Bug#1071383: gnome-core should recommend network-manager instead of network-manager-gnome
On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 at 21:00:41 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 14.10.24 um 17:13 schrieb Simon McVittie: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 16:33:40 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > The name of the network-manager-gnome package is indeed a bit misleading > > > nowadays. > > > Thus for some time I contemplated splitting up the package (similar to how > > > Fedora has done) into network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor. The > > > former would contain the nm-applet binary, the latter > > > nm-connection-editor. > > > > > > network-manager-gnome would become a transitional metapackage depending on > > > both. This split now exists in unstable. > > Various non-GNOME desktops do pull in network-manager-gnome, and I'm not > > sure which half of it they want: Budgie, Cinnamon, LXDE, LXQt and MATE > > pull it in as a Recommends or Depends in their metapackages, XFCE pulls it > > in via task-xfce-desktop, and the design-desktop and parl-desktop > > metapackages (both of which are XFCE variants) have it as Depends. Those > > desktops' maintainers might have an opinion on whether this split would > > be helpful. > > Good idea. Looping them in here for their feedback. I've opened bugs for the non-GNOME packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest the transitional network-manager-gnome, asking for them to move to Depends/Recommends/Suggests on network-manager-applet, nm-connection-editor and/or network-manager. (I didn't bother to open bugs for GNOME team packages, I just fixed them instead :-) smcv
Maintenance of desktop-environment related packages
Hello installer-team,
Simon has just filed some bugreports against tasksel, that ask for package
adjustment for some different desktop environments (regarding network-manager
packages): #1086819, #1086829, #1086831
I would like to make a proposal, to be sent out to all DE teams.
We are not the right people to decide, which packages to include in which
DE, so we will have to ask the DE people anyway.
To simplify this whole structure, I propose the following:
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The installer-team would like to invite the desktop-environment teams, to
change the way how package selection for the different desktops is managed:
Instead of maintaining a list of packages per desktop in tasksel (thus
in task-*-desktop), managed by the installer-team (that has no deep insight,
which package makes sense to be included in the respective desktops), we
would like to move to one (or more) meta packages per desktop, which are
maintained by the respective desktop teams, and where tasksel depends on.
GNOME recently went this way already: there are two meta packages for
the GNOME desktop ('gnome-core' and 'gnome'), and task-gnome-desktop
simply depends on them.
That way, GNOME people can easily control, which packages they would
like to have included in a GNOME desktop installation performed by the
debian-installer / tasksel.
So, please think about introducing one or more meta packages for your
desktop, and depending them on all packages you would like to have
included in a default installation of your DE.
If you already have such structure ready, please drop us a note, which meta
packages are relevant for your DE, so that tasksel can depend on them.
Many thanks
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What do you think?
Holger
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Bug#1086819: task-gnome-flashback-desktop: dependency on transitional network-manager-gnome
Package: task-gnome-flashback-desktop Version: 3.77 Severity: minor Tags: trixie sid X-Debbugs-Cc: gnome-flashb...@packages.debian.org This package depends on network-manager-gnome, which is now a transitional package. If the functionality that it requires is /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor, please depend on the nm-connection-editor package instead. If the functionality that it requires is the nm-applet applet (tray icon) indicating network status, please depend on the network-manager-applet package instead. If it requires both, please depend on both packages separately. If it doesn't actually require either of those, but only the NetworkManager daemon, you might want to depend on network-manager instead (this is what GNOME does). Thanks, smcv
Processed: remove grub-legacy support
Processing control commands: > block 1086750 by -1 Bug #1086750 [src:grub] grub-installer still uses old grub-legacy 1086750 was not blocked by any bugs. 1086750 was not blocking any bugs. Added blocking bug(s) of 1086750: 1086840 -- 1086750: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1086750 1086840: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1086840 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Bug#1086840: remove grub-legacy support
Source: grub-installer Version: 1.203 Severity: serious Control: block 1086750 by -1 We finally want to get rid of grub-legacy in Debian. It's now (in sid) only a transistional package depending on grub-pc. There's MR!20 [0] by Pascal Homburg which completely removes the grub-legacy parts of it. [0] https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/grub-installer/-/merge_requests/20
Bug#1071383: gnome-core should recommend network-manager instead of network-manager-gnome
On Mi 06 Nov 2024 11:30:48 CET, Simon McVittie wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 at 12:05:41 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: On Mi 16 Okt 2024 21:00:41 CEST, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 14.10.24 um 17:13 schrieb Simon McVittie: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 16:33:40 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > The name of the network-manager-gnome package is indeed a bit misleading > > > nowadays. > > > Thus for some time I contemplated splitting up the package (similar to how > > > Fedora has done) into network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor. The > > > former would contain the nm-applet binary, the latter nm-connection-editor. > > > > > > network-manager-gnome would become a transitional metapackage depending on > > > both. This split is now present in unstable. In MATE Desktop we actively want / use / rely-on network-manager-gnome. When touching the whole thing, may I suggest renaming the bin:pkg "network-manager-gnome" to another name? Such es network-manager-applet? Please see the quoted text above, and please change MATE's dependency to either nm-applet (if you want the icon in the notification area/"tray") or nm-connection-editor (if you want the configuration editor) or both (if you want all of the previous functionality of n-m-gnome). Urgh... will network-manager-applet work / behave well if nm-connection-editor is not installed? IMHO, nm-applet is quite useless with nm-connection-editor. Wouldn't it be could to let network-manager-applet depend on nm-connection-editor? Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM c\o Technik- und Ökologiezentrum Eckernförde Mike Gabriel, Marienthaler Str. 17, 24340 Eckernförde mobile: +49 (1520) 1976 148 landline: +49 (4351) 850 8940 GnuPG Fingerprint: 9BFB AEE8 6C0A A5FF BF22 0782 9AF4 6B30 2577 1B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de pgpFCJ9G_FYGR.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#1086831: task-xfce-desktop: recommends transitional network-manager-gnome
Package: task-xfce-desktop Version: 3.77 Severity: minor Tags: trixie sid X-Debbugs-Cc: xf...@packages.debian.org This package Recommends network-manager-gnome, which is now a transitional package. If the functionality that it requires is /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor, please recommend the nm-connection-editor package instead. If the functionality that it requires is the nm-applet applet (tray icon) indicating network status, please recommend the network-manager-applet package instead. If it requires both, please depend on both packages separately. If it doesn't actually require either of those, but only the NetworkManager daemon, you might want to recommend network-manager instead. It might be better to remove some of the Recommends from task-xfce-desktop entirely, and rely on the xfce4 or xfce4-goodies metapackages (which are under the XFCE maintainers' direct control) to pull them in. GNOME switched to this maintenance model during the trixie/sid cycle. Thanks, smcv
Bug#1071383: gnome-core should recommend network-manager instead of network-manager-gnome
On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 at 12:05:41 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > On Mi 16 Okt 2024 21:00:41 CEST, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 14.10.24 um 17:13 schrieb Simon McVittie: > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 16:33:40 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > > The name of the network-manager-gnome package is indeed a bit misleading > > > > nowadays. > > > > Thus for some time I contemplated splitting up the package (similar to > > > > how > > > > Fedora has done) into network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor. > > > > The > > > > former would contain the nm-applet binary, the latter > > > > nm-connection-editor. > > > > > > > > network-manager-gnome would become a transitional metapackage depending > > > > on > > > > both. This split is now present in unstable. > In MATE Desktop we actively want / use / rely-on network-manager-gnome. When > touching the whole thing, may I suggest renaming the bin:pkg > "network-manager-gnome" to another name? Such es network-manager-applet? Please see the quoted text above, and please change MATE's dependency to either nm-applet (if you want the icon in the notification area/"tray") or nm-connection-editor (if you want the configuration editor) or both (if you want all of the previous functionality of n-m-gnome). The network-manager-gnome transitional package cannot usefully be renamed: the whole point of transitional packages is that they keep the old name, and depend on the new name(s). But desktop environments can stop depending on it. smcv
Bug#1086819: task-gnome-flashback-desktop: dependency on transitional network-manager-gnome
Hi Simon! On Wed, Nov 06, 2024 at 12:24:24PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > Package: task-gnome-flashback-desktop > Version: 3.77 > Severity: minor > Tags: trixie sid > X-Debbugs-Cc: gnome-flashb...@packages.debian.org > > This package depends on network-manager-gnome, which is now a transitional > package. > > If the functionality that it requires is /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor, > please depend on the nm-connection-editor package instead. > > If the functionality that it requires is the nm-applet applet (tray icon) > indicating network status, please depend on the network-manager-applet > package instead. GNOME Flashback requires the tray icon. I submitted a MR to change the dependency: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/tasksel/-/merge_requests/36 -- Dmitry Shachnev signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1086829: task-mate-desktop: recommends transitional network-manager-gnome
Package: task-mate-desktop Version: 3.77 Severity: minor Tags: trixie sid X-Debbugs-Cc: mate-desktop-environm...@packages.debian.org This package Recommends network-manager-gnome, which is now a transitional package. If the functionality that it requires is /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor, please recommend the nm-connection-editor package instead. If the functionality that it requires is the nm-applet applet (tray icon) indicating network status, please recommend the network-manager-applet package instead. If it requires both, please depend on both packages separately. If it doesn't actually require either of those, but only the NetworkManager daemon, you might want to recommend network-manager instead. It might be better to remove some of the Recommends from task-mate-desktop entirely, and rely on the mate-desktop-environment metapackage (which is under the MATE maintainers' direct control) to pull them in. GNOME switched to this maintenance model during the trixie/sid cycle. Thanks, smcv
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Bug#1071383: gnome-core should recommend network-manager instead of network-manager-gnome
Am 06.11.24 um 17:05 schrieb Mike Gabriel: On Mi 06 Nov 2024 11:30:48 CET, Simon McVittie wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 at 12:05:41 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: On Mi 16 Okt 2024 21:00:41 CEST, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 14.10.24 um 17:13 schrieb Simon McVittie: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 16:33:40 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > The name of the network-manager-gnome package is indeed a bit misleading > > > nowadays. > > > Thus for some time I contemplated splitting up the package (similar to how > > > Fedora has done) into network-manager-applet and nm-connection- editor. The > > > former would contain the nm-applet binary, the latter nm- connection-editor. > > > > > > network-manager-gnome would become a transitional metapackage depending on > > > both. This split is now present in unstable. In MATE Desktop we actively want / use / rely-on network-manager- gnome. When touching the whole thing, may I suggest renaming the bin:pkg "network-manager-gnome" to another name? Such es network-manager-applet? Please see the quoted text above, and please change MATE's dependency to either nm-applet (if you want the icon in the notification area/"tray") or nm-connection-editor (if you want the configuration editor) or both (if you want all of the previous functionality of n-m-gnome). Urgh... will network-manager-applet work / behave well if nm-connection- editor is not installed? IMHO, nm-applet is quite useless with nm- connection-editor. Wouldn't it be could to let network-manager-applet depend on nm-connection-editor? The new network-manager-applet package *does* have a Depends: nm-connection-editor, for the simple reason that it execs this binary at various places. If all you want is the notification area applet, a simple dependency on network-manager-applet is fine. If you have code that execs nm-connection-editor directly, then please document that by adding an explicit dependency on nm-connection-editor and don't rely on network-manager-applet to pull it in for you. Thanks everyone who has provided feedback. Regards Michael P.S.: Simon has filed relevant bug reports and I usertagged them accordingly https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bts-usertags.cgi?user=pkg-utopia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org&tag=nm-applet-split OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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