vi won't work with any TERM setting

[r.l.]

hello

Problem is that no matter what TERM setting I use, and I've tried everyone
listed in terminfo, I cannot get vi to operate correctly. The closest TERM
value is 'sun' which will use the full screen idea ok but neither the
cursor keys nor h/j/k/l will move about the page. Other TERMs produce
rather worse responses. 

I've also tried stty sane and looked at individual stty options, to no avail.

I am connecting to 'potato' via telnet from a solaris box which I interact
with via an OpenWindows xterm. I have also tried a vanilla telnet app. and
get the same results. 

I am new to debian, having arrived here from Solaris via (a brief stop at)
redhat. Not being able to edit files is a bit of a handicap at this early
stage.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks

Rolf.

RE: vi won't work with any TERM setting

[Andrew McRobert]

... when you log into the potato box, what's the value of the TERM
environment value (get this by typing "env").

tks
Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: r.l. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:09 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: vi won't work with any TERM setting


hello

Problem is that no matter what TERM setting I use, and I've tried everyone
listed in terminfo, I cannot get vi to operate correctly. The closest TERM
value is 'sun' which will use the full screen idea ok but neither the
cursor keys nor h/j/k/l will move about the page. Other TERMs produce
rather worse responses.

I've also tried stty sane and looked at individual stty options, to no
avail.

I am connecting to 'potato' via telnet from a solaris box which I interact
with via an OpenWindows xterm. I have also tried a vanilla telnet app. and
get the same results.

I am new to debian, having arrived here from Solaris via (a brief stop at)
redhat. Not being able to edit files is a bit of a handicap at this early
stage.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks

Rolf.


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crontab

[Jacob Stowell]

hi,

I am still a relatively new user of debian, but i was wondering if
someone may be able to help me out setting my crontab. basically, i want
to set cron to check and update (if necessary) my dyndns account daily. 
i read many pages about how to set the crontab, which seems pretty
straight forward, but i seem to be missing something.  this is what i
have done so far:

crontab -e

#test to make sure the dns is current
30 6 * * * /usr/local/bin/addns-0.73c.pl >> /home/jake/addns.txt

initially i set it with a wild card in each of the fields, just until i
got it working, but no luck.  if anyone has any suggestions, they would
be greatly appreciated.  or, if there is a better way to check and
automatically update my dyndns account, that information would be even
more helpful.  thanks in advance.

jake

Re: Modeline for ADI Multiscan E75

[kmself]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:39:27PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was going to suggest the same.  I've got a cheap-ass KVM -- it's ok
for console mode but *really* doesn't cut the mustard with X, crap
bleeds all over the place.  I'm not sure about what the specifics of
cables are, but I know my Sony 17" Trinitron has a bit of circuitry,
probably to reduce echo or similar.

> Shadowing.. Sounds like a cable problem actually. I get the efect on my
> system because I'm running it through a KVM switch. One of the systems I
> use where I work is also run through a switchbox and displays the same
> kind of problem. Perhaps you could try using a shorter cable (if the cable
> can detatch from the monitor) or add one or two of those ferrite beads
> around the cable. Might or might not work.
> 
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 02:51:41PM +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:
> > > hi
> > > 
> > > Does anyone have a good Modeline for this monitor? I can get X running @
> > > 1024x768 with 16bpp, but there's a bit of shadowing around eterm windows
> > > etc 
> > 
> > Have you fiddled with xvidtune?
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: 128-bit netscape

[Rogerio Brito]

On Aug 13 2000, Michael Soulier wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Christian Pernegger wrote:
> > There is, in a way. You need to add the non-us archive section and install
> > fortify which enables 128bit encryption in Netscape.
> 
>   Just tried that.
(...)
>   Anyway, what should I be running this on? Apparently I've got
> the wrong binary.

The problem is that fortify explicitly doesn't support version
4.73. So, your best bet is to download a strong-encryption
binary from Netscape's site and replace Debian's binary with
the binary from Netscape (that is, if you don't want to mess
with your lovely packaging scheme).


[]s, Roger...

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Re: Port No. 1032 - iad3

[Eric G . Miller]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:36:55PM +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:
> hi all
> 
> Does anyone know what port 1032 is used for on a Windows machine (or
> any machine for that matter)? Running a port scan on my computer shows
> this port open and labelled as supporting "iad3"??

$ grep 1032 /etc/services

Shows nothing.  No idea about Windows...

Re: cd burner

[Nate Duehr]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 11:07:51PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:22:54 MDT, Nate Duehr writes:
> >The Yamaha at work burns at 8X while copying directly from the other 20X
> >CD-ROM on the same IDE chain without running the buffer empty or even
> >close to empty.  Machine has 64MB RAM and a PIII-450.
> 
> While this is ok, slower machines may run into problems. My trusty P90 
> here at home wouldn´t go faster than 1x with an IDE burner, while I can 
> do 8x without problems now that I invested in an SCSI-burner (a TEAC 
> CDR-58S). With the added feature that I can now copy CDs from the 2nd 
> IDE-channel to SCSI while happily ripping&encoding on the first (yes, I 
> have 2 CD-roms and a burner) and work, all at the same time.
> 
> Just my 2 (euro-) cents,
> &rw

Worth more than 2, I'd say.  Good point.  I'm spoiled on nice hardware
right now...

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RE: vi won't work with any TERM setting

[Andrew McRobert]

try this to set the TERM variable (this is for bash, similar syntax in
others shells - check sys admin guide for details):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sh   // change to bash shell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TERM=vt100   // set TERM to generic 
vt100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> export TERM  // export as env. 
variable

then try 'telnettting' ...

tks
Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: r.l. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:24 PM
To: Andrew McRobert
Subject: RE: vi won't work with any TERM setting


>... when you log into the potato box, what's the value of the TERM
>environment value (get this by typing "env").

TERM=unknown
Which is rather odd. vi will then complain as 'unknown' is not - obviously
- in terminfo.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

Rolf.


>-Original Message-
>From: r.l. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:09 PM
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: vi won't work with any TERM setting
>
>
>hello
>
>Problem is that no matter what TERM setting I use, and I've tried everyone
>listed in terminfo, I cannot get vi to operate correctly. The closest TERM
>value is 'sun' which will use the full screen idea ok but neither the
>cursor keys nor h/j/k/l will move about the page. Other TERMs produce
>rather worse responses.
>
>I've also tried stty sane and looked at individual stty options, to no
>avail.
>
>I am connecting to 'potato' via telnet from a solaris box which I interact
>with via an OpenWindows xterm. I have also tried a vanilla telnet app. and
>get the same results.
>
>I am new to debian, having arrived here from Solaris via (a brief stop at)
>redhat. Not being able to edit files is a bit of a handicap at this early
>stage.
>
>Any help much appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Rolf.
>
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Re: Mailbox Formates (was: Expiring mail)

[Nate Duehr]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 07:02:52PM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> On Aug 13 2000, Nate Duehr wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, anyone ever seen any good documentation on
> > the advantages/disadvantages (even if it's biased, since we're *ALL*
> > biased...) of the different mailbox formats?
> 
>   You can see something in this direction in the following
>   homepage: http://cr.yp.to/maildir.html
> 
>   The closest to a comparison that I have seen are the man pages
>   provided with qmail, maildir(5) and mbox(5).
> 
>   In essence: Maildir is, with a very small cost of performance
>   (depending on your setup), the safest choice, with the added
>   bonus of being extremely flexible (since all the messages are
>   stored in individual files), so that messages can be
>   manipulated by scripts (and, thus, do the expiring that the
>   original poster wanted).
> 
>   As far as I know, Maildir was invented by Dan J. Bernstein,
>   http://cr.yp.to/djb.html.

Thanks, I'll take a look.

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RE: Port No. 1032 - iad3

[Andrew McRobert]

rl alerted me to this mail thread on that port (yep, I noticed it's not in
/etc/services):

http://www.securityportal.com/list-archive/firewalls/1999/Feb/0303.html

tks
Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: Eric G . Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Debian-Users (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Port No. 1032 - iad3


On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:36:55PM +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:
> hi all
>
> Does anyone know what port 1032 is used for on a Windows machine (or
> any machine for that matter)? Running a port scan on my computer shows
> this port open and labelled as supporting "iad3"??

$ grep 1032 /etc/services

Shows nothing.  No idea about Windows...


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RE: Port No. 1032 - iad3

[Andrew McRobert]

... it's listed as supporting "BBN IAD" on this list:

http://members.toast.net/kmfahey/ports.html

A

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-Original Message-
From: Eric G . Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Debian-Users (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Port No. 1032 - iad3


On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:36:55PM +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:
> hi all
>
> Does anyone know what port 1032 is used for on a Windows machine (or
> any machine for that matter)? Running a port scan on my computer shows
> this port open and labelled as supporting "iad3"??

$ grep 1032 /etc/services

Shows nothing.  No idea about Windows...


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Re: lpr|lprng & apsfilter & deskjet 400 ... Solved!

[s. keeling]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 12:35:51AM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> This used to work.  I became annoyed that the listing header was
> printed as "Printed by from" instead of "Printed by $USER from
> $HOSTNAME".  Discussing it on apsfilter.org, the solution appeared to
> be replace lpr with lprNG.  lpr + apsfilter + a2ps was failing on
> perms in parsing the lpd lock file.
> 
> After replacing lpr with lprNG, I get banner only; no listing.  The
> listing header still reads "Printed by from", and the listing date has
> reverted to "Dec 31 1969 17:00".  Yoiks!

Solved.  Remove apsfilter and lprng, re-install lpr (not lprng) and
apsfilter.  Header is correctly filled in, with the correct date.

Yeesh.


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RE: install of slink

[Kenrick, Chris]

Slink doesn't support installing the base system via http. (but
once base is installed you can use apt-get/dselect to install
packages via http)


You can however make about 10 floppies (rescue + drivers + 7 * base disks 
IIRC)

There are other ways, but that depends on what sort of other machines on
your network that you have access to.  You could NFS mount the base system
files off another Unix based machine.  I've even seen a web page where
someone installed base using a laplink cable and PLIP.

Potato may be able to be installed using less floppies, and is almost
at the point of being labelled 'stable' .. Any particular reasons for
choosing Slink over Potato?

- Chris Kenrick

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From: Mark Bathie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: install of slink


I want to install slink/stable on a new machine initially via floppies, then
off a network (http).
For some reason (unlike previously) when I go to install the base system, i
t does not give me the "network install" option. All the others
are there i.e. "cdrom, NFS, mounted partition, etc".

I am using the rescue1440.bin file to initially boot the machine from
floppy.

Any ideas as to why this option does not show ?

cheers,

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Re: still unable to get kernel source - solved

[Thomas J. Hamman]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 11:55:28PM -0500, John Reinke wrote:
> My problem: I could never decompress any kernel source file I
> downloaded without it aborting with errors.
> 
> My solution: I uninstalled the bzip2 package and then reinstalled it.
> That fixed the problem, so I'm on to xconfig, which seems to work now...
 
Hi John,

After reading your previous mail I was going to suggest that maybe you
have a corrupted bzip2, or corrupted RAM.  I'm glad it's not the RAM!

To answer your question about the gzipped files in /usr/share/doc
directories, I assume they are gzipped to save disk space.  There are
some file managers, like mc, that let you look at gzipped text files
without gunzipping them first.

Tom

Re: Installing Debian on 486

[s. keeling]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:18:11PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 07:50:33PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 03:12:13PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 12:52:27AM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> 
> > Agreed wrt the amount of RAM he has installed.  However, my AMD
> > 486DX4-100 with SCSI and 96 Mb RAM and a four Mb Matrox is a very
> > snappy machine.  I get better performance on it than I did recently
> > with a Sun Ultra 1.
> > 
> > SCSI will leave you with more cpu cycles.  RAM tends to help more than
> > upgrading to a faster processor would.
> 
> What's a typical process load?  Programs/top output?

It's a desktop X Window workstation, not a server.


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Re: A possible problem with x-terminal-emulator?

[Shaul Karl]

> On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 08:18:25PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > A few days ago I reported here that I have a problem with text apps
> > (top, mc, pstree and such) that are being launched in X using the menu
> > system (that is, with something like apps->System->Top). To be more
> > specific, it appeared that the X terminal that these apps are using
> > does not read the xterm* resources I have in ~/.Xresources. I also
> > claimed that this problem is new.  Can it be that this problem is due
> > to the use of x-terminal-emulator? Am I right that the
> > x-terminal-emulator thing is rather new?  -- 
> 
> Shouldn't matter,
> 
> /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/X11/xterm
> 
> Unless it points to something other than /usr/bin/X11/xterm.  Are you
> using xsm to manage X sessions?  That's the only place I've noticed
> where global Xresources aren't sourced -- and only when used with GDM
> where the Xsession option is chosen (rather than GNOME or Debian).
> However, $HOME/.Xresources *is* still loaded.
> 


I am using xdm and do not use xsm (unless xsm is called behind the scene).
 

> Maybe check ~/.xsession-errors.  Could be a syntax error in your
> ~/.Xresources.  Also, make sure there is *no* space after:
> 
> XTerm*Font: 10x20
> 
> I've noticed that spaces following a resource setting are sometimes
> grokked as part of the name -- and then it's not found!  One might think
> that was a bug with xrdb.  It should trim leading/trailing spaces.
> 


My ~/.Xresources are probably correct since XShells->Xterm is working as it 
was before.
And it is not only the fonts I am talking about when running those text apps 
within X using the menu system: it is the missing scrolbar and the fact that 
the icon is not tux.
~/.xsession-errors does not show anything unusual:

[09:10:13 /tmp]$ cat ~/.xsession-errors 
[FVWM][Read]: <> file '.fvwm2rc' not found in $HOME or /etc/X11/fvwm
[FVWM][Read]:  trying to read system rc file
[09:10:25 /tmp]$ 



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Location of eth0 files

[cxpx]

I originally installed debian w/ dhcp.  I am now going through a firewall.  I
can't seem to find the files that contain the correct information so I can
modify them to use the new information.  Right now I have to type 'ifconfig
eth0 down' then bring it up with the correct information.  

When I modify the info using linuxconf it doesn't keep the changes.  How do I
go about changing this info permanently?

RE: xfs+xfstt or xfs-xtt

[Konstantinos E Maras]

I ve done this change a few weeks ago.
Both worked fine for me.
I believe that (xfs + xfstt) use less memory than xfs-xtt,
right now on my system RSS of xfs-xtt is ~3.5K
but this seems to depend on configuration 
and usage (how many TTF requests from your apps)
Main advantages for me:
- I can use font aliases now for the TTFs
 (i need that to properly display greek sites in Netscape)
- A little better rendering
 (maybe just my imagination, dont count on this)
Difficulties:
Not many,
although documentation of xfs-xtt seems a little scary at first glance.
I just wrote a "fonts.dir" by hand with entries like:

arial.ttf -ttf-arial-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1

I made also a relevant "fonts.alias"
put them together with all TTFs in a directory
Then add the directory name in xfs catalogue
(/etc/X11/xfs/config)
and restart xfs.
I still dont fully understand the dpi-relevant options of the story
currently i have to add a -dpi 100 in my startx command
to see TTFs a little bigger on my screen.

mit freundlichen Grussen :))
from Athens-Greece

On 13-Aug-2000 Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am currently running xfs + xfstt on Potato with xserver-i128. Would
> you recommend to change to xfs-xtt? Does it uses less memory? What
> advantages are there?  Are there problems changing the Font Server?
> 
> TIA
> juh
> 
> 
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Re: Port No. 1032 - iad3

[Robert Waldner]

>On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:36:55PM +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:
>> Does anyone know what port 1032 is used for on a Windows machine (or
>> any machine for that matter)? Running a port scan on my computer shows
>> this port open and labelled as supporting "iad3"??


Port   Type   Description
1032   udpBBN IAD 
1032   tcpBBN IAD 
1032   tcpNT INETINFO.EXE CPU Exploit 

The port search on http://www.snort.org turns out the above.

hth,
&rw

LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Andrew McRobert]

hi

I've just compiled a 2.2.12 kernel on a test machine here, and when I try to
update LILO to boot the new kernel image I get the following message:

"Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big"

The new kernel is bigger than I expected it to be, ls -l lists it as 1.8MB
(the old kernel is about 500K). Anyone have any ideas how to solve this?

thanks
Andrew

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Protecting single files via .htaccess ?

[Oliver Schoenknecht]

Hello everyone,

I want to protect single files from accessing them from outside. I am
aware that .htaccess does quite well in protecting directories but can
I protect single files as well, for example the "passes.php3" ?

Any help is appreciated very well !

Thanks in advance !

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Re: Installing Debian on 486

[Suresh Kumar.R]

Hi,

If your 486 has a ethernet card, you can put cdrom in another machine and
using 2 floppies you can put debian in it. I have done it with slink on a
486 with less than 100mb harddisk

Best of luck

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Daniel Stehm wrote:

> Hey guys, having a problem here. I have a 486, 12 megs of RAM, 480 megs on
> hard-drive, floppy (3 1/2), and a (gasp) 5 1/2 drive. I want to get ANY
> linux distro on it that I can, (wishing for debian) I dont care too much
> about packages, I just want some form of linux on here. I really dont want
> to take CD-Rom out of this and hook it up to the 486's motherboard, etc;
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RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia]

Hi..
  Did you make a 'make zImage' or a 'make bzImage'?

 With make bzImage you will get a compressed kernel.

Bye.

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Analista Programador

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RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Andrew McRobert]

bzImage :)

Andrew


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From: Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:54 PM
To: 'Andrew McRobert'; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big


Hi..
  Did you make a 'make zImage' or a 'make bzImage'?

 With make bzImage you will get a compressed kernel.

Bye.

*
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Analista Programador

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Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Mike Werner]

Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia wrote:
> Hi..
>   Did you make a 'make zImage' or a 'make bzImage'?
> 
>  With make bzImage you will get a compressed kernel.

Actually, it gets compressed with either of those two methods.  I'm guessing
that he copied the wrong file from ... wherever it is that the files come
from.  I always use bzlilo ... can't remember where the various files get
dropped.

Thing is, there's a pre-compression file that gets left somewhere, and then
there's the post-compression file.  My guess is that it was the
pre-compression file that he copied.

Ah, there it is.  According to the Kernel-HOWTO ...

  7.11.  `Not a compressed kernel Image file''

  Don't use the vmlinux file created in /usr/src/linux as your boot
  image; [..]/arch/i386/boot/bzImage is the right one.

I'd guess it was the vmlinux file that he grabbed.
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RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[Andrew McRobert]

hi again

I just ran bzImage again, and the last few lines of output show this error:

"make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
as86 -0 -a -o bbootsect.o bbootsect.s
make[1]: as86: Command not found
make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
make: *** [bzImage] Error 2"

I'm guessing that the second line there is the problem, and that the rest of
the problems flow from there. Does anyone know what would cause this error?

thanks
Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: Mike Werner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:23 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big


Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia wrote:
> Hi..
>   Did you make a 'make zImage' or a 'make bzImage'?
>
>  With make bzImage you will get a compressed kernel.

Actually, it gets compressed with either of those two methods.  I'm guessing
that he copied the wrong file from ... wherever it is that the files come
from.  I always use bzlilo ... can't remember where the various files get
dropped.

Thing is, there's a pre-compression file that gets left somewhere, and then
there's the post-compression file.  My guess is that it was the
pre-compression file that he copied.

Ah, there it is.  According to the Kernel-HOWTO ...

  7.11.  `Not a compressed kernel Image file''

  Don't use the vmlinux file created in /usr/src/linux as your boot
  image; [..]/arch/i386/boot/bzImage is the right one.

I'd guess it was the vmlinux file that he grabbed.
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Fixing Monitors Frequency

[Kai Weber]

Hi,

is it possible to start X with a fixed monitor frequency? My monitor is
able to do more than 100Hz but then the display is not as good as with
85Hz.

Where can I say: use alway 85Hz for my modes?

Kai.
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Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[Mike Werner]

Andrew McRobert wrote:
> hi again
> 
> I just ran bzImage again, and the last few lines of output show this error:
> 
> "make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
> as86 -0 -a -o bbootsect.o bbootsect.s
> make[1]: as86: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
> make: *** [bzImage] Error 2"
> 
> I'm guessing that the second line there is the problem, and that the rest of
> the problems flow from there. Does anyone know what would cause this error?

This is another common one to run into.  The package you need to install is
the bin86 package.  as86 is the assembler used on the x86 platform.  It's
not a required package, as not everyone uses the kernel on an x86 machine.
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Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Pontus Lidman]

"Andrew McRobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> hi
> 
> I've just compiled a 2.2.12 kernel on a test machine here, and when I try to
> update LILO to boot the new kernel image I get the following message:
> 
> "Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big"
> 
> The new kernel is bigger than I expected it to be, ls -l lists it as 1.8MB
> (the old kernel is about 500K). Anyone have any ideas how to solve this?

Yes. Two things.

1) Try to compile as much as possible of the kernel as modules.

2) use 'make bzImage' instead of 'make zImage' to make a bz compressed
image. The bz compression makes it smaller. I don't remember if lilo
can actually load larger bz images than z images, but I've never had a
bz image that was too large.

Regards,

Pontus

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SOLVED: RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[Andrew McRobert]

thanks to Mike. I've installed the bin86 package, run 'make bzImage' & lilo
again and set the system up to boot. Is the bin86 package only needed for
compressing the kernel image, or is it needed to "make dep", "make modules"
etc?

thanks
Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: Mike Werner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:40 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error


Andrew McRobert wrote:
> hi again
>
> I just ran bzImage again, and the last few lines of output show this
error:
>
> "make[1]: Entering directory
'/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
> as86 -0 -a -o bbootsect.o bbootsect.s
> make[1]: as86: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot"
> make: *** [bzImage] Error 2"
>
> I'm guessing that the second line there is the problem, and that the rest
of
> the problems flow from there. Does anyone know what would cause this
error?

This is another common one to run into.  The package you need to install is
the bin86 package.  as86 is the assembler used on the x86 platform.  It's
not a required package, as not everyone uses the kernel on an x86 machine.
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Re: crontab

[Armin Joellenbeck]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:25:13AM -0400, Jacob Stowell wrote:
> 
> i read many pages about how to set the crontab, which seems pretty
> straight forward, but i seem to be missing something.  this is what i
> have done so far:
> 
> crontab -e
> 
> #test to make sure the dns is current
> 30 6 * * * /usr/local/bin/addns-0.73c.pl >> /home/jake/addns.txt
> 

Hi,

I can't see if you stripped empty lines of the above output.
But give a try to the following from crontab(5) manpage:

   Note that if the line does
   not have a trailing newline  character,  the  entire  line
   will  be  silently  ignored  by both crontab and cron; the
   command will never be executed.


Armin

Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[Mike Werner]

Pontus Lidman wrote:

> 2) use 'make bzImage' instead of 'make zImage' to make a bz compressed
> image. The bz compression makes it smaller.

The b does not stand for bz compression.  It stands for big zimage.  A quote
from the kernel docs (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/kbuild/commands.txt as
came with kernel 2.2.16) :

Note: the difference between 'zImage' files and 'bzImage' files is that
'bzImage' uses a different layout and a different loading algorithm,
and thus has a larger capacity.  Both files use gzip compression.
The 'bz' in 'bzImage' stands for 'big zImage', not for 'bzip'!

> I don't remember if lilo can actually load larger bz images than z images,
> but I've never had a bz image that was too large.

As it says above, yes.  The bzimage allows for a larger kernel image.
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RE: crontab

[Andrew McRobert]

... it's also worth noting that there's two competing cron systems under
Debian ... the normal one (invoked through crontab command etc.) and the
/etc/crontab file ... and they actually work independently of each other.
For example, I run a bunch of backup scripts etc from /etc/crontab, and just
run a backup tape reminder through something like:

crontab remindme.txt

Andrew

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-Original Message-
From: Armin Joellenbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:54 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: crontab


On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:25:13AM -0400, Jacob Stowell wrote:
>
> i read many pages about how to set the crontab, which seems pretty
> straight forward, but i seem to be missing something.  this is what i
> have done so far:
>
> crontab -e
>
> #test to make sure the dns is current
> 30 6 * * * /usr/local/bin/addns-0.73c.pl >> /home/jake/addns.txt
>

Hi,

I can't see if you stripped empty lines of the above output.
But give a try to the following from crontab(5) manpage:

   Note that if the line does
   not have a trailing newline  character,  the  entire  line
   will  be  silently  ignored  by both crontab and cron; the
   command will never be executed.


Armin








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Re: SOLVED: RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[Mike Werner]

Andrew McRobert wrote:
> thanks to Mike. I've installed the bin86 package, run 'make bzImage' & lilo
> again and set the system up to boot. Is the bin86 package only needed for
> compressing the kernel image, or is it needed to "make dep", "make modules"
> etc?

For the most part, the bin86 package is needed to compile almost any package
that comes as C source code.  So, yes you will need it to compile the
modules.  The 'make dep' step does no compilation - it basically just goes
through the code and figures out dependancies.

For more detail than most folks would want, check the file

/Documentation/kbuild/commands.txt

In that file is a rather complete looking explanation of just what it is
that goes on when you issue the various make commands for the kernel source.
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fyi: Linux Office Suite Consortium - NY Times

[Andrew McRobert]

fyi guys

from:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/yr/08/biztech/articles/14linux.html

"SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 13 -- A group of key Linux software developers and
major computer manufacturers are planning to announce on Tuesday at a
Silicon Valley computer conference the first effort to compete directly with
Microsoft's Office suite of applications for the personal computer.

On Tuesday, a group of Linux organizations will announce the creation of the
Gnome Foundation, which will have the support of I.B.M., Compaq,
Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems and several other major computer vendors.

The foundation plans to announce a set of initiatives, including a unified
desktop user interface and a set of productivity programs intended to
compete as a free alternative to Microsoft Office."

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Re: fetchmail configuration

[Damon Muller]

Quoth S.Salman Ahmed, 

> "fetchmail -v -d0" produces too much output to be useful. I guess I'll
> look into procmail.

If you are running X, and are using an MTA on your system to do local
deliveries (ie., using fetchmail to pass the mail off to port 25 on the
local machine), then you could probably use either an xconsole (or I
prefer a transpranet Eterm tailing /var/log/syslog). On my setup, using
qmail as the local MTA, the address of the incoming mail is listed in
the logs, so it'll appear on your little xterminal. 

With my particular setup, I run it through a log colouriser before it
goes to the transparent Eterm, so all email addresses (ie. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
are
displayed in a different colour. Then you just have to keep your eye out
for the scolling colours whizing past.

cheers,

damon

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Re: Location of eth0 files

[Ron Rademaker]

In Slink (2.1) you can find what you're looking for in
/etc/init.d/network, in Potato (2.2) and Woody (2.3) you can find it in
/etc/network/interfaces.

Ron Rademaker

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, cxpx wrote:

> I originally installed debian w/ dhcp.I am now going through a 
> firewall.  I
> can't seem to find the files that contain the correct information so I can
> modify them to use the new information.  Right now I have to type 'ifconfig
> eth0 down' then bring it up with the correct information.  
> 
> When I modify the info using linuxconf it doesn't keep the changes.  How do I
> go about changing this info permanently?
> 
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Re: Fixing Monitors Frequency

[Ron Rademaker]

It'll probably work if you remove all the frequently lines from
/etc/X11/XF86Config you don't wish to use...

Ron Rademaker

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Kai Weber wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> is it possible to start X with a fixed monitor frequency? My monitor is
> able to do more than 100Hz but then the display is not as good as with
> 85Hz.
> 
> Where can I say: use alway 85Hz for my modes?
> 
> Kai.
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max file sizes and filesystems

[Anders Lennartsson]

Hi

How big can a single file be in the filesystems FAT32, ext2, and NTFS?

My question comes from an idea to create one or more files and mount
them as loopbackdevices after formatting them.
This is a standard operation and there are some FAQs describing the
procedure on the LDP web pages for example.
If I have a big enough windoze partition perhaps can I have parts of a
Debian mirror (in one or more files) on that partition (and bring home
with my laptop for installing/updating my desktop machine).


Anders

Re: gnus in GNU Emacs 20 in Potato does not start

[Felix Natter]

Jan Ulrich Hasecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hallo Debs!
> 
> Because xemacs is a little bit big, I want to use GNU Emacs instead.
> 
> Two days ago I dist-upgraded to potato with no problems, so I now run
> emacs 20.7.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu, X toolkit) and gnus v5.8.3
> 
> Starting guns I get to following errormessage:
> 
> Symbol's value as variable is void: message-included-forward-headers
> 
> I found the string in four files:
> 
> /usr/share/emacs/20.7/lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.elc.
> 
> /usr/share/emacs/20.7/lisp/gnus/message.elc.
> 
> /usr/share/emacs/20.7/site-lisp/tm/message-mime.elc.
> 
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tm/message-mime.el
> 
> What can I do now?

The Gnus that comes with Emacs 20.7 is older, so you can either delete
the old one (5.7 ?), or put 5.8.x ahead in load-path.
(If you just did "make install" without deleting the old version
beforehand, that might be the problem).

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Re: JDK1.2 debianised?

[Felix Natter]

"J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> not likely. It would require special licensing by Sun.

there are (at least) two complete jdk's for linux:
the (original) blackdown-version: http://www.blackdown.org,
sun's: http://java.sun.com
(both are ports of sun's open-sourced solaris-version, but blackdown
maintains ports to hardware other than x86)
and I think IBM is creating one, too.

Additionally, there is kaffe and some other GPL'd but not yet complete
VM's.

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Re: motherboards

[Felix Natter]

Goeman Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Now, I am only running Windows98 on it (at home). I haven't come to 
> the point of installing Linux on the PC. I have not even decided which
> Linux distro I should take. At work I am running Debian (potato) and
> I am getting to like it a lot ...
> 
> My question is, can I install Debian on this machine? I also have an

there are floppy-linux versions (i.e. toms/rb: http://www.toms.net/rb/).
They are quite old, but maybe they can be used to see if your mainboard
works with linux.

As an alternative, try http://www.linuxhardware.net

> Ati Rage Fury Pro graphics card; so can expect problems with X?

ATI actively supports Xfree86-development by publishing the specifications
(and developing drivers, I believe). So you can count on good drivers
(especially 3d-accelerated) for your card.
I know ATI Rage is supported, but I think ..Pro might not yet be.
(make sure you get at least xfree86 3.3.6 or 4.0.1)
Check the newsgroup comp.os.linux.x: there are many postings concerning this.
Try looking on the ATI homepage or in the Xfree86 4.x-documentation on
http://www.xfree86.org.

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Re: g++

[Felix Natter]

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I upgraded my machine to potato but in compiling a c++
> program which before used to work with
> 
> g++ -lg++ filename.cc,
> 
> now I need
> 
> g++ -I/usr/include/g++-2/ -lg++ filename.cc

-lg++ links libg++, which are auxiliary, non-standard
convenience-classes that are no longer maintained.
What you want is libstdc++, and you don't need to specify this explicitly
when linking with g++ (as opposed to ld).
 
> two questions:
> 
> 1) WHy do I need the -I now and

-I/usr/include/g++-2/ might simply include the libstdc++-headers ?
but these should really be included by default.
(are you using gcc 2.95.2 ?)

for example, on my system using libstdc++-v3 (the latest version under
development):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ > ls /include/g++-v3/
algorithmcfloat   cstddefext istream   ostreamstrstream
atomicity.h  ciso646  cstdio fstream iterator  queue  typeinfo
backward climits  cstdlibfstream.h   limitssetutility
bits clocale  cstringfunctional  list  shadow valarray
bitset   cmathctime  iomanip localesstreamvector
bu   complex  cwchar ios map   stack
cassert  csetjmp  cwctypeiosfwd  memorystdexcept
cctype   csignal  deque  iostreamnew   streambuf
cerrno   cstdarg  exception  iostream.h  numeric   string

(the ones for gcc 2.95.2 will look a little differently)
 
> 2) The second command doesnt work. It complains
> 
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lg++
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> 
> though all the libraraies are in /usr/lib. Any ideas?

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Re: kde or gnome?

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, John Griffiths wrote:

> LET THE FLAME WARS COMMENCE
> 

This list has pretty much gotten over flaming about GNOME/KDE.  We prefer
to flame about licensing and social-contract wording here.  8^)

> if you hae the QT and GTK libns in place then u can run apps from
> either.. even in other window managers...

This is a good point to keep in mind.  YOu don't need to run *either*
GNOME *or* KDE.  You can mix things.  They're both pretty good in terms of
functionality and performance, from my experience.  So if you like the
looks of GNOME then use the GNOME apps, and if you find something missing
from it, see if there's a KDE version.  They'll co-exist perfectly
happily.

> also qt licensing remains an issue
> 

Qt licensing is not an issue.  Qt is 100% free software, compliant with
the Debian free software guidelines and RMS approved.  I believe there are
still issues concerning *compatibility* between the Qt license and the GPL
(in terms of linking GPL code to Qt libraries) or something like
that.  But I don't have a reference.  The issue is still there, but to a
much lesser extent than it once was.

noah

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Re: Protecting single files via .htaccess ?

[jbardin]

as this is the debian mailing list ad not theapache list you might have
better luck reading throught the extensive online documentation for
apahce and othere apache related user groups and forums. but to answer
your question look at this:
http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#location i beleive you can
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http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#files

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Re: gnome-terminal

[Ed Cogburn]

Michael Soulier wrote:
> 
> One of the reasons why I overall prefer xterm is because it
> conforms to X protocols. To my knowledge, gnome apps don't do this. The
> gnome-terminal has its own menu built-in for configuration. I'm not sure
> if you can rebind keys with it though.


To be honest, that GTK menu along the top allowing for configuration
of various parameters is the main reason why I like it.  Unlike with
ls, you can change the colors real easy using that GTK color picker
dialog.  Unfortunately, until it gets the ability to read and use X
resources, or implements the equivalent (preferred), I'm going to have
to stick with xterm.


> Maybe you should try a gnome mailing list?


Hmmm, I'll check their website.

recompiling gcc & g++

[Jan Pfeifer]

hi,

gcc & g++ are the programs I use most, and often I'm waiting for them
to compile a big project I'm currently working on. 

is it worth to recompile them using more "agressive" optimizations
options (-O3, -funroll-loops, and -march=pentiumpro) ? 

anyway, I tried it, using apt-get to get the sources. Gcc, g++, gnu
objective C and java compilers share the same source. I changed the
compilation options in the "debian/rule" file (acutally "debian/rule2")
and let it run. But during compilation it stopped while compiling
objective c, complaining that some file was missing ("gc.h") ... Does
anybody has any experience with this ? Should I write the mantainer of
the package ? 

I'd be gratefull for any help or pointers on this.

cheers,

jan

Invisible pointer under X

[Robert Norris]

Hi all,

I'm having a problem with a new machine I'm setting up. I've set up
XFree, and for some reason, the mouse pointer doesn't appear. I know
its working because I can click on stuff, select, do all the normal
mouse things, but I just can't see the pointer.

Has anyone had any experience with this? X version is 3.3.6, mouse is
a PS/2 (kernel version 2.2.16).

Regards,
Rob.


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Stor Office 5.2

[Michael Meskes]

Does anyone have it running? I'm having problems getting to delete email
from my IMAP server. But then maybe there's a FAQ out there.

Michael

P.S.: To those who read my mail about OpenMail last week, yes, I intend to
compare all server based groupware or personal information management
systems available. So far I found three. OpenMail, StarOffice and
Worlpilot. Any idea if there are more?

P.P.S: Please CC me on replies.
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non xfree-related question about installing xfree4

[Richard P. Groenewegen]

Hi,

I was thinking about installing xfree4.0.1 on my debian system, but
then I started worrying about how it would interfere with the debian
package management.

For instance, say I just install XF4, overwriting all the older stuff
that debian has put there.  What will happen when debian thinks it
should `upgrade' to a newer version?  Will it overwrite my files?  Or
what if I would deselect xfree-common?  Will I have problems with
depencies?  (Yes, probably!)  

So, what's the right way to persue this?  As I said in the subject, I
don't think this is xfree-related, it's just about installing a newer
version of some debian package for which debian has lots of
dependencies.  (And making them live in harmony.)

regards,
Richard

Re: non xfree-related question about installing xfree4

[Ron Rademaker]

The easiest way would be waiting for debian packages of xfree 4.0.1 ;)
But if you don't want to wait, you could make something like this:

- backup your current x-stuff (copy /usr/X11R6 to /usr/X11R6.3 and
/etc/X11 to /etc/X11.3)
- install xfree 4.0.1 to /usr/X11R6.4 and /etc/X11.4
- make symlinks /usr/X11R6 -> /usr/X11R6.4 and /etc/X11 -> /etc/X11.4
- run ldconfig
- config x

Now before every upgrade you do:

- remove the symlinks
- make symlinks /usr/X11R6 -> /usr/X11R6.3 and /etc/X11 -> /etc/X11.3
- run ldconfig

After the upgrade, you put the symlinks back to pointing to the xfree 4.0
dirs and run ldconfig.

Ron Rademaker

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Richard P. Groenewegen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was thinking about installing xfree4.0.1 on my debian system, but
> then I started worrying about how it would interfere with the debian
> package management.
> 
> For instance, say I just install XF4, overwriting all the older stuff
> that debian has put there.  What will happen when debian thinks it
> should `upgrade' to a newer version?  Will it overwrite my files?  Or
> what if I would deselect xfree-common?  Will I have problems with
> depencies?  (Yes, probably!)  
> 
> So, what's the right way to persue this?  As I said in the subject, I
> don't think this is xfree-related, it's just about installing a newer
> version of some debian package for which debian has lots of
> dependencies.  (And making them live in harmony.)
> 
> regards,
> Richard
> 
> 
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Re: recompiling gcc & g++

[Mark Brown]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 07:59:31PM -0300, Jan Pfeifer wrote:

> gcc & g++ are the programs I use most, and often I'm waiting for them
> to compile a big project I'm currently working on. 

> is it worth to recompile them using more "agressive" optimizations
> options (-O3, -funroll-loops, and -march=pentiumpro) ? 

Probably not.  Much of the slowness has to do with the fact that
compilation is quite an expensive process and the algorithms used by GCC
aren't always the fastest (in particular, there's been a whole bunch of
improvements in C++ compilation since GCC 2.95 was released).

> anyway, I tried it, using apt-get to get the sources. Gcc, g++, gnu
> objective C and java compilers share the same source. I changed the
> compilation options in the "debian/rule" file (acutally "debian/rule2")
> and let it run. But during compilation it stopped while compiling

Check that that'll actually do what you think.  GCC recompiles itself
several times during building and you may find that you've only changed
the options for the first stage.

> objective c, complaining that some file was missing ("gc.h") ... Does
> anybody has any experience with this ? Should I write the mantainer of
> the package ? 

Check that you have all the source dependancies.  Actually, I'd suggest
just installing from source rather than bothering with the .debs.

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RE: cd burner

[Brooks R. Robinson]

Greetings,
Since this came up, I thought that I would ask a similar question.  I've
been using an HP CD-Writer Plus 8200 Series which has worked like a dream
with one exception: I can't burn those credit-card/business-card size CDR's.
I have heard that the Memorex burners will, and I was wondering if anyone
had any suggestions.

Thanks,

Brooks

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> From: Dale L . Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:53 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: cd burner
>
>
> I'm thinking of getting a cd writer for my system. Any suggestions on
> brand, model, etc..? My system is an athalon 600, non-scusi,. I'm pretty
> new to all this so ease of install, compatibility and use are important.
> thanks
> --dale
>
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Re: still unable to get kernel source - solved

[Spinfire Magenta]

on Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 10:56:42PM -0400, Thomas J. Hamman spewed forth on 
stone tablets:
> After reading your previous mail I was going to suggest that maybe you
> have a corrupted bzip2, or corrupted RAM.  I'm glad it's not the RAM!

Most RAM problems manifest themselves during compilation, so you'd
never get through a kernel compile with bad RAM.

> To answer your question about the gzipped files in /usr/share/doc
> directories, I assume they are gzipped to save disk space.  There are
> some file managers, like mc, that let you look at gzipped text files
> without gunzipping them first.

Lynx lets you do this very conveniently. 

Dan

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Re: Apache -- SSL and normal on same system?

[John Ackermann]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Not necessarily, AFAIK [1].  Regular-mode apache and apache-ssl don't share
> address space, and if configured properly, are working from different
> document roots.  The "risk" is about the same as having multiple accounts
> on the same system.  Apache is pretty bulletproof -- there aren't a
> whole mess of security problems associated with it (security tends to be
> compromised through CGIs instead).
> 
> Here's a different analogy:  apache and apache-ssl are like having
> telnet and ssh on the same box.  The fact that telnet is inherently
> insecure in terms of data and session *doesn't* mean that ssh is
> insecure, *so long as* no data are allowed to traverse the telnet
> channel which would allow a compromise through ssh (eg:
> userid/password).  So if the telnet were configured for unprivileged
> user access in a chroot jail with very little command functionality (an
> approximation of a standard http session), the risk is low.

You just made the light go on, I think.  I was trying to run both 
secure and normal sites using apache-ssl.  I thought that the ssl 
version could do both, and it was a matter of configuring each virtual 
site to use one or the other.  What you're saying is that I need to 
install both apache and apache-ssl, running out of separate server 
roots.  I'll try that.

Thanks!

John
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Re: SOLVED: RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[David Z Maze]

Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MW> Andrew McRobert wrote:
 AM> thanks to Mike. I've installed the bin86 package, run 'make
 AM> bzImage' & lilo again and set the system up to boot. Is the bin86
 AM> package only needed for compressing the kernel image, or is it
 AM> needed to "make dep", "make modules" etc?
MW> 
MW> For the most part, the bin86 package is needed to compile almost
MW> any package that comes as C source code.

Uh, no.  The bin86 package is needed to compile 16-bit 8086-compatible 
source code.  This pretty much means that it's only needed to compile
the kernel boot loader itself (I wouldn't be surprised if the LILO
source needed it too, but people never recompile that).  In
particular, it's *not* needed to recompile kernel modules.

Since, surprisingly, nobody's pointed it out yet, you might want to
look into the Debian kernel-package package.  This builds Debian
packages out of kernels, making it easier to build, install, and
manage them.  If you want to build a kernel, cd to the top of the
kernel source tree, then

  make menuconfig
  fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=whatever buildpackage
  fakeroot make-kpkg modules
  cd ..
  dpkg -i *.deb

The first line runs the standard kernel configuration utility.  The
second actually builds packages of the kernel source, header files,
documentation, and the kernel to be installed.  The third builds
whatever module source trees you have installed to build extra Debian
packages out of external kernel modules.  The last goes off and
installs the packages (and needs to be done as root).

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Re: still unable to get kernel source

[Florian Friesdorf]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 10:21:43PM -0500, John Reinke wrote:
> 
> Dumb question: should all the documentation within
> /usr/share/doc/kernel-package be .gz files? Is there an easier way to view
> all the documenation here without having to gunzip them first?
> 

I think zless displays either gzipped and plan text files.
So if you put an

alias less="zless"

into somewhere it gets executed, your less will work for both.

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changing IMP/Horde database in a production server

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

Hi,

I would like to change the IMP/Horde database from MySQL to
PostgreSQL in a production server.
How can I do this in a smoothly way without breaking my system?
Thanks!

[]s,
Mario O.de Menezes"Many are the plans in a man's heart, but
IPEN-CNEN/SP is the Lord's purpose that prevails"
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Very strange error

[Geir Erik Nielsen]

Hi,
I had such luck asking a question earlier, so I am trying again with something
else. Thanks to everybody who did answer my previous one.

This time what happens is:

I have dial on demand with ISDN. One other machine is currently hooked up to the
network and that is a Windows 95 machine with Internet Explorer 5 and etc..

If I try and ping from the windows box, dial up works fine, and the replies
comes

If I try and go on the web, the Linux box freaks and tries to dial up several
times..even if there is a connection there, it hangs that up and tries
to connect again and again, hanging up immediately.

My setup should be standard Debian isdnutils setup.

ONly thing I have changed slightly in device.ippp0 is the rule in IPchains (I
did try with the standard one as well, but this one I found in Olafs book)

# ipchains -P forward DENY
# ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ

That is it.now why would the Debian box behave in this strange fashion when
IE launches against it?

Please please can anybody help me with this one.

-Geir

Re: Dual-Boot Win2K & Debian

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 12:29:11PM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:
> The question I have is, how to properly dual-boot Win2K and Linux?  Does
> 2K act more like 95/98 which is easy to dual-boot from LILO, or is it
> more like NT in which you edited the boot.ini file and could boot Linux
> from the NT bootloader easier than messing with LILO?

I have a laptop that does this; I used GRUB.  Works great!

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Re: Passwords longer than 8 chars

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 01:48:04AM +0200, Moritz Schulte wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 07:05:36PM -0300, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
> wrote:
> 
> > I want to setup a Debian server and abilitate passwords wih more than 8
> > chars. Where I have to setup this?
> 
> Potato asks you during the installation, wether you want to enable
> passwords, longer than 8 chars.
> if you haven't enabled it during the installation, you can do it with
> 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config'...

The sane person will listen to the advice above.  The masochist will
directly edit the appropriate files in /etc/pam.d/ ... :)

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Debian Linux on Sun UltraSparc IIi

[Wilson Yau]

Hi!  Do anyone have the experience of successful installation of Debian
Linux on a Sun UltraSparc IIi?
I download the 1.44 floppy image for sparc (rescue, root, driver and
base) rom a mirror site, but the box did not boot the rescue disk.
Thanks for all your sharing.

Re: Apache -- SSL and normal on same system?

[Christoph Martin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Ackermann) writes:

> 
> You just made the light go on, I think.  I was trying to run both 
> secure and normal sites using apache-ssl.  I thought that the ssl 
> version could do both, and it was a matter of configuring each virtual 
> site to use one or the other.  What you're saying is that I need to 
> install both apache and apache-ssl, running out of separate server 
> roots.  I'll try that.
> 

No. You don't need to run apache-ssl and apache. apache-ssl can handle
both normal and encrypted connections. You have to listen on port 80
and 443 and setup virtual hosts for port 80 and port 443.

C

Re: Problem with swapping - computer crash.

[Gary Hennigan]

Marko Cehaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have serious problem with swap file, since I changed from potato
> to slink.
[snip]

In the future please refrain from starting a new thread by replying to
an old one. In this case you replied to a "Mr. Smith's" post about how
Corel wasn't conforming to the GPL to start a thread about problems
with a swap file. To me, and I suspect many other debian-user readers
who use a thread-aware mail reader, it appears that 

Gateway Select 750

[dlb]

I am try to bring up Debian Linux on my new Gateway Select 750.  It has
an IBM-DTLA-307030 ATA100 hard disk,  which it doen't recognize.  Does
anybody have any suggestions on how to get it up and running?

Thanks,

Dave Broughton

Re: Problem with swapping - computer crash.

[Gary Hennigan]

Marko Cehaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have serious problem with swap file, since I changed from potato
> to slink.
[snip]

In the future please refrain from starting a new thread by replying to
an old one and just changing the "Subject:". In this case you replied
to a "Mr. Smith's" post about how Corel wasn't conforming to the GPL
to start a thread about problems with a swap file. To me, and I
suspect many other debian-user readers who use a thread-aware mail
reader, it appears that your post was a reply to the "Corel -vs- GPL"
thread.

This is not only a bad thing for people using thread-aware email
readers, but also does a disservice to you, since a lot of people who
might be able to assist you with your problem may not have seen your
email because it wasn't in it's own thread where it belonged. 

If you really insist on starting a new thread by replying to an
existing one, in addition to changing the "Subject" header at least
remove the "References" header as well. This will alleviate the
problem with thread-aware email readers.

Thanks,
Gary Hennigan

Re: Debian Linux on Sun UltraSparc IIi

[Ben Collins]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:52:30PM +0100, Wilson Yau wrote:
> Hi!  Do anyone have the experience of successful installation of Debian
> Linux on a Sun UltraSparc IIi?
> I download the 1.44 floppy image for sparc (rescue, root, driver and
> base) rom a mirror site, but the box did not boot the rescue disk.
> Thanks for all your sharing.

UltraSPARCs have a tendencie not to boot from floppy. You should try
either the tftp image or a CDROM. Note, make sure you use the sun4u
images, since those are the ones needed for UltraSPARCs. Also, you can
sub/post to debian-sparc to get better help specific to Debian/SPARC.

Ben

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(fwd) Debain 2.2

[Remco van de Meent - Debian Listmaster]

Hi there,

Maybe someone could help this lady...

Cheers,
Remco.

- Forwarded message from Amanda Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

From: "Amanda Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Debain 2.2
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:17:10 +0100

Hello
I have a customer with Debain 2.2 is it comaptioable with Codewarrior for 
Red Hat Linux do you know? Mettroworks codewarriors pubilshers havent got back 
to me.

If you can't help please forward this mail to someone who you think may beable 
to help.


Regards Amanda


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Themes in mozilla

[Stuart Ballard]

The current debian package of mozilla (M17-1) seems to fail to bring up
any entries in the Themes list. It also seems to not have mail and news,
even though there is no mozilla-mailnews package (I even looked in
Incoming...).

Does anyone else see these problems or is it something in my
installation only? I didn't find any reports on the BTS, so I wanted to
make sure this wasn't just me before reporting it as a bug (besides, I
haven't received any responses to any bugs I have ever filed on the
mozilla package, and lots of ancient ones are still open).

I wouldn't mind so much about the Themes issue if Classic was the
default... but I don't even have the option of selecting it!

Thanks,
Stuart.

Re: Protecting single files via .htaccess ?

[Marko Cehaja]

Dear

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 08:00:14AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> as this is the debian mailing list ad not theapache list you might have
> better luck reading throught the extensive online documentation for
> apahce and othere apache related user groups and forums. but to answer
> your question look at this:
> http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#location i beleive you can
> specifythe URL to the file you wish to protect and
> http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#files

That is right, there is documentation for Apache. But you can't say this
is Debian list, bla bla bla. 

This is Debian list, but here come all kind of questions regarding software 
in Debian. And it is totally valid to ask that. 



Sincerely,
Marko Cehaja

newer version of pilot-link for palm Os 3.5

[Adam Kwok]

Dear Debian developers,
   I am personally using a linux OS and I am wondering if debian 
offers a newer version of pilot-link that works on PALM OS 3.5 as well. 
Pilot-link is a software provided by debian that transfers data between a 
palm pilot and a linux OS. the fuction I use pilot-xfer I use only works on 
PALm OS 3.3 but not on OS 3.5. Pls reply as soon as possible as this is very 
urgent. Thanks for your kind consideration.
  Yours 
Sincerely,

  ADAM

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Re: Invisible pointer under X

[Taupter]

Robert Norris wrote:
> I'm having a problem with a new machine I'm setting up. I've set up
> XFree, and for some reason, the mouse pointer doesn't appear. I know
> its working because I can click on stuff, select, do all the normal
> mouse things, but I just can't see the pointer.

A quick and dirty solution could be symply add the line

Option "sw_cursor"

in the Device Section. It will disable the hardware cursor support for
the video board.


Taupter

Re: Invisible pointer under X

[Jesús Ruiz de Infante]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:29:32PM +1000, Robert Norris wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a problem with a new machine I'm setting up. I've set up
> XFree, and for some reason, the mouse pointer doesn't appear. I know
> its working because I can click on stuff, select, do all the normal
> mouse things, but I just can't see the pointer.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this? X version is 3.3.6, mouse is
> a PS/2 (kernel version 2.2.16).
> 
> Regards,
> Rob.


I'm running xfree 3.3.6-10 from potato, kernel 2.2.16 PS/2, compiled in
(not as a module)

Relevant lines in /etc/X11/XF86Config

# **
# Pointer section
# **

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"PS/2"
Device  "/dev/psaux"

EndSection

ls -l /dev/psaux gives me

crw---1 root root  10,   1 ago 14 11:16 /dev/psaux

And it works OK.

Does gpm work for you?
(Perhaps gpm steps in X wrt the mouse)



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DEC 433 installation - SCSI and partitioning concerns

[Robert Lilley]

Hi all,

Slink does not recognize SCSI controller?

I am trying to install Slink on a newly acquired DEC 433 Workstation.  It is
an old 33 mhz 486 with an Adaptec AHA 1510 AIC 6260 SCSI controller built
into the motherboard.  I think the IRQ is 11 and the port address is 340h.
In any event, this Slink distribution will not recognize the two Quantum
Lightning 550 megabyte SCSI hard drives and the Toshiba XM-5701B 12x SCSI
CD-ROM attached to the SCSI controller.  It should be noted both hard drives
are completely "clean", free of any kind of partitions and boot block, etc.
Is there an argument I can pass to the kernel at boot time to solve this?

Also, can anyone suggest a "percentage breakdown" for partitioning these two
drives above?  For example /usr gets 40% of the overall storage capacity,
etc, etc?  This is the first time I've had to install on more than one hard
drive.

Thanks for your time,

Rob

Re: filtering spam with procmail

[Richard Klinda]

Hoi Noah!

  Noah> Hey all.  Over the past couple weeks or so the volume of spam to my 
inbox
  Noah> has grown by a disturbing amount (I should have been more careful...).

  Noah> I'm not sure what to use for such a procmail rule, though.  Does anybody
  Noah> here do anything similar to this?  If so, what's the best way?

Take a look at junkfilter, it does exactly what you want (and much more).

-- 
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Re: cannot get all the galeon files

[Thomas J. Hamman]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:27:21AM +0200, Andr? Dahlqvist wrote:
 
> If you guys are using Woody there's now a new package called mozilla-dev
> that probably contains what you need.
 
That's great!  Except it doesn't seem to contain all the necessary
headers... specifically gtkmozembed.h and all the nsI stuff

Tom

Re: Protecting single files via .htaccess ?

[jbardin]

i am just saying there might be better luck in finding ananswer to
questions asked if they look on the program specific mailing lists and
forums. and most of the software questions that come across this mailing
list do not have such exstensive FAQs and online documentation as apahce
does. so yes it is a valid question and i did take the time to find the
docs and find the answers i am jsut saying questions concerning such
widely used and documented programs might be misplaced and might get
overlooked by such users as my self who often shrug off threads that
concern such easlily findable solutions. the only reason i answerd the
question was becasuei want to teach people how to use the linux
community to its fullest. So the real answer i was providing was to make
sure you (the user) takes time before hand to browse through documention
and to ask yourself the question and make yourslef find the answer
before you rely on someone elses help. casue we learn from our mistakes
and we laern from doing things ourslefs rather than leting someone else
tell you. goes back to a quickand easy saying


Give a person a fish -> you feed him for a day

Teach someone to fish -> you feed him for life

and yes the mailing list is a tool for getting answers to your question
its just that i dont like coming into work and having to download 150
msgs half of which are how to password protect apache files.

-Jon


p.s. the first place i always look is in /usr/docbegin:vcard 
n:Bardin;Jon
x-mozilla-html:FALSE
adr:;;
version:2.1
email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
note:www.gamesig.com -uniting the linux gaming community
x-mozilla-cpt:;0
fn:Jon Bardin
end:vcard

Arghh! Can't compile the kernel!

[Karl Matheson]

Alright,

I finally got Slink installed and running on my new computer, but I need
more help.  When I try to compile the kernel, I got the following errors (I
think when it's almost done):


kernel is compiling fine

xdr.c: In function 'nlmsvc_decode_lockargs':
xdr.c:271: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
(jump_insn 1127 1123 1128 (return) -1 (nil)
(nil))
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6
make [3]: *** [xdr.o] Error 1
make [3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/fs/lockd'
make [2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make [2]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/fs/lockd'
make [1]: *** [_subdir_lockd] Error 2
make [1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/fs'
make: *** [_dir_fs] Error 2
tux:/usr/src/linux# cpp: output pipe has been closed

What's going on?

Thanks for your time,
Cameron Matheson

Re: newer version of pilot-link for palm Os 3.5

[David S. Jackson]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 04:18:17PM + Adam Kwok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Debian developers,
> I am personally using a linux OS and I am wondering if debian 
> offers a newer version of pilot-link that works on PALM OS 3.5 as well. 
> Pilot-link is a software provided by debian that transfers data between a 
> palm pilot and a linux OS. the fuction I use pilot-xfer I use only works on 
> PALm OS 3.3 but not on OS 3.5. Pls reply as soon as possible as this is very 
> urgent. Thanks for your kind consideration.

FWIW, I'm using a tarball of pilot-link-0.9.3, which is what my
apt-cache shows potato's binary as being:

$ apt-cache show pilot-link

Package: pilot-link
Version: 0.9.3-3
Priority: extra
Section: otherosfs
Maintainer: Ben Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libpisock3, libstdc++2.10
Architecture: i386
Filename: dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/otherosfs/pilot-link_0.9.3-3.deb
Size: 186522
MD5sum: 789ab9bb618b7296733c591a46098d4f
Description: Tools to communicate with a 3COM Pilot PDA over a serial port.
 pilot-link is a set of tools that communicate with a 3COM Pilot PDA.
installed-size: 552

My tarball of pilot-link-0.9.3 works fine with my Palm IIIxe with
OS3.5.0.

What problems are you having?

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Re: cannot get all the galeon files

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:00:16AM -0400, Thomas J. Hamman wrote:

> That's great!  Except it doesn't seem to contain all the necessary
> headers... specifically gtkmozembed.h and all the nsI stuff

I haven't tried the package myself, but I know that there is also a
libnspr4-dev package. That's the Netscape Portable Runtime Library
development files. If you think that more files should be included
in the mozilla-dev package you should e-mail the maintainer who
released that package ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), especially since he
specifically reqested this in the release notes. I am not sure if
some licensing issues can prevent inclusion, but you could always
ask him.
--

// André

Re: non xfree-related question about installing xfree4

[Lehel Bernadt]

On 14-Aug-2000 Ron Rademaker wrote:
> The easiest way would be waiting for debian packages of xfree 4.0.1 ;)

There are xfree 4.0.1 debian packages (very experimental, though) available at
http://www.debian.org/~branden/.

forcing app to use smaller colormap?

[Ron Farrer]

Hello;

Is it possible to force an app to use 16 bpp on a 32 bpp display? I don't
want to reconfigure X and I do not want to run more then one X server. 

Any ideas?


TIA,

Ron
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Re: Themes in mozilla

[Jim Ray]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:03:40PM -0400, Stuart Ballard wrote:
> The current debian package of mozilla (M17-1) seems to fail to bring up
> any entries in the Themes list. It also seems to not have mail and news,
> even though there is no mozilla-mailnews package (I even looked in
> Incoming...).
> 
> Does anyone else see these problems or is it something in my
> installation only? I didn't find any reports on the BTS, so I wanted to
> make sure this wasn't just me before reporting it as a bug (besides, I
> haven't received any responses to any bugs I have ever filed on the
> mozilla package, and lots of ancient ones are still open).

If you intsall it in you /home dir the mail will come up.  I don't know why 
this is though.  And the themes actually work also.

jim
> 
> I wouldn't mind so much about the Themes issue if Classic was the
> default... but I don't even have the option of selecting it!
> 
> Thanks,
> Stuart.
> 
> 
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Re: Protecting single files via .htaccess ?

[staf]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Oliver Schoenknecht wrote:

> I want to protect single files from accessing them from outside. I am
> aware that .htaccess does quite well in protecting directories but can
> I protect single files as well, for example the "passes.php3" ?
> 
> Any help is appreciated very well !

In the Un*x world everything is possible :)

Just add the next lines to your access.conf or httpd.conf


AuthType basic
AuthName "private"
AuthUserFile /etc/apache/pwapache
require valid-user
order allow,deny
allow from all


and restart apache, you can add a user to the passwd file with the
htpasswd command.

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Re: LILO & Kernel Image too big

[staf]

> I've just compiled a 2.2.12 kernel on a test machine here, and when I try to
> update LILO to boot the new kernel image I get the following message:
> 
> "Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big"
> 
> The new kernel is bigger than I expected it to be, ls -l lists it as 1.8MB
> (the old kernel is about 500K). Anyone have any ideas how to solve this?

Try to use a bzimage instead of a gzip image, "make bzlilo" should do the
job.

If your kernel is still too big, you must use more modules. This will 
decrease the size of your boot kernel.

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Re: [Quake-user] Re: IO permission problem

[Joseph Carter]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:27:35PM -0500, Jeff Epler wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Attila Csosz wrote:
> > Ok, I fixed the permissions, currently I have:
> > -rwsr-xr-x1 root root   872936 AUG 11 12:57 
> > /usr/local/bin/qw-client-svga
> > In this way I'm able to start the program.
> > 
> > But a problem still exists. This way my mouse don't detected. I got the 
> > message
> > on the screen after quiting:
> > 'No mouse found'.
> > Starting the program as root: it is ok.
> 
> Well, unless it works in some other programs, I'd assume this is a defect
> in your installation/setup of svgalib, rather than in quakeforge.

No it's not, it's a defect in the way gpm hands the mouse to svgalib.  ie,
it doesn't unless svgalib goes into graphics mode.  Mercury oughtta fix
that with another hack..  =p  Put svgalib into some pathetic VGA mode and
it will cooperate with gpm just fine!

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does not make for a correct solution.
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Re: Themes in mozilla

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:03:40PM -0400, Stuart Ballard wrote:

> The current debian package of mozilla (M17-1) seems to fail to bring up
> any entries in the Themes list.

I can't reproduce that with the upstream version of M17, but I remember
hearing people complaining about it during the M17 development. I don't
have the debian M17 package installed, so could you check which build ID
Mozilla shows on the right of the titlebar? The official M17 build
should have the ID "280712". Not removing the .mozilla directory in
your $HOME can also produce the most strange errors, so you might want
to try that too.

> It also seems to not have mail and news, even though there is no
> mozilla-mailnews package (I even looked in Incoming...).

The maintainer probably chose to disable mail-news when compiling, since
that's what most people want. There should definately be a package
however that has this included. So if that hasn't been reported as a bug
yet I suggest that you do it.

> Does anyone else see these problems or is it something in my
> installation only?

Not likely if you have removed your .mozilla directory.

> I haven't received any responses to any bugs I have ever filed on the
> mozilla package, and lots of ancient ones are still open).

The M17 release was a NMU if I'm not misstaking, put together by Brent
Fulgham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and I'm sure he'll respond to mails sent
to him.

> I wouldn't mind so much about the Themes issue if Classic was the
> default... but I don't even have the option of selecting it!

I agree, the Classic skin is a beauty, especially on the nightly M18
builds!
-- 

// André

Re: SOLVED: RE: LILO & Kernel Image too big --> Make error

[André Dahlqvist]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:02:39AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote:

> Uh, no.  The bin86 package is needed to compile 16-bit 8086-compatible 
> source code.  This pretty much means that it's only needed to compile
> the kernel boot loader itself (I wouldn't be surprised if the LILO
> source needed it too, but people never recompile that).  In
> particular, it's *not* needed to recompile kernel modules.

And starting with 2.4.x kernels this requirement has been lifted, and
you only need a recent version of binutils.
-- 

// André

installation problem

[Kustem]

Dear sirs:

I bought the Debian installation book by Thomas Down with the CD and followed 
the instructions for installation on the CD.  I have a 486-8MB mother board 
with an 80 MB hard drive. I allocated 60 MB for Linux, 20 for DOS.  I can 
follow thru the steps all the way to installing BASE system.  Then get stuck. 
Every time I went thru it the screen keeps coming back to the same place 
asking me to install BASE system. It happens in a circle.  Can any one help 
me with a solution to the problem?
Thank you for lisening.

Yours,

Shih Chang

Re: still-extant potato boot problems (kmod/runany modprobe loop)

[Wookey]

On Sun 13 Aug, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> 
> Are there any fixes (or even diagnoses) yet for the following problem?
> Has anyone else even seen these symptoms?

>- "start ppp0: SIOCSIFMETRIC: Operation not supported"
>  (asynchonously, after something had triggered diald)

This is a 'standard' diald problem. It occurs due to the differences
between 2.0 and 2.2 kernel network interface support. From memory of old
diald list discussions: The metric parameter is no longer supported on
2.2 kernels but the diald code still uses it, producing this
harmless-but-irritating warning. Changing to the newer ethertap mechanism
makes it go away - otherwise you just ignore it and everything will work
just as before unless you are doing something very obscure that depends
on the metric parameter to differentiate cpnnections.
 
ie in summary - you can safely ignore this if you are just using diald in
the usual way (for bringing up and down a ppp phone link)

Wookey
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RE: Internet only for root

[Ronald Castillo]

Thanks a lot for all your help.  I'll put my users in "dip".

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:51 AM
To: Debian-User Mailing List
Subject: Re: Internet only for root


Add the users who are to be able to bring up ppp to the 'dip' group.
You can do this with the command

adduser username dip

Recent versions of pppconfig can also do this.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin


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Re: filtering spam with procmail

[Gary Hennigan]

Richard Klinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hoi Noah!
> 
>   Noah> Hey all.  Over the past couple weeks or so the volume of
>   spam to my inbox has grown by a disturbing amount (I should
>   have been more careful...).
> 
>   Noah> I'm not sure what to use for such a procmail rule, though.
>   Does anybody here do anything similar to this?  If so,
>   what's the best way?
> 
> Take a look at junkfilter, it does exactly what you want (and much
> more).

It's not that bad to do in procmail, especially if you're already
using procmail to sort for things like mailing lists and don't want
the hassle of learning an entirely new tool like junkfilter. What I do
is have a set of rules at the top of my ~/.procmailrc that picks out
all the mail to mailing lists to which I subscribe. They look like:

:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-user|^TOdebian-user
Mailing.Lists.spool

Then at the bottom of my ~/.procmailrc I have some general rules that
apply to valid email addresses for me and anything that doesn't match
these goes to the spam box. As an example:

:0:
* !^TO.*sandia.gov
* !^TO.*glhenni
* !^TO.*[hH]ennigan
* !^TO.*[Gg]ary
Spam.spool

The rule above says that any email coming in that doesn't match any of
the specified patterns in a "TO" header ("TO" is an alias used by
procmail to specify several actual "to-like" headers) should go the
file Spam.spool. If you've noticed, most Spam doesn't actually go to
your email address. They use some alias like "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
or similiar.

I've been using this for about a year now and I'd say it eliminates
about 95% of the spam I get and I can recall only one occasion that it
trapped a valid email in my spam box, and I modified the rules so that
it wouldn't happen again. I check my spam box about once a week and
generally do a:

echo -n "" > Spam.spool

to clean it out.

Gary

Re: Expiring mail

[Arcady Genkin]

Christopher Mosley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > I'm looking for something that would be able to:
> > 1.  Delete messages older than a specified date.
> > 2.  Move messages older than a specified date (i.e. archive them
> > away).
> 
> This would be quite easy if your mail is in Maildir format. Since you
> say "mailbox" I assume this is not the case. Qmail used to create mbox by
> default with the option to compile with Maildir.

This is a valid point, but for several reasons I prefer mailboxes.
For one I am subscribed to many maling lists with high traffic, and I
don't want to waste inodes.  Also, I'm not sure if procmail will work
with maildir.  I also use Qmail, but have it deliver to mailboxes.

So, the question is still open; Is there a utility to be run from cron
to go through mailboxes and expire messages by deleting them or
archive them by moving somewhere else?

Thanks!
-- 
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Don't read everything you believe.

2.2 Cds

[Ray Percival]

Does anyone know somewhere where 2.2 cds can be preordered? Thanks

Re: procmail - filtering already received mails

[Arcady Genkin]

Florian Friesdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > for i in `ls`; do
> >   echo -n "$i: ";
> >   procmail < $i && rm $i;
> >   echo "done.";
> > done
> 
> I still don't understand what was going on, but with this one it worked fine.
> 
> (for i in `ls`; do echo -n "$i: "; procmail < $i && rm $i; echo "done."; 
> done) > ../log 2>&1 &

Not to say that this is the cause of slowness, but you may still want
to change the `ls` to *.  This will save running ls, and opening and
closing a pipe:

for i in *; do
...
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Re: 2.2 Cds

[Antonio Rodriguez]

I am going to order mine with [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just have
to send an email and the guy will answer.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:47 PM
Subject: 2.2 Cds


> Does anyone know somewhere where 2.2 cds can be preordered? Thanks
>
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Re: 2.2 Cds

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Also try [EMAIL PROTECTED] May be has a better price
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: 2.2 Cds


> I am going to order mine with [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just
have
> to send an email and the guy will answer.
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:47 PM
> Subject: 2.2 Cds
>
>
> > Does anyone know somewhere where 2.2 cds can be preordered? Thanks
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Re: filtering spam with procmail

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

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> Spam.spool

Thanks, Gary, that is *exactly* what I was looking for!  Yay!

noah

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Re: installation problem

[Ron Rademaker]

Is there an error??
My guess is that 60 meg is just not enough...

Switch to another tty (ALT+F2) and type df, to see how much free space is
left.

Ron Rademaker

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Dear sirs:
> 
> I bought the Debian installation book by Thomas Down with the CD and followed 
> the instructions for installation on the CD.  I have a 486-8MB mother board 
> with an 80 MB hard drive. I allocated 60 MB for Linux, 20 for DOS.  I can 
> follow thru the steps all the way to installing BASE system.  Then get stuck. 
> Every time I went thru it the screen keeps coming back to the same place 
> asking me to install BASE system. It happens in a circle.  Can any one help 
> me with a solution to the problem?
> Thank you for lisening.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Shih Chang
> 
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Re: Older hardware running newer software (was: Re: Installing Debian on 486)

[Stephan Hachinger]

Hi!

I'm also a 386etc. fan and I can tell you that in fact many stores still
sell 4MB simm (=30pin) modules (at least here in Germany), so that quite
every old machine (if it has four or eight slots) can be upgraded to 16 or
32 MB of RAM. Sometimes you can also get these modules for a very cheap
price at a second-hand market.

Regards,

Stephan Hachinger

- Original Message -
From: "Rogerio Brito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian User" 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 5:28 AM
Subject: Older hardware running newer software (was: Re: Installing Debian
on 486)


> On Aug 13 2000, s. keeling wrote:
> > RAM tends to help more than upgrading to a faster processor would.
>
> Indeed. Really. The chance to avoid swaps is incredible. The
> only problem is that not all older boards support that much of
> RAM (and not all of them support even 72-way memory chips;
> my 486DX33 only supports RAM chips with 30-connectors -- don't
> know what these chips are called).
>
> []s desperately looking for upgrading the 8MB to 16MB, Roger...
>
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