freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Can someone suggest reasonable kernel config values (presumably under APM) so that suspend/resume won't freeze a Dell Inspiron 3500? I am building kernel 2.2.17 from source, and have been having that problem. If you have this working, what values do you have in the kernel config for: CONFIG_APM CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_SUSPEND_BOUNCE CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF Thanks much!! Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Thanks, Jeffery. I've tried this (i.e. CONFIG_APM=y and everything else under APM off) with the same problem of freezing up when I try to resume. At least with this config I don't go into suspend after a period of inactivity. Can anyone suggest whether the problem is likely to be solved by going to a 2.2.18 kernel (I'm using 2.2.17)? Or is the difference more likely to be due to the difference in platform (I'm on an Inspiron 3500.) Thanks, Will Jeffrey S. Coppock writes: > I have a Dell Latitude CPxH that runs very well with APM and otherwise. > Here's my 2.2.18 kernel config...if it's not listed, it's not set: > [...] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Andreas Mohr writes: > [...] > > I've got an Inspiron 5000e which has all sorts of weird lockups. > Many times directly after a screen blanking it just locks up totally > (including ping !). > Or sometimes there are weird lockups with suspend/resume, yes. > > As this machine is (in)famous for its "wonderfully working" APM support > (boolean variable dell_crap in apm.c of newer, knowing kernels), > I strongly suspect that the BIOSes of Dell notebooks are [EMAIL PROTECTED] > in general. Thanks for your response, Andreas. This may be part of the story, but not the whole story, at least for Inspiron 3500. I had APM working fine under Redhat 5.2 (I think kernel 2.0.36?) on this machine. I believe I am seeing an interaction between BIOS and kernel, that I can work around if I can configure the kernel properly. Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Jeffrey S. Coppock writes: > I've run this same setup using 2.2.17 with success as well. Are > there any settings the Bios that may effect this? I checked mine > and there's just an enable/disable toggle for APM that I could > see. Good idea; I'll check. I know APM is enabled, but there might be something else as well. Thanks, Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Re: Back to Windows??
OK Debian-laptoppers. I know you think our friend Adam is a troll. But maybe not. Look. He likes Debian: > You're talking about single releases, which Debian does very well. He has a keen understanding of the organization: > Debian is one of the better companies. He has a deep grasp of netiquette: > Just because I said it on a Debian list doesn't mean I was speaking > specifically of Debian, ... He's a fantastic programmer: > I can hack the kernel ... And he's an extremely important guy: > Until you get me using Linux on all my computers, you won't get all > the rest of the world; Still, maybe if we chip in we can raise $50.00 and he'll go whine elsewhere: > [...] they simply have better things to do with their time and > most will spend $50 to make all the Linux issues go away > with Windows, as much as many of them dislike it. Adam: It's ok. You don't have to use Debian on your laptop, or Debian, or Linux, if you don't want to. I imagine the time you've spent on the defensive here is worth over the $50.00 you refered to. For the most part, the ones most welcome in the community are the ones most willing to contribute -- your complaints don't count as "contribution". So, spend the money and get an OS you're happier with, and chill on comp.os.w95 or wherever it is like-minded folks hang out. Will
Re: [OT] reload files from disk
Daniel Reuter writes: > Hello, > > > > How can one FORCE to have a program reloaded from disk and not from > > > buffer cache, when it has already been run once? > > > > Er, there really isn't a way to do that. However, you can flush it out > [snip] > > Are you sure that's the question you really meant to ask? What is the > > actual problem you have or want to investigate? > > Now, the problem was, that X crashed on startup (With a stack trace and > all, however I didn't have the complete output of the Xserver, as it > vanished upwards on the console). If you want to capture the output of a command (like startx) do something like startx > startx.out 2>startx.err to capture stdout and stderr to the named files for later examination. > I first thought it was > the window-manager, so I started X without any other service running. It > crashed anyway repeatedly. This never happened before, so I supposed the > program got somehow corrupt while loading into memory. Seems very unlikely to me. > As I needed X at the moment, I rebooted the machine. Then it worked > without problems. A lot of other things happen when you reboot. I'm not sure about this but: X uses networking services at some level -- easier than rebooting would be restarting those. Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
WHERE are the docs?
I was pretty much able to set up Debian on my Inspiron (apm, pcmcia, modem and ethernet cards) from reading the HOWTO's in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (and a little help from right here.) The pcmcia one was especially good. The Debian-specific docs seem to be in /usr/share/doc/. There ought to be an overview of the Debian Way To Do Networking, but I haven't found it. Sometimes docs don't get installed when you think they should, so using 'find ...' to find them is fruitless. Suggestion for Debian maintainers: at install time let me specify "I want all relevant docs by default". On one system I have (not my notebook) I managed (newbily surfing through dselect) to have installed gcc, but no gcc info pages. It took me a while to realize I needed the gcc-doc package. Why not have foo-docless packages for those who really don't want docs, and let the package foo contain the docs? Will tom writes: > I'm really trying to RTFM but I have a heck of a time finding it. > [...] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Re: x configuration on sony vaio
Eric Richardson writes: > amael wrote: > > > > okay, i just figured this out. [...] > There is a file /etc/X11/Xserver. The first line states the server name > like XF86_SVGA. Please check this as you should not have to create a > symlink. Your method circumvents the way it is suppose to work in > Debian. Thanks for mentioneing this Eric. I was wondering what the message amael reported was talking about : " ... rootonly ..." This is what my /etc/X11/Xserver has, maybe useful for amael: $ cat /etc/X11/Xserver /etc/X11/X Console The first line in this file is the full pathname of the default X server. The second line shows who is allowed to run the X server: RootOnly Console (anyone whose controlling tty is on the console) Anybody Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
Display errors on Sony Viao
Is there a file /etc/X11/X? Yes: Is it a symbolic link? No: Is it executable? Yes: You'll have to ask someone else what to do. No: Make it executable using chmod. Yes: Make sure the file it points to exists and is executable. No: Either change the first line of /etc/X11/Xserver to be the name of an existing executable xserver; or make /etc/X11/X be or point to one. (If someone else on this list contradicts what I just said, listen to them, not me. The above works for me, but may not be "Debian-pure".) Will jimmy sandhar writes: > Hi All, > While trying to run the startx my system errors as follows: > X: exec of /etc/X11/X failed > xinit: Connection refused ( errno 111 ): unable to connect to X server > xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error > Please help > Regards, > Jimmy > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156
freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Can someone suggest reasonable kernel config values (presumably under APM) so that suspend/resume won't freeze a Dell Inspiron 3500? I am building kernel 2.2.17 from source, and have been having that problem. If you have this working, what values do you have in the kernel config for: CONFIG_APM CONFIG_APM_DISABLE_BY_DEFAULT CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_SUSPEND_BOUNCE CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF Thanks much!! Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Thanks, Jeffery. I've tried this (i.e. CONFIG_APM=y and everything else under APM off) with the same problem of freezing up when I try to resume. At least with this config I don't go into suspend after a period of inactivity. Can anyone suggest whether the problem is likely to be solved by going to a 2.2.18 kernel (I'm using 2.2.17)? Or is the difference more likely to be due to the difference in platform (I'm on an Inspiron 3500.) Thanks, Will Jeffrey S. Coppock writes: > I have a Dell Latitude CPxH that runs very well with APM and otherwise. Here's my >2.2.18 kernel config...if it's not listed, it's not set: > [...] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Andreas Mohr writes: > [...] > > I've got an Inspiron 5000e which has all sorts of weird lockups. > Many times directly after a screen blanking it just locks up totally > (including ping !). > Or sometimes there are weird lockups with suspend/resume, yes. > > As this machine is (in)famous for its "wonderfully working" APM support > (boolean variable dell_crap in apm.c of newer, knowing kernels), > I strongly suspect that the BIOSes of Dell notebooks are brox!@E$%^$en > in general. Thanks for your response, Andreas. This may be part of the story, but not the whole story, at least for Inspiron 3500. I had APM working fine under Redhat 5.2 (I think kernel 2.0.36?) on this machine. I believe I am seeing an interaction between BIOS and kernel, that I can work around if I can configure the kernel properly. Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeze after suspend on Inspiron 3500, potato/2.2.17
Jeffrey S. Coppock writes: > I've run this same setup using 2.2.17 with success as well. Are > there any settings the Bios that may effect this? I checked mine > and there's just an enable/disable toggle for APM that I could > see. Good idea; I'll check. I know APM is enabled, but there might be something else as well. Thanks, Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Back to Windows??
OK Debian-laptoppers. I know you think our friend Adam is a troll. But maybe not. Look. He likes Debian: > You're talking about single releases, which Debian does very well. He has a keen understanding of the organization: > Debian is one of the better companies. He has a deep grasp of netiquette: > Just because I said it on a Debian list doesn't mean I was speaking > specifically of Debian, ... He's a fantastic programmer: > I can hack the kernel ... And he's an extremely important guy: > Until you get me using Linux on all my computers, you won't get all > the rest of the world; Still, maybe if we chip in we can raise $50.00 and he'll go whine elsewhere: > [...] they simply have better things to do with their time and > most will spend $50 to make all the Linux issues go away > with Windows, as much as many of them dislike it. Adam: It's ok. You don't have to use Debian on your laptop, or Debian, or Linux, if you don't want to. I imagine the time you've spent on the defensive here is worth over the $50.00 you refered to. For the most part, the ones most welcome in the community are the ones most willing to contribute -- your complaints don't count as "contribution". So, spend the money and get an OS you're happier with, and chill on comp.os.w95 or wherever it is like-minded folks hang out. Will -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] reload files from disk
Daniel Reuter writes: > Hello, > > > > How can one FORCE to have a program reloaded from disk and not from > > > buffer cache, when it has already been run once? > > > > Er, there really isn't a way to do that. However, you can flush it out > [snip] > > Are you sure that's the question you really meant to ask? What is the > > actual problem you have or want to investigate? > > Now, the problem was, that X crashed on startup (With a stack trace and > all, however I didn't have the complete output of the Xserver, as it > vanished upwards on the console). If you want to capture the output of a command (like startx) do something like startx > startx.out 2>startx.err to capture stdout and stderr to the named files for later examination. > I first thought it was > the window-manager, so I started X without any other service running. It > crashed anyway repeatedly. This never happened before, so I supposed the > program got somehow corrupt while loading into memory. Seems very unlikely to me. > As I needed X at the moment, I rebooted the machine. Then it worked > without problems. A lot of other things happen when you reboot. I'm not sure about this but: X uses networking services at some level -- easier than rebooting would be restarting those. Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WHERE are the docs?
I was pretty much able to set up Debian on my Inspiron (apm, pcmcia, modem and ethernet cards) from reading the HOWTO's in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (and a little help from right here.) The pcmcia one was especially good. The Debian-specific docs seem to be in /usr/share/doc/. There ought to be an overview of the Debian Way To Do Networking, but I haven't found it. Sometimes docs don't get installed when you think they should, so using 'find ...' to find them is fruitless. Suggestion for Debian maintainers: at install time let me specify "I want all relevant docs by default". On one system I have (not my notebook) I managed (newbily surfing through dselect) to have installed gcc, but no gcc info pages. It took me a while to realize I needed the gcc-doc package. Why not have foo-docless packages for those who really don't want docs, and let the package foo contain the docs? Will tom writes: > I'm really trying to RTFM but I have a heck of a time finding it. > [...] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x configuration on sony vaio
Eric Richardson writes: > amael wrote: > > > > okay, i just figured this out. [...] > There is a file /etc/X11/Xserver. The first line states the server name > like XF86_SVGA. Please check this as you should not have to create a > symlink. Your method circumvents the way it is suppose to work in > Debian. Thanks for mentioneing this Eric. I was wondering what the message amael reported was talking about : " ... rootonly ..." This is what my /etc/X11/Xserver has, maybe useful for amael: $ cat /etc/X11/Xserver /etc/X11/X Console The first line in this file is the full pathname of the default X server. The second line shows who is allowed to run the X server: RootOnly Console (anyone whose controlling tty is on the console) Anybody Will -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Display errors on Sony Viao
Is there a file /etc/X11/X? Yes: Is it a symbolic link? No: Is it executable? Yes: You'll have to ask someone else what to do. No: Make it executable using chmod. Yes: Make sure the file it points to exists and is executable. No: Either change the first line of /etc/X11/Xserver to be the name of an existing executable xserver; or make /etc/X11/X be or point to one. (If someone else on this list contradicts what I just said, listen to them, not me. The above works for me, but may not be "Debian-pure".) Will jimmy sandhar writes: > Hi All, > While trying to run the startx my system errors as follows: > X: exec of /etc/X11/X failed > xinit: Connection refused ( errno 111 ): unable to connect to X server > xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error > Please help > Regards, > Jimmy > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- William F. Dowling ISI/Thomson Scientific (www.isinet.com) 215-386-0100 x-1156 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
