Re: upgrading to unstable
Whiterabbit wrote: > ...and every time I've recived your same error from libpam... I solved it with dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam* and then apt-get dist-upgrade again. Worked for me upgrading directly to unstable. Of course your mileage may vary... Regards, Ismael
Re: keycodes
Julien Kirmaier wrote: Must be a lack of coffee. A serious drawback... ;) Regards, Ismael
Re: system time
Jule Slootbeek escribio el 14/07/03 06:39: Is there a way to have gnome get the time from a time server? # apt-get install ntpdate Will be enough. Then, find a reliable time server. I live in Spain but I use ntp.univ-lyon1.fr which never lets me down. Not sure if I am fully authorized to use that. ;) Regards, Ismael
Plain kernel source versus PowerPC patches
Hi, I just downloaded kernel-source-2.4.21 from unstable. I know I could build a kernel for my B&W G3 using just this, but I am aware of the existance of both kernel-patch-2.4.21-powerpc and kernel-patch-benh. I wonder which advantages would I get using each (I count on not being posible aplying both, maybe I am wrong on this). Sorry if this is a FAQ. :P Regards, Ismael
kernel-patch-2.4.21-powerpc
Hi, I am trying to build a customized kernel using kernel-package. My currently installed kernel-image-2.4.21-powerpc prays having been compiled using kernel-patch-2.4.21-powerpc. But if I download and install it, I can't guess the means to apply it. This creates a directory /usr/src/kernel-patches/powerpc/, and inside the apply and unpatch subdirectories appears a 0powerpc. That digit seems to mean that this is to be applied by a run-parts script, but when I run make-kpkg kernel-image, is seems like the patch is not applied (it should leave traces under the debian subdirectory at the main kernel-source directory). I have tried running ../kernel-patches/powerpc/apply/0powerpc before make-kpkg, and bizarrely enough I have compilation errors. For compiling, I use exactly the original /boot/config-2.4.21-powerpc placed by the kernel-image package. $ dpkg -l kernel* | grep ^ii ii kernel-doc-2.4 2.4.21-2 Linux kernel specific documentation for vers ii kernel-image-2 2.4.21-1 Linux kernel binary image. ii kernel-package 8.042 A utility for building Linux kernel related ii kernel-patch-2 20030706-1 Reduces the latency of the Linux kernel ii kernel-patch-2 20030617-4 Reduces the latency of the Linux kernel ii kernel-patch-2 2.4.21-1 Diffs to the kernel source for PowerPC ii kernel-patch-s 0.99.27Scripts to help dealing with packaged kernel ii kernel-source- 2.4.21-2 Linux kernel source for version 2.4.21 with I see kernel-source version is 2.4.21-2 but kernel-patch version is 2.4.21-1, could this be the reason? Any ideas? Regards, Ismael
Re: kernel-patch-2.4.21-powerpc
Jens Schmalzing escribio el 16/07/03 11:58: make-kpkg --added-patches powerpc kernel-image This works for other patches (lowlatency,preempt) but that would look for a script called powerpc, and de script indeed is called 0powerpc. make-kpkg --added-patches 0powerpc kernel-image Moreover, this would lead to compile errors. This strange behaviour is what messes me. Regards, Ismael
XKB and spanish keyboard
Hi, My factory default B&W G3 spanish keyboard is not supported by the XFree86 installer. I solve this manually loading a .Xmodmap created from scratch. However, my XFree86 from unstable uses something called XKB, so my .Xmodmap is not automatically loaded at startup. How can I tweak the XKB mappings? Any mapping for the spanish G3 keyboard available? I'd like to know about spanish users, out there... Regards, Ismael
Enabling video card hardware acceleration
Hi, First of all, sorry if this has been discussed previously. I had no luck finding complete information searching the archives. I'd like to be sure that I am using my video card at its full performance. I own a G3 B&W (Yosemite) that is geared by the common ATI Rage 128. I find that video performance seems very low. I am running kernel-image-2.4.20-powerpc, and when starting X, log says things as follows: drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module "r128" (II) R128(0): [drm] drmOpen failed (EE) R128(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. So, I search under /lib/modules and see that indeed r128.o is nowhere. So I download kernel-source-2.4.20 and kernel-patch-2.4.20-powerpc, and configure the kernel as I would using a common PC. When compiling, I get errors from agpgart_be.c. Googling this, I find references on AGP not being supported by any PowerPC 2.4 kernel! Is this information precise? What if I compile and use DRI using the r128.o without the agpgart.o module being available, is this a serious drawback? What about benh kernels? Then I find these links: http://dri.sourceforge.net/ http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/ Is these stuff useful for me? I am running Debian Sid. Please note that by now I only refer to enabling DRI, I just need the full 2D performance, but maybe later I will worry about OpenGL, Mesa, and stuff like those! Are we Debian PowerPC users ready? Quoting Leandro, "Am I being exceedingly stupid?" ;) Thanks for any useful info. Regards, Ismael
Re: Enabling video card hardware acceleration
Michel Dänzer escribio el 21/07/03 03:01: > As has been discussed here recently: Sorry about this. > The benh and linuxppc-2.5 trees are the only ones with an agpgart > driver for the UniNorth chipset so far, but r128 DRI tends to be > unstable with AGP anyway, and it works perfectly with PCI GART. > Disable AGP in the kernel config, or just install > kernel-image-2.4.21-powerpc, which should include the r128 DRM. Yes, the problem is that I also needed kernel-source-2.4.21 in order to compile ALSA, and kernel compilation fails when kernel-patch-2.4.21-powerpc is applied! Now I have my own compiled kernel-image-2.4.20 with r128 and DRI works. > The DRI doesn't make much difference for that. So, XAA is the only support for 2D acceleration in the XFree86 system? Or once again I am messing things? I am trying to evaluate latency for my system, and x11perf kills its performance! Regards, Ismael
Measuring latency on my Apple G3
Hi, I am trying latencytest-0.42-png.tar.gz for measuring latency on my Apple G3 (Debian/Sid PowerPC). Of course I am enabling USE_GENERIC_TIMER and tuning my hard disk using hdparam before tests. But, results show a very poor performance. Indeed, any X11 stressing involves a raise of the latency and lots of dropouts. I can't blame hardware. Apple hardware is top-class, and this same machine features under 1,5 ms of latency using CoreAudio on Mac OS X. So, whether the PowerPC kernel or X11 are not fully optimized, or the latencytest application is not reliable on non-Intel platforms. Any ideas? Sorry for crossposting... ;) Regards, Ismael
Re: Enabling video card hardware acceleration
Michel Dänzer escribio el 21/07/03 12:55: Well, what do you expect from a synthetic benchmark designed to measure throughput? Help me on this, what was I exactly expecting? :P Regards, Ismael
Re: Measuring latency on my Apple G3
Michel Dänzer escribio el 21/07/03 13:09: First of all, you mentioned in another post that you use x11perf to create X11 stress. Are there also problems with real world apps? "Real world" apps work properly (except for the Gnome theme manager which displays garbage). I only find video performance using Linux a lot lower than using any of the Mac OS's. Also keep in mind that neither the vanilla 2.4 kernel nor the X server were designed for low latency. Have you tried the low latency and/or O(1) scheduler kernel patches, and not running the X server with negative nice values if you are? Both of those patches (A. Morton and R. Love's ones) were applied to my kernel. I don't know about running the X server with different nice values, which advantage would I get? (I am using gdm as my X session manager). Last but possibly not least of all, the dmasound driver has been less prone to dropouts in my experience than the ALSA driver. I should try with pure OSS. Let's not forget that the latency test suite is using the OSS compatibility layer of ALSA. Thanks a lot. Any feedback is still very useful. Regards, Ismael
Re: Measuring latency on my Apple G3
Michel Dänzer escribio el 22/07/03 02:22: Probably a GTK bug, not related to this thread. I know, I know... ;) Which isn't very surprising, as they can use parts of the graphics chip that we don't have specs for, for one. Sure. Only I remember having installed Mandrake 9.1, and I think video performance was somewhat better. Maybe I am wrong and memory cheats... Beware that at least the low latency patch needs fiddling with arch/ppc/config.in to actually be enabled (check with grep LOLAT .config), and that the preempt patch (which I assume you mean by R. Love's) actually made things worse for me when I tried it on PPC a while ago. This may have been fixed in the meantime though. You're right! First line in the patch file says: arch/i386/config.in |3 + So the patch to the config.in file is only applied automatically for the i386 architecture. Indeed CONFIG_LOLAT_SYSCTL was not in my .config, so should I paste this manually into arch/ppc/config.in? Would this be enough? And about the preempt, patch, well, it seems I still have enough tests to perform so I can spend my holydays safely. > YMMV IJLUW (indeed, just like using Windows!) ;) Regards, Ismael
Re: Measuring latency on my Apple G3
Michel Dänzer escribio el 22/07/03 21:13: What exactly do you mean by 'video performance', anyway? Well, a faster and cleaner dragging of windows, in example. Look at the arch/i386/config.in hunk and merge it into arch/ppc/config.in, or try the attached patch. Then, make oldconfig and so on. I have merged manually the needed hunk. Right now I am creating a packaged kernel, so far so good. Thanks a lot Michel, your feedback is very useful for me. Regards, Ismael
Re: Measuring latency on my Apple G3
Michel Dänzer escribio el 22/07/03 23:03: Using the same window manager etc. ? 2D acceleration (in particular 'Screen to screen bit blits') is active, isn't it? As soon as it is posible for me, I will install Mandrake 9.1 PowerPC again, compile new feelings, and get their X config and logs. Changing the nice value for the X server doesn't make a noticeable difference in latency for me (neither raising nor lowering it). Obviously a nice value larger than 0 even makes XFree86 very uncomfortable to use. By the way, default nice value for the X server was -10, that is, higher priority than the rest of processes in the system. Can "UseFBDev" be disabled using the "ati" driver? Do you think this would make a noticeable difference in performance? Thanks for any feedback. Regards, Ismael
Poll: Distro for audio and MIDI development
Hi, I am somewhat new to Linux low-level development. I have developed for other UNIX systems before, and also for Windows NT and for JavaCard compatible smartcards. I have used (and enjoyed) Debian for a long time as a Linux user and for web development. Getting into low-level development, I find Debian sid slightly more unstable than I would find myself entirely comfortable programming with. I have tried Mandrake for Intel and PowerPC platforms and also enjoyed it as an user. Unluckily, latest Mandrake is not very well supported for PowerPC platforms, and my computer at home is an Apple G3 (even now, I know Mandrake 9.1 will be the last PowerPC version). There is no Red Hat for us (though I know about but not tried Yellow Dog). I dream about a development setup as stable but also as updated as posible. I'd like to know about your development setup, being whatever the platform (Intel, PowerPC, etc.), distros you like for development, whether if you use packaged drivers and libraries or latest versions compiled from snapshots or even CVS, also about packaged, stable or development, unstable kernels, etc. Any feedback will be very useful. Thanks in advance. Regards, Ismael
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll: Distro for audio and MIDI development
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren escribe el 24/07/03 09:49:
from a subjective point of view
Please note that I am into Internet forums and mailing lists because I
am most interested in subjective points of view. :)
Maarten De Boer wrote:
This is a nice coincidence, because I just installed Debian Sid
('unstable') on my home workstation.
Personally, I run unstable on workstations both at home (AmigaOne)
and at work (P4 PC), but I have both Woody and Sarge installed, one
on each of my RS/6k workstations.
Another coincidence. Finnaly I am staying at Debian Sid as my
development platform. First of all, it is not much more "unstable" than
Mandrake (I again tried its nice 9.1), second of all, I am on the
bleeding edge and I want to develop using the latest technologies
available for linux, third of all, testing "testing" or testing
"unstable" and reporting bugs is a nice way of supporting its development.
Sid is "unstable" so shouldn't use for work, but come on.
Sid is "unstable" so their developers don't recommend you using it in an
environment where stability is a must. Full stop.
Anyway, choosing Debian was ok for a lot of people, but there's
always someone who just CAN'T keep from buying newer and bigger and
better, so suddenly we had a gazillion users with Radeon 8x00 and
9x00 cards out there.
I don't know about other countries, but here in Spain we have the added
problem that many cutting edge hardware is often provided by unreliable
OEM. It even sometimes can't be put working using retail drivers for
Windows, so you can do the math about the results using Linux drivers...
The problem is that when one distribution is named "stable", people
who are new to Debian think the others must suck badly.
Maybe. Anyway, it makes sense calling it "stable". I find a Debian Woody
server running over good PC hardware (Intel chipset, branded memory,
etc.) as powerful and reliable as any HP-UX or even Solaris out there.
Well, as far as I know, "sid" is not only the name of a Toy Story
character, but also an acronym for "system in development". I would call
the three flavours "stable", "testing" and "development" and leave apart
the word "unstable" which most often is not proper.
Sorry for the rant, but I feel Debian has some way to go before our
marketing skills are on par with the other distributions.
Debian doesn't need "marketing skills" as it is not a company.
Regards, Ismael
Tux'n'Tosh
Hi, Tux'n'Tosh is a set of icons and backgrounds for your Apple computer with a Linux taste. I'll say it again, Tux'n'Tosh is a set of icons and backgrounds for your Linux computer with an Apple taste. :) http://art.gnome.org/screenshots/19.php http://www.sadeem.net/tux.html Regards, Ismael
Re: debian on ibook g4??
El domingo, 30 de noviembre de 2003, a las 13:11, Giuseppe Sacco escribió: > I think it isn't a matter of speed. It is a matter of freedom and > usability. It is up to you to select the OS you like. Yes, but it is also a matter of speed. Mac OS X almost renders my Yosemite G3 unusable... Regards, Ismael -- `Tout fourmille de commentaries; d'autheurs il en est grande cherté.' signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: dns zone transfer (was: public key is not available)
Hans Ekbrand escribe: > I took the "host -l pgp.net"-method from the default .gnupg/options, is > there anything wrong with that method? Yes. It works for very few people. I'm at Spain and I always use pgp.rediris.es which is very complete and transfers very fast. I encourage people to guess which PGP server's in their country, if any, even if it isn't a pgp.net host. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange pgp0hPMvvCLuF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ifrename
Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot escribe: > Warning: Interface name is `eth0' at line 5, can't be mapped reliably. On a laptop PC I always get this warning but ifrename always work. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wireless-tools/+bug/16538 Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange pgpKH5g7UrkK1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ifrename
Johannes Berg escribe: > On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 23:25 +0100, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: > > > /etc/init.d/ifrename start > > Warning: Interface name is `eth0' at line 5, can't be mapped reliably. > > > > Most of the time ifrename works in spite of the message, but some times > > it does not work (the wireless iface isn't renamed to eth0 and sungem is > > the driver associated with eth0). > > > > Any ideas why this can be happening? > > I think this is because you're not supposed to rename to ethX since that > is a kernel name. See, let's say ifrename is run when you already have > eth1 and eth0 but in the wrong order... > > johannes If I rename an interface to `wlan0' I get the same error even if this isn't a kernel name. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange pgpsSB9MrrRYf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Having left option key as AltGr
Using a B&W G3 with a spanish keyboard running Sarge. Which way to do it running X? Will it work the same if using Gnome? Cordially, Ismael -- Tout fourmille de commentaries, d'auteurs il en est grande chert? http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ pgpUIN4lFnEfz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [2.6.12-rc4] gnome-volume-manager is broken?
On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 08:40:06PM +0200, Jack Malmostoso wrote: > Anybody has this experience too? Also here sometimes running 2.6.8-powerpc. The funny point is that /proc/scsi/scsi lists a Direct-Access device at scsi2, but /dev/sda2 is not created. Cordially, Ismael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gpm running with PC-like parameters
For me, it's quite surprising that gpm works perfectly with device as /dev/psaux and type as autops2. This is a B&W G3 where mice should be at /dev/input/mice and the type should be... Anything else? Any feedback welcome! Cordially, Ismael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gpm running with PC-like parameters
I am decided to start evangelizing my online contacts so they allow me using just Jabber as IM client. Up to now I only used my Jabber account on Gaim. I know that with a specialized Jabber client I could do things like SSL or GnuPG encryption, or testing the protocol using "raw" XML data. I wonder which Jabber client do you recommend me and why. "iChat" is not a useful response. :) Cordially, Ismael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Local time shifted, hardware clock issue?
Since DST started, local time when running Debian is one hour behind local time running Mac OS X (which is the one correct). It seems to me like if time stored in the hardware clock of my G3 is neither local time, nor GMT, and that OS X knows how to deal with it. Any feedback is welcome, thanks in advance. Cordially, Ismael
