Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with owner@bugs.debian.org (fwd)
Dear all, I replied to this as well, but didn't cc to the list. Here is the original message for reference. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward-elect of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:23 +0100 (BST) From: "M.C. Vernon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Volunteer(s) wanted to help with [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1. Reading and responding to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail. Usually this > is routine, and just means you have to mail people saying `you sent > this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when [EMAIL PROTECTED] was not the right place'. > Many > messages are followups of various kinds to bug reports, and there are > occasional messages with instructions for [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent there > too. This is not a technically skilled job, but some familiarity with > the Debian Project's organisation would be necessary. Ian, I'll do this if you like, but: 1)My connectivity over the summer vac is slow 2)I don't claim to be a technical wizard of any description 3)You might not want a student doing that sort of official stuff But yes, I am quite happy to give it a go. HTH, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward-elect of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's after slink
How about naming it after species of penguin? That should keep us going for a little while... "I like my new debian emperor system" ;) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: what's after slink
On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, David Welton wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:06:20AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote: > > Hey that's the best Idea yet. Rockhoppers are my favorite varity. > > BTW there are several dozen species (took the kids to the NY aquarium > > this summer.) Glad people like the idea :) I think probably common names to start with =>they sound nicer and don't really need explaining. By the time we've got through all of these, then maybe they'll have discovered some more ;) Matthew > > -- > > > > How about naming it after species of penguin? > > > > That should keep us going for a little while... > > > > "I like my new debian emperor system" ;) > > Yeah, this is good. Quite 'in tune' with Linux, a bit more > interesting names (I'm sorry, but buzz, bo, hamm, slink, etc, just > sound boring to me..:-), not specific to any country or continent > (well, southern hemisphere, but...). > > Emperor, Rockhopper, King, Adelie, Chinstrap, Gentoo, Macaroni, Royal, > Snares, Erected Crested, Fiordland, African, Humboldt, Magellanic, > Galapagos, Yellow Eyed, Little Blue > -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Debian logo
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:25:07PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > > > > I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. > > > We should run a gimp contest. They produced the Gnome logo, and there are > > > artists as well as designer. They'll come up with a good, inspiring logo, > > > I'm sure. We should vote the winner. > > > > good idea. > > > > i *really* like the GNU & Penguin one. (see the default index.html on a > > new apache install if you don't know what i mean.) something based on > > that would be great. > > Well, I do not like it, and because I think this is important, I want to > give the most importnat reasons for me to dislike any GNU or penguin motive: > > * Debian should develop it's own identity. We are a strong enough entity to > be considered a parallel, but seperate movement from GNU and Linux. We owe > much to both, but still, we are not simply derivates, we are more, and we > should reflect that in our logo. It is "Debian GNU/Linux", not only > "GNU/Linux". The next point elaborates: > > * Debian does combine GNU and Linux sources, and embraces both. But this > is not what defines us. The logo should reflect Debian, not two core > software components we use for our purpose (to turn it into a joke, I want > to make the GNU carry the X logo, and the penguin to carry the apache logo, > and behind them Larry should raise his hands and praise them both ;) > > * Although the Hurd and Linux share some code, they are differently. As I'm > working on the Debian GNU/Hurd port, I find the analogy of the picture you > have in mind and "Debian GNU/Linux" at least a bit weak. Note: The picture > was drawn before we started with Debian GNU/Hurd. > > * Furthermore, we must be able to trademark the logo. A reference to an > existing logo would be more difficult to trademark. > > I consider the first point the most important one. If I would propose any > theme for the gimp contest, I would make it a condition that no reference to > the GNU logo or Linux logo must be made. This also increases creativity and > inspiration, in my honest opinion. A bit of an AOL, but I agree. It is interesting that /. doesn't use the red penguin when referring to us - it has anothere icon. I'm not convinced by that one either, but Given that the debian project embraces more than just GNU/Linux, our logo should as well. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: office package
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:59:52PM +0200, Bart Schuller wrote: > > > I wonder if and when we get together a real office package under gnome. I > > > wouldlove to see that. My personal favorites would be a glyx, gtksql with > > > poistgresql and a spreadsheet, currently siag seems to be the best bet. > > > But > > > that one's not with gtk either. What interface(s) does siag have ATM. I want to develop some gtk stuff (and more serious stuff than the virtual poohsticks) - so would this be something to cut my teeth on? The main obstacle ATM is trawling throught the pgp documentation to find out what a key-signing is (I still don't see how it works wrt becoming a developer). Maybe at a more sensible time of day Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: dbugging dselect
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, David Stern wrote: > install attempt in dselect error message: > - > [..unmet dependencies, blah, blah.. ] > dependencies: > perl-suid: Depends:perl > libpam0: Depends:libpam0g > perl: Depends:perl-base I missed the original message, but what exactly are the dependancy probs? If it's just those above, why not install them with dpkg and then run dselect again? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Ropes in stl (was Re: lack of wstring in libstdc++2.8-dev)
> void main(void) BTW, main returns int, not void. See the comp.lang.c FAQ for the bit of the C standard that defines this - main is incorrectly said to return void in a number of texts though. HTH, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Thoughts on installation
> The second problem was installing X (an issue which I get the impression > is already being addressed). Basically the X configuration process died on > me all 4 times I tried it during install, leaving .dkpg-new files > everywhere, so the only option was to install only the base system, and > then manually install and configure X later on. I'm inclined to suggest that the create base-configuration bit should be removed - I've always preferred to get all the packages downloaded first, and then play about with getting X setup... Maybe XF86Setup when it exits successfully should offer to set xdm to start automatically? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Test
Sorry to spam you guys, but I my inbox is uncharactaristically empty Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
PGP question
I have a slight problem with PGP: I do my development on pick and can post from there (but don't) - all my email is done from cus (and I'm not sure if it can cope with PGP) So do I: post from pick, and hope no-one sends me encrypted mail or what? I need to sort this out before I do pgpkeygen and apply to be a developer... Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: new unstable please
On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Thomas Lakofski wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that with the transition to frozen, as expected, packages too > unstable to be in frozen have vanished (on ftp.debian.org, at least). I > hope I can expect a new unstable to appear within a few days, if only to > drop those packages which were removed from frozen into it. > > I guess a name needs to be agreed on. IMHO we should go for emperor. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Michael Bramer wrote: > All is in german. No part is in english. sorry. Does this mean there's little point in English-only people turning up? (maybe if we get enough debian people there, we can have a bilingual stall :)) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, David Welton wrote: > The kernel is stable, but is the kernel + debian stable? No one > knows. Well, assuming it's an improvement on the pre-release ones, we can make a pretty good guess :) > I think we should include it, as a service to people who don't want to > download the whole thing, but attach a note saying "As 2.2 was > released just before we released slink, we are including it, but there > may be problems, it might eat your computer... we are not responsible > for anything at all..." But we say that anyway! I don't think there's any need to FUD 2.2, but we could perhaps include the fact that it is relatively untested on debian at the time of release, and to check bugs.debian.org Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > > As well, my roommate and I were going to also make a character sheet > > program (hence the reason for making the rolldice stuff a library), so we > > could just enter the data, and either save it to a file or go ahead and > > print it out... my roommate has been working on GTK+ for the occasion > > Why do I get the idea I should bring up once again my hope to gather a > sizable group of people to build a game system which is released under > free license and available to anyone with a web browser and the like? => IMHO a RMSS character auto-gen would be a Good Thing(TM). It's a pain in the to do by hand (usually with lots of math errors), and there are plenty of 'doze things around. I'll do the maths if someone will do the UI (and docs :) ) Matthew (developer application being processed) -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack
> > Why do I get the idea I should bring up once again my hope to gather a > > sizable group of people to build a game system which is released under > > free license and available to anyone with a web browser and the like? => > > I'm all for it! How about it, anyone else interested? :) Me too We could call it gnuice :-) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 03:24:28PM +0000, M.C. Vernon wrote: > > > > > > Why do I get the idea I should bring up once again my hope to gather a > > > > sizable group of people to build a game system which is released under > > > > free license and available to anyone with a web browser and the like? > > > > => > > > > > > I'm all for it! How about it, anyone else interested? :) > > > > Me too We could call it gnuice :-) > > I would have to bop you then... => But it would be under a free > software type license, probably GPL or LGPL rewritten so they actually > seem to apply to what is essentially going to be documentation and images > and the like as opposed to source code to an executable. I guess source code in this context is the \latex source for the rulebook? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 10:23:51AM +0000, M.C. Vernon wrote: > > > > > I'm all for it! How about it, anyone else interested? :) > > > > > > > > Me too We could call it gnuice :-) > > > > > > I would have to bop you then... => But it would be under a free > > > software type license, probably GPL or LGPL rewritten so they actually > > > seem to apply to what is essentially going to be documentation and images > > > and the like as opposed to source code to an executable. > > > > I guess source code in this context is the \latex source for the rulebook? > > It would be if I were writing latex.. => I'm not, though. I may use > debiandoc maybe, but most likely I'm going to use plain HTML. I guess HTML makes sense really. I've never tried debiandoc though Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Reality check!
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > installation easier requires hard work. If it would be easy, it would have > > been long done. The trick is to keep flexibility (and don't tell me SuSE is > > flexibel). Doing it easy for the newbie and configurable for the experienced > > user requires a well though out configuration and administration system. At > > least for multi-installation this is currently developed on the > > debian-admintool list. > > I suspect that it is impossible to get the best of both worlds > in a single solution. You would probably end up with the worst of both. > Perhaps it would be good to consider two (2) different installations > One the same/similar to what we have - and another that caters to newbies > ie. one that is easy/basic and satisfies the pedagogocal requirments of the > new user. If debian were able to have both the advanced capability that > it has now AND a simple basic install for novices and teaching purposes > it would stand out amongst all other dists. Would it not? Like who else > has thought about the REAL requirements of the newbie? I mean as a future > technical user? I would see this as a RH-style - so a rather bloated kernel which includes lots of stuff as standard, and asks them the pertinent questions all at once at the beginning, and then gets on with it. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Debian booth at linuxworld, volenteers wanted
On 25 Jan 1999, Dale E. Martin wrote: > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I just received confirmation that LinuxCentral is funding a booth at the > > LinuxWorld expo for debian. I'll be organizing it and I'm still looking for > > more volenteers to help man the booth so let me know if you'll be attending > > LinuxWorld. > > Call me ignorant if you like, but when/where is it? San Jose, CA. Why can't we have one in the UK? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: New logo strategy
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, James A. Treacy wrote: > I'd like to thank Wichert for taking on this thankless task. > > I'd also like to ask that we set strict criteria for what constitutes a > logo. I don't feel like going back through the archives, but the criteria > I remember off the top of my head are: > > Works in B+W (the official version may, of course, be in color) > > Works both with and without text at the bottom (Debian GNU/Linux). > You can ignore this point if Debian is an integral part of the logo. > > Not too detailed so it works in low resolution. > > I have the feeling I missed something important. If so, I'm sure someone will > point out my oversight. :) It should also not be linux-specific (this is my suggestion) - we do have debian GNU/Hurd you know :) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Debian logo contest, step 2
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > I just got word back from Sven Riedel, the guy in charge of organizing > gimp contests. He was happy with our request, and was willing to organize > the whole thing. The contest will start in februari, after the current > contest (dreams) ends. Details and submissions will be at the usual > site: http://contest.gimp.org/ . What exactly has been asked for? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Call for mascot! :-)
> 1. Dragon (well-liked choice on IRC) Cool. As long as it's a decent dragon > 2. Octopus (my own suggestion) OK > 3. Monkey No > 4. Ant no > 5. Bee no :) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:21:38AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > What about dpkg-multicd? > > > > I have no objection to cdrom being replaced with dpkg-multicd. > > But dpkg-multicd is more than multiple-cds. There's multi-nfs, > multi-mount, ... that replace nfs, mounted, ... > That's why we think dpkg default methods can be removed/extracted to a > different package. I still use nfs or mounted (I have /sunsite always pointing to sunsite, which is where I get my packages from) and dselect. It's always worked fine for me, so I feel no need to change. > > > If you still need dpkg default methods, a proper solution would be to > > > extract them to a different package (say, dpkg-defaults), make dpkt-ftp, > > > dpkg-mountable, dpkg-multicd, dpkg-defaults, apt ... provide a virtual > > > package "dpkg-method" and make dpkg depend on dpkg-method. So then I have to download a bunch of packages if I want to grab a package of my CD, or use nfs, or ftp for when I want something from incoming > > I don't call the 6 options currently in my dselect's access menu crowded, > > I'd say it was flexible. > > If some of those options don't work, some are duplicated, and there's no > way to get rid of them, that's crowded. The ones that don't work should be removed, but there should be backwards compatibility in the interface (i.e. people who have used cd/ftp/nfs/mounted depending on circumstances should be able to use all of these as the need takes them without having to install loads of packages) YMMV though, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Installation Profiles [was: Re: Reality check!]
> [ redundant emacs versions ] > > Well, I'll suggest that for potato. It will start a nice flame-war on > > debian-devel "emacs vs. xemacs". > > > Hey, that's just what we need at this stage for *slink*! >:-) > > Okay, let's be serious again: unfortunately this actually means that > some of the most obvious installation profiles of slink stay to be > unnecessarily bloated. I consider this to be a bad move because the > initial install is something like Debian's advertisement plate (or > visiting card) and the installation of three emacs variants gives a > rather bad impression IMHO. I mean, who would *really* want to have > *three* emacs variants installed at once and above all right at the > first installation stage? Especially given I have never been able to get emacs19 and emacs20 to coexist on a debian system: emacs19 works, but it's config script always fails, and so it is flagged as 1/2 configured. I only use it for reading GROGGS, so I guess that doesn't matter too much. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Call for mascot! :-) -- flying pigs
On 30 Jan 1999, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Kevin Dalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Anderson MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Avery Pennarun wrote: >> > Octopi and ants may also be good, if they have wings. >> >> Octopi with wings? Now -that- is a confusing bunch of appendages, if you >> ask me. =) >Squid is a better choice than octopus. Some of them actually do fly >for short distances. Perhaps glide is more accurate. > > How about a balrog? They have *lots* of eyes; we wouldn't be limited > to 8. Eh? WTF did you get that from? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: Looking for help with ftp archive
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Christian Meder wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 05:12:30PM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > > At 01:30 +0200 1999-09-17, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > >where are you ? Where are the people who criticized the ftpmaster about > > >beeing too slow ? It's time to show that you can do better ... > > > > > >I /REALLY/ hope that someone will step up ! Even if the job is not always > > >funny this is a really useful job for Debian. > > > > I replied privately because I didn't think answering on -devel was > > appropriate. > > Me too. Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://www.pick.ucam.org/
