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Re: Small teams and other platform positions...
On Sunday 27 March 2005 22:10, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > Yes there should be accessible documentation for what all the teams are > upto and electronic systems could automate a lot of that. But eventually > someone has to monitor the electronic systems and then we are right back > to square one. Only those with an inordinate amount of time will be able > monitor everything. Those without time will have to choose the particular > bits they are informed about and will be at sea and unhelpful on the bits > they don't know about. Just to add a data point: I was able to explain most of the Vancouver controversy to a DD who doesn't follow -devel in 15 minutes telephone time. After my experience with summarizing the -vote discussion I don't think I could do something similar (electronic document) with the Vancouver thread without several days of work. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
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Re: Small teams and other platform positions...
I believe Ean is not arguing about what is the most effective way. He runs his own s/w development company and he knows the value of face to face meetings. The point is, we as Debian team, should not depend on physical meetings as a way to conduct business. If we do, then we are essentially saying that only those developers who are rich enough (in terms of money, time , ability ) to travel are only ones who are worthy of contributing. It has got nothing to do with the amount of work they are putting into Debian. Further, we already have small teams that are responsible for particular tasks - ftpmasters, release team, X Strike force, gcc etc. The primary difference I see is that a few people are advocating physical meetings as "the" way to optimize their jobs and IMHO, that is a very wrong precedent. Regards, Vaidhy PS: Hi Ean, I am back from dead for you :) On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 10:42 +0200, David Schmitt wrote: > On Sunday 27 March 2005 22:10, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > > Yes there should be accessible documentation for what all the teams are > > upto and electronic systems could automate a lot of that. But eventually > > someone has to monitor the electronic systems and then we are right back > > to square one. Only those with an inordinate amount of time will be able > > monitor everything. Those without time will have to choose the particular > > bits they are informed about and will be at sea and unhelpful on the bits > > they don't know about. > > Just to add a data point: I was able to explain most of the Vancouver > controversy to a DD who doesn't follow -devel in 15 minutes telephone time. > After my experience with summarizing the -vote discussion I don't think I > could do something similar (electronic document) with the Vancouver thread > without several days of work. > > > Regards, David -- Vaidhyanathan Mayilrangam Gopalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Small teams and other platform positions...
[Vaidhyanathan Mayilrangam Gopalan] > If we do, then we are essentially saying that only those developers > who are rich enough (in terms of money, time , ability ) to travel > are only ones who are worthy of contributing. It has got nothing to > do with the amount of work they are putting into Debian. This is not really the case. Those spending lots and lots of time and doing lots and lots of work on Debian related activities, do tend to get their travel funded to go to such meetings. The two debian-installer devcamps was funded by Debian Edu. Several of the central people in Debian got their travel to the 2003 and 2004 devcamp/debconf funded by HP, Lindows, Canonical and others. The ftpmaster/release team gathering was funded by Debian Edu. The Custom Debian Distro workshop in Spain will be funded by some Spanish government agency. And these physical meetings have proven effective both as a way to speed up the progress in Debian, and to grease the interaction on-line after the meetings. No-one has proposed to replace all the on-line interaction (email, IRC, etc) with physical meetings. We are talking about giving the existing teams, with the currently active members, an opportunity to meet and talk and coordinate and come up with new ideas, not to exclude everyone else, but as a way to speed up progress. I've been to a few such meetings, and everyone there have been very clear on the need to keep the rest of Debian involved. That is the reason the summaries keep flowing from these meeting, bug reports are created to organize the ideas, design proposals are written and posted on the mailing lists, and the people at these meetings keep hanging out on IRC, reporting what is happening to those unable to join. So I not believe the danger is really present, as all those heavily involved in Debian are aware of the importance of keeping the development process open to all the capable people in the Debian community. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Small teams and other platform positions...
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Vaidhyanathan Mayilrangam Gopalan] > > If we do, then we are essentially saying that only those developers > > who are rich enough (in terms of money, time , ability ) to travel > > are only ones who are worthy of contributing. It has got nothing to > > do with the amount of work they are putting into Debian. > > This is not really the case. Those spending lots and lots of time and > doing lots and lots of work on Debian related activities, do tend to > get their travel funded to go to such meetings. The two How to you fund the time people need to travel to and stay at the meetings? > No-one has proposed to replace all the on-line interaction (email, > IRC, etc) with physical meetings. We are talking about giving the Given the answers (and non-answers) to replies of the Vancouver prospectus, I wonder if some people have not simply decided otherwise. Regards, Joey -- Testing? What's that? If it compiles, it is good, if it boots up, it is perfect. Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Small teams and other platform positions...
[Martin Schulze] > How to you fund the time people need to travel to and stay at the > meetings? Until now, we haven't. As I said, those already investing lots of time into Debian tend to get their travel and lodging expenses covered to join the meetings in questions. Experience have shown that at least some of these are able to re-prioritize their time to be able to join these meetings. I'm aware that some people want/need to have their lost work-time funded as well. Those unable or unwilling to spend holiday or talking days/hours off in exchange for working overtime do have a problem joining such meetings. But at least in my head it is a question of priorities. As far as I know, most of us joining the d-i devcamp spent our holiday to go there. Those of us going to the debian-edu devcamp coming up in Greece or the CDD devcamp in Spain do the same. So I offer my holidays and time, and get the travel and lodging funded in return. I do not believe this is such a bad bargin. :) > Given the answers (and non-answers) to replies of the Vancouver > prospectus, I wonder if some people have not simply decided > otherwise. I was unable to read all the thousands of email flooding in after the proposal, so I'm not really sure what you are referring to here. But I do not believe anything is set in stone yet. I'm glad to see the positive results from the meeting; a revitalisation of the ftpmaster team and better coordination between the ftpmasters and the release team with regard to the upcoming Sarge release. With that background, I do not see the point of writing so much about the thoughts presented for the Etch release. I see it as a tactical blunder to post both these points in the same email, as the latter took the focus away from the former. And in hindsight, I also believe it would have been better to write down more of the thoughts behind the Etch proposal and make it easier to understand that the text was a proposal to solve the release problems as seen by the release team and the ftp-mastesr, not the only solution. [Btw, it has been brought to my attention that several people believe I am paid by debian-edu to work on Debian. This is not the case. I've been working full time at the University of Oslo since 2001, doing Debian work in my spare time. This is about to change, as I will be working 40% for Skolelinux from April 1th. Debian Edu have only two Debian developers working full time on Debian Edu and Debian stuff: Joey Hess and Andreas Schuldei. (And two others working on political stuff here in Norway. :)] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
