Re: Yet another G4 iBook newbie

[Barry Hawkins]

On Nov 30, 2003, at 11:01 AM, Diana Galletly wrote:


Sorry for the new thread about this; there don't seem to have
been any messages to the old one since I joined the mailing
list so ...

I've got a G4 iBook 800 MHz 12.1" TFT screen (ATI Mobility
Radeon 9200 graphics card) which I am trying to install
woody on (I'd rather not go for sid if it can at all be
helped).  I followed Colin Leroy's instructions on getting
X built from CVS (including rebuilding the radeon.o module).
I also downloaded the g4-ibook-radeonfb-m9.diff mentioned
on www.difficulties.de/ibook/ and applied that patch to
the 2.4.23-pre5-ben0 (or wherever the hyphens should be!)
kernel that I wished to install.

Since applying the patch I have nasty flickering in console
mode which I didn't have before.  X (as before) fails to
start on boot; xf86cfg didn't run before I applied the
patch but now appears to start up as a horizontal bar across
the middle of the screen necessitating a reboot (this may
be because I can't switch between virtual consoles using
alt-f2 etc. -- any fixes for this known of?).

All in all I'm feeling pretty despondent -- I've been trying
to get this beastie installed for a week now (not the best
week to pick, I admit!) and I feel like I'm getting nowhere
fast, so all help gratefully received ...

Diana.


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Diana,
	I am with you on the despondent thing; I am learning via the 
head-into-brick-wall path on my PowerBook G4 17" 1GHz with its 
oh-so-fun nVidia card.  I saw you mention the need to switch virtual 
consoles - for me, the key combination is ctrl + alt (option), then fn 
+ [F1...F7].  However, I have not tried switching virtual consoles when 
X is trying to start.  I read somewhere that you can try, since it 
usually goes to your 7th virtual console.  Best wishes to you.


Regards,
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Disappearance of experimental packages in dselect

[Barry Hawkins]

	I have been trying to get XFree86 4.3 installed on my 17" PowerBook 
G4.  I am using a 2.4.23 benh kernel, and my sources.list is as 
follows:


deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb ftp://debian.mirrors.pair.com unstable main
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/debian/project/experimental/ 
main/binary-powerpc/

deb http://http.us.debian.org/ ../project/experimental main
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/ ../project/experimental main

	The problem is that the xserver and xfree86 packages for 4.3.0.1 are 
no longer appearing in dselect.  An initial install as I was learning 
to use dselect ended up with mostly 4.3.0.1 packages but some 4.2.1 
packages, so I purged all of the x-related packages.  Afterward, only a 
couple of library packages like libmesa and another one from the 
4.3.0.1 packages in experimental are showing up.  Any idea what I might 
be doing wrong?


Regards,
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Re: Disappearance of experimental packages in dselect

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 2, 2003, at 7:50 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 04:52, Barry Hawkins wrote:


The problem is that the xserver and xfree86 packages for 4.3.0.1 are
no longer appearing in dselect.  An initial install as I was learning
to use dselect ended up with mostly 4.3.0.1 packages but some 4.2.1
packages, so I purged all of the x-related packages.  Afterward, only 
a

couple of library packages like libmesa and another one from the
4.3.0.1 packages in experimental are showing up.  Any idea what I 
might

be doing wrong?


You're using dselect. :) Seriously though, if

apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86

shows the experimental version, I recommend trying an APT frontend like
aptitude.


Michel,
	Thanks for the suggestion.  Here is the output of the command you 
suggested:


localhost:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86
xserver-xfree86:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4.2.1-14
  Version Table:
 4.3.0-0pre1v4 0
  1 ftp://ftp.debian.org main/binary-powerpc/ Packages
  1 http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main 
Packages

 4.2.1-14 0
500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
500 ftp://debian.mirrors.pair.com unstable/main Packages

	So, when one has two versions of a package, how does said one imply 
the installation of a particular version?  Also, what are those 
integers prefacing the URIs beneath the version numbers, 1 and 500?  I 
have to wait until tonight to install aptitude.  Is it really that much 
better at dealing with my issue than dselect?


Diligently,
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Barry C. Hawkins
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Re: Disappearance of experimental packages in dselect

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 16:37, Barry Hawkins wrote:

On Dec 2, 2003, at 7:50 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:

On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 04:52, Barry Hawkins wrote:





[...]

Michel,
Thanks for the suggestion.  Here is the output of the command you
suggested:

localhost:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86
xserver-xfree86:
   Installed: (none)
   Candidate: 4.2.1-14
   Version Table:
  4.3.0-0pre1v4 0
   1 ftp://ftp.debian.org main/binary-powerpc/ Packages
   1 http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main
Packages
  4.2.1-14 0
 500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 500 ftp://debian.mirrors.pair.com unstable/main Packages

So, when one has two versions of a package, how does said one imply
the installation of a particular version?


Depends on the frontend, please read the documentation for the one you
use. To get the current xserver-xfree86 from experimental, you can try

aptitude -t experimental install xserver-xfree86

or

apt-get -t experimental install xserver-xfree86


Also, what are those integers prefacing the URIs beneath the version
numbers, 1 and 500?


It's the priority, man apt_preferences.

BTW, does it really say 1, not 100?


Michel,
	Yep, it says 1.  At one point, to force dselect to show me the 
experimental packages, I had edited my sources.list to have only 
http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main.  Could that 
have given it the value of 1 that you seem to find unusual?


Thanks,
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Re: Disappearance of experimental packages in dselect

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 17:31, Barry Hawkins wrote:

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 16:37, Barry Hawkins wrote:


localhost:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86
xserver-xfree86:
   Installed: (none)
   Candidate: 4.2.1-14
   Version Table:
  4.3.0-0pre1v4 0
   1 ftp://ftp.debian.org main/binary-powerpc/ Packages
   1 http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main


[...]


Yep, it says 1.  At one point, to force dselect to show me the
experimental packages, I had edited my sources.list to have only
http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main.  Could that
have given it the value of 1 that you seem to find unusual?


Ah, possibly. You should probably revert to the canonical form.


Michel,
	Well, I guess this begs the question: "What does it mean to 'revert to 
the canonical form'?"  As for the front end I am using, for now I am 
still speaking of dselect.  If dselect is so poor, why is it the 
default recommendation on all the Debian documentation?
	As for the reference earlier to reading the documentation for the 
front end, I went through the "dselect Documentation for Beginners" 
tutorial at 
<http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/dselect-beginner>, read 
the inline help within all dselect screens as suggested in the 
documentation, and have since read the following man pages: dselect, 
sources.list, dpkg, apt-get, deb, and apt-cache.  So far the only 
reference to specifying a specific version of a package has been in the 
apt-get man page, where it mentions /etc/apt/preferences and its use 
for "pinning".  I have yet to find a reference to canonical form, much 
less how to revert to it.


Regards,
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Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Regarding participation on this list

[Barry Hawkins]

To the list at large,
	I have been working on getting a Debian install up on my system for ~ 
2 weeks now, and I find myself dreading when I have to post a question, 
because getting an answer on these lists can be pretty daunting.  When 
you do get an answer, it is often a sparse reply indicating "you're not 
doing it right" or "you're using the wrong thing".  Well - yeah, I 
guess so, or I wouldn't be having the problems I am having.
	Seriously, folks, when you have new folks coming to a list, it's 
because they are deciding to give it a go with the Linux distro you 
favor.  It's a good thing.  And of the newbie posts I have seen on 
here, I have yet to come across one of those arm-flailing things like 
you see on Red Hat, PHP, or MySQL lists like "HELP! my l334 skillz 
lack!".  I know that sort of thing is _way_ annoying.
	I would like to thank Harvey Ussery and point to one of his recent 
posts, "Re: About SPAM.." on December 2, 2003 as a great example of not 
alienating new folks.  It's not a fault of Bart Koppe's, the original 
poster, that the receipt of SPAM bothers him.  Hell, it bothers me, 
too.  I accidentally replied to a post this weekend with my new, 
private email address that I had just changed - it's not even 
subscribed to the list.  Bam, two hours later my Sven spam has doubled. 
 Responses like "10-15 mails a day is at the low end" and "That's past 
now; you have got to get yourself a new one if you want to get rid of 
the spam mails" only alienate people.
	The LinuxWorld article highlighted in Slashdot today 
 is a pretty damning summary 
of several key behaviors in open source that alienate newcomers.  
Please try to remember that you, too, were just learning this stuff at 
one time.  We want to join you in the effort; we are not spending hours 
trying to learn something just so we can bug you on the list.


Regards,
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All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Disappearance of experimental packages in dselect

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 2, 2003, at 8:23 PM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 23:03, Barry Hawkins wrote:

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 17:31, Barry Hawkins wrote:

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:


On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 16:37, Barry Hawkins wrote:


localhost:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86
xserver-xfree86:
   Installed: (none)
   Candidate: 4.2.1-14
   Version Table:
  4.3.0-0pre1v4 0
   1 ftp://ftp.debian.org main/binary-powerpc/ Packages
   1 http://http.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/main


[...]


Yep, it says 1.  At one point, to force dselect to show me the
experimental packages, I had edited my sources.list to have only
http://http.us.debian.org ../project/experimental/main.  Could that
have given it the value of 1 that you seem to find unusual?


Ah, possibly. You should probably revert to the canonical form.


Michel,
	Well, I guess this begs the question: "What does it mean to 'revert 
to

the canonical form'?"


I meant the canonical form of the sources.list lines, but I misread 
some
of the above, so that can probably be ignored; I have no idea why it's 
1

basically. :\ Then again, I'm not even sure it matters...

As for the front end I am using, for now I am still speaking of 
dselect.


Which may still not support multiple package versions, in which case I
wouldn't expect to find anything about them in its documentation...


If dselect is so poor, why is it the default recommendation on all the
Debian documentation?


Tradition, and I think aptitude didn't quite make it to be usable 
enough

for woody. AFAIK this will change for sarge though.


[...] have since read the following man pages: dselect, sources.list,
dpkg, apt-get, deb, and apt-cache.


Thanks.

So far the only reference to specifying a specific version of a 
package
has been in the apt-get man page, where it mentions 
/etc/apt/preferences

and its use for "pinning".


Pinning is the most powerful and complex way; as I hinted in an earlier
post, -t/--target-release/--default-release is another way, there's 
also

package/distribution to select the distribution for a single package.


Michel,
Thanks, I will try your original suggestion first.

Regards,
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All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

List,
	I have been trying to get a 2.4.23(pre5_benh?) kernel up and running 
on a PowerBook G4 17".  Currently I can get through the following steps 
without issue:


make clean
make menuconfig
make dep
make-kpkg --revision benh.1 kernel-image
cd ..; dpkg -i *.deb

However, upon reboot, I always see something along the following lines:

input3: ADB HID on ID 3:3.01
adb: finished probe task...
INIT: version 2.85 bootlog
hub.c: new USB device 10:1a.0-1, assigned address 2
usb.c: USB device not responding, giving up (error=-32)
Starting Bootlog daemon: hub.c: new USB device 10:1a.0-1, assigned 
address 3


	This is the most informative of the specimens I have seen.  Usually, 
the hang occurs right after the line that starts "hub.c:".  I have 
tried paring down the kernel config USB support to nothing more than 
OHCI, and I have tried adding things back, but I have yet to figure it 
out.  An attempt to match the PowerBook G4 12" kernel config at 
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.en.php 
didn't work out for me, either.  (I know, there are some hardware 
differences, but I was running out of ideas)  I have compiled about 8 
or 9 times today, so I gave it a good try, but I am mostly doing 
guesswork.
	So, if anyone has any suggestions, or even better if you already have 
a great kernel config file for a 17" PowerBook G4 1GHz, feel free to 
share.


Thanks,
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Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 10, 2003, at 4:09 AM, Diana Galletly wrote:


On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Barry Hawkins wrote:


So, if anyone has any suggestions, or even better if you already have
a great kernel config file for a 17" PowerBook G4 1GHz, feel free to
share.


Total shot in the dark -- but does 2.4.22 work fine?  I've spent most
of the last few days with an i386 machine I was trying to run 2.4.23 on
hanging at "INIT: version 2.85 booting".  Yesterday in desperation I 
tried
compiling up an assortment of kernels, and discovered that it's 
_somewhere_
between 2.4.22 and 2.4.23 that things got broken.  So maybe worth a 
try if

you're desperate?

Diana.


Diana,
	Thanks for the quick reply.  Yes, in fact my 2.4.22 kernel that came 
with the daily snapshot of the Debian installer boots fine, although 
there are some things in the kernel that need not be there for me to 
run optimally.

I use the following rsync command to update my benh kernel source:

rsync -avz rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh /usr/src/benh_kernel

	I still think my issue is strongly tied to my ignorance as to what I 
am compiling into the kernel, but I just noticed the following snippet 
on the page titled Debian GNU/Linux -- PowerPC Port 
(http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/):


"The Titanium G4 17" Powermac has two issues: the 100MHz bus and the 
USB controller. The newest Windtunnel Macs also have a USB issue, due 
to a new USB card supplier. You will need a benh kernel > 2.4.21 to 
install on these machines."


	Obviously I am satisfying the kernel version recommendation, but are 
there certain USB support caveats I should observe when compiling a 
kernel on this machine?


Thanks,
--
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All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 10, 2003, at 4:09 PM, David Pye wrote:


Hi Barry,

The error you have says /dev/hda4 DOES NOT EXIST.

fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda4

This *might* be because under filesystem support in kernel config, you
selected devfs...

David


[...]
Through a series of tests, I was able to advance beyond the hangup 
just
after the line "hub.c: new USB device 10:1a.0-1, assigned address 2" 
in

the boot process.  However, I am not sure that it indicates progress.
By removing OHCI for USB and leaving ADB (Macintosh device drivers)
enabled along with UHCI (the default one for Intel, etc., not JE), I
received the following:


input3: ADB HID on ID 3:3.01
adb: finished probe task...
INIT: version 2.85 booting
Starting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd.
Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
Activating swap.
Checking root file system...
fsck 1.35-WIP (21-Aug-2003)
fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda4
/dev/hda4:
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the 
superblock

is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate
superblock:
 e2fsck -b 8193 

fsck failed.  Please repair manually and reboot.  Please note
that the root file system is currently mounted read-only.  To
Remount it read-write:

# mount -n -o remount,rw /

CONTROL-D will exit from this shell and REBOOT the system.


The root partition checks out fine when I boot into the default 2.4.22
kernel from the Debian installer.  I am reluctant to muck around with
fsck in light of that.  Perhaps I am missing some key kernel
configuration directive in my filesystems options?  I do have ext3 and
its journalling option compiled into the kernel.

I was surprised that disabling OHCI took me further.  I would have
thought that a 17" PowerBook would use OHCI.  Is UHCI the correct
driver for this laptop's USB?

Thanks,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com



David,
	Thanks, I will check that out right now.  In my wanderings I remember 
something about enabling devfs to enable something related to usbfs or 
something like that.  Since I have to be in OS X to connect to the 
internet and use mail, I have to go on memory.  I will check it out; 
many thanks.


Regards,
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All Things Computed
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weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 10, 2003, at 8:39 AM, Barry Hawkins wrote:


On Dec 10, 2003, at 4:09 AM, Diana Galletly wrote:


On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Barry Hawkins wrote:

	So, if anyone has any suggestions, or even better if you already 
have

a great kernel config file for a 17" PowerBook G4 1GHz, feel free to
share.


Total shot in the dark -- but does 2.4.22 work fine?  I've spent most
of the last few days with an i386 machine I was trying to run 2.4.23 
on
hanging at "INIT: version 2.85 booting".  Yesterday in desperation I 
tried
compiling up an assortment of kernels, and discovered that it's 
_somewhere_
between 2.4.22 and 2.4.23 that things got broken.  So maybe worth a 
try if

you're desperate?

Diana.


Diana,
	Thanks for the quick reply.  Yes, in fact my 2.4.22 kernel that came 
with the daily snapshot of the Debian installer boots fine, although 
there are some things in the kernel that need not be there for me to 
run optimally.



[...]

Through a series of tests, I was able to advance beyond the hangup just 
after the line "hub.c: new USB device 10:1a.0-1, assigned address 2" in 
the boot process.  However, I am not sure that it indicates progress.  
By removing OHCI for USB and leaving ADB (Macintosh device drivers) 
enabled along with UHCI (the default one for Intel, etc., not JE), I 
received the following:



input3: ADB HID on ID 3:3.01
adb: finished probe task...
INIT: version 2.85 booting
Starting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd.
Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
Activating swap.
Checking root file system...
fsck 1.35-WIP (21-Aug-2003)
fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda4
/dev/hda4:
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate 
superblock:

e2fsck -b 8193 

fsck failed.  Please repair manually and reboot.  Please note
that the root file system is currently mounted read-only.  To
Remount it read-write:

   # mount -n -o remount,rw /

CONTROL-D will exit from this shell and REBOOT the system.


The root partition checks out fine when I boot into the default 2.4.22 
kernel from the Debian installer.  I am reluctant to muck around with 
fsck in light of that.  Perhaps I am missing some key kernel 
configuration directive in my filesystems options?  I do have ext3 and 
its journalling option compiled into the kernel.


I was surprised that disabling OHCI took me further.  I would have 
thought that a 17" PowerBook would use OHCI.  Is UHCI the correct 
driver for this laptop's USB?


Thanks,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 10, 2003, at 6:02 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:


On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 15:08, Barry Hawkins wrote:

List,
I have been trying to get a 2.4.23(pre5_benh?) kernel up and running
on a PowerBook G4 17".  Currently I can get through the following 
steps

without issue:


Is this a first rev (nVidia based) 17" albook ?

If yes, then there is a problem with the cache coherency and the L3 on
this model that I haven't had a chance to figure out. Booting with
"nol3" should help. (Actually, you may experience all sort of data
corruption without this option, OHCI crashing beeing just one trigger)

Ben.


Ben,
	Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Yes, you nailed it; an 
nVidia-based 17" albook.  I briefly got past the issue I had posted and 
experienced three different types of segmentation faults and weird 
hangs.  Is there another kernel version I should try, or am I doomed 
with this unit?
	This particular PowerBook model seems to be a collage of the worst of 
Apple's hardware configurations when it comes to trying to run Linux.  
Does anybody have a recommendation on Apple laptops within the last two 
years that are kind of the most suitable for running Debian?


Regards,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:03 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:




Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Yes, you nailed it; an
nVidia-based 17" albook.  I briefly got past the issue I had posted 
and

experienced three different types of segmentation faults and weird
hangs.  Is there another kernel version I should try, or am I doomed
with this unit?
This particular PowerBook model seems to be a collage of the worst of
Apple's hardware configurations when it comes to trying to run Linux.
Does anybody have a recommendation on Apple laptops within the last 
two

years that are kind of the most suitable for running Debian?


Try what I did, that is boot with "nol3" on the kernel command line.
The best powerbook to run linux on currently are the previous models,
the 1Ghz Titanium with ATI graphics (not the newest ones).

I have one of the new iBook G4s on loan from Apple for a couple of 
weeks,
I'll see if I can get full support for this one as well. Full support 
for
the newest 15 and 17" machines will require some help from ATI; but 
there

is hope (for sleep support). There is currently no hope getting sleep
support to work on any nVidia based model.

Ben.

Ben,
	That worked.  I added the following line to the section for that 
kernel in my yaboot.conf file:


append = "nol3"

	I suppose I can muck around some more, but knowing that the hardware 
on this unit is part of the "no hope" class for sleep and 802.11b isn't 
exactly inspiring.  Thanks for the tip.	


Regards,
--
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Re: OT: BSD on G5 [Was: Re: Any Debian presence at MacWorld?]

[Barry Hawkins]

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Luis Sanjuan wrote:
[...]
| It might be changing. See, for example, this post in which
| FreeBSD developer P. Greham has recently announced a miniinst
| iso of FreeBSD for ppc:
|
| http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2004-December/000771.html
[...]
Having participated in testing on that port project for several months,
I can assure you that is nowhere near a release.  Peter Grehan, the
poster of that message, is the main force behind that effort, and he was
out for a few months last year.  If you want a stiff challenge of your
Mac hardware knowledge, give the FreeBSD install a go.
To give an idea of activity, here are message counts from the archives
for the FreeBSD PPC port for the past several months:
January 2005:   15 (and counting)
December 2004:  38
November 2004:   8 (Peter returns Nov. 30th)
October 2004:   19
September 2004: 42
August 2004:66 (Peter leaves ~Aug. 26th)
There are some really sharp folks on that list, and I wish them the
best, but it is no realm for any novice or even intermediate at this point.
- --
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Registered Linux User #368650
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Re: PBG4 kernel 2.6.10 config

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[...]
| Here is the PBG4 kernel 2.6.10 config
|
| http://home.versatel.nl/vgeloven/powerbook-g4-linux-kernel-configuration/
[...]
It oould be that I missed the info in an earlier thread, but could you
share which PBG4 this config is for?  All PowerBooks since 2001 have
been G4s and the kernel config for them varies quite a bit, particularly
with video card settings, wireless NICs, sensors, etc.
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Re: Powerbook white nights!

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| Hi all,
|
| I tested sleep7 patch with excellent results fro some times now. But I
| don't know why my laptop won't sleep now. I update (sid) nearly everyday
| but I don't remember removing something (of course!).
|
| What package did I remove? What did I do?!
|
| What do I need to sleep?..
Arnaud,
~I may be oversimplifying the question, but were you using
pbbuttonsd?  If so, is it still there?  Just a shot in the dark...
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Re: Buy benh (or other) a minimac Re: Hi question about mac - mini

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| thats $150
|
| Dean
[...]
I am willing to give $50 as well, but I am pretty sure we could reach
the amount sooner with a way for folks who may only be able to
contribute $10 - $30.  Is there something we could do like sending money
to a PayPal account for Ben or something to make this move a little faster?
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Re: Minimac for ben pledges

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[...]
| Barry Hawkins
| $50
[...]
Done.
When you guys go to fulfill your pledge, do not indicate "Quasi-Cash" as
the Category of Purchase for your payment if you are not in Australia,
or you will get the following message:
"Money transmission regulations currently forbid the transmission of
quasi-cash payments to International recipients. Payments are only
allowed for auctions, goods, and services."
I indicated "Service" for the Category of Purchase, and it let me
proceed without issue.
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Re: yaboot killed after MacOS X update

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Carsten Friede wrote:
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| I recently updated my MacOS X to 10.3.8 and after that my boot manager
| was lost! There was no boot menu anymore, nothing but starting MacOS by
| default. How can I install yaboot again, without a complete
| reinstallation of my whole system?
[...]
This should work for you.  I had that problem and this was from a post
in 2004 on the list.  Boot to the OpenFirmware prompt by holding down
Command-O-F (I think; you may have to look that up) and then do the
following, where hd:9 would be whatever your boot partition should be.
For example, /dev/hda9 is hd:9:
0 > setenv boot-device hd:9,yaboot
0 > boot
Once back in, update /etc/yaboot.conf and run ybin -v.
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Congrats to William Sowerbutts, Mac mini article makes it to Slashdot

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Saw that your Mac mini how-to for Debian got Slashdotted, William.
Kudos, and thanks for the work!
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Re: icons missing in several gnome apps [unstable]

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| right, this seems to be a ppc specific problem.
|
| Workaround:
|
| rm /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache
|
| Some guys are working on the problem :)
[...]
Same problem here.  Thanks for the workaround, guys.
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Re: Which Kernel for Airport Support?

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| Hi,
|
| I'm currently using kernel 2.6.8-powerpc after a vanilla install of
| Debian.
|
| Is this a workable kernel to support the Airport adapter, or should I go
| with Ben Herrenschmidt's 2.4 kernel from penguinppc.org?
[...]
The critical issue is your hardware rather than the kernel version;
support for AirPort goes way back with the kernel, particularly the
Debian kernels.  As mentioned before, AirPort Extreme is a no-go thanks
to the nefarious Broadcom chipset used in that mini-PCI card.  In short,
if your PowerBook is not a Titanium and/or your iBook is not a G3, you
are out of luck for built-in wifi.
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Re: Which Kernel for Airport Support?

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| The airport card is backward compatible correct? In other words one can
| find a Mac OSX user
| and proposition him/her to swap cards (airport for airport extreme).
[...]
No sir, not at all.  AirPort was a dedicated internal PCMCIA slot,
AirPort extreme is mini-PCI sans standard mini-PCI form factor, i.e. not
replaceable by competitive offerings.
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Approaches to enabling scanning for AirPort (not Extreme)

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Gusy,
~Since we are talking wifi today, does anyone have success stories
for enabling scanning with the AirPort cards in Titanium PowerBooks,
iBook G3s, etc.?  I would love to be able to run waproamd and kismet
fully-enabled.  The stuff I have seen so far doesn look too promising.
Driver recommendations, war stories, etc. welcome.
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Re: Approaches to enabling scanning for AirPort (not Extreme)

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Eric Gaumer wrote:
[...]
| Yes I have patches that enable scanning. I wouldn't be able to function
| without kismet ;-)
| I have a Titanium PB with an airport card.
|
| deb ftp://corp.primenetwork.net/debian/ prime contrib
| deb-src ftp://corp.primenetwork.net/debian prime contrib
|
| ]$ apt-get update
| ]$ apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-powerpc_1.1_powerpc.deb
|
| Or I can send you the patch if you'd like to build your own kernel.
[...]
Eric, you are my hero.  Please send the patch; I will build that
tonight.  Has there been any talk of having that be standard with the
Debian kernels for ppc?  I can't think of a case where someone wouldn't
want scanning enabled.
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Re: Approaches to enabling scanning for AirPort (not Extreme)

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ers/net/wireless/hermes.c:354: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:358: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:378: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:379: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:383: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:387: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c: In function `hermes_read_ltv':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:480: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:485: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c: In function `hermes_write_ltv':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:521: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.c:522: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
~  CC [M]  drivers/net/wireless/airport.o
In file included from drivers/net/wireless/orinoco.h:18,
~ from drivers/net/wireless/airport.c:42:
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h: In function `hermes_present':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:450: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h: In function `hermes_set_irqmask':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:456: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h: In function `hermes_read_words':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:499: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:499: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:499: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h: In function `hermes_write_words':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:519: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h: In function `hermes_clear_words':
drivers/net/wireless/hermes.h:535: warning: passing arg 2 of `writew'
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Re: Approaches to enabling scanning for AirPort (not Extreme)

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Eric Gaumer wrote:
[...]
|> I applied this patch, and kismet seems to work now, but after using
|> kismet my wifi card sometimes goes into a seizure.  During the kernel
|> build, I noticed some warnings when the wireless drive was being
|> compiled; the lines are attached to the end of this message.  The
|> PowerBook won't even shut down, it just closes X and goes to console
|> mode printing a message I failed to write down message endlessly.  The
|> next time it happens I'll write it down.
|
|
| What kernel version? Could you possibly try my 2.6.10 kernel and see if
| the problem
| persists? I know a few people who use it (including myself) and we don't
| have any problems.
| Also what are you running? Sarge, Sid? What version of kismet?
[...]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
Linux case 2.6.10 #1 Thu Feb 24 22:52:26 EST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
It's a custom-compiled 2.6.10, sid.
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Re: Approaches to enabling scanning for AirPort (not Extreme)

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Luca Bigliardi - shammash wrote:
| On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 04:38 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote:
|
|
|>I applied this patch, and kismet seems to work now, but after using
|>kismet my wifi card sometimes goes into a seizure.  During the kernel
|>build, I noticed some warnings when the wireless drive was being
|>compiled; the lines are attached to the end of this message.
|
|
| I think that these are not airport-related problems, i've tried another
| orinoco-based pcmcia card on my old i386 laptop and it suffered the same
| problems. You can see that it's also impossible to stop channel hopping.
|
| There are strange behaviors also without dragorn patch: sometimes i have
| to set the Managed mode to connect to an Ad-Hoc network.
|
| If you want to play seriously with wireless i think you should buy
| another card based on a better supported chip.
[...]
Ironically, I sold two 15" Aluminum PowerBooks and got this TiBook
mainly b/c of supported internal wireless.  I already have a Cisco
Aironet 350 card and a Proxim.  Guess I could've saved myself time and
trouble and lost money.  8^)
|>Also, I noticed that (prior to running kismet and the wifi freaking out)
|>iwlist scanning does not work:
|>
|>$ sudo iwlist eth1 scanning
|>eth1  Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
|
|
| IIRC this should be solved in CVS drivers.
[...]
Thanks, I will check it out.
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Re: rc2 or daily images?

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| Which one is recommended for a fresh install?  I would be happy to
| test the new versions, but this is the first time I install Debian on
| a powermac (I did many x86 installs in the past).
[...]
Use the daily image.  Be sure to file an installation report.  I have
used them over the past year or so and they have definitely gotten
better and better.  Just used one today, quite good.
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Re: Help please:pmud doesn't function anymore

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Rainer Gutkas wrote:
| I don't know what I did, but out of nowhere pmud doesn't power down my
pismo
| anymore when I shut the display.
| So it worked out of the box up to today. And today I didn't do much
but write
| some things with open Office and check emails etc. Ok I also ran KGpg the
| first time, but I can't figure out what these things can do to pmud?
|
| Has anybody a good advice for me?
Rainer,
~Have you by chance installed pbbuttonsd or gtkpbbuttons and thereby
removed pmud?  Did aptitude or something else remove pmud without you
knowing?  What does 'dpkg -l pmud' show?
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Re: MacOSX & Debian dual boot questions...

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[...]
|
| I think if you choose manual partitioning, you need to create a small
| (1 MB) bootstrap partition manually for yaboot.  There should be space
| between the 32k drivers partition (#1) and the HFS (#3).
|
| I would recommend the daily install images.
[...]
That would be the NewWorld boot partition; be sure to specify that when
manually partitioning.  It's size should be 820k.  Ditto on the daily image.
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Re: java 1.4 in browser -- is it possible?

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Tamas K Papp wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I need Java 1.4 to run something (www.theswitchboard.ca) in Firefox.
| Is it possible on linux/ppc?  I only found 1.3.x on blackdown.
[...]
Tamas,
~Aside from free java and the gcjwebplugin, I think your options are
pretty limited.  The 1.3.1 Blackdown JRE/JDK for powerpc is pretty new;
the only other JDKs for powerpc-linux are those from IBM.  If you use
these, be sure to use the latest version of the java-package utility,
which allows you to package non-free JREs and JDKs as Debian packages.
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Re: java 1.4 in browser -- is it possible?

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| On Saturday 19 March 2005 15:46, Tamas K Papp wrote:
|
|>On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 10:03:50AM -0500, Tamas K Papp wrote:
|>If anybody gets it working under Firefox/Mozilla/anything, please let
|>me know.
|
|
| I simply downloaded it and installed it to /usr/local, and then made
| a /usr/local/bin/java script to set it up and run it as required.  I
don't
| think it works in other browsers, but I mostly use Konqueror, which it
works
| fine in.  Konqueror seems to have a built-in webapp runner which only
needs
| the java command itself.
Lee,
~Which release do you run?
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Re: java 1.4 in browser -- is it possible?

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| Barry,
|
| http://www.ppcnux-projekt.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3856
|
| says it is possible with IBM's JRE.  I will let you know when I get it
| working.  Thanks for the info.
|
| Tamas
Tamas,
~That article says nothing about using IBM's JRE or JDK to enable a
Java browser plugin.  This, of course, makes sense, since the IBM
JRE/JDK does not currently support a browser plugin.
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Re: java 1.4 in browser -- is it possible?

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| On Saturday 19 March 2005 18:23, Barry Hawkins wrote:
|
|>~Which release do you run?
|
|
| Not sure what you're asking, but... sid, with KDE 3.3, just upgraded
to 3.4.
| I don't think it matters though.
|
Lee,
~You interpreted it correctly[0], I was wondering if you were running
sid.  If so, you might want to try out java-package for bundling the IBM
JDK as a .deb so that all your dependency management for Java works.
Version 0.22 has support for the IBM JRE/JDKs.  It should make it into
sarge in the next 10 days or so.
[0] - http://www.debian.org/releases/
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Re: java 1.4 in browser -- is it possible?

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| On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 01:28:38PM -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote:
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|>Tamas K Papp wrote:
|>[...]
|>| Barry,
|>|
|>| http://www.ppcnux-projekt.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3856
|>|
|>| says it is possible with IBM's JRE.  I will let you know when I get it
|>| working.  Thanks for the info.
|>|
|>| Tamas
|>Tamas,
|>~That article says nothing about using IBM's JRE or JDK to enable a
|>Java browser plugin.  This, of course, makes sense, since the IBM
|>JRE/JDK does not currently support a browser plugin.
|
|
| On the contrary, it even has instructions included to set it up with
| mozilla & others on Linux (runtimeguide.lnx.en.htm), but the files are
| missing.  My impression is that they were not compiled for ppc, only
| for i386.
[...]
Tamas,
~After rereading the article, it finally occurred to me that you
might be talking about something other than the article.  Yes, the
documentation that comes with IBM JRE/JDKs does have information on
using the plugin.  Also, your impression is correct; both the browser
plugin and Java Web Start are only on IA/32 right now.
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Re: Linux PPC Java development

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| I have a 'newbe' question... I'm using an old IBM 7248 PowerPC machine,
| running Debian Linux. I downloaded the IBM JDK but I can not find a JAVA
| Plugin ( version 1.4 or newer ) to use with Mozilla 1.7.
|
| So... how the people develops Java using Linux PPC? Only in text mode?
[...]
Marcellus,
~Hello and welcome.  If you would like, you can use the gcjwebplugin;
that is about your only option for applets.  Once the Blackdown folks
get the plugin working for their 1.3.1 JRE/JDK, you should be able to
use that.
~Applets are a very small part of Java(TM) development.  Most of us
who do Java development on Debian PowerPC are focused on the server apps
and libraries, with desktop coming next in priority.  As a co-maintainer
for Debian's java-package[0] utility, I would encourage you to use it
for packaging your JRE/JDKs on PowerPC.  IBM has a 1.3 and 1.4 JRE/JDK,
and Blackdown has their 1.3.1 JRE/JDK.  You should be able to do J2EE,
Swing, and SWT-based development without issue.
~Of course, ultimately, we would like you to try the free runtimes
for Java(TM) and file bug reports against those to help up us improve
the free alternatives to the Java(TM) Trap[1].
[0] - http://packages.debian.org/java-package
[1] - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
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Re: Linux PPC Java development

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| On Tuesday 29 March 2005 21:03, Barry Hawkins wrote:
|
|>~Hello and welcome.  If you would like, you can use the gcjwebplugin;
|>that is about your only option for applets.
|
|
| Marcellus: Just to give you an informed decision, the gcj plugin had
SERIOUS
| security issues last time I looked at it.
|
| (Is that still the case, Barry?)
|
Lee,
~I think you are right, though I must admit I do not follow it closely.
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Re: State of Java on PPC

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Paul J. Lucas wrote:
> A few years ago, the state of Java on Linux/PPC was less than
> that of Java on x86.  Has that improved?
I would answer with a resounding yes.  In fact, the Java on PowerPC
Linux in Debian specifically has improved.
On the non-free Java front, the java-package Debian package now
supports the building of IBM 1.3 and 1.4 JREs and JDKs, as well as the
Blackdown 1.3.1 JREs and JDKs for PowerPC released earlier this year.
On the free runtimes for the Java(TM) programming language front,
support has steadily improved in kaffe, sablevm, and gcj.  Other
experimental efforts are in the works for JikesRVM and the like.
For more information on what is available, please see the
README.Debian file of the java-package utility.  And yes, I am a
maintainer for that package, hence the enthusiasm. 8^)  We would welcome
your help in the effort!

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Re: State of Java on PPC

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Paul J. Lucas wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Charles-Edouard Ruault wrote:
> 
>> As far as i know the latest version of the IBM Java Development Kit is
>> 1.4.2, available here :
>> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux140/
> 
> 
> OK, maybe I'm blind, but I went there, signed in, and saw a
> bunch of radio-buttoned items for various flavors of the IBM
> SDK, but nothing said anything about PPC.  So which one is it?
> 
> - Paul
See the README.Debian file of java-package 8^).  It's the pSeries 32-bit
if you have anything but a G5.  If you have a G5, I will have to defer
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Re: 10.4 tiger

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Darrel wrote:
[...]
>>
> I tried it three times good buddy, but had no success on 10.4.
[...]
If you search the archives of this list, you will find the answer.  I
don't have it on hand, but I reposted the original post some months ago
the last time this was asked.  You set the boot device in open firmware
then tell it to boot, and off you go.

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Re: Yaboot - does yaboot support splash?

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On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:52:26PM -0700, Brian Benson spake thus:
> I've used both bootsplash and gensplash on my ibook.  Yaboot just
> specifies the initrd file that contains the images.  It's all in the
> docs.
[...]
I read through the man pages for yaboot, yaboot.conf, and bootstrap without 
finding reference to this.  Could you clarify which docs you referred to?  This 
sounds like a fun trick.

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Re: Yaboot - does yaboot support splash?

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On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 04:32:12PM +0300, Eddy Petrisor spake thus:
> On 5/20/05, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:52:26PM -0700, Brian Benson wrote:
> > > I've used both bootsplash and gensplash on my ibook.  Yaboot just
> > > specifies the initrd file that contains the images.  It's all in the
> > > docs.
> > 
> > But neither is what Eddy's asking about (at least as far as I can gather
> > from IRC conversation). I believe the question was about displaying an
> > image at the yaboot prompt itself, which would need to be implemented in
> > yaboot itself and isn't.
> 
> Yes, this is correct.
> Maybe ubuntu's uslpash will make this... when is done (Colin do you
> happen to know anything about this :-) ?
[...]
Thanks for the clarification and info, guys.

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Re: bluetooth working on new powerbook

[Barry Hawkins]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 04:36:00PM +0200, Johannes Berg spake thus:
[...]
> I finally got bluetooth working. I *knew* from MacOSX that it was a USB
> device, and I was getting very strange errors at USB startup time (read
> error -71 something, check Jochen's homepage for the details, he thinks
> it is trackpad related but it isn't)
[...]
Johannes,
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up.  Just as you 
said, this fix instantly made the CSR-based Bluetooth built into my 
15" PowerBook G4 1.67GHz work right away with a stock 2.6.11 kernel 
from the Debain archive.  I have already confirmed that the IrMC and 
GPRS functionality with my Ericsson T610 are working beautifully.  
I was previously using a Titanium PowerBook G4 1GHz with a D-Link 
DBT-120 USB dongle.

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Re: bluetooth working on new powerbook

[Barry Hawkins]

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:05:24PM +0200, Johannes Berg spake thus:
> Barry Hawkins said:
> > Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up.  Just as you
> > said, this fix instantly made the CSR-based Bluetooth built into my
> > 15" PowerBook G4 1.67GHz work right away with a stock 2.6.11 kernel
> > from the Debain archive.  I have already confirmed that the IrMC and
> > GPRS functionality with my Ericsson T610 are working beautifully.
> 
> Whew. That's good to hear, after a lot of reports of it *not* working I
> was beginning to doubt my sanity, but couldn't remember anything else I'd
> done.
Funny thing now is that I cannot get Bluetooth to be recognized with my 
custom-compiled kernel, although I have attempted to match up what I 
think the stock 2.6.11-powerpc Debian kernel has for a config with 
respect to Bluetooth and USB.  I first thought it was because usbcore was 
not compile as a module (the only difference I could see), but that was 
not it.  Still poking around, the kernel image docs may shed some light.

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Re: bounces

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On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 09:51:57PM +0930, John Steele Scott spake thus:
> Johannes Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is anyone else getting a lot of bounces from an IBM server for a person
> > subscribed to this list? I keep getting one bounce for every mail I send to
> > this list...
> > If you're at wintermute.rchland.ibm.com and can fix this, please do!
> 
> I was getting this a couple of days ago, but not recently.
> 
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Re: bluetooth working on new powerbook

[Barry Hawkins]

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 06:47:16PM +0200, Johannes Berg spake thus:
> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 11:03 -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:
> > Funny thing now is that I cannot get Bluetooth to be recognized with my 
> > custom-compiled kernel, although I have attempted to match up what I 
> > think the stock 2.6.11-powerpc Debian kernel has for a config with 
> > respect to Bluetooth and USB.  I first thought it was because usbcore was 
> > not compile as a module (the only difference I could see), but that was 
> > not it.  Still poking around, the kernel image docs may shed some light.
> 
> Odd. Works fine here, with my own kernel (a heavily patched 2.6.11.10
> right now). If you want my .config send me private mail.
Peculiar, but after compiling again with the Virtual HCI driver as a 
module and usb_core compiled as a module, the problem went away.  I had 
to run a make-kpkg clean as well.  Thanks for the info.  There could be 
something else that affected it, but I don't really know.

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Re: rethinking the FN key

[Barry Hawkins]

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 01:46:03PM +0100, Jochen Voss spake thus:
> Hello Johannes,
> 
> On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 02:32:53PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > Heh, possibly. What about X then? I don't get any x event when I push 
> > that button.
> No idea about X.  I noticed that keycodes in X are different from the
> one on the console, so there must be some magic going on.  But I never
> found out why or how this is handled this way.
[...]
I just recently switched from a Titanium PowerBook G4 1GHz to the 
Aluminum PowerBook G4 1.67GHz.  The fn key worked flawlessly with 
that machine and a 2.6.11.10 kernel and the default keyboard 
mappings; Page Up, Page Down, Home, End, and all the gtkpbbuttons 
keys worked fine with fn as the modifier, as shown in the Options 
tab of powerprefs.  I no longer have that old unit set up, or I 
could look at it to compare.  Is this fn key issue unique to the 
newest PowerBooks, or are other models experiencing this as well?

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Re: Questions about the new powerbook ?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 10:05:39PM +0200, Johannes Berg spake thus:
> On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 19:36 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> 
> > >   -  The trackpad doesn't work. Is it planned to write a driver
> > > for this trackpad in the kernel ?
> 
> http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook/touchpad
> 
> > There are some experiments here or there, I don't know the current
> > status...
> 
> Yeah, see above. I know how it works, but I don't know how to properly
> analyse the data. Need someone with some experience in digital signal
> processing or something...
[...]
I loaded Johannes' driver and played with it some today.  It works, but 
the tracking was a bit too dodgy for typical use.  There may be some 
configuration that I am not aware of which could cause the driver to be 
usable.

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Re: Questions about the new powerbook ?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:48:29AM +0200, Johannes Berg spake thus:
> On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 23:20 -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:
> > I loaded Johannes' driver and played with it some today.  It works, but 
> > the tracking was a bit too dodgy for typical use.  There may be some 
> > configuration that I am not aware of which could cause the driver to be 
> > usable.
> 
> No, my driver is too dodgy because I couldn't figure out how to process
> the data I get appropriately. You're welcome to look at the code and
> hack around a bit :)
> 
Alas, I don't even know enough to begin poking around.  I am glad you do, 
though.  I was just glad to see that my trackpad could work at all.  A 
sincere thanks for your contribution(s), and hopefully another with the 
skill set to do it will help you take things farther.  If there is any 
sort of testing, diagnostic, or QA activity I can do to be of help, do 
not hesitate to ask.

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keyboard backlight working on PowerBook5,6?

[Barry Hawkins]

Guys,
I was a little surprised to see that the backlight on the keyboard is not 
working with pbbuttonsd on my 1.67GHz PowerBook G4.  I had a 15" 1.25GHz 
PowerBook G4 working with pbbuttonsd 0.5.x (iirc) that controlled the keyboard 
quite well back around June last year.  Is it working for anyone else?  I have 
tried using both gtkpbbuttons and gtkpbbuttons-gnome.  With either one, the 
powerprefs keyboard controls are disabled.  I have also tried version 0.6.10-1 
of pbbuttonsd from experimental.

gtkpbbuttons0.6.7-1
gtkpbbuttons-gnome  0.6.7-1
pbbuttonsd  0.6.9-1/0.6.10-1

I also tried editing my /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf file to reflect the 68 + ctrl, 
67 + ctrl, and 66 + ctrl reflected in Johannes' sample on his wiki and 
restarting pbbuttonsd.  No backlight appears and powerprefs still shows those 
areas as greyed out.  I am running a 2.6.11.10 kernel, with a config that 
matches most of what others on the list had shared with me.  Any input would be 
appreciated.  Google searches mostly turned up a couple of entries from last 
summer when Federico Gamio had originally helped me get that feature working.  
Apologies in advance if I have overlooked something.

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Odd core dump issue with IBM 1.4.2 JDK launching Eclipse

[Barry Hawkins]

PowerPC kernel and C sages,
After poking around with this issue for a week, one of my associates 
in the Debian Java Packaging project has suggested I run this by those 
in the know about C nuances on PowerPC architecture.
   I have been running the Eclipse JDT for Java(TM) development on a 
ppc sid install with the IBM 1.4.2 JDK for 32-bit PowerPC for some time 
now.  I recently migrated from my Titanium PowerBook to one of the 
new(er) 15" Aluminum 1.67GHz units:

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor   : 0
cpu : 7447A, altivec supported
clock   : 1666MHz
revision: 1.2 (pvr 8003 0102)
bogomips: 1658.88
machine : PowerBook5,6
motherboard : PowerBook5,6 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh 
detected as : 287 (Unknown Intrepid-based)
pmac flags  : 0008
L2 cache: 512K unified
memory  : 2048MB
pmac-generation : NewWorld

$ uname -a
Linux case 2.6.11.10barryh.1 #1 Tue May 24 12:44:30 EDT 2005 ppc GNU/Linux

The only difference I can think of between this machine and the 
previous one is that I have the gcc-4.0 package and friends installed 
from experimental.  I have been told that this should not affect the 
use of the IBM JDK in the way that I am experiencing.  I have tried 
using different versions of the Eclipse binary install, building from 
source, mutliple "clean" installs of the JDK, etc.  I have filed a bug 
report with Eclipse, bug #97375[0], which has one of the JDK core dumps 
attached to it.  If anyone has any insight, I would greatly appreciate 
it.  Also, if anyone begins to experience this behavior, please reply 
to this thread.

[0] - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=97375

Regards,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: Odd core dump issue with IBM 1.4.2 JDK launching Eclipse

[Barry Hawkins]

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:29:47AM +0200, Johannes Mockenhaupt spake thus:
> Barry Hawkins wrote:
> [...]
> >I have been running the Eclipse JDT for Java(TM) development on a 
> > ppc sid install with the IBM 1.4.2 JDK for 32-bit PowerPC for some time 
> > now.  I recently migrated from my Titanium PowerBook to one of the 
> > new(er) 15" Aluminum 1.67GHz units:
> 
> Did you set the environment variable JITC_PROCESSOR_TYPE=6 on the new
> machine too?
[...] 
Yes, but that is a very good question!  We have placed that in the 
README.Debian file for java-package in hopes that powerpc users will know
to do that.

Regards,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: keyboard backlight working on PowerBook5,6?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:27:56AM +0200, Bernhard Reiter spake thus:
> Hi Barry,
[...] 
> To get backlight at all, I had to enable a few i2c options in the
> kernel config, especially the keywest. I suggest to look for them,
> in the end I had CONFIG_I2C_KEYWEST=y set and got a backlight
> with 2.6.12-rc3 and some of Ben's patches.
[...]
Bernhard,
Thanks for the reply.  I currently have CONFIG_I2C_KEYWEST=m, but
that is about the only I2C module I have enabled (I think it is part 
of the default setup in the default pmac config file.).  That module 
loads, but that's about it.  I will poke around some more to see what
else might be needed.  I guess I should also try the 2.6.12 kernel 
tree to see if that makes a difference as well.

Regards,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: keyboard backlight working on PowerBook5,6?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:27:56AM +0200, Bernhard Reiter spake thus:
[...] 
> To get backlight at all, I had to enable a few i2c options in the
> kernel config, especially the keywest. I suggest to look for them,
> in the end I had CONFIG_I2C_KEYWEST=y set and got a backlight
> with 2.6.12-rc3 and some of Ben's patches.
[...]
Could you perhaps post and lsmod in case you have any i2c modules 
loaded?  I have i2c_keywest as a module, so it shows up, but that is 
all I have:

$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
bsd_comp6112  0 
hci_usb15208  3 
rfcomm 44860  4 
l2cap  25028  7 rfcomm
bluetooth  56620  7 hci_usb,rfcomm,l2cap
pcmcia 24552  2 
ehci_hcd   36168  0 
usbhid 31840  0 
ohci1394   37732  0 
ohci_hcd   23688  0 
usbcore   128368  5 hci_usb,ehci_hcd,usbhid,ohci_hcd
yenta_socket   21800  1 
rsrc_nonstatic  9152  1 yenta_socket
pcmcia_core50732  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
therm_adt746x  10844  0 
i2c_keywest10052  0 
snd_powermac   41924  3 
snd_pcm_oss62496  0 
snd_mixer_oss  20576  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm98788  2 snd_powermac,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  25124  1 snd_pcm
snd58228  9 
snd_powermac,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore   9060  2 snd
snd_page_alloc  9156  1 snd_pcm
sbp2   25296  0 
ieee1394  114536  2 ohci1394,sbp2

Thanks,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: keyboard backlight working on PowerBook5,6?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 02:03:09PM +0200, Stelian Pop spake thus:
[...]
> 
> What about CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV ?
> 
> > I would love if you got this working!
> 
> If works fine for me (on the same machine as yours) with the
> attached .config
[...]
Thanks! I will try this.  I was thinking some of the stuff floating 
around about G4 PowerBooks (this was Titanium, iirc) said that I2C 
character devices were a no-no; but, looks like it's working for 
you!

Thanks,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: keyboard backlight working on PowerBook5,6?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 07:58:37PM +0200, Matthias Grimm spake thus:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 21:32:35 -0400
[...] 
> You see, if we can't find a simple configuration error it could become
> very hard.
> 
> As I already told you I can't do any tests on this issue myself because
> I don't have the right hardware. So it would be nice if someone of you
> with some programming skills could do the research. I will assist as
> good as I can.
> 
> The other way would be you send me your machine and I will do it. :-)
[...]
Matthias,
Thanks for the excellent writeup.  I didn't have time tonight to 
look at it, but I will tomorrow.  I'll post back my progress; some of 
the other threads look promising.  Thanks for your work!

Regards,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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List,
	I am running a 2.6.5-rc3-ben0 kernel with a sid installation on a 
1.25GHz 15" Aluminum PowerBook G4, which has built-in Bluetooth.  
Although bluez-utils installed just fine and all of the messages on 
startup indicate that hcid, rfcomm, l2cap, etc. are starting just fine, 
I have no Bluetooth device available.  At first I thought it was 
because I did not have an appropriate device driver compiled as a 
kernel module, but I think I have eliminated that possibility (see 
kernel config excerpt below).  When I run 'hcitool dev', nothing shows 
up:


$ hcitool dev
Devices:

Likewise an attempt to list any /dev entries starting with hci fails:

$ ls /dev/hci*
ls: /dev/hci*: No such file or directory

	My Bluetooth-specific kernel configuration options (transcription, 
sorry for any errors) are:


#
# Bluetooth support
#
CONFIG_BT=m
CONFIG_BT_L2CAP=m
CONFIG_BT_SCO=m
CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM=m
CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM_TTY=y
CONFIG_BT_BNEP=m
CONFIG_BT_BNEP_MC_FILTER=y
CONFIG_BT_BNEP_PROT_FILTER=y

#
# Bluetooth device drivers
#
CONFIG_BT_HCIUSB=m
CONFIG_BT_HCIUSB_SCO=y
CONFIG_BT_HCIUART=m
CONFIG_BT_HCIUART_H4=y
CONFIG_BT_HCIUART_BCSP=y
# CONFIG_BT_HCIUART_BCSP_TXCRC is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIBCM203X is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIBFUSB is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIDTL1 is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIBT3C is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIBLUECARD is not set
# CONFIG_BT_HCIBTUART is not set
CONFIG_BT_HCIVHCI=m
# CONFIG_NETPOLL is not set
# CONFIG_NET_POLL_CONTROLLER is not set

All of the kernel modules seem to be loading just fine:
$ lsmod
ModuleSize  Used by
...
hci_vhci  7008  0
hci_usb  13696  0
hci_uart 20048  0
...
sco  13700  0
rfcomm   43516  0
l2cap23972  5 rfcomm
bluetooth55996  8 hci_vhci,hci_usb,hci_uart,sco,rfcomm,l2cap

I would appreciate any insight greatly.

Regards,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 17, 2004, at 7:17 PM, Alain Perry wrote:


List,
I am running a 2.6.5-rc3-ben0 kernel with a sid installation on a
1.25GHz 15" Aluminum PowerBook G4, which has built-in Bluetooth.
Although bluez-utils installed just fine and all of the messages on
startup indicate that hcid, rfcomm, l2cap, etc. are starting just 
fine,

I have no Bluetooth device available.  At first I thought it was
because I did not have an appropriate device driver compiled as a
kernel module, but I think I have eliminated that possibility (see
kernel config excerpt below).  When I run 'hcitool dev', nothing shows
up:


What debian branch are you running ? You need the hid2hci tool included
in the bluez-utils package in unstable.
It didn't work on my Powerbook G4 15" with linux-2.6.5 (caused a kernel
oops when switching from hid to hci) but it works great with a 2.6.7

I tested today and file transfer worked between my computer and a Dell.

Hope this helps,

--
Alain Perry


Alain,
	Thanks for the reply.  By sid installation I meant the unstable 
branch.  I forgot to include the error from hid2hci; here it is:


$ hid2hci
No devices in HCI mode found

By the way, where did you get your 2.6.7 kernel/sources?

Thanks,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 2:36 AM, Sjoerd Simons wrote:


On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 06:53:53PM -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:

List,
I am running a 2.6.5-rc3-ben0 kernel with a sid installation on a
1.25GHz 15" Aluminum PowerBook G4, which has built-in Bluetooth.
Although bluez-utils installed just fine and all of the messages on
startup indicate that hcid, rfcomm, l2cap, etc. are starting just 
fine,

I have no Bluetooth device available.  At first I thought it was
because I did not have an appropriate device driver compiled as a
kernel module, but I think I have eliminated that possibility (see
kernel config excerpt below).  When I run 'hcitool dev', nothing shows
up:


That's correct. I just noticed that on boot the bluetooth interface on 
my
laptop is down. In which case hcitool won't show any devices. You can 
use

hciconfig to turn on your bluetooth device (works like ifconfig)

  Sjoerd


Sjoerd,
	Would I be able to use hciconfig without a /dev/hciX entry on which to 
issue my commands?  My attempts to use the program thus far have been 
unsuccessful.  For example, the following command returns nothing:


$ hciconfig -a

Thanks,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Alain Perry wrote:


Alain,
Thanks for the reply.  By sid installation I meant the unstable


Sorry, I missed that in your first mail...


branch.  I forgot to include the error from hid2hci; here it is:

$ hid2hci
No devices in HCI mode found


That is a strange error...
You indeed shouldn't have any device in HCI mode before hid2hci
completes its execution. If anything, the error message should be:
No devices in HID mode found

Or am I completely mistaken ?
Anyway, I think your question would find an answer more easily on the
bluez project mailing lists, since this is supposed to be supported by
their software.


By the way, where did you get your 2.6.7 kernel/sources?


Took them from kernel.org, and compiled the debian way. No noticeable
problem so far (BTW, people using the prism54 driver, the cvs-snapshot
version from prism54.org works way better than the one in the kernel 
for

the moment. There have been problems committing the patches, and the
prism54 team is trying to solve that issue).

Hope this helps.

--
Alain Perry


Alain,
	Thanks again.  The default mode for hid2hci is to switch to HCI mode 
as you mention, so perhaps the message is returned after the switch is 
supposed to have been made, as a confirmation of sorts.  That would 
make sense, since hid2hci returns the following:


$ hid2hci
No devices in HCI mode found

$ hid2hci --tohci
No devices in HCI mode found

$ hid2hci --tohid
No devices in HID mode found

	I have subscribed to bluez-users and searched their archive as well.  
So far, it looks like the Apple Bluetooth Firmware Update may be giving 
me this grief by causing issues with hci_usb.  I had compiled all of 
the Bluetooth device drivers as modules in the event I had overlooked 
the correct driver in my kernel configuration, and since then I noticed 
several lines in dmesg that I had not seen before:


(Begin dmesg excerpts)
...
Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.5
drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver hci_usb
Bluetooth: VHCI driver ver 1.1
...
usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd hid2hci dev 2 rqt 64 rq 0 len 0 ret 
- -110

usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: can't resubmit intr, 
0001:01:1a.0-1/input0, status -19
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: can't resubmit intr. 
0001:01:1a.0-1/input1, status -19

usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3
Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1]
NIP: C01C4690 LR: C01C4934 SP: EFDEFD00 REGS: efdefc50 TRAP: 0301
Not tainted

MSR: 9032 EE: 1 PR: 0 FP: 0 ME: 1 IR/DR: 11
DAR: 0004, DSISR: 4000
TASK = c19d2000[5] 'khubd' Last syscall: -1
GPR00: C01C4934 EFDEFD00 C19D2000 D7BE0800 EFCEA8C0 C1ACDF50  
C037FE3C

GPR08: 001E 001D EFFFE810 0074 82008022
Call trace:
 [c01c4934] usb_set_interface+0x94/0x164
 [f24aaab4] hci_usb_probe+0x21c/0x48c [hci_usb]
 [c01be0c4] usb_probe_interface+0x80/0x98
 [c011ffc8] bus_match+0x50/0x8c
 [c012005c] device_attach+0x58/0xbc
 [c01202dc] bus_add_device+0x7c/0xd8
 [c011eb7c] device_add+0xb0/0x184
 [c01c4d20] usb_set_configuration+0x20c/0x25c
 [c01bf400] usb_new_device+0x20c/0x25c
 [c01c0e60] hub_port_connect_change+0x1a0/0x298
 [c01c122c] hub_events+0x2d4/0x354
 [c01c12e8] hub_thread+0x3c/0xf4
 [c000afd4] kernel_thread+0x44/0x60
...

(End dmesg excerpts)

	Does that look anything like the kernel oops you mentioned earlier 
that you had with 2.6.5?  Because I don't have the internal modem (or 
GPRS, obviously) working yet, I am having to transcribe this stuff into 
MOL and then reboot in OSX while I am at work.  Sorry for any errors.


Regards,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 3:34 PM, Alain Perry wrote:


supposed to have been made, as a confirmation of sorts.  That would
make sense, since hid2hci returns the following:


Yep, sorry about that, my mistake...


Does that look anything like the kernel oops you mentioned earlier
that you had with 2.6.5?  Because I don't have the internal modem (or
GPRS, obviously) working yet, I am having to transcribe this stuff 
into

MOL and then reboot in OSX while I am at work.  Sorry for any errors.


I have no way to be sure, but the oops I had when using hid2hci sure 
was

a "kernel access of bad area". I would tend to say yes.
What kernel version are you using ? Can you try a more recent one ?

--
Alain Perry



Alain,
	I am currently using a 2.6.5-rc3-ben0 kernel that I compiled the 
Debian way.  I would love to try a 2.6.7, but I haven't ventured off 
the benh kernel path.  I suppose I will finally have to learn how to 
patch a kernel tree.  I have been procrastinating on that, but this is 
a good motivator.


Thanks,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: Apple built-in Bluetooth not appearing in /dev

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 2:01 PM, Sjoerd Simons wrote:


On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 12:17:02PM -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 2:36 AM, Sjoerd Simons wrote:


On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 06:53:53PM -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:

List,
I am running a 2.6.5-rc3-ben0 kernel with a sid installation on a
1.25GHz 15" Aluminum PowerBook G4, which has built-in Bluetooth.
Although bluez-utils installed just fine and all of the messages on
startup indicate that hcid, rfcomm, l2cap, etc. are starting just
fine,
I have no Bluetooth device available.  At first I thought it was
because I did not have an appropriate device driver compiled as a
kernel module, but I think I have eliminated that possibility (see
kernel config excerpt below).  When I run 'hcitool dev', nothing 
shows

up:


That's correct. I just noticed that on boot the bluetooth interface 
on

my
laptop is down. In which case hcitool won't show any devices. You can
use
hciconfig to turn on your bluetooth device (works like ifconfig)

 Sjoerd


Sjoerd,
Would I be able to use hciconfig without a /dev/hciX entry on which
	to issue my commands?  My attempts to use the program thus far have 
been

unsuccessful.


There are never /dev/hci* devices. Bluetooth device work somewhat like 
normal

network interfaces.


For example, the following command returns nothing:

$ hciconfig -a


That should indeed output something.. I saw in another mail that you 
already
tried hid2hci... Do you have the right usb controller compiled in ? 
Otherwise

i don't know what it the problem could be..

Sjoerd
--
Heisenberg may have been here.



Sjoerd,
	Thanks for the pointer on Bluetooth devices not appearing in /dev - 
that was an incorrect assumption on my part, I suppose.  I too, am 
suspecting something related to USB, specifically the hci_usb module.  
As I mentioned to Alain in a recent reply, I plan to try a 2.6.7 kernel 
to see if the matter has been addressed.  If anyone else on the list 
has overcome this obstacle, suggestions would be welcome.


Thanks,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
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weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: How can I use kernel patches (kernel-tree 2.6.6)

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Roland Wegmann wrote:


Hi all

I have apt-getted the testing kernel-tree 2.6.6. This package has some
kernel patches (as far as I know), but I have no idee how to use these
patches. What do I have to do that I can use the features of kernel  
patches?


I know the whole kernel compilation procedure (on a newbie level) from
'make menuconfig' to 'dpkg -i ...', but i have never patched kernel
sources. Is there a debian-kernel-patch-howto?


Kind regards and thank's in advance

Roland Wegmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Roland,
	I am working on a similar task myself.  These popped up on Google[0]  
and look decent:


Debian Kernel 2.6 How To[1]
Recompiling a kernel the Debian way[2]
Build your own kernel for Debian GNU/Linux[3]

[0] -  


[1] - 
[2] - 
[3] - 

Regards,
- -- 
Barry C. Hawkins

All Things Computed
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Cannot build Eclipse 3.0 RC3 using source fetch

[Barry Hawkins]

List,
Has anyone managed to build Eclipse 3.0 RC3 using the sourceBuild-srcFetch 
method?  My build fails, and although I see "Fatal error" messages as the text 
scrolls by, it halts with these lines:

install:

BUILD FAILED
/usr/local/src/eclipse-sourceBuild-srcFetch-3.0RC3/buildScripts/build.xml:63: 
taskdef class org.eclipse.pde,internal.build.tasks.IdReplaceTask cannot be found

Total time: 14 minutes 24 seconds

   I have installed a number of GTK libraries hoping that would help matters, 
but so far no success.  Could anyone share some insight on whether success is 
possible or if it is currently not possible?  Thanks in advance.

Regards, 
-- 
Barry Hawkins
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Touchpad control on a PowerBook

[Barry Hawkins]

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Johannes Mockenhaupt wrote:
| On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 12:01:20PM +, Erik Chakravarty wrote:
|

[...]
| Not with pbbuttonsd. AFAIR disabling the trackpad can't be done with any
| other tool either. If you got some time to spare you could hack
mouseemu to
| disable/enable the trackpad via signal USR1/USR2.
|
| Johannes
Guys,
~If you have the powerpc-utils package installed, the trackpad
utility allows you to control the trackpad:

# trackpad --help
usage: trackpad notap|tap|drag|lock|show

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Gnome install via aptitude breaks a package

[Barry Hawkins]

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List,
~I was wanting to try Gnome out on my sid installation, since so many
of my main apps and widgets seem to be GTK-based.  When I try to install
the gnome package, I am warned of a broken package:

libpt-plugins-dc
...
libpc-plugins-dc depends on libdc1394-10 [UNAVAILABLE]

In my apt sources.list I have:

# pair.com Debian mirrors; using http instead of
# because of T-Mobile GPRS issues.
deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ unstable main non-free contrib

# Official Bluez sources from bluez.sourceforge.net (per Linux Unwired)
deb http://bluez.sourceforge.net/download/debian/ ./
deb-src http://bluez.sourceforge.net/download/debian/ ./

# Daenzer DRI trunk for sid
deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-sid ./


~Are others running Gnome, and if so, have you not encountered this
issue?  If so, how did you handle it?  Your insight would be welcomed.

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Re: Gnome install via aptitude breaks a package

[Barry Hawkins]

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Barry Hawkins wrote:
| List,
| ~I was wanting to try Gnome out on my sid installation, since so many
| of my main apps and widgets seem to be GTK-based.  When I try to install
| the gnome package, I am warned of a broken package:
|
| libpt-plugins-dc
| ...
| libpc-plugins-dc depends on libdc1394-10 [UNAVAILABLE]
|

[...]
I installed anyway and saw no broken packages and had no issues.

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Wrong permission for '/dev/pmu' device error in Gnome

[Barry Hawkins]

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List,
~Do any of you with more history with Gnome have some info on the
proper way to handle the /dev/pmu error when Gnome starts up?  I have
seen posts on Debian lists and elsewhere with folks changing the
permissions on /dev/pmu manually, and then udev overwrites it, etc.
Nothing I have read so far seems like a proper solution.
~If anyone has insight on the proper way to handle this issue, I
would really appreciate it.
~If this issue sounds totally foreign to the list, let me know and I
can provide more information.

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Re: Wrong permission for '/dev/pmu' device error in Gnome

[Barry Hawkins]

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Michael Schmitz wrote:
|>~Do any of you with more history with Gnome have some info on the
|>proper way to handle the /dev/pmu error when Gnome starts up?  I have
|
|
| The proper way to handle this is to change the corresponding Gnome applet
| to cope with readonly access to /dev/pmu. Plain and simple.
I have removed all applets I enabled on my own, and the issue still
persists.  Does anyone have recommendations for how to plainly and
simply isolate the problematic Gnome applet?  syslog doesn't have
anything that helped me zero in on it.

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Re: Wrong permission for '/dev/pmu' device error in Gnome

[Barry Hawkins]

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Sven Luther wrote:
| On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:21:36AM -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote:
[...]
| This is a FAQ, and you should either fix the permissions, or if you
use udev
| go into the configuration file of used to have it set the permissions
| properly.
|
| There were previous detailed emails about this, either here or on
| debian-gtk-gnome, so check the email archives, or google.
[...]
I have searched Google, this list, and debian-gtk-gnome prior to posting
the question.  If this is a FAQ, I have not seen anything that helped me
isolate the issue.

Searching Google for "wrong permission /dev/pmu" only yields a total of
26 results, all but 8 of which are screened for being duplicates:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=wrong+permission+%2Fdev%2Fpmu&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial>

The only meaningful results from the Google search is this message from
Kiko Piris in a July 2004 thread:
<http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/07/msg00462.html>

Applying Kiko's recommendation did not change the situation.  Also, I
don't think mucking about with udev is something we'd like to pass on to
the average user.

There were a number of Ubuntu-related hits, but none of them led to
anything substantial.

Searching debian-powerpc and debian-gtk-gnome for any of the following
over the past year yields no results (which is particularly interesting
given the subject of the July 2004 thread):
"pmu"
"wrong permission" (with partial match enabled)
"permission" (with partial match enabled) 28 hits, none relevant

I manually combed the 2004 archives month-by-month for debian-gtk-gnome
and didn't find anything, either.

So, if anyone has information about where this FAQ is addressed, I'd
love to have it.  Perhaps we can place the information in a more
conspicuous location for everyone.

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Re: Wrong permission for '/dev/pmu' device error in Gnome

[Barry Hawkins]

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Michel Dänzer wrote:
| On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 23:04 -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote:
[...]
|>I have removed all applets I enabled on my own, and the issue still
|>persists.  Does anyone have recommendations for how to plainly and
|>simply isolate the problematic Gnome applet?  syslog doesn't have
|>anything that helped me zero in on it.
|
|
| It's not a panel applet but gnome-settings-daemon, where the former acme
| was integrated.
|
|
Thank you, Michel.

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Re: Wrong permission for '/dev/pmu' device error in Gnome

[Barry Hawkins]

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Kiko Piris wrote:
| On 07/11/2004 at 23:24 -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote:
[...]
|>Applying Kiko's recommendation did not change the situation.
|
|
| Of course, because, AFAICS, the problem is not with the permissions of
| /dev/pmu, the problem is the "famous" bug in gnome.
|
| Btw, this was not a recomendation, I was simply pointing that I had that
| line in /etc/udev/links.conf (I had to do it because udev did not create
| the device by itself; no big deal OTOH).
|
Kiko,
~Sorry if that sounded like you had a recommendation that did not
work; that was not the intent.  I was mostly cataloguing my "good faith
effort" to find an answer before posting the question.  I find it odd
that this apparently-well-known Gnome bug has so little documentation
online in a form that would surface via searches on Google and our archives.

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Re: jdk for ppc

[Barry Hawkins]

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Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote:
|
| hi. i've been browsing and googling and haven't been able to find a
| jdk 1.4.x for debian ppc (or gnu/linux ppc for that
| matter)... blackdown, for one, seems to have abandoned support for
| powerpc since the 1.2 days.
|
| anyone knows of a 1.4.x implementation for this platform (i'm running
| on a new ibook G4, btw)?
|
| thanks,
| jao
You will need to get the IBM 1.4.2 JDK for pSeries Linux (32-bit
PowerPC).  If you are looking for a fully-functional JDK for your
platform, that's pretty much it.

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Re: Java debs anyone?

[Barry Hawkins]

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Eric Gaumer wrote:
[...]
| If you feel so passionate about free software then lets boycott the use
| of Java. Who is willing to go that far for their beliefs?
|
| Like I mentioned earlier, dump Java and start supporting mono. It's
| fully open and could easily rival Java. C# already fixes all the
| nuisances and problems Java has. It is what Java wanted to be.

Eric,
~Your claim that Mono "could easily rival Java" is rather general and
quite unfounded.  If you want to start a thread on Mono advocacy, then
feel free, but the issue at hand is appropriately respecting licenses.
~There are people on the Debian development teams who have gone to
great lengths to ensure that order and propriety are maintained within
the Debian packaging system, including observance of and adherence to
licenses.  If you are going to flout adherence to licensing, please keep
it to yourself and cease with this relativistic rhetoric.

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Re: Java missing again?

[Barry Hawkins]

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Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
| Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:51:40 -0500,
| Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|
|>Has anyone thought to port/extend java-package to work with the IBM PPC
|>JDK? I've used it with great success on Sun's JDK distributions on
x86. I'm
|>afraid I don't actually undestand it well enough to modify it, though.
|
|
| Hi Gregory, you'd better spend your energy in free runtimes ;-)
|
Arnaud,
~Many of us are eager for the free runtimes to catch up (and
beginning to get involved), but if you need to do many of the tasks a
typical Java developer would need, i.e. to run Eclipse to work on a J2EE
project, a full-blown 1.4 JDK is a necessity.  I had posted a question
similar to this about making a dummy package for PPC on the debian-java
list[0] on December 12th.
~With the recent flurry of posts about the need to use the IBM JDK,
wouldn't it make sense to enhance java-package to provide an option for
PPC folks, even it is a "bridge technology" of sorts while free java
catches up?

[0] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2004/12/msg9.html

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Re: Java missing again?

[Barry Hawkins]

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Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
[...]
| I just want you to know, that I don't have all the time I'd like working
| for Debian. So I prefer to give all my energy in packaging new gjdoc,
| new kaffe and try to run my projects and my packages with free tools.
[...]
I'd rather have your expertise on the free tools while us junior folks
work on these type things.  Once I get lucene to 1.4.3 I will take a
look at this.

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Re: No /dev/pmu

[Barry Hawkins]

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Matthew T. Atkinson wrote:
| 'ello,
|
| I remember a few months ago on this list there was some discussion about
| the dialogue box that pops up when a user logs into GNOME.  It says
| ``Error: Wrong permissions for /dev/pmu device.''  Michael Schmitz said
| that we should let him know if the problem persists, as he may be
| interested in  submitting a kernel patch to negate this issue.
|
| I am now using the GNOME 2.8 in Sarge and still get the box.  To be
| honest, I have grown so used to it now that it doesn't annoy me so much
| any more but I thought I'd post to let people know that on a
| PowerBook5,4 the problem still exists.
[...]
~I can confirm that this issue still exists as well with new
installations using Gnome 2.8.  The udev workaround of entering
something like the following in /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
still works:

pmu:root:audio:0660

~The most insightful comment on that thread back in Movember was
Michel Danzer's[0] which mentioned that the issue has to do with
references to acme integration in gnome-settings-daemon.  Does that
imply that this would be something for Gnome to fix upstream?  I have
not looked at the code or configuration files.

[0] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/11/msg00187.html

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Re: Cloning to an external video projector...

[Barry Hawkins]

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Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
[...]
|
| I have already a patched kernel but no more the sources! it was about
| sleeping (and I prefer this option). According to:
| http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/09/msg00272.html will the
| patch be integrated in the official trunc?
|
| I did merge XF86Config from Julian with some recommendations by Giuseppe
| Sacco (attached). The strange thing is that I have... he... abstract
| artistic colored rectangle on the video projector but the pointer is
| clean!.. Strange, isn't it? ;-)
|
| Cheers,
[...]
Arnaud,
~Is your PowerBook G4 an Aluminum or Titanium?

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Re: Cloning to an external video projector...

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Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
| Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:28:10 -0500,
[...]
| Yo Barry!
|
| I think it's a Titanium:
|
| $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
| processor : 0
| cpu   : 7447/7457, altivec supported
| clock : 1249MHz
| revision  : 1.1 (pvr 8002 0101)
| bogomips  : 831.58
| machine   : PowerBook5,2
| motherboard   : PowerBook5,2 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
| detected as   : 287 (PowerBook G4 15")
| pmac flags: 001b
| L2 cache  : 512K unified
| memory: 512MB
| pmac-generation   : NewWorld
|
| To clarify my problem, here is a photo with the laptop and an external
| monitor. To be sure you understand my problem, the GDM login screen you
| see on my laptop (sorry for the poor quality of the shoot) should appear
| on the external monitor!
| http://people.debian.org/~avdyk/external_monitor.jpg
|
Arnaud,
~Ah, you have an Aluminum.  Here's the info from my Titanium
PowerBook IV:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
cpu : 7455, altivec supported
clock   : 1000MHz
revision: 3.3 (pvr 8001 0303)
bogomips: 997.90
machine : PowerBook3,5
motherboard : PowerBook3,5 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh
detected as : 80 (PowerBook Titanium IV)
pmac flags  : 000b
L2 cache: 256K unified
memory  : 1024MB
pmac-generation : NewWorld

~I am facing the same need for some upcoming presentations.  I know
some folks have experimented with m3mirror in a thread back in
October[0], but I don't think anyone has reported success.

[0] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/10/msg00392.html

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Re: OT: BSD on G5 [Was: Re: Any Debian presence at MacWorld?]

[Barry Hawkins]

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Luis Sanjuan wrote:
[...]
| It might be changing. See, for example, this post in which
| FreeBSD developer P. Greham has recently announced a miniinst
| iso of FreeBSD for ppc:
|
| http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2004-December/000771.html
[...]
Having participated in testing on that port project for several months,
I can assure you that is nowhere near a release.  Peter Grehan, the
poster of that message, is the main force behind that effort, and he was
out for a few months last year.  If you want a stiff challenge of your
Mac hardware knowledge, give the FreeBSD install a go.

To give an idea of activity, here are message counts from the archives
for the FreeBSD PPC port for the past several months:

January 2005:   15 (and counting)
December 2004:  38
November 2004:   8 (Peter returns Nov. 30th)
October 2004:   19
September 2004: 42
August 2004:66 (Peter leaves ~Aug. 26th)

There are some really sharp folks on that list, and I wish them the
best, but it is no realm for any novice or even intermediate at this point.

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Re: PBG4 kernel 2.6.10 config

[Barry Hawkins]

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Pander wrote:
[...]
| Here is the PBG4 kernel 2.6.10 config
|
| http://home.versatel.nl/vgeloven/powerbook-g4-linux-kernel-configuration/
[...]
It oould be that I missed the info in an earlier thread, but could you
share which PBG4 this config is for?  All PowerBooks since 2001 have
been G4s and the kernel config for them varies quite a bit, particularly
with video card settings, wireless NICs, sensors, etc.

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Re: Powerbook white nights!

[Barry Hawkins]

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Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
| Hi all,
|
| I tested sleep7 patch with excellent results fro some times now. But I
| don't know why my laptop won't sleep now. I update (sid) nearly everyday
| but I don't remember removing something (of course!).
|
| What package did I remove? What did I do?!
|
| What do I need to sleep?..
Arnaud,
~I may be oversimplifying the question, but were you using
pbbuttonsd?  If so, is it still there?  Just a shot in the dark...

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Re: Apple's Developer Transition Kit

[Barry Hawkins]

On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 11:53:32AM +0200, Colin Leroy spake thus:
[...]
> http://developer.apple.com/transitionkit.html
> 
> Looks like hackers can get an x86 Apple machine right now, if they fork
> $999. 
[...]
Be aware:

1.) You have to return this unit at the end of 2006; it has not been 
"purchased".

2.) This is only available to Select and Premier ADC members, which is usually 
far from what I would call a hacker.

3.) This is a G5 chassis desktop according to the picture shown in the keynote. 

-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Registered Linux User #368650


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Re: java: execute .jnlp files ?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:38:45AM +0800, William Xu spake thus:
> Hi, guys,
> 
> I've installed IBM's jdk1.4.2, and able to run some java
> applications. But still i can't execute .jnlp files. I notice that in
> Sun's jdk, javaws is used to run .jnlp, while in IBM's jdk, i only find
> javaw. What's the differences between javaws and javaw ? Any ideas?
[...]
William,
Hi.  IBM only has the Java(TM) Plug-In and WebStart(TM) for their x86 
JRE/JDK for Linux; you can double-check this in the docs - I am going from 
memory.  There was a previous thread about the IBM JRE/JDK that included 
discussion of this a few months back on this list.  
If they did have these facilities for PowerPC and you wanted it to behave 
like the Sun JRE/JDK handles .jnlp files on their supported architectures, one 
additional requirement would be updating the shared-mime-info database to 
execute javaws when .jnlp files are attempted to be launched.

Regards,
-- 
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Registered Linux User #368650


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Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:03 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:




Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Yes, you nailed it; an
nVidia-based 17" albook.  I briefly got past the issue I had posted 
and

experienced three different types of segmentation faults and weird
hangs.  Is there another kernel version I should try, or am I doomed
with this unit?
This particular PowerBook model seems to be a collage of the worst of
Apple's hardware configurations when it comes to trying to run Linux.
Does anybody have a recommendation on Apple laptops within the last 
two

years that are kind of the most suitable for running Debian?


Try what I did, that is boot with "nol3" on the kernel command line.
The best powerbook to run linux on currently are the previous models,
the 1Ghz Titanium with ATI graphics (not the newest ones).

I have one of the new iBook G4s on loan from Apple for a couple of 
weeks,
I'll see if I can get full support for this one as well. Full support 
for
the newest 15 and 17" machines will require some help from ATI; but 
there

is hope (for sleep support). There is currently no hope getting sleep
support to work on any nVidia based model.

Ben.


Ben,
	I just looked on Apple's site and apparently the first 17" PowerBooks 
are the only ones with the L3 cache; they have gone back to 512K SRAM 
L2 cache on the current 17s.  It may not be worth it.  I am seriously 
considering selling this system.


Thanks,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Kernel hangs during boot on PowerBook G4 17 1GHz

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 15, 2003, at 10:16 AM, Michael Schmitz wrote:


fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda4
/dev/hda4:
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the  
superblock

is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate
superblock:
 e2fsck -b 8193 

fsck failed.  Please repair manually and reboot.  Please note
that the root file system is currently mounted read-only.  To
Remount it read-write:

# mount -n -o remount,rw /


Add devfs=nomount to the kernel options ??

Michael

Michael,
	Thanks.  Ben's earlier recommendation of using the nol3 switch to  
disable the L3 cache on this particular PowerBook allowed it to boot,  
with the associated risks he mentioned.  That machine is listed on eBay  
right now  
 and I will resume activity  
once I have a more open-source-friendly machine in possession.


Regards,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Recommended Orinoco PCMCIA card?

[Barry Hawkins]

List,
	It looks like the Proxim Orinoco wireless cards work well with those 
needing to avoid the Broadcom-based Airport Extreme cards in Apple 
portables.  Any recommendation or enlightenment on whether the Silver 
World card versus the Gold World card makes a difference regarding 
Linux use?  Are folks getting 802.11g throughput in addition to 
802.11b?  Thanks in advance for the info.


Thanks,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Recommended Orinoco PCMCIA card?

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 21, 2003, at 11:16 AM, Michael Shields wrote:

In message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It looks like the Proxim Orinoco wireless cards work well with
those needing to avoid the Broadcom-based Airport Extreme
cards in Apple portables.  Any recommendation or enlightenment
on whether the Silver World card versus the Gold World card
makes a difference regarding Linux use?


They should both work, but the silver supports only 40-bit WEP, while
the gold supports 104-bit WEP which is less weak.  Both should work
equally well if you're using non-WEP access points.


Are folks getting
802.11g throughput in addition to 802.11b?


Note that the "Orinoco" 802.11g cards are entirely different from the
802.11b cards.  The 802.11b versions are the same as the venerable
Lucent "WaveLAN IEEE", which is extremely well-supported and is the
same chipset as in the first-generation Apple Airport base stations
and cards.  The newer versions with a and g support use Atheros
chipsets, which do not have stable Linux drivers.

There are other chipsets that are supported under Linux for 802.11g;
do some searching.
--
Shields.


Michael,
	Yes, unfortunately I have confirmed the incompatibility with a 
purchased card.  I have an Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g card which I bought 
thinking I would be OK since it had an 802.11b mode. Sadly, I cannot 
even get it to work in OS X, much less Linux.  The card is not even 
recognized by both the IOXperts driver for OS X and the open-source 
wireless driver at http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/
	The past couple of weeks have been expensive reminders of the "costs" 
of free software.  I will Google for the 802.11g-compatible Linux 
chipsets as you mentioned.  If anyone has good links for Linux and 
wireless, please feel free to post them.


Regards,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Caution when choosing PCMCIA wireless cards (was Re: 17 inch powerbook 1.33Ghz problems)

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 23, 2003, at 6:52 AM, Ryan Verner wrote:



On 23/12/2003, at 9:49 PM, Hubert Figuiere wrote:


On mar, 2003-12-23 at 10:51, Sven Luther wrote:


* Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)


Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
newer ibook/powerbooks ?


AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are  
not

physically compatible.
But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
PowerBook.


Nod, I can confirm both these statements.  The Airport/Airport Extreme  
cards are entirely new cards - different design, different chipset,  
different connector, everything.


Get yourself a cheap Orinoco or Prism based card; both have excellent  
support under Linux.


R

List,
	Several words of caution when it comes to picking out a PCMCIA 802.11  
card for your PowerBook.


1.) Not all Orinoco cards are equal.  I just found this out the hard  
way when I bought an Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g card after hearing that  
an Orinoco Silver card should work fine for Mac OS and Linux.  If you  
are looking to buy one of those, be sure to buy the "Classic" Orinoco  
802.11b card.  The classic models are based on the HERMES 1.0 chipset  
that so many of the drivers out there work with.  The newer cards have  
an unknown chipset, although some driver developers suspect it's a  
chipset from either Atheros or Broadcom (yes, the ones who make the  
mini-PCI AirPort Extreme card).  For more info, check out the messages  
I have attached below from Amanda Walker (author of the IOXperts driver  
http://www.ioxperts.com/) on the mailing list for the WirelessDriver  
project (http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/).


2.) Check around before you buy a card to make sure it is going to work  
for you.  Don't go solely on hearsay.  If you don't have an R&D fund to  
buy cards that end up being useless, this is important.  I paid  
expedited freight for a Proxim card that is useless to me.  Now I have  
a used Cisco Aironet 350 802.11b card also on its way to me.  The  
Lindows site has a page that lists cards known to work well with Linux,  
but I cannot find the link right now.


3.) 802.11g on PowerPC Linux is still apparently not for the faint of  
heart.  Consider yourself warned.  See the earlier thread "Re:  
Recommended Orinoco PCMCIA card?" at  
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200312/ 
msg00521.html).


Regards,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

MESSAGE 1:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	Subject: 	[Wirelessdriver-support] Re: PowerBook G4 15"/OS X  
10.3.2/Proxim Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g (Barry Hawkins)

Date:   December 21, 2003 5:17:55 PM EST
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Barry Hawkins  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This may be a quick question that confirms my fears.  Is the Proxim
Orinoco 802.11b/g card able to work with this driver in a 15" PowerBook
G4 with no AirPort Extreme card installed running Panther (OS X
10.3.2)?  I had hoped/gambled on the unit using its 802.11b as a
fallback if the 802.11g didn't work, but neither this driver nor the
IOXperts driver recognizes the presence of the card.


The Orinoco combo cards are based on an Atheros chipset, not the  
Lucent/Agere/Intersil/whoever-owns-them-now chip set that the  
WirelessDriver and IOXperts driver support.  The b/g and a/b/g chipsets  
are completely different, and would require a new driver written  
completely from scratch.


Because of the nature of the Broadcom and Atheros chipsets, it's highly  
unlikely that there will ever be a completely open source driver for  
them, though Sam Leffler has done a good job striking a deal with  
Atheros for his Linux and FreeBSD drivers (the module that talks to the  
hardware is distributed in binary only).  The big issue is that much,  
much more of the radio operation is exposed to the host, which makes  
the FCC very concerned about who should be able to twiddle the virtual  
knobs.  Operating at frequencies and power levels that you're not  
licensed for is a big no-no, especially since some of the allowable  
bands are surrounded by military-use bands :-).



Amanda Walker
(author of the IOXperts driver)


MESSAGE 2:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	Subject: 	Re: [Wirelessdriver-support] Re: PowerBook G4 15"/OS X  
10.3.2/Proxim Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g (Barry Hawkins)

Date:   December 22, 2003 3:07:19 AM EST
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Dec 21, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote:
	Thanks so much for responding.  I regretfully assumed that all Proxim  
Orinoco Silver cards used the same chipset, and I now own one of these  
relatively-useless items.  It's ironic that I bought it trying to get  
away from the Broadcom chipsets on AirPort Extreme

Re: yaboot 2.6.0 OSX 10.3.2

[Barry Hawkins]

On Dec 23, 2003, at 8:22 PM, Chris Tillman wrote:


On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 11:29:06PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:

Hi all,

I am new in installing Debian on a ppc. I've installed testing,
compiled a 2.6.0-ben1 succesful and want to have a dualboot.

When booting the yaboot panel appears. choosing l  gives me a
white screen. Ok, booting into firmware, boot hd:2,yaboot puts me in
the yaboot again. Fireing off enter boots me the kernel. Same if
booting like hd:5,/vmlinux-2.6.0-ben1-toy root=/dev/hdc6 ro.


Do you have the latest version of yaboot (>1.3.10)? For new
hardware you will need the latest version.

--
Debian GNU/Linux Operating System
  By the People, For the People
Chris Tillman (a people instance)
   toff one at cox dot net

If possible, use 1.3.11, since Ethan Benson's announcement of that 
release indicated that some issues specific to Aluminum PowerBooks were 
resolved in that version.  1.3.10 worked without issue in my 17" 
PowerBook G4 1GHz.


Regards,
--
Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Cannot boot via yaboot

[Barry Hawkins]

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List,
	Hello.  I have a problem booting my system that's similar to issue 
that others have had.  So far the workarounds that I have found in 
searching the list archives haven't gotten me out of this jam yet.
	The machine is a Titanium PowerBook G4 500MHz; the install was sarge 
upgraded to sid.  The 2.6.8-powerpc kernel was installed via the Debian 
Installer.
	Apparently when I installed mol, the kernel-image-2.4.25-power3 and 
its associates were installed, and horrible things happened to my 
yaboot configuration.  I was able to boot with my Debian Intaller disc 
and mount the filesystem.  I then entered a shell and inventoried the 
contents of /boot:


(The permissions, owner, etc. are left off of the transcription)
/target/boot # ls -la
System.map-2.4.25-power3
System.map-2.6.8-powerpc
config-2.4.25-power3
config-2.6.8-powerpc
first.b
initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
initrd.old -> initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
patches-2.4.25-power3
second.b
vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.4.25-power3
vmlinux-2.4.25-power3
vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc
vmlinux.coff-2.4.25-power3
vmlinux.old -> vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc

The contents of /etc/yaboot.conf were:
(Header omitted)
boot=/dev/hda9
device=/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
partition=11
root=/dev/hda11
timeout=100
install=/usr/lib/yaboot/yaboot
magicboot=/usr/lib/yaboot/ofboot
enablecdboot
macosx=/dev/hda12

image=/boot/vmlinux
label=Linux
read-only
initrd=/boot/initrd.img

image=/boot/vmlinux.old
label=old
read-only
initrd=/boot/initrd.img.old

When either of the labels is selected, the following message appears 
(The initrd.img in the message below is the one for 'old') and yaboot 
seems to perform the ofboot function:


Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.13
Enter "help" to get some basic usage information
boot:
  Linux  old
boot: old
Please wait, loading kernel...
   Elf32 kernel loaded...
Loading ramdisk...
/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:11,/boot/initrd.img.old: No 
such file or directory

ramdisk oad failed!

Apple PowerBook3,2 4.1.8f5 BootROM built on 03/21/01 at 11:49:53
Copyright 1994-2001 Apple Computer, Inc.
All Right Reserved.
...

  I find that odd, because when I manually specify the same (at least I 
think so) parameters from the boot: prompt, I can load the kernel up to 
where it panics.  (I had just finished migrating my email over to 
Thunderbird on Linux from Mail on Mac OS X before this happened 
.)  The kernel panic probably looks familiar to some:

...
VFS: Cannot open root device "hda11" or unknown-block(0,0)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)

So far I have tried the following lines at the "boot:" prompt:

hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 
initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc ro root=/dev/hda11 
initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc ro root=/dev/hda11 
initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc map=System.map-2.6.8-powerpc
hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 read-only 
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc

/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc
/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 read-only 
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc

hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 ro
hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 ro 
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc


If I am unable to boot using the old kernels, I am contemplating how 
else I might recover from this.  So far I have:


1.) Reinstall sid via the Debian Installer and hope for the best
2.) Install sid onto a free area and manually migrate the data
3.) Start from scratch 8^(

Those are in order of preference right now.  Any insight, suggestions, 
wisdom, etc. would be most appreciated.


Thanks,

Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: Cannot boot via yaboot

[Barry Hawkins]

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Barry Hawkins wrote:
| List,
| Hello.  I have a problem booting my system that's similar to issue
| that others have had.  So far the workarounds that I have found in
| searching the list archives haven't gotten me out of this jam yet.
| The machine is a Titanium PowerBook G4 500MHz; the install was sarge
| upgraded to sid.  The 2.6.8-powerpc kernel was installed via the Debian
| Installer.
| Apparently when I installed mol, the kernel-image-2.4.25-power3 and
| its associates were installed, and horrible things happened to my yaboot
| configuration.  I was able to boot with my Debian Intaller disc and
| mount the filesystem.  I then entered a shell and inventoried the
| contents of /boot:
|
| (The permissions, owner, etc. are left off of the transcription)
| /target/boot # ls -la
| System.map-2.4.25-power3
| System.map-2.6.8-powerpc
| config-2.4.25-power3
| config-2.6.8-powerpc
| first.b
| initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| initrd.old -> initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| patches-2.4.25-power3
| second.b
| vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.4.25-power3
| vmlinux-2.4.25-power3
| vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc
| vmlinux.coff-2.4.25-power3
| vmlinux.old -> vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc
|
| The contents of /etc/yaboot.conf were:
| (Header omitted)
| boot=/dev/hda9
| device=/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:
| partition=11
| root=/dev/hda11
| timeout=100
| install=/usr/lib/yaboot/yaboot
| magicboot=/usr/lib/yaboot/ofboot
| enablecdboot
| macosx=/dev/hda12
|
| image=/boot/vmlinux
| label=Linux
| read-only
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img
|
| image=/boot/vmlinux.old
| label=old
| read-only
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img.old
|
| When either of the labels is selected, the following message appears
| (The initrd.img in the message below is the one for 'old') and yaboot
| seems to perform the ofboot function:
|
| Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.13
| Enter "help" to get some basic usage information
| boot:
|   Linux  old
| boot: old
| Please wait, loading kernel...
|Elf32 kernel loaded...
| Loading ramdisk...
| /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:11,/boot/initrd.img.old: No
| such file or directory
| ramdisk oad failed!
|
| Apple PowerBook3,2 4.1.8f5 BootROM built on 03/21/01 at 11:49:53
| Copyright 1994-2001 Apple Computer, Inc.
| All Right Reserved.
| ...
|
|   I find that odd, because when I manually specify the same (at least I
| think so) parameters from the boot: prompt, I can load the kernel up to
| where it panics.  (I had just finished migrating my email over to
| Thunderbird on Linux from Mail on Mac OS X before this happened
| .)  The kernel panic probably looks familiar to some:
| ...
| VFS: Cannot open root device "hda11" or unknown-block(0,0)
| Please append a correct "root=" boot option
| Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
|
| So far I have tried the following lines at the "boot:" prompt:
|
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11
| initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc ro root=/dev/hda11
| initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc ro root=/dev/hda11
| initrd=initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc map=System.map-2.6.8-powerpc
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 read-only
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc
| /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 read-only
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 ro
| hd:11,/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda11 ro
| initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc
|
| If I am unable to boot using the old kernels, I am contemplating how
| else I might recover from this.  So far I have:
|
| 1.) Reinstall sid via the Debian Installer and hope for the best
| 2.) Install sid onto a free area and manually migrate the data
| 3.) Start from scratch 8^(
|
| Those are in order of preference right now.  Any insight, suggestions,
| wisdom, etc. would be most appreciated.
|
I ended up installing Debian onto a spare partition, and to my amazement
the Debian Installer had set up a yaboot entry for my original Linux
install!  There were 3, actually, and they all had the same label.  I
removed the two for vmlinux and ran ybin -v.  I tried rebooting and
choosing the label that referred to my main install, and it booted just
fine.  I can't say that I understand what happened, but I'll take it for
~ now.

Goodnight,

- --
Barry Hawkins
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com
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Permission denied on startx after suspend resume

[Barry Hawkins]

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List,
	I rebooted after waking from suspend on my Titanium PowerBook G4 
500MHz and began experiencing an inability to log on via the KDM 
prompt.  I would enter my credentials, the screen would go black, then 
show the default X background, then reload the KDM login prompt.  I 
went to a console login via Alt + N, and was able to login there.  When 
trying to run startx, the following errors are encountered among the 
XFree86 output:


Writing authority file /home/barryh/.Xauthority
/usr/bin/X11/startx: line 131: /dev/null: Permission denies
Using authority file /home/barryh/.Xauthority
Writing authority file /home/barryh/.Xauthority
...
(Usual XFree86 info
...
/etc/X11/Xsession: line 81: /dev/null: Permission denied
/etc/X11/Xsession: line 84: /dev/null: Permission denied
Xsession: unable to create X session log/error file; aborting.
/etc/X11/Xsession: line 18: /dev/null: Permission denied

waiting for X server to shut down

/usr/bin/X11/startx: line 150: /dev/null: Permission denied

	This problem exhibited itself beforehand, but I should also mention 
that the compilation of the modules image for the drm-trunk did not 
succeed.  The error messages were as follows:


make[4]: *** Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1'
/usr/src/modules/drm-trunk/Makefile.kernel:50: 
/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1/Rules.make: No such file or directory
make[5]: *** Mo rule to make target 
'/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1/Rules.make'.  Stop.

make[4]: *** [_module_/usr/src/modules/drm-trunk] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1'
make[3]: *** [modules] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/modules/drm-trunk'
make[3]: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/modules/drm-trunk'
make[3]: *** [kdist_image] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/modules/drm-trunk'
Module /usr/src/modules/drm-trunk failed.

	This may be some neophyte error and common occurrence that I have yet 
to experience, but if someone has a suggestion, I would love to hear 
it.


System info:
Debian sid via Debian Installer
Linux Kernel 2.6.8.1 from kernel.org
XFree86 Version 4.2.99.2 (DRI trunk) / X Window System (Daenzer sources)

Regards,

Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: Permission denied on startx after suspend resume

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Oct 13, 2004, at 8:02 AM, Ken Moffat wrote:


On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Barry Hawkins wrote:

List,
I rebooted after waking from suspend on my Titanium PowerBook G4
500MHz and began experiencing an inability to log on via the KDM
prompt.  I would enter my credentials, the screen would go black, then
show the default X background, then reload the KDM login prompt.  I
went to a console login via Alt + N, and was able to login there.  
When

trying to run startx, the following errors are encountered among the
XFree86 output:

Writing authority file /home/barryh/.Xauthority
/usr/bin/X11/startx: line 131: /dev/null: Permission denies


 It sounds as if /dev/null has been trashed.  Does `ls -l /dev/null'
show something like this ?

crw-rw-rw-  1 root root   1,   3   (a date) /dev/null

 If it's just the permissions, chmod 666 /dev/null.  If something has
overwritten it so that it's now a regular file, delete it and

mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3

 When /dev/null doesn't work, all bets are off in trying to interpret
other errors.

Ken,
The state of /dev/null turned out to be this:

~# ls -l /dev/null
- -rw-r--r--  1 root root 0 2004-10-13 14:11 /dev/null

Even though it looked like /dev/null needed to be recreated, I first 
changed the permissions.  Running:


~# chmod 666 /dev/null
~# ls -l /dev/null
- -rw-rw-rw-  1 root root 19 2004-10-13 14:18 /dev/null

allowed me to run startx without any errors.  However, as you can see, 
/dev/null is now a regular file.  I proceeded to delete /dev/null and 
recreate it as you had suggested as shown below:


~# mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3
~# ls -l /dev/null
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 2004-10-13 14:24 /dev/null

I then rebooted the machine just to see the effect of the repaired 
/dev/null in total.  KDM allowed me to log in just fine, and it even 
seems to have remediated some font sizing issues that had arisen once 
this issue began.
	Many thanks for your helpful insight on this issue.  That could have 
taken me days to track down.


Regards,

Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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Re: Permission denied on startx after suspend resume

[Barry Hawkins]

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Carsten Milling wrote:
| On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:34:42AM -0400, Barry Hawkins wrote:
| [...]
|
|>The state of /dev/null turned out to be this:
|>
|>~# ls -l /dev/null
|>- -rw-r--r--  1 root root 0 2004-10-13 14:11 /dev/null
|>
|
| [...]
|
| Just a guess, did you compile/install a vanilla 2.6.8 kernel as root?
| This kernel had a bad Makefile for ppc that trashes /dev/null during
| make/make modules_install. So you would have to recreate /dev/null
| whenever you recompile this kernel. The Makefile has been fixed in the
| latest 2.6.9 prepatches (since 2.6.9-rc3 I believe).
|
| Best regards,
| Carsten Milling
Carsten,
~You are exactly right.  Thanks for solving that mystery for me.

Regards,
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Good TiBook wallpapers?

[Barry Hawkins]

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I know it sounds silly, but I am wanting some wallpapers
(Debian-promoting ones, if possible) that look good on the non-standard
screen dimensions of 1152x768 and 1280x854 for PowerBooks.  It's my
reward to myself for getting Bluetooth and GPRS working.

Thanks,
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All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Registered Linux User #368650
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Re: Good TiBook wallpapers?

[Barry Hawkins]

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just some guy wrote:
| hello,
|   you might want to try a site called
| deviantart.com...i think that's the address or you can
| just type "deviant art" into yahoo.  not sure about
| debian ones, but they have a bunch of mac associated
| ones as well as other arty wallpapers.
|
| d.
|

Thanks guys.

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All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

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Re: powerbook g4

[Barry Hawkins]

On Jan 11, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Alessandro Riz -ml wrote:


Hi,
 Yesterday I buy a powerbook g4 12" and now I wold like to install
debian sid.
I found some article on internet but I've a problem...
When I press at the start apple+alt+o+f it don't start Open Firmware...
What should I do to enter in it?

Thanks
 Alessandro
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Immediately after the chime, press the keys that you have mentioned, 
and continue to hold them until your OpenFirmware prompt appears.  This 
takes considerably longer than the Titanium series of PowerBooks in my 
experience.  I have no idea why.


Regards,
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All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com

Re: Installing Debian using debian-sarge-netinst.iso (powerpc)

[Barry Hawkins]

On Feb 23, 2004, at 1:45 AM, Derrik Pates wrote:


sebyte wrote:
I have partitioned my hard drive, (using Apple's Disk Utility), as 
follows:


As was mentioned in another reply, you shouldn't try to do the 
partitioning through Apple's Disk Utility. IMHO, it's terrible, not to 
mention it wastes big chunks of space between partitions for no 
discernable reason at all.


Also, I don't believe you'll be able to write to a MacOS/OpenStep UFS 
filesystem from Linux anyway. I think there's a way you can make a 
FAT32 filesystem in an Apple partition, and use that, and if possible 
that's probably your best bet.


And since you're installing on a laptop, why are you splitting your 
main filesystem into partitions? Especially "/boot, /tmp, /var, /usr, 
/home, etc." all on one FS? That's a very poor layout, really. Better 
to just go with one FS for your root, one for the exchange partition, 
one for OS X, the 800 KB bootstrap partition, and your swap partition. 
Also, after you've set up the MacOS X partition, and got it all happy, 
do the rest of the partition in Linux using mac-fdisk. You'll save a 
lot of space that way.



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Derrik,
	You mention an exchange partition above.  What does that refer to?  Is 
it a partition for the /var mount point?  I am unfamiliar with that 
term.  I normally do my PowerBooks like this:


800K bootstrap
swap
root filesystem for Linux
mac os x partition

I am always interested in learning more, so I thought I would ask.

Thanks,
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All Things Computed
site: www.allthingscomputed.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com