[gwolf@gwolf.cx: Bug#158547: imp: Excessive packages listed as dependencies]

[Ola Lundqvist]

Hi

Is this really a bug?

Regards,

// Ola

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Package: imp
Version: N/A
Severity: normal

IMP depends on many packages marked as essential, such as sed or grep, which
should not appear explicitly listed.

(It also depends on many packages from 'standard': binutils, perl, 
mail-transport-agent. I don't remember if those should be also listed)


-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Kernel Version: Linux conetontli 2.4.18 #1 Thu Jun 13 09:08:16 CST 2002 alpha 
unknown unknown GNU/Linux



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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Ola Lundqvist]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, J. Scott Edwards wrote:
> 
> I guess I was worried that they are so trivial that any of the real
> programmers on this list could recreate them in 5 minutes with sed, awk,
> and perl. :)
> 
> But, well ok:
> 
> little endian hex dump
May be interesting.

> tab and untab (I just discovered that this can be done with pr).
If it can be done with something else it might not be too necessary. It
is your choice though. 

> find a file within a file
> duplicate file remover
> file renamer (that can change case).
> file slicer (that can slice up a file into different size chunks).
These tools can be really nice, especially in a nice package. :)

> display id3 tags in mp3 files
> remove id3 tags in mp3 files
> generate id3 tags from file name (probably not generally useful).
Could be packaged together. If there are plenty of those already packaged
it might not be necessary though.

> convert wave <--> raw audio files
> examine wave/raw audio files and print stats
> change amplitude of wave/raw audio files
> adjust lead in/lead out of wave/raw audio files
Could be packaged together too.

> 
> There's a few others, but that is the general idea...

Regards,

// Ola

> -Scott
> 
> 
> On 27 Aug 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 17:11, J. Scott Edwards wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have a compiler (based upon SmallEiffel) and a bunch of dumb little
> > > utilites that I have been planning to make .deb files for.  But I don't
> > > know if they have enough general appeal to make them official, or if I
> > > should just make them and put them on my SourceForge project pages.  Does
> > > anybody have any recommendations?
> >
> > Should you not describe them.  You haven't given much detail here, you
> > know...
> >
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> >   have fervent love among yourselves; for love shall
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gconf breakage

[Andres Salomon]

Can someone please apply the patch from #157937 to gconf, and upload?
Galeon is uninstallable, atm.  I have a NMU package prepared for gconf,
if no one fixes this soon.


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Re: New package netfilter-init to experimental?

[Marc Haber]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:47:41 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Marc Haber wrote:
>> machine takes seven minutes to build a new rule set. It is so slow
>> because everything is implemented as shell scripts. There are plans to
>> convert the significant part of code to C++ and to use iptables
>> --restore to establish the rule set instead of issueing bazillions of
>> iptables calls.
>
>Well, have a look on ipmasq, it uses shell scripts, and I find it to be
>"fast enough"...

I forgot to mention that netfilter-init is a heavily hacked ipmasq.
You will still notice the same structure, but many things have been
added since 1999 when I took ipmasq to start ipchains-init.

>Yes, your package is good enough for experimental, but it makes little sense
>to upload there unless you are going to publically encourage people to use
>it...

The reason I am thinking about experimental is to announce its
publication, and to get rid of the people asking me for the package ;)

Greetings
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 06:02:24PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
> Am 27.08.02 um 14:24:57 schrieb Igor Genibel:
> > - the number of opened bugs (All, RC, ...);
> 
> Either I don't understand the statistics, or it's not correct. For
> instance, on http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php?login=nick you
> can see there is 1 bug for the file package. But in fact there's dozens.
> How come?

It is now fixed. Thanks a lot for the report ;)

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Michael Piefel]

Am 27.08.02 um 13:38:36 schrieb Joey Hess:
> - It seems to think that analog 2:5.23-0woody1 is a NMU.

I don't quite understand these colours right now. What does
"Packages in blue" refer to? The link colour? And I don't see many
"Packages version in red" either, even when I'm sure it's an NMU.

> - On a 1280 pixel wide display, I can only see half of a line of the
>   table at a time.

I don't have any problems. 1600 pixels is enough in my font :-)

>   ... on my screen they go off the page when I get 17 packages down
>   the list.

But that's your own fault: You maintain too many packages!

Bye,
Mike

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Igor Genibel 

| I have enhanced the ddpo  (http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php)
| following all the request you made me (especially Yann Dirson).
| Now you, developers, can track  all  the  informations  about  all  your
| packages such as:
| - the pts related page about packages (Thanks a lot to Raphaël Hertzog);

could this link be moved to a column on its own?  Also, it seems like
neither PTS, nor your system handles udebs gracefully.  For udebs,
unstable == testing, ATM.

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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* "J. Scott Edwards" 

| file renamer (that can change case).

what's wrong with rename(1)?

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Michael Koch]

Hello,

I found another bug. In the list of available packages the source 
libsigc++-1.1 is visibile/accessible but libsigc++ does not seem to exist.

Michael

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 08:53:11AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Hi Igor,

Hi,

> > I have enhanced the ddpo  (http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php)
> > following all the request you made me (especially Yann Dirson).
> 
> The site looks great!  One request, is it possible to add submit buttons
> for each of the various forms on the page?  At first glance, it is not at
> all obvious to me that the one submit button on the page has nothing to
> do with the box where I typed in my email address. :)

There are now submit buttons.

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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Romain Lerallut]

Thus spake J. Scott Edwards on Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600:
> file renamer (that can change case).

Just asking: anything that mmv can't do ?

regards,
Romain

Re: [gwolf@gwolf.cx: Bug#158547: imp: Excessive packages listed as dependencies]

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:17:02AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> Is this really a bug?


  Packages are not required to declare any dependencies they have on
  other packages which are marked `Essential' (see below), and should
  not do so unless they depend on a particular version of that package.


The bug report speaks about sed and grep, imp have for both of them a
versioned depend, so this seems not to be a bug.

Cheers.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 03:57:14AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > Although, I have one request -- please skip the ampersand in URLs like
> > 'build.php?&pkg=foo', they are redundant and they waste bytes :)
> 
> On the same note, please add the missing / in pool URLs, to skip the
> redirect and follow the spec, thus also conserving bytes :)

The two requests were applied ;)

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Raphael Hertzog]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:25:42AM +0200, Michael Piefel écrivait:
> I don't quite understand these colours right now. What does
> "Packages in blue" refer to? The link colour? And I don't see many

Packages in blue are packages where you're listed as co-maintainers (cf
the Uplpoaders field in the control file).

> "Packages version in red" either, even when I'm sure it's an NMU.

I guess it detects the NMU with a regexp in the version number. What's
the version number in question that is badly detected ?

> > - On a 1280 pixel wide display, I can only see half of a line of the
> >   table at a time.

Same problem here, the table is getting too large. I wish we could use a
extended/simple. The extended view would show the less useful columns
(uninstallable reports, debcheck links, ...)

> But that's your own fault: You maintain too many packages!

Repeating the header every 15 packages looks reasonable. :)

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Re: OpenLDAP with TLS support

[Junichi Uekawa]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:05:10 +0200
Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:18:43PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
>  
> > Using objdump -T to look at it,
> > ldap_pvt_tls_get_peer and other things that are ldap_*_tls_*
> > seems to be defined only on the TLS version, and not on the
> > other version. 
> 
> pvt -> private. I don't think a user application is allowed to use 
> them. slapd certainly does and needs the TLS version of the lib.

Hmm.. so diverting is a bad idea, right ?


regards,
junichi

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Raphael Hertzog]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 03:51:11AM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:24:57PM +0200, Igor Genibel wrote:
> > I have enhanced the ddpo  (http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php)
> > following all the request you made me (especially Yann Dirson).
> > Now you, developers, can track  all  the  informations  about  all  your
> > packages such as:
> > - the pts related page about packages (Thanks a lot to Raphaël Hertzog);
> 
> Man, these two things really rock :) Need to get them somewhere under
> .debian.org...

For the PTS, it's in the process, I'm working with debian-admin to get
it installed under the official PTS name :
http://packages.qa.debian.org

For Igor, we could provide him a place somewhere under qa.debian.org if
he wish I guess. Igor, can you check if satie.debian.org provides
everything that you need ?

Cheers,
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Re: can a non developper become a debian maintainer ?

[Rémi Letot]

Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:50, Rémi Letot wrote:
>> I have a simple question : can a non developper type become a debian
>> maintainer ? The reason is that I use debian on multiple servers and
>> workstations, and I'd like to contribute to the project. I'm
>> definitely not a developper, more a sysadmin. I know debian quite
>> well. I can also compile, install, and manage non packaged software,
>> and occasionnaly find and correct some small or obvious bugs. But I
>> couldn't really develop anything big, or tackle real big bugs (but
>> then these are more upstream's task than debian's).

> There are many Debian packages that involve little or no serious
> programming, packages of scripts, packages of example files,
> packages of documentation.

As I wrote, if I want to keep my comitment to the task for a long time
(which is a requirement IMO), I need to have a real daily use for what
I'm packaging. This could not be the case for documentation and things
like that. Maybe when I have another task in debian I could handle
things like that (I like documenting), but I first need something to
keep me commited, ie a package that I actually use.

> If you can do some basic programming and the upstream author is very
> helpful then you'll be able to manage packages of serious programs
> too.

Looking at the rate of development, upstream seems really
reactive. I'll soon make contact with them, and see if they are
interrested in helping me should the need arise.

> With one exception, for every package I maintain I've had to do new upstream 
> development, and debugging of serious bugs that the upstream maintainer 
> didn't have the time or the ability to do.  Being a good coder is a 
> pre-requisite for maintaining all the packages I've ever maintained IMHO.

Yeah, but you seem to have a tendency to package what I call
infrastructure type software (lilo, kernel-patches, devfs,
selinux,...). Not that there is any problem with that, but these kind
of things are very sensitive, and I think you don't qualify for an
"average DD" (if there is such a thing)

Thanks for your input. I'll wait some more for other opinions, and
contact upstream to see if they'd like to have it included in debian,
then packjage it and apply to NM.
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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Marcelo E. Magallon]

>> Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 > > tab and untab (I just discovered that this can be done with pr).
 > If it can be done with something else it might not be too necessary. It
 > is your choice though. 

 JFYI, it can also be done with expand.

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Re: gconf breakage

[Michael Fedrowitz]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:39:35AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:

 Hi,

> Can someone please apply the patch from #157937 to gconf, and upload?
> Galeon is uninstallable, atm.  I have a NMU package prepared for gconf,
> if no one fixes this soon.

I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that gconf and gconf2 need to go in at
the same time when I submitted those patches. Oh, well, uploading now...

-Michael

Re: PHP4 + Oracle

[Sobkowiak Krzysztof]

Am Die, 2002-08-27 um 19.16 schrieb Rob Bradford:
> Can you not use ODBC and the libphp-adodb package?
Where can I get Oracle ODBC driver from?

Re: First experience with gcc-3.2 recompiles

[Gerhard Tonn]

On Sunday 25 August 2002 22:00, you wrote:
> Gerhard Tonn wrote:
> > As I have told in another thread, I am currently rebuilding all packages
> > depending on c++ on s390. All packages have been touched now. The results
> > are:
> >
> > 406 packages have been built successfully
> > 222 packages depend on other packages built with gcc-3.2
> >90 on qt libraries
> >12 on libsigc++
> >  7 on gtkmm
> >  9 on fltk
> >  ...
> > 246 packages haven't been built successfully
> >
> > In most cases a compile error similar to
> >
> > default argument given for parameter 12 of ...
> > after previous specification in ...
> >
> > occurs.
> >
> > The build logs of the packages can be found at
> > http://people.debian.org/~gt/gcc-3.2_transition
>
> I hate to say, but the list of failed packages needs to get
> investigated a little bit, since not all failures seem to be GCC 3.2
> and syntax related:
>
>

I have moved them to 4 subdirectories

- 157 packages in gcc-3.2_specific   
- 46 packages in common (error occurs also with gcc-2.95)
- 3 packages in s390_specific (e.g. ICE)
- 24 packages in build_dep (if build dep packages are not installable)

Gerhard

Re: can a non developper become a debian maintainer ?

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Russell Coker wrote:
> There are many Debian packages that involve little or no serious programming, 
> packages of scripts, packages of example files, packages of documentation.

There are also lots of things to do that don't involve packages (one of
the reasons the nm process doesn't require you to have a package). 
Documentation, translation, etc. for example.

Wichert.

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License-fee exemption for mp3 decoders removed?

[Esteban Manchado Velázquez]

H just read at Slashdot that Thomson and Fraunhofer have changed their
minds and now want to charge for mp3 decoders, too (?).

   http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html
   http://slashdot.org/articles/02/08/27/1626241.shtml?tid=155
   http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/openletter.html

The Slashdot note also says that RedHat is going to remove all the mp3 players
from RawHide, their next distro, but they give no links and I can't find any
related note in the RedHat site in a quick search.

   The first link seems to make things clear, but I suppose I'm still in that
"too weird to believe it" state.

   Thoughts? May we remove every mp3 player in Sid? What about Woody?

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:43:29PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote:

Hi,

> Also, if you search for my GPG key id (20687895) then I get a listing of my
> packages and also those maintained by [EMAIL PROTECTED] We've had issues of
> my being mistaken for Daniel Stone in the past, and I don't appreciate it :)
> (Neither does he I should imagine :)

Sorry for the mistake... This is now fixed

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Bug#158602: RFP: snortcenter -- web-based snort management system written in PHP and Perl

[Benjamin Drieu]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: snortcenter
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* URL : http://users.pandora.be/larc/index.html
* License : GPL
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SnortCenter is a web-based client-server management system written in
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The Management Console will build the configuration files for you and
then send it to the remote sensor.

Some features:
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   the sensor.
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 - One Sensor Agent can handle multiple snort daemons if the system
   has multiple network interfaces.
 - Multi Language support (English, German, French, Spanish, Italian,
   (Dutch soon available) ).
 - Management Console and Sensor Agents for Linux, *NIX, Windows (NT,
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Re: can a non developper become a debian maintainer ?

[Erich Schubert]

> well. I can also compile, install, and manage non packaged software,
> and occasionnaly find and correct some small or obvious bugs. But I
> couldn't really develop anything big, or tackle real big bugs (but
> then these are more upstream's task than debian's).

Well, actually i'm not too great a developer either (except for maybe
Perl stuff, i'm doing quite weird stuff there ;) - but if you know
enough to fix small bugs and install non-packaged stuff, this is easily
enough to package software and become a maintainer.
Even co-maintaining "big" stuff like galeon (well, actually only big
dependencies) isn't too hard, even when doing smaller fixes and addons.
So probably just try doing the usual NM process, i guess it will be fine ;)
And for bigger bugs you always should ask upstream anyway, they probably
know already a fix or are able to find a nicer one. You're not alone ;)

Greetings,
Erich

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:20:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> For Igor, we could provide him a place somewhere under qa.debian.org if
> he wish I guess. Igor, can you check if satie.debian.org provides
> everything that you need ?

I'm sure some will squirm, but I think my.debian.org would work quite
nicely :-)

Hamish
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Thom May]

* Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:20:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > For Igor, we could provide him a place somewhere under qa.debian.org if
> > he wish I guess. Igor, can you check if satie.debian.org provides
> > everything that you need ?
> 
> I'm sure some will squirm, but I think my.debian.org would work quite
> nicely :-)
> 
uh. E
(developer.debian.org, maybe)
-Thom

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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Peter De Wachter]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:59:28PM -0600, J. Scott Edwards wrote:
> convert wave <--> raw audio files
> examine wave/raw audio files and print stats
> change amplitude of wave/raw audio files
> adjust lead in/lead out of wave/raw audio files

Have you looked at sox? It does these things and a lot more, but most
people only know the "play" command :)


Peter De Wachter

Re: License-fee exemption for mp3 decoders removed?

[Josip Rodin]

This is not for -devel!

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Re: OpenLDAP with TLS support

[Roland Bauerschmidt]

Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> Hmm.. so diverting is a bad idea, right ?

Why? slapd depends on libldap2-tls which will divert libldap2 and
install the TLS version as libldap2 instead.

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Bug#158610: ITP: pvm++ -- A C++-library for PVM

[Thimo Neubauer]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: pvm++
  Version : 0.6.0
  Upstream Author : Sebastian Wilhelmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://pvm-plus-plus.sourceforge.net/
* License : LGPL
  Description : A C++-library for PVM

Description: A C++ library for PVM
 This library provides an easy way to program the widely used parallel 
 programming library PVM, which works in homogenous and heterogenous 
 network environments.

Objections? Better versions are welcome.

The packaging will be done by Nick Kepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
who's using pvm++ for his PhD thesis, I'll sponsor him. There'll be
two binary packages libpvm++1 and libpvm++1-dev reflecting the
SONAME-version.

Don't expect an upload before the g++ 3.2 transition plans are
finished.

CU
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Andreas Metzler]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 03:51:11AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:24:57PM +0200, Igor Genibel wrote:
>> I have enhanced the ddpo  (http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php)
>> following all the request you made me (especially Yann Dirson).
>> Now you, developers, can track  all  the  informations  about  all  your
>> packages such as:
>> - the pts related page about packages (Thanks a lot to Raphaël Hertzog);
 
> Man, these two things really rock :) Need to get them somewhere under
> .debian.org...

AOL! - it gets better and better.

I think I've found a small bug, highlighting NMUs in a different color
does not work if there is only version of the package in the whole
archive. For example take a look at
http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php?package=dlocate
 cu andreas

menu entry for kdm?

[Michael Renner]

Moin,
I just started to make some _clean_ packages for my users, but I plan to 
public them later to the community.
I have a problem with the 'menu' system. Making a package for an unusal window 
manager (5dwm) a added the file usr/lib/menu/5dwm which contains:
cut---
?package(5dwm):\
  needs=wm\
  section=WindowManagers\
  longtitle="5Dwm: Indogo Magic Desktop"\
  title=5dwm\
  command=5dwm
cut---
Now I can switch eg. from fvwm to 5dwm, but I habe no entry in the kdm list to 
choose from the start.
What's to do therefor?
Thanks
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Michael Piefel]

Am 28.08.02 um 10:15:45 schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
> Packages in blue are packages where you're listed as co-maintainers (cf
> the Uplpoaders field in the control file).

Alright, but the description "uploaded by developer" is a little
misleading.

> I guess it detects the NMU with a regexp in the version number. What's
> the version number in question that is badly detected ?

For instance 10a-1.1 for package kimwitu-doc.  Or 3.37-3.1 for file.

Bye,
Mike

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RE: Sharp SPAM [marketing@sharpsystems.com: Special Price Offer f or Select Sharp Systems Products]

[Kozikowski, Mark]

Erich,

Good comment.

I too will ensure that Sharp products are not included in any future
systems that I or the company that I work for design.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Erich Schubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:33 PM
To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sharp SPAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Special Price Offer for
Select Sharp Systems Products]


It appears that Sharp Systems systematically spammed writers to the
Debian-Laptop list, which certainly is an abuse of the debian lists.
(they did not spam the list, so they don't directly violate the
anti-spam rules of debian though) The spam arrived 12. Aug 2002.
I was spammed shortly after posting there about LCD screens, and a few
other posters confirmed my assumption that this resulted to that spam.

The SPAM contained correct headers and was properly addressed,
mailserver was gatekeeperil2.sharpsec.com, which is registered to sharp
as well. It even refers to a probably correct Sharp Freecall number
(although i do not live in the USA, so i can't call it)

I did NOT request any information from Sharp, especially not about LCD
screens (why should i buy an LCD screen in the States, where i have to
pay shipment to Europe, when i've got a 1600x1200 LCD in my non-Sharp
fine notebook?)

It's a shame that a compaby i though once as a major player relies on
such dodgy - and in many countries ILLEGAL - methods of annoying
potential customers. Guess i'll drop them into my filter list, or
wait for them to spam me again, then sue them.

Greetings,
Erich

Well, i hope this public complaint and discredit, which most probably
be kept in the archives on the net for a long time will make them stop
doing such inpolite things and reconsider their marketing strategies...
I also now decided that I won't spend my money on a "Sharp Zaurus".
(I didn't really intend to buy any PDA anyway).

- Forwarded message from Sharp Systems Marketing
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Organisation: Sharp Systems of America
From: "Sharp Systems Marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Erich Schubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Special Price Offer for Select Sharp Systems Products

Erich Schubert,
Sharp Systems of America is offering its award-winning products at a special
price to select customers and companies!
Come to www.sharpsystems.com and look at our award winning line of notebook
PCs and LCD monitors.
>From now until September 30, 2002 you are entitled to receive a $100 rebate
when purchasing any of the following products from Sharp Place: Actius
MV10W, Actius UM30W or LL-T1820B LCD monitor.
Simply order your product from www.sharpplace.com, and send a copy of this
offer along with your on-line receipt from Sharp Place to: Sharp Systems,
5901 Bolsa Ave, Huntington Beach, CA 92647 
For more info, check out our website, or call us at (800) BE-SHARP.

*if you prefer not to receive mailings in the future, please send an email
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 03:26:44PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:

Hi,

> Am 28.08.02 um 10:15:45 schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
> > Packages in blue are packages where you're listed as co-maintainers (cf
> > the Uplpoaders field in the control file).
> 
> Alright, but the description "uploaded by developer" is a little
> misleading.
> 
> > I guess it detects the NMU with a regexp in the version number. What's
> > the version number in question that is badly detected ?
> 
> For instance 10a-1.1 for package kimwitu-doc.  Or 3.37-3.1 for file.

I don't use a regexp for this stuff but the Uploader: field in the
Sources.gz file. 
For those packages there are no Uploader field so *you* are not
considered as a NMUer. The blue color appears only if you are the
uploader not the maintainer of NMUed package.
For example:
http://people.debian.org/~igenibel/index.php?package=apt-proxy

show us that Chris Halls is the maintainer of apt-proxy (apt-proxy
displayed in black) but Manuel Estrada Sainz is the uploader.

I don't know why there is no Uploader field for those packages.
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Michael Piefel]

Am 28.08.02 um 16:03:28 schrieb Igor Genibel:
> > For instance 10a-1.1 for package kimwitu-doc.  Or 3.37-3.1 for file.
> I don't know why there is no Uploader field for those packages.

Because packages are not required to have an "Uploaders" field. I'm
afraid I don't quite understand your algorithm. For which package will
there ever be a red markup?

Bye,
Mike

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Raphael Hertzog]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:17:13PM +0100, Thom May écrivait:
> > I'm sure some will squirm, but I think my.debian.org would work quite
> > nicely :-)
> > 
> uh. E
> (developer.debian.org, maybe)

The new official name is http://qa.debian.org/developer/

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Re: How to get rid of non-free packers?

[GOTO Masanori]

At Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:06:58 +0900 (JST),
Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote:
> On August 27, 2002 at 2:28AM -0700,
> Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  LHa   0.01-1.00:   Masaru Oki (LHa original author, 1991-1992)
> >  Suse.com list e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> He is one of the NetBSD developers.  His e-mail address is
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Osamu, Tatsuya,
Thanks, it's good summary.
Copyright file is complemented with your suggestions!

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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Oohara Yuuma]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:59:28 -0600 (MDT),
"J. Scott Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> little endian hex dump
Can this tackle the length of int?

> find a file within a file
Can you elaborate?  Is it something like tar -x or munpack?

> duplicate file remover
interesting

> file renamer (that can change case).
rename (in perl) or mmv

> file slicer (that can slice up a file into different size chunks).
split(1)

> display id3 tags in mp3 files
> remove id3 tags in mp3 files
mp3info (I think there are other tools)

> generate id3 tags from file name (probably not generally useful).
It may save some perl one-liner.

> convert wave <--> raw audio files
> examine wave/raw audio files and print stats
> change amplitude of wave/raw audio files
> adjust lead in/lead out of wave/raw audio files
sox

I don't like the people who always say "why do you bloat Debian
with yet another foo" every time they see an ITP, but you should
write the description carefully so that the user can see
the difference.  Study what is already packaged.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:31:51PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
> Because packages are not required to have an "Uploaders" field. I'm
> afraid I don't quite understand your algorithm. For which package will
> there ever be a red markup?

I'm sorry I confused the NMU and the uploader field. There was a bug,
fixed for now.

http://qa.debian.org/developer/

Thanks a lot.
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Joey Hess]

Michael Piefel wrote:
> Am 27.08.02 um 13:38:36 schrieb Joey Hess:
> > - It seems to think that analog 2:5.23-0woody1 is a NMU.
> 
> I don't quite understand these colours right now. What does
> "Packages in blue" refer to? The link colour? And I don't see many
> "Packages version in red" either, even when I'm sure it's an NMU.

It's talking about the color of the package version number.

Oh and it also thinks that debconf, debhelper, and presumably any debian
native package is a NMU. Whoops.

> > - On a 1280 pixel wide display, I can only see half of a line of the
> >   table at a time.
> 
> I don't have any problems. 1600 pixels is enough in my font :-)

Tiny little laptop screen, I will not let galeon drop below 14 point
fonts.

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Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Julien Danjou]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: mp32ogg
  Version : 0.11
  Upstream Author : Nathan Walp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml
* License : Artistic License
  Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis


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bugs.debian.org: ChangeLog closes handling should be changed

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Package: bugs.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Hi there!

 With the addition of the testing distribution we have new problems:
Bugs are closed in unstable but flow more or less slowly (due to
dependency problems) into testing, but are due to the uploads into
unstable long closed.

 What we need is a change here: Bugs should just be closed in unstable.
How to do this?  They should be rather be tagged  than be closed
by an upload to unstable.  Not unconditionally, of course.  The version
of the bugreport should be compared with the version currently in
testing.  Some sort of algorithm not too complex but able to handle most
of the cases shouldn't be too hard to do (yes, I volunteer to help
there).

 Secondly, the testing scripts should be tweaked, too.  They should
check the differences between the current changelog.Debian and the one
of the version that is going to flow in from unstable and close the
bugreports tagged .  Why only those?  To avoid messages tagged
sid that where retagged sid because of problebugreports tagged .
Why only those?  To avoid messages that were retagged sid because of
problems that are still in effect in unstable.

 Of course these sugguestions are not foolproof -- but the current
situation is neither.  I sugguest these changes to make the BTS a better
place to track bugs.  Current situation is far from optimal.  We
currently state that there isn't a bug anymore just by closing it with
an upload to unstable.  The fact is that is still is active in testing
and the BTS should live up to that fact.

 I hope that these sugguestion will hit some open ears.  I'm not really
sure if this is the best sugguestion, but it's the one idea I currently
came up with.  Feel free to comment on it, I guess discussion on
debian-devel (*without* the copy to the BTS directly) would be a good
idea, I am thinking of scanning the responses and mail summaries into
the BTS to keep the bugreport current.  If you like, Cc: me offlist if
really needed, I am not subcribed to debian-devel, but I'll watch the
discussion through both the webarchives and news:linux.debian.devel (and
answer from there -- need to finish my setup wrt/ that anyway ,).

 Thanks, and I hope some of the inner circle like the idea.
Alfie
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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Jesus Climent]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:43:22PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote:
> * Package name: mp32ogg
> * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml
>   Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

I would hold the creation/upload of this package.

After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a
decoder to transform the mp3 streams to ogg.

Since the Thompson/Fraunhoffer guys have just modified the licensing
terms, it is possible that Debian will remove, as RedHat has already
done, the mp3 decoders from the distribution.

Check the thread from 

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200208/msg00376.html

or the debian-legal list itself.

J

References are avilable from the thread.

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Bug#158633: ITP: search-ccsb -- BibTeX search tool

[Otavio Salvador]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: search-ccsb
  Version : 0.3
  Upstream Author : Rodrigo Araujo Real <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~rreal/
* License : GPL
  Description : BibTeX search tool
 Search-ccsb is a Perl script that connects to "The Collection of
 Computer Science Bibliographies"[1], and performs a keyword search
 query. The result is a set of BibTeX entries that matches the query.
 .
 1. http://liinwww.ira.uka.de/bibliography/index.html

And, this will provide too:

Package: search-ccsb-el
Description: An emacs interface to search-ccsb
 This package provides search-ccsb.el which permits to perform BibTeX
 searches through search-ccsb in "The Collection of Computer Science
 Bibliographies"


Package for testing in:

deb http://www.freedom.ind.br/otavio debian woody


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Igor Genibel]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 11:52:49AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > I don't quite understand these colours right now. What does
> > "Packages in blue" refer to? The link colour? And I don't see many
> > "Packages version in red" either, even when I'm sure it's an NMU.
> 
> It's talking about the color of the package version number.
> 
> Oh and it also thinks that debconf, debhelper, and presumably any debian
> native package is a NMU. Whoops.

;) It is now fixed but cannot yet inform that native packages are  NMUed
or not. I had to parse all the  .changes  (to  compare  the  Changed-By:
field with the Maintainer field) files in order  to  really  know  if  a
package was NMUed or not.

> > I don't have any problems. 1600 pixels is enough in my font :-)
> 
> Tiny little laptop screen, I will not let galeon drop below 14 point
> fonts.

I have reorganised all the columns in to display from the  left  to  the
right the most important information. On my laptop  1024  all  important
informations for most pages fits without scrolling.

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Re: bugs.debian.org: ChangeLog closes handling should be changed

[Adam Heath]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

> [snip uselss crap]

Duh, no shit.  Tell us what we don't know.

Why don't you get off your soap box, off your ass, and actually make what you
suggest work?

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Craig Dickson]

Julien Danjou wrote:

> Package: wnpp
> Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name: mp32ogg
>   Version : 0.11
>   Upstream Author : Nathan Walp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml
> * License : Artistic License
>   Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

Aside from the possible legal difficulties involved in adding to Debian
yet another program that needs or incorporates an mp3 decoder, I object
to this program on the grounds of stupidity. Transcoding from mp3 to
vorbis cannot improve sound quality, and will almost certainly degrade
it, since the resulting vorbis file will retain all the mp3 artifacts
and add vorbis artifacts as well (which are admittedly much more subtle
than mp3 artifacts, but still quite real). It is much better to
re-encode from the original source material if at all possible; if you
can't do that, and can't leave it in mp3 format for whatever reason,
then transcoding to vorbis is as easy as converting the mp3's to .wav
format and then running them through oggenc. This is so trivial that
there's no need for a dedicated program in the Debian repository to do
it.

Whenever the subject of mp3->vorbis (or wma->vorbis, or any other lossy
codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the
reaction from the vorbis developers and the more knowledgeable vorbis
users is "don't do it". Aside from the effect on quality, the vorbis
developers are also concerned with the effect on vorbis's reputation of
the P2P sharing networks becoming flooded with crappy-sounding
mp3->vorbis transcoded files.

Craig


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Kevin Rosenberg]

I see an issue with the link to bugs,non-fixed. The web page
adds the url tag "raw=yes".  I'm not certain of the function of that
url tag. But, with it in, the bugs page shows all of the active bugs
instead of excluding bugs that marked fixed or done.

Is this a bug in the bugs.d.o/cgi-bin/packagereport.cgi or should the
raw=yes url tag not be included in the link?
 
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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Russell Coker]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:17, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Whenever the subject of mp3->vorbis (or wma->vorbis, or any other lossy
> codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the
> reaction from the vorbis developers and the more knowledgeable vorbis
> users is "don't do it". Aside from the effect on quality, the vorbis
> developers are also concerned with the effect on vorbis's reputation of
> the P2P sharing networks becoming flooded with crappy-sounding
> mp3->vorbis transcoded files.

I support excluding mp32ogg from Debian for this reason.  We want to respect 
the wishes of the upstream developers, and we want to help promote free 
software in every way possible.

Including software that is likely to tarnish the image of a good free 
software project in favour of a non-free project is not something that we 
want.

Besides I expect that anyone could write a simple shell script to do the same 
thing.

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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Julien Danjou]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent a écrit:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:43:22PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote:
> > * Package name: mp32ogg
> > * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml
> >   Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis
> 
> I would hold the creation/upload of this package.
> 
> After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a
> decoder to transform the mp3 streams to ogg.
> 
> Since the Thompson/Fraunhoffer guys have just modified the licensing
> terms, it is possible that Debian will remove, as RedHat has already
> done, the mp3 decoders from the distribution.

I agree, but we can imagine package that fetch (wget) source of
decoder like mpg321 and build it ?

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Michael Piefel]

Am 28.08.02 um 17:20:44 schrieb Igor Genibel:
> I'm sorry I confused the NMU and the uploader field. There was a bug,
> fixed for now.

Ah, great! I really don't have anything to complain about now.[1]

Bye,
Mike

[1] Where I come from, "I can't complain" is equivalent to
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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Jesus Climent]

On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:16:07AM +1000, Reagan Blundell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
> > After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a
> > decoder to transform the mp3 streams to ogg.
> > 
> > Since the Thompson/Fraunhoffer guys have just modified the licensing
> > terms, it is possible that Debian will remove, as RedHat has already
> > done, the mp3 decoders from the distribution.
> > 
> 
> Given the timing of the ITP, I assumed that was the motivation
> for it - so that users can convert their mp3's to Ogg files
> before all the decoders disapear.

I did not mention the quality degradation (as mention in other mails of
this thread) because i thought it was obvious.

Long ago I decided to test reiterating the encoding-decoding of certain
file, and even with the same compression method, mp3, the quality
degradation was so impresive that I decided to reencode all my CDs when
I started using Ogg/Vorbis beta4, spending long time with the process,
instead of recoding the mp3s.

J

PS: why the personal reply? my opinions are public.

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Re: menu entry for kdm?

[Andreas Metzler]

Michael Renner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just started to make some _clean_ packages for my users, but I plan to 
> public them later to the community.
> I have a problem with the 'menu' system.
[...]
> Now I can switch eg. from fvwm to 5dwm, but I habe no entry in the kdm list 
> to 
> choose from the start.
> What's to do therefor?

Afaik it should be enough to call update-menus in postinst and
register 5dwm as alternative for x-window-manager.

Kdm ships it own menu-method /etc/menu-methods/kdm which calls
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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Julien Danjou]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:17:52AM -0700, Craig Dickson a écrit:
> Julien Danjou wrote:
> 
> > Package: wnpp
> > Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > * Package name: mp32ogg
> >   Version : 0.11
> >   Upstream Author : Nathan Walp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml
> > * License : Artistic License
> >   Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis
> 
> Aside from the possible legal difficulties involved in adding to Debian
> yet another program that needs or incorporates an mp3 decoder, I object
> to this program on the grounds of stupidity. Transcoding from mp3 to
> vorbis cannot improve sound quality,

Nobody says that.

> and will almost certainly degrade
> it, since the resulting vorbis file will retain all the mp3 artifacts
> and add vorbis artifacts as well (which are admittedly much more subtle
> than mp3 artifacts, but still quite real). It is much better to
> re-encode from the original source material if at all possible; if you
> can't do that, and can't leave it in mp3 format for whatever reason,
> then transcoding to vorbis is as easy as converting the mp3's to .wav
> format and then running them through oggenc. This is so trivial that
> there's no need for a dedicated program in the Debian repository to do
> it.

Maybe, but why not ?
I think such scripts are looked by users.

> Whenever the subject of mp3->vorbis (or wma->vorbis, or any other lossy
> codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the
> reaction from the vorbis developers and the more knowledgeable vorbis
> users is "don't do it". Aside from the effect on quality, the vorbis
> developers are also concerned with the effect on vorbis's reputation of
> the P2P sharing networks becoming flooded with crappy-sounding
> mp3->vorbis transcoded files.

Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3
decoder dispear from Debian.
mp32ogg is the way to help us.

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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Reagan Blundell]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:46:21PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:16:07AM +1000, Reagan Blundell wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
> > > After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a
> > > decoder to transform the mp3 streams to ogg.
> > > 
> > > Since the Thompson/Fraunhoffer guys have just modified the licensing
> > > terms, it is possible that Debian will remove, as RedHat has already
> > > done, the mp3 decoders from the distribution.
> > > 
> > 
> > Given the timing of the ITP, I assumed that was the motivation
> > for it - so that users can convert their mp3's to Ogg files
> > before all the decoders disapear.
> 
> I did not mention the quality degradation (as mention in other mails of
> this thread) because i thought it was obvious.

I did not mention it for the same reason.

> Long ago I decided to test reiterating the encoding-decoding of certain
> file, and even with the same compression method, mp3, the quality
> degradation was so impresive that I decided to reencode all my CDs when
> I started using Ogg/Vorbis beta4, spending long time with the process,
> instead of recoding the mp3s.

However, if I decided to stop using MP3 decoders today, I'm left with
800+ CDs of music that I must re-encode.  Given the amount of time I
have available to swapping discs in and out, that is a process that is
going to take me a few months to get around to completing.  In the
meantime I have the option of degraded quality files that are usable 
by free software, and to be honest, I wouldn't notice the degradation 
with the cheapo speakers that are attached to my soundcard anyway.

True, I could write a script to do it all anyway, but not everyone is
a wizard with scripting.

Isn't Debian about giving the users a choice?

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Craig Dickson]

Reagan Blundell wrote:

> However, if I decided to stop using MP3 decoders today,

Why do you have to stop? You already have one. Keep using it until you
don't need it anymore. In the meantime, gradually re-rip/encode your CDs
one by one.

Craig


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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Ben Burton]

> Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3
> decoder dispear from Debian.
> mp32ogg is the way to help us.

But I still don't understand how we can have mp32ogg if mp3 decoders
disappear from debian, since presumably one must decode the mp3 in order
to convert it to ogg?

Ben.

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Russell Coker]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:59, Julien Danjou wrote:
> Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3
> decoder dispear from Debian.

No they won't, they can keep their favourite mp3 player installed even though 
dselect will list it as "obsolete", and it will keep working.  We may include 
the mp3 encoders in non-free or some similar repository (in many countries 
such patents do not apply and thus you can use such software without payment).

The users can then pay the $0.75 or not at their own choice.

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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Ben Armstrong]

On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:21:42AM +1000, Ben Burton wrote:
> 
> > Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3
> > decoder dispear from Debian.
> > mp32ogg is the way to help us.
> 
> But I still don't understand how we can have mp32ogg if mp3 decoders
> disappear from debian, since presumably one must decode the mp3 in order
> to convert it to ogg?

When that happens, mp32ogg simply becomes "contrib", that's all.  (Who's to
say someone won't want to use it with a licensed mp3 decoder obtained from
elsewhere?)

I'm staying neutral on the quality issue.  Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs
sucks. Yes users should have a choice.  I don't know which is more important
in this case.

Ben

(Personally, I'll be re-ripping my remaining small collection of mp3s from
my CDs in ogg format and simply delete any mp3s leftover after that.)
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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Julien Danjou]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:49PM +0200, Russell Coker a écrit:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:59, Julien Danjou wrote:
> > Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3
> > decoder dispear from Debian.
> 
> No they won't, they can keep their favourite mp3 player installed even though 
> dselect will list it as "obsolete", and it will keep working.  We may include 
> the mp3 encoders in non-free or some similar repository (in many countries 
> such patents do not apply and thus you can use such software without payment).

Yes or maybe it is possible to do a package which will download source
and build a Debian package, like nvidial-glx-source.
I don't know if this solution is possible/legal.

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Why a package is removed or kept back?

[Carl B. Constantine]

I've been told that there is a way to determine why apt-get is removing
a package or is keeping a package back but I don't know what it is. When
you use apt-get to install or upgrade, it lists the packages that are
going to be installed,removed, and kept back. However, it doesn't state
why a package is removed or kept back. For example, consider the
following;

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:duckwing)# apt-get install libgnome-dev
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  gdk-imlib-dev libpng2-dev 
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libpng-dev libqt3-dev libqt3-mt-dev 
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gdk-imlib-dev libgnome-dev libpng2-dev 
0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
Need to get 835kB of archives. After unpacking 27.1MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

Why is it removing the qt3 dev packages? I checked gdk-imlib-dev,
libpng2-dev and libgnome-dev for conflicts with the qt3 dev libraries,
but I don't see any mentioned. So why are they being removed on this
install? it doesn't make sense to me.

So how do I check the "why" for a package being removed or kept-back?

Thanks.

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Re: Why a package is removed or kept back?

[Erich Schubert]

> Why is it removing the qt3 dev packages? I checked gdk-imlib-dev,
> libpng2-dev and libgnome-dev for conflicts with the qt3 dev libraries,
> but I don't see any mentioned. So why are they being removed on this
> install? it doesn't make sense to me.

Without having looked at the dependencies:
Maybe gnome depends on libpng2-dev, which conflicts with libpng-dev,
which is required for libqt3-dev ?
Check the dependencies of libqt3-dev, too!

Greetings,
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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Andreas Rottmann]

Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > convert wave <--> raw audio files
> > examine wave/raw audio files and print stats
> > change amplitude of wave/raw audio files
> > adjust lead in/lead out of wave/raw audio files
> Could be packaged together too.
> 
Have a look at sox - do your programs have any extra features?

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Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Paul Dwerryhouse]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:29:22PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> I'm staying neutral on the quality issue.  Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs
> sucks. Yes users should have a choice.  I don't know which is more important
> in this case.

Put it in and whack a f*cking huge warning message everytime the program
is run ... something like "YMMV", but a little more educational.

For what it's worth, I've converted a good number of 128kB/s mp3s to ogg
today for personal testing purposes (my original CDs, from which they were
ripped, are in another country) and they sound fine to me. I suspect
a good number of other people would be happy enough with such a
situation, so why not make it easy for them?

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Re: Dumb little utilities

[Mark Ferlatte]

begin  Oohara Yuuma quote on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 11:57:31PM +0900:
> > generate id3 tags from file name (probably not generally useful).
> It may save some perl one-liner.

id3ren does this.

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Re: perl 5.6 dependent packages

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Brendan" == Brendan O'Dea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Brendan> Note that in addition, since perl 5.8.0 includes some
 Brendan> modules which were previously stand-alone, any package
 Brendan> declaring a versioned[0] dependency on:

 Brendan>   libcgi-perl,

 Brendan> needs to either have the version for that dependency
 Brendan> removed, or just to depend on perl (>= 5.8.0).

This happens not to be the case. Perl does not come with the
 modules included in libcgi-perl (libcgi-pm-perl may be another
 matter)

Filed an critical bug against perl-modules ;-)

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RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

[Manoj Srivastava]

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Hi,
[Please follow up to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In December 2000, Raul Miller proposed a GR to fix the voting
 process as defined in the constitution. The GR was withdrawn until a
 committee assigned to study the problem returned with a
 recommendation.  We have a clear recommendation for the voting method
 (Clone proof SSD); and a less clear one with how to deal with super
 majority issues. 

I posted this on debian-vote last week, and there has been a
 clarifying note by aj, which is included below, and mostly positive
 responses, so I am taking this to the next phase. Raul, if you want
 to re-propose your GR, please feel free to do so.

We now need to create the formal language that would replace
 the current wording of the constitution, as the net step.

==
First, the full Monte:

 The emails that started this:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-22/msg00014.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-22/msg00015.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-22/msg00016.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-22/msg00017.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-22/msg00025.html

http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00055.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00077.html

http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00054.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00095.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00117.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-26/msg00118.html

And search for Condorcet in debian-vote archives for Oct-Dec
 2000 fofor the GR.

The joint Debian-em committee was set up in these emails:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-200012/msg00091.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-200012/msg00092.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-200012/msg00093.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-200012/msg00094.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2000/debian-vote-200012/msg00115.html

The recommendations of the committee, and discussions thereof,
 are here:
 http://people.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/voting-recommendation.txt

==


To recap the discussions held nearly a year and a half ago
 (examining the debian-vote and debian-devel archives may prove
 illuminating). 

==
From: MIKE OSSIPOFF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 If the Debian rules are strictly followed, then, by rule 3,
 all options that are dominated [pairwise beaten] by at least one
 other option are discarded, and references to them in the ballot
 papers will be ignored.

 That means that unless there's an "undominated" alternative
 ("option"), every alternative will be discarded and deleted
 from the ballots.

 Rule 4 provides for electing the alternative that dominates
 all others, if there is one, and rule 5 says what to do if there
 is more than 1 option remaining--but there will never be more
 than zero options remaining unless there'd been a BeatsAll winner,
 a candidate who "dominates" every other candidate.

 With pairwise voting, it makes all the difference how circular
 ties are dealt with. When Instant Runoff (they call it 1-winner
 STV) is used to solve circular ties, that means that the group
 of voters who are in a position to make a circular tie, by
 order-reversal, or by truncation, sincere or strategic,
 are also the group that has an automatic win if they do make
 a circular tie and the middle candidate gets eliminated.


Example:

40: A (the A voters truncate)
25: B (2nd choices of B voters aren't listed, since they're likely
   to be divided both ways, and we don't know which side would
   get more from them)
35: CB

***

The A truncation makes a circular tie, though B is the Condorcet
winner. In the resulting IRV count, B gets eliminated, and A
wins.

With the currently-specified rule for solving circular ties in Debian
elections, it's no coincidence that the A voters are in a position to
make a circular tie, by truncation, and are also the winners when that
tie is solved by the Alternative Vote, after B is eliminated.

The reason why the A voters are in a position to make a circular
tie is because A beats C pairwise. Otherwise, the truncation
would merely give the election to C. And the reason why A wins
after B is eliminated is also because A beats B pairwise.

So then, the people who are in a position to make a circular tie
are set up to win it too, when the circular tie is solved by
the Alternative Vote, as the rules currently specify.

The A voters can gain by truncation (as t

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Richard Braakman]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:49PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> The users can then pay the $0.75 or not at their own choice.

$0.75?

>From http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html

   Minimum Royalties
   Annual minimum royalties are payable upon signature and each following
   year in January and are fully creditable against annual royalties.
 US$ 15 000.00 per calendar year

Presumably this is intended to apply to distributors, not individual users :)
They don't actually say that, though.

Richard Braakman

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Julien Danjou]

Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:18:41PM +0200, Paul Dwerryhouse a écrit:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:29:22PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> > I'm staying neutral on the quality issue.  Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs
> > sucks. Yes users should have a choice.  I don't know which is more important
> > in this case.
> 
> Put it in and whack a f*cking huge warning message everytime the program
> is run ... something like "YMMV", but a little more educational.

I will put a note in README.Debian.

> For what it's worth, I've converted a good number of 128kB/s mp3s to ogg
> today for personal testing purposes (my original CDs, from which they were
> ripped, are in another country) and they sound fine to me. I suspect
> a good number of other people would be happy enough with such a
> situation, so why not make it easy for them?

I agree with you. I have converted most of my MP3 in ogg, and the sound
is not so bad for me.

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errno=4294936306, Debian 2.2, vacation 3.2.3, Postfix 1.1.3, Sasl 1.5.27

[Jim Weller]

Greetings All,
(Note I'm not yet subscribed to debian-devel or debian-users. Debian 
majordomo is SLOW. Postfix's majordomo took 5 minutes total. Debian's is 
at about an hour now. I'm jumping the gun on those lists and notifying 
folks like the debian list rules say to.)

I'm on debian 2.2 potato having done the latest apt-get update and 
upgrade. I'm using a hand compiled postfix-1.1.3 with smtp-auth using 
cyrus-sasl-1.5.27. Works like a champ! I really love debian  and postfix.

When I upgraded debian it gave me the new libdb3 package (from libdb2 I 
believe). This gave SEGV errors to sasl and consequently postfix. I 
recompiled both from the ORIGINAL source tree I used so many months ago 
and am back on track with my mail server authing smtp. But the real 
KILLER here is that vacation-3.2.3 doesn't work now! It did work before 
the apt-get upgrade. I don't know which version of vacation I *was* 
using, but this one is kapoot. The only things that I can see having 
changed related to this setup are 1) libdb3 2) vacation

Here's my story. I have a user named jim that can send and recieve mail 
via smtp(postfix)/pop(pop3d) from any old mail client. It works fine. 
But the vacation component is failing.   I set up a forward as follows.

pertinent $HOME files
-
-rw---1 jim  jim49 Aug 28 11:50 .forward
-rw---1 jim  jim  4096 Aug 28 11:50 .vacation.db
-rw---1 jim  jim   135 Aug 28 11:50 .vacation.msg
-
.vacation.msg
-
Subject: On vacation message.
I'm on vacation and will not be reading my mail for a while.
Your mail will be dealt with when I return.
-
.forward
-
\jim, "|/usr/bin/vacation  jim"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Using this setup I get the message in the jim mailbox. I get the message 
in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox. So the original delivery and the forward 
to new address are working fine. But I get the following error bounced 
back to the sender.

-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Wed Aug 28, 2002  11:57:31  AM America/Anchorage
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
This is the Postfix program at host mail.mycompany.com.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
For further assistance, please send mail to 
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.
The Postfix program
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 1: "/usr/bin/vacation
jim". Command output: vacation: .vacation.db: Unknown error 
4294936306
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.mycompany.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:57:30 -0800 (AKDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: 
"/usr/bin/vacation
jim". Command output: vacation: .vacation.db: Unknown error 
4294936306

From: Jim Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed Aug 28, 2002  11:57:29  AM America/Anchorage
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 35
-
Now I'm no dummy here (and I'm humble ;). I know that error 4294936306 
is probably some horrid negative number casted to unsigned. It's most 
likely some runtime library error. And I'll  bet it's not in signal.h ;) 
So, I being the genius that I am apt-get removed the offending vacation. 
Then I compiled it myself. I've tried both

vacation-1.2.6.1 from http://vacation.sourceforge.net/
vacation-3.2.3 from http://www.linux.it/~md/software/
Now, vacation-3.2.3 gives the same error as the debian binary because it 
is the same program.

vacation-1.2.6.1 gives me a different but similar bounced message show 
below
-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Wed Aug 28, 2002  12:37:06  PM America/Anchorage
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
This is the Postfix program at host mail.mycompany.com.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
For further assistance, please send mail to 
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.
The Postfix program
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 1: "/usr/bin/vacation
   

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Nathan Walp]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:26:24PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:17, Craig Dickson wrote:
> > Whenever the subject of mp3->vorbis (or wma->vorbis, or any other lossy
> > codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the
> > reaction from the vorbis developers and the more knowledgeable vorbis
> > users is "don't do it". Aside from the effect on quality, the vorbis
> > developers are also concerned with the effect on vorbis's reputation of
> > the P2P sharing networks becoming flooded with crappy-sounding
> > mp3->vorbis transcoded files.
> 
> I support excluding mp32ogg from Debian for this reason.  We want to respect 
> the wishes of the upstream developers, and we want to help promote free 
> software in every way possible.
> 
> Including software that is likely to tarnish the image of a good free 
> software project in favour of a non-free project is not something that we 
> want.
> 
> Besides I expect that anyone could write a simple shell script to do the same 
> thing.

mp32ogg has gotten a lot of attention the last couple days.  Several
releases ago, the vorbis guys asked me to have it add a tag to the ogg
files created, to mark them as having been transcoded from an mp3 file.
It looks something like:

transcoded=mp3;128

and while it isn't great, it's better than nothing.   I totally agree
that mp32ogg hurts audio quality, and part of me wishes I never wrote
it.  The other part of me realizes that people are going to convert with
or without the script, and adding that tag automatically will at least
do some good.

Package it or not, I really don't care.  Mandrake is the only other
distro that I know has it packaged, and I don't know if they'll be
keeping it or not.  


Nathan Walp
mp32ogg upstream author,
who has been re-ripping his CDs since vorbis hit 1.0 ;-)

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ITA: netspades

[Roger Ward]

retitle 145496 ITA: netspades -- server/client spades system
tags 145496 +pending
tags 146175 +pending
thanks


I have been working with Michael Ivey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on some xscorch 
related bug-fixing - and I intend to start working with this package with his 
support (NMU/sponsor).

Initial changes won't simply be the open description bug, but will contain any 
improvements necessary to fix any bugs encountered.

-Roger
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Bug#158681: ITP: adonthell-wastesedge -- Game data for Adonthell

[Gordon Fraser]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-29
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: adonthell-wastesedge
  Version : 0.3.1
  Upstream Author : Kai Sterker & Adonthell team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://adonthell.linuxgames.com/
* License : GPL2
  Description : Game data for Adonthell

This is the game data for the current version of Adonthell, nice
story, good graphics and great sound.

-- 

Bug#158679: ITP: adonthell -- A 2D graphical roleplaying game

[Gordon Fraser]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-29
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: adonthell
  Version : 0.3.2
  Upstream Author : Kai Sterker & Adonthell team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://adonthell.linuxgames.com/
* License : GPL2
  Description : A 2D graphical roleplaying game

Adonthell is a SDL-based excellent looking 2D graphical roleplay game,
using a Python-based scripting engine and Ogg-Vorbis for sounds.
This package contains only the Adonthell engine, adonthell-wastesedge
will contain the game data for the current game story.

-- 

Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

[Robert Millan]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-29
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: oggasm
  Upstream: Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://oggasm.sourceforge.net/
* License : GPL
  Description : MP3 to Ogg converter

I'm not the ITPer, Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> packaged
orgasm but haven't moved to include it in debian. I'm contacting him.

Also since this depends on mpg321 it'd have to be in non-US.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux aragorn 2.2.21 #1 Thu Aug 8 13:53:32 CEST 2002 i586
Locale: LANG=ca_ES.ISO-8859-1, LC_CTYPE=ca_ES.ISO-8859-1

-- no debconf information

Bug#158684: ITP: package_db_view -- generate an HTML view of the dpkg database

[Florian M. Weps]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-29
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: pdbv
  Version : 1.2.0
  Upstream Author : Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/pdbv/
* License : GPL
  Description : generate an HTML view of the dpkg database

Pdbv, or Package DB View, generates an HTML view of the dpkg or RPM
database found on the machine it is run on.  When viewed in a browser,
the output of pdbv displays a two-frame window with a list of packages
at the left, and a pane at the right containing information about the
selected package.

The package has been localized for several languages.

-- System Information
Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux cicciolina 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=de_CH

fpm - password manager

[Brian May]

Hello,

I am trying to decide what to do with one of my packages, fpm.

Put simply, the situation is as follows:

* I have added a number of (some of them rather big; eg importing from
gpasman) changes to do stuff that should really be done in upstream
code.

* I have heard rumours that upstream have made some of these changes,
but different and incompatable way to the way I have made the changes.

* There is an important bug against fpm, where it can currupt user
data, if the user does certain operations in a particular order.
Bug #158016.

* I have tried forwarding this bug upstream, but so far got no
response.

* Just to make matters more complicated, it seems I somehow misread the
initial bug report. Don't read my theory as to what the problem is, use
the text of the bug submitter instead!

* There has not been a new upstream version since July 2000. This
version is labeled "beta version".

* There has not been any activity on the mailing lists in ages
(well... none since I first subscribed at least).

* There are also two other bugs: no man page, and gpasman is only
imported when running fpm on the second time (which is specific to
the way I have implemented importing from gpasman, which is probably
different in upstream's code).


So does anybody have better contacts with the upstream authors
then I do?

Or does anyone have good ideas on how to deal with any of these bugs?

If so, does this person have any sudden urge to take over maintaining
fpm?

(If not, I will continue maintaining it; I feel though that somebody
else might be able to do a better job at it then me).
-- 
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

[Jeremy Nickurak]

In particular, it's important to note that transcoded MP3's, even
_legally_ transcoded MP3's, should never ever ever be distributed, lest
people associate the degradation in quality (even if it's something most
people can't hear) with a problem in vorbis.

On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 13:32, Julien Danjou wrote:
> Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:18:41PM +0200, Paul Dwerryhouse a écrit:
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:29:22PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> > > I'm staying neutral on the quality issue.  Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs
> > > sucks. Yes users should have a choice.  I don't know which is more 
> > > important
> > > in this case.
> > 
> > Put it in and whack a f*cking huge warning message everytime the program
> > is run ... something like "YMMV", but a little more educational.
> 
> I will put a note in README.Debian.
> 
> > For what it's worth, I've converted a good number of 128kB/s mp3s to ogg
> > today for personal testing purposes (my original CDs, from which they were
> > ripped, are in another country) and they sound fine to me. I suspect
> > a good number of other people would be happy enough with such a
> > situation, so why not make it easy for them?
> 
> I agree with you. I have converted most of my MP3 in ogg, and the sound
> is not so bad for me.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

[Martin Michlmayr]

* Igor Genibel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-28 17:20]:
> http://qa.debian.org/developer/

If you want to have it hosted there, you should really
a) put the files in CVS (module qa), and follow the current standards
   for web pages (i.e. have wml files in qa/wml which are build
   and then copied to web/)
b) give group write permission to the files and chgrp them to qa
c) have a link from the main qa site to them

Thanks for writing those pages.
-- 
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Re: errno=4294936306, Debian 2.2, vacation 3.2.3, Postfix 1.1.3, Sasl 1.5.27

[Jim Weller]

Sean,
Thank you for taking the time to look at my problem.
Can you add/change to \jim, "/pathto/strace -o /tmp/vacation.err
/usr/bin/vacation jim"
That is a GREAT idea. I changed it to the below and ran 'vacation -I'
-
\jim, "|/usr/bin/strace -o /tmp/vacation.err /usr/bin/vacation  jim"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
And the vacation auto-reply worked. Twice (from diff addresses b/c the 
interval timer). I didn't paste the successful strace as you probably 
know what one looks like. I'm completely befuddled and a little 
embarassed. Admittedly it worked a couple of times before, but it was 
very sporadic. I'm pretty stumped now.


vacation-1.2.6.1 from http://vacation.sourceforge.net/
Vacation is moved to http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/vacation/
Thank you. Duly book marked.
What vacation is that, it seems very small, my binary on Linux is
45521b

That was 1.2.6.1 after install stripped it. Here is yours with shared 
libraries, unstripped, using the below gcc.   BTW install tries to strip 
the perl script vaclook. Wait a minute! It's running strip without the 
-g so it's stripping more than . I think I just hand copied it this time 
and that's why it worked. Let me test this.No that wasn't it. Now it 
just works all the time. Woohoo!

gcc  -m486 -Wall  -Xlinker -warn-common 
-D_PATH_VACATION=\"/usr/bin/vacation\" -o vacation vacation.c -lgdbm

Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.2/specs
gcc version 2.95.2 2220 (Debian GNU/Linux)
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root18718 Aug 28 14:16 vacation
I kind of feel like schizophrenic screaming in a strait jacket, "I'm not 
crazy! I'm not crazy!", but I'm VERY happy that my little rubber room is 
working now. I'll stick with 1.2.6.1.

Thank you again Sean both for the software and the time,
Jim Weller

Re: errno=4294936306, Debian 2.2, vacation 3.2.3, Postfix 1.1.3, Sasl 1.5.27

[Marco d'Itri]

[Removed postfix-users.]

 >>What vacation is that, it seems very small, my binary on Linux is
 >>45521b
This is not Sean Rima's package but a port of the netbsd source with a
few features added.

(I have no idea about what is wrong with libdb and not time to
investigate it right now, sorry.)

-- 
ciao,
Marco

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

[Craig Dickson]

Robert Millan wrote:

> * Package name: oggasm
>   Upstream: Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://oggasm.sourceforge.net/
> * License : GPL
>   Description : MP3 to Ogg converter
> 
> I'm not the ITPer, Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> packaged
> orgasm but haven't moved to include it in debian. I'm contacting him.

Funny you should bring this up today; we've just been debating an ITP
of another mp3->vorbis converter, with several of us arguing that
such programs are

1) a bad idea because converting mp3 to vorbis creates bad-quality
   vorbis files full of mp3 artifacts;

and

2) unnecessary, because the conversion is trivial.

When this question comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the vorbis
developers and the more knowledgeable users all say "don't transcode
from other lossy codecs to vorbis".

Furthermore, with the recent announcement of patent royalties from
Frauenhofer, it seems that Debian may need to remove all packages that
are covered by the mp3 patents, at which point an mp3-to-vorbis
converter would either be removed, or would be dependent on software
that is no longer part of Debian.

So my comment on this ITP is the same as for mp32ogg: let's not have
it in Debian.

Craig



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Re: Patent problems still exist [Was: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis]

[Joe Wreschnig]

Regardless of the quality issues, the audio->mp3->ogg encoding process
that this does still includes the mp3 process, which is patented. This
means, since Ogg is deterministic, as is MP3, it's probably very easy
for someone (say, Thomson) to prove a given Ogg was once an MP3. Once
they can prove that, they can still demand royalties for distribution
(and the distribution royalties are worse than the decoder ones).

So, basically, this script makes your files sound worse, and just as
costly as before. Reencoding things from scratch is the only way to
avoid the patent problems.

(Those of you who have too much MP3 music - too bad. You clung to a
closed standard, and Ogg's been out for a long time.)
-- 
 - Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  -  http://www.sacredchao.net
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   okay to be different, to not conform to society."
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Re: errno=4294936306, Debian 2.2, vacation 3.2.3, Postfix 1.1.3, Sasl 1.5.27

[Jim Weller]

All,
And the virtual beer goes to Ralf Hildebrandt for spotting the 
.vacation.db problem. It turns out that the tool I was using to set my 
.vacation.msg, .vacation.db, and .forward (vacation admin for webmin 
http://webmin.thirdpartymodules.com/?page=System ) was NOT executing 
'vacation -I' after it was done playing with files. A quick system("su 
$user $config{'vacation_path'} -I");  call at the end of the local-
lib.pl::set_vacation_local() subroutine fixed the problem. I'm using 
vacation-1.2.6.1. Thanks to all who took the time to read, think and 
reply. Apologies to anyone who's inbox was burdened by my email.

Back to stressing out about normal things,
Jim Weller
PS Hail open source
PS2 Try it by hand before you trust your web app ;)

Re: Why a package is removed or kept back?

[Carl B. Constantine]

* Erich Schubert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Why is it removing the qt3 dev packages? I checked gdk-imlib-dev,
> > libpng2-dev and libgnome-dev for conflicts with the qt3 dev libraries,
> > but I don't see any mentioned. So why are they being removed on this
> > install? it doesn't make sense to me.
> 
> Without having looked at the dependencies:
> Maybe gnome depends on libpng2-dev, which conflicts with libpng-dev,
> which is required for libqt3-dev ?
> Check the dependencies of libqt3-dev, too!

Thanks.

That turns out to be the case, and I hope gnome2 fixes this by requiring
libpng-dev instead of libpng#-dev. Otherwise it seems you can't develop
for the one when you are developing for the other. Now that just isn't
fair ;-)


However, that doesn't fully answer my queston. Isn't there a tool or a
command I can use to determine why a package was kept back or removed?

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Re: bugs.debian.org: ChangeLog closes handling should be changed

[Colin Walters]

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 02:48, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

>  What we need is a change here: Bugs should just be closed in unstable.

Have fun hacking the debbugs code, and good luck emerging from the
experience a sane man :)