Re: Documentation provided in the Woody CDs (should be fixed)

[Martin Quinson]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 04:31:57AM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:27:20PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > > I assume only the languages that were ready when bf 3.0.22 was tagged
> > > are there. Most of the translations catched up post-.22.
> > What about a translation-only new version ?
> 
> Would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it...

Ok, what are the other possibilities we have ?

Thanks, Mt.

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Re: Documentation provided in the Woody CDs (should be fixed)

[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 04:31:57AM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:27:20PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > > I assume only the languages that were ready when bf 3.0.22 was tagged
> > > are there. Most of the translations catched up post-.22.
> > What about a translation-only new version ?
> 
> Would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it...

IIRC one of the main possibilities of having uploads directly made
to "frozen" was documentation. In any case, since the translations are
placed in the ftp archive using "byhand" ftpmasters could also take a
translation's (documentation only, not disk images) build tar.gz and dump
it directly (w/o a package upgrade).
Could anyone in the boot-floppies team take care of this issue?
(ie. should I forward this mail?)

Regards

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isolinux failure [help, how to debug?]

[Steve Haslam]

Hi,

I tried using an unofficial woody CD from fsn.hu, but I cannot boot the
isolinux CD. I can boot, e.g. CD2 fine. Trying CD1 I get:

 ISOLINUX 1.66 2002-01-01 isolinux: Disk error 00, drive F0
 Boot failed: press a key to retry...

I saw an earlier message on here which implied you can build ISOLINUX with
more debugging information. How do I do that? rebuild the syslinux package?
I have checked out the debian-cd module from CVS and have a local mirror, so
I should be able to build a test CD.

My hardware is a SCSI (this is probably why it's screwy) DVD-ROM. It boots
other bootable CDs fine (e.g. woody CD2, windows).

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Re: jigdo-easy2win and Unofficial CD images: .jigdo for woodymissing?

[Richard Atterer]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 01:34:40PM +0200, Martijn Stegeman wrote:
> I used them just now, and alas, they are already outdated. I'm using
> the NON-US, and the jigdo contains files that have already been
> updated in the pool. These files have also propagated to the
> mirrors, so I can't get a complete image.

BTW, Attila Nagy maintains a pool of such outdated packages. This is
essential for his woody/sid CD images, because otherwise the jigdo
files would constantly suffer from this problem.

You can use that pool simply by appending the following line to the
[Servers] section of any jigdo file:

  MD5Sum=ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/debian-superseded/

Cheers,

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Re: New jigdo test on cdimage.d.o

[Richard Atterer]

On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 05:11:05PM +0200, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> Richard: Have you made sure that it will never happen that
> non-US/Contents-i386.gz and main/Contents-i386.gz will be downloaded
> in the same fetch batch in jigdo-mirror? They have the same name, so
> wget might overwrite or something. Just tell me that you have
> thought about it and solved the problem. :)

wget is actually clever enough to name the second file
"Contents-i386.gz.1" in that case!

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Re: Anarchy on CD's (lot of packages on first CD depends onpackages that are not in the first CD, etc)

[Philip Hands]

On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:13, Mantas K. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I love debian, but I not understand why there are anarchy with packages on CD's)
> 
> I just want to ask:
> Why there are *big* anarchy (with packages) on first CD of pre2 ?
> There are no xserver-common, no xserver-xfree86, no xserver-common-v3, no 
> xfonts, etc. but there are included many X applications like twm, gnome libs 
> and applications, abiword, kword, other kde programs, blah-blah-blah

Well, strictly speaking you don't necisarily need an xserver on a
machine, just becasue it has xclients on it, but I do agree that this is
a fairly stupid state of afairs.  (in other words, there is no package
dependancy between abiword and the xserver, but most users are not going
to be very impressed when you tell them that).

> (see 
> http://cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/current/jigdo/i386/woody-i386-1_NONUS.jigdo
> igdo/i386/woody-i386-1_NONUS.jigdo)
> 
> This is not good, because first CD is not usefull without second CD (because 
> a lot of packages depends on other packages that are not in the first CD), 

Is that actually true do the "Depend" or are you just saying that most
people won't have much use for abiword if they don't have an xserver on
the same machine.

The reason I ask is that what you said means that debian-cd is badly
broken in some way, whereas the other problem is just a case of needing
to set the priorities differently for which packages go on which CD.

> second CD contains packages, that depends on other packages  that are not in 
> the first and second CD's and so on :(

Could you cite some examples please.

> All CD's must be usefull without next CD's.

Agreed.

> And first CD must contain xserver-common, xserver-xfree86, 
> xserver-common-v3, xfonts and all basic tools and programs, that are needed 
> on most systems (Older CD images from ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub... were better, 
> as there were X system, mc, gimp and other good programs in the 1st CD)

Does anyone know if that the result of tweaks to debian-cd that have not
been folded into CVS, or is it simply that sizes of packages have
changed so that debian-cd simply decided to split the groups of packages
up differently on these latest tests?

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Re: isolinux failure [help, how to debug?]

[Raphael Hertzog]

Le Fri, May 03, 2002 at 10:56:49AM +0100, Steve Haslam écrivait:
>  ISOLINUX 1.66 2002-01-01 isolinux: Disk error 00, drive F0
>  Boot failed: press a key to retry...
> 
> I saw an earlier message on here which implied you can build ISOLINUX with
> more debugging information. How do I do that? rebuild the syslinux package?

I don't know ... Chris do you know more ?

> My hardware is a SCSI (this is probably why it's screwy) DVD-ROM. It boots
> other bootable CDs fine (e.g. woody CD2, windows).

Have you tried to boot with Smart Boot Manager (SBM) ? There's a sbm.bin
image that you can write on a floppy, then you boot on that floppy which
does the required bootstrapping to boot on the CD. I don't know if it
works with SCSI cds ... but I know that it helps to boot on some IDE CD
where old bioses doesn't support isolinux booting.

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Re: Anarchy on CD's (lot of packages on first CD depends on packagesthat are not in the first CD, etc)

[Philip Charles]

On 3 May 2002, Philip Hands wrote:

> Does anyone know if that the result of tweaks to debian-cd that have not
> been folded into CVS, or is it simply that sizes of packages have
> changed so that debian-cd simply decided to split the groups of packages
> up differently on these latest tests?
>
Part of the problem is that ../tasks/tasks-woody have been sorted
diabolically (or is it alphabolically) and end up on the first two CDs in
that order.  What I am doing is to nominate the order which I want the
tasks to go onto the CDs, then build the list of packages from the list
and do _not_ sort them.  It improves the first two CDs.

However, the first two CDs are involved and there is no way round this.  I
built a CD set with only the base packages and tasks-woody and went well
into the second CD.  This means that the minimum CD purchase is two discs
for a newbie.

Phil.


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Re: isolinux failure [help, how to debug?]

[Gunnar Wolf]

> Hi,
>
> I tried using an unofficial woody CD from fsn.hu, but I cannot boot the
> isolinux CD. I can boot, e.g. CD2 fine. Trying CD1 I get:
>
>  ISOLINUX 1.66 2002-01-01 isolinux: Disk error 00, drive F0
>  Boot failed: press a key to retry...
>
> I saw an earlier message on here which implied you can build ISOLINUX with
> more debugging information. How do I do that? rebuild the syslinux package?
> I have checked out the debian-cd module from CVS and have a local mirror, so
> I should be able to build a test CD.
>
> My hardware is a SCSI (this is probably why it's screwy) DVD-ROM. It boots
> other bootable CDs fine (e.g. woody CD2, windows).

You say you are running SCSI, and this may also be at fault for my
diagnostic... But what I can see wrong here is the drive ISOLINUX is
trying to boot from - I highly doubt your DVD-ROM is your system's 240th
drive! ;-) (0xF0 = 240) I suppose ISOLINUX is simply unable to see where
is the drive it can boot from.

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Re: jigdo-easy2win and Unofficial CD images: .jigdo for woodymissing?

[Attila Nagy]

Hello,

> You can use that pool simply by appending the following line to the
> [Servers] section of any jigdo file:
>   MD5Sum=ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/debian-superseded/
Correctly:
MD5Sum=ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/debian-superseded/ or
MD5Sum=http://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/debian-superseded/

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Re: Anarchy on CD's (lot of packages on first CD depends on packagesthat are not in the first CD, etc)

[Attila Nagy]

Hello,

> > And first CD must contain xserver-common, xserver-xfree86,
> > xserver-common-v3, xfonts and all basic tools and programs, that are needed
> > on most systems (Older CD images from ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub... were better,
> > as there were X system, mc, gimp and other good programs in the 1st CD)
> Does anyone know if that the result of tweaks to debian-cd that have not
> been folded into CVS, or is it simply that sizes of packages have
> changed so that debian-cd simply decided to split the groups of packages
> up differently on these latest tests?
In task-woody there is gmc (talking about mc) and gimp1.2, but there is no
xserver-xfree86, that's true.
BTW, there are some interesting stuff, like
xgalaga (which is unusable without X :) and others, like
xfonts-bolkhov-koi8r-misc...

I think there are many unusable stuff which makes other packages don't fit
on the first CD.
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Re: About jigdo test on cdimage.d.o

[Santiago Garcia Mantinan]

> rsync/httpd/ftpd and so. There is space enough on the ordinary server if I
> drop manty's images that haven't updated for a month now.
> Manty: Any objections?

Not at all.

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Re: Making sparc CDs bootable?

[Anthony Towns]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:40:35AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:56:03PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 03:18:28PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > Yes, read the CVS log. The latest boot-floppies will have this file.
> > Uh, what are these "latest" boot-floppies of which you speak?
> Current CVS. I was under the impression that there would be one more
> boot-floppies release.

Uh, no.

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Re: isolinux failure [help, how to debug?]

[Santiago Garcia Mantinan]

> I saw an earlier message on here which implied you can build ISOLINUX with
> more debugging information. How do I do that? rebuild the syslinux package?

I suppose it was mine, grabble the sources for syslinux and get
isolinux-debug.bin which is included there, unfortunately it is not on the
binary package of syslinux, then you have to modify debian-cd to use this
one instead of isolinux.bin and build the cds :-)

Alternatively I could try to make one of those cds for you and make them
available for you to download, you tell me!

What I'm thinking right now is... is ISOLINUX really mature to be included
in our first cd?

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Re: Making sparc CDs bootable?

[Philip Hands]

On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 16:29, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:40:35AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:56:03PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 03:18:28PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > > Yes, read the CVS log. The latest boot-floppies will have this file.
> > > Uh, what are these "latest" boot-floppies of which you speak?
> > Current CVS. I was under the impression that there would be one more
> > boot-floppies release.
> 
> Uh, no.

I take it that's short-hand for:

   We're releasing 3.0 with unbootable sparc CDs

is that correct?

Is it considered within the aegis of debian-cd to address this by
releasing the CDs with CVS based boot-floppies (I'm not keen on this
idea BTW).

Alternatively, is there some way of making the new boot-sparc stuff work
with the latest released boot-floppies, or was there something about the
recent CVS changes that is definitely required for sparc to be bootable
on CD?  (or at all?)

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Re: Making sparc CDs bootable?

[Ben Collins]

> Alternatively, is there some way of making the new boot-sparc stuff work
> with the latest released boot-floppies, or was there something about the
> recent CVS changes that is definitely required for sparc to be bootable
> on CD?  (or at all?)

I'm making a new sparc boot-floppies upload based on the current
released boot-floppies, with the added file. I'll leave it up to Aj
whether it gets accepted or not. If not, I guess I'll make my own Cd's
for ppl to use.


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About 1st debian CD

[Mantas K.]

Hi,

I think 1st debian CD is very important for all users, especially for 
beginners and should not contain duplicates like now:

See for example /pool/main/k - there are about 130MB of various kernel-images:
/kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 
- ~9MB
/kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs-i386 
- ~2MB
/kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3-i386  - ~5MB
/kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 
- ~58MB !!!
/kernel-image-2.4.18-i386   - ~52MB
/kernel-image-2.4.18-i386bf - ~6MB

Who needs 130MB of various kernel-images in 1st CD ???
I understand - kernel 2.2.20 and 2.2.18 are really usefull, but what about 
2.4.16 ? How many users will use kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 when there are 
newer version - kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 ?
We shoult remove ar least kernel-image-2.4.16-i386, then x-window-system
(xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi) 
will fit in 1st CD without problems.

In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all 
x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages are 
moved in second CD ?

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Re: Bug#145318: new version of my previous patch (takes binutils-multiarch into account)

[Raphael Hertzog]

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:54:32PM +0200, Karsten Merker écrivait:
> Hallo,

Hi,

> and objdump, so the case differention in my previous patch
> [obj(dump|copy) vs. mipsel-linux-obj(dump|copy)] is not needed,
> when binutils-multiarch is installed.

I still have one problem with your patch (ignoring the fact that it
needs root rights to be built) :

> +mkdir -p /tmp/debian-cd-loop.$$
> +mount -o ro,loop ${CDIMAGE} /tmp/debian-cd-loop.$$
> +KERNEL_ENTRY=`objdump -f 
>CD1/dists/$CODENAME/main/disks-$ARCH/current/tftpimage-${KTYPE[$NN]} | grep "start 
>address" | cut -f 3 -d " "`
> +echo "kernel_entry=$KERNEL_ENTRY"
> +mkdecbootcd /tmp/debian-cd-loop.$$/cdboot/tftpimage-${KTYPE[$NN]}.raw ${CDIMAGE} 
>$KERNEL_ENTRY

mkdecbootcd doesn't exist for i386 ... and we need to be able to build
all images on i386. Can you provide this program on i386 (ie make a
package) ?

$ zgrep mkdecbootcd /mirror/debian/dists/woody/Contents-i386.gz 
$ 

> +umount /tmp/debian-cd-loop.$$
> +rmdir /tmp/debian-cd-loop.$$
> +
> +exit 0

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Re: About 1st debian CD

[Chris Lawrence]

On May 03, Mantas K. wrote:
> I think 1st debian CD is very important for all users, especially for 
> beginners and should not contain duplicates like now:
> 
> See for example /pool/main/k - there are about 130MB of various 
> kernel-images:
> /kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 
>   - ~9MB
> /kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs-i386 
> - ~2MB
> /kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3-i386- ~5MB
> /kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 
>   - ~58MB !!!
> /kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 - ~52MB
> /kernel-image-2.4.18-i386bf   - ~6MB
> 
> Who needs 130MB of various kernel-images in 1st CD ???
> I understand - kernel 2.2.20 and 2.2.18 are really usefull, but what about 
> 2.4.16 ? How many users will use kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 when there are 
> newer version - kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 ?
> We shoult remove ar least kernel-image-2.4.16-i386, then x-window-system
> (xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi) 
> will fit in 1st CD without problems.
> 
> In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all 
> x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages 
> are moved in second CD ?

1. What CD images are you referring to?  The ones on ftp.fsn.hu are
unofficial, as are any other CD images floating around on the net.

2. (To whomever is responsible for these images:) You probably should
update your copy of debian-cd from CVS and remove "base-woody" from
the task file you are using.  This will eliminate a lot of stuff
that's allegedly "base" but unimportant.  Pick a 2.2 and a 2.4 kernel
image and put them in your task file.

Woody CD 1 should be fairly complete with minimal hassle, at least for
all ISO-8859-* languages.  (The cjk tasks bring in a lot of extra
stuff, so it might be worthwhile to have a separate Woody CJK cd that
has cjk tasks on it.)

Hope this helps some.


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cvs commit to debian-cd/data/sparc/etc by bcollins

[Debian Boot CVS Master]

Repository: debian-cd/data/sparc/etc
who:bcollins
time:   Fri May  3 13:23:40 PDT 2002
Log Message:
  Update version in message to 3.0

Files:
changed:debian.txt


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cvs commit to debian-cd/tools/boot/woody by bcollins

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Repository: debian-cd/tools/boot/woody
who:bcollins
time:   Fri May  3 13:25:53 PDT 2002
Log Message:
  Uncompress sparc64 kernel, so SILO doesn't get messed up by the size of 
uncompressing it itself

Files:
changed:boot-sparc


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cvs commit to debian-cd/data/sparc/etc by bcollins

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Repository: debian-cd/data/sparc/etc
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time:   Fri May  3 13:27:53 PDT 2002
Log Message:
  Put correct root.bin path and fix path to sparc64 kernel (uncompressed now)

Files:
changed:silo.conf


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Re: isolinux failure [help, how to debug?] and other base-config/debconf pain

[Steve Haslam]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:02:47PM +0100, Steve Haslam wrote:
> But that's my only problem with ISOLINUX. However, after that I had more
> install problems. The main bit (before rebooting) was fine, but base-config
> screwed up badly. It seems that db_fset commands were failing with result

a little reading of the archives shows this was already the subject of a
grave bug on base-config. whee! (did I ever mention I love the archives and
BTS?)

SRH
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Re: About jigdo test on cdimage.d.o

[Mattias Wadenstein]

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote:

> > rsync/httpd/ftpd and so. There is space enough on the ordinary server if I
> > drop manty's images that haven't updated for a month now.
> > Manty: Any objections?
>
> Not at all.

Well, actually they didn't need to go away. And stuff is up now at
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/debian-cd/ (ftp and rsync at the same place).
I thought this would be a good opportunity to migrate to the debian-cd
naming instead of debian-iso too, to fit in with everyone else.

/Mattias Wadenstein


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Re: About 1st debian CD

[Philip Charles]

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Chris Lawrence wrote:

> > Who needs 130MB of various kernel-images in 1st CD ???
> > I understand - kernel 2.2.20 and 2.2.18 are really usefull, but what about
> > 2.4.16 ? How many users will use kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 when there are
> > newer version - kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 ?
> > We shoult remove ar least kernel-image-2.4.16-i386, then x-window-system
> > (xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi)
> > will fit in 1st CD without problems.
> >
> > In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all
> > x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages
> > are moved in second CD ?
>
> 1. What CD images are you referring to?  The ones on ftp.fsn.hu are
> unofficial, as are any other CD images floating around on the net.

They are probably using an unmodified late version of debian-cd, see
below.

> 2. (To whomever is responsible for these images:) You probably should
> update your copy of debian-cd from CVS and remove "base-woody" from
> the task file you are using.  This will eliminate a lot of stuff
> that's allegedly "base" but unimportant.  Pick a 2.2 and a 2.4 kernel
> image and put them in your task file.

Having looked at base-woody this would make little difference as the
kernel images are not in this list.  I suspect that this list is redundant
as the packages listed would be included on the first CD regardless.  The
way around this would be to EXCLUDE selected kernel-images and UNEXCLUDE2
this list of images for CD2.

> Woody CD 1 should be fairly complete with minimal hassle, at least for
> all ISO-8859-* languages.  (The cjk tasks bring in a lot of extra
> stuff, so it might be worthwhile to have a separate Woody CJK cd that
> has cjk tasks on it.)

Through careful ordering of the packages in task-woody I have managed to
get most of the packages mentioned in the tasks onto the first CD.  The
exceptions are i18n, games, junior, science and fortran-dev.  The official
task-woody list has been sorted alphabetically which creates a shambles of
the first two CDs.  The script I use,

cat task.list | while read LINE; do \
apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -F Task $LINE -n -s Package;done > \
./tasks/task-woody

task.list lists the tasks in the order I want them on the CDs, task-woody
now lists the packages needed for each task in the same order as
task.list.  This list is _not_ sorted.

Thanks for the tip about the kernel images, this could mean that all of
games, junior and science will end up on the first CD.

Phil.

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