Dutch translation effort for debian-edu-doc: two questions
Dear all, A few weeks ago I uploaded a Dutch translation of the debian-edu-wheezy-manual as whishlist bug #742823 against Package: debian-edu-doc. (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742823) Now that a Long term support for Debian 6.0 has been announced (http://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424) today, I wonder if it would make sense to still translate the squeeze manual into Dutch (in view of a terminating security support on 31 May I wasn't intending to do so). The git-repo of debian-edu-doc also has pot files for the rosegarden manual and the audacity manual. But since these manuals are based on program versions from the Debian Edu Etch 3.0 release, I suppose they are really obsolete and translating them doesn't make much sense. Or am I wrong? Thanks, Frans Spiesschaert pgpUnYwfTIOG3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dutch translation effort for debian-edu-doc: two questions
Op 24-04-14 23:25:36 schreef Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Frans Spiesschaert] > > > > > > I wonder if it would make sense to still translate the > > squeeze manual into Dutch (in view of a terminating > > security support on 31 May I wasn't intending to do > so). > > I believe it only make sense to translate the Wheezy > manual. If you > want to translate more, translate the user software (KDE, > Iceweasel, > LibreOffice, vlc, debian-installer, etc, etc). > In general Dutch is rather well supported as it comes to user software. I'm not sure if this is also the case for educational software. I need to take a closer look at it. It would be nice to have such software available in Dutch, since the Ministry of Education in Flanders endorses the use of open source software. > > The git-repo of debian-edu-doc also has pot files for > the rosegarden > > manual and the audacity manual. But since these manuals > are based on > > program versions from the Debian Edu Etch 3.0 release, > I > suppose > > they are really obsolete and translating them doesn't > make much > > sense. Or am I wrong? > > As far as I know, the rosegarden is still valid. No idea > about the > audacity manual. OK, I'll see when I can get to it. > -- > Happy hacking > Petter Reinholdtsen > Cheers, Frans Spiesschaert pgpDgta1KtcBN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dutch translation effort for debian-edu-doc: two questions
Op 25-04-14 14:49:20 schreef Wolfgang Schweer: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:25:36PM +0200, Petter > Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > Package: debian-edu-doc. > > > (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi? > bug=742823) > > Ah, and no-one found time to commit it to git. > > The bug report sent to the BTS failed to make it to > debian-edu@, this was > most probably due to #475682 (the (uncompressed) It looks like I have to learn even the most obvious things. Next time I'll try and remember to compress it. > attachment was to big). > > Wolfgang > Thanks, Frans Spiesschaert pgpuODLBEBJLI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content and translation status for the debian-edu-wheezy manual
Op 01-06-14 03:24:49 schreef Holger Levsen: > The (translated) debian-edu-wheezy manual as PDF or HTML > is available at http://maintainer.skolelinux.org/debian- > edu-doc/ > > To understand this mail better, please read > /usr/share/doc/debian-edu-doc/README. > This mail is automatically send by a cronjob run by > Holger > Levsen every two weeks. Please send feedback, > suggestions, > flames and cookies via this list. > > debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po: 1401 translated messages, > 23 fuzzy translations, 17 untranslated messages. Dear Holger, I updated debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po What is the preferred way for me to submit the new po-file 1. I could do "diff debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl-20140327.po debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po > diff.debian-edu-wheezy- manual.nl.txt" and attach diff.debian-edu-wheezy- manual.nl.txt to a bugreport against debian-edu-doc, so that you can patch debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po or 2. I could attach the entire updated debian-edu-wheezy- manual.nl.po (this time gzipped as debian-edu-wheezy- manual.nl.po.gz) What do you prefer? Groetjes (regards), Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org pgpYNK3wF01Z2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#751678: debian-edu-doc: dutch translation of audacity manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Dear All, Please find attached the file audacity-manual.nl.po.gz, with the Dutch translation of the debian edu manual for audacity. Given the limited scope of this manual and the fact that there exists upstream an up-to-date and more extended manual (with localisation effort), licensed under a DFSG-free licence (Creative Commons Attribution 3.0), I wonder if I should consider packaging it for Debian in a separate package. I'am aware of bug #313038 against the audacity package and it's wontfix-tag. If I understand it's motivation well, it is merely because the manual is available on the internet. So a concertation with the audacity maintainers will be necessary, in the first place in order to determine if packaging the audacity documentation for Debian would be a worthwile effort. Frans Spiesschaert -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.5 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) audacity-manual.nl.po.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data audacity-manual.nl.po.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Bug#752126: debian-edu-doc: updated Dutch translation for debian-edu-wheezy-manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Dear all, Please find attached an updated debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po. Frans Spiesschaert -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.5 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=nl_BE.utf8, LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140619220140.18876.81230.report...@bureau.gelategemnet.homelinux.org
Bug#757465: debian-edu-doc: updated Dutch translation for the audacity manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Hi, Please find attached a diff-file to update the Dutch translation for the audacity manual. Changes are: - an update for 2 fuzzy strings. - one minor correction in the translation of one other string. Thanks, Frans Spiesschaert -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.6 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) --- audacity-manual.nl.old.po 2014-08-08 14:59:13.0 +0200 +++ audacity-manual.nl.new.po 2014-08-08 15:37:43.0 +0200 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2014-06-17 11:19+0300\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-05-29 22:41+0200\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-08-08 15:36+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Dutch \n" "Language: nl\n" @@ -481,11 +481,10 @@ msgstr "" "De volgende auteurs, bij wie ook de auteursrechten berusten, schreven mee " "aan dit document: Alf Tonny Bätz (2008, 2009) en Holger Levsen (2009). Het " -"document werd uitgegeven onder een GPL-licentie versie 2 of later. Geniet " -"ervan!" +"document werd uitgegeven onder de licentie GPL2 of enige latere versie. " +"Geniet ervan!" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "If you add content to it, please only do so if " #| "you are the author of it and plan to release it under the same " @@ -500,15 +499,14 @@ "Mocht u er inhoud aan toevoegen, doe dit dan " "alstublieft enkel voor zover u er zelf de auteur van bent en van plan bent " "die inhoud ook onder dezelfde voorwaarden vrij te geven! Voeg " -"hier vervolgens uw naam toe en geef de inhoud vrij onder de GPL-licentie " -"versie 2 of later." +"hier vervolgens uw naam toe en geef de inhoud vrij onder de licentie \"GPL " +"v2 of enige latere versie\"." #. type: Content of: msgid "Translation copyright and authors" msgstr "Auteursrechten en auteurs van vertalingen" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "The French translation is copyrighted by Christophe Masson (2008), " #| "Olivier Vitrat (2010), Cédric Boutillier (2012), Jean-Paul Guilloneau " @@ -524,8 +522,8 @@ "De auteursrechten van de Franse vertaling berusten bij Christophe Masson " "(2008), Olivier Vitrat (2010), Cédric Boutillier (2012), Jean-Paul " "Guilloneau (2012), David Prévot (2012), Thomas Vincent (2012) en het Franse " -"l10n-team (2009, 2010, 2012). De vertaling is vrijgegeven onder de GPL-" -"licentie versie 2 of later." +"l10n-team (2009, 2010, 2012). De vertaling is vrijgegeven onder de licentie " +"GPL v2 of enige latere versie." #. type: Content of: msgid "Translations of this document" --- audacity-manual.nl.old.po 2014-08-08 14:59:13.0 +0200 +++ audacity-manual.nl.new.po 2014-08-08 15:37:43.0 +0200 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2014-06-17 11:19+0300\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-05-29 22:41+0200\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-08-08 15:36+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Dutch \n" "Language: nl\n" @@ -481,11 +481,10 @@ msgstr "" "De volgende auteurs, bij wie ook de auteursrechten berusten, schreven mee " "aan dit document: Alf Tonny Bätz (2008, 2009) en Holger Levsen (2009). Het " -"document werd uitgegeven onder een GPL-licentie versie 2 of later. Geniet " -"ervan!" +"document werd uitgegeven onder de licentie GPL2 of enige latere versie. " +"Geniet ervan!" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "If you add content to it, please only do so if " #| "you are the author of it and plan to release it under the same " @@ -500,15 +499,14 @@ "Mocht u er inhoud aan toevoegen, doe dit dan " "alstublieft enkel voor zover u er zelf de auteur van bent en van plan bent " "die inhoud ook onder dezelfde voorwaarden vrij te geven! Voeg " -"hier vervolgens uw naam toe en geef de inhoud vrij onder de GPL-licentie " -"versie 2 of later." +"hier vervolgens uw naam toe en geef de inhoud vrij onder de licentie \"GPL " +"v2 of enige latere versie\"." #. type: Content of: msgid "Translation copyright and authors" msgstr "Auteursrechten en auteurs van vertalingen" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "The French translation is copyrighted by Christophe Masson (2008), " #| "Olivier Vitrat (2010), Cédric Boutillier (2012), Jean-Paul Guilloneau " @@ -524,8 +522,8 @@ "De auteursrechten van de Franse vertaling berusten bij Christophe Masson " "(2008), Olivier Vitrat (2010), Cédric Boutillier (2012), Jean-Paul " "Guilloneau (2012), David Prévot (2012), Thomas Vincent (2012) en het Franse " -"l10n-team (2009, 2010, 2012). De vertaling is vrijgegeven onder de GPL-" -"licentie versie 2 of later." +"l10n-team (2009, 2010, 2012). De vertaling is vrijgegeven onder de licentie " +"GPL v2 of enige latere versie." #. type: Content of: msgid "Translations of this document"
Bug#757467: debian-edu-doc: Dutch translation for the Rosegarden manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Hi, Please find attached the gzipped Dutch translation for the Rosegarden manual. Thanks, Frans Spiesschaert -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.6 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=nl_BE.utf8, LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash rosegarden-manual.nl.po.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Bug#762210: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl]: fix typo in rosegarden-manual.nl.po
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Please find attached a diff in order to fix a typo I found in rosegarden- manual.nl.po. -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.6 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=nl_BE.utf8, LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash --- debian-edu-doc/documentation/rosegarden/rosegarden-manual.nl.po 2014-09-19 15:40:16.0 +0200 +++ verouderde-debian-edu-doc/documentation/rosegarden/rosegarden-manual.nl.po 2014-09-19 15:54:22.0 +0200 @@ -169,7 +169,7 @@ msgstr "" "Dit apparaat heeft ook een MIDI-interface, zodat u met één apparaat over " "alle mogelijkheden beschikt. Maar dit apparaat is uiteraard duurder dan " -"eenUM-1EX." +"een UM-1EX." #. type: Content of: msgid ""
Bug#762212: debian-edu-doc: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl] a few tiny corrections for debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Please find attached a diff to be applied as a patch against debian-edu-wheezy- manual.nl.po. The changes are the use of a slightly other wording in a few places, which is more in line with the wording used in debian-edu- install.nl.po. -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.6 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=nl_BE.utf8, LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash --- debian-edu-doc/documentation/debian-edu-wheezy/debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po 2014-09-19 15:40:14.0 +0200 +++ verouderde-debian-edu-doc/documentation/debian-edu-wheezy/debian-edu-wheezy-manual.nl.po 2014-09-19 16:01:27.0 +0200 @@ -1077,7 +1077,7 @@ "configuration of network components, servers and client machines." msgstr "" "Skolelinux biedt keuze uit verschillende mogelijke opstellingen. Het kan " -"geïnstalleerd worden op slechts één losstaande computer, maar het kan ook " +"geïnstalleerd worden op slechts één zelfstandige computer, maar het kan ook " "een grootschalige centraal beheerde oplossing bieden aan een groep scholen " "in een bepaalde regio. Deze flexibiliteit vertaalt zich in grote verschillen " "inzake de configuratie van netwerkcomponenten, servers en clientmachines." @@ -1135,7 +1135,7 @@ msgstr "" "De vereisten inzake beschikbare opslagruimte zijn afhankelijk van de " "gebruikte profielen, maar elke schijf groter dan 25 GB zou moeten volstaan " -"voor een werkstation of een losstaande installatie, 30 GB voor een thin-" +"voor een werkstation of een installatie op een zelfstandige computer, 30 GB voor een thin-" "clientserver en tenminste 40 GB voor de hoofdserver. Zoals gewoonlijk met " "betrekking tot opslagruimte op een hoofdserver, geldt ook hier \"hoe meer, " "hoe beter\"." @@ -1162,7 +1162,7 @@ "RAM are minimum requirements, though 512 or 1024 MiB RAM will perform " "considerably better. Just a faster CPU will speed things up." msgstr "" -"Voor werkstations, schijfloze werkstations en losstaande PC's gelden de " +"Voor werkstations, schijfloze werkstations en zelfstandige PC's gelden de " "volgende minimumvereisten: 800 MHz processorsnelheid en 320 MB RAM. Maar 512 " "of 1024 MB RAM-geheugen zal tot aanzienlijk betere prestaties leiden, net " "zoals een krachtigere CPU de verwerkingssnelheid de hoogte zal injagen." @@ -1997,7 +1997,7 @@ "configuratie van diens werkomgeving worden op de lokale harde schijf " "bewaard. In tegenstelling tot het advies dat we in eerdere uitgaven van " "Skolelinux gaven, moet u voor notebooks en laptops dit profiel kiezen en " -"niet het profiel 'werkstation' of het profiel 'losstaande computer'." +"niet het profiel 'werkstation' of het profiel 'zelfstandige computer'." #. type: Content of: msgid "Thin-Client-Server" @@ -9709,7 +9709,7 @@ "the other network but no wpad.dat information is found. Workaround: Use " "Iceweasel or configure the proxy manually." msgstr "" -"Met een bureaubladomgeving van KDE \"Plasma\" op losstaande en mobiele " +"Met een bureaubladomgeving van KDE \"Plasma\" op zelfstandige en mobiele " "werkstations kan het soms gebeuren dat minstens Konqueror, Chromium en Step " "niet automatisch goed functioneren. Dit probleem kan zich manifesteren " "wanneer men deze machines gebruikt buiten het hoofdnetwerk om en wanneer in " @@ -10640,11 +10640,11 @@ #. type: Content of: msgid "Features of the Standalone image" -msgstr "Functionaliteit van het image voor een losstaande computer" +msgstr "Functionaliteit van het image voor een zelfstandige computer" #. type: Content of: msgid "Almost all packages from the Standalone profile" -msgstr "Bijna alle pakketten van het profiel voor losstaande computer" +msgstr "Bijna alle pakketten van het profiel voor zelfstandige computer" #. type: Content of: msgid "All packages from the laptop task" @@ -10993,7 +10993,7 @@ "Als gebruikers zich voor de eerste keer aanmelden, krijgen ze nu een " "welkomstscherm. De standaard openingspagina voor Iceweasel wordt opgehaald " "bij LDAP tijdens de installatie en, als het netwerkprofielen betreft, bij " -"het opstarten van de computer. Voor losstaande installaties is ze ingesteld " +"het opstarten van de computer. Voor installaties op een zelfstandige computer is ze ingesteld " "op http://www.skolelinux.org/\"/>." #. type: Content of: @@ -11124,7 +11124,7 @@ "Simplify partitioning for Standalone installs to only have a separate /home/ " "but no seperate /usr anymore." msgstr "" -"Een vereenvoudigde schijfindeling voor losstaande installaties. Enkel /home/ " +"Een vereenvoudigde schijfindeling voor installaties op een zelfstandige computer. Enkel /home/ " "wordt nog op een aparte partitie geïnstalleerd en /usr niet meer." #. type: Content of: @@ -11503,7 +11503,7 @@ "Replace network-manager-kde with plasma-widge
Bug#763642: debian-edu-install: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation of debconf messages
Package: debian-edu-install Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Dear Maintainer, = Please find attached the Dutch translation of debian-edu- install debconf messages. It has been submitted for review to the debian-l10n-dutch mailing list. Please add it to your next package revision. It should be put as debian/po/nl.po in your package build tree. = Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ # Dutch translation of debian-edu-install debconf templates. # Copyright (C) 2005-2012 THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER # This file is distributed under the same license as the debian-edu-install package. # Frans Pop , 2005. # Bart Cornelis , 2008. # Jeroen Schot , 2012. # Frans Spiesschaert , 2014. msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: debian-edu-install 1.520\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debian-edu-inst...@packages.debian.org\n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2013-06-07 21:30+0200\n" "PO-Revision-Date: 2014-09-19 14:00+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Debian l10n Dutch \n" "Language: nl\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);\n" "X-Generator: Lokalize 1.4\n" #. Type: text #. Description #. Debian Installer Main-menu Item #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:1001 msgid "Choose Debian Edu profile" msgstr "Toe te passen Debian Edu profiel(en) kiezen" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Main Server" msgstr "Hoofdserver" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Workstation" msgstr "Werkstation" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Roaming Workstation" msgstr "Mobiel werkstation" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Thin Client Server" msgstr "Thin-clientserver" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Standalone" msgstr "Zelfstandige computer" #. Type: multiselect #. Choices #. __Choices: Main-Server, Workstation, Roaming-Workstation, Thin-Client-Server, Standalone, Minimal, Sugar #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2001 msgid "Minimal" msgstr "Minimale installatie" #. Type: multiselect #. Description #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2002 msgid "Profile(s) to apply to this machine:" msgstr "Welke profielen wilt u op deze computer toepassen?" #. Type: multiselect #. Description #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2002 msgid "Profiles determine how the machine can be used out-of-the-box:" msgstr "" "De profielen bepalen welk gebruik men van de computer kan maken zonder verdere " "aanpassingen:" #. Type: multiselect #. Description #. # Translators, do not translate "Sugar" #: ../debian-edu-profile-udeb.templates:2002 msgid "" " - Main Server: reserved for the Debian Edu server. It does not\n" "include any GUI (Graphical User Interface). There\n" "should only be one such server on a Debian Edu\n" "network.\n" " - Workstation: for normal machines on the Debian Edu network.\n" " - Roaming Workstation: for single user machines on the Debian Edu\n" "network which some times travel outside the network.\n" " - Thin Client Server:\n" "includes 'Workstation' and requires two network\n" "cards.\n" " - Standalone: for machines meant to be used outside the Debian Edu\n" "network. It includes a GUI and conflicts with other\n" "profiles.\n" " - Minimal: fully integrated into the Debian Edu network but\n" "contains only a basic system without any GUI." msgstr "" " - Hoofdserver: Voorbehouden aan d
Bug#763639: debian-edu-config: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation of debconf messages
Package: debian-edu-config Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Dear Maintainer, = Please find attached the Dutch translation of debian-edu- config debconf messages. It has been submitted for review to the debian-l10n-dutch mailing list. Please add it to your next package revision. It should be put as debian/po/nl.po in your package build tree. = Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ # Dutch translation of debian-edu-config debconf templates. # Copyright (C) 2005-2014 THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER # This file is distributed under the same license as the debian-edu-config pack age. # # Frans Spiesschaert , 2014. msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: debian-edu-config\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debian-edu-con...@packages.debian.org\n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2013-05-22 15:09+0200\n" "PO-Revision-Date: 2014-09-17 20:24+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Debian l10n Dutch \n" "Language: nl\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" "X-Poedit-Language: Dutch\n" "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);\n" "X-Generator: Lokalize 1.4\n" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:1001 msgid "Should the init.d/update-hostname script run at boot time?" msgstr "" "Wilt u dat het script init.d/update-hostname uitgevoerd wordt tijdens het " "opstarten van het systeem?" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:2001 msgid "Do you want to run enable-nat on your system?" msgstr "Wilt u enable-nat uitvoeren op uw systeem?" #. Type: boolean #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:2001 msgid "" "The enable-nat script activates NAT for your Thin-Clients and overwrites " "your iptables rules." msgstr "" "Het script enable-nat activeert NAT voor uw Thin-Clients en overschrijft uw " "iptables-regels." #. Type: password #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:4001 msgid "Enter the Kerberos KDC master key:" msgstr "Voer de meestersleutel voor Kerberos KDC in:" #. Type: password #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:4001 msgid "" "A password is needed as Kerberos master key and for all default principals. " "You can use your root password or type something else. Make sure you " "remember the password." msgstr "" "U heeft een wachtwoord nodig als Kerberos meestersleutel evenals voor alle " "standaard principals. U kunt uw wachtwoord als rootgebruiker intypen of iets " "anders. Zorg er zeker voor dat u het wachtwoord kunt onthouden." #. Type: password #. Description #. Type: password #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:4001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:9001 msgid "Note that you will not be able to see the password as you type it." msgstr "Noot: het wachtwoord is niet zichtbaar tijdens het typen." #. Type: password #. Description #. Type: password #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:5001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:10001 msgid "Re-enter password to verify:" msgstr "Voer het wachtwoord opnieuw in ter verificatie:" #. Type: password #. Description #. Type: password #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:5001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:10001 msgid "" "Please enter the same password again to verify that you have typed it " "correctly." msgstr "" "Gelieve hetzelfde wachtwoord opnieuw in te typen om te kunnen verifiëren dat " "het juist werd ingetypt." #. Type: error #. Description #. Type: error #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:6001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:11001 msgid "Password input error" msgstr "Fout bij het invoeren van het wachtwoord" #. Type: error #. Description #. Type: error #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:6001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:11001 msgid "The two passwords you entered were not the same. Please try again." msgstr "De twee wachtwoorden die u ingaf waren niet gelijk. Probeer opnieuw." #. Type: error #. Description #. Type: error #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:7001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:12001 msgid "Empty password" msgstr "Leeg wachtwoord" #. Type: error #. Description #. Type: error #. Description #: ../debian-edu-config.templates:7001 ../debian-edu-config.templates:12001 msgid "" "You entered an empty password, which is not all
Bug#765523: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation of debian-edu jessie manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Hi Holger, Please find attached a diff so you can update the Dutch translation of the debian-edu jessie manual. In case you prefer the whole file (gzipped ;-)), just drop me a note. Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ diff --git a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po index aa0c064..0d8bb7b 100644 --- a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po +++ b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po @@ -6,9 +6,9 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2014-10-14 15:18+0300\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-08-08 17:24+0200\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-15 21:53+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" -"Language-Team: Dutch \n" +"Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n" "Language: nl\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" @@ -182,7 +182,6 @@ msgid "Network" msgstr "Het netwerk" #. type: Attribute 'fileref' of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "./images/Debian_Edu_Network_Wheezy.png" msgid "./images/Debian_Edu_Network_Jessie.png" msgstr "./images/Debian_Edu_Network_Wheezy.png" @@ -4694,7 +4693,6 @@ msgstr "" "Wheezy)" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "To upgrade from any older release, you will need to upgrade to the Wheezy-" #| "based Debian Edu release first, before you can follow the instructions " @@ -4718,7 +4716,9 @@ msgstr "" "\"https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Wheezy#\";>Handleiding voor " "Debian Edu Wheezy vindt u de instructies om vanaf de eerdere uitgave " "(Squeeze) naar Wheezy op te waarderen en de Squeeze-handleiding behandelt de " -"opwaardering van de eraan voorafgaande uitgave! (Lenny was haar naam.)" +"opwaardering van de eraan voorafgaande uitgave! (Lenny was haar naam en " +"daarvoor was er zelfs nog een andere, die gebaseerd was op wat men Etch " +"noemde.)" #. type: Content of: msgid "HowTo" @@ -5168,7 +5168,7 @@ msgstr "" #. type: Content of: msgid "Using stable-updates" -msgstr "" +msgstr "Het gebruik van 'stable-updates'" #. type: Content of: msgid "" @@ -5278,7 +5278,6 @@ msgid "Upgrading with a CD or similar image" msgstr "Opwaarderen met behulp van een cd of een gelijksoortig image" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "If you want to upgrade from one version to another (for example from " #| "Jessie 8.0~alpha+edu0 to 7.3+edu1) but you do not have Internet " @@ -5289,8 +5288,8 @@ msgid "" "physical media, follow these steps:" msgstr "" "Indien u wenst op te waarderen van een versie naar een andere (bijvoorbeeld " -"van Jessie 8.0~alpha+edu0 naar 7.3+edu1), maar geen internettoegang heeft en " -"enkel over fysieke media beschikt, gaat u als volgt te werk:" +"van Jessie 8.1+edu0 naar 8.3+edu1), maar geen internettoegang heeft en enkel " +"over fysieke media beschikt, gaat u als volgt te werk:" #. type: Content of: msgid "" @@ -7627,7 +7626,6 @@ msgstr "" " comment=\"Alle leerlingen van de school\"" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "FIXME: it would be even better to first/also explain user groups for " #| "Windows with GOsa² (and then show an example for the command line)" @@ -7746,12 +7744,16 @@ msgid "" "FIXME: Maybe it is better to purge the examples. People who want to use " "roaming profiles should know what they are doing ..." msgstr "" +"FIXME: Maybe it is better to purge the examples. People who want to use " +"roaming profiles should know what they are doing ..." #. type: Content of: msgid "" "Note The examples are outdated since in " "wheezy kerberos was configured for samba too!" msgstr "" +"Noot De voorbeelden zijn verouderd " +"aangezien kerberos in wheezy ook ingesteld was voor samba!" #. type: Content of: msgid "" @@ -8266,7 +8268,6 @@ msgid "Samba in Debian Edu" msgstr "Samba in Debian Edu" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "Samba (v3) in Debian Edu Wheezy has been fully prepared for use as an NT4-" #| "style domain controller with Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows
Bug#766056: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation-update of debian-edu jessie manual
Package: debian-edu-doc
Severity: wishlist
Tags: l10n patch
Hi Holger,
Please find attached a diff so you can update the Dutch
translation of the debian-edu jessie manual.
Groetjes,
Frans
===
www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org
home.base.be/vt6362833/
diff --git a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po
index 52678c4..85b29c2 100644
--- a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po
+++ b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ msgid ""
msgstr ""
"Project-Id-Version: \n"
"POT-Creation-Date: 2014-10-20 10:10+\n"
-"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-15 21:53+0200\n"
+"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-20 15:21+0200\n"
"Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n"
"Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n"
"Language: nl\n"
@@ -781,9 +781,9 @@ msgid ""
"using network-PROM (or PXE) without using the local client hard drive. The "
"thin client setup used is that of the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP)."
msgstr ""
-"Een thin-clientopstelling laat toe om eenvoudige PC's te gebruiken als "
-"(X-)terminals. Dit houdt in dat de machine wordt opgestart met een diskette "
-"of rechtstreeks vanaf de server met behulp van netwerk-PROM (of PXE) zonder "
+"Een thin-clientopstelling laat toe om eenvoudige PC's te gebruiken als (X-)"
+"terminals. Dit houdt in dat de machine wordt opgestart met een diskette of "
+"rechtstreeks vanaf de server met behulp van netwerk-PROM (of PXE) zonder "
"gebruik te maken van de lokale harde schijf. Het thin-clientsysteem dat "
"Skolelinux gebruikt, is dat van het Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP)."
@@ -1602,10 +1602,9 @@ msgid "Select type of installation"
msgstr "Een type van installatie kiezen"
#. type: Attribute 'fileref' of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid "01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
msgid "./images/01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
-msgstr "01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
+msgstr "./images/01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
#. type: Content of:
msgid "Installer boot menu"
@@ -1663,10 +1662,9 @@ msgstr ""
"van het installatieprogramma. "
#. type: Attribute 'fileref' of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid "{{attachment:Installer_advanced_options_a.png}}"
msgid "./images/Installer_advanced_options_a.png"
-msgstr "{{attachment:Installer_advanced_options_a.png}}"
+msgstr "./images/Installer_advanced_options_a.png"
#. type: Content of:
msgid "Installer advanced options screen 1"
@@ -1730,10 +1728,9 @@ msgstr ""
"installatieprogramma doorgegeven worden op een 64-bitcomputer."
#. type: Attribute 'fileref' of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid "{{attachment:Installer_advanced_options_b.png}}"
msgid "./images/Installer_advanced_options_b.png"
-msgstr "{{attachment:Installer_advanced_options_b.png}}"
+msgstr "./images/Installer_advanced_options_b.png"
#. type: Content of:
msgid "Installer advanced options screen 2"
@@ -1796,10 +1793,9 @@ msgstr ""
"installatieprogramma doorgegeven worden."
#. type: Attribute 'fileref' of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid "./images/alert.png"
msgid "./images/Installer_help.png"
-msgstr "./images/alert.png"
+msgstr "./images/Installer_help.png"
#. type: Content of:
msgid "Installer help screen"
@@ -1922,7 +1918,6 @@ msgstr ""
"als opstartparameter van de kernel."
#. type: Content of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid ""
#| "To install the Xfce desktop instead, "
#| "add desktop=xfce to the kernel boot "
@@ -1932,9 +1927,9 @@ msgid ""
"instead, add desktop=mate to the kernel "
"boot parameters."
msgstr ""
-"Om de Xfce bureaubladomgeving te "
-"installeren, moet u desktop=xfce toevoegen "
-"als opstartparameter van de kernel."
+"En om in plaats daarvan de MATE "
+"bureaubladomgeving te installeren, moet u desktop=mate toevoegen als opstartparameter van de kernel."
#. type: Content of:
msgid "The installation process"
@@ -2599,242 +2594,217 @@ msgid "01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
msgstr "01-Installer_boot_menu.png"
#. type: Attribute 'fileref' of:
-#, fuzzy
#| msgid "02-select_a_language.png"
msgid "./images/02-select_a_language.png"
-msgstr "02-select_a_language.png"
+msgstr "./images/02-select_a_language.png"
#. type: Content of:
msgid "02-select_a_language.png"
msgstr &
Bug#766627: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation-update of debian-edu jessie manual
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Hi Holger, With the attached changes applied, the Dutch translation should have to be perfectly up-to-date (at least for the moment ;-). Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ diff --git a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po index 5cc6f45..bad0b14 100644 --- a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po +++ b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2014-10-23 08:53+\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-20 15:21+0200\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-24 14:51+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n" "Language: nl\n" @@ -2179,6 +2179,9 @@ msgid "" "device in the installer at the end of the installation. This is the case " "even if the system has only one disk." msgstr "" +"Installatie van de bootloader van Grub: Momenteel moet men op het einde van " +"de installatie het apparaat handmatig selecteren. Dit is zelfs het geval als " +"het systeem slechts een schijf heeft." #. type: Content of: msgid "Be happy" @@ -3559,11 +3562,13 @@ msgid "" "net groupmap add unixgroup=NEW_GROUP type=domain ntgroup=\"NEW_GROUP\"\\\n" " comment=\"DESCRIPTION OF NEW GROUP\"" msgstr "" -"# Toon de lijst van bestaande UNIX-groepen en de overeenkomstige Windowsgroepen.\n" +"# Toon de lijst van bestaande UNIX-groepen en de overeenkomstige " +"Windowsgroepen.\n" "net groupmap list\n" "\n" "# Voeg uw nieuwe groepen of andere ontbrekende groepen toe:\n" -"net groupmap add unixgroup=NIEUWE_GROEP type=domain ntgroup=\"NIEUWE_GROEP\"\\\n" +"net groupmap add unixgroup=NIEUWE_GROEP type=domain " +"ntgroup=\"NIEUWE_GROEP\"\\\n" " comment=\"BESCHRIJVING VAN DE NIEUWE_GROEP\"" #. type: Content of: @@ -3683,16 +3688,20 @@ msgstr "" #. type: CDATA #, no-wrap msgid "" -"root@tjener:~# sitesummary2ldapdhcp -a -i ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7 -t workstations\n" -"info: Create GOsa machine for auto-mac-00-04-76-d3-28-b7.intern [10.0.16.21] id ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7.\n" +"root@tjener:~# sitesummary2ldapdhcp -a -i ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7 -t " +"workstations\n" +"info: Create GOsa machine for auto-mac-00-04-76-d3-28-b7.intern [10.0.16.21] " +"id ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7.\n" "\n" "Enter password if you want to activate these changes, and ^c to abort.\n" "\n" "Connecting to LDAP as cn=admin,ou=ldap-access,dc=skole,dc=skolelinux,dc=no\n" "enter password:" msgstr "" -"root@tjener:~# sitesummary2ldapdhcp -a -i ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7 -t workstations\n" -"info: Create GOsa machine for auto-mac-00-04-76-d3-28-b7.intern [10.0.16.21] id ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7.\n" +"root@tjener:~# sitesummary2ldapdhcp -a -i ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7 -t " +"workstations\n" +"info: Create GOsa machine for auto-mac-00-04-76-d3-28-b7.intern [10.0.16.21] " +"id ether-00:04:76:d3:28:b7.\n" "\n" "Enter password if you want to activate these changes, and ^c to abort.\n" "\n" @@ -4661,7 +4670,6 @@ msgid "General notes on upgrading" msgstr "Algemene opmerkingen over opwaarderingen" #. type: Content of: -#, fuzzy #| msgid "" #| "Upgrading Debian from one distribution to the next is generally rather " #| "easy. For Debian Edu this is unfortunately not yet true as we heavily " @@ -4675,10 +4683,10 @@ msgid "" "org/311188#\">311188 for more information.) Upgrading is still " "possible but may require some work." msgstr "" -"Meestal verloopt het opwaarderen van de ene Debian-versie naar een volgende " +"Meestal verloopt het opwaarderen van een uitgave naar de volgende " "redelijk gemakkelijk. Jammer genoeg is dit bij Debian Edu nog niet het " -"geval, omdat we sommige configuratiebestanden grondig aanpassen op een " -"manier die eigenlijk niet aangewezen is. (Meer informatie vindt u in het " +"geval, omdat we configuratiebestanden aanpassen op manieren" +"die we eigenlijk niet zou mogen gebruiken. (Meer informatie vindt u in het " "bugrapport nummer https://bugs.debian.org/311188#\";>311188 van Debian
Bug#771231: debian-edu-doc: [INTL:nl] Dutch translations of debian-edu wheezy and jessie manuals
Package: debian-edu-doc Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Hi Holger, Please find attached two diffs. One to use as a patch for the wheezy manual. The other is meant for patching the jessie manual. First of all I updated the fuzzy and new strings. But I also went through the text entirely and fixed some typos and in a few places applied some small improvements to the translation. Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ diff --git a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po index dff1325..54204df 100644 --- a/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po +++ b/documentation/debian-edu-jessie/debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po @@ -6,9 +6,9 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2014-11-24 21:54+0100\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-10-24 14:51+0200\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2014-11-27 18:28+0100\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" -"Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n" +"Language-Team: Dutch \n" "Language: nl\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" @@ -127,8 +127,8 @@ msgstr "" "http://www.skolelinux.org\";>Skolelinux is een " "Linuxdistributie die door het Debian Edu project gemaakt wordt. Als een " "zogenaamde http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends\";>Debian " -"Pure Blends distributie (een gebruiksklaar geheel van " -"Debianpakketten) heeft ze de status van officieel subproject van distributie (een gebruiksklaar geheel van Debian " +"pakketten) heeft ze de status van officieel subproject van http://www.debian.org\";>Debian." #. type: Content of: @@ -150,9 +150,9 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Op 2 juli 2001 ging in Noorwegen het Skolelinux project van start en " "ongeveer gelijktijdig begon Raphaël Hertzog in Frankrijk met Debian-Edu. " -"Sinds 2003 zijn beide projecten eengemaakt. Beide benamingen bleven behouden " -"omdat \"Skole\" en (Debian-)\"Education\" in de betrokken landen goed " -"ingeburgerde termen zijn." +"Sinds 2003 zijn beide projecten één gemaakt. Beide benamingen bleven " +"behouden omdat \"Skole\" en (Debian-)\"Education\" in de betrokken landen " +"goed ingeburgerde termen zijn." #. type: Content of: msgid "" @@ -237,7 +237,7 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Om de standaardconfiguratie van Skolelinux zo eenvoudig mogelijk te houden, " "wordt de verbinding met het internet door een afzonderlijke router verzorgd. " -"Hoewel het mogelijk is om een Debiancomputer ook via een modem of via een " +"Hoewel het mogelijk is om een Debian computer ook via een modem of via een " "ISDN-verbinding toegang tot het internet te verlenen, was het niet onze " "bedoeling om een dergelijke configuratie binnen Skolelinux automatisch " "mogelijk te maken. De aanpassingen aan de standaardsituatie die hiervoor " @@ -268,9 +268,9 @@ msgid "" "terminal server." msgstr "" "Deze initiële opzet is bedoeld om te worden aangepast. Dit betekent dat u de " -"NFS-root in syslinux kan laten wijzen naar één van de LTSP-servers of dat u " +"NFS-root in syslinux kunt laten wijzen naar één van de LTSP-servers of dat u " "via het instellen van de optie next-server van DHCP (opgeslagen in LDAP) " -"clients rechtstreeks via PXE kan laten opstarten van de terminalserver." +"clients rechtstreeks via PXE kunt laten opstarten van de terminalserver." #. type: Content of: msgid "" @@ -279,9 +279,9 @@ msgid "" "should seldom need to be changed." msgstr "" "Op de LTSP-servers bedient de DHCP-server via de tweede netwerkkaart enkel " -"een gereserveerd netwerk (192.168.0.0/24 en 192.168.1.0/24 zijn de " -"voorgeconfigureerde opties). Slechts uitzonderlijk zal men hieraan iets " -"moeten veranderen." +"een gereserveerd netwerk (192.168.0.0/24 en 192.168.1.0/24 zijn de vooraf " +"geconfigureerde opties). Slechts uitzonderlijk zal men hieraan iets moeten " +"veranderen." #. type: Content of: msgid "The configuration of all subnets is stored in LDAP." @@ -342,7 +342,7 @@ msgid "" "text." msgstr "" "Uit veiligheidsoverwegingen worden alle verbindingen waarover wachtwoorden " -"verzonden worden, versleuteld. Geen enkel wachtwoord wordt als platte tekst " +"verzonden worden, versleuteld. Geen enk
Re: debian-edu-doc 1.6~20141224~8.0+edu0~alpha1: Please update debconf PO translation for the package debian-edu-doc
Hi Holger, Op 17-12-14 10:10:35 schreef Debian Edu Developers: > Hi, > > You are noted as the last translator of the debconf > translation for > debian-edu-doc. The English template has been changed, > and > now some messages > are marked "fuzzy" in your translation or are missing. > I would be grateful if you could take the time and update > it. > Please send the updated file to me, or submit it as a > wishlist bug > against debian-edu-doc. > > The deadline for receiving the updated translation is > Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:10:16 +. > > Thanks in advance, > Holger > > Enclosed you may find the updated translation of the audacity manual. I noticed that your message didn't made it to the debian- edu nor to the debian-l10n-dutch mailing list (attachment to big?). I also stumbled upon a typo in string $88 of the English template: s/some files from from Git/some files from Git/ would remove it. Groetjes, Frans === www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org home.base.be/vt6362833/ audacity-manual.nl.po.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data pgpI8zeb8b63z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#774574: debian-edu-install: [INTL:nl] Dutch translation of debconf messages
Package: debian-edu-install Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch Hi, Please find attached an updated Dutch translation for the debconf messages of Debian-edu-install. The update should cope with the 'not-up-to-date-po-file' error as reported on https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/nl. In the mean time I tried to optimize the layout for the translation of message #10. -- Groetjes, Frans === http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ nl.po.gz Description: application/gzip
Should I become a debian-edu alioth project member?
Hi, Until now I updated Dutch translations of DebianEdu documentation through bug reports against the debian-edu-doc package. Do you think it would be a good idea for me to become a member of the debian-edu alioth project in order to be able to push translation updates directly into the git repo? Last year I created a frans-guest alioth account in order to be able to upload the translation for the debian-installer debconf templates. But eventually I never activated it (never asked to become a member of the debian-installer alioth team) because a member of the Debian Dutch l10n team with an active alioth account uploaded the translation updates on my behalf. Cheers, Frans === http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Should I become a debian-edu alioth project member?
Hi Petter, Holger, Op zaterdag 17 januari 2015 14:42:34 schreef u: > Hi Frans, > > On Freitag, 16. Januar 2015, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > Absolutely. I believe it might save everyone some time better spent. :) > > I fully agree! :-) > > > yay & cheers, > Holger Do I need to take any action? Cheers, Frans === http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: debian-edu-doc 1.6~20150318~8+edu0~alpha2: Please update debconf PO translation for the package debian-edu-doc
Hi, I messed things up and need help. When I tried to push the updated Dutch translation today, it was rejected. I then issued a git fetch command and tried to push again, but with no success. Eventually a issued git push origin HEAD:4d2597f4eb2451071bd290f5014585f7ae770ae3 which created a new branch and that was not what I intended to do. How can I revert this push action? Debian Edu Developers schreef op di 10-03-2015 om 13:38 [+]: > Hi, > > You are noted as the last translator of the debconf translation for > debian-edu-doc. The English template has been changed, and now some messages > are marked "fuzzy" in your translation or are missing. > I would be grateful if you could take the time and update it. > Please send the updated file to me, or submit it as a wishlist bug > against debian-edu-doc. > > The deadline for receiving the updated translation is > Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:37:18 +. > > Thanks in advance, > Holger > > -- Groetjes, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: debian-edu-doc 1.6~20150318~8+edu0~alpha2: Please update debconf PO translation for the package debian-edu-doc
Hi Holger Holger Levsen schreef op wo 18-03-2015 om 16:24 [+0100]: > Hi Frans, > > On Mittwoch, 18. März 2015, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > you delete branches by pushing them with a colon prefixed, so > > git push origin foo # pushes branch foo to origin > git push origin :foo # deletes branch foo at origin > > so git push origin :4d2597f4eb2451071bd290f5014585f7ae770ae3 should be what > you need to do. > Thank you for the information. I deleted the branch now and pushed the updated Dutch translation into master. My confusion and mistake is due to the fact that I don't know well how to manage a situation wherein I have modified locally debian-edu-jessie-manual.nl.po, and while these modifications are under review, that same file also gets modified remotely. > > cheers, > Holger -- Groetjes, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Two ltsp subnets on combiserver.
uday bhatye schreef op do 03-09-2015 om 22:34 [+0530]: > Namaskar, > > We have combiserver (wheezy) with an onboard nic and two more pci-e > nics. For some reason, I want two separate ltsp subnets from it. > > The problem is, third nic (eth2) is not getting configured in > automatically. > > Made sure that's not a h/w failure. I'm I missing something important? > > Regards, > > UDAY You should do the following: 1. Add the following lines to /etc/network/interfaces: > auto eth2 iface eth2 inet static address 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 2. Add the folowing line at the end of /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server INTERFACES="$INTERFACES eth2" Alternativeliy you could in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server replace the lines INTERFACES="eth0" INTERFACES="$INTERFACES eth1" INTERFACES="$INTERFACES eth2" with the following line: INTERFACES="eth0 eth1 eth2" 3. Add the second thin client network in LDAP using ldapvi. Use the way the first thin client is set up in LDAP as an example. Hope this helps. -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Two ltsp subnets on combiserver.
Hi Wolfgang, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op vr 04-09-2015 om 10:22 [+0200]: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 12:13:21AM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > > 3. Add the second thin client network in LDAP using ldapvi. Use the way > > the first thin client is set up in LDAP as an example. > > The subnet 192.168.1.0/24 is already completely configured in LDAP. As far as I can see it is indeed configured in /etc/ldap/gosa-server.ldif, but it is not in /etc/ldap/ipnetworks.ldif. -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: crash on thin client
Hi, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op di 08-09-2015 om 16:14 [+0200]: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 04:09:54PM +0200, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > > I tried "LANG=C ltsp-chroot -c -a i386 aptitude install", which did work to > > install the packages. I guess the -m option fails to unmount when done? > > I've always used apt-get instead of aptitude. Maybe the behaviour > differs. I always use apt-get and today I experienced for the first time the same problem as Simon describes. It happend after an 'apt-get update' on the tjener, which pulled in quite a lot of packages. When I thereafter ran 'LC_ALL=C TMP= TMPDIR= /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot -m -a i386 apt-get -y update' the update happend as expected, but the execution of the command ended with the following message: umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/proc: target is busy (In some cases useful info about processes that use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).) Couldn't unmount /opt/ltsp/i386/proc. umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/dev: target is busy (In some cases useful info about processes that use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).) Couldn't unmount /opt/ltsp/i386/dev. So I suppose the assertion of Simon (about failing to unmount) is correct. I did not had the time yet to further investigate which package upgrade could be the culprit. > > Wolfgang > -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: crash on thin client
Wolfgang Schweer schreef op di 08-09-2015 om 17:51 [+0200]: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 04:55:14PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > I always use apt-get > > and today I experienced for the first time the same problem as Simon > > describes. > > It happend after an 'apt-get update' on the tjener, which pulled in > > quite a lot of packages. > > When I thereafter ran 'LC_ALL=C TMP= TMPDIR= /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot -m -a > > i386 apt-get -y update' the update happend as expected, but the > > execution of the command ended with the following message: > > > > umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/proc: target is busy > > (In some cases useful info about processes that > > use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).) > > Couldn't unmount /opt/ltsp/i386/proc. > > umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/dev: target is busy > > (In some cases useful info about processes that > > use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).) > > Couldn't unmount /opt/ltsp/i386/dev. > > > > So I suppose the assertion of Simon (about failing to unmount) is > > correct. > > > > I did not had the time yet to further investigate which package upgrade > > could be the culprit. > > I'm unable to reproduce it in a Debian Edu VirtualBox network. Tested on > a combi server installed yesterday using the recent USB ISO image and > updating a combi server installed some time ago. No idea why it differs. Today I tried to reproduce the problem, but I could not make it occur any more. Everything kept going smoothly. Can't imagine what caused the problem yesterday. -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: translations of applications
Hi Simon, High quality localisation is an important asset for educational software. So I think you pay attention to it with good reason. Simon Oosthoek schreef op di 15-09-2015 om 10:29 [+0200]: > Hi all > > I recently noticed that progress on translations in applications like > gcompris or childsplay is miserably slow. As far as gcompris is concerned, I can't agree with you. In Debian gcompris is 100% translated to Dutch (please search for gcompris at https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/nl). Maybe you should check your localisation settings if you encounter difficulties in using this program in Dutch. Childsplay is another story, because it's development is slowing down. But a few months ago a full Dutch translation has been submitted to it's developer and to the Debian maintainer of the package. You'll just have to await a new upload of the package. > (my experience is limited to the dutch translations, but I dare to > generalise in this case ;-) You can check for it at https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/. > > As translating isn't something that should require programming skills, I > wonder if there's some missing infrastructure to help "ordinary" parents > to help translating these applications? Indeed > > I wonder if there's a way to make this easier in general (not just for > one or a few applications), is anyone aware of efforts to do this? > Within Debian localisation efforts are mainly focussed on those parts that are specific for the distribution. Coordination is done in general at https://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ and specifically for Dutch at https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-dutch/. The localisation of application software mainly happens upstream from Debian. Applications that build tightly upon the specific libraries of a desktop environment (such as Gnome or KDE) are generally dealt with by the translation group of that environment. E.g. http://l10n.kde.org/ and for Dutch http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=nl. For Gnome you may refer to https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ and for Dutch to https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/nl/. Besides that other localisation efforts for open source software exist. There is the Dutch team of the Translation project (http://translationproject.org/html/welcome.html) at http://translationproject.org/team/nl.html. There is also the software translation effort at Launchpad.net (https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/nl for Dutch). One has also https://www.transifex.com/customers/open-source/, another translation platform for the Open Source Community. Finally some software developers prefer to coordinate the localisation efforts for their software by themselves. And generally all these efforts welcome more contributors. Hope this helps. > Cheers > > Simon > -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: translations of applications
Simon Oosthoek schreef op wo 16-09-2015 om 09:56 [+0200]: > I wonder if there's a way to get a newer version of > gcompris+translations on wheezy? Is it in backports? It isn't. A list of packages in wheezy-backports is available at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages. -- Cheers, Frans === http://www.frans-spiesschaert.homenet.org http://home.base.be/vt6362833/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Corner use cases with ltsp clients feasible or not?
Hi, Should it be feasible to play an audio CD from a thin client cd drive and to use a bluetooth sound device with a thin client? I tried using ltsp-localapps and setting some group memberships in /etc/security/group.conf but without success. -- Cheers, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [LTSP] The home pages are not available at the address http://www/~username/
Hi Yannick, yannick rousseau schreef op do 12-01-2017 om 13:10 [-0400]: > Hello > > I'm using debian-edu (Jessie). The clients are connected on tjener via > LTSP (diskless). > Eveything is ok except one thing: the home pages of users are not > available at the address http://www/~username/: > For example, with the user name tt, the answer is: You don't have > permission to access /~tt/ on this server. The address http://servername/~username/ should do it. If you did not change the server name you can use http://tjener.intern/~tt or http://tjener/~tt. > > Thanks for help. > -- Cheers, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [LTSP] The home pages are not available at the address http://www/~username/
Hi Yannick, yannick rousseau schreef op vr 13-01-2017 om 12:35 [-0400]: > Hello Frans, and thank you for help. > > > It doesn't work with all the adress you asked me to test (I did not > change the server name) : > > http://tjener.intern/~tt => You don't have permission to > access /~peperu on this server > http://tjener/~tt. => You don't have permission to access /~peperu on > this server > > > The same log in tjener: > # grep tt /var/log/apache2/error.log > [Fri Jan 13 12:33:27.714278 2017] [authz_core:error] [pid 7300] > [client 10.0.16.101:46601] AH01630: client denied by server > configuration: /skole/tjener/home0/tt/public_html The error message "[authz_core:error] client denied by server configuration" is most likely due to a apache2 server misconfiguration. I noticed from your previous mail that your debian-edu-userdir.conf slightly differs from what is shipped with debian-edu jessie. * Did you modify other apache2 settings? * Do you have a /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/debian-edu-userdir.conf on tjener which should be a symlink to /etc/apache2/mods-available/debian-edu-userdir.conf? * Do you have a /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/debian-edu-userdir.load on tjener which should be a symlink to /etc/apache2/mods-available/debian-edu-userdir.load? * Which version of apache2 are you using? * If you are using configuration settings which are copied from apache 2.2 examples, you should read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html. The apache2 developers made significant changes in authorization configuration between versions 2.2 and 2.4. Please use the debian-edu list when replying so other users can also benefit from you trying to solve this issue. > > > > 2017-01-12 15:17 GMT-04:00 Frans Spiesschaert > : > Hi Yannick, > > yannick rousseau schreef op do 12-01-2017 om 13:10 [-0400]: > > Hello > > > > I'm using debian-edu (Jessie). The clients are connected on > tjener via > > LTSP (diskless). > > Eveything is ok except one thing: the home pages of users > are not > > available at the address http://www/~username/: > > For example, with the user name tt, the answer is: You don't > have > > permission to access /~tt/ on this server. > > The address http://servername/~username/ should do it. > If you did not change the server name you can use > http://tjener.intern/~tt or > http://tjener/~tt. > > > > > Thanks for help. > > > > -- Cheers, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re: [LTSP] The home pages are not available at the address http://www/~username/
Hi Yannick, yannick rousseau schreef op zo 15-01-2017 om 11:46 [-0400]: > Hello > > Here are the answers to your qustions: > > * Did you modify other apache2 settings? > > I didn't modify myself any apache2 settings. But I'v updated tjener several > times (when apt asks me to keep a configuration > file or install the new one ,I always choose to keep the old one (except for > Gosa.conf) ) So you probably also had a Wheezy to Jessie upgrade and missed https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Jessie#Known_problems_we_ought_to_fix_but_which_can_be_worked_around_easily as Wolfgang pointed out in a previous mail. In that case, as described on that page, you just need to perform the following 3 actions: 1. Adjust the content of /etc/apache2/mods-available/debian-edu-userdir.conf to be like this: UserDir public_html UserDir disabled root AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Require all granted Require all denied 2. Run 'a2enmod debian-edu-userdir' to enable the configuration. 3. Run 'service apache2 restart'. -- Cheers, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re: Re: [LTSP] The home pages are not available at the address http://www/~username/
Hi Yannick, yannick rousseau schreef op ma 16-01-2017 om 09:07 [-0400]: > Hello > > > I did what Wolfgang suggested: > => But I doesn't work: > You don't have permission to access /~tt/ on this server > and: > # grep tt /var/log/apache2/error.log > > [Mon Jan 16 08:54:01.190221 2017] [core:error] [pid 23725] (13)Permission > denied: [client 10.0.16.23:59678] > AH00035: access to /~peperu denied (filesystem path > '/skole/tjener/home0/tt/public_html') > because search permissions are missing on a component of the path You've almost managed to solve your problem. The only remaining issue seems to be a directory in your path having to restrictive permissions. See https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/13PermissionDenied for some clarification. A possible reason in your case may be that tt is the home directory of the so called "first user". It's permission is typically set to 700. Quoting https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Jessie/AllInOne: "During installation of the main server a first user account was created. In the following text this account will be referenced as "first user". This account is special, as there's no Samba account (can be added via GOsa²), the home directory permission is set to 700 (so chmod o+x ~ is needed to make personal web pages accessible), and the first user can use sudo to become root." Another possible reason may be a to restrictive umask setting in /etc/pam.d/common-session. See "3.2.2. File system access configuration" in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Jessie/AllInOne. -- Cheers, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: release announcement draft
Hi, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op do 13-04-2017 om 14:31 [+0200]: > attached as raw .wml file > > Related git URL: > https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/publicity/announcements.git/tree/en/drafts/debian-edu-stretch-release.wml > Will the final announcement also be posted to https://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ with a call for translations or do I already need to prepare a translation right now? > Wolfgang -- Regards, Frans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Debian Edu Stretch release announcement: Dutch translation
Hi, I prepared a Dutch translation for the Debian Edu Stretch release announcement (wml file attached). While I'm not a DD nor a member of the publicity team, I'm looking for someone willing to sponsor it. Note that in the announcements.git tree a nl folder and a drafts subfolder still have to be created. -- Regards, Frans Debian Edu / Skolelinux Stretch — een volledige Linuxoplossing voor uw school 2017-06-17 #use wml::debian::news ## Translators should uncomment the following line and add their name ## Leaving translation at 1.1 is okay; that's the first version which will ## be added to Debian's webwml repository ## #use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.1" maintainer="Frans Spiesschaert" Moet u een computerlabo of een volledig schoolnetwerk beheren? Wilt u servers, werkstations en laptops installeren die onderling samenwerken? Wenst u de stabiliteit van Debian met reeds vooraf geconfigureerde netwerkdiensten? Wilt u systemen en verschillende honderden of zelfs meer gebruikersaccounts beheren met een webtoepassing? Heeft u zich al afgevraagd of en hoe u oudere computers kunt blijven gebruiken? Dan is Debian Edu iets voor u. Leerkrachten zelf of de technische dienst van de school kunnen op enkele dagen tijd een volledige leeromgeving ontplooien voor veel gebruikers en met veel computers. Debian Edu wordt geleverd met honderden vooraf geïnstalleerde toepassingen, maar u kunt er steeds nog andere pakketten uit Debian aan toevoegen. Het team van ontwikkelaars van Debian Edu is verheugd Debian Edu 9 Stretch te kunnen aankondigen, de eerste uitgave van Debian Edu / Skolelinux die volledig gebaseerd is op de uitgave van Debian 9 Stretch. Misschien kunt u deze uitgave uittesten en ons uw bevindingen laten weten (<debian-edu@lists.debian.org>) om ons zo te helpen ze nog verder te verbeteren. Over Debian Edu en Skolelinux http://www.skolelinux.org/";>Debian Edu, ook bekend als Skolelinux, is een op Debian gebaseerde Linux-distributie met een gebruiksklare omgeving van een volledig vooraf geconfigureerd schoolnetwerk. Onmiddellijk na installatie wordt een schoolserver opgezet waarop alle diensten actief zijn die men in een schoolnetwerk nodig heeft. Er moeten dan nog enkel gebruikers en computers in het systeem ingevoerd worden via GOsa², een comfortabele webinterface. Er staat een omgeving ter beschikking om computers over het netwerk op te starten, waardoor na de initiële installatie van de centrale server via een CD of USB-stick, alle andere computers over het netwerk geïnstalleerd kunnen worden. Oudere computers (zelfs tot ongeveer tien jaar oud) kunnen gebruikt worden als LTSP thin clients of schijfloze werkstations, die over het netwerk opstarten en geen enkele installatie behoeven. De schoolserver van Debian Edu gebruikt een LDAP databank en een Kerberos authenticatiedienst, heeft gecentraliseerde persoonlijke mappen, een DHCP-server, webproxy en vele andere services. De grafische werkomgeving bevat meer dan 60 pakketten met educatieve software en in het Debian-archief zijn er nog meer te vinden. Scholen kunnen kiezen uit de grafische werkomgevingen KDE Plasma, GNOME, LXDE, MATE en Xfce. Nieuwe functionaliteit in Debian Edu 9 Stretch Hierna volgen enkele elementen uit de aantekeningen bij de uitgave van Debian Edu 9 Stretch, die gebaseerd is op de uitgave van Debian 9 Stretch. De volledige lijst is een onderdeel van de handleiding. Standaard wordt Plymouth geïnstalleerd en geactiveerd, behalve voor het profiel 'Hoofdserver' en het 'Minimale' profiel. Icinga vervangt Nagios als controle-instrument. LTSP gebruikt nu NBD in plaats van NFS voor het basisbestandssysteem. Er bestaat nu ook een Japanse vertaling van de handleiding. Downloadmogelijkheden, installatiestappen en handleiding Een multi-architectuurimage voor op CD / USB-stick (649 MiB) waarmee over het netwerk opgestart kan worden kan gedownload worden van de volgende lokaties: http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/stretch-release/debian-edu-9+edu0-CD.iso> rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/stretch-release/debian-edu-9+edu0-CD.iso Er is eveneens een uitgebreid image beschikbaar voor DVD / USB-stick (5.4 GiB), waarop meer software staat (waardoor tijdens de installatie minder downloadtijd nodig is): http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/stretch-release/debian-edu-9+edu0-USB.iso> rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/stretch-release/debian-edu-9+edu0-USB.iso De images kunnen geverifieerd worden met het bestand SHA256SUMS.asc dat de ondertekende checksums van de images bevat; zie http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/stretch-release/SHA256SUMS.asc> Na het downloaden van een image, kunt u controleren of de checksum ervan overeenkomt met de volgens het checksumbestand verwachte checksum; en of er niet geknoeid werd met het checksumbestand. Meer informatie over het uitvoer
Re: How to add another keyboard layout globally?
Hi Roman, roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op di 10-10-2017 om 14:25 [+0200]: > Hi folks, > > I did a few tests with KDE Plasma and to add keyboards is easy using > “Keyboard - System Settings Module”. This approach works perfectly > for an > individual user, who wants to use KDE. > > However, I’m rather looking for a way to change the default settings > and > add another keyboard layout for all users and all desktop > environments. see /etc/default/keyboard for system wide keyboard layouts. > > How is this done? see man keyboard (also with some examples). > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to remove desktop environments from the server
Hi Roman, roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op wo 01-11-2017 om 15:16 [+0100]: > Hi folks, > > To add desktop environments is well documented and works well e.g. > using > 'apt install education-desktop-lxde'. > > However, how are they removed again? > > You can run 'apt remove education-desktop-lxde' but this doesn’t > remove > lxde in my setup. education-desktop-lxde is a metapackage that pulls in various LXDE components and lightweight desktop applications upon installation. When you remove education-desktop-lxde, you just remove the metapackage and not the packages that have been pulled in by it. In order to remove those packages, you should run apt-get autoremove. This command removes all packages that have been installed to fulfil a dependency but upon which no package depends any longer. > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Switching to another desktop environment when using remote desktop connection
Hi Roman, roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op wo 01-11-2017 om 12:42 [+0100]: > Hi folks, > > Currently I’m somehow stuck with lxde that I have recently added on > the > server. > > Is there a way to switch to another desktop environment, e.g. Kde as > it > was before I installed lxde? Just install education-desktop-kde if it hasn't already been. > > Is there something like a session selector available allowing the > user to > choose from any of the desktop environments installed on the server? Then just select your preferred desktop environment via the Preferences menu at the login screen. > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Configuration settings of wicd daemon when adding lxde desktop environment on server
Hi Roman, roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op wo 01-11-2017 om 12:16 [+0100]: > Hi folks, > > When adding lxde manually to the server I’m getting a configuration > box of > wicd-daemon asking which users to add to the netdev group. > > Options are the following: > -Administrator > -mm (a teacher user I have added) > -newstudent > -newtacher > -roman (first user) > > What options do I need to tick here? Quoting https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups: "netdev: Members of this group can manage network interfaces through the network manager and wicd." So normally no one has to be added. > > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Switching to another desktop environment when using remote desktop connection
roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op do 02-11-2017 om 00:03 [+0100]: > > Hi Roman, > > > > roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op wo 01-11-2017 om 12:42 [+0100]: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Currently I’m somehow stuck with lxde that I have recently > > > added on > > > the > > > server. > > > > > > Is there a way to switch to another desktop environment, e.g. Kde > > > as > > > it > > > was before I installed lxde? > > > > Just install education-desktop-kde if it hasn't already been. > > > > > > > > Is there something like a session selector available allowing the > > > user to > > > choose from any of the desktop environments installed on the > > > server? > > > > Then just select your preferred desktop environment via the > > Preferences > > menu at the login screen. > > Hi Frans, > > Sorry for not making myself clearer. The issue at hand occurs when a > user > connects to the server on windows using remote desktop connection. Of this, I have no experience, sorry. > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to change the default browser?
roman.me...@gismap.ch schreef op vr 03-11-2017 om 14:07 [+0100]: > > > Anyway, to come back to my original question. Is there a way to > change the > default browser from Firefox e.g. to Chromium for all users? > This is accomplished by the alternatives system. See for an introduction to this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives You also may find some clues in https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html#s- diverse -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[RFR] Bijgewerkte vertaling van de handleiding voor Debian-Edu stretch
Dag iedereen, De handleiding en de Nederlandse vertaling ervan werden bijgewerkt in het git-archief. In bijlage het diff-bestand met het verschil met de situatie op het moment van de vorige bijwerking van de Nederlandse vertaling. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Frans Spiesschaert diff --git a/documentation/debian-edu-stretch/debian-edu-stretch-manual.nl.po b/documentation/debian-edu-stretch/debian-edu-stretch-manual.nl.po index 48977fe0..ff2c3f73 100644 --- a/documentation/debian-edu-stretch/debian-edu-stretch-manual.nl.po +++ b/documentation/debian-edu-stretch/debian-edu-stretch-manual.nl.po @@ -6,8 +6,8 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: debian-edu-stretch-manual\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debian-edu-...@packages.debian.org\n" -"POT-Creation-Date: 2017-10-08 20:36+\n" -"PO-Revision-Date: 2017-10-20 13:05+0200\n" +"POT-Creation-Date: 2017-11-04 21:32+\n" +"PO-Revision-Date: 2017-11-05 12:06+0100\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n" "Language: nl\n" @@ -636,13 +636,6 @@ msgstr "" "te houden over de toegang tot het internet van individuele machines." #. type: Content of: msgid "" "Network configuration on the clients is done automatically using DHCP. All " "types of clients can be connected to the private 10.0.0.0/8 subnet and will " @@ -1143,9 +1136,6 @@ msgstr "" "type x86 hebben." #. type: Content of: msgid "" "At least 12 GiB RAM for 30 thin clients and 20 GiB RAM for 50-60 thin " "clients are recommended for the main and LTSP server profiles." @@ -1154,10 +1144,6 @@ msgstr "" "wordt aanbevolen voor de profielen hoofdserver en LTSP-server." #. type: Content of: msgid "" "Thin clients with only 256 MiB RAM and 400 MHz are possible, though more RAM " "and faster processors are recommended." @@ -1190,10 +1176,6 @@ msgstr "" "netwerk." #. type: Content of: msgid "" "For workstations, diskless workstations and standalone systems, 1000 MHz and " "512 MiB RAM are the absolute minimum requirements. For running modern " @@ -5773,9 +5755,6 @@ msgstr "Backports gebruiken is zeer eenvoudig:" #. type: CDATA #, no-wrap msgid "" "echo \"deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main\" >> /etc/apt/sources.list\n" "apt-get update" @@ -6838,12 +6817,6 @@ msgid "A note for more complex setups" msgstr "Een noot over meer complexe opstellingen" #. type: Content of: msgid "" "If LTSP clients were attached to the backbone network 10.0.0.0/8 (combi " "server or LTSP cluster setup) things would be even more complicated and " @@ -6925,66 +6898,18 @@ msgid "Flash" msgstr "Flash" #. type: Content of: msgid "" "The free software flash-player gnash is " -"installed by default. Installing a non-free flash player is an option. " -"Please note that upgrading is special in this case." +"installed by default. Please note that Firefox ESR will drop Flash support " +"early 2018." msgstr "" "De uit vrije software bestaande flash-player gnash wordt standaard geïnstalleerd. Een niet-vrije flash-player " -"installeren blijft nog steeds een mogelijkheid. Gelieve te noteren dat in " -"dit geval opwaarderen op een bijzondere manier verloopt." - -#. type: Content of: -msgid "" -"To install the (non-free) Adobe Flash Player web browser plugin, install the " -"flashplugin-nonfree Debian package from " -"contrib. This requires " -"contrib enabled in /etc/apt/" -"sources.list. Use update-flashplugin-" -"nonfree --status to check for a newer version and " -"update-flashplugin-nonfree --install to " -"install it." -msgstr "" -"Om de (niet-vrije) plug-in van Adobe Flash Player voor webbrowsers te " -"installeren, installeert u het Debian pakket flashplugin-" -"nonfree uit contrib. " -"Daarvoor is nodig dat contrib in " -"/etc/apt/sources.list als pakketbron " -"toegevoegd werd. Gebruik update-flashplugin-nonfree --" -"status om na te gaan of er een nieuwere versie beschikbaar " -"is en update-flashplugin-nonfree --install " -"om die te installeren." - -#. type: Content of: -msgid "" -"The solution for Chromium is similar, it needs the package " -"pepperflashplugin-nonfree (also from " -"contrib) to be installed, which will " -"install the (non-free) Adobe Fla
Re: slbackup and sshd
Hi Frank, Frank Weißer schreef op do 23-08-2018 om 14:41 [+0200]: > Hi all, > > how do i temporarilly allow ssh login for root on tjener to access > > https://www/slbackup-php > > as proposed in > > https://jenkins.debian.net/userContent/debian-edu-doc/debian-edu-doc- > de/debian-edu-stretch-manual.html#Maintenance--Backup_Management Look under "29.1.4. Andere Änderungen im Vergleich zum vorhergehenden Release" in the manual. In /etc/ssh/sshd_config you need to replace PermitRootLogin without-password with PermitRootLogin yes and restart the ssh daemon with service sshd restart. > > ? > > readU > frank > -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: debian-edu-doc, Dutch version of the ITIL manual
Hi, Holger Levsen schreef op vr 18-01-2019 om 16:34 [+]: > hi, > > just seen when building debian-edu-doc: > > debian-edu-itil-manual.nl.tex: Emergency stop. > > A possible reason for transformation failure is invalid DocBook > (as reported by xmllint) > > Error: xelatex compilation failed > /build/debian-edu-doc-2.10.11/documentation/debian-edu-itil > > > And indeed the pdf version of the ITIL manual is missing in > debian-edu-doc-nl (while html and epub exist), while debian-edu-doc- > nb > has all three formats. The problem was caused by ordinary double quotation marks in template 548. msgfmt -cv -o /dev/null debian-edu-itil-manual.nl.po had no problem with it, but dblatex failed to build the pdf. I fixed the problem by replacing the ordinary double quotation marks with curved quotation marks > > I haven't investigated whether other langueages are affected. > > The src:debian-edu-doc build log has some other, more or less scary > looking, error messages which I also haven't investigated. > > > > tschüß, > Holger > > --- > > holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org > PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A > AA1C -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to drop Weblate (Was: The Norwegian Bokmål translation team move from Transifex to Weblate)
Petter Reinholdtsen schreef op ma 11-02-2019 om 14:00 [+0100]: > [Wolfgang Schweer] > > Please keep weblate translations going on. > > I'll take over the wiki edit part (copyright). > > I would be happy to teach anyone, including you, how to sync between > weblate and salsa (which mostly involve 'git pull weblate master && > git > push' with a few clicks on the Weblate admin page to reduce the > chance > of any git conflict in between). > > I just concluded that the joy/frustration threshold had been passed > today on this task and will try to spend time on something with > higher > joy/frustration value instead. If no one else steps in, I am willing to try and take over the Weblate part, although this means that in the beginning I will be in need of some guidance, because I have no previous experience with administering a Weblate project. I only have a Weblate user account in order to be able to update the Dutch translation for the po4a package. -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to drop Weblate (Was: The Norwegian Bokmål translation team move from Transifex to Weblate)
Wolfgang Schweer schreef op ma 11-02-2019 om 16:37 [+0100]: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:30:21PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:36:11PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen > > wrote: > > > > Without entries in debian/copyright we *cannot* distribute > > > > these > > > > translations. > > > > > > Given section 6 in https://weblate.org/en/terms/ >, I doubt > > > this > > > to be true. > > > > debian policy requires this for packages in main. > > > I'm just wondering if there is some special case for translations > done > via PO files. As an example see: > https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debian-reference > > The translation is done via PO files (and there are a lot) but > debian/copyright doesn't seem to contain the translators' names. Anyway, in most cases the po file header should contain some copyright information. -- Regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to drop Weblate (Was: The Norwegian Bokmål translation team move from Transifex to Weblate)
Hi Mike, Mike Gabriel schreef op di 12-02-2019 om 22:15 [+]: > HI Frans, > > On Mo 11 Feb 2019 21:10:56 CET, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > Petter Reinholdtsen schreef op ma 11-02-2019 om 14:00 [+0100]: > > > [Wolfgang Schweer] > > > > Please keep weblate translations going on. > > > > I'll take over the wiki edit part (copyright). > > > > > > I would be happy to teach anyone, including you, how to sync > > > between > > > weblate and salsa (which mostly involve 'git pull weblate master > > > && > > > git > > > push' with a few clicks on the Weblate admin page to reduce the > > > chance > > > of any git conflict in between). > > > > > > I just concluded that the joy/frustration threshold had been > > > passed > > > today on this task and will try to spend time on something with > > > higher > > > joy/frustration value instead. > > > > If no one else steps in, I am willing to try and take over the > > Weblate > > part, although this means that in the beginning I will be in need > > of > > some guidance, because I have no previous experience with > > administering > > a Weblate project. I only have a Weblate user account in order to > > be > > able to update the Dutch translation for the po4a package. > > I only saw your reply to this thread now. I'll be happy to share > the > workload with you. > > If possible, let's meet on IRC #debian-edu and discuss about the > distribution of tasks. I tried to join you on #debian-edu this afternoon, but it was somehow in vain. I suppose you were available only passively. No problem with me. I usually prefer anyway slower communication methods. > > I'll be around most of tomorrow, I guess. Also on Friday. Please > highlight me on #debian-edu (or let me know what nick you are... I > hope you are available on IRC... if not...). I use frans_ as my nickname (frans not being available any more). > > If you are not on IRC, please let's maybe have a quick WebRTC chat > to > discuss the work ahead. My involvement with Debian Edu is mainly limited to maintaining the Dutch translation. The reason why I voluntered to take over Weblate coordination was to prevent that some Debian Edu translators would find themselves suddenly deprived of their preferred translation tool. I'm completely fine with you taking over Weblate coordination and I am confident that you will do a better job than I ever would be able to do. Given my very limited skills, I'm not sure that I can be of much help to you. But if you have a different opinion, I'm willing to try and take some easy and non-urgent tasks, as long as you are willing to take the lead. Don't expect me to be highly responsive, but you may expect me to always be loyal and cooperative. Given such a context, perhaps you rather prefer to take care of Weblate coordination alone. That would completely fine for me too. It's up to you to freely decide on this. -- See you, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to intensify Weblate usage (Was: The Norwegian Bokmål translation team move from Transifex to Weblate)
Hi Mike, Mike Gabriel schreef op do 14-02-2019 om 14:28 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > thanks for your reply. > > On Mi 13 Feb 2019 17:23:13 CET, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > > > I use frans_ as my nickname (frans not being available any more). > > Ok, noted. But let's stick to email for now. > > > > > I'm completely fine with you taking over Weblate coordination and I > > am > > confident that you will do a better job than I ever would be able > > to > > do. > > ;-) > > > Given my very limited skills, I'm not sure that I can be of much > > help > > to you. But if you have a different opinion, I'm willing to try and > > take some easy and non-urgent tasks, as long as you are willing to > > take > > the lead. > > I don't really have an opinion here. I guess, that I can do the > currently required changes to Weblate and the Git workflow myself > and > on my own. > > However, may I suggest to place you as co-admin for Debian Edu > Documentation on Weblate? To reduce the bus factor, it would be > good > to have another Debian Edu team member with admin permissions on > the > Weblate projects relevant for us. Ok, but bear in mind that even for simple actions, I will have to pass through a learning stage. > > If ok, please make sure you have a hosted.weblate.org account and > send > me your user name, so I can add you as co-admin to the project. my hosted.weblate.org user name is frans.spiesscha...@gmail.com > > > One step is moving things around a bit, so that we can offer more > translation languages on Weblate. For the moment we have buster-manual translations for da, de, es, fr, it, ja, nb, nl, pl, zh and zh_Hant of which nb, pl, zh and zh_Hant use weblate. de and nl are up-to-date and make use of the Debian i18n infrastructure. No need for those languages to be added to weblate, in my opinion. The translations for da, es, fr, it and ja lag behind. They don't use weblate but have an active translation community within Debian. I would suggest to try to revitalize those translations first via the appropriate Debian i18n mailing lists before transfering those languages to weblate. I'm willing to try to prepare a draft e-mail to those lists, asking for volunteers to update the buster manual. I would prefer to send it to you for review beforehand. > > Another step is to check, whether individual languages can appear > on > Weblate but can be set to read-only (for people preferring poedit). I'm not so sure that this is needed as long as translations can be kept up to date using Debian's own i18n infrastructure. > > Yet another step is working on some shell script that allows > picking > translations from a Git staging branch in debian-edu-doc over to > the > master branch. In my opinion that would be a very good thing if this could help us to keep early translations out of the git-infrastructure of Debian Edu itself, until they meet the minimum requirements for release. > > And then... > > Then, we may see more translations filling with translated strings > and > we possible see more people joining the translation effort for more > and more languages. While Debian Edu is a Debian Pure Blend, I think that we shouldn't bypass the i18n infrastructure of Debian in the first place. I agree with you that if we could manage to get more Debian-Edu-Doc translations by reaching out via weblate to translators that are in favour of free software, but aren't affiliated to Debian, it would definitely be a plus. Of course I'm also fine with all Debian l10n teams that prefer weblate as their translation tool, as nb is doing already right now. > Once that happens, it might need more people to be > responsive to messages coming in from Weblate. I'd be grateful if > you > could help out there, once we are ready for it. I'm willing to help out and to act as your backup if needed. > > Let me know what you think on my proposals, > > Mike > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to intensify Weblate usage
Hi Mike, Basically, I can agree with all your points of view. There is one possible consequence that I am afraid of, when translations that are doing well within Debian itself, would show up on weblate: an increase in workload when it comes to reviewing and coordinating translations, especially for poorly staffed language communities. Let me take the case of the Dutch language community within Debian as an example. Our team (Debian Dutch l10n Team ) counts about 40 members/followers. Most of them aren't active translators. They merely act as occasional reviewers. In order to have a workable workflow, we agreed on a few rules: - all translation activity will be coordinated in one single place: the Dutch localisation mailing list. - all translations will be submitted for review to the list. - no explicit reaction on a request for the review of a translation, means an approval of it (a kind of silent approval procedure, so to say). Now, last year Debian ended the email interface to the Debian Description Translation Project and from that moment on, solely the web interface can be used. This immediately had the following consequences: 1. two different places for reviewers to follow up on translations and 2. while on the web interface each translation needs a minimum of two explicit approvals, no silent approvals are possible anymore and people started to lose interest. From that moment on not even one Dutch description translation entered the distribution any more: a real drawback. Now suppose one day someone on weblate wants to help out with the Dutch translation. In principle, a very good thing, but in practice a third location that reviewers would have to follow up on. What I want to say through this example: we will have to be very careful that we don't put unintentionally extra burdens op poorly staffed teams. And we will need to stay very attentive that whatever we undertake, it will always need to be supportive for the translation teams involved, and, more precisely, supportive the way those teams define it themselves. So far my concerns. Soon, I will propose a draft call for translations to you and to this list, but for now it's time to go and rest. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Proposal on attempting to boost debian-edu-doc translations
Hi Mike (and all other list members), This is what I propose in an attempt to boost debian-edu-doc translations, with for the moment a focus on the Buster manual. As a first step, I suggest to send the following short e-mail to the known last translators of the partly translated debian-edu-doc- packages (i.e. da, es, fr, it, ja, pl, zh, zh_Hant) with their respective debian-l10n- mailing lists in CC. Not included here are de, nb and nl that have proved to be able to keep their respective translations more or less up to date. A note on zh and zh_Hant: debian internationalisation uses one list for Chinese: debian-l10n-chinese. As far as I understand zh represents a locale code, as also zh_CN and zh_TW do, while zh_Hant represents Chinese written in traditional script (where Hant is more or less comparable with a charset indication, if I'm not mistaken) and zh_Hans Chinese written in simplified script. As far as I know _Hans and _Hant aren't used in Debian. --Draft starts here-- Subject: Call for translation updates for the debian-edu-doc package Hi, You are known as the last translator of the debian-edu-doc package. With the upcoming Buster release in mind, the DebianEdu team would like to boost translations. Could you please inform us whether you intend to work on a translation update in the coming weeks? Unless you prefer to continue translating all by yourself, we intend to issue a call for help with the translation of the debian-edu-doc package to the i10n-list for your language, provided that you are in favour of such an idea. Please let us know. Thanks for contributing to Debian Edu. On behalf of the DebianEdu team, Mike Gabriel, Frans Spiesschaert. --Draft ends here-- As a second step I suggest to send out, a week later, the following general call for help on the translation of debian-edu-doc to all existing debian-i10n-* mailing lists and to debian-i18n, again except for de, nb and nl and for those lists, of which an existing translator informed us not to be in favour of it. A second exception: those lists without a single activity so far in 2019 aren't worth the effort, I suppose. --Draft starts here-- Subject: Call for help on the translation of the debian-edu-doc package Hi, In sync with the upcoming Debian Buster release, the DebianEdu team is preparing a new release of Debian Edu / Skolelinux. Debian Edu is a Debian Pure Blend providing an out-of-the box environment of a completely configured school network. The teachers themselves or their technical support can roll out a complete multi-user multi-machine study environment within a few days. The debian-edu-doc package is an important part of it. It guides even not that tech savvy school ICT-persons through the setup, the configuration and the operation of a completely free school ICT- infrastructure. So please help us out to release the relevant debian- edu-buster manual in as much languages as possible. As shown in the table below translation efforts already exist in several languages, although some of them could benefit of some extra love. If you intend to help out with one of these, please try to coordinate with the other contributors of your language group. languagetranslated fuzzy untranslated - da 814 368 173 de 1355 es 451 256 648 fr 797 378 180 it 1247 6543 ja 986 208 161 nb 1291 3034 nl 1354 1 pl 173 86 1096 zh 596 152 607 zh_Hant 140 2 1213 debian-edu-doc is a git maintained package. It's sources can be retrieved via g...@salsa.debian.org:debian-edu/debian-edu-doc.git or https://salsa.debian.org/debian-edu/debian-edu-doc.git If you intend to help out, please contact your relevant localisation community within Debian (debian-l10n-) and send a notification email to the debian-edu mailinglist: debian-edu@lis ts.debian.org in order to inform us that you joined this translation effort. Please send updated translations to the debian-edu mailinglist debian-edu@lists.debian.org or as a wishlist bug against the debian-edu-doc package. Please note that languages nb, pl, zh and zh_Hant use hosted.weblate.org as their prefered translation tool. If you intend to help out on one of those languages, please join their communities on hosted.weblate.org. Thanks. On behalf of the DebianEdu team, Mike Gabriel, Frans Spiesschaert. --Draft ends here-- All kind of comments very welcome. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Follow up on: Proposal on attempting to boost debian-edu-doc translations
Hi Mike, This is an initial follow up: Mike Gabriel schreef op ma 18-02-2019 om 08:42 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Sa 16 Feb 2019 17:04:20 CET, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > Hi Mike (and all other list members), > > > > This is what I propose in an attempt to boost debian-edu-doc > > translations, with for the moment a focus on the Buster manual. > > > > As a first step, I suggest to send the following short e-mail to > > the > > known last translators of the partly translated debian-edu-doc- > > > > packages (i.e. da, es, fr, it, ja, pl, zh, zh_Hant) with their > > respective debian-l10n- mailing lists in CC. Not included > > here > > are de, nb and nl that have proved to be able to keep their > > respective > > translations more or less up to date. > > > > > --Draft starts here-- > > > > Subject: Call for translation updates for the debian-edu-doc > > package > > > > Hi, > > > > You are known as the last translator of the debian-edu-doc package. > > With the upcoming Buster release in mind, the DebianEdu team would > > like > > to boost translations. Could you please inform us whether you > > intend to > > work on a translation update in the coming weeks? > > Unless you prefer to continue translating all by yourself, we > > intend to > > issue a call for help with the translation of the debian-edu-doc > > package to the i10n-list for your language, provided that you are > > in > > favour of such an idea. Please let us know. > > > > Thanks for contributing to Debian Edu. > > On behalf of the DebianEdu team, > > Mike Gabriel, > > Frans Spiesschaert. > > > > > > --Draft ends here-- > > Sounds good. Go ahead with this one asap. Thanks. > > > Thanks for your work on this, I think we are good to go and proceed > to > the first mail to recent translators. > The above mail has been sent this evening, as planned (i.e. da, es, fr, it, ja, pl, zh, zh_Hant). The following email addresses gave a Delivery Status Notification (Failure): Stanisław Krukowski (Polish) Rafael Ernesto Rivas (Spanish) Victory (Japanese) So I guess that we can provisionally conclude that they are no longer available for translation work on debian-edu-doc. Unless someone has a clue for an alternative email address for any of them. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Time to intensify Weblate usage
Hi Mike, Mike Gabriel schreef op ma 18-02-2019 om 08:45 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > > We certainly don't want to put more > burden on translation team volunteers than is needed. > > Let's take the Debian l10n path and wait for the feedbacks we get. > With Weblate, I will wait some more time (due to other prios) before > I > add more languages. > > I will only add those languages that are not actively maintained by > the Debian l10n sub-teams. This sounds reassuring. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: SV: Call for translation updates for the debian-edu-doc package
Joe Dalton schreef op ma 18-02-2019 om 20:59 [+]: > Hi Frans, I am working on the file. Great ! > bye > Joe > > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Call for translation updates for the debian-edu-doc package
Hi Cédric, Cédric Boutillier schreef op di 19-02-2019 om 13:38 [+0100]: > Dear Frans, dear Debian-edu team, > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:07:23PM +0100, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > You are known as the last translator of the debian-edu-doc package. > > With the upcoming Buster release in mind, the DebianEdu team would > > like > > to boost translations. Could you please inform us whether you > > intend to > > work on a translation update in the coming weeks? > > Unless you prefer to continue translating all by yourself, we > > intend to > > issue a call for help with the translation of the debian-edu-doc > > package to the i10n-list for your language, provided that you are > > in > > favour of such an idea. Please let us know. > > Thanks for your message. I would be in favor of delegating this > translation work to the debian-l10n-french team, as I unfortunately > don't think I will have enough time to dedicate to this task to make > quality work. It has been fun to help translating this project, and > hope > to be able to help again in the future. Many thanks for your contributions to Debian Edu and your commitment to it. I'll prepare a general call for help on the translation of the debian- edu-doc package, to be sent to several debian-l10n-* lists, including debian-l10n-french. > > With my best wishes, > > Cédric -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Second follow up on: Proposal on attempting to boost debian-edu-doc translations
Hi, Below a short follow up on the initial one: Frans Spiesschaert schreef op ma 18-02-2019 om 21:26 [+0100]: > Hi Mike, > > This is an initial follow up: > > The above mail has been sent this evening, as planned > (i.e. da, es, fr, it, ja, pl, zh, zh_Hant). > > The following email addresses gave a > Delivery Status Notification (Failure): > > Stanisław Krukowski (Polish) > Rafael Ernesto Rivas (Spanish) > Victory (Japanese) > Other results: Joe Hansen (Danish) replied to the list that he is working on it. No reaction from Claudio Carboncini (Italian). Cédric Boutillier (French), Ma Yong (Simplified Chinese) and Anthony Mao (Traditional Chinese) replied to be in favour of a call for help on the translation. So, I intend to send out that call tomorrow to all debian-l10n-* lists, except for da, de, nb and nl. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Second follow up on: Proposal on attempting to boost debian-edu-doc translations
Hi Rafael, Rafael Rivas schreef op do 21-02-2019 om 20:37 [-0600]: > Hi There fellow translators! > Not sure why my email would give an error message, but i'm still > alive and kicking ;) > > Need to put a couple of thing in order, and get back to work! Excellent ! Thank you for contributing to DebianEdu. Let's make DebianEdu Buster the best DebianEdu/Skolelinux release ever ;-) > Cheers, > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:45 PM Frans Spiesschaert t...@yucom.be> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Below a short follow up on the initial one: > > > > > > > > Frans Spiesschaert schreef op ma 18-02-2019 om 21:26 [+0100]: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > This is an initial follow up: > > > > > > > > > > The above mail has been sent this evening, as planned > > > > > (i.e. da, es, fr, it, ja, pl, zh, zh_Hant). > > > > > > > > > > The following email addresses gave a > > > > > Delivery Status Notification (Failure): > > > > > > > > > > Stanisław Krukowski (Polish) > > > > > Rafael Ernesto Rivas (Spanish) > > > > > Victory (Japanese) > > > > > > > > > Other results: > > > > > > > > Joe Hansen (Danish) replied to the list that he is working on it. > > > > > > > > No reaction from Claudio Carboncini (Italian). > > > > > > > > Cédric Boutillier (French), Ma Yong (Simplified Chinese) > > > > and Anthony Mao (Traditional Chinese) replied to be > > > > in favour of a call for help on the translation. > > > > > > > > So, I intend to send out that call tomorrow to all debian-l10n-* > > > > lists, except for da, de, nb and nl. So no need to send out to debian-l10n-es a call for help on the translation, I understand. > > > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Second follow up on: Proposal on attempting to boost debian-edu-doc translations
Hi, Frans Spiesschaert schreef op do 21-02-2019 om 22:45 [+0100]: > > So, I intend to send out that call tomorrow to all debian-l10n-* > lists, except for da, de, nb and nl. Done this evening. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: [debian-edu-commits] [Debian Wiki] Update of "DebianEdu/Documentation/Buster/HowTo/Administration" by FransSpiesschaert
Hi, Wolfgang, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op ma 11-03-2019 om 21:29 [+0100]: > Moin Frans, > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 07:39:47PM -, Debian Wiki wrote: > > Comment: > > As far as I could test on a virtual machine with DebianEdu 10 > > installed, > > > > port:636 > > Base dn:dc=skole,dc=skolelinux,dc=no > > Security level: ssl + user + password > > + User dn: cn=admin,ou=ldap-access,dc=skole,dc=skolelinux,dc=no > > + }}} > > - User dn: cn=admin,ou=ldap-access > > - > > - Click "This session only" if asked for the certificate.}}} > > > > == ldap-createuser-krb, a command-line tool == > > > Thanks for checking jxplorer. It seems that Base dn: can be left > blank. > Could you please test if it works? Just did the test and it works indeed. Will you update the wiki-page? > > Wolfgang -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
On the calls for translation updates for the Buster manual: observations and tentative conclusions
Hi all, As you may remember, in February a call for translation updates for the Buster manual was issued, in the first place to the last known translator. This resulted in: - a translation update from Joe Hansen for Danish after 1 week, but changes made to the manual after that time, still have to be translated. - a translation update from Claudio Carboncini for Italian after 2 weeks, but changes made to the manual after that time, still have to be translated. - a notification from Rafael Rivas (es) that he is planning to get back on it, but no progress so far. - a reply from Cédric Boutillier (fr), Anthony Mao (Traditional Chinese) and Ma Yong (Simplified Chinese) that extra help would be welcome. A call for help with the translation to the debian-l10n-* lists a week later resulted in: - a new tranlator for French (Jean-Pierre Giraud) - a new translator for Polish (Wiktor Wandachowicz) but their contributions still have to show up in the repository. At this moment, no progress could be established for the languages ja, zh, zh_Hant and no new languages did show up. Conclusions: - da, de, it and nl have shown to be able to keep their translations up to date using the Debian l10n infrastructure. Those languages can be left disabled on hosted-weblate. Probably the Debian l10n infrastructure will also prove to be suitable for fr. So also this language can be left disabled on hosted-weblate for now. - da and it showed to be very responsive on the call for translation updates, but don't seem to keep their translations up to date in an ongoing way. So an explicit call for translation updates to them is useful, but given their responsiveness, such a call would have been more appropriate as close as possible to the release. - es and ja are currently disabled at hosted-weblate, but as there seems to be a lack of translation capacity within Debian for these languages for now, enabling those languages at hosted-weblate could be worthwhile. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On the calls for translation updates for the Buster manual: observations and tentative conclusions
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op do 04-04-2019 om 11:43 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > thanks for your analysis and summary! > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 05:15:42PM +0100, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > A call for help with the translation to the debian-l10n-* lists a > > week > > [...] > > I think we should repeat this and also call for another round of > translation updates. I am willing to prepare another round, preferably when no more changes to the Buster manual are expected. Do you think that the release of debian-edu-doc at the end of April will be the final one before the Buster release? > > > - es and ja are currently disabled at hosted-weblate, but as there > > seems to be a lack of translation capacity within Debian for these > > languages for now, enabling those languages at hosted-weblate could > > be > > worthwhile. > > agreed. > > And probably weekly syncs with weblate (if there are changes) would > also > be very nice. As I see myself with regard to hosted.weblate merely as a backup, I don't want to act on it without coordinating with Mike. I'll try to talk to him and see if he is in need of some help. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On the calls for translation updates for the Buster manual: observations and tentative conclusions
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op ma 08-04-2019 om 19:18 [+]: > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 09:07:54PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > I am willing to prepare another round, preferably when no more > > changes > > to the Buster manual are expected. > > I think now is a good time. There might be some more changes, but the > current status is quite good and complete. Done today as you will have noticed from the mailing list. > > As I see myself with regard to hosted.weblate merely as a backup, I > > don't want to act on it without coordinating with Mike. I'll try to > > talk to him and see if he is in need of some help. > > thanks! Mike hopes to be able to do it this week. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On the calls for translation updates for the Buster manual: observations and tentative conclusions
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op za 20-04-2019 om 09:10 [+]: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:55:39AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > [merges from weblate] > > > Mike hopes to be able to do it this week. > > > > I hope so too... :) > > ping? I talked to Mike and this will happen tomorrow. > > the next debian-edu-doc upload will happen in 11 days, on May 1st... > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Suggestions for the Debian Edu Buster manual
Hi Wolfgang, Allan Nordhøy made the following two comments via hosted.weblate: Source string: X2Go enables you to access a graphical desktop on the LTSP server over both low bandwidth and high bandwidth connections from a PC running Linux, Windows or Mac OS X. Additional software is needed on the client side, see the https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installati on:x2goclient">x2go wiki for more information. Comment:Should be "macOS" not "OS X", also "X2Go wiki" User: Allan Nordhøy Source string: x2goclient is a graphical client for the X2Go system (not installed by default). You can use it to connect to running sessions and start new sessions. Comment:Suggestion: "and start new ones."? User: Allan Nordhøy Since I have no strong opinion on them and they are not merely about typo's, I don't want to change the wiki myself. I would prefer to leave it up to you to decide whether it's worth to update the wiki. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: enable Japanese in weblate (Re: Content and translation status for the debian-edu-buster manual)
Holger Levsen schreef op zo 05-05-2019 om 11:50 [+]: > Hi Frans & Mike, > > please enable the Japanese translation in weblate, hoxp18 wants to > contribute to it: Done -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: enable Japanese in weblate (Re: Content and translation status for the debian-edu-buster manual)
Hi, Holger Levsen schreef op wo 08-05-2019 om 14:43 [+]: > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 11:32:39PM +0900, hoxp18 wrote: > > I just started using some weblate "suggestion" and > > "comment" features recently, Yes, I noticed you have been very active last days. Once you are convinced that you got the translation of a given string right, you have to push the SAVE button instead of the SUGGEST button. Only then your translations can get merged into debian-edu-doc on salsa. > > If you feel any strange/fuzzy one, please tell me, too. > > I can learn from it. > > > I think only Japanese speakers can judge > https://jenkins.debian.net/userContent/debian-edu-doc/debian-edu-doc- > ja/debian-edu-buster-manual.html > :) > > (I also believe your latest changes havent been merged back from > Weblate, thats something Frans or Mike can&will do.) For the moment nothing can be merged yet, since all translations still are in a SUGGEST state. This means that weblate "remembers" those translations, but doesn't commit them actually. This only happens after the translation of a string has been "saved" explicitly by pushing the "save" button. > > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
(nl) Some more translations
Hi all, Please find attached a Dutch translation for the Debian Edu / Skolelinux homepage and for the Debian Edu buster release announcement. Since I'm not a member of the Debian blends team nor of the Debian publicity team, I'm not in a position to commit them all by myself. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert # Translation file for Debian Pure Blends edu-website. # Copyright (C) YEAR Debian Pure Blends Team debian-ble...@lists.debian.org # This file is distributed under the same license as the edu-website package. # FIRST AUTHOR , YEAR. # Frans Spiesschaert , 2019. # msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: edu-website 0.1.0\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: debian-edu@lists.debian.org\n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2019-04-28 23:52+0200\n" "PO-Revision-Date: 2019-05-09 15:53+0200\n" "Last-Translator: Frans Spiesschaert \n" "Language-Team: Debian Dutch l10n Team \n" "Language: nl\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);\n" "X-Generator: Gtranslator 2.91.7\n" #. type: Attribute 'lang' of: #: index.en.html:2 msgid "en" msgstr "nl" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:4 msgid "Debian Edu Pure Blend" msgstr "Specifieke uitgave van Debian (Debian Edu Pure Blend)" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:15 msgid "https://www.debian.org/\"; title=\"Debian Home\">" msgstr "https://www.debian.org/\"; title=\"Debian Home\">" #. type: Attribute 'alt' of: #: index.en.html:16 msgid "Debian" msgstr "Debian" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:16 index.en.html:37 msgid "" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:18 msgid "Pure Blend" msgstr "Specifieke uitgave (Pure Blend)" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:22 msgid "https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks\";>Meta-Packages" msgstr "https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks\";>Metapakketten" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:23 msgid "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu\";>Wiki" msgstr "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu\";>Wiki" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:24 msgid "" "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Stretch\";>Stretch Status " "Page" msgstr "" "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Stretch\";>Statuspagina " "voor Stretch" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:25 msgid "" "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Buster\";>Buster Status " "Page" msgstr "" "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Buster\";>Statuspagina " "voor Buster" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:26 msgid "" "https://jenkins.debian.net/userContent/debian-edu-doc/"; "\">Documentation" msgstr "" "https://jenkins.debian.net/userContent/debian-edu-doc/"; "\">Documentatie" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:27 msgid "https://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/\";>Mailing List" msgstr "https://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/\";>Mailinglijst" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:31 msgid "" "https://blends.debian.org\";>Debian Pure Blends Overview / https://salsa.debian.org/debian-edu\";>Debian Edu Git" msgstr "" "https://blends.debian.org\";>Overzicht van specifieke uitgaven van " "Debian / https://salsa.debian.org/debian-edu\";>Debian Edu Git" #. start edu logo #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:37 msgid "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu\";>" msgstr "https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu\";>" #. type: Attribute 'alt' of: #: index.en.html:37 msgid "Debian Edu wiki" msgstr "Debian Edu wiki" #. type: Content of: #: index.en.html:40 msgid "" "Debian Edu is a Debian based operating system that fits the requirements of " "schools and similar institutions. It allows one to set up a complete network and " "integrates a large number of educational software packages grouped into " "topic or education level related https://blends.debian.org/edu/"; "tasks\">meta-packages; it's a Debian Pure Blend. Dedicated official Debian installation " "media are available." msgstr "" "Debian Edu is een op Debian gebaseerd besturingssysteem dat beantwoordt aan " "de vereisten van scholen en vergelijkbare instellingen. Het maakt het " "mogelijk om een " &
Re: (nl) Some more translations
Hi Simon and Wofgang, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op vr 10-05-2019 om 17:38 [+0200]: > Hi Simon and Frans, > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 09:48:40AM +0200, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > > I couldn't resist looking at it and I hope I improved some if the > > translations in the process.. (see attached) Thank you Simon for your review, which is sometimes lacking at debian-l 10n-du...@lists.debian.org (although this particular file wasn't submitted there for review by me). > > > If the two of you could find an agreement about the Dutch content of > those two different strings, I'll commit it. I consider both suggestions by Simon as being an improvement, indeed. So Wolfgang please do commit Simon's attachment. > > Wolfgang -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: About Debian edu manual terminology, etc.
Hi hoxp18, hoxp18 schreef op za 11-05-2019 om 01:17 [+0900]: > Dear Wolfgang Schweer, > > On 5/11/19 12:58 AM, Wolfgang Schweer wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:53:45PM +0900, hoxp18 wrote: > > > I started building my isolated Debian Edu Buster env, > > > then I got a trouble around gateway. > > > (I have to start with gateway by personal issue) > > > > > > It's about NIC name rules. ethN -> enpxxx > > > > > I tried Debian Edu Buster 2019-05-06 netinst, > > > > > Minimal Profile install on my amd64 dual NIC machine > > > > > to make it my gateway. > > > > > > > > > > eth0 and eth1 is preconfigured in /etc/network/interfaces, > > > > > but they fail when "service networking start". > > > > > > > > > > /sys/class/net shows the NICs as "enp0s31f6" and "enp1s0". > > > > > > > > > > I replaced eth0 and eth1 by them. Then it works. > > > > Please check /etc/default/grub, for the "Minimal" profile it should > > be: > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0 quiet" > > If it isn't the case, adjust it and run 'update-grub' and reboot. > > > > This makes sure that eth0 and eth1 are kept. An alternative is to switch to the new network interfaces naming scheme: the release-notes for buster explain how to accomplish this. See https://ddp-team.pages.debian.net/release-notes/amd64/release-note s/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names Unfortunately the Japanese translation of that part of the release- notes hasn't been updated yet. > > > > Wolfgang > > I completely had no idea about that kernel parameter. > > I'll check-it and reinstall-the-gateway ASAP. > (Since I'm in LAN cables and KVM shortage; > I have to do messy re-cabling for a while) > > Thank you. Have a nice day. > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: About Debian edu manual terminology, etc.
Hi hoxp18, hoxp18 schreef op za 11-05-2019 om 08:35 [+0900]: > > > On 5/11/19 2:02 AM, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > An alternative is to switch to the new network interfaces naming > > scheme: the release-notes for buster explain how to accomplish this. > > See https://ddp-team.pages.debian.net/release-notes/amd64/release-note > > > > > BTW the page at ddp-team.pages.debian.net shows only 404 for me. > I guess it it because I'm accessing from Japan or some other auth > and/or firewall related, etc. Oh I see. I did forget to turn off text wrapping in my email client and so the link got split up. This one should be fine: https://ddp-team.pages.debian.net/release-notes/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: [note] Some of weblate entrie seems reverted when wiki updates
Hi, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op vr 17-05-2019 om 11:34 [+0200]: > Hi hoxp18, > > after wiki updates manual work is (still) needed to update weblate. > So > there is some delay (of some days, I guess). That is correct. Usually the Weblate git-repo lags one week behind. As a standard workflow Weblate expects a developer to merge all weblate translation updates before updating his template file. While the debian-edu-doc manual sees a continuous flow of updates, this standard workflow does not fit very well with debian-edu-doc documentation. Therefore once a week the most recent template file is merged with the most recent translation files from Weblate. This happens outside any git-repo in order to avoid merge conflicts. The result is an up-to-date translations against an up-to-date template. This result then is uploaded to Weblate and to Salsa. This means also that already translated strings can suddenly show up again as to be translated. This is e.g. frequently the case for template 2 of the manual, each time the date stamp changes. > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Is hosted.weblate entitled to push to debian-edu-doc.git
Hi, Since between last week and now nothing changed in the templates files of debian-edu-doc, translations updates from hosted.weblate could have been pushed to debian-edu-doc.git from within hosted.weblate itself (without any need for a msgmerge outside hosted.weblate in order to prevent merge conflicts). However I failed to figure out which push url I had to configure within hosted.weblate for that purpose. Does anyone know? -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: About Weblate and salsa
Hi hoxp18, hox...@noramail.jp schreef op ma 03-06-2019 om 01:20 [+0900]: > > Weblate > > > However, if it would be some "cost" issue, > I'll get my task env into gettext po way, ASAP. Don't worry. It isn't a cost or a burden at all. Please go ahead using Weblate if that suits you best. > > > So now I'm starting release-notes ja translation. > > Confusing around "debian main team" repo, > my guest account fork on salsa, > my local clone of salsa-guest-folk, > and merge-requests. If this confuses you to much, you can also attach your translation to a whislist bug against the release-notes package. You could file a bug each time you finished the translation of a chapter. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2019/03/msg00012.html and https://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2019/05/msg00003.html on the translation of the release notes. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Re: (Weblate ja status and) some suggestions/questions
Hi, hox...@noramail.jp schreef op vr 07-06-2019 om 22:55 [+0900]: > Dear Holger Levsen and Wolfgang Schweer, > CC: Debian Edu team > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 02:13:01AM +0900, hox...@noramail.jp wrote: > > > > > > > Sub units > > > == > > > > > > Especially in Hardware requirement section, > > > there are mixed usage of MiB/MB and GiB/GB. > > > > > > I think those do not have to be so precise; GB and MB seems fine. > > > > I actually would prefer to always use KiB, MiB and GiB > > consistently. > > > > or, use KB, MB and GB consistently. just mixing them is definitly > > wrong/sub-optimal. > > I agree. > > > > 3. Make it simple (1,024 subunit only) > * Ki/Mi/Gi: for all. > > This would be preferable since it is about IT tech doc. > > In short, I'm confused. Perhaps #3 is easy and nice. Switching over (in the long run) to KiB, MiB and GiB would be, as to my opinion, the best choice, since it is the technically right one. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
On coordinating translations of debina-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi, After being in charge of merging debian-edu-doc translation updates from weblate into salsa, I want to share some observations. 1. Concurrent but different translation updates on both weblate and salsa are difficult to manage. So I propose that languages that use salsa for translation updates should be deactivated at weblate, and that languages that were using weblate and are willing to switch to salsa should do this only after having announced this on the mailing list before doing so: this would give the opportunity to Mike (or me) to commit the final updates from weblate and to deactivate the language at weblate before new updates arrive via salsa. 2. The hosted.weblate tool is conceived in the first place to promote and facilitate the translation of user messages of programs (rather than manuals). In order to avoid conflicts, it expects a program developer to apply the following steps (that weblate can partly automate on his behalf if he wishes so): - pulling in all pending translations from weblate. - temporarily locking the weblate git repo. - updating his template file (xgettext -j) - merging the new pot with existing translations (msgmerge) - merging these updates into the weblate git repo. - unlocking the weblate git repo. Applied to debian-edu-doc this would mean: - pulling in all pending translations from weblate. - temporarily locking the weblate git repo. - updating debian-edu-doc from the wiki - applying msgmerge to existing translations - merging these translations with an updated pot into the weblate git repo. - unlocking the weblate git repo. Nowadays I see debian-edu-doc updates from the wiki happen with irregular time intervals and see them happen unannounced. In most cases at that moment unapplied translations are te be found on hosted.weblate. This would result in merge conflicts when one would try to merge in the salsa updates into weblate. And they regularly did, namely each time I had failed to notice that such an update from the wiki had occurred. In such a case one has to - merge the new pot and the current weblate translations outside the weblate environment - commit the so merged translations to salsa - reset from within weblate all changes made to the local weblate repository - pull into weblate all translations from salsa. This is in my opinion a rather tedious and inelegant workflow. So I would prefer if we could come to a coordinated workflow (see above under "Applied to debian-edu-doc this would mean") between salsa and weblate, e.g. once a week at a given time. Comments and criticism welcome :-) -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Re: [debian-edu-commits] [Git][debian-edu/debian-edu-doc][master] Update Japanese translation, thanks to hoxp18
Hi Hoxp18, hox...@noramail.jp schreef op vr 14-06-2019 om 23:43 [+0900]: > Dear Holger Levsen and Frans Spiesschaert, > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 08:39:29PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > > Update Japanese translation, thanks to hoxp18 > > > > > > I am afraid this will cause major problems > > > > nothing unfixable... :) > > Oops? (I am afraid it, too. Apologies anyway.) Apologies accepted. > > > I could do any method. I stop using Weblate to avoid confusion since > yesterday. I noticed this. But there are still changes to the Japanese translation om Weblate that are not yet integrated into the Japanese translation on Salsa. Since the updates that you made to salsa were rather minimal, I would suggest that you make them to weblate to today. Then I will commit the weblate Japanese translation to salsa tomorrow and deactivate the Japanese language at weblate. So after that has happened tomorrow, you might from that moment on safely continue translating using salsa. I hope that sound OK to you. > I suspended using salsa commits/push, too. > > However, if it seems okay, I'll update po, commit and push to salsa, > as soon as Weblate modifications are committed. > (Audacity ja translation was a drill for it, for me.) > > Regards. > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Re: Re: [debian-edu-commits] [Git][debian-edu/debian-edu-doc][master] Update Japanese translation, thanks to hoxp18
Hi Hoxp18, hox...@noramail.jp schreef op za 15-06-2019 om 01:15 [+0900]: > Dear Frans Spiesschaert, > > > hox...@noramail.jp schreef op vr 14-06-2019 om 23:43 [+0900]: > > > > > > Oops? (I am afraid it, too. Apologies anyway.) > > > > Apologies accepted. > > How merciful you are. Thank you. No thanks needed. After all we all try to be as cooperative as we can be, each of us at his own way. > From me, weblate shows old version yet, 1. As far as I can see debian-edu-buster-manual.ja.po on weblate has POT-Creation-Date: 2019-05-16 08 and PO-Revision-Date: 2019-06-08 This is normal as once a week the weblate files are being updated to the changes that occurred in the templates file during that week. Usually this happens on Saturday. > > and there are one "FIXME untranslated" section only > as "Strings needed action" on weblate. Indeed 2. And as far as I can see debian-edu-buster-manual.ja.po on salsa has POT-Creation-Date: 2019-06-12 PO-Revision-Date: 2019-06-08 and one fuzzy and one untranslated message. 3. As this translation is ahead of the translation on weblate for templates 2 and 18, I think it's better that I deactivate Japanese on weblate right now. It would be a small regression for Japanese if I would merge the version in weblate into the version on salsa tomorrow. > > > So, how about this way in this case? > > 1. After your "weblate-to-salsa" commit, > 2. I check salsa directly, and update/commit/push it ASAP. > 3. It's okay to drop some of my recent updates; I have rendered HTML > locally. > This is a cooperative proposal, but given the actual situation, it looks to me to be better not to merge the weblate Japanese buster file into salsa tomorrow. Acting this way nothing of your work will be lost. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Re: Re: Re: [debian-edu-commits] [Git][debian-edu/debian-edu-doc][master] Update Japanese translation, thanks to hoxp18
Hi hoxp18,
hox...@noramail.jp schreef op za 15-06-2019 om 19:48 [+0900]:
> Dear Frans Spiesschaert,
> CC: Debian Edu Japanese translators
>
> Thank you for updating/commiting weblate, Frans.
For the moment debian-edu-buster-manual.ja.po both on hosted.weblate
and on salsa are identical.
>
> Now I confirmed it both on-Weblate and its-downloaded-po-my-local-
> HTML-rendering,
> without any commits.
>
> There is a minor number of "needs edit" sections.
>
> a) most of them are updated; 2019-06-12 version.
> b) a few "needs edit" are "Firefox/Chromium version" and "FIXME
> untranlated".
> c) some section (especially where I clamed about powers of
> 1,000/1,024) are still old.
>
> Now, since things become bit complicated, I want make sure before
> doing anything.
>
> 1. I'm supsending both weblate and salsa, for now.
> 2. I can update ja po ether weblate or salsa.
> 3. I can also update some of "still old at weblate" sections ("c"
> above),
> but I think I should not to (since it could make another mess).
>
> So, please tell me exactly what I should do,
> in this special (pre Buster release) situation.
The most important is that you choose either the git repo on salsa or
the one at hosted.weblate to continue translating and not to switch
between both. While hosted.weblate doesn't track salsa on a permanent
basis, but is made up to date manually once a week, some of your
translations could get lost if you would switch between hosted.weblate
and salsa.
>
> My best guess is:
>
> * Wait for your sign, then fix least ("b" above) on weblate, and
> report it back to you.
> * About "c" above, wait for next weblate update, suspending my
> weblate commits.
You can improve your translation wherever that seems appropriate to you
(a, b and c, mentioned above, or some other that you would like to
improve), but please choose one git repo to commit your translantions
to.
I thought I understood from your previous email that you preferred
salsa over hosted.weblate. So a few hours ago, I deactivated the
Japanese language on hosted.weblate. Because hosted.wablate is still
busy processing it's debian-edu-doc git repository, Japanese still
shows up for now, but when processing will be finished, Japanese will
no longer be available at hosted.weblate.
If I did not understood you well, and you would prefer to continue
translating via hosted.weblate, that is fine for me too. Just let me
know and I will reactivate Japanese on hosted.weblate. But in that case
please refrain from hopping on salsa at the same time.
If you would change your mind later on, and would like to change
between salsa and hosted.weblate, that is perfectly possible. But in
that case please talk to the list beforehand, so that the transition
can be coordinated.
> >
>
> Again, I'm suspending any task until you show me a GO sign.
If you just could let me know what path (salsa or hosted.weblate) you
have chosen, to make sure we understood each other well.
>
--
Kind regards,
Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Sorry for this late reply, but maybe you remember that I told you that I would be away for a long time. Holger Levsen schreef op zo 16-06-2019 om 11:16 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > thanks for taking the time for this write up! > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 05:26:15PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > > Nowadays I see debian-edu-doc updates from the wiki happen with > > irregular time intervals and see them happen unannounced. > > i'm not sure how to change this without (other) downsides. > > > This is in my opinion a rather tedious and inelegant workflow. > > So I would prefer if we could come to a coordinated workflow (see > > above > > under "Applied to debian-edu-doc this would mean") between > > salsa > > and weblate, e.g. once a week at a given time. > > > cant we sync from weblate to git more often, like daily? I don't think it's a matter of frequency, but rather a matter of sequence. As I see it, in a flawless workflow, all translation updates from weblate should be pulled in just before a debian-edu-doc update from the wiki happens. Maybe it would be doable over time to integrate this procedure in the scripts that make the update from the wiki happen. Or would such a workflow be impossible in reality according to you? I didn't had the time to fully reintroduce myself yet, but at first sight, there hasn't been that much activity with regard to weblate during my absence. I just noticed that at Weblate two requests were filed to add a new language to Debian Edu Documentation/Buster Manual (Portuguese (pt_PT) and Croatian (hr)). Do we still need a minimal number of translated strings before new languages can be added to the git repo at Salsa? -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op ma 21-10-2019 om 19:49 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 09:41:10PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > Sorry for this late reply, but maybe you remember that I told you > > that > > I would be away for a long time. > > yes I do & welcome back! thank you > > > > cant we sync from weblate to git more often, like daily? > > > > I don't think it's a matter of frequency, but rather a matter of > > sequence. As I see it, in a flawless workflow, all translation > > updates > > from weblate should be pulled in just before a debian-edu-doc > > update > > from the wiki happens. > > while updating (weblate) from git as often as git is updated? Indeed. I thought this was already the case, but I seem to be mistaken at that point, because Weblate is using an outdated pot-file for the moment. > > > Maybe it would be doable over time to integrate > > this procedure in the scripts that make the update from the wiki > > happen. Or would such a workflow be impossible in reality according > > to > > you? > > see my question above first :) I suppose the command line tool wlc could be helpful here. > > > I didn't had the time to fully reintroduce myself yet, but at > > first > > sight, there hasn't been that much activity with regard to weblate > > during my absence. I just noticed that at Weblate two requests were > > filed to add a new language to Debian Edu Documentation/Buster > > Manual > > (Portuguese (pt_PT) and Croatian (hr)). Do we still need a minimal > > number of translated strings before new languages can be added to > > the > > git repo at Salsa? > > yes. > > Sadly I dont remember what I considered a minimum before, so this > time > we should add that number to documentation/common/README.common- > translations :/ > > Maybe 15%? > > (There's quite some cost in adding a new language, first it needs to > be > added to d/copyright and some Makefile snipplets, then eventually it > will > result in a new binary package being added, etc.) I understand. Both Portugese and Croatian are by far not at 15% yet. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op wo 23-10-2019 om 20:23 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22:48PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > I suppose the command line tool wlc could be helpful here. > > oh oh oh. Do you know more by now or can you find out? > By now I don't know much more than what can be found in "man wlc" So I guess I need some more time to take a closer look at it. I'll come back to it later in a new thread. > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op do 24-10-2019 om 14:59 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:22:48PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > while updating (weblate) from git as often as git is updated? > > > > Indeed. > > > please update weblate, I've updated some manuals in git from the > wiki. > Thank you for notifying me. I would like to update Weblate, but I don't know how I should handle the current situation. Let me explain. Debian-edu-doc on salsa and debian-edu-doc on weblate have diverged which leads to merge conflicts. In the past I handled such a situation as follows: 1. - on my PC, msmerge the weblate translation updates with the current pot-files from salsa and commit the results to salsa. That, I did yesterday. Thus, at this moment the git repo on salsa has up to date translations for all languages, both the ones that are maintained at weblate and the ones that are directly maintained at salsa (except for debian-edu-buster-manual.hr.po, translated at 0,5%, and debian-edu- buster-manual.pt_PT.po, translated at 0,6%). 2. - at Weblate, execute a "reset of all changes in the local repository". 3. - at weblate, pull in all changes from salsa. That way the merge conflict was easily resolved without any loss of content. But if I would do a reset at Weblate now, I'm afraid that debian-edu- buster-manual.hr.po and debian-edu-buster-manual.pt_PT.po would get lost. I have no clue on how to handle this. Suggestions are very welcome. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op do 24-10-2019 om 19:06 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 05:55:14PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > Thank you for notifying me. > > I'll try to think off that in future, always. Is it enough to notify > you > via the list or would you prefer to be cc:ed? Thank you for this offer. But in fact, it's not that vital, because I'm subscribed to debian-edu-comm...@alioth-lists.debian.net (thanks to you, if I remember well). > > But if I would do a reset at Weblate now, I'm afraid that debian- > > edu- > > buster-manual.hr.po and debian-edu-buster-manual.pt_PT.po would get > > lost. > > can't you upload those files directly to weblate? Yes, and I will have to do so for now, I suppose, if I go on with this and execute a reset at weblate. But I don't consider it to be a viable solution in the long run, because with those files present on weblate and absent on salsa, there will be always unavoidable merge conflicts. At the weblate side I am unable to merge individual files onto salsa. I only can try and do a global merge. That's the reason why merging all weblate translation updates into salsa before a manual update from the wiki happens, is so important to avoid merge conflicts. > > would maybe using a different branch for weblate help? (a branch > where > not-yet-ready translations could stay...) Probably this could offer a way out. A long-lasting branch "branch-hosted-weblate" (or a much cuter branch name) at salsa, with the not-yet-ready translations included, and that mirrors the master branch at salsa except for the not-yet-ready translations, and that functions as origin for hosted-weblate (this is configurable at the weblate side), would at least bring us back to a situation that can be managed the way I was used to before not-yet- ready translations showed up. With such a setup and with a local copy of salsa and of hosted weblate on my PC, I could merge in individual files and I would be able to solve possible merge conflicts the way I was used to in the past. If we would chose to try out this solution, I woud prefer first to handle things manually for a certain time, in order to get used to the new situation and in order to learn more on possible drawbacks, before moving forward in looking for a procedure that gets things done automatically as much as possible, while avoiding merge conflicts. > > > I have no clue on how to handle this. > > me neither :) > > > Suggestions are very welcome. > > I tried... Very much appreciated. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, It looks like we somewhere lost the mailing list (So Cc-ed it again) Holger Levsen schreef op za 26-10-2019 om 19:55 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > > > > > would maybe using a different branch for weblate help? (a branch > > > where not-yet-ready translations could stay...) > > > > Probably this could offer a way out. > > A long-lasting branch "branch-hosted-weblate" (or a much cuter > > branch > > name) at salsa, with the not-yet-ready translations included, and > > that > > mirrors the master branch at salsa except for the not-yet-ready > > translations, and that functions as origin for hosted-weblate (this > > is > > configurable at the weblate side), would at least bring us back to > > a > > situation that can be managed the way I was used to before not-yet- > > ready translations showed up. > > ok, cool. let's go this route then!(?!) Yes, let's give it a try. > > for the branch name, what about "weblate"? :) Ok, weblate is fine for me. Who should create that branch? > > > With such a setup and with a local copy of salsa and of hosted > > weblate > > on my PC, I could merge in individual files and I would be able to > > solve possible merge conflicts the way I was used to in the past. > > > > If we would chose to try out this solution, I woud prefer first to > > handle things manually for a certain time, in order to get used to > > the > > new situation and in order to learn more on possible drawbacks, > > before > > moving forward in looking for a procedure that gets things done > > automatically as much as possible, while avoiding merge conflicts. > > sounds like a plan! I hope it works out! ;) Not really a plan. Rather a wish to drop as much as possible error prone manual interventions. We'll have to find out how far we can get on this. But that is for later. > > -- Met vriendelijke groet, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op zo 10-11-2019 om 03:57 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > thanks for your updates & please resync the weblate branch from > master once > again. done and thanks for updating d/changelog. I had forgotten to do so. added this morning entry to d/changelog for translation update of Rosegarden manual by Ma Yong. updated also Rosegarden manual copyright information for Simplified Chinese on the wiki. Sometimes it is quite difficult for me not to overlook anything ;- But now all should hopefully be fine. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op zo 10-11-2019 om 15:52 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 11:36:27AM +0100, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > thanks for your updates & please resync the weblate branch from > > > master once > > > again. > > > > done > > and please do so once again... done > > I'm starting to think we should not translate the CopyRight pages, > this > mostly just leads to busywork: > > a.) someone translates something > b.) CopyRight gets updated > c.) this leads to all translations being outdated and we get to step > a.) > again Tedious, indeed > > Thankfully Wolfgang does often trivial unfuzzying/fixing of the > translations, but still, if the CopyRight pages were not translated > in > the first place we would save a lot of work here. > > What do you (all) think about this? I would prefer to have the names and dates part of the CopyRight pages kept out of the pot and po-files and to have them stored elsewhere. So we could have stable translatable Copyright information, something like this: "This document is released under the GPL2 or any later version. The following persons have contributed to it: If you add content to it, please only do so if you are the author. You need to release it under the same conditions! Then add your name here and release it under the "GPL v2 or any later version" licence. All translations of this document are released under the GPL2 or any later version. The following persons contributed to its translation into • German: • Danish: • Dutch: etc." I am not familiar enough with the internals of debian-edu-doc, but otherwise I think I would just have seconded Wolfgangs proposal. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: On coordinating translations of debian-edu-doc: some thoughts
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op wo 20-11-2019 om 20:55 [+]: > hi Frans, > > I've updated the master branch with changes to the English original > again. Please update weblate. > done -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Improvement for https://blends.debian.org/edu/index.nl.html
Hi Wolfgang, I think the Dutch translation of the blends/edu page could be improved slightly by replacing GOsa² Beheershulpmiddel with GOsa² Beheerdershulpmiddel -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: pxe boot: computers old and new kernel problem
Hi Fabrizio, Fabrizio Capurro - Yddu schreef op vr 31-01-2020 om 11:18 [+0100]: > Good morning > > My name is Fabrizio Capurro and I am the (voluntary) administrator of > the computer lab of a school in Italy. How generous, helping out a school with its computer infrastructure on a voluntary basis. I don't now if you are aware that there exists good Italian documentation on Debian Edu. See https://jenkins.debian.net/userContent/debian-edu-doc/debian-edu-doc-it/ . You could also want to install the debian-edu-doc-it package for that. > > With the principal we decided to configure the network with Debian > Edu so that we can take advantage of all 23 PCs, some of which dated > (unfortunately) > > The network is structured as follows: > > 1) Main server (AMD Ryzen 7, 32 Gb ram, 1 SSD 500 Gb, 2 network > cards, Debian Edu 10 64 bit) > 2) 12 PCs with 64 bit processor (thin clients e workstations) > 3) 11 old PCs wth 32 bit processor (thin clients) > > At the moment all these PCs are connected to a Main server and to a > router (10.0.0.1/255.0.0.0) via a switch in the 10.0.X.X network > > All the PCs are configured to start via the LAN (PXE) and the > selection screen is displayed for all the PCs: > > Boot from local harddrive > > LTSP diskless workstation (1) > LTSP thin client (2) > > For the 12 best performing PCs (64 bit) I can easily select the > option (1) or (2) because the computers start perfectly and work > correctly > > For the less performing 11 (32 bit) if I select the option (1) or (2) > the following error appears: > > PXELINUX 6.04 PXE 20190226 Copyright © 1994-2015 H. Peter Anvin et al > This Kirnel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. > Unable to boot – please use a kernel appropriate for you CPU > > Would it be possible in some way to make dated PCs boot with an > appropriate kernel? You have to set up support for older (32 bit) computers. See section 17.2.6. of the manual (Add LTSP chroot to support 32-bit-PC clients). It is the same section number in the Italian manual. It's not just a matter of an appropriate kernel but rather a matter of an appropriate image for the 32 bit clients. > > Is the Debian Edu server able to recognize the hardware that needs to > boot (or even manually set it pc by pc) by "sending" the right > kernel? Yes, this is perfectly possible. See for detailed information Section 17.4 of the manual in general, and more specifically section 17.4.1. LTSP client configuration in LDAP (and lts.conf). > > I thank everyone for any help > regards > > Fabrizio Capurro > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: How to restore the newteacher template in Gosa2?
Wolfgang Schweer schreef op di 18-02-2020 om 21:59 [+0100]: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 08:43:40AM +0100, Roman Meier wrote: > > Unfortunately I managed to accidentally delete the newteacher template > > in > > Gosa2. > > > > How can I restore it? > > You should e able to re-create it. Take a look at the NewStudent > template (main tab, POSIX and Samba tab). The NewTeacher template is > similar, just replace student(s) with teacher(s) in all fields. IIRC, > the only difference is the UID/GID which is 1001 as opposed to 1002 for > the students and the group membership (teachers und students). Just > compare an existing teacher account to be sure about it. > The main server runs a backup service. See section "11.2. Backup Management" of the manual on that topic. So you could restore a backup copy of the file /etc/ldap/gosa.ldif from the day before you made your mistake. That is the file that contains the newteacher template. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Backup
Hi Roman, Roman Meier schreef op do 20-02-2020 om 08:25 [+0100]: > Hi folks, > > After having lost some data I have started to read more about the backup > feature included in Debian Edu. > > The backups on our server seem to run just fine according to the status > page of slbackup.php. However, menuitems "Restore" and "Maintenance" give > no options to choose from. Why? Most likely your /etc/slbackup/slbackup.conf configuration file lay-out is the reason why. > > I also wonder about the "Config" page. Fields under "Server config" are > filled but none are set in "Client config". I don't actually understand > the difference between the 2 sections. I couldn't find any documentation. The package comes with an example configuration file. Take a look at /usr/share/doc/slbackup/examples/slbackup-server+ltsp.conf and compare it to your own /etc/slbackup/slbackup.conf configuration file. The slbackup system is an ordinary client server system. The main server tjener runs the back up service and thus acts as the slbackup server. Machines that have some files and directories backed up are clients. Since also files and directories of tjener are backed up by the slbackup service, tjener is in this respect the backup client. If you have other machines in your network that are backed up, they also are clients. > > Kind regards, > Roman > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: d-e-doc, dropping the Debian Edu Stretch manual
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op vr 21-02-2020 om 14:42 [+]: > > > So I think I will make one upload of d-e-doc including those 3 manuals Before this happens, I would prefer to merge pending translations from weblate: weblate still sees some stretch manual translation updates and I would like to see these efforts honored before dropping the manual forever. Would it suit you if I make that merge happen this weekend? > > Related, this also means that the stretch translation should also be > dropped > from weblate. Or will this happen automatically? I will have to do this by hand. I would prefer to be able to replace the stretch manual by the bullseye one. Do you already know at what date that bullseye manual will be included in the master branch of debian-edu-doc? -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: reverted the last two commits in d-e-doc's master branch
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op vr 21-02-2020 om 14:05 [+]: > hi Frans, > > I've just reverted the last two commits on d-e-docs master branch to be > able > painlessly merge Wolfgangs branch for bullseye, which also has some > modifications > to deal with wiki.d.o changes due to the buster upgrade. thank you for informing me > > I'm sorry this causes some work for you and hope it's not a lot. No problem. They will be merged in again, the next time I do a weblate -> master merge. > > Please shout if this is too annoying for you. > > -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Backup
Hi Roman, Roman Meier schreef op vr 21-02-2020 om 15:10 [+0100]: > Hi Frans, > > I was able to draw inspiration from the example configuration file you > mentioned and our backup is working now. Nice to hear > > However, the configuration file seems not really adequate for production > use of a Debian Edu server. You are right, but it's just an example. Upon the installation of the main server of debian-edu, the following locations are preseded for slbackup: /etc /skole/tjener/home0 /var/backups. So in your configuration file you should normally have the following three location lines under the stanza: location /etc location /skole/tjener/home0 location /var/backups You can add others at your own discretion. I personally prefer to add the line location /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc because I use to tweak some settings in lts.conf and under the /ltsp/ and /X11/ directories in order to comply special needs of some client computers. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: d-e-doc, dropping the Debian Edu Stretch manual
Wolfgang Schweer schreef op vr 21-02-2020 om 18:22 [+0100]: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 03:41:08PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 04:17:01PM +0100, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > Before this happens, I would prefer to merge pending translations > > > from weblate: weblate still sees some stretch manual translation > > > updates and I would like to see these efforts honored before > > > dropping the manual forever. I will have to do this by hand. I would > > > prefer to be able to replace the stretch manual by the bullseye one. > > > Do you already know at what date that bullseye manual will be > > > included in the master branch of debian-edu-doc? > > While the XML, HTML and EPUB versions are all building fine, PDFs don't. > This might require some Bullseye manual changes on wiki.debian.org, > which would also result in changed *.po files. > > So please wait with replacing the manuals on weblate until PDFs > are built. Ack. Just give me a go when everything is ready. Frans > > Wolfgang
Re: d-e-doc, dropping the Debian Edu Stretch manual
Hi, Holger Levsen schreef op vr 21-02-2020 om 15:41 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 04:17:01PM +0100, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > Before this happens, I would prefer to merge pending translations from > > weblate: weblate still sees some stretch manual translation updates and > > I > > would like to see these efforts honored before dropping the manual > > forever. > > ok, cool! > > > Would it suit you if I make that merge happen this weekend? All weblate contributions are now merged into master. > > yes. the sooner the better.. (but no need to hurry, I can wait.) > > > > Related, this also means that the stretch translation should also be > > > dropped > > > from weblate. Or will this happen automatically? > > I will have to do this by hand. I would prefer to be able to replace > > the > > stretch manual by the bullseye one. This transition is now complete as well. >
Re: d-e-doc, dropping the Debian Edu Stretch manual
Hi Wolfgang, Wolfgang Schweer schreef op za 22-02-2020 om 01:01 [+0100]: > > Frans, please go ahead. Thank you. It's done now.
Is it possible that a part of my commit to debian-edu-doc was lost by the git push command?
Hi all,
It seems like a part of the commit that should sync the debian-edu-doc
weblate branch with the master branch was lost somewhere along the way.
Is this possible or am I missing something?
This is what I committed:
[weblate 08f220aa] Keep weblate in sync with master
37 files changed, 17024 insertions(+), 6926 deletions(-)
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[debian-edu-commits] [Git][debian-edu/debian-edu-doc][weblate] Keep weblate
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Re: Is it possible that a part of my commit to debian-edu-doc was lost by the git push command?
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen schreef op do 16-07-2020 om 22:02 [+]: > Hi Frans, > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:12:16PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote: > > > > This is what I committed: > > > > [weblate 08f220aa] Keep weblate in sync with master > > 37 files changed, 17024 insertions(+), 6926 deletions(-) > > > > and this is what git...@salsa.debian.org sends out as its report: > > > > I can see this commit in the weblate branch here locally. so I don't > think there's a real issue, except that mails >40kb (iirc) get into > moderation, > which sometimes takes a few hours until someone gets into doing that. I suspect that salsa can only safely modify a limited number of files in one single commit: my commit changed 37 files, while salsa mentioned only 18 changed files. I ran git diff --name-status master..weblate and this reports only a difference for rosegarden-manual.pl.po between weblate and master (except for the not-yet-ready translations in weblate). So no big issue, but I guess I'd beter split up into smaller commits in the future. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Effort to reduce translatable strings in debian-edu-doc manuals
Hi everyone, While following up on the translation of debian-edu-doc manuals via weblate, I sometimes notice that only trivial translation updates are needed. This is the case, for example, when a new person contributed to a translation, which changes the copyright information about that translation, requiring all translations to be updated again. I think it should be possible to reduce the amount of strings to be translated by filtering out from the POT file as many non-translatable strings as possible. This can be achieved via the po4a program, which is already being used for building the debian-edu-doc manuals. What follows is a kind of a concept note to clarify what I am thinking about. I took the audacity manual as an example, because it is very limited in size. What I propose is far from being ready to go into production. It still needs further development. Also how exactly to integrate this into the current building process of the PO and POT files and of the translated documentation, has yet to be elaborated. Thoughts and comments are very welcome. Here goes the proposal. ***1*** about the actual po4a.cfg The actual po4a.cfg looks like this: [po_directory] . [type: docbook] audacity-manual.xml \ $lang:$lang.xml \ opt:"-o untranslated='' -M UTF-8 -k 15" As far as I can tell the option -o untranslated='' has no effect on the audacity manual and could be dropped safely. ***2*** proposal for an updated p04a.cfg I would propose to add a pot_in element to po4a.cfg this would make po4a.cfg look like this. [po_directory] . [type: docbook] audacity-manual.xml \ pot_in:audacity-manual_stripped.xml \ $lang:$lang.xml \ opt:"-M UTF-8 -k 15" Explanation: With po4a it is possible to hide some strings for translators. For that purpose one can build a audacity-manual_stripped.xml (this is a random name) that omits untranslatable strings and is used for the creation of the pot and po files, while the original xml file (audacity-manual.xml in this case) will be used to build the translated documents. ***3*** an example script to create audacity-manual_stripped.xml from audacity-manual.xml. For each manual such a script will be different, because the paragraphs that need to be kept out of the POT files will differ for each manual. Such a script could be located in the scripts directory under debian-edu- doc/documentation. For the audacity manual I in fact propose two scripts: a dash script (the main script) that also calls a sed script. I hope the scripts are self explanatory. ** Below, firstly, the dash script (ugly named strip-aud-untrans.sh) ** #!/bin/sh if [ $# -ne 2 ] then echo " You need to pass exactly 2 parameters." echo " Usage:\n ./strip-aud-untrans.sh audacity/audacity- manual.xml audacity/audacity-manual_stripped.xml" exit fi # call sed script strip-aud.sed to strip some # untranslatable paragraphs from audacity-manual.xml. ./strip-aud.sed $1 > $2 # reappend the last two lines to prevent xml to be brokenn. sed -i '$s%^$%\n%' $2 ** Below, secondly, the sed script (evenly ugly named strip-aud.sed) ** #!/bin/sed -f # Usage: ./strip-aud.sed audacity/audacity-manual.xml > audacity/audacity- manual_stripped.xml # delete paragraphs that just have a # (no need to translate html links) /^ # (no need to translate the name of inserted images) /^/,+1d # remove everything from up to end of file # this is the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE # (not to be translated according to the text in the manual) # perhaps it is even better to also strip section 17) //,$d ***4*** Discussion The above proposal only strips a very reduced number of paragraphs. More paragraphs could be stripped, provided a slightly different wording of the audacity manual. For example (this wording uses two paragraphs, which would make it possible to strip the paragraph with the html link): There exists a frequently updated wiki version at: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Manuals/Audacity"/> instead of (the actual wording uses one paragraph): The version at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Manuals/Audacity"/> is a wiki and updated frequently. One also could reword the translation copyright paragraphs (using two paragraphs): The Dutch translation is released under the GPL v2 or any later version and is copyrighted by: Frans Spiesschaert (2014, 2018, 2019, 2020) instead of (the actual wording in one paragraph): The Dutch translation is copyrighted by Frans Spiesschaert (2014, 2018, 2019, 2020) and is released under the GPL v2 or any later version. Doing so, one could keep the name of the translators out of the pot file. ***5*** End of the proposal. As already mentioned before, thoughts andcomments welcome. -- Kind regards, Frans Spiesschaert
Re: Effort to reduce translatable strings in debian-edu-doc manuals
Hi Wolfgang
Wolfgang Schweer schreef op vr 24-07-2020 om 13:49 [+0200]:
> Hi Frans,
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> thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thank you for your comments and for keeping me alert.
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> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:07:40PM +0200, Frans Spiesschaert wrote:
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> > I think it should be possible to reduce the amount of strings to be
> > translated by filtering out from the POT file as many non-translatable
> > strings as possible.
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> While this is possible, it's not trivial at all.
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> Yes, it's supposed to be complicated.
While I do agree that it won't be easy, I still think that it should be
possible to at least make some progress on this.
But let me make this clear: it cannot be acceptable to make existing things
worse by changing certain things.
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> > Here goes the proposal.
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> > [po_directory] .
> >
> > [type: docbook] audacity-manual.xml \
> > pot_in:audacity-manual_stripped.xml \
> > $lang:$lang.xml \
> > opt:"-M UTF-8 -k 15"
> >
> >
>
> The master XML file (in this case audacity-manual.xml) is generated via
> 'make update' from the related AllInOne wiki page. This procedure is
> already far from being trivial, including various hacks.
I am aware of it, and it would be unacceptable to break things.
>
> >
> > # delete paragraphs that just have a
> > # (no need to translate the name of inserted images)
> > /^/,+1d
>
> IMO this would imply to drop alt names for the images (most of them have
> one) which might not be wanted. (I tried to get rid of the image issue
> some time ago and refrained from doing so.)
You are right on this. By stripping the whole paragraph, not only the image
name, but also the alt name is stripped. As far as the audacity manual is
concerned, I don't consider it a deterioration, because the alt names are
just a repetition of the filename. And putting my translator head on, I
never translate file names.
Things are different, though, for the bullseye manual for instance. In that
manual some alt names are proper descriptions of the file content, and as a
translator, I want to translate such strings. So stripping the whole
paragraph would indeed be a deterioration instead of an improvement.
>
> >
>
> As far as the translators issue is concerned:
>
> IMO this could be dropped completely. (some examples were given)
This is an option definitely worth considering, but I would prefer to keep
giving credit to translators, as long as this wouldn't imply each time a
POT-file update. Translating a manual such as the bullseye manual is quite
an effort that is worth being given credit for (if reasonably possible).
> The translators could be credited, though - via an (optional) addendum
> file for a
> specific translation.
This is a solution that is used by Lucas Nussbaum for his packaging-
tutorial and it is also an option that is suggested by the developers of
po4a.
However, such .add files can reasonably only be created by the translators
themselves because it needs to be written in their own language.
Lucas Nussbaum therefore made a README.translators file in his source, that
reads
"Crediting your work:
See po4a/add_fr/fr.add for an example of adding an additional slide at the
end, and the fr.po file for an example of adding your name on the title
slide."
But for translators using hosted-weblate for their translations, creating
such an extra file isn't an option.
Therefore I am still in favour of a rewording of the translation copyright
paragraphs.
I am aware that the file scripts/get_copyright parses the xml or po files
to collect this information.
So if we would alter the wording of the translation copyright paragraphs,
we would have to adapt that script to the new situation (without breaking
anything of course).
>
> For the Bullseye manual translations, a related p4a.cfg file and
> sample {de,nl,nb} addendum files are attached. With these files present
> in
> 'documentation/debian-edu-bullseye' of a local debian-edu-doc git clone,
> running 'LINGUA=nb make html' will generate a modified HTML manual file
> which can be opened locally. Click the first link on the page to see the
> translator credits. Same applies to (nl) and (de).
>
Thank you for those suggestions and examples. Let's say that I put them on
hold for the moment, until it is proven that what I am aiming for is
unfeasible (I hope not, of course).
Frans
