Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Richard Darst wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 01:19:57AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > No. You (leader@, auditor@) will need to do this on their own. > > > > If you want to keep track of the money separately, you'd better keep > > it marked Debconf and give leader@, auditor@ authority over it as > > well. > > That is what I thought, and why I asked. Of course, the way > to keep balances separate is to put them is separate accounts. It seems that with regards to Zack the question is rather if money should be tracked separately - as it has been in the past. > Thus, I encourage you all to think about how the DebConf share of > Debian money will be tracked. My first reaction is "I don't want to > be the one doing it". I was going to try to make better money > management my goal this year, but if the safest tool for it is taken > away, I'm not sure if I want to be the one attempting this anymore. You can always open your favourite spreasheet (sc, lscs, ocalc, gnumeric etc.) and track incoming and outgoing money. That's how we did this in the past before organisations like ffis were able to earmark money and provide a digital view to the money. > How do you all imagine the DebConf/Debian money separation would work > if accounts are merged? It seems that for Zack there should be no separation at all. Maybe you all should first discuss whether Debian and Debconf money should be tracked differently or whether Debian organises Debconf donations for Debconf are just donations for Debian. Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > The basic principle which is at stake here is that DebConf/Debian money > should *not* be separated. > > There are two reasons for that: 1) sponsors donate money to DebConf > because it's the Debian conference; 2) in past years Debian has poured > into DebConf something like 70'000$ (very approximate number, > reconstructed by others in the past on this list), if you want a sharp > distinction, one might imagine Debian claiming back that money, which > would be very unpleasant for everybody. At least a large part of it could be moved back to Debian... > Getting back to your question, I believe that DebConf should be an event > which, in an *amortized* way, costs no money. To cover up for the years > in which the costs are higher than raised money, Debian money should be > used as a "bank" for DebConf organization. To me this sounds more like it would would be helpful for you all if the money would continue to be earmarked differently in the future but that the Debian project leader and accountant should get a view to that money as well. In case that the conference doesn't end up with a sum of zero surplus money would be moved to the Debian pool. I case of a negative sum the leader approves to move money from the Debian pool to the conference pool. > Keeping track of the cost year after year is up to the conference > budget, which already exists and should allow everybody (including > people outside Debian, for transparency) to see the income/outcome money > year after year. Considering all this, I fail to see why merging > accounts *at FFIS* makes thing any worse. It seems to me that it'll be easier for you to keep the accounts separate. The problem that you (leader@) doesn't have an overview on what's going on at the conference part can be solved quite easily by extending your account. There's one more thing that might help you in this discussion. Let's assume the accounts are merged. How do the Debconf organisers get to know the actual balance and can track incoming money? Either they get a view over the entire Debian money as well, or they query leader@ or auditor@ . Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > to know the actual total amount of reserves would need to check two > > > accounts instead of one. > > Maybe it's easier to write this as relation like in databases: > > account/login 1 n earmarks for money > > > > The auditors account is totally separate from your account. Both can > > view some projects. They can be the same, but the could be different, > > they could also be several of which some are shared. > > I've made a poor choice of words above. "account" was not meant to be a > synonym of "login", but rather "account" in the bank sense, as in > "savings account". So what I meant above was that it would be handier > if we could see the total amount of savings in a single table, instead > of having to check 2 distinct tables and sum up money. Maybe I don't understand this in detail as (a) there is only one bank account for ffis used for donations, and that if your account is able to view both the Debian and the Debconf earmarking you do get one overview table with the sum of both earmarks and a total sum. To me this sounds exactly like what you are looking for. ... as I wrote, maybe I don't really understand the discussion. Regards, Joey -- This is GNU/Linux Country. On a quiet night, you can hear Windows reboot. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Permission for use, request (fwd)
Hi there.
Since I am having problems with my ISPs and relays, I don't know if my
original message reached Adnan. For this reason, I am sending here an
(edited) version of what I wrote to Adnan, with the "private chat" edited.
Regards, Rogério Brito.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:06:40 -0200
From: Rogério Brito
To: Adnan Hodzic
Subject: Re: Permission for use, request
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Hi, Adnan.
On Feb 19 2011, Adnan Hodzic wrote:
> Quote of paragraphs we would like to use are:
Yes, you can use it, with the following conditions:
* you attribute me (not as anonymous);
* incorporates the grammatical/spelling fixes below;
* I explicitly license it as GPL-2+.
> """
> Even though I am late with this post, it is nice to say that I am
> writing here from this year's DebConf10, in NYC.
>
> Today (well, yesterday) was the day of the Cheese and Wine party and I
> think that it was cool, at least for the moments that I were there.
> This post, though, isn't technical in any sense. I only talks shortly
Should be read: "I only talk shortly".
> about my impressions of the community, as this is my first DebConf
> ever (despite the fact that I have been using Debian since the late
> nineties).
>
> I was very pleased to have met Bdale Garbee. I saw him the other day
> arriving with Keith Packard, but I just didn't want to disturb them at
> that point. We only talked for, say, 2 minutes, and his was one of the
> nicest receptions that I had here.
>
> And there were some other people that were equally easy to approach,
> nice to talk with and, to my surprise, knew my name after some brief
> moments (yes, this does make a difference, especially when you are in
> a strange country, when you don't know anybody with whom you have
> worked for some years). Being involved in the organization stuff, one
> would think that Jimmy Kaplowitz would be so busy, but he was so kind.
>
> I had longer conversations with Tássia Camões, Tiago Vaz (as always)
> and some other people that I had not yet had the pleasure of meeting
> in person. In particular, Daniel Baumann (who apparently is now crazy
> about our FISL and wants to drink all Guaraná that he can get :-)),
> Chris Lamb and Otávio Salvador and his mom. Those people are so cool
> and it is nice to discuss some legal issues among different continents
"and it was nice to discuss"
> in the lounge of their building at late night. :-)
> """
>
> Rogério Brito
> August 3rd, 2010
> http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog/posts/first-post-from-debconf-10/
>
> Please let us know if you give permission for us to quote your blog in
> the report. (The report will be GPL-licensed, version 2 or later.)
Go ahead.
Thanks, Rogério Brito.
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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] DebConf 11 report - Feb 24
2011/2/24 Leandro Gómez > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > >> Hey everybody, >> >> There were many great days for DebConf11, but we should definitely >> remember this one. >> >> As you may know I had a meeting with President and Minister of Science >> and Technology today. Meeting was a big one, I was there with lady >> that's in charge of NGO "DIVA", we were meeting with President and >> Minister of Science and Technology of Republika Srpska, along with the >> Mayor of Banja Luka along with other government officials, and there >> was some press as well. >> >> Many issues were discussed but the main point of this meeting was to >> see what are we going to get from the government in terms of >> sponsorship. First we were planning to get money from Government, >> then we planned to get stuff in compensation, we were basically aiming >> for free Venue and Hotel Bosna. To sum it up, this is what happened >> and what we got: >> >> President alone gave us 50.000€! From Government we got 100.000€ and >> from the City of Banja Luka we got a free Venue (Banski Dvori), we >> even got Student Dormitories as bonus and backup option for >> accomodation, however I'm planning that we stick with the original >> plans and go with hotels as planned. Oh yea, FYI what I just said >> wasn't a Disney movie :) >> >> I think that line itself sums how the meeting went, I've also told >> President what our plans are for future, and that we are working on, >> getting more sponsorship, he even offered his help in getting the >> local sponsorships. I've told him that we are planning to start our >> work on Penta and have the registrations open within the next month. >> And then we'll start acquiring information about all attendees and >> their preferences, and where they'll be getting from to Banja Luka and >> in what times. Mostly beneficial regarding organized transportation >> from airports to the Venue. >> >> We also discussed other matters such as visas, I explained how the >> situation was with some of the attendees. Solution to this problem >> will be that, we'll start a list people that will need visas, those >> people will be granted approval to enter Bosnia on the border, all >> that those attendees need to let us know is where/what country will >> they be entering Bosnia from in case of transit. I suggest we start >> working on making this list ASAP. >> >> After the meeting we also went to the President of our Venue, and we >> told him our requests, we got what we asked for 14 days. There's much >> more to say on what happened, but I think I said the most crucial >> things, please attend next IRC meeting on 8th of March if you want to >> find out more. >> >> *Note* for BiH local team, for members that are new, don't just appear >> on the IRC meeting or mailing lists just like that, introduce yourself >> on our local list firsts before starting discussions or before jumping >> into fire. >> >> Here's even an image for all of you :) >> >> http://twitpic.com/43c759 >> From left to right, NGO DIVA president, Minister of Science and >> Technology, President, me :) >> >> Comments? >> >> P.S: You owe me beer for this one :) >> >> > We owe you more than that! > Really, really great news! :) > > Cheers, > > >> >> Adnan >> ___ >> Debconf-team mailing list >> Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team >> > > > ___ > Debconf11-localteam mailing list > debconf11-localt...@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf11-localteam > > Thanks Adnan.. well to you and politicians on pict. We owe them beer too. (btw I bet beer with mr. Dodik would be fun) -- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Reminder: DebConf12 bid discussion meeting: 1 March, 20 UTC
Reminder: There will be a meeting to discuss the DebConf12 bids at 20 UTC on 1 March, on #debconf-team on irc.debian.org. Everyone interested in where DebConf will happen in 2012 is encouraged to read through the competing bids' documents and attend the meeting. Agenda: - Questions from bid teams about the bid process - Question from bid teams about what others suggest they try to do on any uncertain aspects or potential problems - Questions to bid teams A more formal meeting will be held later (probably on 15 March) to lead to a decision on the DebConf12 venue. Information about the bids can be found at: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Managua http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Brazil/BeloHorizonte You can also ask the bid teams questions on the debconf-team mailing list, outside the meeting, and this is preferable for more complicated questions, or ones which might require research to answer. -- Moray ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Reminder: DebConf12 bid discussion meeting: 1 March, 20 UTC
Reminder: There will be a meeting to discuss the DebConf12 bids at 20 UTC on 1 March, on #debconf-team on irc.debian.org. Everyone interested in where DebConf will happen in 2012 is encouraged to read through the competing bids' documents and attend the meeting. Agenda: - Questions from bid teams about the bid process - Question from bid teams about what others suggest they try to do on any uncertain aspects or potential problems - Questions to bid teams A more formal meeting will be held later (probably on 15 March) to lead to a decision on the DebConf12 venue. Information about the bids can be found at: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Managua http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Brazil/BeloHorizonte You can also ask the bid teams questions on the debconf-team mailing list, outside the meeting, and this is preferable for more complicated questions, or ones which might require research to answer. -- Moray ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] a small question to the dc12 localteams
Hi, http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Managua is currently part of the "General" category, while http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Brazil/BeloHorizonte has no categories set at all yet. Could you please add your pages to the "DebConf12_bids" category just like http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Category:DebConf11_bids ?! Thanks already! cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf11 Sponsorship Team
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > If by "outside of Debian" you mean someone who is not a DD, but a trusted part > of the community, I see no problem. I was invited to be part of sponsorship > team before becoming DD. I meant strictly people that don't have anything to do with Debian, until now! Not to invite them to the sponsors-team per say, but ask them for advice, their help on getting sponsors, but not giving them insight into more "delicate" stuff. I asked because i think this is a rather unconventional idea, but seemed plausible since there's not enough ppl from Debian currently in the sponsors-team, and it will be a huge problem in about a month or so! Oh, and once again, i call on all of you that can help by joining the sponsors-team, to do it now! Thank you in advance for doing so :) Velimir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf12 decision meeting
Hey world, as you might know from past mails there had been a short meeting today where last questions around DebConf12 bids could be dealt with. The major goal to sort out questions the bid teams might have did not need to be kicked as they simply do not have any open question currently. Instead we went through a little introduction of the people involved and then through a set of questions to each of them. But the most important part is that we decided that the next meeting in which we should get a decision which of the 2 bids is going to host DebConf 12 will be on 22nd March 2011, starting at 20:00 UTC in #debconf-team on irc.debian.org (OFTC).[1] Should you be interested in a full log of what we all had to say today, you want to check what meetbot logged in: Minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2011/debconf-team.2011-03-01-20.01.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2011/debconf-team.2011-03-01-20.01.txt Log: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2011/debconf-team.2011-03-01-20.01.log.html [1] (Note that this might move should it happen to be inconvinient for most global team members, but for now it stands. Just follow the list for updates, if there any) -- bye, Joerg look i can't afford to to any more work without becoming a DD pgpdCcOgOmzrh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf12 decision meeting
On 12406 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > But the most important part is that we decided that the next meeting in > which we should get a decision which of the 2 bids is going to host > DebConf 12 will be on > 22nd March 2011, starting at 20:00 UTC > in #debconf-team on irc.debian.org (OFTC).[1] I realized later that I will be at the FTPMaster meeting there. But still, I should be able to make it. The venue has good net connection, and its early in the meetings week, ... Now, we do need people from global team to run this. I admit I havent followed DebConf business much in the last weeks, so I'm out of date if there is already something planned for this meeting. Still, I told (after the meeting today) the bid people what I *guess* will happen: Similar to last years, #debconf-team is locked down, with two of each bid speaking, two or three global team members, and the rest speaks in a discussion channels. Questions get piped from the third global team member. And we work through the agenda. Obviously I might be wrong, but we do have 3 weeks to work out exactly how we want the meeting to go on. No matter what exactly the agenda is (I *assume* similar to previous years?), we do need a modus operandi, and I do volunteer to be one of the global team members to run it. Whoever else? (Also, if there are people who want it badly and dont want me, jump up and take it, then im out :) ) Also, as i said in my original mail: If this date doesnt work for other global team members, it CAN be moved. My own schedule will make it IMPOSSIBLE for me to join any meeting in April, and the .br people asked to not have it on the 15th (due to carneval they cant deal with the hotels until then), so in case its moved into April my above volunteer no longer is valid. :) -- bye, Joerg bignachos: the famous pornview maintainer? Christian: *don't* ask why he's typing so slowly hey, at least i thoroughly test my packages ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
