.0.1 ro 127.255.255.255 > does a loopback. > > -- hendrik hmm. could it be? $ ping 127.33.55.77 PING 127.33.55.77 (127.33.55.77): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 127.33.55.77: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.4 ms 64 bytes from 127.33.55.77: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.2 ms --- 127.33.55.77 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.2/0.3/0.4 ms $ ping 127.0.0.19 PING 127.0.0.19 (127.0.0.19): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 127.0.0.19: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.3 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.19: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.2 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.19: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.2 ms --- 127.0.0.19 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.2/0.2/0.3 ms well, batten my hatches! much simpler than i thought... many thanks for the pointer. (boy do i feel silly.) -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux boss 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #94 from Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : How do you RESTORE THE DEFAULT PERMISSIONS back on the / tree? If you have a clean host with very similar filesystem contents, try this: ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "find / -regex '/\(mnt\|proc\|tmp\)/.*' -prune -or \ -not -type l -not -type s -printf '%04.4m %u %g %p\n' " \ | while read mode user group path do chown $user.$group $path chmod $mode $path done Alternatively, create a huge script like this: find / -regex '/\(mnt\|proc\|tmp\)/.*' -prune -or \ -not -type l -not -type s -printf 'chown %u.%g %p\nchmod %m %p\n' \ > fixperms.sh And copy that to the broken machine and run "sh fixperms". It might not fix all files, unless the two hosts are nearly equal, but enough to let you find the missing ones to fix by hand. Maybe /home/* will need special care. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail
Thx allready for the reply :) I am lookin now for info about mailfilter, any how-to's abou this? "Bert Colemont" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Does anyone has a how-to about how to setup a system that cathes your mail > with your provider, scans it for virusses and spam, and then placeses in a > POP3 queue? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange colors
frank coldewe wrote: have still problems with colors in aplications like gimp and sane, grey is green or blue ... all the other applications works fine, have installed kde and use woody any idea ?? greetings frank Does dropping your resolution help? If so, it seems that you might need more video RAM. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:26:15PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > James W. Thompson, II wrote: > > >I have six GMail invitations to give away. If you are interested > > Spammer Your reply contributes about as much on-topic discussion as his original post did. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse problem with testing
Jon Schneider wrote: I have a problem with a USB Genius KYE wheelemouse running on testing beta4 i386. Basically it just moves up and down. My gut instinct is that you have a bad mouse. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] yahoo protocol switching
on Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:58:46PM -0700, Paul Johnson insinuated: > Kirk Strauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thursday 2004-06-24 12:48 pm, Nori Heikkinen wrote: > > > >> has anyone else been bitten by this, and found a workaround? > > > > I don't mean to sound like an ass, but that's what happens when > > you rely on the whims of a proprietary vendor. Set up a Jabber > > server and start migrating your friends to it. > > Or just grab a jabber client and use ursine.ca as a jabber server, > my jabber server is open to the public. KDE users may find Kopete > to be a very nice fit. yeah? this wouldn't put undue load on you? it would be cool to test out, to then try to slowly migrate people in the company over ... i think half of their objection is setting up / maintaining the server, and they're clearly not worried about security, as we've been using ya-f*ing-hoo forever ... (the other half, of course, is getting the luddites to learn one new application, but that could come with time). -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net/jnl ^`~'^ ++ Sponsor me as I run my SECOND marathon for AIDS: ++ ++ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DC-2844 ++ pgp6xfqyhpHeO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] yahoo protocol switching
on Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:19:54AM +0700, deb_milist insinuated: > Erik Steffl wrote: > > >Nori Heikkinen wrote: > > > >>noticed today that yahoo has again switched protocols, making it > >>impossible to connect from gaim. the quick fix suggested on /. > >>[1] -- > > > > > > > >>has anyone else been bitten by this, and found a workaround? > > > > > > usually the yahoo web messenger works, good as an emergency until > >the other ones catch up > > > >erik > > > > > or install the debian package of ymessenger ( gee ) see my original post: > i tried upgrading to the latest debian release of the yahoo > messenger off their website, but that doesn't work for me, > either. ( gee ) -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net/jnl ^`~'^ ++ Sponsor me as I run my SECOND marathon for AIDS: ++ ++ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DC-2844 ++ pgpNUIHQNHR1F.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: gnome-panel-data 2.6.1-4 problems
Hi, Unfortunately I am having the same problems. I was on holiday for 3 weeks, so wasn't able to get this done earlier. I searched the archives, and found the link mentioned. Unfortunately it is dead by now :(. I did some more googling but couldn't find anything else... Anyone having a copy of xlibs_4.3.0.dfsg.1-1_all.deb ??? Or maybe there is already a better solution?? Pim > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:35:21 +0300 (EEST) > George Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> beside all this i can't see the icons in their normal shape. i only see >> something like a paper > > Search the archives; this has been discussed here in the past few weeks. > It basically boils down to a missing dependency for nautilus; nautilus > shouldn't have come down to sarge yet because that missing dependency > hasn't come down. A page linked in the discussion I refer to above > provides the fix for this. > > -c > > -- > Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (remove "snip-me." to email) > > "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I > have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:21:48PM -0500 or thereabouts, James W. Thompson, II wrote: > I have six GMail invitations to give away. If you are interested > simply visit one of the following pages, first come, first served. As > long as no one protests I will post other invitations to give whoever > wants them here. > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-50683ed958 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-ccaa66ec90 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-f5161c08bf > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-609abdfafb > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-ff340a2705 > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-e54810ea9e Well as expected by the time I started reading my e-mail this morning, all invites have been exhausted. Anymore available -- I'll gladly volunter to be a beta tester. ;) -- Steve + Friday Jun 25 2004 09:41:01 AM EDT + How many QA engineers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 3: 1 to screw it in and 2 to say "I told you so" when it doesn't work. pgpuZLqCDZmkZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
problem with gnome-setting-daemon
Hi I have a problem. I have looked at many thread and still cannot find my solution. I have : x-window-system 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 kernel 2.4.23 gnome 2.6.1 and when running the gnome-settings-daemon I have the following -- ** (gnome-settings-daemon:2162): WARNING **: Could not activate the XKB configuration The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. (Details: serial 112 error_code 1 request_code 0 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) -- It is supposed to work. I have removed everything in my home directory and still I have this problem any idea how to fix it? Thanks Manu __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squid Analysis Package on Debian
I check my results through sarg most, but I use calamaris as well. It gives daily, weekly, and monthly reports by default, which can be helpful. There's no problem running both, so probably worth checking out.
Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? (for remote ssh tunnels)
Will Trillich wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25 at 01:24PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
Will Trillich wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25 at 11:46AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
Will Trillich wrote:
can linux have multiple 127.0.0.1 interfaces? if so, how?
I'm not talking to myself, I'm talking to someone else. Therefore I
shouldn't use a local interface.
i think one of us doesn't understand the problem solved by
port-forwarding...?
turns out the vast majority of these connections will be coming
from beyond a remote firewall (remote from where the server is
located on the 'net):
Cool. That's the problem tunneling (port forwarding) solves. So does
openvpn, but more generally: it can make two lans separeted by the
hostile Internet seem to be one.
client
192.168.9.9
|
192.168.0.1
client firewall
11.22.33.44
|
| internet
|
22.44.66.88
server's firewall
10.1.1.1
|
10.1.2.3
server
the server can't open a port on the client machine, cuz it can't
get past the client firewall. the client CAN ssh past the server
virewall (that's how the latter is set up) to the server itself
and establish a remote-to-local forwarding rule. if the server
can be made to chat with a localhost interface using a port to
match the forwarding setup, it will work -- for one user per
loopback interface.
I don't understand why the server would be making the connexion request.
By definition, the client does that.
Here's what openvpn does:
traceroute to 192.168.1.252 (192.168.1.252), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 ns (192.168.9.4) 0.359 ms 0.226 ms 0.209 ms
2 gw (192.168.9.1) 0.413 ms 192.168.7.254 (192.168.7.254) 0.929 ms
0.552 ms
3 192.168.1.252 (192.168.1.252) 1058.580 ms 1103.616 ms 1066.529 ms
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
The internet is between 2 & 3. I can see all hosts on 1.x and other
networks it can route to, and they can see me. Of course, I can add
rules to the firewalls, and I could use NAT.
I'm running openvpn on gw at my end (my firewall, a Powermac running
Woody) and the host at the other end is inside the firewall, a
commercial ADSL router.
Using ssh the way _I_ described. I can connect from my system at home to
hosts at work. In the specific example I gave, I could connect to the
webserver on 127.0.0.1.
With this command:
ssh -L 8088:192.168.4.254:80 192.168.1.252
if I open my browser on http://127.0.0.1:8088/ then ssh forwards the
connexion request to 1.252 and from there makes a connextion request to
port 80 on 192.168.4.254 which could be an ADSL router. The router would
see the request as coming from 1.252.
There's no objection to using eth0:${n}, and you can also use dummy:
How many do you want?
for n in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do ifconfig dummy0:$n 192.168.19.${n};done
about those dummy interfaces... can they be made into loopback
devices? and if so, how?
You don't want loopback devices. The loopback device is for me to send
messages to myself: the client and server are on the same box.
_I_ would use the IP address of an existing interface. Servers can
generally accept many requests to the one port and IP address.
On this box, I can address my webserver with either of these IP addresses:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ifconfig | grep inet
inet addr:192.168.9.114 Bcast:192.168.9.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
Whether I actually get the same content depends on the configuration of
the web server, but that's a topic for another time.
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John
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Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
I do not have anymore invitations right now. If there are others interested in them please drop me a simple message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send some out as soon as I get them. On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:44:51 -0400, S.D.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:21:48PM -0500 or thereabouts, James W. Thompson, II wrote: > > I have six GMail invitations to give away. If you are interested > > simply visit one of the following pages, first come, first served. As > > long as no one protests I will post other invitations to give whoever > > wants them here. > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-50683ed958 > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-ccaa66ec90 > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-f5161c08bf > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-609abdfafb > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-ff340a2705 > > > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-5cb03dc1c9-e54810ea9e > > Well as expected by the time I started reading my e-mail this morning, all > invites have been exhausted. > > Anymore available -- I'll gladly volunter to be a beta tester. ;) > > -- > Steve > + > Friday Jun 25 2004 09:41:01 AM EDT > + > How many QA engineers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? > > 3: 1 to screw it in and 2 to say "I told you so" when it doesn't work. > > > > noname - 1K > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:03:29AM -0500 or thereabouts, James W. Thompson, II wrote: > I do not have anymore invitations right now. If there are others > interested in them please drop me a simple message at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send some out as soon as I get them. Thanks James! Sent an offlist e-mail using in the 'from' field. -- Steve + Friday Jun 25 2004 10:16:01 AM EDT + I didn't order any WOO-WOO ... Maybe a YUBBA ... But no WOO-WOO! pgpKr0h7LPuLv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
Made a mistake. My address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone who has responded in this thread I have marked for the list. On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:19:27 -0400, S.D.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:03:29AM -0500 or thereabouts, James W. Thompson, II wrote: > > I do not have anymore invitations right now. If there are others > > interested in them please drop me a simple message at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send some out as soon as I get them. > > Thanks James! Sent an offlist e-mail using in the > 'from' field. > > -- > Steve > + > Friday Jun 25 2004 10:16:01 AM EDT > + > I didn't order any WOO-WOO ... Maybe a YUBBA ... But no WOO-WOO! > > > > noname - 1K > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? (for remote ssh tunnels)
On Fri, Jun 25 at 09:56PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Will Trillich wrote: > >turns out the vast majority of these connections will be coming > >from beyond a remote firewall (remote from where the server is > >located on the 'net): > > Cool. That's the problem tunneling (port forwarding) solves. So does > openvpn, but more generally: it can make two lans separeted by the > hostile Internet seem to be one. vpn is a very clever use of resources, and an amazing boost in convenience 1) once it's set up [much heavy lifting there requiring much expertise when things aren't Just Quite Right] and 2) even tho it provides lots more functionality [i.e. security issues] than most folks usually need, and is certainly the case here when we only need one tcp port to do the dirty work and 3) are typically better suited for long-term lan-to-lan connections than transient solitary-pc-to-lan connections. > >the server can't open a port on the client machine, cuz it > >can't get past the client firewall. the client CAN ssh past > >the server virewall (that's how the latter is set up) to the > >server itself and establish a remote-to-local forwarding > >rule. if the server can be made to chat with a localhost > >interface using a port to match the forwarding setup, it will > >work -- for one user per loopback interface. > > > I don't understand why the server would be making the > connexion request. By definition, the client does that. aha -- suddenly i become the teacher. it's not "by definition" -- it's "in the VAST majority of cases". as in "very seldom, and it's surely suspicious behavior that should be investigated by at least three government agencies at the highest level, there will be a case for forwarding server ports to the client, not that there's anything wrong with that." MOST traffic, by far, is initiated by a client that connects to a server. but sometimes there's an instance (quickmate from janzabar in this case) where after the main connection is established, the user activates a function on the server, and the server initiates another connection to the client -- in this instance to activate the quickmate menu. quickmate opens the local/client port, listening for instructions from the server; when the server says (at the user's request) "do this menu" it pops up and away we go. in fact, until yesterday, i myself wondered when you would possibly ever need a remote-to-local connection. voila! here's one (perhaps the very single only one ever, in the entire history of the universe, since the dawn of time, ever). cases like this one is why the bright folks who came up with port forwarding for ssh decided to not only have locate-to-remote tunnels, but remote-to-local tunnels as well. that is, not "-L" but "-R". see the ssh manpage. even brighter, the ssh virtuosi also managed to allow for specifying a HOST to beam the remote end to. in our case we don't need another hop, but the option is there and it's an awesome one to have available when it's needed. i never would have been able to implement that kind of genius, but i'm glad someone did. smart folks, there. :) > Here's what openvpn does: > traceroute to 192.168.1.252 (192.168.1.252), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > 1 ns (192.168.9.4) 0.359 ms 0.226 ms 0.209 ms > 2 gw (192.168.9.1) 0.413 ms 192.168.7.254 (192.168.7.254) 0.929 ms > 0.552 ms > 3 192.168.1.252 (192.168.1.252) 1058.580 ms 1103.616 ms 1066.529 ms > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > The internet is between 2 & 3. I can see all hosts on 1.x and > other networks it can route to, and they can see me. Of > course, I can add rules to the firewalls, and I could use > NAT. vpn is way cool, no doubt. if we had one in this case, you're right -- this would all be moot. and maybe someday in the future, politics permitting, that will happen. i hope so. for now, we ssh with tcp ports tunnelled all over creation. :) > I'm running openvpn on gw at my end (my firewall, a Powermac running > Woody) and the host at the other end is inside the firewall, a > commercial ADSL router. > > Using ssh the way _I_ described. I can connect from my system at home to > hosts at work. In the specific example I gave, I could connect to the > webserver on 127.0.0.1. > > With this command: > ssh -L 8088:192.168.4.254:80 192.168.1.252 > if I open my browser on http://127.0.0.1:8088/ then ssh forwards the > connexion request to 1.252 and from there makes a connextion request to > port 80 on 192.168.4.254 which could be an ADSL router. The router would > see the request as coming from 1.252. aha! but, as you said: > You don't want loopback devices. The loopback device is > for me to send messages to myself: the client and server > are on the same box. "i'm talking to myself"! 127.0.0.1 is the loopback interface, so you "don't want that"... :) unless you've got the port forwarded elsewhere. right? yes? hmm? :) similarly to your setup, i've got my firewall at home set to
Re: Problem installing Gnome in Sid [Debian newbie]
Em Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:30:12 +0200, Stelian Iancu escreveu: > I've installed Debian with the sarge net installer, then upgraded to sid. Sid is unstable, often broken. Wait a few days, or just use sarge. -- Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 5685 2219 Av Sgto Geraldo Santana, 1100 6/71[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04.674-000 SÃo Paulo, SPBRASIL http://br.geocities.com./lgcdutra/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AAARRRGGGGHHHH! How does one set up woody to talk to an HP Deskjet 882C printer?
I've tried a bunch of things: going to LPRng, various printcaps as advised by various books and websites, http://www.linuxprinting.org, ... Print spooling is *still* sick: Part of the first page, then nada! BTW, how does one return ALL of the print queues and status messages, et alia, back into virgins? Once I get an error status, it's there until I disclose a different error... Thanks for your help!! (especially if it works!) George D. Freeman IV the softrat "Honi soit qui mal y pense." mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, M)assive heart failure? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wierd Question
That's interesting. My knowledge is based mostly on my parents' experience, about ten years back, and welcome messages from telneting into the library, so it's somewhate outdated. My personal experience is more in LBL than UC Berkeley, but I've only seen one X11 desktop there. Daniel --- zeroion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Definately. Here in Berkeley, the UC leans in the > BSD > > direction, as I'm sure you can imagine (this is > not > > Speaking as a current Berkeley CS student, I feel > that UC Berkeley > leans in the direction of Solaris. I have yet to see > a BSD workstation > in any of the main computer labs, which is ironic > considering its > origins. Most of the programming labs here at > Berkeley are stocked > with Sun Rays connected to a Solaris 9 server. > > > > Majoring in languages makes no sense to me, > unless > > you want to be > > > pigeonholed into one language for the rest of > your > > life. > > I would second that statement. Here at Berkeley (and > I believe at most > universities too), students are taught programming > concepts and > theories, rather than actual languages. While the > first semester CS > course focuses on Scheme (a Lisp dialect), the goal > is to teach > students to think as programmers. After completing > the class, students > should be able to transfer their skills to any > programming language. > > > > > > majored in... oh.. for example, Driver > > > development. > > Well, topics like driver development are covered in > upper-division CS > and EE courses. I don't think they would serve well > as majors, though. > It really narrows down the field of your experience. > I'd rather major > as CS with a speciality in driver development than > just be a driver > developer. > > -Stephen Le > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Daniel > Asarnow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Definately. Here in Berkeley, the UC leans in the > BSD > > direction, as I'm sure you can imagine (this is > not > > true of every UC. I hear that Davis uses a lot of > > Solaris and Linux machines). I know from friends > that > > the City College in San Francisco also uses > *nix...my > > impression from talking to various people around > the > > Bay Area is that every educational institute here > uses > > *nix pretty heavily. > > Not my high school, though. Luckily, the > computers > > all let you boot from the CDROM, so the Knoppix > disc I > > carry in my backpack comes in handy. > > > > Daniel > > > > --- Chris Metcalf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree. Better to go to a university that gives > you > > > a good solid > > > foundation in computer science and then to > > > specialize later on. > > > > > > If you want to learn about *nix programming, why > not > > > pick a university > > > whose courses show loyalty towards working on > *nix > > > platforms? At my > > > alma mater (the University of Michigan), they > > > started us off from the > > > first year programming on Solaris and every > Intel > > > machine in the labs > > > dual-booted with Linux. Its certainly a lot > better > > > than a school that > > > only teaches you programming in MS VC++. > > > > > > Chris M. > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:23:45 -0600, Monique Y. > > > Mudama > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2004-06-23, Cecil penned: > > > > > I'm headed back to school. But I had a > thought > > > after I considered why > > > > > I wanted to go back to school. It would be > > > totally cool if there was > > > > > some sort of "Linux School". A 4 year or 6 > year > > > school, where you > > > > > majored in... oh.. for example, Driver > > > development. Or game > > > > > programming. Or a specific language. Major > in > > > C++, and minor in > > > > > assembly. Things like that. Major in a > scripting > > > language. Bash major, > > > > > Perl minor. Am I just nuts or does this > excite > > > anyone else? Does it > > > > > even exist? If it did, I'd go there, and not > > > back to college. > > > > > > > > Majoring in languages makes no sense to me, > unless > > > you want to be > > > > pigeonholed into one language for the rest of > your > > > life. Learn > > > > concepts, not languages. > > > > > > > > Driver development, game programming, etc, > would > > > be great -- as > > > > continued education programs, like a master's. > > > You have to learn how to > > > > design and code software before these kinds of > > > courses will do any good. > > > > > > > > Just my opinion, since you asked. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > monique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? > Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Metcalf > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://chrismetcalf.net > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? > Contact > > > [EMAIL PR
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
Daved Daly wrote: >> Nope because the problem stems from the very core of how they are >>doing things. > I'm still not sure, I really understand exactly what you mean there... The whole archives instead of delete and lack of folders in combination. > Again, I dont exactly get what you mean by that "it's a mess", at > least I don't quite see it that way. There is no ability to sort on anything other than having each thread (damn their "conversations" notion, we need no new terms here!) show up based solely on which has had a reply last. Contrast that to my client (be it thunderbird, mutt or squirrelmail, I use all three) which shows all old mail then all new mail with definite groupings alphabetically first then by date. > I use it for 19 different low to medium traffic lists. With the > filters I've setup, everything's fairly neatly organized and easily > accessible. Only if you like it their way. "They can have any color they want as long as it's black." -- Henry Ford >>There's no clear deliniation between new and old mail. > Using Labels to separate things out without a Filter to automaticaly > assign labels would be a pain... That's not the issue. The problem is that twofold. 1: Archive instead of delete. 2: Labels show old *AND* new mail. I cannot get just a display of "new mail in Debian". > Google seems to market GMail with the "Search not Sort" idea, which > I've written to them that I think is a mistake. Quite so. > When I sign up for a new mailinglist, I immediately create a Label for it. > Then I create a filter. So did I on just two lists and found it was a pain. > Clicking the label link I have a nice threaded view of all mail sent > to the list with New topics or replies displayed in Bold. With no idea really of whom has written the new messages nor any means of displaying it except one way. > Threads with the most recent activity will always show up at the top. ...in the order of "last sent to" instead of a general "new threads" and some other way of looking at it. > Selectively deleting a message out of a thread I don't find that > particularly hard. Click "More options" on the message you want to > trash, then "Trash this message". No, that isn't a problem until you realize that if you want message 61 out of a 200 message thread you need to delete, one-at-a-time, 199 messages to preserve that one. I'm not sure if they're linking threads by references/in-reply-to or just by subject but I doubt it is by just references/in-reply-to alone. So what happens to that message you wanted saved the next time that subject comes up and you delete the thread? Chances are it would be deleted, too. > There's some things that I don't like about it... A lot of the time I > just want to see new threads, and immediately mark them all as read. > Doing this takes a couple extra clicks then I'd prefer... but it's not > too horrible, and I'd bet it will continue to evolve and change. Quite so. This is the main problem with the "don't delete anything" way of thinking. With deleting of all save a select few messages things work better. In GMail the labels are meaningless because I have to archive it and then mark it as read to keep the messages from showing up over and over again. I could delete but I've explained the general problem with that and it still is more convoluted than need be. Open thread, expand message, select menu, select delete. No thanks. :/ -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problem installing Gnome in Sid [Debian newbie]
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:39:46 -0300, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corsetti Dutra > > I've installed Debian with the sarge net installer, then upgraded to sid. > > Sid is unstable, often broken. Wait a few days, or just use sarge. apt-get install gnome/sarge or apt-get install gnome/testing You might also look to see whether there is a working version of libexif in experimental. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aptitude and backports with the same name as unstable packages
Hi, 1) I have a woody box where i installed some backports of X and other programs. When i started aptitude, it gave me a lot of broken packages because it wanted to upgrade the X packages from unstable ( i have unstable sources in my package list too) and marked the packages as broken. Anyway, i got that to go away by putting the x packages on hold. I'm not sure if this is a good sollution in the long run but it seems so for the moment. 2) The version of checkinstall and installwatch from backports.org don't contain a string in the version name so their version is the same as the version from unstable. When going to the package discription i can only see for instance for checkinstall p 1.5.3-3 p 1.5.3-1 So i can't distinguish between the unstable and the backports version. Is there anyway i can view the location or to install from a particular location? Thanks, Benedict -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude and backports with the same name as unstable packages
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:48 +0200 (CEST), Benedict Verheyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anyway i can view the location or to install from a particular > location? apt-get install package/unstable I guess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Delivery (failure customer_service@musicmatch.com)
Hello, Thank you for contacting the Musicmatch Customer Support Department. Emails are answered Monday through Friday during regular business hours (8AM to 5PM PST.) We respond to all email in the order in which they are received. For this reason, please do not resubmit your customer support request. The average response time is currently under 12 hours. You may be able to find the answers to your questions much faster at any of the various locations: For FAQ's, interactive tutorials and usage instructions starting with the basics all the way through advanced topics, point your Internet browser to the following web page: http://www.musicmatch.com/info/user_guide/ The Musicmatch searchable Knowledge Base: http://www.musicmatch.com/form/support/ Another good source of information about Musicmatch Jukebox features and functionality is Musicmatch Jukebox Help. You can view the help documentation by clicking the "Help" menu within the Jukebox and selecting "Musicmatch Jukebox Help" from the popup menu. To change or cancel a Musicmatch MX subscription trial or renewal, use the following URL to login to your account management web page: http://www.musicmatch.com/acctmgmt/ We look forward to assisting you! Thank you for your patience and support! Best Regards, Musicmatch Customer Support
Good Linux backup program
Hi! Just wanting to know if anyone on here has any recommendations for backup programs for my Debian box. I'm looking for a program with a nice, easy to use gui, which can do automated backups of parts of the filesystem and then store the backup on a smb mount. I'd like something that makes it easy to extract individual files as well as extracting the whole archive. Does anything like this exist? BTW, I use KDE so anything that integrates well with that is a bonus. Thanks, Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude and backports with the same name as unstable packages
> Hi, > > 2) The version of checkinstall and installwatch from backports.org don't > contain a string in the version name so their version is the same as the > version from unstable. When going to the package discription i can only > see for instance for checkinstall > p 1.5.3-3 > p 1.5.3-1 > So i can't distinguish between the unstable and the backports version. > Is there anyway i can view the location or to install from a particular > location? I found an answer to this part of my question. Just as i posted it, i tried googling with a different searchterm. I thought that the keyword was location but it's origin that's the key to a succesful google session. I found that one can pin against a location so by putting the following code in your /etc/apt/preferences file, the files from backports.org always end up on top and get installed. Package: * Pin: origin www.backports.org Pin-Priority: 850 (where 850 > pin priority of the biggest other priority number in the preferences file) Maybe there are other ways put that's the one i found. Benedict -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude and backports with the same name as unstable packages
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:48 +0200 (CEST), Benedict Verheyen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Is there anyway i can view the location or to install from a particular >> location? > > apt-get install package/unstable > > I guess. No, this will not work as the version from unstable and backports is the same and i want to install the one from backports. I used pinning to solve the problems (see other mail) Regards, Benedict -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:14:44 -0700, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no ability to sort on anything other than having each thread > (damn their "conversations" notion, we need no new terms here!) show up based Thread is a pretty unintuitive term, conversation is more natural - I won't have to explain to my parents what conversation means, with any luck :) > Only if you like it their way. "They can have any color they want as long > as it's black." -- Henry Ford Ford changed over time, so can GMail. Tell them what you want. > >>There's no clear deliniation between new and old mail. I mark old mail as Read. Works for me. > 1: Archive instead of delete. This works until we start running out of space. By which point, they might extend the limits or alter the interface to support deleting really old stuff etc. > 2: Labels show old *AND* new mail. I cannot get just a display of "new mail > in Debian". True, but it does highlight new mail pretty well. > > > Google seems to market GMail with the "Search not Sort" idea, which > > I've written to them that I think is a mistake. > > Quite so. I disagree, I find looking for my email a pita in other clients. No, I can't justify that, it's just a preference. > With no idea really of whom has written the new messages nor any means of > displaying it except one way. If you want other ways, ask for them. > No, that isn't a problem until you realize that if you want message 61 out > of a 200 message thread you need to delete, one-at-a-time, 199 messages to > preserve that one. I'm not sure if they're linking threads by > references/in-reply-to or just by subject but I doubt it is by just > references/in-reply-to alone. So what happens to that message you wanted > saved the next time that subject comes up and you delete the thread? Chances > are it would be deleted, too. I agree, but hopefully by the time I need to delete anything that will be sorted. > Quite so. This is the main problem with the "don't delete anything" way > of thinking. With deleting of all save a select few messages things work > better. In GMail the labels are meaningless because I have to archive it and > then mark it as read to keep the messages from showing up over and over again. > I could delete but I've explained the general problem with that and it still > is more convoluted than need be. Open thread, expand message, select menu, > select delete. No thanks. :/ I set my debian-user filter to archive the mail, works for me. A better place to send this stuff might be http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/request.py -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH! How does one set up woody to talk to an HP Deskjet 882C printer?
On (25/06/04 07:18), the softrat wrote: > I've tried a bunch of things: going to LPRng, various printcaps as > advised by various books and websites, http://www.linuxprinting.org, > ... Print spooling is *still* sick: Part of the first page, then nada! > > BTW, how does one return ALL of the print queues and status messages, > et alia, back into virgins? Once I get an error status, it's there > until I disclose a different error... > > Thanks for your help!! > > (especially if it works!) Hi George Have you looked at cups? Have a look at: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/ HTH Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aliases to file
I want to set up a Postfix aliases entry to make it convenient for users of another MTA (GroupWise) to send spam and ham for later entry to the Bayes database via sa-learn. I have a Postfix server available and I've made an entry to /etc/aliases (spam: /var/spool/mail/spam/). When Postfix attempts to save a mail file, I get the following error: Jun 25 09:23:24 web2 postfix/local[12651]: 103814BE9D: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (maildir delivery failed: create /var/spool/mail/spam/tmp/1088173404.12651_0.web2: Permission denied) I've tried various directories, permissions, and owners including /home/me/spam/ and /tmp/ with the same result. /var/spool/mail/spam drwxrwxrwt3 root mail 4096 Jun 25 09:21 spam I tried making a tmp dir within spam with this acl: drwxrwxr-x2 root mail 4096 Jun 25 09:21 tmp Perhaps I need to use mbox format rather than trying to use maildir? Ideas? tia Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH! How does one set up woody to talk to an HP Deskjet 882C printer?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:18:36 -0700 the softrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've tried a bunch of things: going to LPRng, various printcaps as > advised by various books and websites, http://www.linuxprinting.org, > ... Print spooling is *still* sick: Part of the first page, then nada! > > BTW, how does one return ALL of the print queues and status messages, > et alia, back into virgins? Once I get an error status, it's there > until I disclose a different error... > > Thanks for your help!! > > (especially if it works!) When I got Woody talking to my HP OfficeJet G85, I ended up compiling hpijs and hpoj from source code, apt-get installed cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client and cupsys-driver-gimpprint. You wouldn't need the hpoj packages, obviously. The cupsys package is the main cups package. Cupsys-bsd is required if you want to have the print command lpr, for those programs that use it. Cupsys-driver-gimpprint is pretty obvious, as is cupsys-client. After installing all that, restart cups to make sure it sees the hpijs drivers (just in case you compiled it after apt-get installing cups). Then point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:631 and you can configure your printer. When it asks for a password, it wants the root password for your machine. Note: you will need to have any necessary modules already insmod'ed or modprobed, but it sounds like you do, since it's working as much as it is. HTH, Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #7: Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. Linux is the answer. pgp2LYeSHMAL1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: detaching a process from an ssh session ??
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:32:19AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 08:06, Damian Morris wrote: > > to do it manually, you need to use one of the special ssh escape > > codes. from my ssh man page: > > > >Escape Characters > > ~. Disconnect. > > The one you want is "~." but make sure you enter it as the input on an > > empty line. > > I discovered it even needs to be the first characters typed on a line, > not just an empty line. > > The thing with this is that it terminates the backgrounded process. (In bash at least) you can use "disown -h " to remove a job from your shell's job table without killing it. (man bash) In combination with a backgrounded ssh session, maybe this will do? HTH -- Chris Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- GNU/Linux --- The best things in life are free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saving iptables rules?
Does anyone know if there is a plan to fix/address this before the next release? Also, could someone give me a copy of the old script "/etc/init.d/iptables". I need a way to save my rules, as we all do. Thanks. Ralph Darryl Luff wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:15 am, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Darryl Luff wrote: Ralph Crongeyer wrote: How does one save iptables rules in Debian "Unstable/SID"? I've tried iptables-save and get some output with no errors, but when I reboot all my rules are gone? Is there a "Debian way" of doing this? Rather ... If you dont have the init scripts (which are apparently deprecated) I think the rules aren't automatically restored on reboot. In Testing at least there are some notes in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz that show how to do it using ifupdown, which doesn't quite seem right to me unless you have seperate per-interface rules, but on a single interface box I suppose it doesnt matter. . I guess it doesn't matter for a single interface but it hardly seems like the best solution either. At least to me. It seems there used to be a script in /etc/init.d/ called iptables to start and stop and save rules. It's all over google. But that script doesn't exist on any of my four SID boxes, unless it is provided by another package? It's deprecated in current SID so the only machines that have it are ones that have been around for a while and been upgraded. There must be a better way to handel this than ifupdown? Does anyone know of plans to bring the script back? Or other plans for another solution? I don't know what the plan is. I don't like using ifupdown because you'd have to manage a separate rule script for each interface. But I've never liked the init.d script because I normally expect things in there to be actually starting daemons. But come to think of it that's not valid anyway. I think the logical place would be at the end of /etc/init.d/networking. It could look for /etc/network/firewall and run it if it existed. This is the file that sets up routing and anti-spoofing, and the firewall should be configured as soon as possible after the network comes up. Darryl.
Re: Six GMail Invites, First come, First Served!
Ricky Clarkson wrote: > Thread is a pretty unintuitive term, conversation is more natural - I > won't have to explain to my parents what conversation means, with any > luck :) Conversation is unintuative because we're not having one. Conversations are generally verbal affairs. ;) I might have gone with discussion, maybe. Doubt it, though. >>Only if you like it their way. "They can have any color they want as long >>as it's black." -- Henry Ford > Ford changed over time, so can GMail. Tell them what you want. I shouldn't have to. 20+ years of email working in a servicable matter. They should match that first and then expand upon it. There's no clear deliniation between new and old mail. > I mark old mail as Read. Works for me. Added step which really should not be needed. Now I need to archive mail and then mark mail which has never been read as read. >>1: Archive instead of delete. > This works until we start running out of space. By which point, they > might extend the limits or alter the interface to support deleting > really old stuff etc. Except for the whole un/read problem and the fact that for any real use its not going to last all that long. >>2: Labels show old *AND* new mail. I cannot get just a display of "new mail >>in Debian". > True, but it does highlight new mail pretty well. I disagree. It marks threads with new messages in an acceptable manner. That is a far cry different than marking new mail. >>With no idea really of whom has written the new messages nor any means of >>displaying it except one way. > If you want other ways, ask for them. See above. Besides, I have a feeling it would break the concept they're going for. See, you, and others, are laboring under the notion that I am concerned with what they plan on doing. I'm not. I'm looking at this as "is this viable RIGHT NOW compared to other offerings in general as well as when they were at a similar level." It isn't. > A better place to send this stuff might be > http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/request.py Neat, Python! -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
On 2004-06-25, Brian Astill penned: > > And Monique and others think this is simple??? When did I say that? If you're referring purely to the naming conventions, I agree that they're confusing, but no one's been able to come up with a better way to handle it. Usually, the people proposing new names are, well, new to the system, and the names they suggest are based on a faulty understanding of the characteristics of the various options. Also, the devs have made it clear that changing the names would be a major pain in the butt; I guess I believe that there are more valuable issues on which they can spend their time. There are no one-word descriptions of the characteristics of the three options, so any name is going to be slightly flawed. It seems to be human nature to assume that stable->testing->unstable is a spectrum from rock-solid to flakey, and that may be the case at any given time, but that's not what defines them. I guess you just have to read enough debates that finally the lightbulb goes on and you "get" it. That's what finally happened to me last year some time. -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem installing Gnome in Sid [Debian newbie]
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:19:49 +0300 Stelian Iancu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi! > > I tried to install gnome in Sid and in the end the problem is with the > libexif9 package which it says it is not installable. It's available in sarge. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpDVu3ntQjHz.pgp Description: PGP signature
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