yaboot partition + /boot partition ?
For my "Debian on PowerBook", I'd like my / partition to be placed in an LVM volume. But it seems that yaboot is not able to load the kernel from an LVM volume, so it seems I'll have to have a separate /boot partition. This /boot would most naturally use ext2/ext3, but a more appealing solution would be to make /boot into an hfsplus partition so I can put yaboot in it as well. Yet, the yaboot documentation says: While it's possible to install yaboot on a mountable HFS /boot partition, that configuration is deprecated, discouraged and completely unsupported. Does anyone know *why* this is discouraged? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: yaboot partition + /boot partition ?
> As I remember it, the biggest issue was that if you mark it as a type > of Apple_HFS so that you can mount it from macos it will become > unbootable after it gets mounted by the macos. Right, this is well documented, but unrelated: I'm talking about mounting the Apple_bootstrap partition as /boot under GNU/Linux, not changing its type to Apple_HFS. > One of the reasons people wanted yaboot on /boot was to write new > kernels and configs from the macos. ??? I mean /boot under GNU/Linux. I don't want to mount it under Mac OS X (except maybe manually if I need to fix a problem that prevents booting into GNU/Linux). > I think there were also worries about corrupting the filesystem due to > bugs in the hfs and/or hfsplus drivers in Linux. Is that still relevant today? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
`ondemand' not working: what to use
On my G4, I notice that the in-kernel cpufreq governors refuse to work supposedly because the G4 takes too much time switching frequency. So what else should I use? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: PowerBook G4 12"
> "Logan" == Logan Airth writes: > Good morning. I recently acquired a PowerBook G4 12" and I was thinking I finally installed Debian (testing) on my PB 12" G4 a few weeks ago. I followed the directions at http://philobsd.free.fr/Debian/branden.html for how to install without going through the trouble of burning a CD. It's very easy: basically place the yaboot and installer files in an HFS+ partition, then reboot into OpenFirmware and tell openfirmware to boot from those files. It went fairly smoothly, except for some problems due to my using LVM: the installer didn't realize that yaboot was not going to be able to read the kernel and initrd from the LVM /boot volume. So if you like to use LVM, just make sure that the /boot directory is not in an LVM partition. So basically, I ended up needing 1 HFS partition for yaboot, then 1 ext3 partition for /boot and another partition for LVM (subdivided at will). > Also it is not very clear what would be the best version of Debian to > install. Would it be better for me to install the Stable version or the > testing version? I like testing better: it's more uptodate, and you can upgrade any time, so your upgrades can be very small if you do them often. > And finally would there be any recommendations for alternatives to Debian? What else is there? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
What is pbbuttonsd used for nowadays?
I notice that my Debian testing install includes pbbuttonsd and starst it at boot. But looking at the home page of that project, it seems that what it offers is already provided by other parts of the system nowadays. So is it still useful, and if so for what? Stefan PS: Running on a PowerBook G4 12". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is pbbuttonsd used for nowadays?
>> - backlight dimming is handled by gnome >> - "function" keys are very well handled by xorg & gnome >> - suspend to ram is handled by gnome-power-manager >> What else do you need ? > Not everyone's using Gnome. I'm not arguing for/against pbbuttonsd. I just see that a lot of what it provides is already provided in a machine-agnostic way by other parts of the system (be it Gnome/KDE or more core parts of the system). I think it would be good if someone who understands these issues could complete the pbbuttonsd webpage&documentation describing how it differs and/or interacts with other programs providing overlapping functionality. E.g. is pbbuttonsd's cpu throttling similar to what cpufreqd/powernowd do or does it work differently? What about the comparison with the kernel's "ondemand" scaling governor (tho this doesn't work on my G4, so it's maybe not a relevant question)? What happens if two of them are installed at the same time? How does pbbuttonsd's hard-disk power save compare to the usual laptop-mode thingy? For someone like myself who uses Debian on a variety of platforms, it'd help me figure out how best to adapt my generic Debian config. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is pbbuttonsd used for nowadays?
I'm glad you're happy with pbbuttonsd. My questions have nothing to do with whether pbbuttonsd is good or bad. Stefan >>>>> "Børge" == Børge Holen writes: > On 31. jan.. 2009, at 22.20, Stefan Monnier > wrote: >>>> E.g. is pbbuttonsd's cpu throttling similar to what cpufreqd/ >>>> powernowd >>>> do or does it work differently? What about the comparison with the >>>> kernel's "ondemand" scaling governor (tho this doesn't work on my G4, so >>>> it's maybe not a relevant question)? What happens if two of them are >>>> installed at the same time? >>> Non issue, leave it to the kernel >> >> I do not know what you mean. Are you saying "pbbuttonsd's cpu >> throttling functionality is useless, use the `ondemand' governor to let >> the kernel take care of it"? > No, not useless. Still i like easy and functions further up the tree if you > catch my drift >> >> >> If so, it doesn't apply to the G4 since the G4 isn't able to switch >> frequency quickly enough for the kernel's scaling governors to be used. > Ok, i'll be sure to let my computer know that. >> >> >>>> How does pbbuttonsd's hard-disk power save compare to the usual >>>> laptop-mode thingy? >>> Also a kernel thingy >> >> Actually, not only: the kernel provides ways to save power, but how and >> when to use them is generally under the control of userspace tools. > You sure want to confuse the discussion with minor importances. Want to > discuss X' mouse handling to? >> >> >> But IIUC you're saying that pbbuttonsd's hard-disk power saving >> functionality is made redundant by laptop-mode? > No. I still like easy and functions to be handeled as early as possible > making me run less annoying program and daemons >> >> Is it also the case that pbbuttonsd makes laptop-mode redundant? > Now you are fetching straws to discuss boring subjects >> >> >>>> For someone like myself who uses Debian on a variety of platforms, it'd >>>> help me figure out how best to adapt my generic Debian config. >>> For the sake of EASY handling of button functions... There shines >>> pbbuttonsd >> >> I believe you. But I don't know what "buttons" you're talking about, nor >> do I know what is their "function". And I'm not even sure what you mean >> by "EASY" (tho I guess you mean "without any manual configration"). > Manual configurations is ok. > Still, changing the light with proc or whatever with numbers 1-255 is kinda > stupid. Btw now you come out as somewhat a bit dense. You've read the posts > on this current topic you started? > Apt-get install pbbuttonsd once is easy and every little marking and symbol > on my keyboard works >> >> Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: where install the bootstrap partition in the partition table ?
> n° 1 32,3 kB Apple > 134,2 mega Espace libre or free space > n° 3 42,7 giga hfs+ Apple_HFS_Un > 134,2 mega Espace libre or free space > n° 5 42,7 giga hfs+ Apple_HFS_Un > 134,2 mega Espace libre or free space > n° 7 42,8 giga hfs+ Apple_HFS_Un > 31,5 giga Espace libre or free space Any of those free spaces will do, the Apple_bootstrap partition needs less than 1MB (I used a similar free space, split it into two: a 1MB HFS one for Apple_bootstrap, and the rest for an ext3 /boot partition). Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: where install the bootstrap partition in the partition table ?
> A /boot partition is not needed (nor used) and is a waste of space for > new world apple ppc machines, you only need 800k for an HFS Apple > Bootstrap partition and that's it. I suggest (again) reading: A /boot partition is needed for PPC in the same cases where it's needed for x86: e.g. when your / partition is on a device (or uses a filesystem) that the boot loader doesn't know how to handle/access. In my case / is on an LVM volume. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: PowerBook G4 12"
> I don't think, that Linux shows better perfomance than Mac OS X on an > G4, but I didn't measure any benchmarks and who knows ... It's mostly true, except that GNU/Linux gives you more choice in terms of applications and desktop environment, some of which are much more lightweight and adapted to such machines. Also the HFS+ filesystem sucks performancewise (especially if you use many hardlinks, in which case it really performs terribly), so you may see a significant performance difference there. Back when I used GNU Arch, I would often see a 10x speed difference between GNU/Linux and MacOSX (tho it's probably a pathological situation). Of course, MacOSX is also faster in other cases (3D graphics comes to mind). Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: osx > debian > osx problem
> After (unsucessfully) trying to configure wlan and x-windows, I decided that > for my purposes OS X might be the easier to use system (ok, I admit that > I was probably a bit lazy looking for solutions here ;p ) This is a Debian list, so I'd rather help you get WLAN and X11 running in Debian than go back to OSX. What problems did you encounter? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Need to wipe/erase hard drive of iBook G4
> drive, then execute "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda" in a shell. You'll have > to (i) wait a really freaking long time, and (ii) set up a new partition You'll be bette off with "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda", BTW since you can then check the progress via "kill -USR1", so the freaking-long-time becomes more manageable (otherwise, you may end up wondering after running the thing for several hours, whether it's actually working and will end at some point or whether it's stuck somewhere). Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: installing debian on an: Apple PowerBook G4 550 (Gigabit - Ti)
> Can i get to the console from yaboot? Normally, you can do that by specifying the runlevel from the yaboot prompt. Basically if you normally type "linux" to boot your kernel, try "linux 1" or "linux single". Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: view flash website
> Now, i must to view flash websites. Gnash (please forgive) is horrible. > You have a suggestion? Help the Gnash developers make it better? Lobby Adobe to Free their Flash player? Lobby the relevant webmasters so they use something else than Flash? View other sites (it's not like there's a shortage, is there?)? Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: installing debian on an: Apple PowerBook G4 550 (Gigabit - Ti)
> i have /etc/X11/xorg.conf empty. > someone said to copy it from > http://theapt.org/openbsd/xorg.conf I'd recommend not to do that at first. Rather keep your xorg.conf empty to start with, and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what went wrong on the previous attempt to launch X. There you'll see which driver was used and what it said. Searching for WW and EE in that file is a good starting point. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: view flash website
> You're right! Anyway, i'm a graphic designer. For my job I need > a rule, a pencil, a sheet of paper, and unfortunely the Adobe > tools. :) i MUST to view flash website because -as you known- Adobe > fix some standards for the web market. I understand you may feel like you don't have a choice, given your situation in life, but if you care about your freedom then you also MUST stay away from propietary technology. Both of those "MUST" are really personal choices, with far reaching consequences. > And, for your consideration, every three days i want to visit You > tube, Vimeo website, myspace, and so on web services that use > a flash tecnology. I don't visit these sites very much, but Gnash played all the youtube videos I've visited in the last year, without any particular problem. > Many people use this services, every day. > All stupids? Why would you say that? At least I haven't said anything that should lead you to the conclusion that I consider those people stupid. > Anyway, you right. I need to shutdown my debian, when i MUST to visit > flash websites. Using another system might indeed be the only current solution to viewing those websites, indeed. This may also require shutting down debian (tho maybe you can hibernate instead, or run the other system in mac-on-linux?). But if you don't like that solution, then you may also consider in parallel doing one of the things I suggested: Help the Gnash developers make it better? Lobby Adobe to Free their Flash player? Lobby the relevant webmasters so they use something else than Flash? View other sites (it's not like there's a shortage, is there?)? so as to try and get this problem solved in the future. > Repeat: "i must". I hope that the future is better. Things don't happen magically, people make them happen. So if you want your hope to become reality, you may want to try and help those people who're trying to make it happen. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Booting from USB Drive
> I have a PowerBook G4. Is there any way to get it to boot from USB drive. IIUC it depends on your "PowerBook G4". E.g. my PowerBook 12" G4 was not able to boot from USB last time I tried. But admittedly, I only tried using the "boot menu" rather than via OF commands. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: LVM and copy to another system....
> I have a Debian system running on my trusty TiBook but would like to > move to a dual 450Mhz Mystic. > I have an external disk mounted on the TiBook... which is cloned from the > internal disk. > I have tried to mount (as system/boot disk) the external disk on the > Mystic.. but get an error with "no such volname /dev/mapper/ munin" (munin > is the name of the TiBook) > What are the typical gotcha's for this ?? (which I undoubtedly have stumbled > into.) If you cloned the whole disk naively with `dd', then you probably bumped into the fact that LVM partitions and volumes need to have unique UUIDs (and names). So as long as both disks are connected, you'll get conflicts and LVM will only use one of the two disks. Chek pvs, vgscan, ... Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Any hope for Skype on an iMac G4 with Squeeze?
> I really need access to Skype on it. SIP applications like Ekiga, Linphone, and friends should work just fine on it. And SIP being open, you get a lot more competition and hence lower rates if you want to call land-lines. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwv8vbcildk.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.ports.powe...@gnu.org
