Giving away old/replacement parts for Thinkpads X40/X201 etc.
Folks, I've been clearing out my shelves and put a bunch of X40/X201, even some X32 parts onto Ebay: http://www.ebay.de/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=martin.f.krafft&_sop=1 If any of you want/need any of those, feel free to bid or let me know and I'll try to cancel an auction and get the part(s) to you otherwise. Not looking to make profit, just don't want to throw stuff out others might need. (two 1.8" HDDs with 40GB each are going to be added, as well as a bag of random X40 parts and screws) Please reply in private. Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian developer `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems ubuntu is an ancient african word meaning "i can't install debian." -- unknown digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: thinkpad freeze
also sprach Martin Hauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.20.1907 +0100]: > as X has been updated recently on unstable (am there too) to > 6.9.0... maybe something got screwed up with that. Did you check > /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/messages If X is locking your > system you probably find information in the first, otherwise maybe > in the 2. Did acpid get upgraded and restarted? Check aptitude's log. If so, then there's a bug filed already. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP (sub)keys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! oxymoron: micro$oft works signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: thinkpad freeze [solved]
also sprach Ryan Nowakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.21.0715 +0100]: > It looks like it was acpid. I stopped it and now I can run X perfectly. > What's that bug number? #345537 and #347680 -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP (sub)keys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/badgers.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: thinkpad freeze
also sprach Ryan Nowakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.21.0929 +0100]: > Oops. I spoke too soon. Disabling acpid did not stop the freezes. Are you disabling it from within the X session? Try disabling it and then starting X. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP (sub)keys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! there is no place like ~ signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
wireless-tools and WEP passphrases
Dear all, multiple times I have already run into a problem with WEP keys when trying to connect a Linux machine to a WEP-enabled network. The problem only occurs if I enter the passphrase in ASCII mode; if I enter the hexadecimal digits straight from the AP's configuration point, it'll work just fine. Let's assume the WEP passphrase is 'debian-laptop'. If I execute iwconfig eth2 key s:debian-laptop iwconfig will subsequently show the key as 6465-6269-616E-2D6C-6170-746F-70 d e b i a n - l a p t o p However, if I enter the same key into the AP's configuration interfave (I've tried it with many many APs), it gets converted to the following hex string: 292C-B0E7-EC10-92BB-C518-4487-96 (some binary string, I cannot map it off hand) If I pass this key to wireless-tools: iwconfig eth0 key 292C-B0E7-EC10-92BB-C518-4487-96 I then can associate with the AP. You can use [0] to generate this key. 0. http://www.powerdog.com/wepkey.cgi?phrase=debian-laptop It seems that OS X is also suffering from this problem. Could someone explain to me what's going on? Cheers, -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system "i hate vulgar realism in literature. the man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one. it is the only thing he is fit for." -- oscar wilde signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: wireless-tools and WEP passphrases
also sprach Laurent CARON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.05.24.0631 -0500]: > converting ascii to hex keys is not really a standardized thing. so why do all APs and Windows all do it one and the same way? And why doesn't Linux do it that way? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system "life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." -- john lennon signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: kernel 2.4.9 doesn't seem to have wvlna_cs driver
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:50:53PM +0200, A. Demarteau (linux rules!) wrote: > > hi, > > After some checking, I found out that the kernel 2.4.9 sources (that is > > the standart kernel-sources) do not include the wvlan_cs driver neede for > > all new 802.11 and 802.11b wireless cards. > > Is there a patch somehwere os debian-package including it? pcmcia support in the kernel still isn't the best. i would go with pcmcia-cs from pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net, which supports wvlan_cs out of the box (i am using it right now). you will have to *disable* all pcmcia support in the kernel and install the kernel modules yourself (with make-kpkg and the pcmcia-source package, or just with the plain tar.gz file). martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redistribution of this email via the micros~1 network is prohibited. pgp0rcflKk1SY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: autoproxy internet
please send the output of lynx -dump http://autoproxy.wg.waii.com/internet martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpZmt5gsNGmk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: autoproxy internet
also sprach Wayne Schneider (on Tue, 18 Sep 2001 04:31:27AM -0600): > I set the environment as stated, but I get the following output: > > 0% [connecting to autoproxy.wg.waii.com][connecting to > autoproxy.wg.waii.com] Something wicked happened resolving > 'autoproxy.wg.waii.com:http err that's because the URL is not a proxy, but proxy auto-configuration, which is why i need the output of the lynx call. martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpHDnJA8kV36.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [laptop] Wireless Networking
also sprach Kent Pirkle (on Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:56:05PM -0400): > I finally broke down and bought an Omnibook 500 to > run Debian on. I would like to set up wireless networking > to my cable modem. Has anyone found a 802.11b wireless LAN > card that works well w/Debian? Any suggestions for a combo > access point/cable modem router/hub? i use the orinico silver card with an addtron AP-11 access point. works with the wvlan_cs driver and never gave me problems. the access point has a range of about 200 feet, so maybe you can find something with longer range, but i have been happy so far. i can't use WEP though, which i argue is a result of the wvlan_cs driver's lack of capability... martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck -- "in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is not king. he is taken to be a hallucinating lunatic." -marshall mcluhan PGP signature
Re: [laptop] Wireless Networking
also sprach Alan Shutko (on Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:42:24PM -0400): > I use WEP every day with an Orinoco Silver and wvlan_cs. What version > of pcmcia-cs are you using? (3.1.25 here.) me too, but somehow i can't get the access point and the card to communicate. if i configure the access point with password "alan," and i configure the wvlan_cs driver too, i get no connection. what access point do you have? martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck -- out of my mind. back in five minutes. PGP signature
Re: kernel 2.4.9 doesn't seem to have wvlna_cs driver
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:50:53PM +0200, A. Demarteau (linux rules!) wrote: > > hi, > > After some checking, I found out that the kernel 2.4.9 sources (that is > > the standart kernel-sources) do not include the wvlan_cs driver neede for > > all new 802.11 and 802.11b wireless cards. > > Is there a patch somehwere os debian-package including it? pcmcia support in the kernel still isn't the best. i would go with pcmcia-cs from pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net, which supports wvlan_cs out of the box (i am using it right now). you will have to *disable* all pcmcia support in the kernel and install the kernel modules yourself (with make-kpkg and the pcmcia-source package, or just with the plain tar.gz file). martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck -- redistribution of this email via the micros~1 network is prohibited. PGP signature
Re: autoproxy internet
please send the output of lynx -dump http://autoproxy.wg.waii.com/internet martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck PGP signature
Re: autoproxy internet
also sprach Wayne Schneider (on Tue, 18 Sep 2001 04:31:27AM -0600): > I set the environment as stated, but I get the following output: > > 0% [connecting to autoproxy.wg.waii.com][connecting to > autoproxy.wg.waii.com] Something wicked happened resolving > 'autoproxy.wg.waii.com:http err that's because the URL is not a proxy, but proxy auto-configuration, which is why i need the output of the lynx call. martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck PGP signature
installation procedure for pcmcia network install
hi folks, no, this by far isn't my first debian install, not even on a laptop, and no, i am not stupid. but somehow i am perplexed by how debian wants the installation on a laptop to work. i have this new latitude C800 sitting here, with a beautiful xircom ethernet card. i used the 3.0.28-compact boot floppy set from woody, and partitioned, installed driver modules and all that. now i want to get the network up to be able to install from ftp. the pcmcia card is not plugged in, and i configure pcmcia support for the controller only, not for serial or cdrom devices. it does not complain. then i insert the card, it beeps, and the system freezes. if i have the card in the slot while installing pcmcia, it freezes. what gives? what am i doing wrong? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck i took an iq test and the results were negative. msg06065/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: installation procedure for pcmcia network install
[originating from a debian-laptop thread...] [also posted to the pcmcia-cs forums...] also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.1606 +0100]: > the pcmcia card is not plugged in, and i configure pcmcia support for > the controller only, not for serial or cdrom devices. it does not > complain. then i insert the card, it beeps, and the system freezes. if > i have the card in the slot while installing pcmcia, it freezes. what > gives? what am i doing wrong? okay, i installed from cdrom and got a running system. now i load /etc/init.d/pcmcia and cardmgr reports success: [ a whole lot of init msgs for the modules ] cardmgr: starting version is 3.1.28 cardmgr: watching 2 sockets now lsmod reports ds, i82365, and pcmcia_core to be loaded. then i insert the card: kernel: cs: cb_allow(bus 32): vendor 0x115d, device 0x0003 cardmgr: initializing socket 0 kernel: ROM image dump: cs: cb_config(bus 32) cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x290-0x297 0x378-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0298-0x0377: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x04cf: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff:_ the final '_' is the blinking cursor, and it just hangs there forever. completely frozen. the same thing happens with a lucent wavelan card, a 3c575_cs, the adaptec slimscsi 1460c, and a 8mb compaq flashcard. this is on Debian Woody from the lob.de CDs from System 2001 pcmcia-cs version 3.1.28 on kernel 2.2.19 (debian stock) any help would be appreciated! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck friends help you move. real friends help you move bodies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FIXED] Re: installation procedure for pcmcia network install
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.1831 +0100]: > kernel: cs: cb_allow(bus 32): vendor 0x115d, device 0x0003 > cardmgr: initializing socket 0 > kernel: ROM image dump: > cs: cb_config(bus 32) > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x290-0x297 0x378-0x37f > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > cs: IO port probe 0x0298-0x0377: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x04cf: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff:_ > > the final '_' is the blinking cursor, and it just hangs there > forever. completely frozen. mh. a line exclude port 0x0800-0x08ff in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts fixed that problem, and i am online. this is weird though. does anyone know why the latitude C800 has something in this port range, which dell doesn't document, and which the internet doesn't know about? or is this just another "feature" of dell to make linux hard? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck micro$oft windoze: proof that p. t. barnum was correct. msg06068/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PCMCIA-Ethernet without cardmgr
also sprach Holger Paschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.15.1106 +0100]: > Digging using the usual sources, I only find comments referring to the > pcmcia-cs-based setup of PCMCIA NICs. Nothing about the magic of > cardmgr, that initializes the eth0 device. RTFS cardmgr. > Does anyone on this list have an idea (perhaps some kernel parameters), > how one can get an eth0 device for the PCMCIA NIC without the > pcmcia-cs/cardmgr stuff? no. even the flakey pcmcia support in 2.4.x needs cardmgr to monitor the slots. if you really don't have enough space for the entire binary, but down the code to the bare minimum. oh, and have fun doing so ;^> -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck as i learn the innermost secrets of the people around me, they reward me in many ways to keep me quiet. msg06348/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dri/3daccel radeon9600
also sprach my <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.17.0551 +0200]: > Could someone please be so kind as to tell me how to get dri > enabled in sarge. The install went perfectly, but all I need to > do is somehow recompile the kernel I already have in as few steps > as possible(configuration I can do) but I need more consise or > precise help than the stuff from google. I don't think XFree 4.3.x supports the Radeon 9600 chip yet. You can download the ATI driver as RPM and use alien to install it though. > I presume that if I use a vanilla kernel, do make config, then > make install, that should be enough, or is there a debian way that > does eveything for me, than one can do in three or four steps > rather than two pages. After recompile, the ati proprietary > drivers should simply install from the alien made deb, then > fglxrconfig and I should be able to load dri as a module, or am > I wrong, and why? Use the Debian kernel and you are on the safe side. Or use kernel-package's make-kpkg with a Debian kernel as basis. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dri/3daccel radeon9600
also sprach James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.19.1702 +0200]: > Is the Radeon 9000 supported? I just got a new portable (prostar clevo)? Yes, I think so. But then again, maybe the 9600 is too. Here are the 9xxx supported by my X (4.3.0.dfsg.1-4): ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835, ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP), ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP), ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NP (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP) -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: proposal: RFC **Wiki is running** [create a documentation packages for each laptop brand-series ]
also sprach Alex Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.23.0147 +0200]: > So, I have setup a Wiki. I originally set it up for the > http://www.shorewall.net users, but almost no one really contributes to > it. It was for a FAQ though, the debian laptop list is more active and > community based. So, check it out, lets see what happens... > > http://wiki.rettc.com/wiki.phtml?title=Debian_Laptop Why did you not set it up on wiki.debian.net where it belongs? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: proposal: RFC **Wiki is running** [create a documentation packages for each laptop brand-series ]
also sprach Alex Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.23.2242 +0200]: > I am not sure where anything is supposed to belong really... no problem. can we move to wiki.debian.net before it's too late then? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: using an SD-card
also sprach Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.08.19.1214 +0200]: > Martin List-Petersen suggested to try to use usb_storage, can you break > that down for me please? I believe it is a kernel_module but it isn't > listed by lsmod (usbhid and usbcore are). Install the latest hotplug from unstable. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: whole lot of ACPI problems with self compiled kernel
also sprach Martin Steigerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.01.22.0901 +0100]: > 2) suspend-to-disk doesn't work at all. I get > > "swsusp: FATAL: cannot find swap device, try swapon -a" FYI: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110789536921510&w=2 -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: whole lot of ACPI problems with self compiled kernel
also sprach Martin Steigerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.10.1645 +0100]: > Hmmm, ich bilde mir ein, das auch mit einem Vanilla-Kernel probiert zu > haben? Geht es bei Dir mit einem Vanilla-Kernel? Bist Du mittlerweile mit > dem Thema weitergekommen? I did not try with the vanilla kernel. > Das ist echt noch eine große Baustelle bei Linux. not for long. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Announcing Debian kernel-patch-suspend2/experimental
Hello, world. I have just finished the first public (yet EXPERIMENTAL!) version of the Debian software suspend 2 patch (www.suspend2.net). The patch integrates with Debian's kernel-package and modifies the kernel-image in such a way as to automatically modify any initial ramdisk and reinitialise swap partitions to preven data loss. The patch currently supports Debian kernels 2.6.8 and 2.6.10. For best results, use the latest kernel. I did most of my testing with 2.6.10 on i386. Patches for 2.4.2[789] and 2.6.11 are also included but not tested. 2.4.27 does not currently apply to the Debian kernels, but should be usable with vanilla ones. Help in porting the patch to other Debian kernels would be greatly appreciated. I am especially looking for an elegant way to support Debian and vanilla kernels from the same source. I am not going to upload the patch to unstable yet, but it has been submitted to the Debian experimental archive. It will go into unstable when I have received enough positive feedback and no serious bugs exist. At this point, I want to thank Nigel and everyone else who contributed for the slick patch, which works very nicely. Also thanks to Nigel for backporting the 2.1 version to the 2.6.8.1 kernel, which is going to be the standard 2.6 kernel for Debian sarge. If you want to give the patch a whirl, you can obtain it from the following APT repository: deb http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ deb-src http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ then install it: apt-get update apt-get install kernel-patch-suspend2 and then compile the kernel: tar xjf /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 cd kernel-source-2.6.10 make-kpkg --added-patches suspend2 ... binary Then, install the kernel-image and reboot. Note that I did my testing using an initial ramdisk (basically the plain Debian kernel with SUSPEND2 enabled). If you can use an initial ramdisk, pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg and be done. Without an initial ramdisk, you have to make sure to pass the right 'resume2' value to the kernel via Grub/Lilo, or whichever is your bootloader. I plan to add a warning about this when I have more time. I suggest also pulling in the hibernate image (kernel images with this patch will Recommend it). With UseSwsusp2 set to yes in /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf, just running 'hibernate' should suspend the machine, and it should come back up without any more of your doing when you start it again. Even though I did all testing on my productive machine(s) and lost no data (knock on wood), it's probably best if you try it on a less-important machine. Nevertheless, you can turn off $CHECK_SWAP_PARTITIONS_ON_BOOT in /etc/default/suspend2 to prevent the swap partition check. Make sure to read http://suspend2.net/HOWTO-4.html#ss4.4 about this issue. Have fun, feedback welcome. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[WARNING] kernel-patch-suspend2 buggy
Unfortunately, I overlooked a grave (silly) error in version 2.1.8-1
of the suspend2 Debian kernel patch. The error may well prevent you
from booting. I sincerely hope that noone (but me) has fallen into
that trap yet. A new package version, 2.1.8-2, is available from the
APT repository:
deb http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/
deb-src http://debian.maduck.net
~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/
If you would rather not recompile your kernel, you can apply the
following patch to /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/suspend2-* :
--- kernel-patch-suspend2-2.1.8.orig/debian/mkinitrd-script
+++ kernel-patch-suspend2-2.1.8/debian/mkinitrd-script
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
if [ ! -d /proc ]; then
echo E: /proc is not available. >&2
- echo E: this calls for suicide... okay, I'll try to continue instead... >&2
+ echo E: this calls for suicide, but I will try to continue... >&2
exit 0
fi
Then, run `dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-${version}` to have the
initial ramdisk remade.
If you fell prey to this error and you now have an unbootable
system, then please use a Debian or Knoppix CD (or any other boot
CD), mount your root filesystem, and the /boot, /var, and /usr
filesystems, chroot into the hierarchy, make the change, and run
dpkg-reconfigure.
Sorry for being so careless. I really hope noone has been bitten.
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Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: [WARNING] kernel-patch-suspend2 buggy
also sprach Vincent Bernat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.06.1012 +0100]: > Are you sure that your patch is complete ? I don't see how such a > patch could fix something. :) Well, it is a syntax error, and the script executes with -e, so it aborts. Since linuxrc.suspend2 executes before real-linuxrc, and the linuxrc multiplexer is also -e, it dies and the initrd is never properly set up. So yes, it should fix it. However, I have yet to test it. I just revived my machine[0] and will go about testing it today. You will hear me announce 2.1.8-3 with another couple of fixes later today when it's all working. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
kernel-patch-suspend2/experimental 2.1.8-3 fixes problems
Hi all, I have fixed the problems in the Debian suspend2 patch and made version 2.1.8-3 of the kernel-patch-suspend2 package available at the usual repository: deb http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ deb-src http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ Please refer to the initial announcement[0] for more information. Looking forward to your feedback. 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/03/msg00048.html -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: kernel-patch-suspend2/experimental 2.1.8-3 fixes problems
Sorry for yet another email... also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.06.2117 +0100]: > deb http://debian.maduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ > deb-src http://debian.maduck.net > ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ At least one person is awake. The hostname is missing a 'd'. Thus, use these: deb http://debian.madduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ deb-src http://debian.madduck.net ~madduck/packages/stage/kernel-patch-suspend2/ > Please refer to the initial announcement[0] for more information. > > Looking forward to your feedback. > > 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/03/msg00048.html This still applies. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: running debian on a laptop
also sprach samuel desseaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.01.2054 +0100]: > I plan to buy soon a laptop and install on it debian. I hesitate between a > toshiba and a dell inspiron 8200. According to you, what is the best for > running easy Debian? I can only speak for Dell and may say that Debian runs fine. You won't be able to use any builtin modems. In general though, I would recommend not buying the Inspiron but the Latitude. It may be more expensive at first sight, but it's definitely more sturdy and will make you happier longer. And so not forget the three years of warranty!!! -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system pgpE0qsuMRJDs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: running debian on a laptop
also sprach samuel desseaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.01.2214 +0100]: > ** Thank you for your suggestion! > Concerning builtin modem, i know and that's not a problem. what is important > for me is to having a network card. Dell uses 3com. Thy are guaranteed to work. PS: Please don't CC me on lists that I read! -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system pgpnhdHR6PBAu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Temperatur weirdnes
Every now and then, my Dell Latitude C610 will decide to run its fans at full speed, eating my battery and being loud, and all that for no apparent reason. Just like right now, I got home, turned it on (it was suspended-to-RAM), and both fans immediately started. i8kctl from the i8kutils package reports a temperature of 85 degrees Celsius, which just can't be. Whenever this phenomenon happens, it's at 85C though, so I am wondering what's broke. If I restart the computer (soft-reboot), then the temperature will be reported normally again and the fans won't run for a long time. Until I suspend the next time, then the temperature will rocket to 85C. Dell already swapped the motherboard (within 96 hours, which is, as we all know, fully within the terms of my 24 hours service agreement, but I am just a user and the five Dell laptops I bought don't generate enough revenue...), but the problem remained. Now I am getting closer and closer to believing that it's a software thing. I'll disable APM in the kernel on the next boot to see what that does. What else can I try? -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpqYuxv7gAy5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Random keystrokes lost
I am typing this message and swearing alongside, because every 20th character or so just doesn't show up in vim, which I use through mutt within an aterm running through WindowMaker on XF86 4.2.1-3 on a Debian testing system on my Latitude C610 (with a PII 1.2 GHz and 1024Mb of RAM), displaying through a ATI Radeon Mobility LY, which is driven by X's native ati module. When I say every 20th character, then this means any random character. The problem is not with a set of keys, it's with the entire keyboard, including the space and return keys. I've exchanged the keyboard only to find the same problems, so I am leaning towards a software problem. It happens on the ttys too though. My X is weird anyway. Every now and then, the mouse pointer will freeze for a second or two before continuing to move, as if the system was too busy to update it. Similar things happen to letters I type, sometimes the system will just stop blinking or advancing the cursor for two seconds, until after that time, everything I typed suddenly appears. This really makes editing a lot of fun (and this last thing also happens on the console). Now, 1.2 GHz and 1Gb RAM should be enough. Processor load is below 0.10 and everything else on this system is happy (safe the temperature sensor). I want to solve this problem! Is it theoretically posssible that the system gets into a weird state every so often to forget the contents of its keyboard buffer? Or could this be a motherboard problem too? The weirdities started around the time that Dell replaced my motherboard because of the temperature sensor (which didn't fix that problem anyway). It's weird, because whenever I want to reciprocate the problem (like right this second), everything works. As soon as I don't think about it anymore, it comes back. Murphy in action. Where do I start to solve this? Any help appreciated! -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpv7zk1NmrLK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperatur weirdnes
also sprach Marcus C. Gottwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.26.2348 +0100]: > Same thing with my Dell Latitude C400. I've heard of other > people having the same problem, too. Are you experiencing 85C too? Have you, or anyone you know ever checked, whether the problem exists with Windoze as well? -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpeSS7SbOwv2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperatur weirdnes
> I read somewhere that pressing Fn + z should solve the problem, but > I've not had a chance to try it myself yet. This seems to work for me. Is there any documentation on this? I am going to call Dell tomorrow to find out... THANKS a lot (that's not screaming, that's joyful!) -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpGDsHip7OHv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0059 +0100]: > I've seen similar things on my Dell I4000 - but only after using hotswap > - e.g. removing the cd-rom drive. Same symptoms. I learned the hard way > to make sure that I rmmod'ed ide-cd *before* removing the cdrom drive. I know the symptoms of such action, but this is not comparable. The characters are lacking only every so often, and the "freezes" are at most 2 seconds in length - when I'd pull out my CD-ROM and the IDE driver would look for it, that could take minutes... -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp0FEGTNEg5Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0147 +0100]: > Bad luck for you :-) For me the system would freeze less than .5 > seconds every 3 or 4 seconds. Just enough to make me wonder whether I > was given de-caf by mistake... The phenomenon of the mouse freezing or keyboard input being delayed does coincide with IDE/hdd activity. But the problem of forgotten keystrokes (and randomly repeating letters[1]) does not need to happen with a hdd access. 1. i *touch* 'i' and suddenly, i appears, or similar. Happens for all keys rarely but noticably, and probably has something to do with the random keystrokes being lost. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpaU1oj6lBSv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0222 +0100]: > Damn. I don't think I will ever touch Dell laptops ever again. My own > I4000 has had problems, such as 2 wonky HD's, but they just seem so damn > unreliable, and have a lot of bios bugs. I won't either. Not only have they severly dropped in quality over the last three years, Dell is also a bunch of assholes doing support, they don't stick to their warranty claims, and, last but not least, Michael Dell and Bill Gates have Sex with each other. > Also - your hdd statement: try unmasking interrupts using hdparm. This > helps modem traffic a lot, and might also help the KB - if there is a lot > of hdd activity (and laptop disks are very slow), then the KB just never > gets a chance to signal to the CPU that "HEY! LOOK HERE. I HAVE A > KEYSTROKE FOR YOU. FEED ME!". :) unmaskirq= 1 (on) unfortunately, this is already set.. > As for the temperature thing, can you cat /proc/apm and the i8k file under > /proc (I can't remember what is is called - perhaps you might have to do a > strace on i8kutils when it reads the temperature from the kernel, if it is > not obviously under /proc) when there is a problem, and then again when > there is not a problem? I don't have the problem right now, but it's something like this: No problem: 1.0 A12 CZ2H90J 56 0 0 0 0 -1 0 Problem: 1.0 A12 CZ2H90J 85 2 2 9600 6600 -1 0 > Is this flavour laptop aimed more at APM or ACPI for power > management? The newer ones tend to work better on ACPI than APM. Aha, I have avoided ACPI so far, but I guess I will jump into it. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpV38FKlWbMi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperatur weirdnes
also sprach Frank Trenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0214 +0100]:
> it's the same with my Dell 8100, BIOS A11. What's even more weird
> - it happens *only* after closing the lid while suspended to RAM. On
> opening the lid the machine wakes up and turns its fan on at full
> speed, reporting 85 °C.
This explains why I only experience the problem in the morning at Uni
or at night at home, even though I suspend often during the day.
> Suspending to ram, NOT closing the lid and resuming works without
> glitches... oh my.
Indeed.
> > Have you, or anyone you know ever checked, whether the problem exists
> > with Windoze as well?
>
> It's fine with Win XP Pro.
Of course. Here, I found the BIOS source code:
[...]
if ! running_my_love's_os {
if was_suspended && lid_has_been_closed {
pretend_to_heat_up(); // screws performance, hehe!
}
} else {
pretend_to_cool_down(); // windoze is slow. who cares if laptops break
}
[...]
> This must be a BIOS bug. Any Dell 81k users with a BIOS > A11 using APM and
> not having these troubles? Maybe it's worthwile to update.
I have A12 and the problems...
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Re: Temperatur weirdnes
also sprach Richard Hector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0515 +0100]: > > i8kutils package reports a temperature of 85 degrees Celsius, > > which just can't be. > > Are you sure? The Register had an article the other day about a guy > who burnt his penis using his laptop on his lap - they deduced it > was a Dell Latitude. He should sue Dell! Yes, I am sure, because the 85C are reported e.g. 5 seconds after turning the laptop on after it being off for two days, and while it would be hard to imagine, it also surely doesn't feel anywhere close to 50C at that moment. It always happens when I suspend to RAM and close the lid. Well, not always. As soon as this was posted yesterday, I went to sleep, purposely closing the lid on my laptop while suspending. I actually wasn't surprised to find it *not* going to 85C this morning. Deal with computers and companies like Dell, and there's little that can surprise you! -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpzFiVqX2G5O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperatur weirdnes
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.0127 +0100]: > > I read somewhere that pressing Fn + z should solve the problem, but > > I've not had a chance to try it myself yet. > > This seems to work for me. Is there any documentation on this? > > I am going to call Dell tomorrow to find out... None of three "technicians" I spoke to at Dell ever heard of Fn+z ! Speaks for the company, doesn't it? I think it causes the BIOS to reread the settings. I don't really know what a BIOS has to do with a temperature sensor. Anyway, will upgrade to A13 tonight. Maybe that's just going to fix it all... -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpvegFLoFT53.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperatur weirdnes
also sprach Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.27.1615 +0100]: > When the temperature (allegedly) goes to 85 degrees, was it by any > chance 42 degrees before then? > 85 = 1010101 > 42 = 0101010 > which is almost too much to be a coincidence... Nice observation. It's quite possible. But I can't test it because it always jumps to 85C after resuming, so I have no way to look at the temperature before... > I see from another thread that you're also suffering from random lost > keystrokes - is this the same laptop? yes. > If so, I would be inclined to run it: > > - without i8kutils : because of Dell's refusal to provide useful info >to the i8k author - there is a small chance that this specific >version of the BIOS does not like the way i8k tickles it. will try. > - without apm : buggy [DH]ell BIOS'es are not unheard of. My BIOS had >a bug where it would overcharge the battery, and thus kill it off >much sooner than necessary. I ended up upgrading the BIOS and >getting non-dell batteries in protest. will try. > - or perhaps with ACPI instead of APM for a walk on the wild side... will try. > My money is on a buggy BIOS - it's a [dh]ell after all ... right. screw Dell! they just lost a customer and I will also propagate the word! -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpg3PyHnlPuA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dell cpu speed toggle (was: Temperatur weirdnes)
also sprach Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.01.0744 +0100]: > bogmips tells me 650 when in high speed mode. This corresponds with its > clock freq of 650 (interestingly, since the bogomips count at bootup is > twice the clock-speed). When in low speed mode, it tells me 110! I have a 1.2 GHz Mobile PIII and the BIOS reports the current CPU speed to be 800MHz, while bogomips returns 750. I want my 1.2 GHz! How? Fn-\ on my US keyboard doesn't seem to do anything. Or do I need to strategically reboot at the right time? When? -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpRnxFhNP9At.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
This problem seems kind of solved, at least after upgrading to BIOS version A13 on the Latitude C610 here, I have not experienced anymore problems. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpdEzuGeBnb5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dell cpu speed toggle (was: Temperatur weirdnes)
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.01.1604 +0100]: > I have a 1.2 GHz Mobile PIII and the BIOS reports the current CPU > speed to be 800MHz, while bogomips returns 750. > > I want my 1.2 GHz! How? Fn-\ on my US keyboard doesn't seem to do > anything. Or do I need to strategically reboot at the right time? > When? I had SpeedStep disabled in the BIOS. I am at 1.2 now, with 1136 BogoMips -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp29JjNe5j9w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dell cpu speed toggle (was: Temperatur weirdnes)
also sprach Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.01.1704 +0100]: > > However, it doesn't cause the temperature to be any lower, > > and apm doesn't seem to think my battery is going to last any longer. > > I don't see any change in the temperature either (I hadn't checked > before now). Odd - this means that the CPU generates proportionally > *more* heat (=wasting battery) when on low speed!? How do you even check the effect of Fn-\? I get the same bogomips before and afterwards, Fn-\ doesn't seem to do anything. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpP3uotmJpBu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: first post - which laptop to buy for OPTIMAL audio & graphics
also sprach Rama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.02.2004 +0100]: > I was looking at Dell Inspirons or Latitude but some people told me that > the audio on those machines is pretty poor. The audio on my Latitude is quite good, actually. Nevertheless, Dell's machines and service have really gone down over the past years, so I suggest you don't buy a Dell. Video performance at least on this 1.2GHz/1Gb machine with a 32Mb Radeon Mobility card is *horrible*. This may well be my problem, but I tried everything... -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpXKycn3vYEK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: first post - which laptop to buy for OPTIMAL audio & graphics
> Thanks, Martin, for your information, by the way, would you tell me > which audio chipset you have ? i810_audio.o: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio But I think what makes the audio on this machine is the good set of speakers. The chipset is fair. I am not really the one to ask on this kind of stuff. > So if not Dell do you know about any other alternative machine with > good audio and video which might work really good with Debian ? (I > use sid at home and woody at work, so any for me would be ok either) I don't know. I usually suggest IBM laptops but have no idea about their audio. It's usually not a buying argument for me. > About your video performance with Radeon: have you managed to have > acceleration? I know (just by reading and informing myself) that it > works trhough DRI. I am absolutely non-knowledgeable in this field. DRI is set up, I use the native X radeon.o driver, but playing back MPEG, watching DVDs, or just displaying xscreensaver all happens at rates lower than 25fps. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpWKZb31kxHg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Swsusp and Debian
also sprach Christian Gennerat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.08.1756 +0100]: > Has somebody made a Debian version of the swsusp.sh script ? can you file a RFP for it? -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp4xzetDmWyr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Yet another "what laptop should I buy?" question
also sprach Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.12.2225 +0100]: > Could anyone give me opinions and advices? I vote for IBM or Toshiba. Just don't buy a Dell! > PS: please CC me on reply Why don't you set the right Mail-Followup-To header? That would automate this... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp79cZ8Z6nX7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Yet another "what laptop should I buy?" question
also sprach Calum Mackay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.13.1107 +0100]: > Out of interest, why not? > > I've had an Inspiron 7500, and now have a Latitude C400. Both have > worked very well with unstable. Because Dell is really dropping in Quality. I've had Dells all my life and noticed this trend. While the CPi-A from four years ago was a cool laptop, my current C610, the C800, and the Inspiron 4000 are pathetic. ACPI is not implemented at all, the things are very loud because APM is not standards-compliant (it works with windoze) only, and the Dell service is pissing me off! It's just apparent that Dell is Windoze-only and doing as much as they can to make it harder and harder for users of other OSs. Plus the fact that I am forced to feel neglected, because even though I own like 11 Dells, I am only a small-scale user and thus unimportant. Also, the laptops break a lot. That never happened to me with IBMs. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpUTEBrLjf67.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Yet another "what laptop should I buy?" question
also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.13.1153 +0100]: > I won't go for Dell then :-) For your own good. Just today, I condemned Dell's service again. They are very very stupid and not realizing that they are shooting themselves in the foot. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpUzMdkhcu6K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ACPI kernel patch (+ swsusp)
also sprach Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.15.0714 +0100]: > Due to the need to update the ACPI subsystem with the patch from > sourceforge I've packaged it together with the software suspend patch. Cool. Note that I filed ITPs about them, but haven't been able to get either to work. Do you want to take them over? -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpO94R4VrKg0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ACPI kernel patch (+ swsusp)
also sprach Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.17.0552 +0100]: > If you or anyone else wants to take my package and add it to the Debian > archive I would be happy, but for now I'm content with it outside the > archive. I think it would have to be split. Then again, how does one cope with the fact that if ACPI is applied, you'll need a different swsusp patch? Should I be making three packages in all, then, acpi, swsusp, acpi+swsusp? -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpiDTcygivEK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.01.1405 +0100]: > This problem seems kind of solved, at least after upgrading to BIOS > version A13 on the Latitude C610 here, I have not experienced anymore > problems. I think that it is related to Intel SpeedStep. If it's turned off, random characters are lost. If it's turned on, it works all fine. Prove that SpeedStep is, in fact, just a hack. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp91gSb1qRJm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.06.2346 +0100]: > I think that it is related to Intel SpeedStep. If it's turned off, > random characters are lost. If it's turned on, it works all fine. > Prove that SpeedStep is, in fact, just a hack. Bollocks. The problems are still there. Fuck Dell! The problem had disappeared for two months or so, then suddenly it came back. No kernel upgrade, no BIOS upgrade, not even apt-get. Just a reboot. HELP! -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpWQX0nXUMoF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.08.2109 +0100]: > Sounds quite dull...but what about the keyboard itself ? Perhaps it's > soiled. happens with an external keyboard as well. i already tried that. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpKFBUKFVApf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random keystrokes lost
also sprach Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.10.0208 +0100]: > Perhaps you had changed a BIOS option, where the change only takes > effect upon reboot? IIRC last time it was apm-stuff... I don't think so. I thought it was APM stuff, but over Christmas, when it was working just fine, I know I had the WindowMaker APM widget loaded, so APM was in the kernel. I don't recall changing any BIOS settings except for SpeedStep, which I've toggled to and fro many times now with no effects. I am going to see if it happens without APM kernel support. unfortunately, ACPI is not an option with these incompetent dickheads at Dell not able to write a proper BIOS. excuse my french, please! > Another possibility could be a failed hotswap; where the kernel > attempts to talk to e.g. a cd-rom drive that is no longer there. nope. none of that. > > HELP! > > You gotta love [dh]ell by now... :-) anyone want to buy a C610? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpoNKTyTdmT4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail (smtp) config at different locations. Script or ..?
also sprach Mike Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.0448 +0100]: > 1 compound word: offlineimap yes. i nominate this for the best piece of software in of the last week (which is when i discovered it) > (the trick, is that courier is configured to send anything saved to that > box.. must be in 822 format, which mutt does.) how do you accomplish that? > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> cat bin/mailtunnel that functionality is built into offlineimap. check out the preauthtunnel configuration. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpvdtsYESAgd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail (smtp) config at different locations. Script or ..?
also sprach Mike Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.0923 +0100]: > ##NAME: SENDMAIL:0 > # > # If OUTBOX is defined, mail can be sent via the IMAP connection by copying > # a message to the INBOX.Outbox folder. Is the message subsequently deleted from the outbox folder? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpGyxMCdjn07.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail (smtp) config at different locations. Script or ..?
also sprach Mike Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.1244 +0100]: > > Is the message subsequently deleted from the outbox folder? > > No, I periodically do that manually. so courier keeps track of which of these have been sent? New flag? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpREK91jvV6U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: grub on ext3
also sprach mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.1712 +0100]: > Does anybody know if grub can boot a kernel from an ext3 rootfilesystem, > ( with a /boot directory) - or if it's necessary to have an ext2 /boot > partition then ? i am doing so right here. yes, it works. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpkYevXjQrBZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: checking root-filesystem after crash
also sprach mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.1717 +0100]: > Anybody on a laptop list experienced with that ?... Am i right that > fsck shouldn't be run upon the running root-filesystem, so one > rather would boot another linux (e.g. from an installer cd ) to do > that ? not entirely true. as long as the filesystem is read-only (which it is at boot time) the fsck is fine. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpGvHyFkS8zt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: grub on ext3
also sprach Martin Fluch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.10.1825 +0100]: > No problem. There is no diference between ext3 and ext2 file system in > this case. ... provided that you did properly umount the filesystem before. accessing an ext3 filesystem as ext2 without it being umount'd or properly fsck'd results in severe data corruption. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgp0nRBU0jyKv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To be fair (Re: Let me off this f**king thing!!!)
also sprach Anders Ellenshøj Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.03.18.2134 +0100]: > To be fair I think it should be said that there is a substantial > delay between when a request is made to be unsubscribed, and when > a responce arives from the server requesting authentication of the > unsubscription request. I have once waited for almost a day, all > the while I still got messages from the list. It can be very > frustraiting. Yes, especially when it sometimes doesn't work. I could not get off for three days until the listmaster finally helped me. Something needs to be done about these lists... -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Keyserver problems? http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/keyserver.html Get my key here: http://madduck.net/me/gpg/publickey pgphyPjEcT6AQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Virusses (many!) via list?
also sprach Martin Heinrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.25.1906 +0200]: > Mich würd ja mal interessieren wofür brauchstn du 78 Mailboxen? First, this list is English. Second, this didn't need to be a reply to the list. Third, if you wonder why one would need that many mailboxes, maybe you should think about "wanting" that many, then reading the procmail manpage. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgpIQe7I7GZlA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modem up and running but no ping
also sprach Martin Wegmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.07.1114 +0200]: > last time I have been away from the uni-network I wanted to use my modem > (ms-modem). The modem worked but I can't get into the web (KPPP worked fine > and told me as well that I am conected but ping -c 2 www.yahoo.com prompts > that it is unknown) What's the output of /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/route -n when you are connected? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgpampeA6y4XG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modem up and running but no ping
also sprach Martin Wegmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.07.1448 +0200]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ /sbin/route -n > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface > 145.253.1.121 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 > 10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 > 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.10.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ ping -c 2 www.yahoo.com your problem is here. the last entry should be the default route to the provider. does your /etc/ppp/peers/provider file contain the 'defaultroute' option? Also, please don't copy mails to me if you send them to the list also. I request that in every mail's footer: -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgphaNvQmoW2x.pgp Description: PGP signature
installation procedure for pcmcia network install
hi folks, no, this by far isn't my first debian install, not even on a laptop, and no, i am not stupid. but somehow i am perplexed by how debian wants the installation on a laptop to work. i have this new latitude C800 sitting here, with a beautiful xircom ethernet card. i used the 3.0.28-compact boot floppy set from woody, and partitioned, installed driver modules and all that. now i want to get the network up to be able to install from ftp. the pcmcia card is not plugged in, and i configure pcmcia support for the controller only, not for serial or cdrom devices. it does not complain. then i insert the card, it beeps, and the system freezes. if i have the card in the slot while installing pcmcia, it freezes. what gives? what am i doing wrong? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] i took an iq test and the results were negative. pgp0Fh6sbmRVO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: installation procedure for pcmcia network install
[originating from a debian-laptop thread...] [also posted to the pcmcia-cs forums...] also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.1606 +0100]: > the pcmcia card is not plugged in, and i configure pcmcia support for > the controller only, not for serial or cdrom devices. it does not > complain. then i insert the card, it beeps, and the system freezes. if > i have the card in the slot while installing pcmcia, it freezes. what > gives? what am i doing wrong? okay, i installed from cdrom and got a running system. now i load /etc/init.d/pcmcia and cardmgr reports success: [ a whole lot of init msgs for the modules ] cardmgr: starting version is 3.1.28 cardmgr: watching 2 sockets now lsmod reports ds, i82365, and pcmcia_core to be loaded. then i insert the card: kernel: cs: cb_allow(bus 32): vendor 0x115d, device 0x0003 cardmgr: initializing socket 0 kernel: ROM image dump: cs: cb_config(bus 32) cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x290-0x297 0x378-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0298-0x0377: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x04cf: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff:_ the final '_' is the blinking cursor, and it just hangs there forever. completely frozen. the same thing happens with a lucent wavelan card, a 3c575_cs, the adaptec slimscsi 1460c, and a 8mb compaq flashcard. this is on Debian Woody from the lob.de CDs from System 2001 pcmcia-cs version 3.1.28 on kernel 2.2.19 (debian stock) any help would be appreciated! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] friends help you move. real friends help you move bodies.
[FIXED] Re: installation procedure for pcmcia network install
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.1831 +0100]: > kernel: cs: cb_allow(bus 32): vendor 0x115d, device 0x0003 > cardmgr: initializing socket 0 > kernel: ROM image dump: > cs: cb_config(bus 32) > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x290-0x297 0x378-0x37f > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > cs: IO port probe 0x0298-0x0377: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x04cf: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff:_ > > the final '_' is the blinking cursor, and it just hangs there > forever. completely frozen. mh. a line exclude port 0x0800-0x08ff in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts fixed that problem, and i am online. this is weird though. does anyone know why the latitude C800 has something in this port range, which dell doesn't document, and which the internet doesn't know about? or is this just another "feature" of dell to make linux hard? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] micro$oft windoze: proof that p. t. barnum was correct. pgp1YDZIhxAR4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PCMCIA-Ethernet without cardmgr
also sprach Holger Paschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.15.1106 +0100]: > Digging using the usual sources, I only find comments referring to the > pcmcia-cs-based setup of PCMCIA NICs. Nothing about the magic of > cardmgr, that initializes the eth0 device. RTFS cardmgr. > Does anyone on this list have an idea (perhaps some kernel parameters), > how one can get an eth0 device for the PCMCIA NIC without the > pcmcia-cs/cardmgr stuff? no. even the flakey pcmcia support in 2.4.x needs cardmgr to monitor the slots. if you really don't have enough space for the entire binary, but down the code to the bare minimum. oh, and have fun doing so ;^> -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] as i learn the innermost secrets of the people around me, they reward me in many ways to keep me quiet. pgpb9Kcm7i1yf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party!
also sprach Cameron Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1201 +0100]: > But notice that most messages (about 46 in this snapshot) don't have an > X-Mailer set. I guess these are programs such as mutt and pine, etc. mutt sets the X-Mailer and so does pine. after all, it's almost a standard, and neither mutt nor pine ignore those. i'd even doubt it's any unix mailer that doesn't have the X-Mailer set. probably a noname windoze or webmail program. wouldn't surprise me. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "frank harris has been received in all the great houses -- once!" -- oscar wilde pgp8LiAB7cy4A.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party!
also sprach Mark Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1234 +0100]: > Mmm... just added a X-Mailer header for Mutt in my .muttrc :) > X-Mailer: Mutt 1.3.25i (2002-01-01) on a Linux/ix86 v2.4 oh wow. sorry, i retract my previous statement. mutt's header is "User-Agent", not "X-Mailer". gosh, i am beginning to doubt the purity... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon." -- epigrams in programming pgpd2jJJ34bvI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party! WARNING, THIS IS A VIRUS !!!!!!
also sprach François Chenais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1350 +0100]: > THIS is a NEW virus !! http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99332.htm chill. first, it's not new, it's more than 48 hours old already, and second, *who cares*??? whoever's punished enough to read this list with microshit software hopefully has the tiny amount of brains left to ask "party? what party? i didn't go to no part" before eventually *not* doing what windoze users are good at: double-clicking. it's a bloody attachment, so please just ignore it. and stop reading this list with micro$oft. if that requires a change of job, then why didn't you do so yet??? and: would you *please* *refrain* from quoting the entire email in your reply? this applies to everyone. quoting is useful if everyone does it right, but noone seems to understand. you essentially just sent a 42Kb mail to a mailing list, which said nothing but the already ridiculously unnecessary "THIS is a NEW virus !!". in the future, please wrap that in a micro$oft word 2005 document, which will then take like 120Kb. (NOT!) -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] this email was written on an os using the viral 'gpl' as it's license. please check with billy gates before continuing to read this message. pgpD4ZdbXtFQH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party! WARNING, THIS IS A VIRUS !!!!!!
also sprach François Chenais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1433 +0100]: > > and stop reading this list with micro$oft. if that requires a change > > of job, then why didn't you do so yet??? > > I'm using Sylpheed ! the 'you' was intended as 'one'. sorry. > Thought debian community was not so agressive ! Your response seems > as extremist as the 'non gpl community !'. Even you are right ... sorry, i snapped. i didn't mean to be aggressive like that. but when you follow most debian-* lists and the ratio of activist reactions that follow spam messages or virus warnings approaches like 25:1, then it starts getting annoying! especially because it's the same stuff all over again. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] it said "needs windoze 98 or better," so i installed linux. pgpjVpAx7O2Pe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party!
also sprach R.Stepanyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1541 +0100]: > Well, I processed my mail from THIS LIST (debian-laptop) ONLY and here > are the results: is this relevant to debian-laptop??? as i just stated in another post, why can't we just silently ignore viruses and spam, and not send upwards of 25 useless off-topic replies for every such message? *that's* bandwidth waste! who cares what mailers other people use? it's their problem if they use the wrong one which makes the susceptible to viruses (mailer and operating system) or if they can't read PGP encrypted mails (same mailer, same operating system). i am not going to outlook-optimized my emails like others optimize their webpages even if 999 people on this list read with outlook, and i am the only mutt-user. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] quantum mechanics: the dreams stuff is made of. pgpYa09Xmaq6A.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new photos from my party!
also sprach Derek Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1628 +0100]: > ... oh, just like most other core people of debian-* lists ... > ...it is, indeed, our _problem_ if we are using Outlook Express to > read this list, but surely not generally our _fault_. You use what > circumstances require you to use. Obviously most of us have an > interest in using an OS that doesn't support Outlook Express, so > there must be other reasons why we actually send mail with it. > Behaving politely and not sending multiparts to a list is hardly > asking you to compromise your principles. there is no reason why you actually send mail with it. i don't understand people who even work at places that insist on micro$oft. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). pgp8hsLxOw72l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1635 +0100]: > Since this is a laptop-list, I'd be interested in hearing what people > use to read mail on their laptops. Reading mail on a laptop does require > that one can manage to read mail off-line as well as connected. > If you're using IMAP like me, you need to have some sort of caching or > you'll have to find a network to be able to access your messages. On the > other hand, a laptop if often not a good place for permanent storage, so > having local folders doesn't cut it. > Particularly, I'd like to hear about experiences with off-line operation > and IMAP in Evolution... i run postfix bound to localhost on my laptop even, and then use fetchmail to obtain all my mail via pop3/ssl. this way, all my mail is always local, and i don't need imap. however, i would like to add compression to this to minimize the traffic caused on the servers, so i was thinking of rsync. but the isync package looks quite cool too. can it speak imaps natively? or just the tls extension? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] the file you need might be very useful. but now it is gone. pgp87YMmjGMFD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Alexander Clouter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1732 +0100]: > > i run postfix bound to localhost on my laptop even, and then use > > fetchmail to obtain all my mail via pop3/ssl. this way, all my mail is > > always local, and i don't need imap. > > > 'nullmailer' I use for outgoing mail. Its a braindead smtp queue which polls > remote servers until it finds one that accepts a connection at which point it > empties its spool. This is especially useful if you are in many different > environments (laptop users do) and so the servers you use are different. > This works seemlessly and if I go somewhere new I just add the local smtp > server to the polling list and it sorts its self out. :) > > This in combination with 'whereami' makes for a *very* automagic system. postfix keeps mail in the spool for five days by default. since i also have a couple of machines on permanent connections, i decided to use TLS-based certificate relay authentication and simply relay my mail through a machine in philadelphia whenever and whereever i am. a simply queue flush everytime i am connected, and this has no need to be automagic ;) -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "those who are faithful know only the trivial side of love: it is the faithless who know love's tragedies." -- oscar wilde pgpLuQtPvT6Nn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Tobias Ulbricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1903 +0100]: > > postfix keeps mail in the spool for five days by default. since i also > > have a couple of machines on permanent connections, i decided to use > > TLS-based certificate relay authentication and simply relay my mail > > through a machine in philadelphia whenever and whereever i am. > > a simply queue flush everytime i am connected, and this has no need to > > be automagic ;) > > Does that mean you get sent all your mail to a machine in phil. and when > you're online, it'll send it to your laptop? no, all my mail arrives at a machine in munich, germany, actually. i use philadelphia as a backup mail receiver, and as a sending relay. since i am on a dynamic IP connection here, i can't just relay based on source IP, and i can't do without relay control, or else i'll die. so i use TLS, which is like SSL in that it provides an encrypted channel in addition to a client certificate. so my laptop has a certificate and i told the philly machine to relay for anyone who presents this certificate. now i am independent of the IP and can travel around the world without ever changing my smarthost. > What's done when you don't connect for more than 5 days? you don't know me. i'd die. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "yet each man kills the thing he loves from all let this be heard some does it with a bitter look some with a flattering word the coward does it with a kiss the brave man with the sword. -- oscar wilde pgpwz902yRYMr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Tobias Ulbricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1859 +0100]: > Is there no program which allows syncing folders? > I'd like to either imap my mails or use ssh, but in both cases, > the sent mails are stored in different places! isync, as previously noted in this thread. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. pgpPQbF0zAFMP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Wilmer van der Gaast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1756 +0100]: > Unfortunately recent (Woody) versions of Postfix have a very large spool-dir > which seems to makes the program very slow on my low-resource laptop. Do I > really have to recompile it to get back the good old fast Postfix? what's your $hash_queue_depth? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] core error - bus dumped pgphAt6Mu2mrl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Close minded, aren't we?, was: new photos from my party!
also sprach Marco Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.28.1755 +0100]: > My, my, > what a crusader we have here.. i am replying in person so as to not spam the list. if anyone is interested in my response, drop me a line. i do realize that my statement was ridiculous without explanation, and for that i'd like to apologize. however, i do not retract what i said. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] three things are certain: death, taxes and lost data. guess which has occurred. pgplwQ2iqtL3Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailer for laptops (was: Re: new photos from my party!)
also sprach Wilmer van der Gaast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.30.1807 +0100]: > It was unset (which means a default of 2), but now I set it to 1. Seems to > be a lot faster now, also at boot time. Thanks! you know, strange intuition tells me the opposite, but i guess it's a non-uniform curve and for low traffic, a lower value might actually be better... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] the file you need might be very useful. but now it is gone. pgpoE3HlLeE9B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spaming filter
also sprach Heather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.02.07.0136 +0100]: > Ob Debian-laptop: I notice that pcmcia-cs in "pure" woody is still (ugh) > 3.1.22? That's *ancient*! sid has 3.1.31 - can we convince them to promote > it over so the woody discs don't roll out hopelessly behind? Or does anyone > know of an abiding reason why they've let it rot? they haven't built on all architectures. there's never an active "keeping things in unstable and not letting them get into testing." a package has to fulfill many requirements to move to testing. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** important disclaimer: by sending an email to any address, that will eventually cause it to end up in my inbox without much interaction, you are agreeing that: - i am by definition, "the intended recipient" - all information in the email is mine to do with as i see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. in particular, i may quote it on usenet. - i may take the contents as representing the views of your company. - this overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. pgpZK8a4kauYY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pcmcia in woody (was spaming filters)
also sprach Heather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.02.09.0224 +0100]: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but most other hardware architectures don't > even *have* PCMCIA/Cardbus hardware. So worrying about it not > building on them is just sneaking in an empty-set or refusing to > make with a "non critical" response, right? okay, i know way too little. fact is that every debian package has to build on all supported architectures to make it into testing even. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] a life? where can i download that? pgpbVnpUvyjIx.pgp Description: PGP signature
kernel 2.4 on dell latitude
mh. this should have gone to -laptop right away, not -users. my bad. [please cc me on replies] hi all, i have this dell latitude C610, which runs perfectly fine with debian's stock kernel 2.2.20. however, i need some features from 2.4.x and thus went ahead to install kernel-image-2.4.17-686, which also boots just fine, but which freezes the computer everytime anything APM is done. this is the module list of the stock kernel after boot: i8k 4576 1 (autoclean) af_packet 11496 1 (autoclean) 3c59x 24936 1 (autoclean) i810_audio 18016 0 (autoclean) ac97_codec 9376 0 (autoclean) [i810_audio] soundcore 3556 2 (autoclean) [i810_audio] rtc 5368 0 (autoclean) unix 13700 18 (autoclean) ide-disk6592 8 (autoclean) ide-probe-mod 7968 0 (autoclean) ide-mod 129452 8 (autoclean) [ide-disk ide-probe-mod] ext3 56480 7 (autoclean) jbd34840 7 (autoclean) [ext3] which looks just fine. there is no apm support in the kernel, acpi is also off. whenever i shut the lid, try to suspend to ram or disk, enter dell's bios setup (Fn-F1), or let it sit long enough for the screen to blank, the system will freeze entirely. this seems to be a 2.4.x feature, 2.2.x worked fine. could someone maybe just tell me how i can make this work properly? please reply privately since i can't currently access my list mail. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "the well-bred contradict other people. the wise contradict themselves." -- oscar wilde pgpei481xSw9X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel 2.4 on dell latitude
also sprach Klaas Gadeyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.03.04.1324 +0100]: > Do this kernel-image has apic enabled? If yes, you'll have to go for the > sources and compile your own and be sure to disable these: > > # CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC is not set > # CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set > > I had similar problems on a C810 and apparently they also exist on > inspiron 8100. See also thanks, you rock. that fixed the problem. cheers mucho! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] above all, we should not wish to divest our existence of its rich ambiguity. -- nietzsche pgpBEfxWxY5ow.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel 2.4 on dell latitude
also sprach Klaas Gadeyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.03.04.1324 +0100]: > Do this kernel-image has apic enabled? If yes, you'll have to go for the > sources and compile your own and be sure to disable these: > > # CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC is not set > # CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set > > I had similar problems on a C810 and apparently they also exist on > inspiron 8100. See also sorry for the late reply. this was the bugger. it's fixed. thanks! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-800-psych hello, welcome to the psychiatric hotline. if you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a little voice will tell you which number to press. pgpNcBS6sbdnK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anyone got AVM ISDN card `fcpcmcia' running on Woody?--solved
also sprach Tony Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.03.19.1946 +0100]: > Never mind! Breakthrough came today. Up and running! it's the strength of such a forum to serve as a knowledge store that makes me want to ask you if you'd quickly summarize what made it work... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] there is no place like ~ pgpNL4f80IV2P.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fun and excitement with Dell Latitude C600
also sprach David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.02.1939 +0200]: > Last night, I was mucking around a bit. I upgraded the BIOS to > version A20, and tried building kernel 2.4.18 with the ACPI patch from > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/acpi/, along with ALSA 0.9 and > pcmcia-cs modules. With the magic of GRUB, I can n-tuple boot. So: > > (1) Even the Sourceforge ACPI doesn't find the laptop battery. This > is a problem, but not the end of the world; I can trivially go > back to the non-ACPI 2.4.17 kernel. Michael Dell and Bill Gates are sleeping with each other. dell's computers these days seem to contain components and standards which are close enough to e.g. ACPI to be called ACPI, but they only really work with windoze. surprised? i have given enough tries to getting ACPI to work on my C610 and came up with: it won't work. > (2) The machine spontaneously reboots in Linux after it's been up for > a minute or two. Booting into Windows and then rebooting seems to > help; booting the ACPI kernel seems to hurt. of course. > (4) I'd like to be able to use both the normal serial port and the IR > port (the latter mostly to connect to an iPAQ also running > Linux). The obvious thing to do is configure the DB9 serial to be > COM1 and the IR to be COM2 in the BIOS, but then there seems to be > an interrupt conflict resulting in the machine freezing if both > sound and (wired) serial are used at the same time. Is there any > way to get this working properly? what's the sound hardware? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] this email was written on an os using the viral 'gpl' as it's license. please check with billy gates before continuing to read this message. pgph77Bmpvwz9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fun and excitement with Dell Latitude C600
also sprach David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.02.2058 +0200]:
> lspci says "Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1983S
> Maestro-3i PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 10)"; I use the ALSA
> snd-card-maestro3 driver with it.
shoot, mine's got an intel chip i believe. anyway, have you tried the
kernel's own driver? it's doing it's thing very happily on a C800 over
here, and the C{6,8}00 pair is kinda the same inside...
--
martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
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i am willing to make the mistakes
if someone else is willing to learn from them.
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Re: Radeon Mobility LY supported by Debian?
also sprach bozhou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.05.0137 +0200]: > When I type "startx", it lists a set of R128 and Radeon cards supported, > but Radeon Mobility LY is not listed. Is this card unsupported? Do I > need to wait for the 4.2.0 packages? yes. 4.2.0 will support it. until then, use the "vesa" driver with a ModeLine like this: Modeline "1400x1050" 129 1400 1464 1656 1960 1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync to get the 1400x1050 resolution. it works. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is." -- oscar wilde pgp7YF09jjpcR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian laptop for a train hopper
also sprach Dennis Kibbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.14.1826 +0200]: > You can pick them up on eBay for under US$250 with a 2gig HD, 80Mb > RAM. Mine runs Potato just fine and I've loaded SUSE 7.1 on another > with acceptable performance using the KDE desktop. Considering the > price and the fact that you can pickup and extra battery or AC > adapter quite cheaply I think the 560E makes a great basic travelers > or students laptop. s/560E/760E/ but yes, i second. and it's sturdy as hell. meaning: i've punched the ones i had and they've fallen down several meters, and they're running like a charm :_) -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux is like a wigwam. no gates, no windoze, and an apache inside. pgpyyNU7JLQjY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian laptop for a train hopper
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.14.2009 +0200]: > but yes, i second. and it's sturdy as hell. meaning: i've punched the > ones i had and they've fallen down several meters, and they're running > like a charm :_) and even though michael dell and bill gates have sex with each other, dell's laptops are not that linux-friendly, and their attitude towards support and the way to handle clients is below zero, their systems are still very reliable and robust, IMHO. but before i'd buy another dell, i'd think thrice about it. they are capitalist arseholes, blinded by money and seemingly uninterested to let their clients run anything but micro$oft... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "and no one sings me lullabies, and no one makes me close my eyes, and so i throw the windows wide, and call to you across the sky" -- pink floyd, 1971 pgpMMCtk5WAls.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian laptop for a train hopper
also sprach Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.14.2200 +0200]: > If they were really capitalistic then they would provide half-decent support > for Linux (not full support because they know we don't need hand-holding and > they want to save money). > > Linux users make up a reasonable slice of the high-end of the market, also > Linux users tend to be in influential positions regarding the purchase of > more serious machines. i agree with you completely. teach them. (but also think about it: supporting linux requires *a lot* of resources, and dell takes the all-or-nothing approach). -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] dazed and confused, but trying to continue. pgpnCvIZaDisl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian for a train hopper
also sprach David D.W. Downey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.14.2344 +0200]: > Actually I don't know what you guys are talking about. I am fiercely > loyal to Dell as a customer simply beause I got EXCELLENT technical > support from them with CPx laptops, PowerEdge and PowerApp servers, > and every single (yes, EVERY single) one of those machines (over > 1500 total) have all run linux including the laptops. It didn't > violate the warrenty, and they actively pursued finding a technician > to solve my problems. That is why I ONLY buy Dell for commercial > accounts and Dells for home when I can afford it. here's what i replied: i use a lot of dell machines myself, and they all run linux and yes, it works. but it's not pretty at all times, starting with winmodems and linux-incompatible irda stuff, and ending with *zero* documentation and absolutely *no* support for linux on their pages whatsoever. that's enough for me when i compare to IBM or toshiba. i didn't get my point across well enough. Linux works, but dell doesn't want it to, and they get better at preventing it. they won't win. but they are effectively making linux not a good alternative for their consumer systems. i am talking consumer systems. poweredge and powerapps have to support linux. after all, linux is #1 with servers these days... dell knows that. but dell gets paid enough by microsoft to aid them to keep linux off the home and employee screens. > Someone needs to stop spreading FUD that they have bad support or > that they don't support Linux, cause that's total bullshit. i guess it depends on how much money you give them. if you are *just* a regular user like me with a measely 26 dell systems then you have lost. mention linux once in a support call and you are almost guaranteed to be told that dell believes that the linux installation causes the problems (including hardware problems pertaining to batteries, for instance) and they'll either end the warranty support right there, or they'll tell you to reinstall from their support disks and come back then. trust me, it has happened not once and not only in germany. over the past three years i have experienced several such incidents in the US, the UK, switzerland, austria, germany, and france. i am glad that you have positive experiences, but you should also accept that i have negative ones. granted, i was badmouthing a little, but when you read high-level literature or magazines, you'll find out that dell is far from a good player in the field of value-for-money. i feel it's important to let people know that too, and sometimes, such a negative statement needs more volume than a positive because dell is #1 and because dell has a moderate reputation and because they are resting on that at the expense of quallity. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] the file you need might be very useful. but now it is gone. pgpHnCjpB1uRf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re:
http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml: Reply-To gives the respondant an option which would not otherwise exist: namely the ability to reply only to the list. Despite the fact that many (though not all) email clients have the ability to "reply to sender" or "reply to all recipients", many list subscribers want to reply only to the list, which is not the result of selecting either of these options. So, to ensure that the reply goes to the list, they select "reply to all recipients", which generally results in the sending of at least two email messages, one to the list, and one to the original sender. This is frequently quite annoying to the original sender, who now receives two copies of the reply. Furthermore, in many cases the original sender has added additional recipients. Not only does "reply to all recipients" send the reply to each of these additional recipients (who are frequently also members of the list), it also propagates this list of recipients onto the reply to the list. The effects of this snowball, as each additional person replies to the messages using "reply to all recipients", they become the sender, and thus get added to the list of recipients with the next reply. Thus the list of recipients grows and grows. Frequently, as the subject matter changes, members of the list find themselves receiving multiple copies of messages which have strayed from the topic in which they were originally interested, even after they have unsubscribed from the list. so *please* *stop* CCing me on a thread that i don't participate in (anymore). it's really getting on my balls! sorry to be snappy, but i take debian-* seriously and would like other people to engage their brains when participating in the forum, and not just blindly to hit reply-all! it's a respect thing, you know... -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] sic transit discus mundi. pgpkZIw6H78ji.pgp Description: PGP signature
