Re: KDE 4.2 in unstable _NOT YET__
I rely on WLAssistant for my WiFi connection management. I understand that it becomes obsolete under KDE4. Is there a planned replacement or will I be forced to use Network Manager or some other scheme? - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE 4.2 in unstable _NOT YET__
* Bernard Gray [2009 Mar 16 17:43 -0500]: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I rely on WLAssistant for my WiFi connection management. I understand > > that it becomes obsolete under KDE4. Is there a planned replacement or > > will I be forced to use Network Manager or some other scheme? > > > > - Nate >> > > Hi Nate, > I've been using a combination of wpasupplicant roaming, and wpagui (qt > frontend) on debian/sidux > > wpasupplicant is nice because it is a daemon that *just works* in or > out of X, with preconfigured networks. > Networks can be configured in X via the wpagui frontend, or out of X > via /etc/network/interfaces + wpa-roam.conf text files (Obviously this > is a worst case scenario when you have lost X and have no familiar > network around) Thanks for the reply, Bernard. I used to use wpasupplicant and that is what finally drove me to wlassistant so I could choose among APs manually. I realize Debian relies on configuring the network stack without reliance on a GUI and I too use ifplugd for my wired Ethernet interface. I see the reply below mentions a Plasma widget for Network Manager that may be the same as the widget used by my Kubuntu 8.10 test installation. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE 4.2 in unstable _NOT YET__
* Fathi Boudra [2009 Mar 17 07:52 -0500]: > > I rely on WLAssistant for my WiFi connection management. I understand > > that it becomes obsolete under KDE4. Is there a planned replacement or > > will I be forced to use Network Manager or some other scheme? > > there's plasma-widget-networkmanagement package. > At the moment, it's in NEW queue: > http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.1~svn926306-1.html > > I use it and it works fine. Thanks for the tip, Fathi. I presume a lot of this will get moved into Unstable once KDE4 moves in. This is one of those "show stoppers" that will cause me to put KDE3 in "hold" status for a while. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE 4.2 in unstable _NOT YET__
* Bernard Gray [2009 Mar 18 19:01 -0500]: > > Thanks for the reply, Bernard. > > > > I used to use wpasupplicant and that is what finally drove me to > > wlassistant so I could choose among APs manually. I realize Debian > > relies on configuring the network stack without reliance on a GUI and I > > too use ifplugd for my wired Ethernet interface. > > wpagui provides the missing gui tool to provide this manual choosing > functionality. It has received some major work in the last 6 months or > so to make it better suited to this purpose (sys tray applet etc) > > Might be worth a revisit? Quite likely. Thanks. It has been a few years since I last used wpasupplicant. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
My experience upgrading to KDE4
Well, I took the plunge today upgrading to KDE4. I've tracked Sid for several years and never has it broken like today. :-D Installation of the mysqld package is hopelessly broken and hangs, only Ctl-C will break out of the install script. A number of packages complain about hal not being configured. Such is the "fun" of the new Free Desktop. I found kdm wouldn't start and the Debian User list recommended installing the desktop-base package which I did and now KDM starts, but I have no keyboard or mouse! I can't even get to a shell prompt. I guess the joke's on me. Fortunately, I have a boot menu option for a shell prompt so I can fix things as I receive advice. I guess the first order of business is fixing hal, but I don't see a bug that discusses a broken upgrade yet. Perhaps I need to remove it and reinstall it. Fortunately, this is my test laptop so I'm not experimenting on something that matters at the moment. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: My experience upgrading to KDE4
According to bug #523187, apparently the splashy package was preventing invoke-rc.d from being able to stop/start packages. Once I purged splashy, mysql-server-5.0, hal, and all the other recalcitrant packages installed. Now KDM balks at startup occasionally. If I can get it to a shell prompt I can use the `startx' command and once I exit KDE4, then KDM will start. Go figure. At least I'm now at a place where I can work again. Just from the first few minutes, the desktop response seems faster than Kubuntu 9.04. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: My experience upgrading to KDE4
* Sune Vuorela [2009 Apr 11 02:02 -0500]: > On 2009-04-11, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Well, I took the plunge today upgrading to KDE4. I've tracked Sid for > > several years and never has it broken like today. :-D > > Your breakage doesn't sound like being much KDE4 related, but general > "lots of things happens in debian unstable, sometimes stuff > break"-related. This just seems to be more radical than at most times in the past. I'll post my experiences in case someone else can benefit. I'm a master at taking the wrong road and then backtracking. :-) > You read about the splashy issue. Xorg vs hal also. After removing splashy Aptitude finished the upgrade without an error. Hal seems to be working fine and Xorg is mostly working fine except for what seems to be an occasional hang. > You either need desktop-base or you need to purge desktop-base. I installed it and KDM came up working. Now, it seems to be hit or miss, mostly miss, whether it will work on a system start. After the last system restart I got dumped to a shell prompt and running startx failed. It turned out that my almost ten year old ~/.xsession file was getting in the way by calling IceWM programs that were no longer on my system! I've been using XDM/KDM for many years now. Cruft is an interesting thing with interesting consequences. Phonon gave me no sound and it claimed my sound device was broken (or some such language) while Audacious played just fine so the hardware/ALSA stuff was working. I installed the Xine backend for Phonon and now KDE sounds are working just fine and I purged the Gstreamer backend. However, in Konsole all Bash beeps seem to be suppressed. Lastly, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to tell the panel to only show the windows in a given desktop and not all at once. I know it's doable as I configured it that way on my Kubuntu installation. Also, KDE4 is much faster on my Debian installation than on my Kubuntu installation and I think the reason is that on the Debian side compositing is disabled and something is preventing it from working. Meanwhile glxinfo says direct rendering is enabled. This is on an IBM T41 laptop with a Radeon Mobility M7 graphics chipset. I installed Kaboom and perhaps it migrated more settings than it seems, but most of my KDE3 customizations seemed to have been lost. Still the migration was probably as painless as could be expected. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ATI, KDE and the last Kernel
* Guan de dio [2009 Apr 22 13:35 -0500]: > Hi everybody, > > Today I upgrade my lapto form KDE 4.1 to KDE4.2.2. > The performance is better than KDE4.1, not only fixing bug this KDE is > more quickly in my laptop :) thanks for the big effort. > > I ony has a small issue. > >My laptop has a ATI card (X600 Radeon), after the ugrading (KDE + Kernel) > I lost the desktop effect. >If I download the frimware file that it is necesary with the new kernel > (R300_cp.bin). If I perform glxgear in a konsole I can watch the gears, but > the glxinfo shows that the render is OFF. I found a similar issue, see: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon%3Ar6xx_r7xx_branch and http://bugs.debian.org/523385 I skipped the step of changing to the experimental driver and found that the driver works very well but crashes the kernel (2.6.29 Debian) when X is exited. The latest Xorg Radeon drivers depend on kernel driver support from the forthcoming 2.6.30 kernel. Apparently the Ubuntu folks have backported the kernel drivers to their 2.6.28 kernel and while desktop effects work in Jaunty, they are much slower on my machine than the rebuilt drivers are with Debian 2.6.29 on my machine. My xorg.cong is very brief having been generated by `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and I am running a Thinkpad T41 with a Radeon Mobility M7W chipset. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Configuration tips requested
As I've used KDE4 on Debian, I've found some configuration features that were in 3.5.x that I can't seem to find in 4.2.2. Among those are: * Bash shell beep in Konsole. I've used Bash for so many years that the beep is a second nature sort of feedback and not having it is slowing me down during operations such as tab completion and Aptitude searching. * No Web search bar in Konqueror to the right of the address bar. * The middle mouse button doesn't open a link in a new tab in Konqueror. * Tapping the key seems to do nothing whereas it used to call Ksnapshot. Ksnapshot is installed and works. Otherwise I'm getting along well with KDE4, although I don't make too many demands on it. I do understand that KDE4 is a work in progress. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Configuration tips requested
* emikaadeo [2009 Apr 28 01:36 -0500]: > Joseph Rawson wrote: > > >> * No Web search bar in Konqueror to the right of the address bar. > >> > > I think that this functionality has been split to a separate package, but > > I can't remember the name of it. > > It's konq-plugins Thanks! I should have checked Aptitude for recommended packages. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Configuration tips requested
* marc [2009 Apr 28 02:04 -0500]: > Nate Bargmann said: > > > As I've used KDE4 on Debian, I've found some configuration features that > > were in 3.5.x that I can't seem to find in 4.2.2. Among those are: > > > > * Bash shell beep in Konsole. I've used Bash for so many years that the > > beep is a second nature sort of feedback and not having it is slowing me > > down during operations such as tab completion and Aptitude searching. > > Check out Settings/Configure notifications. I've no idea what the events > are that it is monitoring, though, those descriptions are rubbish. Fooling with those settings did not get me the console beep I wanted. :-( > > * No Web search bar in Konqueror to the right of the address bar. > > Settings/Extensions/Search bar That appeared once I installed the konq-plugins package. > > * The middle mouse button doesn't open a link in a new tab in Konqueror. > > Settings/Configure Konq/Web browsing/Middle click opens... It was checked. Unchecking and rechecking makes no difference. The middle button appears dead to Konqueror. > > * Tapping the key seems to do nothing whereas it used to > > call Ksnapshot. Ksnapshot is installed and works. > > Works here, but see System settings/Input actions and add an entry for: > shortcut: Print > command url: ksnapshot Input Actions? Once in there it says "Configure Hotkey settings" and Konqueror Gestures and kMenuEdit are the only options, both enabled. When I try to add kSnapShot I get a popup that says, "The shortcut 'Print' conflicts with the following key combinations: Shortcut 'Print' in Application khotkeys for action PrintScreen" So I drill down to the khotkeys assignment and select PrintScreen and all it lets me do is to select the key combination to activate it but not the command that is called. So far I'm batting .250 :-D - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Configuration tips requested
* mariusz [2009 Apr 28 08:35 -0500]: > > > > * The middle mouse button doesn't open a link in a new tab in Konqueror. > > You have to disable Konqueror Gestures in systemsettings. It should help. Ahhh. That strikes a second one off my list. Disabling gestures was hardly intiutive. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE 4 simply broken
While I've been hit with some annoying bugs and a couple of lack of features like no system beep passed through Konsole, I've not seen the crashes. Perhaps that has more to do with your video driver and kernel. Other than KDM refusing to start since upgrading to KDE4, after installing kernel 2.6.29-2 the video stuff was much improved (I'm using the Radeon driver). At the risk of starting a flame war, it seems as though some of GNOME's philosphy has rubbed off onto the KDE devs. They now seem to worry about "confusing" and too many options and seem intent on following GNOME's path toward dumbing down the interface. If both major desktops head off in that direction it may be time to look for a third option. On my main workstation I still run KDE 3.5.10 and even though it is Sid, it hasn't been updated for several months and it's running just fine. I'm keeping Sid current on a T41 laptop and will only update the desktop once I feel KDE4 is ready for my prime time. In fact, I still have OOo Calc 2.3 installed on this machine as some later version screwed up the sorting rather badly. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE 4 simply broken
* Marcus Better [2009 May 15 04:11 -0500]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > While I've been hit with some annoying bugs and a couple of lack of > > features like no system beep passed through Konsole, I've not seen the > > crashes. > > Wow, how did you do that? I get crashes several times a day from all over > the place. I don't know. I just use KDE as I always have. That said, I primarily browse with Iceweasel and that is about all I use this kaptop for except reading usenet with Pan. Once in a great while I'll fire up Konqueror but I do keep a Konsole open with three tabs. I even launch Xscreensaver instead of using the KDE one. > > Perhaps that has more to do with your video driver and > > kernel. > > I doubt it. I've filed a lot of crashes upstream and they are real. On the > bright side, they are getting fixed quite rapidly so I'm optmistic. Other than Kwin, I'm probably not actually touching KDE all that much. The reason I started using it full time was its integration with hotplug devices such as insertion of a USB pen which wasn't handled at all by IceWM at the time. One thing I did was move my ~/.kde directory out of the way after it seemed Kaboom did nothing useful for me and reset my few customizations. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
* Lancelot du Lac [2009 May 21 14:05 -0500]: > On the other hand I like plasma, but it really can't make up for the > crippling of konqueror and konsole. I hear ya. I've made some noise on a bug report about the lack of the PC style beep in Konsole. One response was on the order of adding an option for it would confuse users. I hope the goal of KDE is not to emulate GNOME so closely that features are being dropped. The beep may come back as it appears that the enable system notifications option that enables the beep is broken in 4.2.2 but a fix has been applied if I read things right. Perhaps this will be corrected in 4.2.4. While I like aspects of KDE4 I plan to keep 3.5 on my main desktop for some time. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Searchbar in Konqueror
After a brief search I found that I needed to install the konq-plugins package for the searchbar extension which I did. When I go to Settings|Configure Extensions the Search Bar plugin is shown as available and enabled. When I go to Configure Toolbars, however, Search Bar is not one of the available options either as a seperate tool bar or as an option for an existing toolbar (I'd like to place it to the right of the address bar as it used to be). What am I missing? - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Searchbar in Konqueror
On an off-chance I removed the Location bar from the address bar, but the search bar didn't show. Sadly, the search bar is enabled in Konqueror in Kubuntu out of the box. Somehow this should be possible on Debian as well. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Searchbar in Konqueror
* George Kiagiadakis [2009 Oct 18 02:35 -0500]: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > On an off-chance I removed the Location bar from the address bar, but the > > search bar didn't show. Sadly, the search bar is enabled in Konqueror > > in Kubuntu out of the box. Somehow this should be possible on Debian > > as well. > > Works fine for me here. The search bar is part of the location bar, so > make sure you have that (don't remove it). In all computers I have > tried, just installing konq-plugins makes this bar show without having > to do something else. I can't think of what could be wrong... Location Bar is there (how elese could I browse the web besides bookmarks?). This is a system that was migrated using Kaboom and was upgraded last week. I wonder if there could be a bug due to the migrated config files? - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Searchbar in Konqueror
* jedd [2009 Oct 18 07:14 -0500]: > On Saturday 17 October 2009 14:21:19 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > After a brief search I found that I needed to install the konq-plugins > > package for the searchbar extension which I did. When I go to > > Settings|Configure Extensions the Search Bar plugin is shown as > > available and enabled. > > I'm guessing you've already tried to disable it, save, quit, > come back, and re-enable it? I had not but on your suggestion I gave that a try and it still didn't appear. > The function works fine here - FWIW - I've just enabled it again, > immediately pops up on an Apply - and then disabled it. > > It's actually one of the first things I get rid of in any browser, > but particularly konqueror where you have the far more powerful > gg: shortcut. Search bars just take up space that I can't spare, > and limit me to one engine (compare my frequent usage of gg:, > ud:, wp:, and so on). I'm afraid that as I'd start using those I'd find that they won't work in Iceweasel/Firefox or IE7 at work. Sigh... > I'd suggest relocating your konquerorrc - while you're not logged > into KDE of course - and seeing if the default instance you get on > the next login plays nicer. Just tried that. No change. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Searchbar in Konqueror
Apparently, I'm not the only soul seeing this as: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550330 describes the same behavior I'm seeing. So far no answer on a fix. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Searchbar in Konqueror
* Xavier Vello [2009 Oct 18 12:35 -0500]: > Le dimanche 18 octobre 2009 17:51:55, Nate Bargmann a écrit : > > Apparently, I'm not the only soul seeing this as: > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550330 > > > > describes the same behavior I'm seeing. So far no answer on a fix. > > Hello > > I'm trying to reproduce the bug, but it works here with konqueror 4.3.2 and > konq-plugins 4.3.0. Can you please provide the output of "dpkg -l | grep konq" Certainly! Here it is: $ dpkg -l | grep konq ii konq-plugins 4:4.3.0-1 plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/doc browser ii konq-plugins-l10n4:4.3.0-1 plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/doc browser (localisatio ii konqueror4:4.3.2-1 KDE 4's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer ii konqueror-nsplugins 4:4.3.2-1 Netscape plugin support for Konqueror ii konquest 4:4.3.2-1 simple turn-based strategy game for KDE ii libkonq5 4:4.3.2-1 core libraries for Konqueror ii libkonq5-templates 4:4.3.2-1 data files for the Konqueror libraries ii libkonqsidebarplugin44:4.3.2-1 Konqueror sidebar plugin library ii mozilla-acroread 9.2-0.1 Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for mozilla / konqueror Note that the mozilla-acroread package is from the www.debian-multimedia.org repository. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is KDE sound daemon causing audio problems?
* Xavier Vello [2009 Nov 05 09:58 -0600]: > > I see no specific mention of ALSA in the system settings menu. I > > noticed that my prefered sound card wasn't at the top of the output and > > input lists so I changed that. In the Backend tab I only have Xine and > > Aptitude shows only gstreamer as an option. Where else might I be able > > to ensure ALSA and not OSS is the prefered audio device? > > The tooltip on the devices explains what sound system it uses : > http://alioth.debian.org/~wdgt-guest/pub/phonon_alsa.png My tooltips match yours exactly. > In fact, phonon uses xine for it's audio/video codecs. The output is > controlled by phonon itself (with the "device preferences" tab). Is there a consequence to not having Pulse audio nor Jack installed, which I don't? Thanks! - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE Support in Debian
* Scott [2009 Nov 10 07:31 -0600]: > My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I > understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE > well supported? It seems as well supported as any other package. While there is a need for limited Debian support, most of the support (documentation, forums, etc.) come from upstream KDE resources. Note also that if you install Debian Stable you will be installing KDE 3.5.9 which the upstream KDE project considers deprecated. Fortunately it is very stable. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE Support in Debian
* Jan De Luyck [2009 Nov 10 09:28 -0600]: > I'm using KDE4 on my sid (unstable) workstation and laptop without any KDE- > related problems. This may be KDE or Debian related, but I know that on this T41 laptop I cannot run full desktop effects with the latest Sid. I use the Radeon Xorg driver and when I select desktop effects all of the Plasma related stuff on the screen is corrupted. Meanwhile, I have Kubuntu 9.10 installed on another partition on this laptop and it absolutely rocks with full desktop effects enabled--same hardware and Xorg driver. I'm not sure if the reason is simply the 2.6.31 kernel in Kubuntu versus the 2.6.30 kernel in Sid or if the Kubuntu kernel has been compiled with desktop support and Debian's has not. Some time ago after discussion on this list I filed a Debian bug wishlist report asking for a Debian kernel with the desktop support enabled. It was closed as "will not fix" so if that is the difference, then that puts Debian at a disadvantage on the desktop. Whatever the reason while I can live without desktop effects, which even when they worked in Sid were terribly slow, until something comes along that requires its availability. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE Support in Debian
* Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [2009 Nov 10 15:41 -0600]: > On Tuesday 10 November 2009 15:27:35 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * Jan De Luyck > > [2009 Nov 10 09:28 -0600]: > > > I'm using KDE4 on my sid (unstable) workstation and laptop without any > > > KDE- related problems. > > > > This may be KDE or Debian related, but I know that on this T41 laptop I > > cannot run full desktop effects with the latest Sid. I use the Radeon > > Xorg driver and when I select desktop effects all of the Plasma related > > stuff on the screen is corrupted. Meanwhile, I have Kubuntu 9.10 > > installed on another partition on this laptop and it absolutely rocks > > with full desktop effects enabled--same hardware and Xorg driver. > > Did you install the proper firmware package? The firmware is arguably non- > free, so it doesn't appear in Debian kernels. It may appear in Ubuntu > kernels > because they take a different stance on such firmware. I think so as I have the firmware-linux package installed which pulled in firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree. Last I checked (it was some time back) I think the Kubuntu installation has similar packages installed. > > I'm not sure if the reason is simply the 2.6.31 kernel in Kubuntu > > versus the 2.6.30 kernel in Sid or if the Kubuntu kernel has been > > compiled with desktop support and Debian's has not. Some time ago > > after discussion on this list I filed a Debian bug wishlist report > > asking for a Debian kernel with the desktop support enabled. It was > > closed as "will not fix". > > Yes, pending a formal vote, firmware without source code will not be added > back to the Debian kernel, and such firmware will be removed as bugs are > filed > against it. Apples and oranges. I did not ask for firmware, in fact this was before certain firmware was placed into non-free as I recall. Searching I came up with: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375845 as the report. The actual closing report was that activating PREEMPT support triggered a lot of bugs but the possibility was left open of eventually enabling PREEMPT support. There are a couple of lines with PREEMPT in them that differ between the Sid kernel and the Kubuntu kernel here most that Debian sets CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y and Kubuntu sets CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y (they are consectutive lines in the config files). > I agree with Debian's stance on the firmware issue. Others may not, even if > they are similarly concerned with software freedoms in general. So far it's not bothersome to me. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Manually add Wine desktop files to K menu?
Last year when I updated to KDE4 my Wine menu items disappeared. One app exists and it was reinstalled a few months ago. I have several Wine application .desktop files in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/ but it seems as though KDE doesn't find them. Also, the various .desktop files exist in their own directories under ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/ and KDE doesn't find those either. Some of these programs were installed after KDE4 was installed but still don't show in KDE's Wine submenu. Any and all assistance is welcome. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Manually add Wine desktop files to K menu?
* Kevin Krammer [2010 Jan 15 05:38 -0600]: > On Friday, 2010-01-15, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Last year when I updated to KDE4 my Wine menu items disappeared. One > > app exists and it was reinstalled a few months ago. I have several > > Wine application .desktop files in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/ > > but it seems as though KDE doesn't find them. > > Hmm. there should only be .menu files in there. You are correct, Kevin. They are .menu files. My mistake. > > Also, the various .desktop files exist in their own directories under > > ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/ and KDE doesn't find those > > either. Some of these programs were installed after KDE4 was installed > > but still don't show in KDE's Wine submenu. > > Can you check if the .menu files in the first directory do reference these > .desktop files? As near as I can tell, they do. For example, I installed "DisplaySet" with Wine on both my laptop (which is having the trouble) and my desktop. On the laptop no menu entry ever appeared while on the desktop a DisplaySet menu appears under the Programs folder with two entries, DisplaySet and DisplaySet Help. I've confirmed that identical files were installed on each machine with one picking them up and the other not. Not being clear on which file to look for that controls all of this isn't helping. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Manually add Wine desktop files to K menu?
* Kevin Krammer [2010 Jan 15 07:20 -0600]: > On Friday, 2010-01-15, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > For example, I installed "DisplaySet" with Wine on both my laptop (which > > is having the trouble) and my desktop. On the laptop no menu entry > > ever appeared while on the desktop a DisplaySet menu appears under the > > Programs folder with two entries, DisplaySet and DisplaySet Help. > > > > I've confirmed that identical files were installed on each machine with > > one picking them up and the other not. Not being clear on which file > > to look for that controls all of this isn't helping. > > This is a very useful hint though. > My guess is that the binary cache usd by the KDE menu to speed up loading of > the menu entries has not been updated correctly. > > Try running kbuildsycoca4, probably with --noincremental and see if this > helps. No change. I tried running inside a Konsole and logging out of KDE and ran it from a virtual terminal with X killed. One thing I noticed is that the laptop had a ~/.menu directory that was dated sometime in 2006. I moved it out of the way as the desktop machine didn't have that directory. That made no difference either. However, that directory showed only the one installed wine app that appears in the KDE menu. Strange. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Manually add Wine desktop files to K menu?
Following a suggestion of a thread about amarok not appearing in the menu for another user, I tried the following: $ kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental --menutest | grep wine kbuildsycoca4 running... "KConfigIni: In file /usr/share/applications/wine-browsedrive.desktop, line 2: " "Invalid escape sequence "\ "." "KConfigIni: In file /usr/share/applications/wine-browsedrive.desktop, line 8: " "Invalid escape sequence "\ "." Wine/Programs/Accessories/ wine-notepad.desktop /usr/share/applications/wine-notepad.desktop Wine/Programs/EZNEC/wine-Programs-EZNEC-EZNEC Demo v. 5.0.desktop /home/nate/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/EZNEC/EZNEC Demo v. 5.0.desktop Wine/Programs/Morse Runner/ wine-Programs-Morse Runner-Morse Runner.desktop /home/nate/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/Morse Runner/Morse Runner.desktop Wine/Programs/DisplaySet/ wine-Programs-DisplaySet-DisplaySet Help.desktop /home/nate/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/DisplaySet/DisplaySet Help.desktop Wine/Programs/DisplaySet/ wine-Programs-DisplaySet-DisplaySet.desktop /home/nate/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/DisplaySet/DisplaySet.desktop Wine/Programs/Ideal Industries/ wine-Programs-Ideal Industries-LANTEK Reporter.desktop /home/nate/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/Ideal Industries/LANTEK Reporter.desktop Of these, only the Morse Runner app appears in my menu. I don't know if this is of any help or not. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Manually add Wine desktop files to K menu?
* Kevin Krammer [2010 Jan 15 07:20 -0600]: > Try running kbuildsycoca4, probably with --noincremental and see if this > helps. In another message I included the output of kbuildsycoca4. On a whim, I decided to move ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu out of the way and then waited a bit for the menu to reload. Whaddaya know, I am seeing the Wine files kbuildsycoca4 reported that it found. It remains to be seen if editing the menu with the menu editor will break this again. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE menu wierdness
For some time I've been seeing an effect where clicking on the menu icon in the panel will show the menu briefly. The only way to keep it visible is to click and hold down the mouse button while navigating the menu. I sure do miss the reliability of the menu in the 3.5 series. - Nate > -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100504113042.gq28...@n0nb.us
Re: KDE 4.4.3 in unstable
* On 2010 06 May 02:13 -0500, Diederik de Haas wrote: > I don't get what you're trying to accomplish. > > On 2010-05-05 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > In 4.4, kmail depends on mysql-server in order to send mail. (kmail -> > > Akonadi -> mysql-server). > > So you don't like the dependency to Akonadi? Too bad. Regardless the rationale, this seems to be an attitude that has become very pervasive among KDE developers with the advent of KDE4 and it has me looking seriously at the alternatives. I no longer recommend KDE to other users due to the "my way or the highway" attitude I've encountered since running KDE 4.2 over a year ago and encountering various issues. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506112823.gs28...@n0nb.us
Re: Kde 3.5 ...
* On 2010 06 May 01:35 -0500, Jorge Gonçalves wrote: > Hello! > > First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best. > > I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using > the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny. Others have probably pointed this out, Lenny has 3.5, the upcoming Squeeze will not. > Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could > remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4. That ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. KDE 3.5 is considered dead. Why some motivated person has not forked it yet has escaped me. If I had the time, resources, and ability, it would be worthwhile to me to see the KDE 3.5 codebase live on. If nothing else, the Lenny source tarballs would be a starting point for a new branch. I'd expect some pushback from the KDE devs so it's likely the fork could not call itself KDE. Some will say that KDE 3.5 can go no further which was also said of XMMS which spawned Beep Media Player which spawned Audacious which is alive and well, last I checked. As I see it, KDE4 has been given 2+ years to match KDE 3.5 and they've been unable to do so thus the time has come for someone to seriously consider reviving the KDE 3.5 codebase. > I really feel sorry that KDE 3 series is no more being developed, and > when the day cames that I no longer will be able to use KDE 3, I will > switch to Apple or even Windows, but NEVER to kde4 or Gnome! > (and I feel many users out there think like me!!!) Well, don't go throwing the baby out with the bathwater as we say over here! I felt the same way but even though it is quirky, XFCE works fairly well as does GNOME in Linux Mint 8. Still, either pales in comparison to the KDE 3.5 as does KDE4 but at the end of the day, the DE is really not why I use a Linux distribution in the first place. So jumping to a proprietary OS is not an option. - Nate >> > Thank you, keep the good work, Debian is one of the best. Agreed. No matter the distro I choose, they are all Debian based. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506120356.gt28...@n0nb.us
Re: KDE 4.4.3 in unstable
* On 2010 06 May 07:27 -0500, Frederik Schwarzer wrote: > [Nate Bargmann - Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 13:28:23] > > * On 2010 06 May 02:13 -0500, Diederik de Haas wrote: > > > I don't get what you're trying to accomplish. > > > > > > On 2010-05-05 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > > In 4.4, kmail depends on mysql-server in order to send mail. (kmail -> > > > > Akonadi -> mysql-server). > > > > > > So you don't like the dependency to Akonadi? Too bad. > > > > Regardless the rationale, this seems to be an attitude that has become > > very pervasive among KDE developers with the advent of KDE4 and it has > > me looking seriously at the alternatives. I no longer recommend KDE to > > other users due to the "my way or the highway" attitude I've encountered > > since running KDE 4.2 over a year ago and encountering various issues. > > I certainly understand both sides here. The hardest break for KDE 4 was/is > probably the social provocation it induced. > For over a year, the developers that were working hard on getting things > fixed did hear a lot of "you are stupid", "you do not listen to users" > and "give me kicker back" comments. It's not just the developers to blame > if they do not have the patience to answer every "akonady sucks" comment > with proper reasoning. During that time, I gave the devs the benefit of the doubt understanding the new directions they were taking and buying the hype that things would be improved. After a a year of use of KDE4, I disagree that much is improved for *me*. I'm fine with the devs doing whatever they want with the codebase--it's theirs after all--but when I as a simple user feel left behind at the station then I must consider the alternatives. It's not just the multitude of server processes that KDE4 seems to insist on running, but the lost functionality. To wit, I participated in an open bug on Konsole where the KDE4 version no longer generates the PC speaker style beep. I understand that to many the beep is annoying but I've heard it for so long that I now rely on it for efficient use of the terminal. The dev's reply was essentially, "Too bad." Still, I'm not alone in regretting this small loss of functionality. After all, the code for the beep had to actively been removed in the newer versions of Konsole but as a Konsole user, I was never asked in any way how this decision would affect me. "Too bad." Along the same lines, I cannot be convinced that Device Notifier is a suitable replacement for the similar functionality in KDE 3.5. Other tasks that I found easy in 3.5 are now cumbersome at best *for me* in KDE4. Now that my system is poised to update to KDE 4.4, I think this is where I'll get off the train and let KDE go where it wants and I shall go elsewhere. Thanks for the fish. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506130552.ga18...@n0nb.us
Re: Kde 3.5 ...
* On 2010 06 May 08:03 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could > >> remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4. > > > > That ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. ??KDE 3.5 is considered > > dead. ??Why some motivated person has not forked it yet has escaped me. > > > > Not exactly forked, but maintained: > http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/ I saw that later in the thread. It looks interesting. Thanks. > > ??Still, either pales in > > comparison to the KDE 3.5 as does KDE4 > > Please, let me know what KDE 4 is missing for you. KDE 4.4 has only a > handful of regressions from KDE 3.5.10, and they are not dealbreakers. > Some of those are addressed in KDE 4.5. I'm tired of typing this time and again: No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad." Device Notifier is a poor design and not easily changed to simply allow mounting so removable medium rather than starting Dolphin each time. No right click on the desktop to bring up the menu. Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE 3.5. These are small things to be sure and likely of little interest to anyone else. To me they are the little things that make 3.5 a pleasure to use and 4.x an impediment to my produtivity. > The "KDE 4 sux" time has passed. If you still have problems with KDE > 4, then please let me know what they are so that they can be fixed. The time for "I tried it for 15 minutes and KDE4 sux" comments has long passed, yes. I've given it a fair shake, I feel, I've tried asking politely for the things I liked about 3.5 to restored in 4.x only to be brushed aside by KDE devs. So *for me* KDE4 is not my vision of an ideal desktop environment. YMMV and I wish the KDE4 team and its users all the best. I may check in again some day and see how things are going. This is Free Software after all where one may come and go as one pleases. If nothing else, KDE4 has given me the benefit of giving the other DEs a fair evaluation, something I'd not done when I was happy with KDE 3.4 and 3.5. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506132209.gb18...@n0nb.us
Re: Kde 3.5 ...
* On 2010 06 May 09:45 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote: > El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann escribi?: > > > > > I'm tired of typing this time and again: > > > > No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad." > > > > Konsole -> settings -> notifications -> bell in current session -> run "beep" > > (aptitude install beep) > > Is this what you want? I have been doing that as a work-around which is not ideal as it is much slower than the PC speaker beep, especially for tab completion. It seems to take some time to load between successive tab key presses. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506210142.ga27...@n0nb.us
Re: KDE 4.4.3 in unstable
* On 2010 06 May 08:33 -0500, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > Now that my system is poised to update to KDE 4.4, I think this > > is where I'll get off the train and let KDE go where it wants and I > > shall go elsewhere. > > > > Thanks for the fish. > > > > - Nate >> > > Free software is all about freedom: > > - developers are free to assign their time to whatever they see fit > - other developers are free to fork code and use a given codebase > - users are free to use the code > - … or not. Please don't pander. I am well aware of the above as I also develop a bit of Free Software that is in Debian. > You are free to choose whatever software fits you best. Your problem seems > that Debian won't ship KDE 3.5 because nobody (so far) is interesting in > doing the work. No ranting will change that (rather the opposite even). "Problem"? Sorry, no problem with Debian here from me. How you have inferred such is interesting as I've made no comment regarding the Debian KDE package team and their decisions (noting well that the team has almost no choice but to package what upstream makes available as current code). I'm making comments about one version of KDE versus another which is the same regardless of the distribution. > I see two paths you can take : > > * change DE and stop ranting Sorry, bub, but you have me confused with someone else. I am not engaging in a rant of any sort but have merely stated my observations from using various versions of KDE and how it works or doesn't *for me* (I've noted that several times in this thread, in fact). The fact that you obviously dislike reading my opinion doesn't mean I have to listen to you telling me to shut up about it. > * contribute and change the situation As a small time dev myself I can tell from that statement that you are not one as that is the fastest way to discourage contribution from the users of your software. Any dev that does believe that is on the fast track to irrelevancy, > That's just IMHO. Funny, my comments have been strictly about the software. Your comments have been strictly about *me*. Interesting... - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506213500.gu28...@n0nb.us
Re: Kde 3.5 ...
* On 2010 06 May 16:27 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote: > El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 18:01:42 Nate Bargmann escribió: > > * On 2010 06 May 09:45 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote: > > > El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann escribi?: > > > > I'm tired of typing this time and again: > > > > > > > > No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad." > > > > > > Konsole -> settings -> notifications -> bell in current session -> run > > > "beep" > > > > > > (aptitude install beep) > > > > > > Is this what you want? > > > > I have been doing that as a work-around which is not ideal as it is much > > slower than the PC speaker beep, especially for tab completion. It > > seems to take some time to load between successive tab key presses. > > > > - Nate >> > > If beep doesn't beep in your PC speaker, maybe the problem is your system > configuration. It beeps. It's just much slower than it was in Konsole of 3.5 or even at the Linux console which makes it less than ideal. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100506213829.gv28...@n0nb.us
Re: kde SC 4.4
I am avaluating KDE 4.4 as I updated this main desktop machine last night. So far, so good. As I was getting some weird behavior for the past several weeks so I moved ~/.kde out of the way after the upgrade and before starting KDE 4.4. So far, so good. I am still annoyed by the lack of a native Konsole beep and Device Notifier, while much improved, still lacks a way to simply mount removable media without having to run Dolphin (I mostly use Midnight Commander and I use a DE to ease working with removable media). I also think that setting a different wallpaper for each desktop could be more intuitive than having to enable desktop activities in the Settings Manager, then zoom out with the cashew, then set the wallpaper via right-click menu from each desktop, and find out it's a craps shoot which desktop has which wallpaper. But those are nits I've noticed so far and are fixable. Dotan, if you'd like more input from me, please ask. Otherwise, 4.4 is working well for me as far as I tried various things over the course of a couple of hours so I think I'll stick around. ;-) - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100507113803.ga2...@n0nb.us
Re: kde SC 4.4
* On 2010 07 May 07:17 -0500, cobaco wrote: > On Friday 07 May 2010, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Device Notifier, while much improved, still lacks a way to simply mount > > removable media without having to run Dolphin > > click device notifier plasmoid, ups pops the list with devices present, > mouseover device you want to mount, click the icon on the right to mount the > device? Well, I'll be. I missed that last night (it was late, I was tired, heh). > Am I misunderstanding what you're asking for? Because that feature seems to > be working just fine here, used it to update the map on the mini-sd card > from my gps just last week That is exactly was I've been looking for! Thank you so much, Cobaco. Okay, that's one less annoyance. Next! - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100507174528.gb2...@n0nb.us
KDE unable to play complete K3B .wav files
Here is an oddity I've noticed for a while. When K3B finishes buring a CD it plays a sound file, k3b_success1.wav, which is a trumpet of several seconds. Lately I've only heard the first note or two. After a bit of checking here is what I've found: In System Settings configure notification (also from the same menu in configure K3B) only the first note is played. In Dolphin clicking on k3b_success1.wav launches gnome-mplayer and the entire file is played. Also in Dolphin with k3b_success1.wav highlighted clicking the play button in the far right hand pane plays the first three notes. In Audacity, k3b_success1.wav plays in its entirety. Looking at the waveform shows no reason to why it should be truncated by KDE. As an experiment I converted the three .wav files included with the k3b-data~all.deb package to .ogg format (which match the KDE files included in /usr/share/shounds) and they play fine. I am running an up to date Sid installation with K3B 1.91.0-rc2-1 and KDE 4.4. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100508133341.ga7...@n0nb.us
Re: KDE unable to play complete K3B .wav files
* On 2010 08 May 09:10 -0500, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On 2010-05-08 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > In System Settings configure notification (also from the same menu in > > configure K3B) only the first note is played. > > Tried it from K3b and I can confirm your findings > > > In Dolphin clicking on k3b_success1.wav launches gnome-mplayer and the > > entire file is played. > > Same here, although I've played it with both Amarok as smplayer > > > Also in Dolphin with k3b_success1.wav highlighted clicking the play > > button in the far right hand pane plays the first three notes. > > Same here. > > > Here is an oddity I've noticed > > It sure is odd. Thanks for the confirmation, Diederik. I wonder which package to file a bug report against? The k3b package may in fact be easiest to request that the sound files be packaged in .ogg format, but that only masks that fact that something in the KDE sound stack is having an issue with .wav files. My system is configured to use the Phonon Xine Backend in Sound and Video Configuration. Could that be the culprit and how can we test? - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100509023401.gb7...@n0nb.us
Re: What needs to improve in KDE 4?
Dotan, I think you may have already responded to these in another thread but after upgrading to 4.4 a few days ago and with a "clean" slate (by moving .kde and some other 'dot' directories out of the way) I'm down to one daily annoyance as you've already addressed in the BTS--Konsole beep. The other involves the very clumsy way by which separate wall paper may be placed on each desktop which currently involves activating "Separate Desktop activities", then zooming out via the cashew, selecting the wall paper for each desktop, and then zooming back in which is a craps shoot as to which desktop will be where. There was a reply to that message about an intent to redo that particular functionality for perhaps 4.6 or so. It's not a show stopper but it's far from intuitive. On the flip side, I do like each desktop having its own activity as I can have different folder views or other widgets on a given desktop based on how I use it. for *my use* I have found KDE 4.4 quite pleasant over the past few days, perhaps aided by moving the old config directories out of the way. Device Notifier is now useful for me due to the tip provided by another list member in that thread. Thanks! - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100510163320.ga31...@n0nb.us
Re: What needs to improve in KDE 4?
* On 2010 10 May 11:50 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I > find that very disturbing and unstable. For the record, I had a clean ~/.kde for 4.2 when it hit Sid about a year ago and upgraded the offered KDE packages through 4.3.4, IIRC, and then started with a clean ~/.kde for Sid's new 4.4.3. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100510170348.gg24...@n0nb.us
Re: What needs to improve in KDE 4?
* On 2010 11 May 02:19 -0500, Valentin Pavlyuchenko wrote: > 2010/5/11 godo : > > Few thing's that I really ned or miss me from KDE 3: > > > > KDE dragon pic in logout window :-) > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Kdelogout.png > > > > Yeah, > Of course it's not a bug, but please return Konqi in logout window! :D For that matter, return Konqui to a lot of places! Seems he's been sent out to dragon pasture in KDE4. :-( - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010050756.gi24...@n0nb.us
Re: memory usage
* On 2010 11 May 14:44 -0500, Marcus Better wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > with such large applications. Have you already tried to set > > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to zero? > > After some initial testing, I think it did the trick! Amazing, thanks a lot! > > The default swappiness setting (60) seems to be a horrible choice for > desktops. Debian is not a desktop oriented distribution. This is evidenced by not having an alternate kernel in the archive with a desktop configuration. Other distributions do seem to have some sort of desktop performance advantage, it seems to me at least. Having a desktop enabled kernel is left as an exercise for the local admin. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100511221033.gj24...@n0nb.us
Re: What needs to improve in KDE 4?
* On 2010 11 May 15:50 -0500, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:22:35PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Is it guaranteed that KDE doesn't store anything outside of ~/.kde so > > > that a user doesn't risk things getting desynched if one exchanges one > > > ~/.kde with a different one? > > > > No, Akonadi stores some stuff in ~/.config/ > > So one is better off by using a completely new accout (and ditching it > afterwards). That will prove rather quickly if the trouble is local or system wide. My regret by moving ~/.local out of the way is that all the Wine menu items disappeared. It would be nice if the menu editor allowed the importing of the individual .desktop files. I see that moving them back into ~/.local/share/Applications caused them all to pop into the Lost and Found section which is better than nothing. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100511222757.gk24...@n0nb.us
Removable media icon(s) on desktop?
Hi All. I transitioned to KDE 3.4.2 yesterday evening (I just couldn't wait anymore) on my Sid partition--so far very good! Based on my limited experience with KNOPPIX 3.9, I know that KDE can dynamically add an icon to the desktop when a memory stick or other USB mass-storage device is inserted. I installed the dbus, hal, and pmount packages and Konquerer dynamically displays icons for my memory stick and camera upon insertion and removal. Now, I would like these icons to pop up on the desktop instead of just in Konquerer. I know KNOPPIX does some interesting stuff with UNIONFS and I'm not sure if that is involved here. Also, it seems as though Konquerer uses an internal mount point as I was unable to find a traditional mount point with the mount command. How then might I be able to access the device such as through Midnight Commander? Thnaks! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removable media icon(s) on desktop?
* Jan De Luyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Sep 07 13:03 -0500]: > On Wednesday 07 September 2005 19:40, Sven Krahn wrote: > > Hi Nate - > > > > > I installed the dbus, hal, and pmount packages and Konquerer > > > dynamically displays icons for my memory stick and camera upon > > > insertion and removal. Now, I would like these icons to pop up on the > > > desktop instead of just in Konquerer. I know KNOPPIX does some > > > interesting stuff with UNIONFS and I'm not sure if that is involved > > > here. > > > > just recently I figured that out for myself and documented it for my files. > > Have a look here: > > http://www.svenkrahn.de/linux/my_debian/ar01s03.html#d0e659 > > > > Based on hal, udev, and hotplugging I use the usb-storage script of hotplug > > to copy the icons on my Desktop (on plugin of camera, stick etc.) and > > remove the icon upon unplug. This even allows me to display different > > icons, e.g. camera, USB stick, external drive. > > Weird. I didn't have to do any of this - i just have the packages installed > (hal/udev/dbus/...) and KDE automagically pops up an icon if i plug in my > stick, and removes it when i remove it. Jan, did you have an earlier version of KDE installed? Or did you just install it from the 3.4.2 packages within the past day or so? I wonder if there is some configuration issue here. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removable media icon(s) on desktop?
* Sven Krahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Sep 07 12:42 -0500]: >Hi Nate - > > I installed the dbus, hal, and pmount packages and Konquerer > dynamically displays icons for my memory stick and camera upon > insertion and removal. Now, I would like these icons to pop up on the > desktop instead of just in Konquerer. I know KNOPPIX does some > interesting stuff with UNIONFS and I'm not sure if that is involved > here. > >just recently I figured that out for myself and documented it for my >files. Have a look here: >http://www.svenkrahn.de/linux/my_debian/ar01s03.html#d0e659 Thank you, Sven. Very nicely done. I will definitely give your pages some serious study. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removable media icon(s) on desktop?
* Jan De Luyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Sep 07 13:48 -0500]: > On Wednesday 07 September 2005 20:37, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > Weird. I didn't have to do any of this - i just have the packages > > > installed (hal/udev/dbus/...) and KDE automagically pops up an icon if i > > > plug in my stick, and removes it when i remove it. > > > > Jan, did you have an earlier version of KDE installed? Or did you just > > install it from the 3.4.2 packages within the past day or so? I wonder > > if there is some configuration issue here. > > I've been a steady upgrader, now coming from the alioth 3.4.1 packages. The > only things i can see is that I have enabled "Show device icons" and checked > all the devices listed in the list below. They show up when I plug them in. Yeah, whaddayaknow! I got back to my laptop and found that option as well. Everything works perfectly. D'oh!! Thanks for all the info everyone. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks
* Jean-Damien Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Sep 16 05:00 -0500]: > Hmmm, I have not seen many messages to thank you all very much for the big > efforts concerning kde packages following the g++ + xorg transitions, and > that was a big task for sure - in summer in addition! > So here we go - as many other users I have successfully upgraded (never mind > for the very few remaining packages not yet transitionned - that will come), > and all looks so good that I wanted to say so on that list... > Well done; > Cheers, JD. Add my second as thanks to the team. I transitioned to 3.4.2 a bit over a week ago and it has been a typically smooth Debian upgrade. Your hard work is much appreciated. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb storage problems
I had a similar question maybe ten days ago and it is now working flawlessly. I have: Linux 2.6.12 udev pmount hal KDE 3.4.2 All I had to do was configure the desktop and select Behavior then the Device icons tab and enable Show device icons. From there I selected the ones I want to show. My CDs and DVDs appear as well as my USB stick and camera (USB mass storage). None of them mount automatically which is what I prefer as it is easy enough to right click the icon and mount the device. This functionality rocks! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb storage problems
* Henk Loke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Sep 18 15:28 -0500]: > There is no need to right click, (double) left click and it gets mounted and > opened automagical... True, but I don't normally use Konquerer. I'm still a Midnight Commander fan. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE and IPv6
* Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 07 16:44 -0600]: > On Monday 07 November 2005 22:34, Curt Howland wrote: > > On Monday 07 November 2005 16:21, Kevin Krammer was heard to say: > > > did you write > > > ftp://::192:168:1:20/ > > > > Actually, what I wrote was ftp://corwin6/ > > > > With /etc/hosts: > > ::192:168:1:20 corwin6 > > > > But I also did try the addressing as you suggest. No difference. > > Hmm. > > > > Googling brought some URLs in this form > > > ftp://[::192:168:1:20]/ > > > > Let me see... Nope. "could not connect to host ::192:168:1:20" > > Yeah, sorry. > IPv& addresses are in hexadecimal notation, so this is a very different > host ;) > > I think a valid appreviation is > ::192.168.1.20 > some kind compatability mode > > or > ::C0A8:0114 Well, ipv6calc shows me: ipv6calc --ipv4_to_6to4addr 192.168.1.20 2002:c0a8:114:: Not that I understand IPV4 to IPV6 conversion or anything, but I'm not sure if the 2002 at the head of the output is significant or the double colons at the tail. I wonder if IPV6 is going to actually happen. I read somewhere in the past couple of days (might have been a Slashdot post :-/ ) that IPV6 is "overkill" and some are proposing a reassignment of sorts for IPV4 addresses. Personally, I like the dotted quad notation of IPV4 over the MAC address like format of IPV6 and I'm still getting used to seeing adjaceant colons. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using reportbug with kmail
* Ana Guerrero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 07 21:28 -0600]: > > PS: I do not want (although I know how) to configure exim because there is > > no easy way out: only with TLS and authentication. Both is a pain to hack > > into the exim configuration. Additionally, I do not want to save the > > password as clear text in the exim configuration. > > Yeah, i understand you. > A fast solution is execute reportbug and when you get the mail ready to send, > cut and paste it in kmail, then, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I threw out Exim about a year ago and setup esmtp which is quite small, easy to configure (five or six lines a couple of which are optional), works with Procmail, and works with Mutt and reportbug. Exim is overkill when esmtp works just fine for me. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.4 Update
* Tatu Portin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 15:40 -0600]: > I understand that while the ABI transformation from vers. 1 to version > 2 is in progress, you cannot successfully update whole KDE system. I > tried with aptitude, but some programs would be left broken because > they don't yet have newer versions available in testing. > > Does anybody know, how long the transformation is going to take? In Unstable it was several weeks, at least a month, before most of the packages made the transition. For some reason, since everything was now working in Sid, I thought that it would all dump into Etch at once. Apparently, this is not the case so I would expect the same time table. Except for k3b the deleted packages didn't affect me. I'm getting by with XCDRoast which must now use GTK2 since my KDE fonts and style were active in it. Yea! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 packages available on alioth
With the announcement that KDE released 3.5 yesterday, does this mean that the packaging work of 3.5RC1 will cease immediately and attention will turn to 3.5? If so, is there a chance that 3.5 will make it into Unstable by Christmas? :-) - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 packages available on alioth
* Josh Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 30 16:48 -0600]: > On Wednesday 30 November 2005 03:47 pm, André Wöbbeking wrote: > > On Wednesday 30 November 2005 20:26, Josh Metzler wrote: > > > On Wednesday 30 November 2005 02:17 pm, Yves Glodt wrote: > > > > why not stop wasting resources and halt work on 3.4.3 and go with > > > > 3.5 immediately, anyway etch will come with 3.5 I guess... no? > > > > > > The release team asked us not to do that. They want the g++ > > > allocator transition to go quickly, which means not uploading major > > > new versions of large packages like KDE. > > > > But for the g++ allocator transition all KDE packages must be updated > > anyway. Now you want to update all KDE 3.4 packages to update them some > > days later again with 3.5 packages. Isn't that more work than to go to > > 3.5 directly? > > It is more work for us, but not too much. It is basically just running a > couple of scripts and then rebuilding each package, as KDE 3.4.3 was > already packaged for experimental, and not much has changed since then. > > The release team is concerned with both the transition in unstable, and the > transition in testing. The concern is that uploading KDE 3.5 to unstable > right now might cause a longer delay in getting the g++ allocator > transition (which affects much more than just KDE) into testing. The > release team doesn't want unstable->testing migrations to stop for any > longer than is necessary. Hopefully the transition will go quickly and KDE > 3.5 can go into unstable soon. Thanks for the update, Josh. I shall be patient although this C++ thing is getting on my nerves! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Akregator does not update feeds after Etch to Sid upgrade
I've been using Akregator for a few weeks on a laptop that has been running Sid for a few months. The first version of KDE installed on it was 3.4.x. Since I like Akregator and since the migration of KDE 3.4.x into Etch is taking some time, I upgraded this box to Sid on Thursday evening and starting using Akregator. After yesterday and into this morning, it was obvious that the feeds are not being updated. I deleted all of the Akregator config fils from my home directory and added all of my feeds again. After an initial load of feeds from the various sites, they have not updated all afternoon even though Firefox shows that feeds like Slashdot have updated. Is anyone else seeing this? Any troubleshooting ideas? Can this in some way be related to upgrading from KDE 3.3 to 3.4? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nice interview with several Debian KDE packagers
Here is a nice interview with several of Debian's KDE packaging team: http://people.kde.nl/debian.html - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Akregator does not update feeds after Etch to Sid upgrade
* Olivier Trichet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Dec 18 13:53 -0600]: > > It seems that the 3.4 version introduces an option which askes if you want > to use the cache or not (before, it was using the konqueror's setting). > So go in configuration-->general-->network and uncheckes "use cache". That seems to have fixed my problem. Thanks much. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Window mini-icon (kwin)
This is probably a silly (read obvious) question, but how does one change or specify the mini-icon of windows kwin only uses the generic X for? I've Googled and read some KDE docs, but I've not figured out the answer. I use several apps, Mutt in a xterm and xfte that I would like to use their icons on their respective windows. Ideas? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konqueror's location toolbar jumps to the first row
* Alejandro Exojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Feb 06 03:56 -0600]: > Hi. > > I'm recently noting something weird with the "location" toolbar in konqueror. > When I open a new konqueror, I have two rows of toolbars; the first with the > "previous", "next", "up", etc. buttons, and the second with the "location" > toolbar. > > But if I maximize the window, the "location" row is merged with the above one > (like firefox), and I'm unable to put it again in a second row. > > I think this happens since I upgraded kdebase to 3.5.1. Anyone can confirm > it, > please? I went into customize toolbars and removed the "button" or function and it removed the duplicate toolbar functions. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pmount/hal/usb issue
* Robert Gomu?ka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 May 15 13:23 -0500]:
> Hello,
> I remember a discussion some time ago here about behaviour of KDE after
> inserting e.g. USB stick. I cannot find it now and I'm not sure if this issue
> is relevant, so don't bite me in case of redundant post.
> Problem: I insert (plug) USB stick. Dialog box appears ("what to do"). I
> choose "upload pictures to digikam" (yes, those were pictures in fact).
> Then digikam cannot download the pictures. I go to /media and cannot see any
> directories under it. Then I do "pmount /dev/sda1" and digikam is happy (yes,
> previously it wanted to download pictures from the same, right location).
> Which part of customization am I missing? What should I do - report a bug or
> just set up something?
I just wrestled with this over the weekend and today. Firstly, I
presume that your user is a member of the plugdev group? If not, it
needs to be added.
Second, I had been unable to convince KDesktop or Konqueror that the USB
device was in fact being mounted by pmount (as the output of mount showed
and I could access the drive with Midnight Commander). I had everything up
to date from Sid and still no joy. This morning I installed Linux image
2.6.16 and whadda-ya-know, everything works fine. I had been running
2.6.14 since January or so.
Since udev, dbus, and hal are involved and closely related to the
kernel, there was probably some caveat somewhere that I didn't find that
warned about this very thing. It was strange that the device was being
mounted correctly under /media, but KDE was never getting the message.
I couldn't find any remarkable configuration between my Sid partition
and a recently installed Kanotix version from mid April 2006.
HTH,
- Nate >>
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Re: pmount/hal/usb issue
* Robert Gomu?ka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 May 17 17:09 -0500]: > Sad to hear that it's not something obvious and/or trivial. > Yes, I am a member of plugdev group. > And I have 2.6.14 kernel. I am not going to upgrade it in the near future, so > I'm stuck with manual operating for now... > I can't see any clues in xsession-errors file. I couldn't find any clues either in any log files. Whatever the failure is it is apparently silent. This is where it's good to have two machines that I can track Sid slightly differently and why I have Slackware, KANOTIX, and anything else that strikes my fancy installed in another partition on my laptop. Often by comparing differences I can work through a problem. Good luck! > Thank you for your answer. You're welcome. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New update, new fonts
* D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 May 22 18:05 -0500]: > On Monday 22 May 2006 4:32 am, Grégoire Druant wrote: > > > I have the same problem, and thanks for your solution, it works. > > > > But what's strange is that my wine fonts are bigger than before, whatever > > the hinting style is set to. > > > > Does anybody have an idea ? > > Did it perhaps have something to do with the recent change in X that caused > the window system to report the actual dpi of your display, instead of > picking either 75x75 or 100x100? That changed a lot of my font sizes in > strange ways, because my real resolution is 83x82 or something like that, and > I had had it at 100x100 before. > > Just a thought. I was already using display size and on this 1280x1024 display the font size is 95x95. I found that when configuring the anti-aliasing in KDE Control Center and resetting the Excluded Range did help. I think it is set to 8 to 15 pt and even though the selection is greyed out, checking it and resetting the values to 1 to 6 restored AA on the smaller fonts I encounter on the Web. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New update, new fonts
* Grégoire Druant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 May 24 04:08 -0500]: > How can I know what dpi is set on my system ? xdpyinfo | grep resolution - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing konqueror menu font size.
* Glenn Meehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 08 19:37 -0500]: > Hi, > > The menu font size in konqueror is about 15 this is too big and I would > like to reduce it down to font size 10. I am also using > gnome-settings-daemon. I am running at a resolution of 1024*768. All of > my fonts in control center are set to 10. > > How do I change the konqueror menu font size? Have you tried kcontrol? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing konqueror menu font size.
* Glenn Meehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 08 22:03 -0500]: > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 21:36 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * Glenn Meehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 08 19:37 -0500]: > > > Hi, > > > > > > The menu font size in konqueror is about 15 this is too big and I would > > > like to reduce it down to font size 10. I am also using > > > gnome-settings-daemon. I am running at a resolution of 1024*768. All of > > > my fonts in control center are set to 10. > > > > > > How do I change the konqueror menu font size? > > > > Have you tried kcontrol? > > kcontrol just loads the control center, so in effect I have tried it. I > am running etch and kde 3.5. It has been a while since I have done an > apt-get upgrade. Okay then. I just read a reference to GNOME and I know that kcontrol has a global font selection screen for KDE apps. Carry on. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-tasking
* Leopold Palomo Avellaneda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 28 06:53 -0500]: > A Dimecres 28 Juny 2006 12:54, Anders E. Andersen va escriure: > > Matej Cepl skrev: > > > on the background. Whenever I run something more complicated in Linux > > > (gcc, update of slocate dbase), whole computer goes almost to halt (and > > > it is not that bad computer -- Dell Inspiron 2200 notebook w/ Celeron > > > 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM). I believe that Linux should have perfect > > > multi-everything, but apparently there is some problem with my > > > configuration. > > > > > > Can anybody kick me in the right direction? > > > > Pretty much the only thing that comes to my mind is if you are running a > > kernel that has been compiled with the 'preemptible kernel' option. > I think that's not right, > > Without a preemptible kernel, the desktop experience is not as good. > > Desktop --> preemtive > Server --> no preemtive Okay, so my stock Debian kernel config shows the following: CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL is not set So, I presume they are not compiled for desktop use then? Has anyone filed a wishlist bug to get a set of kernels that are pre-emptive? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Multi-tasking
> So, I presume they are not compiled for desktop use then? Has anyone > filed a wishlist bug to get a set of kernels that are pre-emptive? I filed a wishlist bug against linux-source-2.6.17 so we shall see what happens. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Multi-tasking
> So, I presume they are not compiled for desktop use then? Has anyone > filed a wishlist bug to get a set of kernels that are pre-emptive? I filed a wishlist bug against linux-source-2.6.17 so we shall see what happens. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org
Re: Re: Multi-tasking
> So, I presume they are not compiled for desktop use then? Has anyone > filed a wishlist bug to get a set of kernels that are pre-emptive? I filed a wishlist bug against linux-source-2.6.17 so we shall see what happens. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org
Re: Re: Multi-tasking
* Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 28 15:02 -0500]: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> So, I presume they are not compiled for desktop use then? Has anyone > >> filed a wishlist bug to get a set of kernels that are pre-emptive? > > > > I filed a wishlist bug against linux-source-2.6.17 so we shall see what > > happens. > > And if they add to this version of kernel also suspend2 patch and call it > desktop (or laptop) I could abstain from compiling my own kernel. > > What is the number of the bug? 375845 Here is the report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375845 - Nate >> P.S. Those other two duplicates were me trying to get kmail working with Firefox... Don't ask! -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konqueror cannot connect to local LAN IP address, firefox (and others) can
* Gerrit Jan Baarda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jul 27 13:19 -0500]: > Hi all, > > I have a strange problem on my notebook running unstable. For some time, I > cannot access my router web interfaces with konqueror, it complains cannot > connect to 192.168.xx.xx when I enter an URL https://192.168.xx.xx in the > location box. Is it really https? Maybe it needs http initially. The two protocols use different ports AIUI. How about if you just type in the address without http[s]:// preceding it? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konqueror cannot connect to local LAN IP address, firefox (and others) can
* Gerrit Jan Baarda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jul 30 07:49 -0500]: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 11:58, Josep Febrer wrote: > > > Have you tried to disable IPv6 for Konqueror? > > > > To do it you just have to export this variable: > > > > export KDE_NO_IPV6=true > > > > To make it permanent across reboots, you can insert that line > > on /etc/environment > > Thanks, unfortunateley, this also made no difference. Since you're forcing HTTPS, is it possible that there is some problem with the SSL certificates? (I don't know and I've already offered more than I know. :) - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panorama scannind with Kooka?
I really like Kooka and it works flawlessly. I want to do something extra. I am trying to scan a two-page advertisement from a magazine with my flatbed scanner. I have no problem with selecting one page at a time, but does Kooka support scanning a page and then a second so that the two are merged side-by-side? I tried Hugin, but I'm not an image geek so spending days learning to tweak it for a one-off scan merge is not in my schedule (my attempt came out horribly distorted on the righ side). Thanks! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Odd behavior, multiple menu and toolbar entries
This has been vexing me for several months. I have used KDE on my desktop machine for about two years and it has been Sid the whole time and upgraded from somewhere in the 3.4 days to 3.5.7. Some time back I noticed that some applications would show duplicate menu entries, as though the entire menu was repeated. In other apps, or maybe the same one, a menu in the menu bar will be lost or say "No Text!" and in some cases the menu will be empty. Some apps have toolbar button entries duplicated as well. I've noticed Konqueror and KControl affected. Also, I can't keep KOrganizer from starting. It is disabled each time, but right clicking on it shows the "Reminders Enabled" unchecked but the "Start Reminder Daemon at Login" is checked each time. Even if I uncheck the latter option and stop the daemon, it will startup on the next login. I renamed my ~/.kde directory temporarily and that solved the KOrganizer issue, but the odd menu and toolbar issues remained. This is truly odd, unless some old config file didn't get purged in /etc and that is causing my issues. Maybe a year back I tried purging the entirety of KDE and starting over with no change of the results. I've got this thing configured as I like it and I really don't relish the idea of starting over. Ideas? - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libgtk2.0-0 and flashplugin-nonfree
* Benjamí Villoslada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Sep 29 08:19 -0500]: > From one week ago, the libgtk2.0-0 upgrade (Sid) freezes Konqueror when this > browser opens Flash contents: nspluginviewer goes to 100% CPU consumption. > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440165 > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443399 > > The solution was downgrade libgtk2.0-0: > > $ sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-0=2.10.13-1 > > but now is not possible this downgrade because GIMP and Iceweasel needs the > last libgtk2.0-0. > > Any workaround? I simply disabled plugins globally. :-( - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE4 beta4 live CD
* Fathi Boudra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 01 03:11 -0500]: > Hi, > > Thanks to the efforts of the Debian Live project, we have created live CDs > with current KDE4 beta4 for i386 and amd64 architectures: > > http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html Nice preview in qemu, Now I need to try it on some real hardware. Thanks! - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
* Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 07 15:25 -0600]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: > > If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the > > following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" > > he then will have an install with only KDE. > > If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: > > tasksel install kde-destop > > Thierry > > It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the > point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen > the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, > now Philip, what we should have done. That was the only thing I groused about when Etch was released as I did a couple of practice installations. The consensus over on Debian-User seemed to be that no real problem exists since a working (open to interpretation, I guess) GUI was installed. Installing KDE was easy enough for me since I'm quite familiar with Aptitude. Ridding the system of GNOME to recover space was not so easily accomplished. The argument went that *something* had to be the default and since Debian had committed to GNOME years back, it was the default. Others cited "confusion" on the part of a newbie presented with a choice. Yeah, right. Newbie selects Debian out of a few hundred distros and only *then* during installation is confused by a choice? :-D I guess the standard answer is to "file a bug report". > Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate > options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Egad, I haven't touched dselect in *years*. I use Aptitude in interactive mode (which I gather a lot of other people don't do since I see references to its commandline invocations). - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
* Tomas Nykung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 08 03:34 -0600]: > Download the iso whose name ends with "kde-CD-1.iso" (or xfce-CD-1.iso > if you want xfce installed by default) and install from that. > (For the newcomers: you just need the first CD, the rest is > automatically installed over the net, so no need to download all the > 21 iso files :) That's good to know. I had bought DVD ISOs from a 3rd party and don't recall a choice of DE. Ordinarily I would have chosen Net install, but I was going to update some machines whose only access is dialup. Since they already had KDE installed, the upgrades went off without a hitch. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch (updates on the website)
* Ana Guerrero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 08 07:10 -0600]: > > Hi, > > After read the last thread I have added to the pkg-kde's website a brief > howto about get KDE on Debian easily: > > http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/installkdedebian.html > > Suggestions/patches/english fixes are welcome. That looks very good, Ana. The only downside I see is that the page may not be easy to find, There is mention of the boot option in the Installation Manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software which I, of course, don't bother to look at since I've been using Debian for 8+ years. :-) However, having to perform the procedure on the page linked above really makes it seem like KDE is a second class citizen (I don't want to start or further a flame warm, it's just an observation). For as good as the Etch installer is, when it gets to the taskselect stage, not having a choice of desktop-kde, desktop-gnome (default), desktop-xfce, etc. seems like quite an oversight. > We try to put all the information related to KDE on Debian there, but there is > stuff we procrastinate to publish... Thanks for the work the KDE team does. I, for one, really appreciate it. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The kde team solution is not work well, i think so
* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jan 15 02:21 -0600]: > On Jan 14, 2008 1:09 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BasaBuru wrote: > > > > > Please dont send a private mail, we loss information > > > > > > I'm use a sid/experimental Debian > > > > You should have read Ana's announcement email. > > Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user. > > If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are doing. > > > > I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good. > > I'm not sure it works well yet, but not by any fault of the DDs. I > think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable > given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still > missing. Have you read Aaron Seigo's blogs on this topic? There is a reason they believe they had to do it now otherwise KDE 4.0.0 would remain an ongoing Beta much like the GNU HURD. Some things just don't happen until there is an actual .0 release. Friday's release has set a lot of good things in motion that wouldn't have happened, even though they readily admit that it is not feature complete and buggy. I accept their explanation at face value. I can play with 4.0.0 via live CD distributions and when it stabilizes I'll look forward to seeing it in Sid. Until that point, perhaps 4.1.x or even 4.2.x, I'm not quite ready for it to replace 3.5.8, at least just yet. Kernel 2.6.x was out almost two years before I began using it on a daily basis. The state of F/OSS software is much better now than a decade ago when I made the commitment to Linux full time. My thanks to all involved for a decade Microsoft Free! - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The kde team solution is not work well, i think so
* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jan 16 21:17 -0600]: > On Jan 15, 2008 4:32 AM, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you read Aaron Seigo's blogs on this topic? There is a reason > > they believe they had to do it now otherwise KDE 4.0.0 would remain an > > ongoing Beta much like the GNU HURD. Some things just don't happen > > until there is an actual .0 release. Friday's release has set a lot of > > good things in motion that wouldn't have happened, even though they > > readily admit that it is not feature complete and buggy. > > What's so special about turning over the odometer prematurely that > couldn't have been accomplished better with a freeze? Ask them. I was just relaying some things I'd read over the past month. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
