Re: Netmeeting clone (not gnomemeeting)

2002-04-10 Thread John
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:36:32PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
> 
> >> Might I ask why you don't just try gnomemeeting? It's in woody, so it 
> > isn't
> >> like there would be any problems meeting its dependancies.
> >>
> > But it is quite old. The latest version is not there even in sid. The
> > version in woody is 0.12 and the current version is 0.8+. Same with the
> > other packages it depends on like openh323 and pwlib.
> 
> That and I don't like having fourty-thousand libraries laying around for
> just one package.
> 

Well, there's ohphone.  It's command line app. I used it to see & talk with
my son who was using ms netmeeting.  Takes some fiddling though to get
it right.

John
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Re: Reducing font size in

2002-04-10 Thread Andy Saxena
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 12:07:15AM -0700, Florentin Ionescu wrote:
> My understanding is that "unix/:7100" is necessary if you run
> xfstt server - from documentation I thought that is necessary to
> run xfstt if you want support for all true type fonts. Is this
> true or false ?
> 
> For configuration I used
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/index.html
> 
> 
I don't know if this has already been answered, but you are correct. If
you use a font server you need that line.

-Andy


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Re: X window cut-n-paste question

2002-04-10 Thread Crispin Wellington
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:58, Bill Moseley wrote:
> Ok, I have to ask.
> 
> What's the equivalent to windows, mark text to copy, Ctrl-C, move mouse,
> mark text to replace, ctrl-V to replace?
> 
> I often find my self highlighting some that I want to paste someplace
> else.  But that someplace else (like a Location entry for a browser)
> already has text in the field.  So, I double-click to highlight, and
> backspace to remove, but now I've replaced my original cut buffer so I
> can't paste.
> 
> This is running KDE.

One of the big problems of KDE 2 is that it uses QT 2. One of the big
problems of QT 2 is that it doesn't use the X clipboard protocol. Thus
KDE 2's implementation of the clipboard is badly broken. Gnome 1.4
handles this correctly.

QT 3.0 correctly uses the clipboard protocol. KDE 3 is based on QT 3.
Thus KDE 3 will work correctly with the X clipboard (and interoperate
with the gnome clipboard). Many people seem to think KDE 3 is not
changing anything with regards the kde system. But this one change alone
is a *major* improvement IMHO.

So perhaps the answer to your problems lies in KDE 3?

for more info...

http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/clipboards.txt
http://dot.kde.org/1006384488/1006476851/1006480500/1006486361/
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/wm-spec-list/2000-November/msg00023.html

Kind Regards
Crispin Wellington


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Re: X window cut-n-paste question

2002-04-10 Thread Matthew Dalton
Bill Moseley wrote:
> 
> Ok, I have to ask.
> 
> What's the equivalent to windows, mark text to copy, Ctrl-C, move mouse,
> mark text to replace, ctrl-V to replace?
> 
> I often find my self highlighting some that I want to paste someplace
> else.  But that someplace else (like a Location entry for a browser)
> already has text in the field.  So, I double-click to highlight, and
> backspace to remove, but now I've replaced my original cut buffer so I
> can't paste.
> 
> This is running KDE.

I'm assuming KDE 2.x here...

Do you have a little red & white clipboard symbol in your KDE panel?
(Bottom right corner of the screen if you haven't moved the panel
around.) This is a little app that remembers the last couple of things
you selected. You'll be able to get back the text you're after with it,
and then paste it into the empty field.

You can also just avoid selecting the original text in the field by
single clicking and using backspace/delete to get rid of it. In some
apps you can use Emacs key combinations to manipulate the text in fields
(Netscape and Mozilla do, for example, don't know about the KDE apps).
Try 'CTRL-a CTRL-k' (move to beginning of line, delete to end of line
respectively) after single clicking on the text field.


Matthew


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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Elizabeth Barham
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> When I view a man page or run vi or nano from xterm or Konsole and then
> exit, the screen is restored to the way it was before I started the
> program.
> 
> This doesn't happen when not running X.  How do I disable this?  I like
> to be able to scroll down in a man page, exit, and leave that text
> viewable.

I like that too. This is more of a less issue and less of a man issue.

When man fetches a man page to display, it pumps the data to the
default pager - generally 'less'.

One method to fix this is to change your default pager, example:

export PAGER=cat

Another option is to tell less to disable sending the termcap
initialization and deinitializtion strings to the terminal. (see
less(1)).

export LESS="-X"

As for vi or nano, perhaps there is something similar described in
their man pages.

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Re: X window cut-n-paste question

2002-04-10 Thread Elizabeth Barham
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> What's the equivalent to windows, mark text to copy, Ctrl-C, move mouse,
> mark text to replace, ctrl-V to replace?
> 
> I often find my self highlighting some that I want to paste someplace
> else.  But that someplace else (like a Location entry for a browser)
> already has text in the field.  So, I double-click to highlight, and
> backspace to remove, but now I've replaced my original cut buffer so I
> can't paste.
> 
> This is running KDE.

Generally it's:

Highlight with left mouse button.
Paste with middle mouse button.

Mozilla does the Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V thing. Also, if you click the middle
mouse button after you just highlighted a URL, it will go to the URL.

Elizabeth


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vmware with parport device in bidirectional mode

2002-04-10 Thread Arno Baier
hi
i 've probs get the parport device work with vmware 3.0 and 3.1.
i switched the paralell device in the bios to epp mode and compiled the 
modules parport and parport_pc. i do not use a printer on lp, so i did not 
compile lp support into the kernel. /dev/parport0 exists.
if i configure vmware to use /dev/parport0 in bidirectional mode a message 
"Connot open /dev/parport0: No such device". modules parport and parport_pc 
are loaded.
i saw that the device /dev/partport0 has root,root so only root can use this 
device. is it possible to make it as lp wich has root,lp rights?

i'm using woody with kerel 2.4.19pre3.

thx
arno


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Printers, and Samba, and Swat (oh my!)

2002-04-10 Thread Brian W. Carver
System: Debian 2.2r6 potato with a few woody upgrades.

I'm trying to use printtool to set up my HP Laserjet 5L and when I start
it up it claims that Samba is not installed.  Samba is installed, but I
just haven't configured it yet.  The printer is autodetected and passes
the ascii test direct to port, but does not pass the regular ascii test
or the postscript test.  I couldn't cut and paste the exact error, as
the text wasn't selectable.  Beyond auto-detection by printtool what
else should be done to set up the printer?

Also, I'd like to configure samba using swat, but when following the
directions in Learning Debian Gnu/Linux Chapter 10 (
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/ch10_03.html ) It says "To
access swat, point your browser to port 901 of your system. For example,
you can use the URL http://localhost:901/. Your web browser will prompt
you for a userid and password; specify root as the userid and give the
appropriate password. Figure 10.1 shows swat's main menu, accessed by
using the system's IP address in place of its hostname."

When I type http://localhost:901/ or http://192.168.0.1:901/ as the
example shows into Mozilla, I do NOT get asked for a userid or password,
and instead I get a pop up box saying: connection refused.  I am logged
in as root when this happens.

Do I have firewall settings blocking 901 or something?  Or overall, 1)
How can I make swat work? and 2) How do I get the printer to work?
Thanks for any help.

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Linux utility to recover NTFS

2002-04-10 Thread eric . lim
HI
Does anybody know what theLinux utility to recover NTFS is called?
Is there a copy for download somewhere in the web?
Thks
Eric




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Subject: Linux utility to recover NTFS
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Hi,

I'm setting up to install debian, but one problem first. An NT
installation broke an NTFS partition, and my red hat installation. so
i'm moving to debian. I need to recover the data in order to make room
for debian.

There must be such a tool. I just read this in the new o'reilly book
learning debian:
"Eventually, I recovered 95 percent of my data by
using a free Linux utility that was able to open the
damaged NTFS partition and copy its files. If I'd
been without Linux, I'd be without my data."

Does anybody know what the utility is called?

Would it be possible to create a boot diskette and run the utility off
that?

Thanks,

Marcus

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Re: color text in terminals...

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Apr 08, 2002, Crispin Wellington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 14:15, Ross Tsolakidis wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > Simple question...
> > 
> > In Redhat by default, in a terminal when you do a dir listing, the files are
> > color coded..  dirs, executables, text...  etc...
> > How can I do this on Debian ?
> > 
> > Running Debian Sparc Woody.
> 
> ls --color
> 
> For permanence. Add
> 
> alias ls="ls --color"
> 
> to your .bashrc file.

May I suggest:

   alias ls="ls --color=auto"

...which toggles color on and off depending on whether stdout is a
terminal or a pipe.

> Personally I find it lurid and annoying :)

That was my initial take some years ago.  Now I find Unices which lack a
colorized ls depriving.  Color is a good cue.

Peace.

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HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Kirk
Hi all,

Galeon keeps prompting me to recover from crashed sessions. I'm running
it remotely and it usually crashes because the connection breaks.

I seem to remember that there was an option called CArsh Recovery under
the advanced preferences tab that allowed me to suppress these prompts. 
Does antone know where it might have gone?

Also, there was an option to configure the title bar.  It's be very
handy if I could change it from '%s - Galeon' to '%s - hostmane' and I
can't find that either.

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Re: Linux utility to recover NTFS

2002-04-10 Thread Crispin Wellington
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 15:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HI
> Does anybody know what theLinux utility to recover NTFS is called?
> Is there a copy for download somewhere in the web?
> Thks
> Eric

The linux ntfs project is hosted on sourceforge.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/

You're probably after
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/linux-ntfs/linux-ntfs/ntfstools/ntfsfix.c

Good luck. I sure don't envy you ;)

Crispin Wellington


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Re: Woody: Apache SSL not starting

2002-04-10 Thread Holger Rauch
Hi Tom!

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Tom Cook wrote:

> [...] 
> You seem to have made a couple of silly mistakes here.

Yes, indeed... I admit it ;-) Thanks for pointing this out.

> [...] maybe apache was already configured to listen there?

I don't know. In order to verify what you suggested, I did the following:

1. Removed apache and libapache-mod-ssl again ("apt-get remove ...")
2. Reinstalled apache-ssl ("apt-get install apache-ssl")
3. Reentered the data for a selfsigned certificate
4. Tried the "netstat" and "lsof" commands you suggested

Result: "apache-ssl" shows up in "ps auxwww | grep apache-ssl" and the
"netstat" and "lsof" commands showed the expected results (LISTEN state on
port https).

Thanks for taking your time and helping me out.

Kind regards,

Holger



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Re: Linux utility to recover NTFS

2002-04-10 Thread Elizabeth Barham
I suppose you could just compile a kernel with the NTFS read enabled,
mount the NTFS file system and copy the data off of it.

Elizabeth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> HI
> Does anybody know what theLinux utility to recover NTFS is called?
> Is there a copy for download somewhere in the web?
> Thks
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Linux utility to recover NTFS
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:02:13 +0100
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm setting up to install debian, but one problem first. An NT
> installation broke an NTFS partition, and my red hat installation. so
> i'm moving to debian. I need to recover the data in order to make room
> for debian.
> 
> There must be such a tool. I just read this in the new o'reilly book
> learning debian:
> "Eventually, I recovered 95 percent of my data by
> using a free Linux utility that was able to open the
> damaged NTFS partition and copy its files. If I'd
> been without Linux, I'd be without my data."
> 
> Does anybody know what the utility is called?
> 
> Would it be possible to create a boot diskette and run the utility off
> that?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: Linux utility to recover NTFS

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Kirk
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 08:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HI
> Does anybody know what theLinux utility to recover NTFS is called?
> Is there a copy for download somewhere in the web?
> Thks
> Eric
> 
> 
Its my impression that you sould never ever mount a NTFS partition with
write permissions under Linux.  That particular fs module is labelled
Experimental in the kernel and they do mean it!

NTFS is a superb file system - just use win2k to install again in a new
directory  and you wont' lose any data. (You don't need to format the
disk when installing win2k).
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ISP user and password

2002-04-10 Thread Rodney Agha



Hi,
Does anyone know where the user name and password 
would be for your isp ???
I thought it was the ppp file, ?
Does anyone know ?


Re: How does 'compact' do it?

2002-04-10 Thread Donald R. Spoon

Eric d'Alibut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When I came into possession of a Micron dual PPro with a Symbios scsi
adapter and new scsi drive, I grabbed the "compact" flavor of 2.2r6
and easily installed Debian over a cable 'net connection. The compact
kernel boots nicely with LILO on /dev/sda; the only tweaking needed
was adding an append in lilo.conf: append="sym53c8xx=mpar:n"

Problem: I cannot build a kernel that will boot from the hard drive! I
am using the 2.2.19 source, and every custom kernel I have built fails
the same way; the boot dies - grinds to a halt - with no error
messages as soon as the "Ok, now booting the kernel" message appears.

These kernels _can_ boot from floppy if you make a boot floppy when
make-kpkg prompts you as to whether or not you want one. Hence the
Subject: line "How does compact do it?" i.e. how does the compact
kernel manage to boot off the hard drive when all of my custom ones,
even those that consist for the most part of compact's .config itself,
fail.

I'm getting ready to go the initrd route, but that shouldn't be
necessary, should it?

--
Eric d'Alibut


The kernel on the "compact" disk has several of the more common drivers 
"compiled in" rather than compiled as modules.  Your SCSI driver is one 
of those.  This is propably at the root of your problem.  When you are 
compiling the new kernel you are selecting to compile the sym53c8xx 
"driver" as a module. Check out the "config" for the kernel used in the 
 compact boot floppies (at the same site where you got the floppy 
images) and you will see what I mean.


When LILO starts a boot selection, it doesn't know much or have much 
capability.  It can access the kernel, place it into memory and start 
running it and that is about it.  The process is similar to the 
increasing capabilities of and infant --> child --> teenager --> adult, 
but in a very rapid manner.  The code to access boot-critical devices 
(like your hard drive) MUST be in the kernel code and NOT as a module 
stored on the File System.  The one exception to this "rule" is if you 
are using initrd.


You have your basic "chicken vs egg" connundrum if it is compiled as a 
module.  The code to access the HD is stored within the file system, 
which cannot be mounted and read until the HD is accessed, which cannot 
be done without the module code.  The way around this is to make it part 
of the kernel code, or use an initrd image file to "pre-load" 
boot-critical device driver code.


Cheers,
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Re: ISP user and password

2002-04-10 Thread Crispin Wellington
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 16:12, Rodney Agha wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know where the user name and password would be for your isp ???
> I thought it was the ppp file, ?
> Does anyone know ?

Usually /etc/ppp/pap-secrets or /etc/ppp/chap-secrets depending on how
you connect. You should use pppconfig to change them anyway.

Kind Regards
Crispin Wellington



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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:11:31AM -0500, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > When I view a man page or run vi or nano from xterm or Konsole and then
> > exit, the screen is restored to the way it was before I started the
> > program.
> > 
> > This doesn't happen when not running X.  How do I disable this?  I like
> > to be able to scroll down in a man page, exit, and leave that text
> > viewable.

Weird ... the problem doesn't happen on my machine at all. However, I
use gnome-terminal, not xterm, so that might make a difference.

...

Yes, after installing and running xterm, I can confirm that. Is there
someone who knows why?

> I like that too. This is more of a less issue and less of a man issue.
> 
> When man fetches a man page to display, it pumps the data to the
> default pager - generally 'less'.
> 
> One method to fix this is to change your default pager, example:
> 
> export PAGER=cat
> 
> Another option is to tell less to disable sending the termcap
> initialization and deinitializtion strings to the terminal. (see
> less(1)).
> 
> export LESS="-X"
> 
> As for vi or nano, perhaps there is something similar described in
> their man pages.

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Re: vmware with parport device in bidirectional mode

2002-04-10 Thread Crispin Wellington
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 14:40, Arno Baier wrote:
> hi
> i 've probs get the parport device work with vmware 3.0 and 3.1.
> i switched the paralell device in the bios to epp mode and compiled the 
> modules parport and parport_pc. i do not use a printer on lp, so i did not 
> compile lp support into the kernel. /dev/parport0 exists.
> if i configure vmware to use /dev/parport0 in bidirectional mode a message 
> "Connot open /dev/parport0: No such device". modules parport and parport_pc 
> are loaded.
> i saw that the device /dev/partport0 has root,root so only root can use this 
> device. is it possible to make it as lp wich has root,lp rights?

What about /dev/par0?

Kind Regards
Crispin Wellington



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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Florentin Ionescu
This might help if you use vim -
alias viman="man --pager=\"col -b | vim -R -T linux -c 'set ft=man nomod  
nolist' -c 'sy on' -\""


On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Bill Moseley wrote :

| Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:42:09 -0700
| From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
| Subject: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X
| Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:54:46 -0700
| Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
|
| When I view a man page or run vi or nano from xterm or Konsole and then
| exit, the screen is restored to the way it was before I started the
| program.
|
| This doesn't happen when not running X.  How do I disable this?  I like
| to be able to scroll down in a man page, exit, and leave that text
| viewable.
|
| Thanks,
|
|

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Re: Upgrade > PCMCI failure (UPDATED

2002-04-10 Thread Luca Pasquali
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:18:20PM -0700, Vaughan, Curtis wrote:
> I just did an apt-get upgrade on my laptop. There was a kernel upgrade.
> Fine. But after rebooting, my PCMCI card is not detected. As I recall, going
> through modconf there was a PCMCI module that should be compiled into your
> kernel, but it?s no longer available. What am I doing wrong? How do I get my
> card back up and running?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Updated section:
> Running /etc/init.d/pcmcia start I get the following error:
> Module directory /lib/modules/2.2.20/pcmcia not found.
> This is the case. Why?
try depmod -a

It was an upgrade of a precompiled kernel image?


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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:22:25 +0200
> Luca Pasquali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Galeon is the only substitute that I've in mind by now, links rox :-)
> > keta
> 
> Depends whether you do 'real-world' bowsing or not. There is no browser in
> Linux which can correctly display all web sites thrown at it. 

Define "correctly display"?  For standard HTML, there's no problem.
Ditto, if you want to abuse yourself by installing the plugins, most
flash, Java, and Javascript, though I disable these, and don't patronize
sites requiring same.  Frankly, I don't think I lose much in the
bargain.

The unattainables are largely sites with ActiveX controls, and those
relying on or utilizing media formats not supported under GNU/Linux.
This gets to the question though -- are these "Web sites", in the sense
of pages displayed using hypertext transfer protocol per W3C standards,
or are they proprietary application data transfer platforms, locked to
Legacy MS Windows-centric designs.  And where to such sites find
themselves if 40% of the Web, represented by AOL, turns left at
Albequerque?

The other incompatibles are sites which are specifically locked into
delivering content _only_ to a specified browser set.  I note that many
of these sites also lock out web spidersincluding Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=shop+site%3Awww.argos.co.uk

(Argos is a large UK-based retailer).

In general, setting the user-agent header bypasses the bulk of these
blocking actions, leading to additional navel-gazing over the
significance of weblog stats reporting high numbers for Legacy MS
Windows-centric browsers


> AFAIK Konqueror, for example, can't display secure web pages, 

Wrong.

In fact, Konqueror SSL support was reliable for quite some time before
Galeon / Mozilla PSM was generally available in Woody.  One of the few
uses I *had* for Galeon was to browse SSL sites.

> ruling it out for things like on-line banking etc.. I need to use
> Opera, Galeon and Netscape 6 to cover most sites, and Netscape 4 is an
> indispensible backup because it usually displays those pages the
> others won't and the print quality is usually spot on.
> 
> I have had many an argument with Linux zealots in the Opera newsgroups who
> tell me that Shockwave is a waste of bandwidth, that 'all these graphics'
> are totally unneccesary etc. etc. ad nauseum. I understand what they say,
> but that *is* the internet for most people, and they (and I) want to do
> real things which may have nothing to do with computers.

There are several very real reasons to promote use of non-Flash site
design:

  - Accessibility -- mandated under the ADA in the US.
  - Search index access.
  - Vendor lock in.

It's amazing watching the cattle lining up for slaughter.  C'est la vie.

Peace.

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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, John Habermann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:32, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:49:01 +0100
> > "Phillip Deackes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > Depends whether you do 'real-world' bowsing or not. There is no
> > > browser in Linux which can correctly display all web sites thrown at
> > > it. AFAIK Konqueror, for example, can't display secure web pages,
> >
> > That's not true. I'm using it for all my https:// browsing, although it is
> > a little strict on what it thinks is a valid certificate.
> 
> How have you done that. I just seem to get told that https is not supported 
> when I try to use konqueror (2.2.2 in Debian Unstable) to view https pages. 

You need non-US in /etc/apt/sources-list and the kdebase-crypto package
installed.


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Re: Ok, so what's this MS Exchange crap? (was Re: Not read: ????????:????)

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> begin  Paul 'Baloo' Johnson quotation:
> > 
> > How do you do this?
> 
> This is ugly, but:
> 
> 
> :0
> * ^Content-Type:.application/ms-tnef*
> * !^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mine's a bit more to the point:

# Microsoft tnef docs:  treat as spam
:0h
* -1^0
* 1^0 ^X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook
* 1^0 ^Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
{
:0
| ricochet
}

Ricochet:  http://vipul.net/ricochet/  Automated spam responder, parses
headers for ISP, relays, etc.

While it's got problems with true spam due to header spoofing, it should
do a nice job with the MSEX crap.

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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:33:57AM -0700, Florentin Ionescu wrote:
> This might help if you use vim -
> alias viman="man --pager=\"col -b | vim -R -T linux -c 'set ft=man nomod  
> nolist' -c 'sy on' -\""

Wow, nice hack. There's also the :Man command in vim 6, which you might
like.

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optimization of fetchmail

2002-04-10 Thread Luca Pasquali
I've a doubt about my fethmailrc, if I've to poll down several accounts from
the same pop-server is better to put in the fetchmailrc many polls as the
accounts are or one poll with a user list i.e.:

is better to do

poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
user foo password "foo" is joe here;

poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
user foo2 password "foo" is joe2 here;

or like this:

poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
user foo password "foo" is joe here;
user foo2 password "foo" is joe2 here;

which of this solutions works better in a mailserver that polls a hundred
external mboxes?

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Re: Backup software and dhcp

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Adam craig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi.

Please set your mailer/editor linewrap to 68-75 characters.  I strongly
recommend 72 as a good default.

Thank you.

> My first question is what are people using in the way of backup
> software ?  I backup 80 Giga every night to a DLT 7000 and I'm using
> Arcserve from CAI but I don't trust Arcserve 100 % (especially with
> this quantity of data). Any happy/horror stories welcome (I need
> something that can run the library/loader too).

tar.

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html

amanda is also strongly recommended.

Peace.

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Re: good day.

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> begin  Karsten M. Self quotation:
> > 
> > Also, specifically for Nigeria/419 scams and variants:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Add the subject "No loss, for your records only" if you haven't lost
> > money yet.
> 
> Just like Treasury, to make it JUST difficult enough that people won't
> remember to do it.

$ grep 'nigeria' ~/.mail-alias
alias nigeriascam-report Nigeriascam Report <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Peace.

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Re: Upgrade > PCMCI failure (UPDATED

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Vaughan, Curtis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I just did an apt-get upgrade on my laptop. There was a kernel upgrade.
> Fine. But after rebooting, my PCMCI card is not detected. As I recall, going
> through modconf there was a PCMCI module that should be compiled into your
> kernel, but it?s no longer available. What am I doing wrong? How do I get my
> card back up and running?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Updated section:
> Running /etc/init.d/pcmcia start I get the following error:
> Module directory /lib/modules/2.2.20/pcmcia not found.
> This is the case. Why?

There was some pretty well documented breakage in Debian Woody for a
while this winter -- check debian-user and/or debian-devel and/or
debian-laptop in February.  The bugs against pcmcia-cs appear to have
migrated off the bug page (anyone know if old bugs are available
somewhere?)

My own comments on the issue, with links elsewhere:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2002/debian-laptop-200202/msg00192.html

Bug report:

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=133968

My understanding (and having recently revved another box, experience) is
that the problem is mostly resolved.  Or is it?  My currently-being
rebuilt box just lost PCMCIA last night, though I haven't had a chance
to investigate yet.  So you may have a new issue.

Peace.

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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Galeon keeps prompting me to recover from crashed sessions. I'm running
> it remotely and it usually crashes because the connection breaks.
> 
> I seem to remember that there was an option called CArsh Recovery under
> the advanced preferences tab that allowed me to suppress these prompts. 
> Does antone know where it might have gone?

   Settings => Preferences => Advanced => Crash Recovery.

> Also, there was an option to configure the title bar.  It's be very
> handy if I could change it from '%s - Galeon' to '%s - hostmane' and I
> can't find that either.

Your hosts have manes?  Mine only have tails ;-)

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Re: ISP user and password

2002-04-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Rodney Agha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know where the user name and password would be for your isp ???
> I thought it was the ppp file, ?
> Does anyone know ?

Be more specific.  For what protocols and/or actions.

For ppp dialup, modify these using 'pppconfig'.

You'll probably find what you're looking for under /etc/ppp/pap-secrets.

You can find all instances with:

   $ find /etc -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l 

...you'll probably also find instances for your .fetchmail configuration
and possibly a newsserver configuration.

Peace.

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VIA AC97 Audio Controller

2002-04-10 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobica

Did someone configured succesfully this sound card (on board) with
Debian:

Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio
Controller (rev 10)

(as mentioned by lspci command).

Thank you,
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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Kirk
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 10:35, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hi all,
[snip]
> 
>Settings => Preferences => Advanced => Crash Recovery.

Nope.  that option has gome in version 1.2

> 
> > Also, there was an option to configure the title bar.  It's be very
> > handy if I could change it from '%s - Galeon' to '%s - hostmane' and I
> > can't find that either.
> 
> Your hosts have manes?  Mine only have tails ;-)

Someday I'll learn to proof-read...
> 



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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Kirk
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 10:51, Patrick Kirk wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 10:35, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Patrick Kirk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> 
> Nope.  that option has gome in version 1.2
 ^ ^
 ^ ^

[snip]
> 
> Someday I'll learn to proof-read...
> > 
OK.  That's just embarrassing.  I'll learn to proof read now.
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Re: VIA AC97 Audio Controller

2002-04-10 Thread Danie Roux
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:51:07AM +0200, Ionel Mugurel Ciobica wrote:
> 
> Did someone configured succesfully this sound card (on board) with
> Debian:
 
Yes, had more trouble in Windows2000 than in Debian myself :)

> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio
> Controller (rev 10)
 
I recompiled my kernel. I have 2.4.16 on here (yes it's old). Make sure
you have "CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX=m" set in you .config file when you
recompile the kernel.

I'm not sure that recompiling your kernel is strictly necessary.

> (as mentioned by lspci command).

Then a simple

modprobe via82cxxx_audio

works.

Put that line in /etc/modules to get it done automatically at bootup.

Make sure the users that's going to use the soundcard is in the audio
group.

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Re: accented characters in linux/Debian?

2002-04-10 Thread Carlos Sousa
Sorry I lost the debian-user thread and the specific subject-line, but
here goes:

> > Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:03:56 -0300
> > > Daniel Toffetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > I will have to use some accented characters, along with some
> > > > > 'enye's in my documents in Spanish.  Does anyone know how to
> > > > > quickly get these characters, possibly through a keystroke
> > > > > toggle or some such? (I use Abiword/OpenOffice right now). 
> > > > > Thanks!...
> > > > keyboard. Abiword works well just as any other KDE application,
> > > > but I could not get OpenOffice to work properly.
> > > > Both __ and __ work OK but the accents don't work. Given that it
> > > > seems to be a problem with OpenOffice, I guess asking in some
> > > > OO-specific 
> > > 
> > > This is my case exactly. Even typing on an xterm yields the
> > > correct accented characters, it's only Openoffice that's
> > > misbehaving. I've already posted twice to their discuss list, but
> > > didn't get any conclusive answers yet.

I finally got an answer, and it worked: just set the LANG and LC_ALL
environment variables to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Portugal, in my case). I
still don't understand why accented characters work with any other
application even with LANG set to C, as it was before... And I don't
really want to change locales anyway, I want my system in English, but I
can live with a temporary change if that means being able to use OOo.

This whole thing smells like a font problem...

> > > A curiosity, though, that might be related: I can type the
> > > euro-sign in Openoffice, but NOWHERE else under X or in the
> > > console!

After reading euro-support, I finally managed to type and see the
euro-symbol on the console. Under X I still can't type it (with the
already mentioned exception of Openoffice), but I can see it. I really
can't understand what's happening, because when I use xev and I type the
AltGr+E combination, it reports:

KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x241,
root 0x36, subw 0x0, time 524986747, (617,-180), root:(621,184),
state 0x2010, keycode 26 (keysym 0x20ac, EuroSign), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 characters:  ""

So the systems knows I want an EuroSign, but apparently can't map it to
a symbol?

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Geo wrote:
> > BUMBLEBEE BUZZ:
> > 
> >   Curious whether you've used these packages:
> > 
> >   [http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/user-euro-es.html]
> >   [http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/euro-support.html]
> >   [http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/euro-support-x.html]
> >   [http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/euro-support-console.htm
> >   l][http://packages.debian.org/testing/tex/tetex-eurosym.html]

Yep.

> >   P.S. Do TrueType fonts for OpenOffice work outside OpenOffice for
> >   you (other than the Euro symbol)?

You mean, adding /home/carlos/OpenOffice.org641/share/fonts/truetype to
the X font dirs, and then try to use the opens___.ttf font? Haven't
tried, but what would that accomplish?

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fluxbox and kde

2002-04-10 Thread Thomas Peri
I've read that it's possible to use Fluxbox as the window manager in 
KDE, but everything on the Web explaining how to do this seems to be 
either outdated or 404'd.  Can someone point me to up-to-date 
documentation on this?  I'm using Woody / KDE 2.2.2 / Fluxbox 0.1.6.


Thanks

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Re: ISP user and password

2002-04-10 Thread Shaul Karl
I believe that by default for a dial in account that would be in 
/etc/chatscripts/provider, together with the other chat tokens (phone number, 
modem initialization string and some more).
--- Begin Message ---



Hi,
Does anyone know where the user name and password 
would be for your isp ???
I thought it was the ppp file, ?
Does anyone know ?
--- End Message ---

Shaul Karl
email: shaulka(replace with the at - @ - character)bezeqint.net 


Re: ICEWM-Configuration

2002-04-10 Thread Josef Oswald
Once again I need to follow-up on my own post

Josef Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Sorry if I need to ask this question here, after spending a couple of
> hours ( trial and error approach) to start IceWM with 4 Program's on 4
> different workspaces without much luck I turn to this newsgroup for
> help :-( 
>
> this is at the very end of .icewm/winoptions file:
>
> xemacs-21.4.6-mule.workspace:0 # starts on WSP1 
> Worker.workspace:1 <-this too works 
> mozilla-bin.Mozilla-bin.workspace:2 
> #gqview.workspace:3
> Gqview.workspace:3 # starts on W-sp one
> #/usr/bin/gqview.workspace:3
> #/usr/bin/Gqview.workspace: 3
> Xterm.workspace:4
> #xterm.workspace:4
> #Gimp.workspace:5
>
>From IceWM-user-list I got this advice:

> Use xprop to find out the right name. For example start xprop from an
> xterm and click on gamix:
> _ICEWM_TRAY(CARDINAL) = 0
> _WIN_LAYER(CARDINAL) = 4
> _WIN_WORKSPACE(CARDINAL) = 0
> WM_STATE(WM_STATE):
> window state: Normal
> icon window: 0x0
> _WIN_STATE(CARDINAL) = 0, 63
> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gamix", "Gamix"
> WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "de"
> WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "tweety"
> WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "gamix"
> WM_NAME(STRING) = "gamix"
> WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x161
> WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
> Client accepts input or input focus: True
> Initial state is Normal State.
> window id # of group leader: 0x161
> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
> program specified minimum size: 222 by 220
> WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS
>
> The WM_NAME(STRING) tells you "gamix", which is the right name to use.
>> #Gimp.workspace:5
> gamix.workspace:1 # this is the second workspace (0 is the first)

I post this here just in case some-one else might run into the same
difficulties, many lists on Usenet contain unanswered questions. 
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Re: VIA AC97 Audio Controller

2002-04-10 Thread Luca Pasquali
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:51:07AM +0200, Ionel Mugurel Ciobica wrote:
> 
> Did someone configured succesfully this sound card (on board) with
> Debian:
> 
> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio
> Controller (rev 10)
> 
> (as mentioned by lspci command).
> 
> Thank you,
>   Ionel
It's supported by up-to-date kernels at all.
Compile your kernel and install the card as module or into kernel tree, as
you prefer :)
if you don't want to compile the kernel, try to use modconf, you'll probably
have already the working module installed, if you don't know what is
modconf, do "apt-get install modconf" and start this ncurses-based utility
that loads modules trought modprobe.

enjoy :)

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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Phillip Deackes
> on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Define "correctly display"?  For standard HTML, there's no problem.
> Ditto, if you want to abuse yourself by installing the plugins, most
> flash, Java, and Javascript, though I disable these, and don't patronize
> sites requiring same.  Frankly, I don't think I lose much in the
> bargain.

> It's amazing watching the cattle lining up for slaughter.  C'est la vie.



I have a PAL TV because I live in the UK and our terrestrial TV is broadcast in 
the PAL format. I think PAL is better than NTSC as used in the States, Japan 
etc.. If I move to the US I will take my PAL TV with me because it is better. I 
may only be able to watch PAL Videos, or the output from other kit I take with 
me, but what the hell - PAL is better. I would like to run my car on LPG. The 
fact that there are no service-stations near me selling it shouldn't matter - 
it is better for the environment and I think all cars should run on it. Hey, I 
might get it converted tomorrow.

I am afraid I cannot be so arrogant about this. What I do on the Internet is 
not always to do with Linux, or with other such highbrow subjects. Sometimes I 
just want to play, or do some shopping. Yes, I have visited the Argos site, the 
Littlewoods Extra site and so on. No, they do not work well in Linux - but will 
not stop using these sites because I could be cutting off my nose to spite my 
face.

I am not interested in telling web designers that they need to re-design their 
sites so that a small percentage of extra users can access them. I know they 
are wrong, but I just want to *use* the Internet to get things done.

If my washing machine only washes certain items of clothing and other washing 
machines wash much more, then the answer is clear. The situation with Linux 
browsers is not so bad that such a choice is forced on us, but it is 
irritating. If the world and his dog is writing web sites to suit MS IE, then 
how does it help us to take the moral highground and refuse to budge? As a 
user, it helps me very little.

Heck, if a stable version of IE was released for Linux I would use it. I might 
even buy it - AND I hate MS!

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Re: No screen lock in Gnome

2002-04-10 Thread Jeroen Valcke
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:16:59PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
> First, make sure you've installed xscreensaver.
> 
> Then, if it's there, click on the foot menu, and go to Panel, Add To
> Panel, Lock Button.

Thanks, that solves the problem.

> Odds are you haven't installed xscreensaver yet, or it'd be there
> already.

xscreensaver was installed after the fresh install. But I had no idea
were the icon was.

Oke, this is a detail. But is it possible to add the lock button to the
Gnome desktop menu?

Thanks
-Jeroen-

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100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Thomas Peri
I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since 
many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and 
things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets 
clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?


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Re: vmware with parport device in bidirectional mode

2002-04-10 Thread Arno Baier
Am Mittwoch, 10. April 2002 10:29 schrieb Crispin Wellington:

> What about /dev/par0?

the same message "Cannot open /dev/par0: No such device"

any other ideas?

Regard
Arno


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FW: Re: gnome-utils won't install on update

2002-04-10 Thread stan

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:07:26AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:49:31PM -0400, stan wrote:
>> I trued to update my woody box yesterday, and ran inot a small problem 
> with
>> the gnome-utils package. I fugured it was a intermitent thing, so I 
> waited
>> till today, and trued agaain, still no luck.
>> 
>> Here's what I'm geting:
>> 
>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
>> Setting up gnome-utils (1.4.1.2-3) ...
>> /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update: relocation error:
>> /usr/lib/libscrollkeeper.so.0: undefined symbol: 
> xmlLoadExtDtdDefaultValue
>> dpkg: error processing gnome-utils (--configure):
>> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>> gnome-utils
>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>> 
>> What can I do to fix this? And does this mean that I should not try to
>> update my other machines?
>> 
> I vaguely remember of having faced this problem. What I did was install
> the new version of scrollkeeper using dpkg -i and then installed
> libscrollkeeper. That solved the problem. Maybe it is a bug as apt-get
> is supposed to handle such dependencies.
> 

I'm not certain what you are recomending here.

I'm doing this through dselect.

I tried:

smokey:~# dpkg -i scrollkeeper
dpkg: error processing scrollkeeper (--install):
 cannot access archive: No such file or directory
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  scrollkeeper


So, clearly I'm not understanding what you are sugesting hrere.

Thanks for any advice, and should I avoid trying to upgrade other machines
untill this is resolved? Curently I have only hosed up one f them.


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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Bill Benedetto

  BillM> When I view a man page or run vi or nano from xterm or Konsole and then
  BillM> exit, the screen is restored to the way it was before I started the
  BillM> program.
  BillM> 
  BillM> This doesn't happen when not running X.  How do I
  BillM> disable this?  I like to be able to scroll down in a man
  BillM> page, exit, and leave that text viewable.

  Matijs> Weird ... the problem doesn't happen on my machine at all. However, I
  Matijs> use gnome-terminal, not xterm, so that might make a difference.
  Matijs>
  Matijs> ...
  Matijs>
  Matijs> Yes, after installing and running xterm, I can confirm that. Is there
  Matijs> someone who knows why?

Look at the xterm resource "titeInhibit".  Set it to True to stop
the xterm from resetting after less.

You can test it like this:

  xterm -xrm "XTerm*titeInhibit:True"

and then put it in your .Xdefaults file (or whatever you favor).

HTH,

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Re: using unstable package on testing?

2002-04-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:18:41PM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> Weird, Licq is available as a package in unstable and in stable, but not
> in testing. My question what's the best thing to do to install this on a
> Debian testing system? Is it possible to select some package from
> unstable and install them on a testing machine?

You have two choices here: you can manually download the unstable
package and install it (and all its' dependencies) using dpkg or you
can use a new feature of apt, called 'pinning'.  Basically, it lets
you use two different distributions

> I once installed realplayer but I never figured out how to install it
> system-wide? Somebody who has tips on installing this piece of software.

Really?  The realplayer package installed it just fine for me.
Available to all users, as far as I can tell.
Could you elaborate?

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Re: fluxbox and kde

2002-04-10 Thread Sheldon Lee-Wen
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On April 10, 2002 06:02 am, Thomas Peri wrote:
> I've read that it's possible to use Fluxbox as the window manager in
> KDE, but everything on the Web explaining how to do this seems to be
> either outdated or 404'd.  Can someone point me to up-to-date
> documentation on this?  I'm using Woody / KDE 2.2.2 / Fluxbox 0.1.6.


Edit the file /usr/bin/kde2 and on the line:

ksmserver --restore

add

- --windowmanager 

where  is the path to the script/program to start your window manager.

In the file you can see the following documentation just before the ksmserver 
line:

# Syntax:   ksmserver [--restore] [--windowmanager ]
# if no windowmanager is specified, ksmserver will ensure kwin is started.
# [--restore] should be controlled by kdm

Sheldon.
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Re: kernel recompile takes the "work" out of "network"

2002-04-10 Thread Herbert Xu
Yury Sulsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - When I recompiled, I simply changed all of the modules that I need to be
> built-in, including the tulip driver. Maybe I have to do something extra to
> get this to work?

The tulip driver is known to be broken on some older chipsets.  You can
use the de4x5 driver instead.  Please mail me if you'd like to help getting
it fixed.
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Re: debian hangs cpu 100 percent

2002-04-10 Thread Quenten Griffith
Well I must say you are excellent that was what the problem was. Once I 
set that everything started working great.  Thank you.  Really don't 
know how you knew that was the problem but it works.


Shyamal Prasad wrote:


   "Quenten" == Quenten Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

   Quenten> Well I finally got a "good" Debian install or at least a
   Quenten> compelete one anyways and everything is working fine
   Quenten> (only took three times trying to install it lol) But for
   Quenten> some reason when I do anything such as untar a large
   Quenten> archive or even ftp to my computer a bunch of files my
   Quenten> cpu jumps to 100 percent or around that.  I have a 733mhz
   Quenten> PC I have had up to 512megs of memory in it at times
   Quenten> trying to figure this out.  It started with the 2.2
   Quenten> kernel so I compiled the 2.4-18 kernel and am using that

You probably need to turn on DMA for the hard drives. Some thing like
'hdparm -d1 /dev/hda' should help. Basically read 'man hdparm'. The
things you want are to ensure that DMA is on (-d flag), multcount is
set right (-m) and I/O support is 32 bits if you have relatively new
hardware (which it sounds like you do).

Cheers!
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Debian Woody Book?

2002-04-10 Thread Michael J. Madden
Does anyone know of an upcoming book that covers the upcoming Debian 3.0?  
I am currently using the 'Debian GNU/Linux Bible', and I find it good
reference on 2.2.

Thanks,

Mike


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Re: ISP user and password

2002-04-10 Thread John Hasler
Karsten M. Self writes:
> ...you'll probably also find instances for your .fetchmail configuration
> and possibly a newsserver configuration.

I suggest using a different password for newsserver authentication if
possible.
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Re: Woody: Apache SSL not starting

2002-04-10 Thread Tom Cook
On  0, Holger Rauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> 
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Tom Cook wrote:
> 
> > [...] 
> > You seem to have made a couple of silly mistakes here.
> 
> Yes, indeed... I admit it ;-) Thanks for pointing this out.
> 
> > [...] maybe apache was already configured to listen there?
> 
> I don't know. In order to verify what you suggested, I did the following:
> 
> 1. Removed apache and libapache-mod-ssl again ("apt-get remove ...")
> 2. Reinstalled apache-ssl ("apt-get install apache-ssl")
> 3. Reentered the data for a selfsigned certificate
> 4. Tried the "netstat" and "lsof" commands you suggested
> 
> Result: "apache-ssl" shows up in "ps auxwww | grep apache-ssl" and the
> "netstat" and "lsof" commands showed the expected results (LISTEN state on
> port https).
> 
> Thanks for taking your time and helping me out.

I think what I was suggesting (not too sure about this, but I think
this is where I was going) was that apache was *already* serving up
https content before you even started installing apache-ssl -
certainly something was using port 443 (since apache-ssl couldn't
access it).  The only thing which seems likely is apache.  Now that
you have re-installed apache-ssl (which I think is very keen when you
had a working system) I would be interested in the results of the lsof
command I suggested earlier.  What lsof does is tells you what process
owns a file (or in this case a port).  If

# lsof | grep https

reports something like

apache-ss 440 root IPv4 220292 *:https (LISTEN)

then that means that apache-ssl now 'owns' the https port.  So try
accessing some https content:  point your browser at
https://localhost/ and see what happens.

I feel a bit bad about pointing this out when you had a working
system, as it seems to have made you keen and *uninstalled a working
system* (something you wouldn't catch me doing).  Sorry.

Tom
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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Lance Heller
Setting the 'PAGER' environmental variable to "exec less -sX" may 
also serve your needs.
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Re: Linux utility to recover NTFS

2002-04-10 Thread eamon-roque
Hi!

Writing to a NTFS file system can work out quite nicely, but then, on 
the other hand, it can fry the partition. Handle with care! I think 
that the best idea was already mentioned: mount, copy the data off and 
reformat.

HTH.

Eamon Roque.

- Originalnachricht -
Von: Patrick Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Mittwoch, 10. April  2002, 10:07
Betreff: Re: Linux utility to recover NTFS

> On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 08:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > HI
> > Does anybody know what theLinux utility to recover NTFS is called?
> > Is there a copy for download somewhere in the web?
> > Thks
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> Its my impression that you sould never ever mount a NTFS partition 
> withwrite permissions under Linux.  That particular fs module is 
> labelledExperimental in the kernel and they do mean it!
> 
> NTFS is a superb file system - just use win2k to install again in 
> a new
> directory  and you wont' lose any data. (You don't need to format the
> disk when installing win2k).
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Galeon crashing

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Kirk
Hi,

Galeon has started freezing up and shows the folowing error message if I
call it from the command line:

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXt.so [libXt.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXext.so [libXext.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]

libXext.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla and there is no libXext.so 



Its only certain sites that cause it to lock - one that always crashes
it is www.mobilestreams.com

If I run galeon www.mobilestreams.com I get this in top as well as a
frozen browser:

 14:28:13 up 1 day,  3:29,  2 users,  load average: 0.95, 0.82, 0.71
67 processes: 65 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  98.5% user,   1.5% system,   0.0% nice,   0.0% idle
Mem:126724K total,   121968K used, 4756K free, 9344K buffers
Swap:   445004K total,14728K used,   430276K free,83612K cached

  PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
 5348 patrick   17   0 20468  19M 14540 R96.0 16.1   0:12 galeon-bin

Yes - galeon is taking 96% of CPU.  Never goes below 93% if I try that
site.

I know this is machine specific because it works fine on my laptop.

Anyone recognise this?

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Mutt GnuPG and Null

2002-04-10 Thread null
Hi all, 


Im' running Mutt under Debian Sid with ssmtp

and evrytime I want to sign mail with GnuPG I've got an error
(this one http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html). Does this error
come from my .muttrc ??

and my return adress is set to NULL (why ???) 

How may I fix this ?

here is my GnuPG configuration's file in my .muttrc 


# decode application/pgp
set pgp_decode_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --status-fd=2 %?p?--passphrase-fd 0? 
--no-verbose --quiet  --batch  --output - %f"

# verify a pgp/mime signature
set pgp_verify_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --status-fd=2 --no-verbose --quiet  
--batch  --output - --verify %s %f"

# decrypt a pgp/mime attachment
set pgp_decrypt_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --status-fd=2 --passphrase-fd 0 
--no-verbose --quiet  --batch  --output - %f"

# create a pgp/mime signed attachment
# set pgp_sign_command="/usr/bin/gpg-2comp --comment '' --no-verbose --batch  
--output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --detach-sign --textmode %?a?-u %a? %f"
set pgp_sign_command="/usr/bin/gpg--no-verbose --batch --quiet   --output - 
--passphrase-fd 0 --armor --detach-sign --textmode %?a?-u %a? %f"

# create a application/pgp signed (old-style) message
# set pgp_clearsign_command="/usr/bin/gpg-2comp --comment ''  --no-verbose 
--batch  --output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --textmode --clearsign %?a?-u %a? 
%f"
set pgp_clearsign_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --no-verbose --batch --quiet   
--output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --textmode --clearsign %?a?-u %a? %f"

# create a pgp/mime encrypted attachment
# set pgp_encrypt_only_command="pgpewrap gpg-2comp  -v --batch  --output - 
--encrypt --textmode --armor --always-trust -- -r %r -- %f"
set pgp_encrypt_only_command="pgpewrap /usr/bin/gpg--batch  --quiet  
--no-verbose --output - --encrypt --textmode --armor --always-trust -- -r %r -- 
%f"

# create a pgp/mime encrypted and signed attachment
# set pgp_encrypt_sign_command="pgpewrap gpg-2comp  --passphrase-fd 0 -v 
--batch  --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust -- -r %r 
-- %f"
set pgp_encrypt_sign_command="pgpewrap /usr/bin/gpg  --passphrase-fd 0  --batch 
--quiet  --no-verbose  --textmode --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? 
--armor --always-trust -- -r %r -- %f"

# import a key into the public key ring
set pgp_import_command="/usr/bin/gpg  --no-verbose --import -v %f"

# export a key from the public key ring
set pgp_export_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --no-verbose --export --armor %r"

# verify a key
set pgp_verify_key_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --verbose --batch  --fingerprint 
--check-sigs %r"

# read in the public key ring
set pgp_list_pubring_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --no-verbose --batch --quiet   
--with-colons --list-keys %r" 

# read in the secret key ring
set pgp_list_secring_command="/usr/bin/gpg   --no-verbose --batch --quiet   
--with-colons --list-secret-keys %r" 

# fetch keys
# set pgp_getkeys_command="pkspxycwrap %r"

# pattern for good signature - may need to be adapted to locale!

# set pgp_good_sign="^gpg: Good signature from"

# OK, here's a version which uses gnupg's message catalog:
# set pgp_good_sign="`gettext -d gnupg -s 'Good signature from "' | tr -d '"'`"

# This version uses --status-fd messages
set pgp_good_sign="^\\[GNUPG:\\] VALIDSIG"


#Activation Desactivation de la signature automatique des mails
#set pgp_autosig = yes

#Duree de memorisation de mutt de la passphrase
set pgp_timeout = 180

#Verification automatique de la signature
set pgp_verify_sig = yes

#ID de signature
set pgp_sign_as=""


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'cannot download pppoeconf' with Woody ISOs

2002-04-10 Thread eamon-roque
Hi!

I get this error when I try to install from the unofficial woody ISOs, 
although the package is on the first CD. Can I alter a file so that it 
will find the package? 'Release' for example?! Can I change the install 
config, so that it doesn't look for any pppoe packages ( I don't think 
that I need them unless there's some strange dependancy issues...)?!

Thanks!

Eamon.


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Re: Procmail Rules for Debian lists

2002-04-10 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:59:16PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Matijs van Zuijlen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:50:54AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > :0:
> > > * ^X-Mailing-List: <\/[^@<>]+
> > > $LISTDIR/$MATCH/
> > 
> > As has been noted[1] in another thread on the same subject on
> > debian-devel: this is dangerous. Someone could just send an email with
> > 
> > X-Mailing-List: <../something>
> > 
> > in its headers to overwrite your file ~/something (and try other
> > variations if that didn't work).
> > 
> > [1] See:
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200202/msg02132.html
> 
> Good point.  I was concerned about that...
> 
> Since it's matching on X-foo headers, it doens't have to pass RFC
> 822/2822 rules either.
> 
> What's a good regexp that will catch characters up to the '@' then?
> 
> * ^X-BeenThere: \/[^.@<>]+
> 
> ...will at least prevent the parent directory trick.  Is there a good
> washer for something like this that can be put into procmail?

The message I refered to suggests:

:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-\/[-a-zA-Z0-9]*
debian/${MATCH}

for debian lists, so I would think something like:

* ^X-BeenThere: \/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+

would work for most mailing lists. Otherwise, their names would be
really weird. Whether this is a good option depends on what you want to
happen if any other characters appear before the @. IIRC I saw someone
put to *-lines in a row. Maybe something along the lines of:

* ^X-BeenThere: [-a-zA-Z0-9]+@
* ^X-BeenThere: \/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+

would work? But maybe someone with more procmail knowledge should
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sshd and setting [es]?[ug]id

2002-04-10 Thread martin f krafft
hi folks,

we are in the process of conceptualizing a better owner matching
method for iptables, and part of what we want to accomplish is
associating incoming ssh connections with a user id. the *:22 socket
is owned by root, but for every established session, a new sshd is
spawned, which should drop privileges to effectively be the
authenticated user. the following somewhat goes in that direction.

  fishbowl:~> ps -eo uid,gid,euid,egid,suid,sgid,args|grep "[s]shd"
  0 0 0 0 0 0 /usr/sbin/sshd
  0 0 0 0 0   100 /usr/sbin/sshd

as you can see, there's an established ssh session for a user in the
"users" group (gid=100). what i am wondering is why the sgid
(saved gid) is set, but none of the *uid fields. furthermore, why sgid
and not gid or egid? after all, sgid should really be 0 and gid/egid
should be 100.

could someone here enlighten me? i am writing this disconnected from
the 'net, otherwise i'd (also) talk to the openssh people, and i will
forward this email to them as soon as i get an IP again.

oh, and for your info:

  fishbowl:~> dpkg -l ssh | grep ^ii
  ii  ssh3.0.2p1-8.3Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement

thanks for any insights!

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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 06:47:10AM -0400, Bill Benedetto wrote:
> Look at the xterm resource "titeInhibit".  Set it to True to stop
> the xterm from resetting after less.
> 
> You can test it like this:
> 
>   xterm -xrm "XTerm*titeInhibit:True"
> 
> and then put it in your .Xdefaults file (or whatever you favor).

Well, the test worked, now I just need to know why putting it in
.Xdefaults didn't. I'm still trying to find an M to FR, but feel free to
point me in the right direction ;).

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gnome-spell hogs CPU

2002-04-10 Thread Jean-Marc V. Liotier
A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all resources
and forces me to kill it manually. Notice the zombie ipspell sub-task
that hangs under it. This happens while I'm running Evolution.

Here is an extract of the "ps faux" output showing the two tasks that
show the symptom of my problem.

jim   1436 95.9  2.3 17092 4420 ?R04:26 268:30
 gnome-spell-component
 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1
 --oaf-ior-fd=24

jim   1439  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z04:26   0:01
 \_ [ispell ]

The defunct ispell is a daughter task of the gnome-spell-component task

I suspect that I should file an upstream bug report, unless somebody has
a clue about possible causes.

I'm running unstable on an Inspiron 4000 with 2.4.17
gnome-spell  0.4.1-3 
evolution1.0.3-1



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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Glyn Millington
Thomas Peri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since
> many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and
> things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets
> clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?

Find this part of /etc/X11/XF86Config

FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Truetype/"
FontPath   "/home/glyn/fonts/"

and make sure that the 75dpi fonts are listed above the equivalent 100dpi
fonts.  

I think that was what did the trick for me a couple of years ago!



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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Bill Benedetto

  Bill> Look at the xterm resource "titeInhibit".  Set it to True to stop
  Bill> the xterm from resetting after less.
  Bill> 
  Bill> You can test it like this:
  Bill> 
  Bill> xterm -xrm "XTerm*titeInhibit:True"
  Bill> 
  Bill> and then put it in your .Xdefaults file (or whatever you favor).

  Matijs> Well, the test worked, now I just need to know why
  Matijs> putting it in .Xdefaults didn't. I'm still trying to
  Matijs> find an M to FR, but feel free to point me in the right
  Matijs> direction ;).

This is the line from my .Xdefaults:

XTerm*titeInhibit:  True

You did log out and back in after updating your .Xdefaults,
right?

HTH,
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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Glyn Millington
Bill Benedetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


>
> You did log out and back in after updating your .Xdefaults,
> right?

or just do

xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults

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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Dave Carrigan
Patrick Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I seem to remember that there was an option called CArsh Recovery under
> the advanced preferences tab that allowed me to suppress these prompts. 
> Does antone know where it might have gone?

It's gone.

> Also, there was an option to configure the title bar.  It's be very
> handy if I could change it from '%s - Galeon' to '%s - hostmane' and I
> can't find that either.

Also gone, and I miss it mightily :-( Trying to pick out galeon from 2
dozen tightly packed buttons on a task bar is really hard when the title
of the galeon icon is just the title the last web page you were viewing
(i.e., just about anything). It was much better when I could have a
title of 'Galeon - Web Page Title'.

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Evolution and openoffice

2002-04-10 Thread Paulo Jose da Silva e Silva
Hello,

After upgrading two woody boxes (grabbing evolution 1.0.3), evolution
can't print e-mail anymore. Is anyone else experiencing this? Is there a
solution?

Moreover, I have installed openoffice 641D and it crashes under gnome.
If I run vanilla window maker then it works. I can even make it work
well if I keep on using gnome and call it from a ssh session in the same
box. Oh, and it crashes much more often (read practically 5 seconds
after starting) in one of my boxes than in the other. Any hints?

Best regards,

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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread dman
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 03:48:43AM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
| On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:33:57AM -0700, Florentin Ionescu wrote:
| > This might help if you use vim -
| > alias viman="man --pager=\"col -b | vim -R -T linux -c 'set ft=man nomod  
nolist' -c 'sy on' -\""
| 
| Wow, nice hack. There's also the :Man command in vim 6, which you might
| like.

Neat.  I didn't know about that one.  In light of that :


function man()
{
vim -c "set nolist" -c ":Man $@"
}


(with 'runtime ftplugin/man.vim' in .vimrc)

-D

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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Paulo Jose da Silva e Silva
Em Qua, 2002-04-10 às 04:34, Patrick Kirk escreveu:
> Hi all,
> 
> Galeon keeps prompting me to recover from crashed sessions. I'm running
> it remotely and it usually crashes because the connection breaks.
> 
> I seem to remember that there was an option called CArsh Recovery under
> the advanced preferences tab that allowed me to suppress these prompts. 
> Does antone know where it might have gone?
> 
Hello,

After a crash galeon asks you if you want to recover the session or not.
I think this is where the option has "gone".

Best regards,

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Re: pg 7.2 in woody (was Re: woody release)

2002-04-10 Thread dman
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:09:31AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
| On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:15:33PM -0500, dman wrote:
| > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:43:43PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
| > | You don't have to be an "insider" to know these things, just subscribe
| > | to debian-devel-announce. :) Actually, it looks fairly good for early
| > | next month; the worst problem I'm aware of relates to trying to get
| > | PostgreSQL 7.2 into woody, and that's being attended to.
| > 
| > What problems are those?  I'm curious as I just started using postgres
| > recently, and picked the 7.2 packages so I won't have to upgrade
| > later.  If I can help, I'm willing to do it.
| 
| Unlikely, I'm afraid. It's a matter of making sure everything is
| recompiled against libpgsql2, which is mostly just a matter of having a
| developer or two do the legwork.

Oh, ok.  Get on it then :-).
 
-D

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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
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On Wednesday 10 April 2002 03:22 am, Phillip Deackes wrote:
> I am afraid I cannot be so arrogant about this. What I do on the Internet
> is not always to do with Linux, or with other such highbrow subjects.
> Sometimes I just want to play, or do some shopping. Yes, I have visited the
> Argos site, the Littlewoods Extra site and so on. No, they do not work well
> in Linux - but will not stop using these sites because I could be cutting
> off my nose to spite my face.
>
> I am not interested in telling web designers that they need to re-design
> their sites so that a small percentage of extra users can access them. I
> know they are wrong, but I just want to *use* the Internet to get things
> done.

Greetings:

The last paragraph is indicative of the masses:  "I am not interested in 
telling web designers ~."  Simply multiply that by your local census, and 
soon it becomes apparent how horrible problems begin.

I *do* take the time to post notes to webmins when I hit a site I can not 
access without forking over money to M$.  I don't have M$ on my box, and I am 
going to keep it that way, but I still want to access the info I am seeking.  
I don't think that it is asking too much.

Apologies if I seem condescending, I don't mean to be.

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Re: HAS Galeon UI changed?

2002-04-10 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 15:31, Dave Carrigan wrote:
> Patrick Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I seem to remember that there was an option called CArsh Recovery under
> > the advanced preferences tab that allowed me to suppress these prompts. 
> > Does antone know where it might have gone?
> 
> It's gone.
> 
> > Also, there was an option to configure the title bar.  It's be very
> > handy if I could change it from '%s - Galeon' to '%s - hostmane' and I
> > can't find that either.
> 
> Also gone, and I miss it mightily :-( Trying to pick out galeon from 2
> dozen tightly packed buttons on a task bar is really hard when the title
> of the galeon icon is just the title the last web page you were viewing
> (i.e., just about anything). It was much better when I could have a
> title of 'Galeon - Web Page Title'.

These options are not gone, the GUI has been simplified.

Check out /usr/share/doc/galeon/EXTRA_PREFS or some such file for the
hidden preferences.

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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Phillip Deackes
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:51:36 -0700
Jaye Inabnit ke6sls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The last paragraph is indicative of the masses:  "I am not interested in
> telling web designers ~."  Simply multiply that by your local census,
> and soon it becomes apparent how horrible problems begin.
> 
> I *do* take the time to post notes to webmins when I hit a site I can
> not access without forking over money to M$.  I don't have M$ on my box,
> and I am going to keep it that way, but I still want to access the info
> I am seeking.  I don't think that it is asking too much.
> 
> Apologies if I seem condescending, I don't mean to be.

Not at all. No offence taken. 

I am not a programmer. I am an end user. At work I use Windows and can
access almost every web site going. At home I have problem after problem
*for whatever reason*. I share my house with a friend and he often uses my
computer - it is very hard trying to explain why we are using Linux when
he cannot access so may web pages. He is certainly not interested in the
slightest what a web designer uses to create his/her web site - he just
wants to access the information on it. If I suggested to him that he
contact web designers to complain about their web sites he would think I
was an idiot - 'I can access them using Windows, so what's the problem?'
would be his retort.

If you wish not to access sites written poorly, or using MS code, then you
are free to make that choice. Let's have a web browser which accesses all
web sites and I can have my choice too.

The point I am trying to make is that if a large percentage of the world
is using MS IE-specific code in spite of the best efforts of yourself and
others, it is surely far easier for Linux programmers to change whatever
is needed in Mozilla, Galeon et al. so that these pages can be accessed
than to change the habits of the web-designers around the world. Whether
we like it or not certain methods or techniques become the norm due to
sheer weight of numbers using them. This is the way of the world. The best
methods do not necessarily win through - the Video2000/Betamax/VHS issue
immediately springs to mind where the poorest quality format won the
battle.

I do agree with you in principle, but in practice it is not you or me who
decides what people use to design web-sites.

Take care. 

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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Thomas Peri
Re-ordering the lines in the file didn't work.  This leads me to believe 
I'm looking in the wrong place.


But I've just noticed something I didn't before:  It seems that the 
fonts in all KDE apps (konqueror, kmix, kcontrol) are a nice size, but 
everything else (mozilla, xmms (menus), gimp, aisleriot, and gnotski) 
uses a font that's about twice as big as in kde.


Is this a gtk vs. qt issue?  Gnome vs. KDE?  Is there a way to reduce 
the font size that these apps use?


Jerome Lacoste (Work) wrote:


On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:39, Thomas Peri wrote:

I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since 
many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and 
things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets 
clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?




if you don't want to keep your fonts installed, 


dpkg -r xfonts-100dpi

If you want to keep them, but just not use them:

check /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
and in the 'Files' section (at the beginning of the document) uncomment
the reference to 100 dpi (or place 75 dpi first)


Cheers,

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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 03:09:28PM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote:
> Bill Benedetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You did log out and back in after updating your .Xdefaults,
> > right?

Yes, I did. Didn't work.

> or just do
> 
> xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults

Haven't tried that yet. Ok, that makes

xrdb -query

actually return what's in my .Xdefaults.

Shouldn't this happen automatically when I login to X?

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Re[2]: Bandwidth Monitor

2002-04-10 Thread Alan Poulton
Tuesday, April 09, 2002, 1:14:48 PM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> ifconfig will show you that.  It's cumulative, so either take the
> interface down and up before you want to start, or write down the
> numbers.

Hmm... two questions. Do the numbers reset when the system is booted? My
guess is yes.  And does it give Bytes transmitted/received, or just the
sheer number of packets?

If the numbers are reset when the system is booted, it won't work. I
might not remember to write down the numbers if I have to reboot for
some reason.


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Re: Stuck: "EXT2-fs warning: ..."

2002-04-10 Thread Soren Andersen
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:07:10 +, I myself <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:54:45 -0700, "Steve Juranich"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > First thing, please use word-wrap on your mail client (including replies is 
> > much easier this way).

[text of my prev reply re-wrapped by IMPROVED version of my "filter"]:
> [...] but let me try this and maybe you'll be so kind as to tell me
> if it works better for you (I ran my text through a filter I wrote*
> after composing it, and then re-pasted it into the interface field).
> [...] I've found it necessary to cope with badly wrapped text to be
> quoted often before, and so I'll post my filter at this msg bottom
> for anyone to use that finds it helpful.

SORRY, what I posted in the last msg wasn't very good. Hope that any-
one interested will use THIS version instead:

>   begin script inclusion, watch for miswrapping and low-flying owls 
> 
#!/usr/bin/perl

# ---
# "eml-quot" v 0.8.1
#  (c)2000, 2001, 2002 Soren Andersen, All Rights Reserved.
#  This program is available for use under the same terms as Perl.
# ---
use Text::Autoformat;
use Getopt::Std;

use strict;
use vars qw! $opt_l $opt_r $opt_q $opt_p !;
getopt('lr');

my $leftmar = ($opt_l)? $opt_l : 1;
my $rightmr = ($opt_r)? $opt_r : 72;
my $evrypar = ($opt_p)? 0 : 1; # NEGATIVE flag: use '-p' for ONLY the first para

if ($opt_q)  {
$rightmr -= length('> ') + 1;
}

my @txt = map{(/^\s*\>/)?
 do{my $qsert='>'  if $opt_q; $qsert.$_;}
:
 do{my $qsert='> ' if $opt_q; $qsert.$_;}
 }(split qq[\n],
   autoformat(join(q[],()),{right=>$rightmr,all=>$evrypar}
 )
  );
print join qq[\n],q[],@txt,q[];
__END__

Sample usage:
bash$ eml-quot -q -r 70

 OR (for people working on 'doze especially):
bash$ [perl -S] eml-quot -q -r 70 |gclip
(`gclip' is a Free clipboard program available on the Net. Google it.)

>  end low-flying owl- and miswrapping- watch  -

  Regards All,
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Re: optimization of fetchmail

2002-04-10 Thread Craig Dickson
begin  Luca Pasquali  quotation:

> I've a doubt about my fethmailrc, if I've to poll down several accounts from
> the same pop-server is better to put in the fetchmailrc many polls as the
> accounts are or one poll with a user list i.e.:
> 
> is better to do
> 
> poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
> user foo password "foo" is joe here;
> 
> poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
> user foo2 password "foo" is joe2 here;
> 
> or like this:
> 
> poll pop.server.boh protocol pop3
> user foo password "foo" is joe here;
> user foo2 password "foo" is joe2 here;
> 
> which of this solutions works better in a mailserver that polls a hundred
> external mboxes?

I doubt it makes any difference; I don't think the pop3 protocol
provides for switching from one user to another without establishing a
new connection. I would tend to prefer the second form (two users under
a single poll entry in .fetchmailrc) just because it's less typing and
easier to read (it's more clear that these two users are on the same
server).

The obvious test would be to install tcpspy and see what actually happens
when fetchmail runs. What I've observed is that a new connection is made
for each user entry.

The main thing that would make a difference if you have fetchmailrc
supporting many users is to run a single system-wide fetchmail daemon
rather than running it from cron jobs.

Craig


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ATTN List Owner: List Digest numbering "stuck"?!

2002-04-10 Thread Soren Andersen
Hello,

Me again, about more "stuck" things...

I've not noted any List traffic in which anyone seemed (going by the
Subject: line of msgs) to be making note of the fact that the Digest
seems to be "stuck" at 'V2002 #127'. There have been something like 30
consecutive Digests mailed out all named identically. The first one was
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Somebody give the ol' juke a good wack, OK? Thanks.

  Soren Andersen


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Re: kernel recompile takes the "work" out of "network"

2002-04-10 Thread Steve Juranich
> I'm pretty sure that I'm using dhclient, that's what gets installed by
> default, right?

The default DHCP client for Debian is 'pump'.  Although I have had several 
recommendations from others to abandon pump in favor of dhclient or dhcpcd.

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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Craig Dickson
begin  Thomas Peri  quotation:

> I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since 
> many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and 
> things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets 
> clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?

If any program assumes 75 dpi, it's ineptly written garbage and you ought
to toss it out.

Mozilla does not assume 75 dpi; I use it with 100 dpi fonts all the time.

If your GTK apps have overly large fonts, you can adjust that in your
GTK theme. If you use GNOME, the GNOME control panel's "Appearance" dialog
allows you to override the GTK theme's font.

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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:11:31AM -0500, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > When I view a man page or run vi or nano from xterm or Konsole and then
> > exit, the screen is restored to the way it was before I started the
> > program.

> I like that too. This is more of a less issue and less of a man issue.

Nicely phrased, but this is _not_ a less issue.  I suspect that it is
an ncurses issue, as this behaviour appeared in woody for all
curses-based programs, not just man/less.  The other program I have
this problem with on a daily basis is mutt.

The other related question, of course:  Why did this change from
potato to woody?  Did the upstream change their default or was it a
decision made by the debian maintainer?  And what was the reasoning
behind it?

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Re: accented characters in linux/Debian?

2002-04-10 Thread Rafael Sasaki
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:02:45AM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote:
> I finally got an answer, and it worked: just set the LANG and LC_ALL
> environment variables to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Portugal, in my case). I
> still don't understand why accented characters work with any other
> application even with LANG set to C, as it was before... And I don't
> really want to change locales anyway, I want my system in English, but I
> can live with a temporary change if that means being able to use OOo.
> 
> This whole thing smells like a font problem...

Hi,
  if you want your system in English but want to be capable of
using accents you can just change the LC_CTYPE to LC_CTYPE=pt_PT,
you dont need to change the LANG and the LC_ALL. Mine is
LC_CTYPE=pt_BR and works fine.

HTH,
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slang wierdness in woody install

2002-04-10 Thread Grant Edwards

I can't believe I'm the first one to see this, but I couldn't
find anything in the bugtracking syste or e-mail archives.

When doing a Woody install from floppies, the borders on the
newt dialog windows are broken.  They're either missing
entirely (most of the installer) or garbage characters that
cause layout errors (module loading sub-system).

I've seen this on two systems so far.

Myabe I've got broken floppies???

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Eterm equivalent? (was Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X)

2002-04-10 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 06:47:10AM -0400, Bill Benedetto wrote:
> Look at the xterm resource "titeInhibit".  Set it to True to stop
> the xterm from resetting after less.
> 
> You can test it like this:
> 
>   xterm -xrm "XTerm*titeInhibit:True"

Cool.  Works great for xterm, but what's the Eterm equivalent?  The
obvious choice of

Eterm -xrm "Eterm*titeInhibit:True"

responds with

Eterm:  Error:  unexpected argument ETerm*titeInhibit:True -- expected option
Eterm:  Error:  Attempting to continue, but strange things may happen.

and then proceeds to give me a window with black-on-black text.
(I've also tried using ETerm*titeInhibit as the resource name and got
identical results.)

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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 09:09, Craig Dickson wrote:
> begin  Thomas Peri  quotation:
> 
> > I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since 
> > many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and 
> > things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets 
> > clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?
> 
> If any program assumes 75 dpi, it's ineptly written garbage and you ought
> to toss it out.

That would include Galeon and practically anything else written with
Glade.  Unfortunately Glade seems hung-up on sizing everything in
pixels, even though GTK+ has nice layout abilities.

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initrd-tools won't update

2002-04-10 Thread mulderij
Hi,

I've been having troubles updating my woody-install. I have
initrd-tools v0.1.19 installed, the latest (that I want to
have installed) is v0.1.22.
For about a month I get:
~ The following packages have been kept back
~ initrd-tools
when I do an 'apt-get upgrade'. I get the same result when I
do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. All other packages upgrade
without any problem.

When I first got the 'error' I wasn't using an
initrd-kernel, but right now I do (2.4.18). There's no
difference as to the problem with the initrd-tools package.

I don't use dselect or aptitude, but the status of
initrd-tools is "install" This is what I get with dpkg:

~box17:~# dpkg --get-selections | grep initrd
~initrd-tools  install

~box17:~# dpkg --status initrd-tools
~Package: initrd-tools
~Status: install ok installed

Does anyone know what's going wrong and what I can do to fix
it?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: VIA AC97 Audio Controller

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Henson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 05:55, Danie Roux wrote:

> Yes, had more trouble in Windows2000 than in Debian myself :)
and better sound quality under Debian than under Win98.  Ive found this
true with my new c-media card as well.


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Re: Stuck: "EXT2-fs warning: ..."

2002-04-10 Thread Steve Juranich
> Sorry about that, I didn't know (and haven't gotten any such
> complaints before). My "mail client" is a Web interface created by my
> e-mail service. I therefore don't have much control over how it sends
> out wrapped text, I think, but let me try this and maybe you'll be so
> kind as to tell me if it works better for you (I ran my text through a
> filter I wrote* after composing it, and then re-pasted it into the
> interface field). This is hardly a situation unique to me (i.e., S_*t
> Happens ... in my case, because of my problems setting up Debian I've
> been stuck on W98 for a long time... and many things are 'just getting
> by' style instead of 'optimal' .. like finding a good IMAP email
> client to use in a nice graphical environment). Also I've found it
> necessary to cope with badly wrapped text to be quoted often before,
> and so I'll post my filter at this msg bottom for anyone to use that
> finds it helpful.

Much better. ;)

> `man' is hosed on my Debian system. When logged in as root and I try
> `man' or `info' I get "execv: permission denied" error. It seems
> there's is so much that can go wrong with Linux...

Oh, just about as many things can go wrong with that other OS as well, you 
just don't have a list full of helpful people when that thing hits the 
crapper. :)

Okay, normally a linux system when it boots will automatically run 'fsck' for 
you when it finds the maximal mount count has been reached.  For some reason, 
you system is not doing this and it would probably be worth the trouble to 
figure out why (unfortunately I can't help you with that).

Here's the short answer to your situation. You're going to need something like
LOAF (linux on a floppy).  Your Debian install disk should work nicely.  Stick
in the disk (make sure you change the bios setting to boot from that drive, if
necessary) and start the machine.  If you're using the Debian install disk,
when you see the intro screen, hit CTRL+ALT+F2.  This will give you a root
shell.  Now, let RPART='Your root linux partition'  (for me, this is /dev/hda2,
yours is probably something similar).  So what you'll do now is say:

# fsck -A $RPART

Any changes that are presented to you (like missing or changed inodes), just 
accept.  Let fsck do whatever needs to be done to repair the fs.
While you're at it, if you have any other ext2 partitions, go ahead and fsck
them as well (don't worry about your swap partition).

After you finish checking/repairing all of your filesystems, probably the 
easiest way out is to (remove the boot disk and) reboot.  You now should be up 
and running.

After that's all said and done, you will probably want to upgrade your fs to 
ext3 (if it's not there already).  First, you'll want to make sure that you 
have a kernel that can read ext3 at boot time (i.e., either uses an initial 
ramdisk image, or has ext3 built in to the kernel).  Next, you'll want to read 
this article at debianplanet: http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=627

Good luck.  Let us know if you need more help.


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Re: kernel recompile takes the "work" out of "network"

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Henson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 12:05, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure that I'm using dhclient, that's what gets installed by
> > default, right?
> 
> The default DHCP client for Debian is 'pump'.  Although I have had several 
> recommendations from others to abandon pump in favor of dhclient or dhcpcd.

you sure about that?  My install of woody came with dhclient and in fact
IIRC the install itself uses dhclient.

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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread John Habermann
Thanks for that Karsten. I just hadn't installed the kdebase-crypto package 
for some reason. Still find that it had some difficulty with some of the 
government department sites that use active server pages. But then I have to 
tell opera to identify itself as MSIE 5.0 in order for it to load those pages 
anyway. Otherwise I get a little message saying error and telling me to close 
the application and try again. Changing the id konqueror gives to the site 
hasn't made any difference. In galeon the first time you load the page you 
get the same error message but then if you just reload the page it will work. 
Have emailed the webmaster for the site so will see what they have to say.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:42, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Apr 09, 2002, John Habermann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:32, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:49:01 +0100
> > >
> > > "Phillip Deackes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Depends whether you do 'real-world' bowsing or not. There is no
> > > > browser in Linux which can correctly display all web sites thrown at
> > > > it. AFAIK Konqueror, for example, can't display secure web pages,
> > >
> > > That's not true. I'm using it for all my https:// browsing, although it
> > > is a little strict on what it thinks is a valid certificate.
> >
> > How have you done that. I just seem to get told that https is not
> > supported when I try to use konqueror (2.2.2 in Debian Unstable) to view
> > https pages.
>
> You need non-US in /etc/apt/sources-list and the kdebase-crypto package
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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Craig Dickson
begin  Jeffrey W. Baker  quotation:

> > If any program assumes 75 dpi, it's ineptly written garbage and you ought
> > to toss it out.
> 
> That would include Galeon and practically anything else written with
> Glade.  Unfortunately Glade seems hung-up on sizing everything in
> pixels, even though GTK+ has nice layout abilities.

Really? My system is set up to prefer 100 dpi fonts over 75 dpi (both
are installed), and I've used Galeon (though not recently), and I've
never observed any problems with its fonts.

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Re: kernel recompile takes the "work" out of "network"

2002-04-10 Thread Steve Juranich
> you sure about that?  My install of woody came with dhclient and in fact
> IIRC the install itself uses dhclient.

I'd bet money on it (not a lot though).  It's true that the install uses
dhclient, but after several debian installs, the only dhcp client that Debian
has ever installed for me has been pump.  I usually pick the 'dumb guy' install
options though (I don't have time to consider each individual package), so that
might have something to do with it.

> "God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters,"
> rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that  if you
> mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."

True dat. God... the OG.

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Re: 100dpi vs 75dpi

2002-04-10 Thread Bill Moseley
At 09:09 AM 4/10/2002 -0700, Craig Dickson wrote:
>begin  Thomas Peri  quotation:
>
>> I seem to be using 100dpi fonts.  This wouldn't bother me, but since 
>> many programs seem to assume 75dpi, lots of elements like buttons and 
>> things (especially in mozilla) are sized too small, and the text gets 
>> clipped.  How can I use 75dpi fonts instead?
>
>If any program assumes 75 dpi, it's ineptly written garbage and you ought
>to toss it out.
>
>Mozilla does not assume 75 dpi; I use it with 100 dpi fonts all the time.

I've never really understood dpi under X.

I start X by specifying 100 dpi.  I'm not sure exactly what that does, but
it makes my fonts a better size.

Here's a dumb question.  What's the purpose of the different dpi fonts?
Does it allow you to use a higher resolution on a smaller screen but not
have tiny fonts?

I have a 19" CRT.  At 1024 resolution I have 72dpi horz.  So I know images
that someone created at 72dpi look about the same on my monitor as they did
when they were created.  On linux I run at 1152 horz so my dpi is more like
81.



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Re: Ok, so what's this MS Exchange crap? (was Re: Not read: ????????:????)

2002-04-10 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  Karsten M. Self quotation:
> 
> Ricochet:  http://vipul.net/ricochet/  Automated spam responder, parses
> headers for ISP, relays, etc.

I don't think reporting all ms-tnef email automatically as spam is a
good idea.

What if it's not spam?

And don't give me the "nobody I want to talk to uses it" argument; what
if Uncle Louie gets email, and tries to send you a message, cluelessly
using Lookout improperly?  Is it valid to report him as a spammer?

Bouncing it back to him, that's fine; in fact I added the filter because
of my own Uncle (Larry, not Louie) who on occasion slips up and sends me
something in that format.  But auto-reporting as spam, when it isn't?
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Re: alternative web browser to netscape

2002-04-10 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  Phillip Deackes quotation:



Wrap your text.


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Re: No screen lock in Gnome

2002-04-10 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  Jeroen Valcke quotation:
> 
> Oke, this is a detail. But is it possible to add the lock button to the
> Gnome desktop menu?

Yes; using the method I replied with yesterday.


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Re: How to *not* restore screen after viewing man pages in X

2002-04-10 Thread Bill Benedetto
  Bill> You did log out and back in after updating your .Xdefaults,
  Bill> right?

  Matijs> Yes, I did. Didn't work.

  Glyn> or just do
  Glyn> 
  Glyn> xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults

  Matijs> Haven't tried that yet. Ok, that makes
  Matijs>
  Matijs> xrdb -query
  Matijs>
  Matijs> actually return what's in my .Xdefaults.
  Matijs>
  Matijs> Shouldn't this happen automatically when I login to X?

Yes, it should happen automagically.

However, I am not sure if all X (gnome, kde, enlightenment,
whatever) uses ~/.Xdefaults .

Does anyone *KNOW* if all X uses ~/.Xdefaults ??  Is there
somewhere else that Matijs should be trying to put his resources?

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