Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Christoph Egger wrote:
> It means we need a stable release of some sort to keep DSA provided
> hardware. That's currently buildds and porterboxes.

That's annoying.

To provide stable/security support ourselves, it seemed we'd need an
unofficial repo, and that doesn't sound like something DSA could use.

Although, how is that handled for hurd-i386?  I assume it has no
security support, there may be some unofficial packages used;  are
therefore none of their machines DSA?

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Christoph Egger
Hi!

Steven Chamberlain  writes:
> Christoph Egger wrote:
>> It means we need a stable release of some sort to keep DSA provided
>> hardware. That's currently buildds and porterboxes.
>
> That's annoying.
>
> To provide stable/security support ourselves, it seemed we'd need an
> unofficial repo, and that doesn't sound like something DSA could use.

 christoph: the ftp-folks wouldn't mind having a jessie-kfreebsd suite 
in the main archive.

With our own acceptance policy I guess (like backports has different
people accepting and stuff) and DSA would sure be willing to use
that. All it means is we need to do some release that is close enough to
being debian for the infrastructure.

It means we can't only do some rolling stuff and expect DSA to run
hardware for us for example.

> Although, how is that handled for hurd-i386?  I assume it has no
> security support, there may be some unofficial packages used;  are
> therefore none of their machines DSA?

These are "private" machines

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 12:05:06 +, a écrit :
> Although, how is that handled for hurd-i386?  I assume it has no
> security support, there may be some unofficial packages used;  are
> therefore none of their machines DSA?

We are still stuck in the "not released arch => no DSA machine => not
released arch" loop.

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Steven Chamberlain, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 12:05:06 +, a écrit :
> > Although, how is that handled for hurd-i386?  I assume it has no
> > security support, there may be some unofficial packages used;  are
> > therefore none of their machines DSA?
> 
> We are still stuck in the "not released arch => no DSA machine => not
> released arch" loop.

Except that it's not a loop.  DSA has indicated time and time again that
if an arch qualifies for a release in all other aspects, we'd be running
buildds and porterboxes close to the release.  And, TTBOMK, the release
team has so far accepted that.  IOW the fact that hurd is not being
released with jessie is not due to not having d.o systems.

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Peter Palfrader, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 13:39:02 +0100, a écrit :
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> 
> > Steven Chamberlain, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 12:05:06 +, a écrit :
> > > Although, how is that handled for hurd-i386?  I assume it has no
> > > security support, there may be some unofficial packages used;  are
> > > therefore none of their machines DSA?
> > 
> > We are still stuck in the "not released arch => no DSA machine => not
> > released arch" loop.
> 
> Except that it's not a loop.  DSA has indicated time and time again that
> if an arch qualifies for a release in all other aspects, we'd be running
> buildds and porterboxes close to the release.  And, TTBOMK, the release
> team has so far accepted that.  IOW the fact that hurd is not being
> released with jessie is not due to not having d.o systems.

Ok, then I don't understand why there are "DSA-admined buildds" and
"security buildds" columns in the release qualification sheet.

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Peter Palfrader, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 13:39:02 +0100, a écrit :
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > We are still stuck in the "not released arch => no DSA machine => not
> > > released arch" loop.
> > 
> > Except that it's not a loop.  DSA has indicated time and time again that
> > if an arch qualifies for a release in all other aspects, we'd be running
> > buildds and porterboxes close to the release.  And, TTBOMK, the release
> > team has so far accepted that.  IOW the fact that hurd is not being
> > released with jessie is not due to not having d.o systems.
> 
> Ok, then I don't understand why there are "DSA-admined buildds" and
> "security buildds" columns in the release qualification sheet.

Because they need to exist for the release.  They are necessary, not
sufficient.  You aren't blocking on them.

If/when DSA admined buildds are the only remaining issue and we're close
to the release, then we can make them.

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > We are still stuck in the "not released arch => no DSA machine => not
> > released arch" loop.
> 
> Except that it's not a loop.  DSA has indicated time and time again that
> if an arch qualifies for a release in all other aspects, we'd be running
> buildds and porterboxes close to the release.

Until Christoph quoted your brilliant suggestion on IRC, I did think
there were one or more loops here with no obvious way out, for us or
many future ports.

At least, the release team's decision seemed far-reaching, since:

  0.   stable RM says 'no' to a port

  1.1. if there's not a 'stable' release, the buildds can't be DSA
  1.2. without DSA buildds, there can be no security builds either
   (and vice-versa)
  1.3. packages built for sid, on non-DSA buildds are not official?
   so would need to rebootstrap itself

  2.1. testing goes away too
  2.2. users/developers are left with only sid, which is obviously
   more broken;  development gets harder, users leave
  2.3. port becomes less appealing for maintainers to support,
   stop trying to building their packages on it

  3.1. if there's no testing or stable, FTP team might not see much
   reason to distribute it;  it moves to debian-ports.org and, I
   suppose never comes back
  3.2. mirrors no longer carry it, most QA tools and supporting
   infrastructure can no longer support it

  4.   next release qualification, the port seems in pretty bad shape
   due to all of the above probably receives a 'no' again

Anyway, I'm really hopeful now.  weasel suggested a 'jessie-kfreebsd'
suite could still be supported by FTP team.  (Actually, could that be
named something more generic like jessie-ports?  So that another arch
can try something similar?  Or would it be confused too much with
debian-ports.org?)

Porters would try to maintain it like a stable release.  Perhaps able
to do make improvements that release team policy might not have allowed;
like backporting something that particularly benefits that arch.
Practically it would be an 'official Debian port', and we'd have all the
usual things like install media.

If it turns out to be in fact stable, hopefully it would be acceptable
to DSA.  The remaining obstacles go away.  It sounds sustainable, and
seems like a model for other ports to follow.

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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Tue 11 Nov 2014 13:41:18 +, a écrit :
> Practically it would be an 'official Debian port', and we'd have all the
> usual things like install media.

I wouldn't call it "official", but I agree on the rest.  Getting hurt
by sid bugs is always a pain, and you can not have users that way.  And
having a port in the normal infrastructure flow helps a *lot* to get
maintainers at least try to fix their packages, instead of leaving all
the tudy to the porter team.

Samuel


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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-11 Thread Hector Oron
Hello,

2014-11-11 14:41 GMT+01:00 Steven Chamberlain :
> Peter Palfrader wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Anyway, I'm really hopeful now.  weasel suggested a 'jessie-kfreebsd'
> suite could still be supported by FTP team.  (Actually, could that be
> named something more generic like jessie-ports?  So that another arch
> can try something similar?  Or would it be confused too much with
> debian-ports.org?)
>
> Porters would try to maintain it like a stable release.  Perhaps able
> to do make improvements that release team policy might not have allowed;
> like backporting something that particularly benefits that arch.
> Practically it would be an 'official Debian port', and we'd have all the
> usual things like install media.
>
> If it turns out to be in fact stable, hopefully it would be acceptable
> to DSA.  The remaining obstacles go away.  It sounds sustainable, and
> seems like a model for other ports to follow.

I have been thinking adding stable to debian-ports would be great for
these kind of cases, but still there are many open ends:
* Need for unreleased-stable suite
* Keep up with security maintenance
* Keep up with point releases
* Handling transitions in acceptable time (not directly affecting
stable release)
* Handle migrations between unstable -> stable(?) suites

All that, and maybe more, without release, security, buildd, dsa team support.
Not trivial stuff to do, but that might not only help the kfreebsd but
all the other debian-ports arches to get an unofficial stable release.

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Re: Building glibc-2.19-14~0 with fakeroot-hurd/fakreoot-tcp

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 10 Nov 2014 17:59:45 +0100, a écrit :
> Previously glibc-2.19-* built fine with fakeroot-hurd (no testsuite),
> but the latest version does not: glibc-2.19-14~0:

But what "previously" is exactly?  Did you try to downgrade the libc or
hurd installed on your box?  Note that I don't think it depends on the
version of the glibc that you build, but on the version of the packages
which are already installed.  Knowing which precise version of installed
packages trigger the bug will probably help a lot to determine where the
issue comes from.

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Re: Building glibc-2.19-14~0 with fakeroot-hurd/fakreoot-tcp

2014-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 00:07 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Svante Signell, le Mon 10 Nov 2014 17:59:45 +0100, a écrit :
> > Previously glibc-2.19-* built fine with fakeroot-hurd (no testsuite),
> > but the latest version does not: glibc-2.19-14~0:
> 
> But what "previously" is exactly?  Did you try to downgrade the libc or
> hurd installed on your box?  Note that I don't think it depends on the
> version of the glibc that you build, but on the version of the packages
> which are already installed.  Knowing which precise version of installed
> packages trigger the bug will probably help a lot to determine where the
> issue comes from.

Bisecting is of course the best method, but downgrading
gnumach:x/hurd:y/glibc:z = x^i*y^j*z^k and rebuilding glibc with
fakeroot-hurd for each iteration would take weeks in computer time, not
even considering personal time. Add to that other packages that can
affect the search: binutils, etc?



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Re: Building glibc-2.19-14~0 with fakeroot-hurd/fakreoot-tcp

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Wed 12 Nov 2014 00:16:37 +0100, a écrit :
> On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 00:07 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Svante Signell, le Mon 10 Nov 2014 17:59:45 +0100, a écrit :
> > > Previously glibc-2.19-* built fine with fakeroot-hurd (no testsuite),
> > > but the latest version does not: glibc-2.19-14~0:
> > 
> > But what "previously" is exactly?  Did you try to downgrade the libc or
> > hurd installed on your box?  Note that I don't think it depends on the
> > version of the glibc that you build, but on the version of the packages
> > which are already installed.  Knowing which precise version of installed
> > packages trigger the bug will probably help a lot to determine where the
> > issue comes from.
> 
> Bisecting is of course the best method, but downgrading
> gnumach:x/hurd:y/glibc:z = x^i*y^j*z^k and rebuilding glibc with
> fakeroot-hurd for each iteration would take weeks in computer time, not
> even considering personal time. Add to that other packages that can
> affect the search: binutils, etc?

Err, why would you need to rebuild glibc each time?  Don't you know
exactly the dh_install command which fails?

Also, you don't need to try all combinations first: it's probably a bug
in just one package, so you just need to try to downgrade the various
packages by just one version.  That makes just: downgrade libc, reboot,
try to run dh_install, downgrade hurd, reboot, try to run dh_install,
downgrade gnumach, reboot, try to run dh_install, and repeat up to
reaching the versions with which you believe it worked in the patch.
That should not take very long.

Samuel


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Bug#769189: isc-dhcp-client: dhclient -6 -r waits 1m, affecting finish-install on !linux

2014-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Package: isc-dhcp-client
Version: 4.3.1-5
Severity: important

Hello,

Running

dhclient -6 -r

basically hangs for one minute before returning. Running

dhclient -1 -6 -r

does finish. dhclient.c reads as

if (release mode) {
#ifndef DHCPv6
return 0;
#else
if (local_family == AF_INET6) {
if (onetry)
return 0;
} else
return 0;
#endif /* DHCPv6 */
}

I don't really understand why looking for -1 (onetry) in the inet6 case,
I don't see anything in the documentation, and what I understand from
the source code is that in that case, since -r is specified no request
will be sent, and thus no answer will be received, and thus dhclient
will just wait for the timeout (one minute) without doing anything.

This affects d-i's netcfg finish-install script on !linux ports, where
it runs both dhclient -r and dhclient -6 -r. One way to workaround
the issue for now is adding -1 to netcfg.  It happens that it doesn't
hit kfreebsd just because it happens that umount -a in the 95umount
finish-install script manages to kill dhclient for some reason...

Samuel

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