Re: learning programming
> personal preference, I think.
>
> And perl/python is apples and oranges: python is object oriented (like java,
> C++), while perl is more like C.
>
Perl is more like C, but with objects (and lots of other
stuff).
> A lot of people take issues with perl's lack of standards-- where {}, (), etc,
> may or may not be required.
A lack of standards is also what makes a language hard to
learn. Also keep in mind that if you are learning a language
for the first time, you need to be able to get a strong grasp
of fundamental concepts such as data types, arrays, variables,
and so on. That would call languages like Perl, C and C++ into
question (great languages though they are). Even with ANSI
standards, C and C++ carry so many subtleties that a person
has to learn all at once, that things could be legitiamtely
confusing first time out.
You also have to wonder if it is really meaningful to learn an
object-oriented language first time out. Should you not teach
the fundamentals - procedures, functions, parameter passing,
recursion, and so on, before you teach OO? I know that OO is
in many places taught as a first language anyway, and I even
admit to owning two books teaching OO as the first language
(one in C++ and one in Java). It depends on where you want to
go.
But that is why abstract "teaching languages" had been
developed - such as ANSI Pascal (which is now largely a
dinosaur), or more modern languages such as OO-Turing (a
latter-day successor to Pascal): to teach concepts such as
procedures and fucntions in an environment where the syntax is
clear to the programmer and data is strongly typed. It even
allows for the learning of OO later on. Once you have a sure
grounding in the basic concepts, you can move on to a more
"relevant" language where things are less clear-cut.
However, nowadays, I am noticing more and more campuses
turning to Java as the beginning language. That is, Java
without a GUI and without a graphical interface (other than
Notepad or Emacs). Admittedly, typing is as strong and the
syntax is about as predictable as the Turing, but it is pure
O-O, even if you try to teach it as a procedural language,
which is done for much of the first course. I thought it was
difficult to teach pointers in that language. However, it
appears that Java has "something" about it that beahves like a
pointer, so a lot of time in the university course (which
doesn't use Savitch's book) is devoted to that also.
Actually, I have 3 books:
"Introduction to Programming Using Java", by Arnow and
Weiss (used in the beginning University
course
mentioned above)
"Java: An Introduction to Computer Science &
Programming", 2e, by Walter Savitch - uses
Borland/Inprise JBuilder 3 Foundation (for which
it
provides an installation CD) - This one begins
the student in a GUI/RAD environment first time
out. I have not tried the book out myself to see
how successful it is.
"C++: An Introduction to Programming", by Jesse Liberty
and Jim Keogh - a surprisingly good book on C++.
It
is how I learned C++.
Hope this helps.
Paul King
>
> As to having {} and ;, it's a matter of the language structure, and that's all.
> Whether or not you use them is simply a matter of how you structure the
> language.
>
> glen
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:30:34PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > J?rgen A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:20:09 +0100:
> > > Correction: If you want to learn programming, Perl is the *wrong*
> > > language.
> > >
> > Nope, not at all. Perl is like C, C++, Java, etc. Python is like Basic. To
> > become a good programmer you should get used of ; and { and } as soon as
> > possible. ;-)
> >
> > So you can spend some time on Python, but do switch to C (or Perl first)
> > ASAP.
> >
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Re: HD problem, Debian Sarge 2.6.9, 30GB IBM HD
On my IBM Laptop, that had happened to me with an external drive hooked up via
USB. I heard several clicks in the rapid succession, suggesting perhaps
thrashing heads. It turns out that the hard drive was flaky and had to be
replaced.
If the kernel is diabling the DMA to your HD, then you may have the same
problem. I find even a good USB hard drive is notoriously slow at any rate.
Paul
> Hi
>
> On my dell laptop, I hear weird clicks now and then. I had no idea what it
> was,
> and nobody had similar issues on this forum, as I asked before. My problem
> isnt
> when the harddrive clicks several times, for me its just one click, and then
> silence for a long time, and click again.
>
> Now I got further. SOmetimes when I use the HD excessively, like tar-ing large
> files, etc, the HD light goes on, and stays on for 10-15 seconds, while
> nothing
> happenes on the laptop, and the mouse also freezes (I cannot move it for the
> 10-15 sec).
>
> In the /var/log/messages the following shows up:
>
> Dec 26 19:40:35 localhost kernel: hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
> Dec
> 26 19:40:46 localhost kernel: hda: DMA timeout error Dec 26 19:40:46 localhost
> kernel: hda: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } Dec 26 19:40:46 localhost
> kernel: hda: DMA disabled
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ben
>
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Experience with Averatec laptops, anyone?
Hello I was wondering if anyone knew about the Avaratec C3500 Series laptops/tablets. I seem to have an unusual video problem (horizontal hold goes nuts after it warms up). The video problem is intermittent, and has happened recently. I can't think of anything recent that I've done differently. Basically, I want to know if anyone has one of these things, whether this is considered unusual, or was it the subject of a recall that anyone knows of? I am sending it back to the vendor (still under warranty), and I got no clear answers from their tech support. The tablet runs XP + Debian Sarge. Paul King = Paul Kinghttp://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dselect sucks greasy cheese balls
Dselect is now trying to make design decisions on my computer against my wishes. I thought only GatesWare did that. But I digress. I have installed WordPerfect Office 2000 on my laptop. dselect reports these as brokenly installed packages but the apps work fine. The next time I use dselect, it then wants to uninstall all of these so-called broken packages when I try to install something else. I suspect the "brokenness" is due to the fact that I am using Woody, and that WPO 2000 was designed back when Potato was the current Debian system. But the application is working fine, and dselect is uninstalling it!!! How do I stop it from doing this? There must be some way to over-ride these actions. Paul King = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell)
WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem
I am using WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO2000) Debian 3 on my laptop, and have had problems in configuring the WordPerfect packages. Most things work on it (Quattro Pro, Central, Presentations), except WordPerfect itself. Currently, dselect has been giving me grief about the Corel packages, saying that they are broken when they work (all but WordPerfect, however). I have had to "hold" the packages to keep them from being deleted. It complained about a missing package "libncurses4" - an old package. I found the Corel CD and took libncurses4 from that CD. I use dpkg -i to install it; and it installs with no errors. I later try to install something else, and the installation aborts, since it is now complaining about libncurses4 being a "broken" package (but dselect's "Select" feature shows that it is not with its "*"). dselect has now refused to install anything new. Its message was something to the effect that it will not install anything until it fixes libncurses4; but it can't do that if I am holding the WPO2000 packages. When I un-hold them and select "config", it seems to be fixing them, but when I hit "install" to install the other packages it first wants to delete WPO2000, resulting in my having to "hold" them again. But then it complains about libncurses4 again. Stupid package manager. Paul King= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell)
Re: WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem
apt-get -f install Hadn't tried it before. This succeeded in enabling me to install the packages I wanted. It did, however, remove the "broken" WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO 2000) packages. My solution to this problem (it wasn't clear if the installation disk for WPO 2000 was properly scanned in as an "install disk") was to "scan in" the installation CD using apt-cdrom add This worked, without complaint, except I had to type in a descriptive name for the CD. I installed the formerly broken packages by using only the name of the "highest" broken package (wpo2000-full-std) as the option to "dpkg -i". It "knew" what to install after, telling me that "apt-cdrom" worked properly even though this is just an installation CD for WPO 2000. No packages appear to be broken under dselect, except that the WordPerfect 10 application still doesn't work on the laptop. Date sent: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:59:20 -0800 From: Pietro Calogero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:Re: WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi Paul, scanning my emails in haste, don't know if you have tried: > apt-get -f install > yet. I was in the middle of updating to KDE 3.1 when a bunch of things > went sour, and John Mitchell recommended this fix. I'm a newbie and I > thought that '-f' meant "force," but with apt-get the -f means "fix" and > it did a great job straightening out the archive so that I could proceed > with the install. > Pietro > > Paul King wrote: > > >I am using WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO2000) Debian 3 on my laptop, and have > >had problems in configuring the WordPerfect packages. Most things work on it > >(Quattro Pro, Central, Presentations), except WordPerfect itself. Currently, > >dselect has been giving me grief about the Corel packages, saying that they > >are > > broken when they work (all but WordPerfect, however). I have had to "hold" > > the > > packages to keep them from being deleted. > > > >It complained about a missing package "libncurses4" - an old package. I found > >the Corel CD and took libncurses4 from that CD. I use dpkg -i to install it; > >and it installs with no errors. > > > >I later try to install something else, and the installation aborts, since it > >is > > now complaining about libncurses4 being a "broken" package (but dselect's > >"Select" feature shows that it is not with its "*"). dselect has now refused > >to > > install anything new. Its message was something to the effect that it will > > not > > install anything until it fixes libncurses4; but it can't do that if I am > >holding the WPO2000 packages. When I un-hold them and select "config", it > >seems > > to be fixing them, but when I hit "install" to install the other packages it > >first wants to delete WPO2000, resulting in my having to "hold" them again. > >But > > then it complains about libncurses4 again. > > > >Stupid package manager. > > > >Paul King= > >Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > >(905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell) > > > > > > > > > = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell)
Re: learning programming
> personal preference, I think.
>
> And perl/python is apples and oranges: python is object oriented (like java,
> C++), while perl is more like C.
>
Perl is more like C, but with objects (and lots of other
stuff).
> A lot of people take issues with perl's lack of standards-- where {}, (), etc,
> may or may not be required.
A lack of standards is also what makes a language hard to
learn. Also keep in mind that if you are learning a language
for the first time, you need to be able to get a strong grasp
of fundamental concepts such as data types, arrays, variables,
and so on. That would call languages like Perl, C and C++ into
question (great languages though they are). Even with ANSI
standards, C and C++ carry so many subtleties that a person
has to learn all at once, that things could be legitiamtely
confusing first time out.
You also have to wonder if it is really meaningful to learn an
object-oriented language first time out. Should you not teach
the fundamentals - procedures, functions, parameter passing,
recursion, and so on, before you teach OO? I know that OO is
in many places taught as a first language anyway, and I even
admit to owning two books teaching OO as the first language
(one in C++ and one in Java). It depends on where you want to
go.
But that is why abstract "teaching languages" had been
developed - such as ANSI Pascal (which is now largely a
dinosaur), or more modern languages such as OO-Turing (a
latter-day successor to Pascal): to teach concepts such as
procedures and fucntions in an environment where the syntax is
clear to the programmer and data is strongly typed. It even
allows for the learning of OO later on. Once you have a sure
grounding in the basic concepts, you can move on to a more
"relevant" language where things are less clear-cut.
However, nowadays, I am noticing more and more campuses
turning to Java as the beginning language. That is, Java
without a GUI and without a graphical interface (other than
Notepad or Emacs). Admittedly, typing is as strong and the
syntax is about as predictable as the Turing, but it is pure
O-O, even if you try to teach it as a procedural language,
which is done for much of the first course. I thought it was
difficult to teach pointers in that language. However, it
appears that Java has "something" about it that beahves like a
pointer, so a lot of time in the university course (which
doesn't use Savitch's book) is devoted to that also.
Actually, I have 3 books:
"Introduction to Programming Using Java", by Arnow and
Weiss (used in the beginning University
course
mentioned above)
"Java: An Introduction to Computer Science &
Programming", 2e, by Walter Savitch - uses
Borland/Inprise JBuilder 3 Foundation (for which
it
provides an installation CD) - This one begins
the student in a GUI/RAD environment first time
out. I have not tried the book out myself to see
how successful it is.
"C++: An Introduction to Programming", by Jesse Liberty
and Jim Keogh - a surprisingly good book on C++.
It
is how I learned C++.
Hope this helps.
Paul King
>
> As to having {} and ;, it's a matter of the language structure, and that's
> all.
> Whether or not you use them is simply a matter of how you structure the
> language.
>
> glen
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:30:34PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > J?rgen A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:20:09 +0100:
> > > Correction: If you want to learn programming, Perl is the *wrong*
> > > language.
> > >
> > Nope, not at all. Perl is like C, C++, Java, etc. Python is like Basic. To
> > become a good programmer you should get used of ; and { and } as soon as
> > possible. ;-)
> >
> > So you can spend some time on Python, but do switch to C (or Perl first)
> > ASAP.
> >
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PCMCIA network cards and the ThinkPad 770
Hello:
I am a first-time installer of a PCMCIA card on the laptop,
and I find this very confusing. Since I am not sure what is
important about this problem and what isn't, I will just tell
you what I know. Sorry if this is long-winded.
I have a used ThinkPad 770 on which I have Debian Potato,
running a 2.2.17 stock kernel. The version of the PCMCIA-cs
that I am using is 3.1.x from the potato distribution CD, and
the documentation with this card says that the minimum version
should be 2.9.2. The PCMCIA card I have is a Linksys
EtherFast 10/100 model PCMPC100, which is listed in the
recommended hardware for pcmcia-cs. The error from my system
log says "Unable to read hardware net address" with no further
detail. This error is not accounted for in the PCMCIA-HOWTO.
The driver loads with a high tone, then a low tone. I am aware
that this is supposed to be bad news.
>From the original configuration, several laptop drivers
install to memory: i82365, pcmcia_core, 8390, pcnet_cs, and
ds, (which now that I look at it appears to be more drivers
than I expected - these are listed by lsmod).
Upon loading, the stab file is created in /var/lib/pcmcia/ (I
had to create the directory myself, not mentioned in the docs)
and is deleted after the card is removed. When the file
exists, it says:
Socket 0: NE2000 Compatible Ethernet
Socket 1: empty
The example given in the PCMCIA-HOWTO shows a stab with much
more information than this. Also, I am not altogether sure if
my card is indeed NE2000 Compatible. "cardctl ident" (below)
gives the correct information.
/etc/pcmcia/config.opts had the line:
include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x1000-0x17ff
This generated errors in the system log: During the memory
scan, four regions of memory were excluded within the range of
0x100-0x4ff. So, I got rid of that region and left it as:
include port 0x1000-0x17ff
without any complaints from the kernel or software after
restarting the /etc/init.d/pcmcia script. Nevertheless, that
did not change the error "Unable to read hardware net
address", which persisted, but at least it got rid of the
exclusions. These exclusions were (if this means anyting to
anybody): 0x15e8-0x15ef, 0x200-0x207, 0x200-0x22f, and 0x388-
0x4d7.
In the Debian way of doing things, I cannot find any place
where the PCMCIA, PCIC, and PCIC_OPTS variables are set, as
recommended in the PCMCIA-HOWTO. Setting PCIC (a "mandatory"
setting, according to the HOWTO) in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts
has no effect on the error "Unable to read hardware net
address".
For further information:
"cardctl status" gives:
Socket 0:
5V 16-bit PC Card
function 0: [ready], [wp]
"cardctl config" gives:
Socket 0:
Vcc 5.0V Vpp1 0.0V Vpp2 0.0V
"cardctl ident" gives:
Socket 0:
product info: "Linksys", "EtherFast 10/100 PC Card
(PCMPC100 V3)", "V2.0", " "
manfid: 0x0149, 0xc1ab
function: 6 (network)
Any help is appreciated.
Paul King
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Re: Compiling the kernel - and losing my modules
You forgot: make modules make modules_install
PCMCIA network cards and the ThinkPad 770
Hello:
I am a first-time installer of a PCMCIA card on the laptop,
and I find this very confusing. Since I am not sure what is
important about this problem and what isn't, I will just tell
you what I know. Sorry if this is long-winded.
I have a used ThinkPad 770 on which I have Debian Potato,
running a 2.2.17 stock kernel. The version of the PCMCIA-cs
that I am using is 3.1.x from the potato distribution CD, and
the documentation with this card says that the minimum version
should be 2.9.2. The PCMCIA card I have is a Linksys
EtherFast 10/100 model PCMPC100, which is listed in the
recommended hardware for pcmcia-cs. The error from my system
log says "Unable to read hardware net address" with no further
detail. This error is not accounted for in the PCMCIA-HOWTO.
The driver loads with a high tone, then a low tone. I am aware
that this is supposed to be bad news.
>From the original configuration, several laptop drivers
install to memory: i82365, pcmcia_core, 8390, pcnet_cs, and
ds, (which now that I look at it appears to be more drivers
than I expected - these are listed by lsmod).
Upon loading, the stab file is created in /var/lib/pcmcia/ (I
had to create the directory myself, not mentioned in the docs)
and is deleted after the card is removed. When the file
exists, it says:
Socket 0: NE2000 Compatible Ethernet
Socket 1: empty
The example given in the PCMCIA-HOWTO shows a stab with much
more information than this. Also, I am not altogether sure if
my card is indeed NE2000 Compatible. "cardctl ident" (below)
gives the correct information.
/etc/pcmcia/config.opts had the line:
include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x1000-0x17ff
This generated errors in the system log: During the memory
scan, four regions of memory were excluded within the range of
0x100-0x4ff. So, I got rid of that region and left it as:
include port 0x1000-0x17ff
without any complaints from the kernel or software after
restarting the /etc/init.d/pcmcia script. Nevertheless, that
did not change the error "Unable to read hardware net
address", which persisted, but at least it got rid of the
exclusions. These exclusions were (if this means anyting to
anybody): 0x15e8-0x15ef, 0x200-0x207, 0x200-0x22f, and 0x388-
0x4d7.
In the Debian way of doing things, I cannot find any place
where the PCMCIA, PCIC, and PCIC_OPTS variables are set, as
recommended in the PCMCIA-HOWTO. Setting PCIC (a "mandatory"
setting, according to the HOWTO) in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts
has no effect on the error "Unable to read hardware net
address".
For further information:
"cardctl status" gives:
Socket 0:
5V 16-bit PC Card
function 0: [ready], [wp]
"cardctl config" gives:
Socket 0:
Vcc 5.0V Vpp1 0.0V Vpp2 0.0V
"cardctl ident" gives:
Socket 0:
product info: "Linksys", "EtherFast 10/100 PC Card
(PCMPC100 V3)", "V2.0", " "
manfid: 0x0149, 0xc1ab
function: 6 (network)
Any help is appreciated.
Paul King
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dselect sucks greasy cheese balls
Dselect is now trying to make design decisions on my computer against my wishes. I thought only GatesWare did that. But I digress. I have installed WordPerfect Office 2000 on my laptop. dselect reports these as brokenly installed packages but the apps work fine. The next time I use dselect, it then wants to uninstall all of these so-called broken packages when I try to install something else. I suspect the "brokenness" is due to the fact that I am using Woody, and that WPO 2000 was designed back when Potato was the current Debian system. But the application is working fine, and dselect is uninstalling it!!! How do I stop it from doing this? There must be some way to over-ride these actions. Paul King = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem
I am using WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO2000) Debian 3 on my laptop, and have had problems in configuring the WordPerfect packages. Most things work on it (Quattro Pro, Central, Presentations), except WordPerfect itself. Currently, dselect has been giving me grief about the Corel packages, saying that they are broken when they work (all but WordPerfect, however). I have had to "hold" the packages to keep them from being deleted. It complained about a missing package "libncurses4" - an old package. I found the Corel CD and took libncurses4 from that CD. I use dpkg -i to install it; and it installs with no errors. I later try to install something else, and the installation aborts, since it is now complaining about libncurses4 being a "broken" package (but dselect's "Select" feature shows that it is not with its "*"). dselect has now refused to install anything new. Its message was something to the effect that it will not install anything until it fixes libncurses4; but it can't do that if I am holding the WPO2000 packages. When I un-hold them and select "config", it seems to be fixing them, but when I hit "install" to install the other packages it first wants to delete WPO2000, resulting in my having to "hold" them again. But then it complains about libncurses4 again. Stupid package manager. Paul King= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem
apt-get -f install Hadn't tried it before. This succeeded in enabling me to install the packages I wanted. It did, however, remove the "broken" WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO 2000) packages. My solution to this problem (it wasn't clear if the installation disk for WPO 2000 was properly scanned in as an "install disk") was to "scan in" the installation CD using apt-cdrom add This worked, without complaint, except I had to type in a descriptive name for the CD. I installed the formerly broken packages by using only the name of the "highest" broken package (wpo2000-full-std) as the option to "dpkg -i". It "knew" what to install after, telling me that "apt-cdrom" worked properly even though this is just an installation CD for WPO 2000. No packages appear to be broken under dselect, except that the WordPerfect 10 application still doesn't work on the laptop. Date sent: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:59:20 -0800 From: Pietro Calogero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:Re: WordPerfect on TP770: libncurses4 package problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi Paul, scanning my emails in haste, don't know if you have tried: > apt-get -f install > yet. I was in the middle of updating to KDE 3.1 when a bunch of things > went sour, and John Mitchell recommended this fix. I'm a newbie and I > thought that '-f' meant "force," but with apt-get the -f means "fix" and > it did a great job straightening out the archive so that I could proceed > with the install. > Pietro > > Paul King wrote: > > >I am using WordPerfect Office 2000 (WPO2000) Debian 3 on my laptop, and have > >had problems in configuring the WordPerfect packages. Most things work on it > >(Quattro Pro, Central, Presentations), except WordPerfect itself. Currently, > >dselect has been giving me grief about the Corel packages, saying that they are > > broken when they work (all but WordPerfect, however). I have had to "hold" the > > packages to keep them from being deleted. > > > >It complained about a missing package "libncurses4" - an old package. I found > >the Corel CD and took libncurses4 from that CD. I use dpkg -i to install it; > >and it installs with no errors. > > > >I later try to install something else, and the installation aborts, since it is > > now complaining about libncurses4 being a "broken" package (but dselect's > >"Select" feature shows that it is not with its "*"). dselect has now refused to > > install anything new. Its message was something to the effect that it will not > > install anything until it fixes libncurses4; but it can't do that if I am > >holding the WPO2000 packages. When I un-hold them and select "config", it seems > > to be fixing them, but when I hit "install" to install the other packages it > >first wants to delete WPO2000, resulting in my having to "hold" them again. But > > then it complains about libncurses4 again. > > > >Stupid package manager. > > > >Paul King= > >Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > >(905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell) > > > > > > > > > = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ (905) 842-7451 (416) 428-7451 (cell) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linksys EtherFast error - eth0: lost link beat
I also have a Linksys on my laptop and get the same error. On my unit, it appears to be due to a loose connection between the card and the dongle. Paul King Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:01:49 -0500 From: "Randy W. Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Linksys EtherFast error - eth0: lost link beat Forwarded by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date forwarded: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:02:04 -0600 (CST) > I've got an old Toshiba Satellite 2655XDVD that I installed Debian 3.0r1 > on. It keeps giving error messages: > > eth0: lost link beat > eth0: found link beat > eth0: autonegotiation complete: 100baseT-HD selected > > [repeat...] > > It's connected to a network via a Linksys PCMLM56 EtherFast 10/100+56K > Modem PC Card. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to configuring > hardware; Can someone point me in the right direction? > > I already followed the directions on the Linksys support pages, adding > the following to /etc/pcmcia/config: > > card "Linksys EtherFast LANmodem 56K" > version "Linksys", "EtherFast 10&100 + 56K PC Card (PCMLM56)" > bind "pcnet_cs", "serial_cs" > > Thanks, > Randy. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linksys EtherFast error - eth0: lost link beat
I also have a Linksys on my laptop and get the same error. On my unit, it appears to be due to a loose connection between the card and the dongle. Paul King Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:01:49 -0500 From: "Randy W. Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Subject:Linksys EtherFast error - eth0: lost link beat Forwarded by: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org Date forwarded: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:02:04 -0600 (CST) > I've got an old Toshiba Satellite 2655XDVD that I installed Debian 3.0r1 > on. It keeps giving error messages: > > eth0: lost link beat > eth0: found link beat > eth0: autonegotiation complete: 100baseT-HD selected > > [repeat...] > > It's connected to a network via a Linksys PCMLM56 EtherFast 10/100+56K > Modem PC Card. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to configuring > hardware; Can someone point me in the right direction? > > I already followed the directions on the Linksys support pages, adding > the following to /etc/pcmcia/config: > > card "Linksys EtherFast LANmodem 56K" > version "Linksys", "EtherFast 10&100 + 56K PC Card (PCMLM56)" > bind "pcnet_cs", "serial_cs" > > Thanks, > Randy. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/
