Boot CD: nogo with SCSI disks on Dell PowerEdge 1550?

[Jeff Aqua]

So, after burning myself a nice shiny new boot CD using jigdo... 
my SCSI disks ain't recognised. 

No problemo? I assume that I can load modules from the CD?
Nope - need a floppy to load up the SCSI disk drivers?
I guess that boot CD cannot read modules off the CD itself?

Arghh? Am I better off going back to floppy/network install?

Any help appreciated!

Jeff



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Re: Post-woody

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Adam Di Carlo 

| Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| 
| > I just wanted to give y'all a heads up that I'd like you all to stick
| > around post woody, and keep/start working on CDs and installation stuff
| > for the next release. This doesn't change anything about debian-installer,
| > it'd just be helpful if you don't all wander off for four to six months
| > like usually happens :)
| 
| As you may or may not know, I will no longer have a "position of
| responsibility" in the installation system after Woody.  Joey Hess has
| volunteer for this position, or at least he did about 18 months ago.
| I assume he's still for it -- hopefully the folks on this list agree
| with that.

Joey has offered me the position of technical lead on d-i, since he
has too many other things taking up his time, and I have said yes.
Assuming that nobody has any big objections, that is.

| However, that is not to say I'm going to completely wander off after
| Woody -- rather, I'm expecting to continue work on the boot-floppies
| for 3.0rX point releases.  Bug fixes, internationalization, bad
| cosmetics fixes, and doc fixes only, of course.
| 
| Hopefully this arrangement will let us 
| 
|  (a) continue "maintenance mode" on the legacy boot-floppies system, and
| 
|  (b) simultaneously work out debian-installer (or pgi or whatever you
|  end up using for Woody+1) and get it in shape for *production*
|  use in, say, 6 months.
| 
| I worry whether debian-installer can have the maturity for a Woody+1
| release, supposing we were going for a shorter release cycle of 6
| months.  You have to consider that the testing period is at least 3
| months, apparently, and that would mean that we would have a
| feature-complete debian-installer in 3 months, aka 12 weeks, which I
| don't think is long enough.

I think we should move to debian-installer, even though it will take
longer time to work out.  People want to do some new development, d-i
is getting closer to working (as in actually being able to install
systems in a mostly-reliable way) by the day and I don't think pushing
boot-floppies for yet another iteration would be good at all.  IMO,
that is.

| Anyhow, Anthony, I would suggest that you put your cards on the table
| when you are expecting a feature complete new installation system
| (alpha) and ready as a release candidate for more testing (beta).

aj?

| I also think we need to seriously consider not just
| internationalization goals, but also disabled persons accessability
| (e.g., U.S. Section 508), whether X or fbdev installer is desirable,
| and what port might be included (especially if you're considering
| the hurd).

True, and I believe d-i will have the needed flexibility.

| A little planning now will make for smoother waters in the future...

very, very true.

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upgrading potato to woody with 3.0pre6 CDs

[Marcin Wolinski]

Dear All,

I've tried to upgrade a Potato system to Woody using the 3.0pre6
version of Debian CDs, but it failed miserably.  Here is what I've
done:

I commented out all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, then ran
'apt-cdrom add' for the first four disks in the set.  Then did
apt-get update
and tried to 
apt-get install dpkg apt debconf
The program asked for the Binary-1 CD, then it was '[Working] ##%' for
a while, and after getting to some 50% it displayed:

  E: Internal Error, Could not configure a pre-depend

and stopped.  Running 'apt-get dist-upgrade' gives the same result.
Versions of packages on my system: dpkg 1.6.14, apt 0.3.19, debconf
0.2.80.16.  Linux 2.2.17.

I tried the same procedure on a second potato box with the result:

  E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration


How to cope with this situation?
Is it possible to get more info on what actually went wrong?

Is this a bug in apt/dpkg or in package descriptions on the CDs (or
both) (or am I doing sth wrong?)?

Best regards,
Marcin



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Re: Mini-ISO updated for bf 3.0.23

[Richard Atterer]

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:49:12PM +0100, Steve Haslam wrote:
> So I'm getting reasonably sized ISOs, although I notice the jigdo
> template file doesn't get significantly smaller :| I guess the
> template just contains a few less "loads of zeroes until this .deb
> file here" entries.

No, it contains quite a few files: debian-cd filters out the names of
files which are known to change often on the servers (in Makefile):

| egrep -v 
|'/README|INDEX$$|/Maintainers|/Release$$|/debian-keyring\.tar\.gz$$|/ls-lR|//doc/[^/]+/?[^/]*\.(txt|html)$$'
| \

Above all, debian-keyring.tar.gz is pretty large.
Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: installation from jigdo image

[Richard Atterer]

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:10:32PM -0700, curtis wrote:
> About a month ago I created a CD image for a 2.4.x installation,
[snip]
> I think it was, ?install modules and drivers,? it asked me for
> access to a file. Unfortunately, I don?t remember the name of the
> file or the default location it was trying to locate it in, but my
> question is: why? Do I need to also burn some files and directories
> to the installation CD? And, how could that be possible, if the CD
> is burned as an image? Or, am I completely missing something.

I seem to remember someone saying that those additional questions are
no longer asked by the latest 3.0-pre CD releases, because as you
mention there is no point in their being asked. The files are already
on the CD, and the installation system can just load them
- the question is asked because the system is designed to work
for bootable floppies too, and the question makes sense in that case.

> I then have the option of choosing from a list of directories or
> typing in the appropriate directory. I permit the installation
> program to search for the directory itself. It looks for the
> following: "images-1.44/rescue.bin "
> 
> And then comes back that it can't find "rescue.bin, drivers.tgz"

I recollect having a similar problem long ago when I installed 2.2r0:
I had to specify the directory manually, because the automatic
scanning didn't work. On my old 2.2r0 CD the following is present:

dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/compact/drivers.tgz
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/drivers.tgz
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/idepci/drivers.tgz
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/compact/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/safe/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/udma66/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-2.88/compact/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-2.88/idepci/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-2.88/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-2.88/udma66/rescue.bin
dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/udma66/drivers.tgz

> So, I go to the CD FAQ. And what do I find:

...information about CDs. Your question is outside the scope of that
FAQ! :-)

> "The packages on the CDs are sorted by popularity: CD 1 contains the
> installation system and the most popular packages. CD 2 contains
> slightly less popular ones, CD 3 even less popular ones, etc.[snip]"
> 
> So, I used Jigdo and I got 3 files. Are you saying each is for a
> separate CD?

Yes - and just a single CD is already sufficient for installation.

> I see nothing on the FAQ about what I'm supposed to do with these
> images and how to install.

Well, you write each image to CD-R and boot from CD. Everything after
that should theoretically be described in the installation manual
, which is linked
to from the CD pages.

HTH,

  Richard

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Re: problem using JIGDO-EASY2WIN

[Richard Atterer]

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:15:14AM +0530, Kunal Shah wrote:
> Is there any way we can measure the download. I mean,
> is there anyway we can see how much is downloaded
> out of 670mb cd ?
> I need this information to calculate the time needed to download the cd.

jigdo doesn't give you that information, but it's quite easy to
estimate it.

You can get a very rough idea by looking at the messages "Found X of
the Y parts required by the template". The "Y" gets smaller and
smaller - when it reaches 0, the image is complete.

Alternatively, look at the output of wget, which includes something
like "(20.1 kB/s)" at the end. The whole image is about 650MB, so you
can calculate e.g. 650MB/20.1kB*s = 9.19 hours. You probably need to
increase that 9.19 by 25% or so to account for the time that jigdo
spends recreating the image.

Unfortunately, in both cases it will be difficult to read those
messages because jigdo-lite2win clears the screen all the time.

Cheers,

  Richard

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Still no TeX in CD#1

[Santiago Vila]

I've checked the pre6 images and teTeX is still in CD #2.
I made a very simple and precise question about this:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200205/msg00133.html

but nobody answered. What's the problem?


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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 04:05:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> but nobody answered. What's the problem?

Apparantly there isn't a consensus that tex needs to be on cd 1. I
certainly don't see that it does.

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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Santiago Vila]

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Michael Stone wrote:

> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 04:05:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > but nobody answered. What's the problem?
>
> Apparantly there isn't a consensus that tex needs to be on cd 1. I
> certainly don't see that it does.

I believed there was a consensus that the most popular packages would
be on CD #1. Thanks for replying but my question remains unanswered.


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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Santiago Vila wrote:
> I believed there was a consensus that the most popular packages would
> be on CD #1. Thanks for replying but my question remains unanswered.

So prove to us that TeX is popular. These days that would surprise
me very much.

Wichert.

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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Santiago Vila]

Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Santiago Vila wrote:
> > I believed there was a consensus that the most popular packages would
> > be on CD #1. Thanks for replying but my question remains unanswered.
>
> So prove to us that TeX is popular. These days that would surprise
> me very much.

See it by yourself:

apt-get install debian-cd
cat -n /usr/share/debian-cd/tasks/popularity-contest-woody | grep tetex-bin

Please compare with the kernel-image-2.4.18-* packages.


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Re: upgrading potato to woody with 3.0pre6 CDs

[Michael Knoop]

I had exactly the same problem.  When I ran "apt-get --simulate install
dpkg apt debconf" it showed problem packages in square brackets after
packages it was "installing".  Using this information, and stumbling around
for awhile, I finally found that running "apt-get remove libdb2" began a
rather extensive upgrade process that fixed things so I could continue with
the first step of "apt-get dpkg apt debconf" as before.  By the way, the
extensive upgrade process actually reinstalled libdb2 after it removed it.
Weird, huh?

Another problem I had was that the "dist-upgrade" process removed man-db
from my system.  When it was all over I had no access to man pages, and I
had to reinstall man-db myself.

Mike K.

At 02:28 PM 5/23/02 +0200, Marcin Wolinski wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I've tried to upgrade a Potato system to Woody using the 3.0pre6
>version of Debian CDs, but it failed miserably.  Here is what I've
>done:
>
>I commented out all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, then ran
>'apt-cdrom add' for the first four disks in the set.  Then did
>apt-get update
>and tried to 
>apt-get install dpkg apt debconf
>The program asked for the Binary-1 CD, then it was '[Working] ##%' for
>a while, and after getting to some 50% it displayed:
>
>  E: Internal Error, Could not configure a pre-depend
>
>and stopped.  Running 'apt-get dist-upgrade' gives the same result.
>Versions of packages on my system: dpkg 1.6.14, apt 0.3.19, debconf
>0.2.80.16.  Linux 2.2.17.
>
>I tried the same procedure on a second potato box with the result:
>
>  E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration
>
>
>How to cope with this situation?
>Is it possible to get more info on what actually went wrong?
>
>Is this a bug in apt/dpkg or in package descriptions on the CDs (or
>both) (or am I doing sth wrong?)?
>
>Best regards,
>Marcin
>
>
>
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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> "These days"? Do you think everybody is using w**d, or is there something
> else you can use for writing papers, books, letters, faxes, creating posters?

For scientific documents *TeX is still pretty much the only real
solution, but with scientific community these days is only a minority
of Linux users. And the rest doesn't care about TeX, they'll use
something like abiword. 

I find myself never using *TeX anymore for example, even though it used
to be the only thing I used a couple of years ago. These days I'm using
either docbook for documentation, the always present plain text or
abiword. Together those three cover all my needs.

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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Marc SCHAEFER]

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Christian T. Steigies wrote:

> I am using (La)TeX for everything I am writing, and I assume most scientists

I use LaTeX for:

   - creating documentation
   - courses
   - exams
   - offers for customers
   - invoice for customers
   - commercial letters

among others.

The marketroidization of the above would be: ``LaTeX is a central point in
my document generation, processing and storage strategy''.

However, I don't care about whether LaTeX will be on the first or second
CD :)




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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:30:25AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> "These days"? Do you think everybody is using w**d, or is there something
> else you can use for writing papers, books, letters, faxes, creating posters?

Yes, there are many options. Which is why tex doesn't necessarily
deserve the primacy of place it held when it was the only option on
linux.

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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Steve Haslam]

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 04:05:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> I've checked the pre6 images and teTeX is still in CD #2.
> I made a very simple and precise question about this:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200205/msg00133.html

Odd. I made CDs using tasks/Debian_woody and tasks/exclude-woody from the
debian-cd in CVS, and some of TeX was on CD1:

bash$ grep tetex *.packages
1.packages:tetex-base
1.packages:tetex-bin
1.packages:tetex-doc
1.packages:tetex-extra
5.packages:tetex-src
6.packages:tetex-eurosym

but I don't know the exact command to make the lists for the pre6 images.

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Re: custom boot cd

[Steve Haslam]

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:22:29AM +0100, David Murphy wrote:
> I'll probably try unpacking the ISO and see if that does the trick :)
> 
> I guess all I should need to do is mount rescue.bin and copy the new custom
> kernel into it, overwriting linux.bin and then run rdev.sh.
> 
> Is there a configuration file to tell the loader where to find the kernel
> because there are at least 2 boot-floppy folders on my ISO, both of which
> contain valid kernels?

If you're using a version of CD1, then look for a /isolinux directory. If
that exists, you should be able to just configure isolinux to look at a
different kernel. If you're not using an isolinux CD, then you need to pass
the rescue image to boot with to mkisofs (you need to specify various
options to mkisofs in any event, look for "boot" in the manpage: isolinux
needs -no-emul-boot, install syslinux and read the docs)

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i18n in Woody CD#1

[Romel Sandoval]

Since Debian its suppose to be the Universal Operative System and KDE
its the default x-session-manager, I think its impertive to include
kde-i18n packages in the CD#1. What do you think?

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Re: Still no TeX in CD#1

[Philip Charles]

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Santiago Vila wrote:

> I've checked the pre6 images and teTeX is still in CD #2.
> I made a very simple and precise question about this:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200205/msg00133.html
>
> but nobody answered. What's the problem?

This goes back about two months, IIRC.

At that stage almost all the tasks were split over the first two CDs which
in effect made the first CD useless as far as tasksel was concerned.

Modifications were suggested to make tasksel function better, but these
were vetoed as we were too close to the release.  Fair enough.

The only alternative was to get as many complete tasks onto the first CD.
A number of combinations were tried and the best was to move i18n and tex
to CD2.  All the other tasks are completely on CD1.

Unfortunately, some i18n and tex packages are on CD1 so tasksel thinks
that they are available, but they are not.  We were advised that this
problem should be mentioned in the relevant documentation.  I do not know
if this has been done.

No value judgement was made about tex.  This particular split was made to
ensure that the first CD works as well as possible.  From memory, the next
best package configuration was to move all of i18n to the first CD, but
this meant that more tasks were on the second CD.

Testing the various combinations is complex and time consuming, so please
do not make suggestions unless the package ordering has been thoroughly
tested.

Phil.

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Re: i18n in Woody CD#1

[Philip Charles]

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Romel Sandoval wrote:

>
> Since Debian its suppose to be the Universal Operative System and KDE
> its the default x-session-manager, I think its impertive to include
> kde-i18n packages in the CD#1. What do you think?

This was my thinking as well, so I made quite an effort to do this.  But
the first CD works better as it is.

Phil.

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boot-floppies 3.0.23

[Anthony Towns]

Hi,

I don't think the CDs have been regenerated since b-f's 3.0.23 came
out (installed into the archive on the 21st, 3.0-pre6 was the 17th,
apparently). It'd probably be good to get this done, since it should
hopefully fix the sparc problems that 3.0.22 had.

(Phil, if we want to move the cd images to raff before release, we need
to get on with it...)

Cheers,
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