Re: what laptop to buy

[James Clark]

Daniel Dalton wrote:

have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?


I wouldn't pay more than $1300nz for a new laptop.  That way you can get 
an upgrade every 18 months, by which time the hardware will be faster, 
break more often, be more closed and require MS more.


I'm on a Toshiba, don't think I'll buy another one.  On this one the 
mobo died after I had it for 5 weeks, so it had to go back to base to be 
fixed which took another two weeks.  I'm actually very careful with my 
laptop, it spends it's life on a table (not on my knee).



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Re: force charching in squeeze

[Selim T. Erdogan]

Flo, 18.01.2010 tarihinde şöyle yazmış:
> 
> Does any one know how to trigger charging the notebook battery?
> apparently the policy with ac-adapter online is: "run down the battery,
> start charging only when it's under 10%" (10% being a guess).
> 
> Maybe this is a feature for longer battery life, fine. but sometimes I
> want my battery charged NOW. I cant't find the place to tune this. it's
> debian squeeze with gnome on an acer travelmate 4002 wlmi.

Do you mean that after plugging it in, the battery charge will continue 
to drop until below 10% but then it starts charging and goes to 100% 
without problems?  (What would happen now if you unplug and re-plug at 
50%?)  Or by saying that it won't charge under 10%, do you mean that it 
also never exceeds that?  If so, I think your battery has gotten old.  
This is what happened when my batteries got old.


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Re: what laptop to buy

[Andrea Ferraresi]

2010/1/19 James Clark :
> Daniel Dalton wrote:
>>
>> have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?

Hi daniel,
I'm currently use a dell vostro 1400, it works flawlessy full
functional wifi, microphone, touchpad.

You can buy it with ubuntu installed on it in america or you can
refuse the window license in europe.

Good luck.

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Re: what laptop to buy

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 09:34:00PM +1300, James Clark wrote:
> Daniel Dalton wrote:
> >have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?
> 
> I wouldn't pay more than $1300nz for a new laptop.  That way you can
> get an upgrade every 18 months, by which time the hardware will be
> faster, break more often, be more closed and require MS more.

Yep, but I'll have this one for at least 3 years due to the funding
arrangements, hopefully longer as it's supposed to be a good machine.

Dan


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Re: what laptop to buy

[Tim Tebbit]

Daniel Dalton wrote:
> Yes, thanks for sharing. 
> 
> I'm going to increase my budget by $800, and get a Lenovo thinkpad
> X200. Anyone got one of these, what do you think of it?
> 
> I found it on amazon for $1100, which I could probably get shipped out
> here to Australia by a third party, for under au$1300, in total
> costs. However, Amazon says I will void my manufacturer's warranty if I
> export it out of the US... Can anyone offer any advice or will I just
> have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan


Ditto to the T61/Lenovo suggestions. There is also very good
documentation on the entire ThinkPad series.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

and a great list

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hardware.thinkpad


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Re: what laptop to buy

[Imre Vida]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00:18AM -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote:
> Daniel Dalton wrote:
> > Yes, thanks for sharing. 
> > 
> > I'm going to increase my budget by $800, and get a Lenovo thinkpad
> > X200. Anyone got one of these, what do you think of it?
> > 
> > I found it on amazon for $1100, which I could probably get shipped out
> > here to Australia by a third party, for under au$1300, in total
> > costs. However, Amazon says I will void my manufacturer's warranty if I
> > export it out of the US... Can anyone offer any advice or will I just
> > have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Dan
> 
> 
> Ditto to the T61/Lenovo suggestions. There is also very good
> documentation on the entire ThinkPad series.
> 
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

have been using a T60p for over 4 years by now and still very happy with it.
Essentially all hardware components are supported by Linux (except for
the modem).

I use it constantly, in the office and at home, carrying it back and
forth every day - hibernating it for the road. 
Had two other laptops before but they did not last longer than 2-3 years 
due to the heavy ware and tear. 

This one is still fully functional, thanks especially to the very robust 
hinge. I had to exchange only the keyboard recently as many of the keys 
were slowly giving up on me ;-).

Mine is still IBM branded and i don't know how the quality changed since 
the Lenovo takeover, but i guess the production is at the same
location and the look is pretty much unchanged.

imre


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broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

Hello there. Well I hope this is the correct list to post this. I got a dell 
studio 1555 with a dell wireless 1397 (broadcom 4312 rev 01) wificard. I am 
using the broadcom driver cause as far as I know there is no alternative.
I installed the driver as descirpted in debian wiki with module assistant and 
then modprobing the wl module on every boot. Everything was working fine until 
an upgrade a couple of days ago. The packages broadcom-sta-source andt  
broadcom-sta-common upgaded from version 5.10.92.9.3-1 to 5.10.92.9.3-3 
(actually the last digit is different which I thought would fix any supposed 
bugs existing -although I didn't have any). After the upgrade I used the 
module assistant to build the module wl again with the updated version of the 
driver. Well everything went just fine. The problem is that after the first 
reboot and then I couldn't see the eth1 network interface which is my 
wireless. As if the driver is just not working. I searched a little for a bug 
report and I didn't find anything. I currently have switched back to the 
previous driver version and everything is normal again. Any ideas why the 
updated driver doesn't work for me?

Thank you :)

John


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 19:56:25 John Kapnogiannis wrote:
> Hello there. Well I hope this is the correct list to post this. I got a
>  dell studio 1555 with a dell wireless 1397 (broadcom 4312 rev 01)
>  wificard. I am using the broadcom driver cause as far as I know there is
>  no alternative. I installed the driver as descirpted in debian wiki with
>  module assistant and then modprobing the wl module on every boot.
>  Everything was working fine until an upgrade a couple of days ago. The
>  packages broadcom-sta-source andt broadcom-sta-common upgaded from version
>  5.10.92.9.3-1 to 5.10.92.9.3-3 (actually the last digit is different which
>  I thought would fix any supposed bugs existing -although I didn't have
>  any). After the upgrade I used the module assistant to build the module wl
>  again with the updated version of the driver. Well everything went just
>  fine. The problem is that after the first reboot and then I couldn't see
>  the eth1 network interface which is my wireless. As if the driver is just
>  not working. I searched a little for a bug report and I didn't find
>  anything. I currently have switched back to the previous driver version
>  and everything is normal again. Any ideas why the updated driver doesn't
>  work for me?
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> John
> 


Hi,
As a first guess, your inface must be, now, wlan0. You can check that with 
ifconfig or iwconfig.
Thierry


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 21:04:55 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 January 2010 19:56:25 John Kapnogiannis wrote:
> > Hello there. Well I hope this is the correct list to post this. I got a
> >  dell studio 1555 with a dell wireless 1397 (broadcom 4312 rev 01)
> >  wificard. I am using the broadcom driver cause as far as I know there is
> >  no alternative. I installed the driver as descirpted in debian wiki with
> >  module assistant and then modprobing the wl module on every boot.
> >  Everything was working fine until an upgrade a couple of days ago. The
> >  packages broadcom-sta-source andt broadcom-sta-common upgaded from
> > version 5.10.92.9.3-1 to 5.10.92.9.3-3 (actually the last digit is
> > different which I thought would fix any supposed bugs existing -although
> > I didn't have any). After the upgrade I used the module assistant to
> > build the module wl again with the updated version of the driver. Well
> > everything went just fine. The problem is that after the first reboot and
> > then I couldn't see the eth1 network interface which is my wireless. As
> > if the driver is just not working. I searched a little for a bug report
> > and I didn't find anything. I currently have switched back to the
> > previous driver version and everything is normal again. Any ideas why the
> > updated driver doesn't work for me?
> >
> > Thank you :)
> >
> > John
> 
> Hi,
> As a first guess, your inface must be, now, wlan0. You can check that with
> ifconfig or iwconfig.
> Thierry
> 

Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless. Only lo 
and eth0 for the ethernet.

J


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[Thierry Chatelet]

> 
> Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless. Only
>  lo and eth0 for the ethernet.
> 
> J
> 

I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember, you 
have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
Thierry


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:53:47 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> > Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless. Only
> >  lo and eth0 for the ethernet.
> >
> > J
> 
> I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember, you
> have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
> Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
> Thierry
> 

I suppose I don't a firmware cause the card is currently working just fine with 
the previous version of the driver which I kept in a backup. I think I should 
email the maintainer and then file a bug or something. I just hoped someone had 
a clue about this cause I am out of ideas.

J


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[Mark]

>On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>
>I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember, you
>have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
>Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong

I second this.  I am supporting 3 friends' Dells with b43-fwcutter: Inspiron
5100, 8600, and Mini 10v.  Haven't messed with the Broadcom drivers/firmware
as b43-fwcutter works great.  Just my own experience, might be worth giving
it a try.  Your wifi card is supported by b43
http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#supported-b43.

Good luck,
Mark

Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 23:28:50 Mark wrote:
> >On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Thierry Chatelet
> > wrote:
> >
> >I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember, you
> >have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
> >Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
> 
> I second this.  I am supporting 3 friends' Dells with b43-fwcutter:
>  Inspiron 5100, 8600, and Mini 10v.  Haven't messed with the Broadcom
>  drivers/firmware as b43-fwcutter works great.  Just my own experience,
>  might be worth giving it a try.  Your wifi card is supported by b43
> http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#supported-b43. x#supported-b43>
> 
Very interesting. If I can use an open source driver even better. Thank you. I 
will report back. 

J


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Re: what laptop to buy

[Daniel Dalton]

Thanks, I'll give this one a look also. I hear very good things about
the thinkpads, which is excellent. 

Thanks for everyone's help.
Daniel.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 05:47:48PM +0100, Imre Vida wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00:18AM -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote:
> > Daniel Dalton wrote:
> > > Yes, thanks for sharing. 
> > > 
> > > I'm going to increase my budget by $800, and get a Lenovo thinkpad
> > > X200. Anyone got one of these, what do you think of it?
> > > 
> > > I found it on amazon for $1100, which I could probably get shipped out
> > > here to Australia by a third party, for under au$1300, in total
> > > costs. However, Amazon says I will void my manufacturer's warranty if I
> > > export it out of the US... Can anyone offer any advice or will I just
> > > have to pay Au$2,000 to buy one locally?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > Ditto to the T61/Lenovo suggestions. There is also very good
> > documentation on the entire ThinkPad series.
> > 
> > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
> 
> have been using a T60p for over 4 years by now and still very happy with it.
> Essentially all hardware components are supported by Linux (except for
> the modem).
> 
> I use it constantly, in the office and at home, carrying it back and
> forth every day - hibernating it for the road. 
> Had two other laptops before but they did not last longer than 2-3 years 
> due to the heavy ware and tear. 
> 
> This one is still fully functional, thanks especially to the very robust 
> hinge. I had to exchange only the keyboard recently as many of the keys 
> were slowly giving up on me ;-).
> 
> Mine is still IBM branded and i don't know how the quality changed since 
> the Lenovo takeover, but i guess the production is at the same
> location and the look is pretty much unchanged.
> 
> imre


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Re: what laptop to buy

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00:18AM -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote:
> Ditto to the T61/Lenovo suggestions. There is also very good
> documentation on the entire ThinkPad series.
> 
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
> 
> and a great list
> 
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hardware.thinkpad

I'll take a look - thank you.
Dan


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[Deryk Barker]

John Kapnogiannis wrote:

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:53:47 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
  

Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless. Only
 lo and eth0 for the ethernet.

J
  

I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember, you
have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
Thierry




I suppose I don't a firmware cause the card is currently working just fine with 
the previous version of the driver which I kept in a backup. I think I should 
email the maintainer and then file a bug or something. I just hoped someone had 
a clue about this cause I am out of ideas.
  
If you are upgrading from and earlier kernel then you should indeed 
already have the firmware.


One thing I ran into several times (although I think some distros have 
stopped doing this) was that each new kernel version came with its own 
/lib/firmware directory, so the firmware may simply be in the wrong 
location.


Check your logs: if the bcm43xx module has loaded but complains about 
missing firware, you might try pointing a find at /lib and looking for it.


good luck

deryk


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 00:33:34 Deryk Barker wrote:
> John Kapnogiannis wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:53:47 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >>> Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless.
> >>> Only lo and eth0 for the ethernet.
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>
> >> I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember,
> >> you have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
> >> Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
> >> Thierry
> >
> > I suppose I don't a firmware cause the card is currently working just
> > fine with the previous version of the driver which I kept in a backup. I
> > think I should email the maintainer and then file a bug or something. I
> > just hoped someone had a clue about this cause I am out of ideas.
> 
> If you are upgrading from and earlier kernel then you should indeed
> already have the firmware.
> 
> One thing I ran into several times (although I think some distros have
> stopped doing this) was that each new kernel version came with its own
> /lib/firmware directory, so the firmware may simply be in the wrong
> location.
> 
> Check your logs: if the bcm43xx module has loaded but complains about
> missing firware, you might try pointing a find at /lib and looking for it.
> 
> good luck
> 
> deryk
> 
Sorry for the misunderstanding. If you read my first post you will see that I 
am not using the bc43 driver but the proprietary driver by broadcom 
(wiki.debian.org/wl). I intend to give it a try with the bc43 but I only 
posted to this list cause an update of the broadcom-sta-source and broadcom-
sta-common packages to a newer version made the wifi interface disappear. I am 
currently using the older version so I am ok. I just wanted to report this 
somehow and get advice in case I did something wrong. I just built the module 
wl again with the updated drivers nothing more, so I think it's a bug

J


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[John Kapnogiannis]

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 00:33:34 Deryk Barker wrote:
> John Kapnogiannis wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:53:47 Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >>> Well I checked with both and there isn't any interface for wireless.
> >>> Only lo and eth0 for the ethernet.
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>
> >> I am not really good with broadcom wireless, but as far as I remember,
> >> you have to have a firmware to install, using bcm43xx-fwcutter.
> >> Hum... dont get mad at me if I am wrong
> >> Thierry
> >
> > I suppose I don't a firmware cause the card is currently working just
> > fine with the previous version of the driver which I kept in a backup. I
> > think I should email the maintainer and then file a bug or something. I
> > just hoped someone had a clue about this cause I am out of ideas.
> 
> If you are upgrading from and earlier kernel then you should indeed
> already have the firmware.
> 
> One thing I ran into several times (although I think some distros have
> stopped doing this) was that each new kernel version came with its own
> /lib/firmware directory, so the firmware may simply be in the wrong
> location.
> 
> Check your logs: if the bcm43xx module has loaded but complains about
> missing firware, you might try pointing a find at /lib and looking for it.
> 
> good luck
> 
> deryk
> 

Oh and I forgot. No I didn't upgrade from an earlier kernel. It's a fresh 
install with squeeze on my new laptop :) and I am using the official 2.6.30 
kernel version from testing.

J


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Re: broadcom-sta-source driver problem

[Deryk Barker]

John Kapnogiannis wrote:

.
Oh and I forgot. No I didn't upgrade from an earlier kernel. It's a fresh 
install with squeeze on my new laptop :) and I am using the official 2.6.30 
kernel version from testing.
  

My fault, should have read more carefully.

If it's a fresh install you certainly won't have the firmware - last 
time I installed debian on a b43-equipped laptop the module kept telling 
me to download it - even told me the URL.


deryk


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