Re: ppp analog bonding w/ eql

[Lindsay Allen]

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Debian Mailing List wrote:

> 
> hi there i am a newbie and was wondering if anyone has or know how to use
> two modems or more to dial up to a isp and bond all the lines together..
> 
> my isp currently uses ascend dial-up servers and supports 56k modems
> 
> --kim 

Using here quite successfully.  But check with your provider that he has
only one box as both modems must be connected to the same box.  If he has
multiple boxes you might have to make a lot of calls to achieve this.

What we need is multi-link ppp.  Available (so I'm told) for FreeBSD and
W95 but not for Linux.

There is an eql package.  Contact me by email if you need help.

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enable rlogin with PAM? (pam setup)

[Jeff Raubitschek]

I havent taken the time to figure out how to use PAM yet and i just
upgraded to debian hamm.  Unfortunately now rlogin doesnt work.

I understand the basic concepts behind PAM and have tried adding
"auth  sufficient  /lib/security/pam_rhosts_auth.so"
to my login pam config file.

but that didnt seem to solve the problem.  When is this file loaded.  how
do I get it to be reread? or did i do something wrong?

Could it be possible to make this an installation choice.
Asking user: "Allow rlogin? [y/N] "
 
or make therlogin pam setup correct by default (if this isnt a security
risk)?

thank you,
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Re: ppp analog bonding w/ eql

[Ian Eure]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:19:55AM +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Debian Mailing List wrote:
> 
> > 
> > hi there i am a newbie and was wondering if anyone has or know how to use
> > two modems or more to dial up to a isp and bond all the lines together..
> > 
> > my isp currently uses ascend dial-up servers and supports 56k modems
> > 
> > --kim 
> 
> Using here quite successfully.  But check with your provider that he has
> only one box as both modems must be connected to the same box.  If he has
> multiple boxes you might have to make a lot of calls to achieve this.
> 
> What we need is multi-link ppp.  Available (so I'm told) for FreeBSD and
> W95 but not for Linux.
Hmm, no... There is support for the (semi?) standard multilink ppp protocol
under development... It is not in the standard kernel yet, and I don't remember
the www site, but an altavista search for "ppp multilink protocol" +linux
should get it for you.

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Re: enable rlogin with PAM? (pam setup)

[Ian Eure]

On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 05:52:15PM -0700, Jeff Raubitschek wrote:
> I havent taken the time to figure out how to use PAM yet and i just
> upgraded to debian hamm.  Unfortunately now rlogin doesnt work.
> 
> I understand the basic concepts behind PAM and have tried adding
> "auth  sufficient  /lib/security/pam_rhosts_auth.so"
> to my login pam config file.
> 
> but that didnt seem to solve the problem.  When is this file loaded.  how
> do I get it to be reread? or did i do something wrong?
> 
> Could it be possible to make this an installation choice.
> Asking user: "Allow rlogin? [y/N] "
>  
> or make therlogin pam setup correct by default (if this isnt a security
> risk)?
Er... I'm not sure if PAM is used by default in Debian. At least, I don't think
that all the programs that could (should?) use it. Maybe someone else has more
info? PAM always looked interesting, but not quite stable yet, and lacking the
program support it really needed. But, I definitely want to play with it if it
is standard on Debian.

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Re: ppp analog bonding w/ eql

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:19:55AM +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> Using here quite successfully.  But check with your provider that he has
> only one box as both modems must be connected to the same box.  If he has
> multiple boxes you might have to make a lot of calls to achieve this.
> 
> What we need is multi-link ppp.  Available (so I'm told) for FreeBSD and
> W95 but not for Linux.
> 
> There is an eql package.  Contact me by email if you need help.

I couldn't find the package but I compiled the source off sunsite ok
(I think, some source hacks required) on a bo system. I'm trying to play
around with parallel ethernet. One of the networks is my regular
ethernet, the other is another I've added between two machines.
I've configured the addresses and the second ethernet is working fine.
I eql_enslaved the devices on each end and added a route to the eql
device, but can't ping and there's no sign of any traffic being sent.
/proc/net/dev lists lots of packets being dropped on the eql device,
nothing sent or received.

Any ideas?


thanks,
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Re: Partitioning/Dual Booting

[timothy]

> Important! 
> 
>   1  After changing /etc/lilo.conf, and especially after changing the
>  kernel, you must run /sbin/lilo to update the boot map.

Might I inquire as to what this bootmap stuff is about and why its
important? I've built and used kernels 2.0.29,2.0.30,2.0.32,2.0.33 and 2.0.34 on
my machine and never thought of running lilo again, yet everything still works
fine.

Thanks,
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Re: Partitioning/Dual Booting

[Oliver Elphick]

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  >> Important! 
  >> 
  >>   1  After changing /etc/lilo.conf, and especially after changing the
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  >
  >Might I inquire as to what this bootmap stuff is about and why its
  >important? I've built and used kernels 2.0.29,2.0.30,2.0.32,2.0.33 and 2.0.3
  >4 on
  >my machine and never thought of running lilo again, yet everything still wor
  >ks
  >fine.
 
Answer off the top of my head (so check the details if it matters):

Lilo stores the actual disk address of the kernel in the boot map (this is
run before there is an operating system to interpret the file system). If
you recompile the kernel, it will almost certainly be somewhere different
and you won't be able to boot.  If you build the kernel with `make zlilo'
this is done for you, which is perhaps why you haven't had any problem.
If you use `make zimage', on the other hand, you must run lilo before you
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Re: Linux system Instalation - CRC Error

[Jieyao]

I have a feeling that Debian /Linux is particularly sensitive to media defect. 
Even 
when I use disk that are formatted perfectly in win95, I still get error during 
installing.
Something retrying works.

But the easiest way out is to get a new box of floppy. You would need 9 disks, 
about a box.

BTW, what's the root disk for? I don't think it was used for installation.

> Sounds like you there may be a media defect on the floppy you used for the
> rescue disk.  Use another floppy.  This is pretty common.  
> 
> Here is what I do do make a Debian boot floppy set.  It is kinda time
> consuming, but it has pretty much eliminated this kind of problem for me.
> 
> DOS (Win95, whatever) format the stack of floppys that you plan to use for
> your installation set.  Watch the output messages.  If the format program
> marks any sectors as bad, toss the disk or at least dont use it to make
> your installation set.

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Kernel-source dependence

[Jieyao]

Hi,

Do you think there is a dependence on bin86 missing for the kernel-source 
package?

I was unable to compile the kernel for some thing and sent time digging at all 
places before I discover I did not install the bin86 package.

Why wan't bin86 installed? Well I tried to trim the system, leaving out package 
that don't sound familiar hoping the dependence checking would warn me. 


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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Rick Macdonald]

Mark Panzer wrote:

> > > > > > While running netscape ver 4.05 I commonly run out of memory after 
> > > > > > two
> > > > > > hours.

You mentioned Java applets.

What if you fire up Netscape, and don't look at any web pages other than
whatever your startup home page is, and just leave it for an hour. Does
it grow and die? Maybe it's the pages you always visit. Java, animated
gifs, etc.

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Re: xhost

[timothy]

Can someone explain the deal with encryption and the US? Why all the
drama with having to use non-us.debian.org and all that to get ssh? Are people
living in the US not allowed to use ssh etc? And why all the fuss over
gov't approved 128bit DES not being strong enough when one can simply use
1024/4096 bit encryption with PGP - IDEA algorithm I think?


> hmmm maybe "ssh localhost -l root" would help; but you must have ssh
> installed which is not default in the US afaik. And i wouldn't recommend
> allowing remote logins of root even via ssh.

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where is /sbin/clock in hamm

[Oz Dror]

I have partially upgraded my system to debian 2.0
the command /sbin/clock has disappeared. Is there a new command for the
cmos clock or is there a new package that I am missing?
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Re: where is /sbin/clock in hamm

[Steve Mayer]

Oz,

 The clock command has been replaced by hwclock.

Steve Mayer
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Oz Dror wrote:

> I have partially upgraded my system to debian 2.0
> the command /sbin/clock has disappeared. Is there a new command for the
> cmos clock or is there a new package that I am missing?
> -Oz
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RE: xhost

[timothy]

Ok, so the gov't thinks strong encryption is munitions so you can't export it.
Why have non-us.debian.org: You can't import it either? Or you just can't use
it at all in the US?

.Not like making _rules_ about import and export can actually stop what
people do with source available on the net?. Surely if you are a criminial
of the sort that the govt is so intent on stopping, then you would have no
problem with using illegally electronically exported/imported encryption code? 

Any good sites explaining the matter?
Thanks,
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Re: Problem with F90 compiler after upgrade to libc6

[Jens Ritter]

Chris Auld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> Yesterday I used the autoup.sh script to upgrade libc5 -> libc6.
> My NAG Fortran 90 compiler now crashes out with the following
> error:
> 
>   f90 -w-c global.f -o global.o
>   In file included from global.f:1:
>   /usr/local/lib/f90/f90.h:48: math.h: No such file or directory
>   make: *** [global.o] Error 1   
> 

Check if f90 uses libc5 via ldd and install a libc5 which can coexist
with libc6.

HTH,

Jens
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Re: zmore & Latex

[Jens Ritter]

Dennis Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am still having trouble with basic text commands.  Doesn't seem like it
> should be that hard.
> 
> The following command, for instance:
> 
>zmore Xserver.1x.gz 
> 
> gives me text with control characters in it.  I'm fairly sure I'm not using
> the right procedure to view these files.
> 
> Also, someone suggested using 'zless', but when I run this command I get a
> '/usr/bin/zless: less: command not found' error.

try "eval `lesspipe`" and using plain less. 
Xserver.1x.gz seems to be a man page. So either put it in a path were
man finds it (beware of duplicates) or look at man man if there´s an
option to read a man page from another place then /usr/man/wherever.

Last resort is using [gtn]roff -man(doc) Xserver.1x |less for it.

> In regards to a file that I downloaded (xxx.tar.gz), which was supposed to
> be a latex archive file, as mentioned in an earlier post, I unzipped it with: 
>   'tar zxvf filename.tar.gz'
> 
> Which gave me numerous xx.tex files.  I finally deduced that I can only view
> the .tex files that begin with '/begin/document' or I'll get an 'uncontolled
> character sequence error' or something like that.  
> 
> I then ran:
> 
>   latex guide.tex  (Which has the correct starting text in it)
> 
> and got the error message:
> 
>   'Can't find file linuxdoc.sty'

There´s a linuxdoc-sgml.sty in sgml-tools and linuxdoc.sty in qweb.

HTH,

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Re: How do I get exim to work?

[Johann Spies]

-- Forwarded message --
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Jaakko Niemi wrote:

> >> popclient: POP3< +OK 5698 octets
> >> reading message 1 (5698 bytes)
> >> popclient: SMTP connect to (null) failed
> 
>  Smells like exim is not running, nor inetd is starting it. Do you have
> something like the following in your inetd.conf:
> 
>  #:MAIL: Mail, news and uucp services.
> smtp   stream  tcp nowait  mail/usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs

Thank you for replying and no, my inetd.conf did not have that line for
exim. That line looked like this:
 
 # smtp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.smtpd (will be
 restored by smail postinst)

and there was no exim-line.  The exim installation script seems to be
buggy.

Anyhow, I did put the line you supplied above in inetd.conf and rebooted
the computer because I do not know how to get inetd to read that file
otherwise (later I discovered inetd-update and used it to enable smtp,
but without any positive results).

I then sent a test message to myself locally using mailto.  No error
messages appeared, and the file was in /var/spool/exim/input.  I tried to
send an test message using Pine but the message was again: 

[Error sending: 421 SMTP connection went away!]

To send this message, I had to remove exim again and reinstall smail.

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Re: xhost

[Ian Eure]

Ok. The government of the USA classifies encryption code as a munition, ie a
tool of war; presumably because it is in fact used during wars to stop the
enemy from recieving messages intended for your own side. Ok. So, there is also
this law about not exporting munitions from the USA. Also a USA-specific law.
What this means is that the US government can come down _hard_ on anyone making
encryption software (or hardware) available to non-US citizens. Since, if you
put, say, a copy of PGP on a ftp server in the US, you cannot (easily) verify
that the person(s) downloading it are US citizens without violating a federal
law, all encryption-related software must be distributed from sources outside
the US. Importing encryption software into the US is not an issue.

Note that the actual law states that no encryption stronger than 40 bits may
be exported- 40 bits or lower is ok to export. This makes it very hard to get
copies of, say, pgp (1024+ bits == not ok to export) - which was written in the
US - outside the US border legally. Very hard, but not impossible- the law in
question does not prohibit written or printed copies. So, a printed copy of
PGP was shipped outside the country, where it was scanned, OCR'd and proofred
for errors. At which point it was distributed on a global scale, from outside
the US, legally- since the country it was being distributed from didn't have any
ack-basswords laws about exporting strong encryption products.

Yes, you are correct. The law(s) are pointless. Lobby your local 
representative. 

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 01:16:43AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok, so the gov't thinks strong encryption is munitions so you can't export it.
> Why have non-us.debian.org: You can't import it either? Or you just can't use
> it at all in the US?
> 
> .Not like making _rules_ about import and export can actually stop what
> people do with source available on the net?. Surely if you are a criminial
> of the sort that the govt is so intent on stopping, then you would have no
> problem with using illegally electronically exported/imported encryption 
> code? 
> 
> Any good sites explaining the matter?
> Thanks,
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Where is Perl Base for Debian v2.0 (Hamm)

[Gnoh, Chee Seng]

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Updating using apt

[Daniel Mashao]

Anybody successfully upgraded from bo using "apt-get update"? I get a lot
of errors about not being able to connect, but normal ftp works. The sites
that are specified are
http://ftp1.us.debian.org
and http://non-us.debian.org

any clues?

Actually, being in SA I would prefer to get a CD than go through ftp due
to bandwidth problem. Anyone selling recently pressed CD's cheaply enough
to entice me?

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Re: ppp analog bonding w/ eql

[Hamish Moffatt]

My testing has been with 2.0.34 on both ends. Have you tried it on
that version Lindsay?

On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 10:26:48PM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> ALso, maybe I am misunderstanding you but I thought that eql was only
> designed for serial devices. Also note that both network interfaces need
> the same IP address.  In other words, if you have two dialup connections,
> they both need to be the SAME IP Address for EQL to work.

Hmmm. I got the impression that it should work on any link. They use
plip as an example in the doco, I think. I did try it with the same IP
on both links (a bit weird on ethernet but anyway) and didn't seem to 
get anywhere further. I'll try again soon and check out the kernel list.


thanks
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Problem w/ network card during boot

[Gunnar Strand]

Hi,

I have a problem when switching on the power. A module named
"seeq8005" seems to be probing and successfully detecting
"something". I suspect seeq8005 is a network h/w, because it
will be given device eth0. Later in the boot sequence my NE2000
card is successfully probed and given eth1.

When I reboot, seeq8005 either won't probe or fails to probe
because the NE card will be eth0 (as it should be). It is only
after a power on the seeq8005 conflicts w/ my NE card. The
reported io addresses are NOT the same; seeq8005 reports 0x300
and 0x240 for the NE card.

I'm using the latest distribution previous to the 2.0 beta. The
problem appears on both of my installed hosts. I can't any reference
to seeq8005 in the modconf program either.

Anybody got an idea?

Regards,

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Where is fsplit?

[kriol]

Hi,All

i'm running hamm and wondering where (???.deb) is 
fsplit (Fortran split)? 

any help is greatly appreciated

thanks

OK


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fvwm2/xterm/bash/(child process) problem part II

[Colin Telmer]

Say I run a process in the background from an xterm. For example,

emacs &

Then, if I kill the xterm by clicking on the X in the right, top corner,
it ALSO kills emacs. On the other hand, if I kill the xterm by typing
`exit' at the command line, the emacs job continues. I want to have the
corner button under fvwm2 act like 'exit' so that I can close the shell
either way. At the moment under fvwm2, the corner button is mapped to
the builtin fvwm2 function "close". 

[addition] What it seems like I would need to do is to kill the shell
rather than the xterm. 

Is there any way to do this? Any help is gratefully appreciated. 

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Driver for SCSI-card "Iwill SIDE2935UW"

[Bernhard.Tinner]

I have an Iwill-SCSI-Card "SIDE2935UW" (see http://www.iwill.com.tw/).
Under DOS, Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0 it works very good. Now I wont
to install the a Debian-Linux-Distribution (1.3.1), but it dosen't
works.

The distribution is on a CD and the CD is connected with the SCSI-Card.
The LINUX-Partiton is on a IDE-Drive (/dev/hdd). I boot the PC from the
CD-drive with the Debian-CD (it's from "CHIP Extra Ratgeber - Linux für
Einsteiger und Profis" 1/98). After initalize the Linux partiton on the
HD, the setup wont to select the CD interface type. If I select SCSI
means the setup, there are no SCSI interface. I has a driver for the
Linux-Distribution Red Hat 4.0 (download from the Iwill-Homepage) but I
couldn't install this driver.

I couldn't found a driver for the Iwill SCSI-card SIDE2935UW on
internet. Can you tell me, were I found this driver?

Thank you for your help and I hope, that I can install your
distribution.

Greetings from Zurich
Bernhard Tinner

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Re: dosemu

[Ian Stuart]

The Gecko wrote:
> 
> On 24-Jun-98 Ian Stuart wrote:
> > How on earth do I get dosemu to use my 4Dos dos rather than freedos?
> 
> dosemu uses a disk image that's been created before hand.  To get dosemu to 
> use
> another *dos than the one it's currently using.. build another/different disk
> image.. I built my image off of a floppy formated with MSDos 6x. I forgot the
> exact commands I used (this was a few months back)...  See if that little bit
> of information helps you... if not.. let me know and I'll dig out my notes 
> back
> when I was working with it.
OK - I've now got 4Dos loading from a floppy, however when I run
setup-hdimage, I get compalints from mcopy.  I have a feeling this is
due to supermount.

Anyone any thoughts?
 
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RE: Linux system Instalation - CRC Error

[BARBELET Philippe]

I think you have to build your rescue floppy again
.
RAWRITE2.EXE doesn't  work as well each time.

Try an other rescue floppy and be sure that your floppy disk was first
dos clean formatted before you use it.

Phil.

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A: Debian List
Objet: Linux system Instalation - CRC Error
Date: jeudi 25 juin 1998 22:34

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To:  Debian List
Subject:  Linux system Instalation - CRC Error
Date: 1998-06-25 22:34
Priority: 3

 
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Gentlemen,

I got the following files of instalation of Linux Debian:

Root.Bin
Resc1440.Bin
Drv1440.Bin
Base-1.Bin  Base-2.Bin
Base-3.Bin  Base-4.Bin
Base-5.Bin  Base1_3.Tgz

The RAWRITE2.EXE was used to make the instalation disks.

When I put the RESCUE DISK in the drive and reboot my computer, the
Linux initialization starts,
but at the time that ROOT volume will be mounting, I got the folllowing
error message:

CRC ERROR: Mounting Root File System.
KERNEL PANIC.

Any help will be appreciate.

Best regards.

Romilson C. Carvalho


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Re: Where is Perl Base for Debian v2.0 (Hamm)

[dpk]

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   Hi All,
   
   I am a newbie who is trying to upgrade from Debian 1.3.1 r6 to Debian
   v2.0 ("Hamm"). However I am unable to find the Perl Base package
   required for the upgrade using the autoup.sh script. Can someone point
   me to the correct place? Thanks.
   
   Best Regards,
   
   Chee Seng
   ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

You will find it in the directory '/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/base'
on ftp sites (such as ftp.mi.us.debian.org and ftp.debian.org).

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Re: ppp analog bonding w/ eql

[Marsh Ray]

From: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 10:26:48PM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
>> they both need to be the SAME IP Address for EQL to work.
>
>Hmmm. I got the impression that it should work on any link. They use
>plip as an example in the doco, I think. I did try it with the same IP
>on both links (a bit weird on ethernet but anyway) and didn't seem to 
>get anywhere further. I'll try again soon and check out the kernel list.


The thing with eql is you need a linux box on both ends of the
connections.  Our company put a linux box out at our ISP's site
so we can use eql.  They're a small ISP and easy to work with.

Other ISPs might support "multilink PPP" but probably not eql.

- Marsh


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Missing files on ftp.debian.org?

[Debian Mail]

Hi there!

The day before yesterday I went to ftp.debian.org and fetched hamm by
saying 
get current.tar.gz
in linux/distributions/debian/hamm/hamm/disks-i386
and the the same with the binary directories.
I unziped the received file. the files in current have the date Jun 24
02:15 but the directory is not complete.
resc1440.bin
base2_0.tgz
base14-1.bin
and other files are missing. So i checked just now on ftp.debian.org: All
the files are there, but their time stamp says: Jun 23 20:14 for most
of the files. So why did some files miss at Jun 24 02:15? And why is
the timestamp now set to an earlier time?

Stef


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mailx problem

[Gregory Green]

I reconfigured my smail, now when I run mailx from the command line I
have a problem. Example:
mailx -s "test" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
blah blah blah
Cc:
Null message body; hope that's ok


When ever I press return to start a new line, I get the Null message
body; hope that's ok message.
Then when I recieve the mail, I have no message body.  Is this something
that can be switched in the /etc/smail/config file?
I have restarted smail several times, but to no avail.

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Dselect: Is it being redeveloped?

[Rod Troch]

Greetings list,

Last week, at the Usenix conference, I received a free CD copy of Debian 
1.3.  The CD is labeled with Novare' on it, if that matters.

Anyway, I figured it was time to rebuild my current Linux system.  I am 
running Red Hat's version 3.0.3 that has been upgraded and patched with 
both RPMs and manual software builds, etc.  I did a safe thing, brought 
the box to single user mode and did two tars to my 8mm drive.  One tar 
was of the /home partition and the other tar was of everything except the 
home partition and the /proc system.  I am glad I did those backups as 
you will read later.

I merrily read some of the quick READMEs and made my boot floppy.  I 
cross my fingers issue the shutdown command from my old faithfully 
running system and wait while the reboot happens.  All is good so far.  
Debian boots from the floppy and starts asking me relevant installation 
questions.  I go ahead and reformat checking for bad blocks my /dev/sda2 
and /dev/sda3 (and /dev/sda4 - swap) partitions.  Things go smoothly up 
until now.  

The system does some work and reboots if I remember correctly, ultimately 
I end up at the Dselect tool screen.  I was really feeling confident 
because the install was working well.  This is where things started to 
get interesting.

Dselect displayed a large list of packages, and had some recommended for 
installation others were not marked for installation.  I understand 
that.  I looked at the packages and figured, what the heck and Dselect do 
its thing.  It read many packages from my cd-rom and a bit of time later 
wanted a reboot (I think).  I then started Dselect again this time 
choosing packages such as Sendmail (to replace smail) and a few others.  
The Dselect tool was quite confusing and was not easy for me to figure 
out with regards to packages already installed.  I saw numerous "*", "-", 
"_", etc.  I read the help pages but they were sorely lacking good solid 
information.  I thought to myself, this can't be that hard.  I have been 
running Linux for a while now and can hobble together my missing packages 
like X later after I get the networking ironed out, etc.

Well.. To make a long and windy email message more concise I will say 
that I spent more time fiddling with dip (to get my static IP slip stuff 
working) and had loads of trouble.  Feeling plenty depressed I resorted 
to recovering my old working system from those two tar tapes I made.  
Many hours later the system was back to its old state.

The real question I pose after all of this dribble is, has Dselect been 
revised or changed with the advent of 1.3.1 or 2.0?  I think I can get 
over the changes in how the /etc/rc.d/ startup scripts behaviour as 
compared to Red Hat linux (at least the version of RH that I was running) 
and the other small oddities, but what I am hoping for is possible a more 
user intuitive package tool.

Now, I was REALLY impressed by the installation tool when it installed 
Sendmail, asking me for relevant information about my mail setup.  I do 
not think that Red Hat offers that (and asking those questions and doing 
a config of the software is a good thing) and its little gems like that 
that are keeping me interested in Debian as opposed to rushing out and 
getting RHh 5.1.x and setting it up.

Thanks for letting me take your time to ramble and vent a bit.  I do 
really hope some work is under way with regards to a more polished Dselect.

Thanks,
Rod



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Trying to install Gnome 0.2

[Ian Stuart]

I'm trying to install Gnome v.2 and I need to find libgdk-imlib1

where is it?

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Re: squake not working

[Ian Lynagh]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jens B. Jorgensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Unfortunately, SVGA does not stand for "standard VGA". SVGAlib, which is what

I know, but it does have a standard VGA mode.

Anyway, running ldconfig as someone else suggested has fixed it  :-)

However, it's currently in 320x200 (I think)  :-(
Does anyone have any idea what a modeline for 400x300 and/or 640x480
and/or anything else should be (I have a NeoMagic video card)?

Thanks
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Re: Kernel-source dependence

[Jim Crumley]

> 
> Do you think there is a dependence on bin86 missing for the kernel-source 
> package?
> 
>I was unable to compile the kernel for some thing and sent time digging at all 
> places before I discover I did not install the bin86 package.
> 
>Why wan't bin86 installed? Well I tried to trim the system, leaving out 
>package> that don't sound familiar hoping the dependence checking would warn 
>me. 
> 
> Jieyao  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ICQ 836655
> 

I ran in to the same problem a couple of months ago.  The reason there isn't
a dependence on bin86 is because only i386 machines need bin86. The kernel
packages themselves are architecture independent, so there was no easy way
to specify the dependence on bin86.  

The way around this problem is to read the documentation that comes with 
the kernel related packages.  The need for bin86 is pointed out there. I 
am guessing that you (like me) missed those references.

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Page counting / Print quota

[Chris]

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone out there has a print quota system running, and
if they could give me some advice on how to set one up.  Is there a
package that can do this?

Also, does anyone know how to count the number of pages in a print job.  I
can try and do this by interpreting the postscript, but I have heard that
this can be done by communicating with the printer (obtaining the total
page count before and after the job, and using the difference).  If anyone
has information on this I would really appreciate it.  The printer we are
using is a HP LaserJet 5M (postscript), and it has a jetdirect so that it
appears as a remote print spooler.

Thanks for any help/advice,


Chris



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Re: Page counting / Print quota

[Ossama Othman]

Hi

Have you tried pac, the printer accounting utility?  Do a "man pac" do get
some additional information.  As far as I know, pac is part of the default
Debian installation.  Here is an excerpt from the pac man page:

---
NAME
 pac - printer/plotter accounting information

SYNOPSIS
 pac [-Pprinter] [-c] [-m] [-pprice] [-s] [-r] [name ...]

DESCRIPTION
 Pac reads the printer/plotter accounting files, accumulating the  
number of pages (the usual case) or feet (for raster devices) of paper 
consumed by each user, and printing out how much each user consumed in
pages or feet and dollars.



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Re: Dselect: Is it being redeveloped?

[Rick Macdonald]

Rod Troch wrote:

Yes. It's not ready for Debian 2.0 (now in beta) but will be the new
tool for 2.1. I believe it will be _in_ 2.0 for people to play with;
just not quite ready for prime time. 

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Re: Problem with F90 compiler after upgrade to libc6

[Kenneth L. Summers]

> Chris Auld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yesterday I used the autoup.sh script to upgrade libc5 -> libc6.
> > My NAG Fortran 90 compiler now crashes out with the following
> > error:
> > 
> > f90 -w-c global.f -o global.o
> > In file included from global.f:1:
> > /usr/local/lib/f90/f90.h:48: math.h: No such file or directory
> > make: *** [global.o] Error 1   
> > 
> 
> Check if f90 uses libc5 via ldd and install a libc5 which can coexist
> with libc6.

Hmmm...  I'm confused here.  This is during the compile phase, which has 
nothing to
do with the libraries (unless the compiler itself uses libraries, in which case 
I 
would expect a mismatch to cause the compiler to core dump, not this).  Why 
would
a change in libraries cause an include file not to be found?

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Re: Page counting / Print quota

[Chris]

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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Ossama Othman wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Have you tried pac, the printer accounting utility?  Do a "man pac" do get
> some additional information.  As far as I know, pac is part of the default
> Debian installation.  Here is an excerpt from the pac man page:
> 
> ---
> NAME
>  pac - printer/plotter accounting information
> 
> SYNOPSIS
>  pac [-Pprinter] [-c] [-m] [-pprice] [-s] [-r] [name ...]
> 
> DESCRIPTION
>  Pac reads the printer/plotter accounting files, accumulating the  
> number of pages (the usual case) or feet (for raster devices) of paper 
> consumed by each user, and printing out how much each user consumed in
> pages or feet and dollars.
> 
> 
> 

Yes, I have seen this.  The problem with this is how do I generate the
printer accounting files?  Also, I am really looking for a pro-active
system, where a user has a quota that they cannot exceed.

Thanks,

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Apt problems

[Chris]

Hello again,

I'm having a problem with apt.  I've just done an upgrade of my hamm
system with a few updated packages, and now everytime I run apt, it wants
to remove its own package.  The following is a sample session with apt:

mort:~# apt-get update
Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au stable/binary-i386/ Packages
Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/contrib Packages
Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/main Packages
Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/non-free Packages  
Updating package file cache...done  
Updating package status cache...done
Checking system integrity...dependency error
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
Sorry, but the following packages are broken - this means they have unmet
dependencies:
  apt: Depends:libc6
mort:~# apt-get -f install
Updating package status cache...done
Checking system integrity...dependency error
Correcting dependencies...ok
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  apt 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0b of archives. After unpacking 1238k will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n


So, apt has a missing dependancy in libc6??  Weird huh.
Anybody got any idea why this is?


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RE: xhost

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

: Ok, so the gov't thinks strong encryption is munitions so you can't export it.
: Why have non-us.debian.org: You can't import it either? Or you just can't use
: it at all in the US?

Uh, you can import and use the software, but you can't _export_ it from
the US.  So, if the FTP site is outside the US, there's no problem (as
long as it's in a free country.  I think a crypto FTP site in France
would be a Bad Idea).

: .Not like making _rules_ about import and export can actually stop what
: people do with source available on the net?. Surely if you are a criminial
: of the sort that the govt is so intent on stopping, then you would have no
: problem with using illegally electronically exported/imported encryption 
code? 

You are applying logic to what is clearly an illogical debate.  Stop
that :)

: Any good sites explaining the matter?

The docs in either PGP package do a good job of explaining the issues,
as well as giving you an overview of when encryption does and doesn't
work well.  I believe their website has some good info too, but I'm too
lazy to check right now :)  There are a gazillion newsgroups which
discuss crypto - you may or may not get good answers there depending on
the s/n ratio.

You could also try ftp.csua.berkeley.edu, the "Official Cypherpunk
Repository", or visit the home of the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
http://www.eff.org/

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Re: squake not working

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Groovy! I'm glad to be wrong. Several of my colleagues have new Dell laptops
sporting NeoMagic chips and lament their XFree86 support. With XFree86 you can 
only
use the VGA16 server man does it look like crap!

Ian Lynagh wrote:

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>
> I know, but it does have a standard VGA mode.
>
> Anyway, running ldconfig as someone else suggested has fixed it  :-)
>
> However, it's currently in 320x200 (I think)  :-(
> Does anyone have any idea what a modeline for 400x300 and/or 640x480
> and/or anything else should be (I have a NeoMagic video card)?

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Moving from Ethernet to modem

[Ted Cabeen]

When I set my system up on Debian, it was connected directly to an ethernet
link, so the entire system is set up to expect connections.  Now, I've
had to move away from my direct connection and I need to close out all
of the systems that rely on that connection being there, like apache and
xntpd.  Which standard programs should I be removing or shutting down?
Eventually, we're planning on setting up a system for ip masquerading and
on-demand ppp dialing by a gateway for the entire apartment, and I don't
want my machine starting or keeping that connection up too much.  Thoughts?


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Re: Dselect: Is it being redeveloped?

[Nelson Posse Lago]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Rod Troch wrote:

> The real question I pose after all of this dribble is, has Dselect been 
> revised or changed with the advent of 1.3.1 or 2.0?

Dselect is a very powerful tool, but is really hard to understand. I went
through more than 5 debian installs before I felt reasonably comfortable
with it.

To address that, a new tools is being developed; it will have interfaces 
for both the console and for X, and is supposedly easier to understand;
but it will only be available on debian 2.1. Dselect will continue to be
available to those who want it.

> I think I can get over the changes in how the /etc/rc.d/ startup
> scripts behaviour as compared to Red Hat linux [...]

There's a standard that defines how this stuff should be organised; it's
the sucessor of the FSSTND 1.2, don't remember the name of it (check the
debian web site). Debian up to version 2.0 complies with the FSSTND 1.2;
debian 2.1 will be compliant with the newer standard, and I think that's
closer to the way RedHat does things.

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serious picture and sound editing and drawing for linux?

[Micha Feigin]

Any serious picture editing and drawing tools in the grade of
photoshop or the likes of fractal painter?
sound editing?
Also is there a good video editing tools in the grade of premier?
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Re: Apt problems

[Steve Mayer]

Chris,

  I ran into this same problem after updating to the lastest
libc6_2.0.7r-2.  The dependency in the latest apt is looking for
something >= 2.0.7pre1-0.  I guess that it doesn't see 2.0.7r-2 as being
"greaterthan or equal to".

  Something was posted on this list a few days ago about this being
fixed in apt_0.0.17 (or some version like that).  I have not yet seen
this available anywhere though.

Steve Mayer
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Chris wrote:
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> I'm having a problem with apt.  I've just done an upgrade of my hamm
> system with a few updated packages, and now everytime I run apt, it wants
> to remove its own package.  The following is a sample session with apt:
> 
> mort:~# apt-get update
> Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au stable/binary-i386/ Packages
> Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/contrib Packages
> Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/main Packages
> Get ftp://ftp.questnet.net.au frozen/non-free Packages
> Updating package file cache...done
> Updating package status cache...done
> Checking system integrity...dependency error
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
> Sorry, but the following packages are broken - this means they have unmet
> dependencies:
>   apt: Depends:libc6
> mort:~# apt-get -f install
> Updating package status cache...done
> Checking system integrity...dependency error
> Correcting dependencies...ok
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   apt
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0b of archives. After unpacking 1238k will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> 
> So, apt has a missing dependancy in libc6??  Weird huh.
> Anybody got any idea why this is?
> 
> Chris.
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Hamm in Australia?

[Mark Harrison]

Hi,
I've been looking at the companies that are shipping debian 2.0 CD's but
cannot find any in Australia. Does anyone know where I might be able to
get the CD's (binary only is fine)?
Thanks,
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Re: serious picture and sound editing and drawing for linux?

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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Micha Feigin wrote:

> Any serious picture editing and drawing tools in the grade of
> photoshop or the likes of fractal painter?

For image editing and manipulation, you want The GIMP.  Go to www.gimp.org
for info.  It's available in .deb format from the Debian ftp sites, as
well.  Search for it in dselect, as I don't know exactly where it's
located.

> sound editing?
> Also is there a good video editing tools in the grade of premier?
> Thanx

Dunno about sound or video editing.

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Re: Page counting / Print quota

[Jieyao]

This is interesting, I didn't encounter it before.

But it don't seem to work for my case. I have a printer connecter to my debian 
box and is shared via samba to my win95 boxes. I sent my print job from my 
win95 machines to the printer but there is no accounting data.

Did I miss something?

Have you tried pac, the printer accounting utility?  Do a "man pac" do get
> some additional information.  As far as I know, pac is part of the default
> Debian installation.  Here is an excerpt from the pac man page:

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Re: Kernel-source dependence

[Ian Eure]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:58:26AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote:
> > 
> > Do you think there is a dependence on bin86 missing for the kernel-source 
> > package?
> > 
> >I was unable to compile the kernel for some thing and sent time digging at 
> >all 
> > places before I discover I did not install the bin86 package.
> > 
> >Why wan't bin86 installed? Well I tried to trim the system, leaving out 
> >package> that don't sound familiar hoping the dependence checking would warn 
> >me. 
> > 
> > Jieyao  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ICQ 836655
> > 
> 
> I ran in to the same problem a couple of months ago.  The reason there isn't
> a dependence on bin86 is because only i386 machines need bin86. The kernel
> packages themselves are architecture independent, so there was no easy way
> to specify the dependence on bin86.  
> 
> The way around this problem is to read the documentation that comes with 
> the kernel related packages.  The need for bin86 is pointed out there. I 
> am guessing that you (like me) missed those references.
Perhaps bin86 should be recommended by kernel-source?

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Re: serious picture and sound editing and drawing for linux?

[Ian Eure]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:30:24AM -0700, Micha Feigin wrote:
> Any serious picture editing and drawing tools in the grade of
> photoshop or the likes of fractal painter?
> sound editing?
> Also is there a good video editing tools in the grade of premier?
> Thanx
The GIMP (http://www.gimp.org) should address most, if not all, of your graphics
needs. It is a free GPL'd Photoshop-like image manipulation tool.

As for sound, I recommend CERES SoundStudio, a very nice multitrack wav
editor/sampler/etc. It is commercial, but a demo is available on Sunsite.

As for video, The GIMP has some stuff you might find useful- it will load and
edit many types of animations, such as MPEG, but saving is currently not
supported for all formats yet.

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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Mark Panzer]

Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> Mark Panzer wrote:
> 
> > > > > > > While running netscape ver 4.05 I commonly run out of memory 
> > > > > > > after two
> > > > > > > hours.
> 
> You mentioned Java applets.
> 
> What if you fire up Netscape, and don't look at any web pages other than
> whatever your startup home page is, and just leave it for an hour. Does
> it grow and die? Maybe it's the pages you always visit. Java, animated
> gifs, etc.
> 
Yup if I have 4 Netscape windows open and I just let them open up the
Debian homepage and don't go to any other sites there is no problem. 
Then they only use up about 13Meg of Ram and don't even use any swap. 
But what good is being able to open up 50 netscape windows if all I can
do is view the initial Debian homepage?  It would be nice to be able to
use this 'tool'.  I do believe that when java is loaded my memory usage
jumps enormously.  After java has been running for a while it seems that
its "garbage collection" feature which frees up memory doesn't work
because it starts to gobble up memory at the rate of 10Kbytes per
SECOND!!!  

I also had another weird occurance when I booted up my machine today
(after properly shutting it down using "shutdown -h now") I recieved the
message 
***FILE SYSTEM CHANGED*** and then it listed all the inodes which had
been changed and then for those that I saw it said FIXED after them. 
Why should my file system become corrupted???  


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unstable networking

[Jieyao]

Hi,

I wonder if anyone experiences the following.

The system reboots ok. ifconfig and route are runand network set up. If you put 
a line in the boot up file with the command 'ifconfig' and 'route' it shows 
that 
eth0 is up and the routing is set up. 
But when you log in, the route is lost. If you run the command 'route' it will 
stuck there as if looking forever for something that is not there.
If I run 'ifconfig eth0 down' and then the file /etc/init.d/network everything 
is back 
to normal.

BTW, I don't think it got anything to do with logging in, I just need to log in 
to 
see things and run commands. 

What could be wrong?

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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mark Panzer wrote:

> Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > You mentioned Java applets.
> > 
> > What if you fire up Netscape, and don't look at any web pages other than
> > whatever your startup home page is, and just leave it for an hour. Does
> > it grow and die? Maybe it's the pages you always visit. Java, animated
> > gifs, etc.

> if I have 4 Netscape windows open and I just let them open up the
> Debian homepage and don't go to any other sites there is no problem. 
> Then they only use up about 13Meg of Ram and don't even use any swap. 

> I do believe that when java is loaded my memory usage
> jumps enormously.  After java has been running for a while it seems that
> its "garbage collection" feature which frees up memory doesn't work
> because it starts to gobble up memory at the rate of 10Kbytes per
> SECOND!!!  

OK, you seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that Java is at fault.

How about you find one Java page that will do this. Fire up a fresh
Netscape, open one browser window, go to that one page, and let it sit
there untouched and prove that it is gobbling memory.

Then, tell us what that page is. Then, a whole bunch of us can try it out.
I can try it on other platforms too, for curiosity (IRIX, Solaris).

Although nobody seems to have seen this problem, I bet nobody doubts that
a page with Java applets could do this. Java in Linux Netscape has been
getting better, but still does weird things.

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Re: Apt problems

[Bob Nielsen]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Steve Mayer wrote:

> Chris,
> 
>   I ran into this same problem after updating to the lastest
> libc6_2.0.7r-2.  The dependency in the latest apt is looking for
> something >= 2.0.7pre1-0.  I guess that it doesn't see 2.0.7r-2 as being
> "greaterthan or equal to".
> 
>   Something was posted on this list a few days ago about this being
> fixed in apt_0.0.17 (or some version like that).  I have not yet seen
> this available anywhere though.
> 

It's just out:

http://www.debian.org/~jgg/apt_0.0.17_i386.deb


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Re: Apt problems

[Rev. Joseph Carter]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Steve Mayer wrote:
>   I ran into this same problem after updating to the lastest
> libc6_2.0.7r-2.  The dependency in the latest apt is looking for
> something >= 2.0.7pre1-0.  I guess that it doesn't see 2.0.7r-2 as being
> "greaterthan or equal to".
> 
>   Something was posted on this list a few days ago about this being
> fixed in apt_0.0.17 (or some version like that).  I have not yet seen
> this available anywhere though.

It is, it's a bug in apt's sorting code.  The fix is available at
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Re: unstable networking

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Jieyao wrote:

: Hi,
: 
: I wonder if anyone experiences the following.
: 
: The system reboots ok. ifconfig and route are runand network set up. If you 
put 
: a line in the boot up file with the command 'ifconfig' and 'route' it shows 
that 
: eth0 is up and the routing is set up. 
: But when you log in, the route is lost. If you run the command 'route' it 
will 
: stuck there as if looking forever for something that is not there.
: If I run 'ifconfig eth0 down' and then the file /etc/init.d/network 
everything is back 
: to normal.

How do you know the route is "lost"?  Typing `route' will result in a
slew of DNS lookups - that could be your delay.  Try `route -n'.
(`netstat -rn' does the same thing and has the added benefit of being in
a user's default path :)

If `route -n' doesn't show anything, then yes, you've got a problem.

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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Mark Panzer]

Rick Macdonald, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mark Panzer wrote:
> 
> > Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > > You mentioned Java applets.
> > >
> > > What if you fire up Netscape, and don't look at any web pages other than
> > > whatever your startup home page is, and just leave it for an hour. Does
> > > it grow and die? Maybe it's the pages you always visit. Java, animated
> > > gifs, etc.
> 
> > if I have 4 Netscape windows open and I just let them open up the
> > Debian homepage and don't go to any other sites there is no problem.
> > Then they only use up about 13Meg of Ram and don't even use any swap.
> 
> > I do believe that when java is loaded my memory usage
> > jumps enormously.  After java has been running for a while it seems that
> > its "garbage collection" feature which frees up memory doesn't work
> > because it starts to gobble up memory at the rate of 10Kbytes per
> > SECOND!!!
> 
> OK, you seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that Java is at fault.
> 
> How about you find one Java page that will do this. Fire up a fresh
> Netscape, open one browser window, go to that one page, and let it sit
> there untouched and prove that it is gobbling memory.
> 
> Then, tell us what that page is. Then, a whole bunch of us can try it out.
> I can try it on other platforms too, for curiosity (IRIX, Solaris).
> 
> Although nobody seems to have seen this problem, I bet nobody doubts that
> a page with Java applets could do this. Java in Linux Netscape has been
> getting better, but still does weird things.
> 
I just started doing this here is the URL that I went to: 

www.netbuyer.com

I noticed the memory usage jump by about 5Meg when navigator was started
and after just staring at the page for 5 min I noticed the memory usage
was once again starting to increase.  Thanks for helping me out here.

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Re: unstable networking

[Jieyao]

> : The system reboots ok. ifconfig and route are runand network set up. If
> you put : a line in the boot up file with the command 'ifconfig' and
> 'route' it shows that : eth0 is up and the routing is set up. : But when
> you log in, the route is lost. If you run the command 'route' it will :
> stuck there as if looking forever for something that is not there. : If I
> run 'ifconfig eth0 down' and then the file /etc/init.d/network everything
> is back : to normal.
> 
> How do you know the route is "lost"?  Typing `route' will result in a slew
> of DNS lookups - that could be your delay.  Try `route -n'. (`netstat -rn'
> does the same thing and has the added benefit of being in a user's default
> path :)

Well I I don't know for sure. What I know is before I do anything, it takes 
forever 
to find the route. But if I rerun the network setup, route pops up immediate.
And not only that, external network can't reach it until I rerun the network 
setup.

> If `route -n' doesn't show anything, then yes, you've got a problem.

I think I do... any idea what I can do?

> BTW, your emailer tries to use unusally long lines.

Meaning?? Lines are not warped?

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Resolution: RE: Problem with F90 compiler after upgrade to libc6

[Chris Auld]

The problem turned out to be I had not installed libc6-dev.  After
installing that and its dependencies, the F90 compiler is back on
its feet.


Thanks,

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56K modem

[Phil]

I have a supra 56i PCI I just upgraded, and notices it not to work under
debian.  ISAPNP doesn't even pickup on it.  I don't think it's windows
hardware, but I didn't notices under win95 a PCI
modem enumerator isn't this something like the enumerators used for PNP,
if so there may be hope... Or maybe the pci errors I get from the kernel
about a pci.o could be blocking the detection... Any thoughts or
suggestions are appreicated

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SSLtelnet

[Phil]

ANy notice that SSLtelent will not let me connect to localhost where
SSL in.telnetd is running?  And after the SSL3 certificate error, my
display is messed up(how to I fix this by hand also) Has anyone used
this with success between two machines.  I'm going to be administrating
a machine, and SSL telnet would be a very useful tool to have.

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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mark Panzer wrote:

> > OK, you seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that Java is at fault.
> > 
> > How about you find one Java page that will do this. Fire up a fresh
> > Netscape, open one browser window, go to that one page, and let it sit
> > there untouched and prove that it is gobbling memory.
> > 
> > Then, tell us what that page is. Then, a whole bunch of us can try it out.
> > I can try it on other platforms too, for curiosity (IRIX, Solaris).

> I just started doing this here is the URL that I went to: 
> 
> www.netbuyer.com
> 
> I noticed the memory usage jump by about 5Meg when navigator was started
> and after just staring at the page for 5 min I noticed the memory usage
> was once again starting to increase.  Thanks for helping me out here.

I'm at work, so I won't be able to try this on Linux until tonight.
Most likely other people will beat me to it. I'll try Solaris 2.6 this
afternoon.

...RickM...


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Re: 56K modem

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

ISAPNP won't pick it up because ISAPNP only works for ISA card. Your card is 
PCI.
I've never heard of a PCI modem before. I can't say whether or not any kernel
supports or doesn't support it. The Hardware-HOWTO in my beta Hamm system 
doesn't
indicate any support for PCI modems. If the device still acts like a 16550A UART
then you can probably configure it just by getting the IO and IRQ info and
passing that to setserial. If it doesn't then kernel support would have to be
written.

Phil wrote:

> I have a supra 56i PCI I just upgraded, and notices it not to work under
> debian.  ISAPNP doesn't even pickup on it.  I don't think it's windows
> hardware, but I didn't notices under win95 a PCI
> modem enumerator isn't this something like the enumerators used for PNP,
> if so there may be hope... Or maybe the pci errors I get from the kernel
> about a pci.o could be blocking the detection... Any thoughts or
> suggestions are appreicated
>
> Philip Thiem
>
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Re: How do I get exim to work?

[Jaakko Niemi]

>> -- Forwarded message --
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
>> 
>> > >> popclient: POP3< +OK 5698 octets
>> > >> reading message 1 (5698 bytes)
>> > >> popclient: SMTP connect to (null) failed
>> > 
>> >  Smells like exim is not running, nor inetd is starting it. Do you have
>> > something like the following in your inetd.conf:
>> > 
>> >  #:MAIL: Mail, news and uucp services.
>> > smtp   stream  tcp nowait  mail/usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/exim exim 
>> > -bs
>> 
>> Thank you for replying and no, my inetd.conf did not have that line for
>> exim. That line looked like this:
>>  
>>  # smtp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.smtpd (will be
>>  restored by smail postinst)

 This is commented out line, and methinks there was a bug conserning this
 looong time ago. 

 That line means that when an smtp connection attempt is approved, 
 inetd shall start that mailer. 

>> and there was no exim-line.  The exim installation script seems to be
>> buggy.

 Which version ? Hamm or bo ?

>> Anyhow, I did put the line you supplied above in inetd.conf and rebooted
>> the computer because I do not know how to get inetd to read that file
>> otherwise (later I discovered inetd-update and used it to enable smtp,
>> but without any positive results).
>> 
>> I then sent a test message to myself locally using mailto.  No error
>> messages appeared, and the file was in /var/spool/exim/input.  I tried to
>> send an test message using Pine but the message was again: 
>> 
>> [Error sending: 421 SMTP connection went away!]

 Do you have a permanent connection or a dial-up ? 
 How does exim.conf look ?

>> To send this message, I had to remove exim again and reinstall smail.
>> 
>> Johann
>> 
>> 
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Re: dosemu

[Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella]

The Gecko writes:
 > 
 > On 24-Jun-98 Ian Stuart wrote:
 > > How on earth do I get dosemu to use my 4Dos dos rather than freedos?
 > 
 > dosemu uses a disk image that's been created before hand.  To get dosemu to 
 > use
 > another *dos than the one it's currently using.. build another/different disk
 > image..

All you need to do is boot a floppy (you gotta make a image of the
floppy before, etc), boot this floppy and run format on the old hdimage.

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Re: dosemu

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote:

>  > dosemu uses a disk image that's been created before hand.  To get dosemu 
> to use
>  > another *dos than the one it's currently using.. build another/different 
> disk
>  > image..
> 
> All you need to do is boot a floppy (you gotta make a image of the
> floppy before, etc), boot this floppy and run format on the old hdimage.

But then don't you loose the files there, such as exitemu and the special
drivers, etc? There must be more steps!

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Re: dosemu

[Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella]

Rick Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote:
 > 
 > >  > dosemu uses a disk image that's been created before hand.  To get 
 > > dosemu to use
 > >  > another *dos than the one it's currently using.. build 
 > > another/different disk
 > >  > image..
 > > 
 > > All you need to do is boot a floppy (you gotta make a image of the
 > > floppy before, etc), boot this floppy and run format on the old hdimage.
 > 
 > But then don't you loose the files there, such as exitemu and the special
 > drivers, etc? There must be more steps!
 > 
 > ...RickM...

Change my "format" for "sys c:" and you're rolling!

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Re: dump and 4mm DAT

[Torsten Hilbrich]

On: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:18:18 -0700 Philippe BARBELET writes:
> 
> Dear debian users,
> Do you know what are the good parameters to use whith the "dump"
> command for a 4mm DAT system ?

It depends on the tape and if your drive supports hardware
compression.  I used dump for 90m (2GB) Tapes with hardware
compression the following way:

# The dump level is the first and only parameter to this script

LEVEL=$1
TAPESIZE=$((3200*1024))
FILE_SYSTEMS="/ /opt /usr /var /home"

mt rewind
for i in ${FILE_SYSTEMS}
do
  dump ${LEVEL}Bf ${TAPESIZE} /dev/tape $i
done

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Re: Socks

[Adrian Bridgett]

On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 06:06:01PM +0200, Boris Lackovic wrote:
> helo!!
> 
> Where can I find socks package?
> Running bo 1.3.1.
> I would like to install sockd demon to help local users to use port 1080
> as SOCKS port for the netscape etc... in my gateway to another network.
> Btw...Im inside firewal..no chanse to run some proxy server on my PC.
> (Im not alloved to use some proxy myself,only gatewaying.)

SOCKS4 is in hamm, I have a package of SOCKS5 here, but I still have to make
the libraries comply to debian guidelines and havn't got around to that yet.
Feel free to email me if you want them though.

Adrian

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Kerberos

[Tod Detre]

Does anyone know where I can get binaries/source for kerberos v4? I need 4
not 5 'cause 5 is not entirely backwards compatible.

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wysiwyg gif animator for linux?

[Micha Feigin]

Does there exist an interactive aplication to make gif animation
(gif89a) for X. 


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Re: Kerberos

[David Z. Maze]

Tod Detre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
TD> Does anyone know where I can get binaries/source for kerberos v4?
TD> I need 4 not 5 'cause 5 is not entirely backwards compatible.

There are krb4 packages on nonus.debian.org.  FWIW, I was using the
krb4 compatibility libraries with krb5 for a while and things worked
reasonably well.  (You can link with -lkrb4 -lkrb5 instead of -lkrb
-ldes and your krb4 applications will still work.)

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Raid controlers

[Tod Detre]

What raid controlers are supported in linux? Is the adaptec AAA-130
series? I'm looking into buying one, so is there a reccomened choice?


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How to install Debian?

[Stef Hoesli Wiederwald]

Our Mailserver runs with Slackware. I want to change to Debian. The
problem is the following: There is no CD-ROM, no floppy disk and no
DOS installed. How can I install Debian from an existing ext2fs
partition. In Installing Debian Linux 2.0 it says to make a floppy if
I want to do this, hmmm

Anybody done this before?

Stef


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Re: Apt problems

[Ed Cogburn]

Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Steve Mayer wrote:
> 
> > Chris,
> >
> >   I ran into this same problem after updating to the lastest
> > libc6_2.0.7r-2.  The dependency in the latest apt is looking for
> > something >= 2.0.7pre1-0.  I guess that it doesn't see 2.0.7r-2 as being
> > "greaterthan or equal to".
> >
> >   Something was posted on this list a few days ago about this being
> > fixed in apt_0.0.17 (or some version like that).  I have not yet seen
> > this available anywhere though.
> >
> 
> It's just out:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/~jgg/apt_0.0.17_i386.deb
> 


The above URL is no longer valid.  The filename has changed.  Try:

http://www.debian.org/~jgg/apt_0.0.17-1_i386.deb


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Samba: password for mapping network drives

[Brian Morgan]

I'm running the nmbd and smbd Samba daemons, and having trouble mapping
a network drive on my windows machine to any of my mounted drives.  I've
tried the following ways of connecting using windows' map utility (i.e.
in explorer):

\\debian\hda#  (where # = appropriate drive partition)
\\debian\usr (or \root, \var, or \usr)

In either case, the map utility prompts me for a password to connect to
these resources.  I've tried the root password, and all the passwords
for individual users, but it always comes back and says, "the password
is incorrect, please try again."  Is there another password that I'm not
aware of that I need to be entering here, or another daemon I'm not yet
running to be able to map a network drive in this way?  The man pages
didn't provide as much help as I wished.

running hamm, 2.0.33 kernel\

Brian

PS:  apologies on posting that ZDnet article earlier.  In the future,
I'll only post the address to such articles (if they're worth it).
Thanks again, everyone for being patient with a newbie.


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Is Netscape Navigator really only for 16-bit color?

[Chip Grandits]

I've installed Netscape Communicator v4.05 on my bo system running Xwindows 
with the FVWM manager.  I don't have any Motif or Motif clones.  When I attempt 
to browse to a page which uses Java, Netscape just crashes immediately and goes 
away.  (No harm to anything else - as far as I can tell).  The one thing I 
turned up from my own research is to ensure that Moz_2.zip is in a particular 
directory ( I think /usr/local/netscape - whatever it said that's where it is 
on my system).  Does anyone know why it's going down?  Do I need some 
additional Java Support Packages besides that which comes with Netscape?  Do I 
need another archive utility for moz_2.zip.  Is there a particular log file I 
can look at to get more info? 

-Thank You,
Chip Grandits

P.S. 
Does anyone know why I have to use 16-bit color depth to have the colors in the 
Communicator Applications come out right?  If I use 24-bit color the Icons and 
other images that are part of Communicator come out in Black and Gray.  (Except 
for Netscape NetHelp which works fine in 24-bit color) 


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Re: Is Netscape Navigator really only for 16-bit color?

[Brian Morgan]

I've noticed the same thing about netscape's color problem.  I believe it will 
work in 16 and 32 bit, but 24 and 8 bit produce the black and white anomalies.

Brian

Chip Grandits wrote:

> I've installed Netscape Communicator v4.05 on my bo system running Xwindows 
> with the FVWM manager.  I don't have any Motif or Motif clones.  When I 
> attempt to browse to a page which uses Java, Netscape just crashes 
> immediately and goes away.  (No harm to anything else - as far as I can 
> tell).  The one thing I turned up from my own research is to ensure that 
> Moz_2.zip is in a particular directory ( I think /usr/local/netscape - 
> whatever it said that's where it is on my system).  Does anyone know why it's 
> going down?  Do I need some additional Java Support Packages besides that 
> which comes with Netscape?  Do I need another archive utility for moz_2.zip.  
> Is there a particular log file I can look at to get more info?
>
> -Thank You,
> Chip Grandits
>
> P.S.
> Does anyone know why I have to use 16-bit color depth to have the colors in 
> the Communicator Applications come out right?  If I use 24-bit color the 
> Icons and other images that are part of Communicator come out in Black and 
> Gray.  (Except for Netscape NetHelp which works fine in 24-bit color)
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Re: Kernel-source dependence

[Ed Cogburn]

Ian Eure wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:58:26AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you think there is a dependence on bin86 missing for the kernel-source
> > > package?
> > >
> > >I was unable to compile the kernel for some thing and sent time digging at 
> > >all
> > > places before I discover I did not install the bin86 package.
> > >
> > >Why wan't bin86 installed? Well I tried to trim the system, leaving out 
> > >package> that don't sound familiar hoping the dependence checking would 
> > >warn me.
> > >
> > > Jieyao  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ICQ 836655
> > >
> >
> > I ran in to the same problem a couple of months ago.  The reason there isn't
> > a dependence on bin86 is because only i386 machines need bin86. The kernel
> > packages themselves are architecture independent, so there was no easy way
> > to specify the dependence on bin86.
> >
> > The way around this problem is to read the documentation that comes with
> > the kernel related packages.  The need for bin86 is pointed out there. I
> > am guessing that you (like me) missed those references.
> Perhaps bin86 should be recommended by kernel-source?
> 


I think there should be a requirement to mention these kinds of unusual
dependencies in the description seen in dselect (and eventually apt).  bin86
is mentioned in the kernel-source-xxx descriptions.  Another example: the
configure script that comes with fetchmail is written in python.  There is
no mention of this dependency anywhere.  Fetchmail itself doesn't require
python, but it isn't obvious from running the config script that it needs
python (it just says file missing).  Not untill you guess that the config
script really is a script and load it into an editor/viewer and look at it
do you see the problem.


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Re: Samba: password for mapping network drives

[dpk]

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Brian Morgan wrote:
   [snip]

   In either case, the map utility prompts me for a password to connect to
   these resources.  I've tried the root password, and all the passwords
   for individual users, but it always comes back and says, "the password
   is incorrect, please try again."  Is there another password that I'm not
   aware of that I need to be entering here, or another daemon I'm not yet
   running to be able to map a network drive in this way?  The man pages
   didn't provide as much help as I wished.
   
Two things to check:
1.  Make sure you have a share name in the smb.conf such that the
filesystem you are attempting to mount is accessible through
samba.  There are various examples in the default smb.conf
already.
2.  Make sure your smb password is up-to-date by running 
'smbpasswd '.  This won't be needed when PAM support is
readded to samba.  See /usr/doc/samba/README.debian for further
details.

There is extensive information in /usr/doc/samba that is not provided
in the manpages.  Hope this helps!

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Re: How to install Debian?

[Ian Eure]

On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 09:46:28PM +0200, Stef Hoesli Wiederwald wrote:
> Our Mailserver runs with Slackware. I want to change to Debian. The
> problem is the following: There is no CD-ROM, no floppy disk and no
> DOS installed. How can I install Debian from an existing ext2fs
> partition. In Installing Debian Linux 2.0 it says to make a floppy if
> I want to do this, hmmm
Interesting. Since the system has to go down for the change, you might want to
rip the case open and pop a floppy in there for the first bit of the install,
then take it out again...

If that isn't an option, you _might_ be able to juggle your partitions around
in the right way and pull it off... The only think I can suggest is to hack
your lilo.conf to load the debian kernel, initrd and rootdisk from your
existing slackware partition, and then... something. Because debian wants to
partition/format it's drives before it needs other stuff you'd have to put on
the drive. If you have anough RAM, you might want to turn your swap partition
into an ext2fs, drop the debian rescue & drivers disk images on it, hack your
bootloader, then reformat all your partitions _except_ the swap, install your
ethernet card driver from the drivers disk on the old swap partition and install
the base package over your 'net connection. But, since I just came up with that,
you might not. :) Theoretically, it should work, but ymmv.

> 
> Anybody done this before?
I don't think anyone else is nearly psychotic enough. ;)

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Re: memory usage and Netscape

[Ed Cogburn]

Mark Panzer wrote:
> 
> Rick Macdonald, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mark Panzer wrote:
> >
> > > Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > > > You mentioned Java applets.
> > > >
> > > > What if you fire up Netscape, and don't look at any web pages other than
> > > > whatever your startup home page is, and just leave it for an hour. Does
> > > > it grow and die? Maybe it's the pages you always visit. Java, animated
> > > > gifs, etc.
> >
> > > if I have 4 Netscape windows open and I just let them open up the
> > > Debian homepage and don't go to any other sites there is no problem.
> > > Then they only use up about 13Meg of Ram and don't even use any swap.
> >
> > > I do believe that when java is loaded my memory usage
> > > jumps enormously.  After java has been running for a while it seems that
> > > its "garbage collection" feature which frees up memory doesn't work
> > > because it starts to gobble up memory at the rate of 10Kbytes per
> > > SECOND!!!
> >
> > OK, you seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that Java is at fault.
> >
> > How about you find one Java page that will do this. Fire up a fresh
> > Netscape, open one browser window, go to that one page, and let it sit
> > there untouched and prove that it is gobbling memory.
> >
> > Then, tell us what that page is. Then, a whole bunch of us can try it out.
> > I can try it on other platforms too, for curiosity (IRIX, Solaris).
> >
> > Although nobody seems to have seen this problem, I bet nobody doubts that
> > a page with Java applets could do this. Java in Linux Netscape has been
> > getting better, but still does weird things.
> >
> I just started doing this here is the URL that I went to:
> 
> www.netbuyer.com
> 
> I noticed the memory usage jump by about 5Meg when navigator was started
> and after just staring at the page for 5 min I noticed the memory usage
> was once again starting to increase.  Thanks for helping me out here.
> 
> Mark Panzer
> 


I saw something similar, it may indeed be the java support that is the
cause.  I sat with top running in one window and NS, looking at
netbuyer.com, running in another window.  I didn't do anything, yet the size
of the netscape process in top's display continuously grew in memory size. 
It went from 20033 to 22000 in about 6-7 mins.  It never went down.  The
same thing didn't happen sitting on a non-java page.


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Re: squake not working

[Ian Lynagh]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jens B. Jorgensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Groovy! I'm glad to be wrong. Several of my colleagues have new Dell laptops

Me too :-)

>sporting NeoMagic chips and lament their XFree86 support. With XFree86 you can 
>only
>use the VGA16 server man does it look like crap!

There are a couple of NeoMagic ones (one DFSG free but not all that
good, the other not DFSG free (due to NDAs), but better (by RedHat)).
I've e-mailed the X maintainer about this and he says that he will
package them, but wants to get X ready for the Debian 2 release first.
Sounds fair enough  :-)

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V98 #536

[Gregory Guthrie]

I just did an upgrade bo --> hamm using autoup.sh.

Amazing. But, there are a number of steps which left me cold; and flipping
a coinn for the right action.

1) during the autoup it had seeral "conflicts", adn it was not clear to me
if I needed to do anything about them. E.g. I think it tried to remove
something that depended on Perl, but I had perl installed, or something...
"dependency problems .. libwww-perl depends on Perl, but perl is not
installed.
  ...  libnet

Anyway, there was no clear indication if all was OK, if it was a comment,
or if some remedial action was needed (later).,

2) After update, it says "now use dselect to upgrade the rest of your
system", then reboot.

?? How do I know what to upgrade? I would like to say; "whatever needs an
upgrade, if I have it installed, do it."
Instead, I had to go through dselect, look at hundreds of packages, try to
remember which I had selected, and decide if they need update. Am I missing
something here?

Greg Guthrie

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Re: Samba: password for mapping network drives

[Brian Morgan]

Can you help me with that share name thing?  Does that go in the global
section?  I've checked the man page for smb.conf, and still couldn't find
anything about this parameter.  I've set the workgroup for the appropriate
windows workgroup name.  Is this what you were talking about?  I've got the
password correct, but now the message comes up
"The share name was not found.  Make sure you typed it correctly."

Thanks again,

Brian

dpk wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Brian Morgan wrote:
>[snip]
>
>In either case, the map utility prompts me for a password to connect to
>these resources.  I've tried the root password, and all the passwords
>for individual users, but it always comes back and says, "the password
>is incorrect, please try again."  Is there another password that I'm not
>aware of that I need to be entering here, or another daemon I'm not yet
>running to be able to map a network drive in this way?  The man pages
>didn't provide as much help as I wished.
>
> Two things to check:
> 1.  Make sure you have a share name in the smb.conf such that the
> filesystem you are attempting to mount is accessible through
> samba.  There are various examples in the default smb.conf
> already.
> 2.  Make sure your smb password is up-to-date by running
> 'smbpasswd '.  This won't be needed when PAM support is
> readded to samba.  See /usr/doc/samba/README.debian for further
> details.
>
> There is extensive information in /usr/doc/samba that is not provided
> in the manpages.  Hope this helps!
>
> Dennis
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Debian T-shirt

[Syed Huq]

Hi,
Where can I buy a Debian T-shirt ??
Syed.

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Radius Questions

[Norbert Veber]

Hi..

I work for a local isp, and am one of the sysadmins.
We use merrit radius, and want to switch over to cistron.  Even though
neither of these are part of debian, we are using debian systems :)
I realize that this has nothing to do with debian-devel, but I thought that
since this is a bit of a more advanced topic, I might find more help there
(this is kind of urgent).  Please do not cc replies to debian-devel.

Questions:

1. We have a group of users that want a 'clean' internet connection.  What
   this means is that they go through a proxy which filters out bad web
   pages.  What we want is for these users to go through a different gateway
   than everyone else (that way they have to use the proxy, or they cant
   look at any web pages).  Is there a way to do this with pppd and radius?

2. We have another group of users that are allowed to login only during
   certain times of the day, and a group that has email-only accounts (and
   they cant login at all).  Both of these have their own group in
   /etc/groups.  Can this be setup with cistron radius without changing the
   source?

3. Today I was trying to get portslave (the cistron radius client) to act like a
   getty.  We use cyclades boards for this.  No matter what I did, it just
   wouldnt work.  Portslave would run from init, it would initialize the
   modem, and just sit there waiting for OK.  If I tell it not to wait for
   the OK (the modem does send it btw),  then it gets past that part, and
   waits for a RING, but it never gets that either, and therefore never sends
   the ATA.  It looks like it can send data to the modem, but not receive. 
   I know that the init string gets sent to the modem because if for example I
   enable auto answer in the init string, the modem auto answers.  
   Any ideas on what could cause this?  We really like the portslave client
   because of features like pap, and countless others, but its useless if it
   doesnt work..  I was able to get it to work with our port servers which
   just telnet into the linux box, telnetd then just uses portslave as its
   login program, but it just doesnt want to work with the modems.  I started 
   thinking that maybe there is something wrong with the version of portslave 
   I have (portslave-1.16.tar.gz).  Any ideas?


PS. We have the cistron radius server (1.5.4.2) working perfectly with our 
old client.  (except for the email only accounts and the such..)


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RE: Linux system Instalation - CRC Error

[Dennis Dai]

I would recommend using loadlin to boot directly from harddisk in this
case. All you need to have is a small DOS partition which you can
repartition later. But keep a DOS partition is not a bad idea in case
anything goes wrong.

Just my 2 cents.

Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Jieyao [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 8:17 PM
> To:   Michael B. Taylor
> Subject:  Re: Linux system Instalation - CRC Error
> 
> 
> I have a feeling that Debian /Linux is particularly sensitive to media
> defect. Even 
> when I use disk that are formatted perfectly in win95, I still get
> error during 
> installing.
> Something retrying works.
> 
> But the easiest way out is to get a new box of floppy. You would need
> 9 disks, 
> about a box.
> 
> BTW, what's the root disk for? I don't think it was used for
> installation.
> 
> > Sounds like you there may be a media defect on the floppy you used
> for the
> > rescue disk.  Use another floppy.  This is pretty common.  
> > 
> > Here is what I do do make a Debian boot floppy set.  It is kinda
> time
> > consuming, but it has pretty much eliminated this kind of problem
> for me.
> > 
> > DOS (Win95, whatever) format the stack of floppys that you plan to
> use for
> > your installation set.  Watch the output messages.  If the format
> program
> > marks any sectors as bad, toss the disk or at least dont use it to
> make
> > your installation set.
> 
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> 
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> Join the Singapore RC5 Effort now!
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ppp PAP question

[Wakko Warner]

I have 2 machines (well, 1 machine 1 isp).  I'd like to use PAP between
them.  in pap-secrets I have:

wakko   lwts...
wakko   bristol ...

"lwts" is my computer at work
"bristol" is the name I received from my ISP.

Doesn't matter how I invoke pppd, the results are the same.  It will always
use the first line (I'm using the default pap-secrets file.  the only mods
were removing the entry at the end and replacing it with the 2 above).

The line I used to invoke pppd:
pppd connect 'chat "" atdt### CONNECT' user wakko /dev/modem 115200

I see no other way to get pppd to send the correct user name.  Obviously,
I'm not going to use my machine name and I'm not going to have my machine
name as my ISP login name.  It seems that it can't get the remote host name
or something...  I don't fully (or half way) understand PAP.

Any ideas?


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key repeat lost on xserver change

[Havoc Pennington]

Hi,

I just installed the I128 server for a new video card, and now keys do not
repeat when they're held down. I'm using the same XF86Config except for
modelines and card differences.

Is this a change in the new X packages? Can it be configured somewhere? Or a
bug in the server?

Thanks!

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mail progress

[Rick Hawkins]

OK, some progress:  I can now send outgoing mail.  seems the university
stopped accepting outgoing mail at mailhub., which they previously
wanted used, and only take it through the pop-[123] servers.  I can send
out, but when i try to send in, it gets bounce by the system, as
follows:



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Re: ppp PAP question

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "WW" == Wakko Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

WW> them.  in pap-secrets I have:

WW> wakko   lwts...
WW> wakko   bristol ...

WW> "lwts" is my computer at work
WW> "bristol" is the name I received from my ISP.
[...]
WW> The line I used to invoke pppd:
WW> pppd connect 'chat "" atdt### CONNECT' user wakko /dev/modem 115200

WW> I see no other way to get pppd to send the correct user name.  Obviously,
WW> I'm not going to use my machine name and I'm not going to have my machine
WW> name as my ISP login name.  It seems that it can't get the remote host name
WW> or something...  I don't fully (or half way) understand PAP.

man pppd says:

remotename name
  Set  the  assumed  name  of  the  remote system for
  authentication purposes to name.

So: a the pap-secrets line should look like:

wakko   myisp   secretpassword

username on remote system = wakko
password for remote system = secretpassword
remote-id of remote system (arbitrary) = myisp

and you have to add "remotename myisp" to your pppd line.

Ciao,
Martin


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3c59x errors

[Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra]

Kernel 2.0.30, full duplex 100baseT, driver options=12, 3Com Vortex
card:

Jun 26 16:50:27 lin kernel: eth0: interrupt, status e011, timer 4. 
Jun 26 16:50:27 lin kernel: eth0: In interrupt loop, status e011. 
Jun 26 16:50:27 lin kernel:In rx_packet(), status e011, rx_status
0108. 
Jun 26 16:50:27 lin kernel: Receiving packet size 264 status 0108. 
Jun 26 16:50:27 lin kernel: eth0: exiting interrupt, status e000. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel: eth0: exiting interrupt, status e000. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel: eth0: interrupt, status e011, timer 6. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel: eth0: In interrupt loop, status e011. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel:In rx_packet(), status e011, rx_status
00d2. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel: Receiving packet size 210 status 00d2. 
Jun 26 18:32:16 lin kernel: eth0: exiting interrupt, status e000. 
Jun 26 18:32:19 lin kernel: eth0: interrupt, status e011, timer 5. 
Jun 26 18:32:19 lin kernel: eth0: In interrupt loop, status e011. 
Jun 26 18:32:19 lin kernel:In rx_packet(), status e011, rx_status
003c. 
Jun 26 18:32:19 lin kernel: Receiving packet size 60 status 003c. 
Jun 26 18:32:19 lin kernel: eth0: exiting interrupt, status e000.


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