Bug#915615: debian-installer: Can't choose desired timezone

2018-12-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,

> If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step 
> "Choose language" and select a country that uses the desired time zone (the 
> country where you live or are located).

Language and country are NOT the same.. I want language to be English, country 
to be Netherlands and timezone to be UTC or CET.
This used to be possible.

Gr,

Olaf



-- System Information:
Debian Release: buster/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 4.18.0-3-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), 
LANGUAGE=en_US:en (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled



Bug#915615: debian-installer: Can't choose desired timezone

2018-12-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi,

My bad.. apparently I picked US for country instead of NL. Not being
able to set timezone to UTC or independent of country selection seems
weird though.
Op wo 5 dec. 2018 om 11:39 schreef Olaf van der Spek :
>
> Package: debian-installer
> Severity: normal
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> > If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step 
> > "Choose language" and select a country that uses the desired time zone (the 
> > country where you live or are located).
>
> Language and country are NOT the same.. I want language to be English, 
> country to be Netherlands and timezone to be UTC or CET.
> This used to be possible.
>
> Gr,
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: buster/sid
>   APT prefers unstable
>   APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
>
> Kernel: Linux 4.18.0-3-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
> Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), 
> LANGUAGE=en_US:en (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
> Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
> LSM: AppArmor: enabled



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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2014-03-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
> Is that still reproducible with current wheezy installation images? If
> that's the case, we'll see how to help you debug that further.

Hi KiBi,

Let's just close this bug, it has been almost 7 years since it was
opened. If it happens again it'll be reported again.


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Bug#742101: installation-report: Can't resize partitions

2014-03-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: installation-reports
Version: 2.55
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

I wanted to install without a swap partition as I gave the machine 5 GB of 
memory.
However, the installer doesn't give me an option to resize suggested 
partitions. Could such an option be added?
Would also be handy if you have separate partitions for /home, /usr and /var 
and want to change their sizes.

Greetings,

Olaf

-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: CD
Image version: debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
Date: 

Machine: VMware Workstation
Partitions: 
Filesystem Type 1K-blocks   Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1  ext4322023 173344127534  58% /
udev   devtmpfs 10240  0 10240   0% /dev
tmpfs  tmpfs   506204144506060   1% /run
tmpfs  tmpfs 5120  0  5120   0% /run/lock
tmpfs  tmpfs  1012400  0   1012400   0% /run/shm
/dev/sda8  ext4   2848340   4368   2679572   1% /home
/dev/sda7  ext4234890   2109216346   1% /tmp
/dev/sda5  ext4   2814076 634892   2016524  24% /usr
/dev/sda6  ext4   1379280 175948   1115220  14% /var


# fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 8589 MB, 8589934592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1044 cylinders, total 16777216 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0001ad3e

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *2048  684031  340992   83  Linux
/dev/sda2  68607816775167 80445455  Extended
/dev/sda5  686080 6537215 2925568   83  Linux
/dev/sda6 6539264 9408511 1434624   83  Linux
/dev/sda71035878410852351  246784   83  Linux
/dev/sda81085440016775167 2960384   83  Linux

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [ ]
Detect network card:[ ]
Configure network:  [ ]
Detect CD:  [ ]
Load installer modules: [ ]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ ]
User/password setup:[ ]
Detect hard drives: [ ]
Partition hard drives:  [ ]
Install base system:[ ]
Install tasks:  [ ]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Overall install:[ ]

Comments/Problems:




-- 

Please make sure that the hardware-summary log file, and any other
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report. Please compress large files using gzip.

Once you have filled out this report, mail it to sub...@bugs.debian.org.

==
Installer lsb-release:
==
DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
DISTRIB_RELEASE="8 (jessie) - installer build 20140319-00:05"
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=cdrom

==
Installer hardware-summary:
==
uname -a: Linux debian 3.13-1-486 #1 Debian 3.13.5-1 (2014-03-04) i686 GNU/Linux
lspci -knn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 
82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge [8086:7190] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Device [15ad:1976]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
lspci -knn: 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 
82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge [8086:7191] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 00:07.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 
ISA [8086:7110] (rev 08)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Device [15ad:1976]
lspci -knn: 00:07.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 
IDE [8086:7111] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Device [15ad:1976]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
lspci -knn: 00:07.3 Bridge [0680]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI 
[8086:7113] (rev 08)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Device [15ad:1976]
lspci -knn: 00:07.7 System peripheral [0880]: VMware Virtual Machine 
Communication Interface [15ad:0740] (rev 10)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Virtual Machine Communication Interface 
[15ad:0740]
lspci -knn: 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VMware SVGA II Adapter 
[15ad:0405]
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware SVGA II Adapter [15ad:0405]
lspci -knn: 00:10.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 
53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI [1000:0030] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: VMware Device [15ad:1976]
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: mptspi
lspci -knn: 00:11.0 PCI bridge [0604]: VMware PCI bridge [15ad:0790] (rev 02)
lspci -knn: 00:15.0 PCI bridge [0604]: VMware PCI Express Root Port [15ad:07a0] 
(rev 01)
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: pcieport
lspci -knn: 00:15.1 PCI bridge [0604]: VMware PCI Express Root Port [15ad:07a0] 
(rev 01)
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: pcieport
lspci -knn: 00:15.2 PCI bridge [0604]: VMware PCI Express

Include link to installer in news

2017-05-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi,

Could a link to the actual downloads be included @
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2017/20170527 ?

Gr,

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Re: Include link to installer in news

2017-05-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
2017-05-29 15:47 GMT+02:00 Cyril Brulebois :
> Hi Olaf,
>
> Olaf van der Spek  (2017-05-29):
>> Could a link to the actual downloads be included @
>> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2017/20170527 ?
>
> I'm not sure how several dozens of extra links are going to help?

Hi,

I meant just one link: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

I now found out it's hidden in the Feedback paragraph, I think
including it near to top would make it much easier to spot.


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Bug#401762: debian-installer: Installer still assumes hardware clock is set to UTC

2006-12-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

Hi,

I just installed using the daily business image and the installer still assumes 
the hardware clock is set to UTC. I'm in CET, so the time is one hour ahead.

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Bug#412982: installation-reports: Enabling 'sudo' in installer skips setting root password and breaks desktop root tasks

2007-03-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 3/2/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thursday 01 March 2007 16:17, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> When you enable sudo in the installer (via expert mode), a password for
> the root user isn't set. Then, if you (for example) want to adjust date
> & time, it asks for the root password, which of course is always
> invalid.

You should read the manpage for sudo maybe?


Maybe. Maybe not.


If you select not to activate the root account, you should use sudo for
your administrator tasks (as in 'sudo date'). The password it asks for is
the password of the user running sudo.


The Gnome date/time applet asks for the root password. The user
password doesn't work.


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Bug#412982: installation-reports: Enabling 'sudo' in installer skips setting root password and breaks desktop root tasks

2007-03-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 3/2/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Gnome date/time applet asks for the root password. The user
> password doesn't work.

Well, you could have been a bit more clear about what "it" was then. How
were we supposed to guess this was about a Gnome applet?


Yes, sorry. The 'desktop root tasks' bit only in the subject wasn't very clear.


Unfortunately I don't know anything about Gnome. IIRC gksu or something
like that is supposed to handle this correctly. I suggest you take this
up with the Gnome maintainers.


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412983


This is because time-admin (from gnome-system tools) doesn't use gksu

when launched from the panel. When gksu is used, you will get the
behaviour you describe above.


I do believe this is fixed upstream in gnome-system-tools 2.16 or 2.17.



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Bug#397649: install-report: Wrong time and NTP sync missing by default

2006-11-08 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: install-report 

   
Severity: normal

   


   
Hi, 

   


   
After installing my time is one hour ahead (I'm in GMT +1). 

   
I guess the question that's no longer asked about whether the hardware clock is 
GMT defaults to GMT instead of local.   
   


   
Also, no NTP synchronization is available by default.   

   
I really think Debian should install.   

   
Maybe install but disable, although I'd prefer it to be enabled by default. 

   


   
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Debian Release: testing/unstable

   
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  APT policy: (500, 'testing')  

   
Architecture: i386 (i686)   

   
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash 

   
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-486  

   
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)  

   


   


   


   


   

 


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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Hi,

I've got the same problem.

It'd be nice if there was a way to tell the installer to automatically 
choose a disk, especially in single-disk systems.

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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Geert Stappers wrote:

Op 15-11-2006 om 17:18 schreef Olaf van der Spek:

Hi,

I've got the same problem.

It'd be nice if there was a way to tell the installer to automatically 
choose a disk, especially in single-disk systems.


Attached is a disk recipe that I used about a year ago.
It allowed me to do a complete automatic install.

I'm curious if it still works.


Where in the recipe do you choose the disc?



Cheers
Geert Stappers





diskindeling ::

32 96 128 ext3
$primary{ }
$bootable{ }
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ /boot }
.

64 512 640 ext3
$primary{ }
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ / }
.

64 512 300% linux-swap
method{ swap }
format{ }
.

500 3000 5000 ext3
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ /usr }
.

70 1500 3000 ext3
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ /var }
.

20 300 400 ext3
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ /tmp }
.

300 3000 3000 ext3
method{ format } format{ }
use_filesystem{ }
filesystem{ ext3 }
mountpoint{ /home }
.

300 3000 10 ext3 
	$primary{ }

method{ lvm }
    .



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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek

David Härdeman wrote:

Dennis Hoppe said:

1. debian installer asks at which harddisk he should install debian etch.
but i have only one harddisk at my server.
...
d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/discs/disc0/disc


On Wed, November 15, 2006 17:18, Olaf van der Spek said:

I've got the same problem.


Dennis, Olaf...could you try changing the "partman-auto/disk" entry to
"partman-auto/select_disk" in your preseed files and see if that fixes
things, and also make sure that you only have one such line in the preseed
file as there seemed to be two "partman-auto/disk" in the preseed file
posted to the bug report.

If that fixes things, the template either needs a name change or the
manual needs an update.


After adding that line "d-i	partman-auto/select_disk	select	SCSI1 
(0,0,0) (sda) - 8.6 GB VMware, VMware Virtual S" the installer gets 
stuck at:

Starting up the partitioner
85%
Please wait...
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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Olaf van der Spek wrote:

David Härdeman wrote:

Dennis Hoppe said:
1. debian installer asks at which harddisk he should install debian 
etch.

but i have only one harddisk at my server.
...
d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/discs/disc0/disc


On Wed, November 15, 2006 17:18, Olaf van der Spek said:

I've got the same problem.


Dennis, Olaf...could you try changing the "partman-auto/disk" entry to
"partman-auto/select_disk" in your preseed files and see if that fixes
things, and also make sure that you only have one such line in the 
preseed

file as there seemed to be two "partman-auto/disk" in the preseed file
posted to the bug report.

If that fixes things, the template either needs a name change or the
manual needs an update.


After adding that line "d-ipartman-auto/select_diskselect
SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 8.6 GB VMware, VMware Virtual S" the installer 
gets stuck at:

Starting up the partitioner
85%
Please wait...


The same happens with the line "d-i	partman-auto/select_disk	select 
/dev/discs/disc0/disc"


CPU usage appears to be 100%, so I suspect an infinite loop.

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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek

David Härdeman wrote:

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 07:50:11PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:

Olaf van der Spek wrote:

David Härdeman wrote:

Dennis, Olaf...could you try changing the "partman-auto/disk" entry to
"partman-auto/select_disk" in your preseed files and see if that fixes
things


After adding that line "d-ipartman-auto/select_diskselect
SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 8.6 GB VMware, VMware Virtual S" the installer 
gets stuck at:

Starting up the partitioner
85%
Please wait...


The same happens with the line "d-ipartman-auto/select_disk select 
/dev/discs/disc0/disc"


CPU usage appears to be 100%, so I suspect an infinite loop.


Could you change to VT2 (alt + f2) while its in this loop, run "ps ax" 
and see what processes are running? The one taking 100% CPU should be 
towards the end of the list.


I don't know how to tell which one uses 100% CPU.
The bottom of the list is:
parted_server
/bin/sh /lib/partman/init.d/96initial_auto
/bin/sh /lib/partman/init.d/96initial_auto
/bin/sh /lib/partman/automatically_partition/70some_d
ps ax
/bin/sh /lib/partman/automatically_partition/70some_d

Everything after the first 96initial_auto seem to get started over and 
over and change each time

I also see 20bigges and 50some.
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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek

David Härdeman wrote:

On Fri, November 17, 2006 9:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

David Härdeman wrote:

Your recipies are missing the "partman-auto/method" entry which you need
in addition to "partman-auto/disk" (and forget what I said about
"partman-auto/select_disk").

I'll try that one.
But why does it only ask the disk question and not the method question if
you forget both?


If you forget both, it should ask both questions (the "method" question is
the first partitioning screen with choices like "Manually partition disks"
and "Automatically format disk and install using LVM", sorry can't check
the exact wording of the menu right now).


I did have "d-i	partman-auto/init_automatically_partition	select	Guided 
- use entire disk"

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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Frans Pop wrote:

reassign 398333 partman-auto
severity 398333 important
retitle 398333 preseeding: strange behavior when disk preseeded but method not 
thanks


On Friday 17 November 2006 09:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your recipies are missing the "partman-auto/method" entry which you
need in addition to "partman-auto/disk" (and forget what I said about
"partman-auto/select_disk").

Thanks to JoeyH for pointing that out.

I'll try that one.
But why does it only ask the disk question and not the method question
if you forget both?


Because the method is not a question as such when using preseeding.
We should handle the situation where partman-auto/disk is preseeded but
partman-auto/method is not more gracefully though.


Why doesn't it just use the default if it's not preseeded?
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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Frans Pop wrote:

On Friday 17 November 2006 12:59, Olaf van der Spek wrote:

I did have "d-ipartman-auto/init_automatically_partition   select  
Guided
- use entire disk"


That is probably not supported.
Please see the example in the development version of the manual:
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman


Why not?
A similar entry is shown in lines 3 and 4 of that manual.

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Bug#398333: Automatic partition/disk selection

2006-11-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Frans Pop wrote:

On Friday 17 November 2006 13:36, you wrote:

Why not?
A similar entry is shown in lines 3 and 4 of that manual.


Only for using available free space, not for formatting an entire disk.


You're right, I just copy/pasted that from running the installer 
manually and it seems to work.



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Bug#397649: install-report: NTP sync missing by default

2006-11-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

reopen 397649
thanks

Could we have NTP by default?

> But it would be a problem for the minority who have no or only
> intermittent (e.g. dial-up) network access.

Why would it be a problem?

> I leave it to the PTBs to figure out whether there is a compromise
> position.


PTBs?


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Bug#397649: install-report: NTP sync missing by default

2006-11-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 19:05, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>> Could we have NTP by default?
>
> Having NTP by default is not a d-i team decision but would better be
> discussed on debian-devel.

Who's decision is it?
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Bug#397649: install-report: NTP sync missing by default

2006-11-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Rick Thomas wrote:

No network mean the "Network Time Protocol" won't work.

Intermittent network (e.g. dial-up) means that NTP goes for long periods 
with no connection to the external time servers.  The ntpd daemon is 
(mostly) OK with that, but some auto-dialers may see it's occasional 
polls as a reason to dial the ISP, which is probably not what the user 
expected.


NTP could be at least installed but disabled instead of not installed.
Although I'd like to have it enabled by default.

Isn't it possible to start/stop ntpd based on when the dial-up link is up?
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Bug#397649: install-report: NTP sync missing by default

2006-11-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Rick Thomas wrote:


On Nov 22, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:


Rick Thomas wrote:

No network mean the "Network Time Protocol" won't work.
Intermittent network (e.g. dial-up) means that NTP goes for long 
periods with no connection to the external time servers.  The ntpd 
daemon is (mostly) OK with that, but some auto-dialers may see it's 
occasional polls as a reason to dial the ISP, which is probably not 
what the user expected.


NTP could be at least installed but disabled instead of not installed.


What's the point of installing something you're not going to enable?  
It's not that much harder to type "aptitude install ntp" than it is to 
type "update-rc.d ntp defaults"


There's a checkbox in the Gnome clock applet to enable NTP. But that 
doesn't work if it's not installed and I doubt the average user is 
easily able to install NTP.

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Bug#400815: debian-installer: Can't skip to configure package manager after failed install base system after succeeded install base system

2006-11-28 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

Hi,

I tried a daily image and wanted to see what it'd do if I selected "Install the 
base system twice". It gave a warning the second time, so I canceled.
Then I selected "Configure the package manager", but instead, it tried to 
install the base system again. It failed, but at the end it says the failed 
step is: Configure the 
package manager.

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Bug#400815: debian-installer: Can't skip to configure package manager after failed install base system after succeeded install base system

2006-11-28 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Frans Pop wrote:

On Tuesday 28 November 2006 22:28, Olaf van der Spek wrote:

I tried a daily image and wanted to see what it'd do if I selected
"Install the base system twice". It gave a warning the second time, so
I canceled. Then I selected "Configure the package manager", but
instead, it tried to install the base system again. It failed, but at
the end it says the failed step is: Configure the package manager.


That sounds about correct. You can recover by going back to partitioning. 


But why?
I canceled the second "Install the base system" before it touched my 
system, so there shouldn't be a reason to do it again.



Make sure that you do install the base system again after that.
The steps for setting up users/clock/timezone can be skipped.

I agree that the installer could be more strict and clear in it's 
warnings, but that is definitely minor.


Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-04-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: main-menu
Severity: important

Hi,

When installing Etch using debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso and auto 
url=xcc.demon.nl I encounter segfaults in a loop.

See also http://xcc.demon.nl/temp/segfault.png and 
http://xcc.demon.nl/d-i/etch/preseed.cfg

Olaf


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-04-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 4/10/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:00, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> When installing Etch using debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso and auto
> url=xcc.demon.nl I encounter segfaults in a loop.

Does the segfault also happen if you do not use a preconfiguration file?


I can't reproduce it in that case.


Does it also happen if you use a different mirror?


Yes.
BTW, on i386 the preseed file works fine.


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-04-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 4/10/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If that does not fix it, please try building up your preconfiguration file
line by line until you find what causes the segfault.


The cause is: d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-04-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 4/11/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please reply to the BTS, even if I forget to set Reply-To... ;-)


Yes, sorry.


> How does it know I'm in the Netherlands then?

I'm not quite sure selecting a country that does not match a locale is
supported ATM. If it works for you, that's fine, but I would not be
surprised if it isn't. AFAIK preseeding locale as en_NL won't work
either, but you could try that as an alternative.


Ah, that may explain why I had to manually set timezone and mirror.


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-04-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 4/11/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The cause is: d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false

OK, then let's reassign to clock-setup for now, although the real problem
could well be elsewhere.
Could you send us your last preconfiguration file? The one that made the
error show up?

Thanks for your work identifying the cause. Now let's hope that we can
reproduce it...



Just "d-i clock-setup/utc boolean false" in the file does the trick.
Maybe decreasing priority and manually choosing that answer works too,
but I don't know how to decrease priority.


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Bug#418760: preseed: Preseeding isn't working anymore in Testing

2007-04-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: preseed
Severity: normal

Hi,

I downloaded debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and tried to install it in VMware 
with auto url=xcc.demon.nl
This works with Etch, but with Testing, it asks language, country, priority and 
then it wants to check the media integrity.
The check passes, and then an install step fails. It's the execute a shell step.

Then I get back to this menu: http://xcc.demon.nl/temp/preseed.png
at which point the preseed file hasn't been fetched yet.

Greetings,

Olaf


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Bug#418760: preseed: Preseeding isn't working anymore in Testing

2007-04-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 4/16/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Friday 13 April 2007 15:28, Joey Hess wrote:
> Testing is no longer etch, but lenny, so the default url downloaded
> when using a simple url has changed
> from http://hostname/d-i/etch/./preseed.cfg
> to   http://hostname/d-i/lenny/./preseed.cfg
>
> I imagine that's the cause of your problem.

After checking by running an install with 'auto url=xcc.demon.nl' myself,
this is exactly the case. Therefore closing this report.


Actually, that wasn't it.
I tried http://hostname/d-i/lenny/./preseed.cfg before and tried it
again now, it doesn't work with the image I had. But with a new daily
image it works.

BTW, gmail appears to be blocking mail from @debian.org. :(


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-05-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 5/19/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There was someone else who reported the same issue on IRC, but if we
cannot reproduce it, we will need you (or someone else) who can to debug
this.


'Unfortunately' I can't reproduce it either with a more recent CD image.


To try to trace this I would suggest the following:
- boot with 'install url=http://'
- at the first dialog, switch to VT2
- edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-preseed.postinst and add a 'set -x'
- continue the installation untill the problem occurs
- find some way to get the syslog off the system

The last may be tricky. You could try booting with BOOT_DEBUG=3 and
editing /etc/inittab so the debian-installer program does not
automatically respawn.
If you add modules=openssh-client-udeb at the boot prompt, you will be
able to run scp from a shell.

Cheers,
FJP




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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-05-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 5/22/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 19:10, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> 'Unfortunately' I can't reproduce it either with a more recent CD
> image.

Hmm. What do you mean "recent image". Your original report was for an
official Etch image and there are no new images for that.
If the issue is reproducible with an Etch image, it is still worth
investigating.


Good question. :)
I mixed up this bug with another in which preseed in Lenny didn't work.

On 5/19/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

To try to trace this I would suggest the following:
- boot with 'install url=http://'


With install instead of auto, it appears to ignore the preseed file,
so I'll use auto.


- at the first dialog, switch to VT2
- edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-preseed.postinst and add a 'set -x'
- continue the installation untill the problem occurs
- find some way to get the syslog off the system

The last may be tricky. You could try booting with BOOT_DEBUG=3 and


Why is that needed?
And I get a debug shell (sh: can't access tty; job control turned
off). I've no idea how to continue after that.


editing /etc/inittab so the debian-installer program does not
automatically respawn.
If you add modules=openssh-client-udeb at the boot prompt, you will be
able to run scp from a shell.

Cheers,
FJP




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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-05-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 5/22/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why is that needed?

If you can access the shell without problems after the failure, this is
possibly not needed. But you will still need to add the "set -x" somehow
_before_ the preconfiguration file gets loaded.


But network-preseed.postinst doesn't seem to exist when I'm
configuring locale etc.
By the time it does exist, DHCP has already run and I'm at the hostname dialog.


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Bug#418590: main-menu: Segfault during automatic install on AMD64

2007-05-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 5/22/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 21:31, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> But network-preseed.postinst doesn't seem to exist when I'm
> configuring locale etc.
> By the time it does exist, DHCP has already run and I'm at the hostname
> dialog.

Right. I forgot that it is only loaded during "load additional installer
components".

The best way to boot the installer is probably:
install priority=medium auto=true url=...

This way the installation will proceed as if you booted with 'auto
url=...', but will go step by step so you can make the needed change just
before the preconfiguration file is loaded.

/me hopes he's got it right this time :-P


When I do that I get tons of questions and it seems the issue doesn't
occur anymore.
Is there no other way to get that set -x in there?

BTW, I'm using VMware Workstation on a Core 2 Duo processor. It's
weird that no one can reproduce this.


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Ted Ts'o  wrote:
> I am guessing you are doing (a) today --- am I right?  (c) or (d)
> would be best.

Are there any plans to provide an API for atomic (non-durable) file
updates, not involving fsync?
Would be simpler (for apps), faster and more general (because it makes
less assumptions).

Olaf


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Ian Jackson
 wrote:
> Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression 
> with ext4"):
>> Are there any plans to provide an API for atomic (non-durable) file
>> updates, not involving fsync?
>
> Yes.  Such an API has already been defined by POSIX, SuSv3, et al.
> It's called "rename".

Probably not an issue for dpkg, but in general:
Don't you reset meta-data that way?
Require a second file (name), permission to write to it and assume
it's on the same volume?

Olaf


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Bastian Blank  wrote:
> Again: Please quote the standard instead of crying. Your view of things
> disallows many of the recent improvements in filesystems, so you have to
> show evidence. All the databases and other reliable data handing tools
> uses fsync since a long time, because the writes may or may not hit the
> disk otherwise.

If the durable guarantee isn't necessary, fsync isn't the fastest way, right?

Olaf


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ian Jackson
 wrote:
> Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression 
> with ext4"):
>> Probably not an issue for dpkg, but in general:
>> Don't you reset meta-data that way?
>
> Yes.  If you want to keep the metadata you must copy it.

I guess that's hard.

>> Require a second file (name), permission to write to it and assume
>> it's on the same volume?
>
> It will be on the same volume because it's in the same directory.

What about the other issues?

> This is the standard way that ordinary files for which reliability was
> important have been updated on Unix for decades.  fsync is for files
> which need synchronisation with things external to the computer (or at
> least, external to the volume) - eg, email at final dot.

I know. I agree the rename trick should work, but my point is that a
better way for atomic non-durable file updates would be good to have.

Olaf


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Ted Ts'o  wrote:
> Lots of users have complained about the desktop performance problem,
> but the reality is we can't really solve that without also taking away
> the magic that made (c) happen.  Whether you solve it by using
> data=writeback and stick with ext3, or switch to ext4, or switch to
> XFS, or switch to btrfs --- all of these will solve the desktop
> performance problem, but they also leave you vulnerable to file loss
> in the case of system crashes and applications that don't use
> fsync()/fdatasync().

Are you saying you can't guarantee the atomic property without the
durable property? I don't think that's right.

I also don't understand why you can't solve the old contents issue
without negatively affecting performance.

> Hence the fact that all file system developers, whether they were
> btrfs developers or XFS developers or ext4 developers, made the joke
> at the file system developers summit two years ago, that what the
> application programmers really wanted was O_PONY, with the magic pixie
> dust.   Unfortunately:

I think a lot would be happy with O_ATOMIC.

Olaf


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Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Raphael Hertzog  wrote:
> (Dropping bug report)
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>> > Hence the fact that all file system developers, whether they were
>> > btrfs developers or XFS developers or ext4 developers, made the joke
>> > at the file system developers summit two years ago, that what the
>> > application programmers really wanted was O_PONY, with the magic pixie
>> > dust.   Unfortunately:
>>
>> I think a lot would be happy with O_ATOMIC.
>
> Please don't hijack/spam a bugreport for random complaints about the design
> of file systems. Ted's answer has been very valuable to solve the problem
> we have and I really dislike when constructive threads turn into
> bikeshedding over file system design.
>
> Thanks for your comprehension. Feel free to go discuss your issues on
> upstream mailing lists.

This isn't about bikeshedding, it's about solving this general problem
in a proper way.

Olaf


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Bug#519196: (no subject)

2011-01-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Still an issue in Squeeze. :(

Olaf



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Bug#609880: partman-partitioning: Add acl mount option

2011-01-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: partman-partitioning
Version: 79
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

The mount options list doesn't include an option to enable ACLs (on ext). Could 
you add it?

Greetings,

Olaf

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Bug#519196: installation-reports: No easy way to install without swap partition

2009-03-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: installation-reports
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

I recently installed Lenny. I wanted to install without swap partition, but 
didn't find an easy way to do so.
The only way appears to be to manually do the partition setup.

I'd prefer a way to delete the swap partition in guided partitioning (already 
possible) and then increase the size of the other partition /.

-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: CD
Image version: Lenny
Date: 

Machine: x86
Partitions: 


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [ ]
Detect network card:[ ]
Configure network:  [ ]
Detect CD:  [ ]
Load installer modules: [ ]
Detect hard drives: [ ]
Partition hard drives:  [ ]
Install base system:[ ]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ ]
User/password setup:[ ]
Install tasks:  [ ]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Overall install:[ ]

Comments/Problems:




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==
Installer lsb-release:
==
DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
DISTRIB_RELEASE="5.0 (lenny) - installer build 20090123"
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=cdrom

==
Installer hardware-summary:
==
umame -a: Linux router 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Sat Jan 10 17:46:23 UTC 2009 i686 unknown
lspci -knn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX Host 
bridge [8086:71a0]
lspci -knn: 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX AGP 
bridge [8086:71a1]
lspci -knn: 00:06.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: Adaptec AIC-7880U 
[9004:8078] (rev 02)
lspci -knn: Kernel modules: aic7xxx
lspci -knn: 00:07.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 
ISA [8086:7110] (rev 02)
lspci -knn: 00:07.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 
IDE [8086:7111] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: PIIX_IDE
lspci -knn: Kernel modules: piix
lspci -knn: 00:07.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB 
PIIX4 USB [8086:7112] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: Kernel modules: uhci-hcd
lspci -knn: 00:07.3 Bridge [0680]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI 
[8086:7113] (rev 02)
lspci -knn: 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Digital Equipment Corporation 
DECchip 21142/43 [1011:0019] (rev 41)
lspci -knn: Kernel driver in use: tulip
lspci -knn: Kernel modules: tulip
lspci -knn: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Cirrus Logic GD 5465 
[Laguna] [1013:00d6] (rev 03)
lsmod: Module  Size  Used by
lsmod: ufs63748  0 
lsmod: qnx47684  0 
lsmod: ntfs  180416  0 
lsmod: dm_mod 45384  0 
lsmod: md_mod 65940  0 
lsmod: xfs   446836  0 
lsmod: reiserfs  187008  0 
lsmod: jfs   148060  0 
lsmod: ext3  103688  1 
lsmod: jbd35092  1 ext3
lsmod: vfat8832  0 
lsmod: fat39964  1 vfat
lsmod: ext2   52744  0 
lsmod: mbcache 6656  2 ext3,ext2
lsmod: tulip  43808  0 
lsmod: nls_utf81664  2 
lsmod: isofs  27684  0 
lsmod: nls_base6528  6 ntfs,jfs,vfat,fat,nls_utf8,isofs
lsmod: zlib_inflate   13952  1 isofs
lsmod: rsrc_nonstatic  9344  0 
lsmod: pcmcia_core31760  1 rsrc_nonstatic
lsmod: ide_generic 2432  0 [permanent]
lsmod: usb_storage75328  0 
lsmod: vga16fb11276  2 
lsmod: vgastate7552  1 vga16fb
lsmod: thermal_sys10656  0 
lsmod: ide_cd_mod 27524  0 
lsmod: cdrom  30112  1 ide_cd_mod
lsmod: ide_disk   10368  3 
lsmod: uhci_hcd   18320  0 
lsmod: piix6404  0 [permanent]
lsmod: aic7xxx   120792  0 
lsmod: scsi_transport_spi 19712  1 aic7xxx
lsmod: usbcore   117104  2 usb_storage,uhci_hcd
lsmod: ide_core   94760  4 ide_generic,ide_cd_mod,ide_disk,piix
lsmod: scsi_mod  129420  3 usb_storage,aic7xxx,scsi_transport_spi
df: Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
df: tmpfs   45314428453116   0% /dev
df: /dev/hda1 18398028497292  16966160   3% /target
df: /dev/hda1 18398028497292  16966160   3% /dev/.static/dev
df: tmpfs   45314428453116   0% /target/dev
free:   total used free   shared  buffe

Bug#519196: installation-reports: No easy way to install without swap partition

2009-03-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Christian Perrier  wrote:
>> I recently installed Lenny. I wanted to install without swap partition, but 
>> didn't find an easy way to do so.
>> The only way appears to be to manually do the partition setup.
>
>
> You mean you'd prefer having a guided partitioning option with "No
> swap".

No, not necessarily.
After choosing guided partition, it's already possible to delete the
(proposed) swap partition.
However, there is no way to increase the size of the / partition.

I think being able to change the size after creating a partition would
be a good option in general.

Olaf



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Bug#519196: installation-reports: No easy way to install without swap partition

2009-03-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Christian Perrier  wrote:
> Quoting Olaf van der Spek (olafvds...@gmail.com):
>
>> No, not necessarily.
>> After choosing guided partition, it's already possible to delete the
>> (proposed) swap partition.
>> However, there is no way to increase the size of the / partition.
>>
>> I think being able to change the size after creating a partition would
>> be a good option in general.
>
>
> But, if I'm correct, you can do this, don't you?
>
> On the main partman screen displaying all partitions, can't you just
> move to the partition you want to change, hit Enter on it and change
> its properties...including size?

No, you can change everything but size.



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Bug#613796: partman-partitioning: Put swap at begin of disk instead of at end

2011-02-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: partman-partitioning
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

Could swap be put at the begin instead of at the end of a disk?
It's better for performance and it allows one to resize the / partition without 
touching the swap one.

Greetings,

Olaf

Disk /dev/sda: 17.2 GB, 17179869184 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2088 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00050fa9

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   1 993 7976241   83  Linux
/dev/sda2 9941044  409657+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5 9941044  409626   82  Linux swap / Solaris

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Bug#613796: partman-partitioning: Put swap at begin of disk instead of at end

2011-02-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Miguel Figueiredo  wrote:
>> Could swap be put at the begin instead of at the end of a disk?
>> It's better for performance and it allows one to resize the / partition
>> without touching the swap one.
>
> /boot is very small and usually it's a good idea to have it in the begining of
> the disk so bootloaders don't have problems with dealing with it.
> At least this was a requirement with ancient distributions/disks/bios :)
> I'm not sure if the same happens today on any arch or port...
>
> If that's the case then /boot, swap, everything else would be safer.

I mean before /, by default there's no separate /boot.


Olaf



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Bug#613796: partman-partitioning: Put swap at begin of disk instead of at end

2011-02-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Michael Tokarev  wrote:
> There should be absolutely no difference for performance.
> If by "performance" here you mean you want faster swap,
> I'd say you want _no_ swapping instead, and if you're
> heavily swapping, no swap relocation will ever help.

That's true.

> In contrary to that, you really want your main filesystems
> to be at the beginning of the drive - the data you access
> most often.

A 256 mb swap partition before a 1 tb root partition isn't really
going to make a difference.

> For resizing, -- there's no big deal to temporary remove
> or move swap in case you're resizing root filesystem.
> Root filesystem can be resized only when booting from
> a rescue/install media (so swap isn't used), and you
> can always remove swap space from a running system
> if there's enough RAM (and there should be enough of
> it, see above).

Not true, ext supports online resize.

Olaf



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Bug#613796: partman-partitioning: Put swap at begin of disk instead of at end

2011-02-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Michael Tokarev  wrote:
> 256mb for swap is very rare nowadays.  yes, it makes little

Is it? I thought it was the default. More doesn't make sense.

>> Not true, ext supports online resize.
>
> While ext*fs and xfs supports online resizing, one needs
> to resize partitions too, and that one isn't that easy,
> you need to reboot for the kernel to recognize new size
> of a partition which is in use (it is possible to resize
> only unused partition freely using BLKPG ioctl, but root
> fs is always mounted).

That seems silly.

> So at least you will reboot, and when you do so, it may
> be just safer to go for offline resize (using rescue/install
> media), verifying at the same time that you do have an
> alternative way to boot up the system if something goes
> wrong.

Olaf


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Bug#613796: partman-partitioning: Put swap at begin of disk instead of at end

2011-02-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Lennart Sorensen
 wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:18:33PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>> Is it? I thought it was the default. More doesn't make sense.
>
> If you have 8GB ram, 256MB swap is useless.  4 or 8GB might be useful.
> Some people work with datasets that large sometimes.  If you have 32MB
> ram, 256MB swap is probably too much.

I'm not sure swap size should be related to memory size like that.
It's more related to the amount of committed but not regularly used
memory and the performance of the swap device.

>> That seems silly.
>
> Linux has always been that way.  It will only rescan a partition table
> if the device isn't in use at all.

That doesn't make it any less silly. ;)


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Bug#284760: debian-installer-manual: netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz

2004-12-08 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Package: debian-installer-manual
Severity: normal

Hi,

http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd

> you should download the netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz file 

The manual doesn't tell where this file can be downloaded.
I think a link is appropriate.

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