Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Thanking our sponsors
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 07:19:16AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Pablo Duboue dijo [Sat, May 22, 2010 at 02:31:30PM -0400]: > > A long while somebody in #debconf-team asked if we can have plain > > t-shirts available for sale without sponsor logos. > > > > That is of course a valid question and I would like to share my > > feelings about it: it would be a very bad idea ;-) > > (...) > > Actually, there is precedent for this: At DC6 we printed ~100 shirts > for direct sale (if you have seen the photos, I mean the yellow > shirts, not the white-with-colored-sleeves). They didn't have the > sponsor logos - not because we decided so, but because they were > printed on a rush, on site. However, those shirts were a novel design and unrelated to the official conference shirts IIRC. I was under the assumption that the recent request was about the "official" t-shirts, just without logos. Michael ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:41:27AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Do you see any advantages to having plenaries? Any disadvantages? The only advantage I see for myself is the same as for any talk I would wish to attend if it does not conflict with any other talk I would also wish to attend. So if this plan ensures that everything I want to attend only conflicts with things I do not want to attend, I can see the appeal. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
We've discussed having both an opening and closing plenary, to book-end Debconf and provide general information; welcoming; reportbacks and farewells. In an effort to make sure that these things didn't get lost, and would get properly scheduled, I've submitted penta events for them. I put a rough bullet-point list of what I could quickly come up with that should be included in each, but am wanting others to add to that list, because I'm hoping that these are going to be more-or-less debconf-team collaborative events. The idea isn't for *me* to be the sole person talking at these, although I am happy to coordinate. Rather a number of different people would be called on to give report-backs, distribute prizes, say something, etc. So if you are willing to take on one of those roles, please also add yourself to penta. I've already added dkg (track followup coordination), zack (for RCBC prizes - enquired); adnan (for bosnia - enquired). Swing over to penta and have a look and make some changes: Opening plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 Closing plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 micah -- pgpXQJcJsdadQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
Hi, The Debian Day has been announced in 1st August in some free ad we got in a magazine, so looks like we should have it. (BTW, penta should say this and not only DebConf Day 1?) Traditionally, the Debian Day has been about explaining Debian to interested people and in the local languages(s). This year we have the advantage that the local language is English too, at least the main one. For what I have understand the idea is having a "DebianDay" track in one of the two talks room the 1st August, but we do not know what talks put there, I see 3 options: a) Look for "debian for users" talks. (This used to be the initial day of the debian day) b) Just schedule there the talks we thinkg are oriented for a general audience and not only Debian people. c) Combination of a and b. Look at the general audience talks we got and complete them with some debian for users talks. We should decide soon about this because this affects how many talks we can accept. More suggestions/ideas/comments? Ana ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:49:16AM -0400, micah wrote: > > We've discussed having both an opening and closing plenary, to book-end > Debconf and provide general information; welcoming; reportbacks and > farewells. In an effort to make sure that these things didn't get lost, > and would get properly scheduled, I've submitted penta events for them. > > I put a rough bullet-point list of what I could quickly come up with > that should be included in each, but am wanting others to add to that > list, because I'm hoping that these are going to be more-or-less > debconf-team collaborative events. > > The idea isn't for *me* to be the sole person talking at these, although > I am happy to coordinate. Rather a number of different people would be > called on to give report-backs, distribute prizes, say something, > etc. So if you are willing to take on one of those roles, please also > add yourself to penta. I've already added dkg (track followup > coordination), zack (for RCBC prizes - enquired); adnan (for bosnia - > enquired). > > Swing over to penta and have a look and make some changes: > > Opening plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 > Closing plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 I can't access them. I guess one needs talks or admin privs, to see events other than "Own Events". -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:33PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > Opening plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 > > Closing plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 > > I can't access them. I guess one needs talks or admin privs, to see > events other than "Own Events". There's also the "all events" page; the URL he gave is an admin view, as is everything in /penta/pentabarf. Here you go: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc10/all_events However the public per-event view seems to be dependent on getting the schedule ready, and/or some other export option from the admin UI. - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On 05/28/2010 12:20 PM, Ana Guerrero wrote: > The Debian Day has been announced in 1st August in some free ad we got in a > magazine, so looks like we should have it. (BTW, penta should say this and > not only DebConf Day 1?) indeed, thanks or bringing this up, Ana. Is there a good link to pint people to about Open Day/Debian Day, what it is, and why it is? > I see 3 options: > > a) Look for "debian for users" talks. (This used to be the initial day of the > debian day) > b) Just schedule there the talks we thinkg are oriented for a general audience > and not only Debian people. > c) Combination of a and b. Look at the general audience talks we got and > complete them with some debian for users talks. i like (c). Maybe someone with conference access could add it as a track alongside the others? Or maybe we should consider possible synchronicities between Debian Day and the debian community outreach track? (i'm cc'ing andy oram and frank brokken here, who are co-coordinating the community outreach track). --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 06:20:18PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > For what I have understand the idea is having a "DebianDay" track in one of > the two talks room the 1st August, but we do not know what talks put there, > I see 3 options: One idea from last night: We have a connection (Jonah) with various educational technology here (= Columbia University), some of which are interested in/sympatethic to free software. There are also lots of tech people here who don't really experience the free software community, we could target things to them, too. This is something we'll work on developing... Jonah (cc'ed) may have more comments here. (typing fast since I need to go now, i'll try to elaborate more later) - richard -- | Richard Darst - rkd@ - boltzmann: up 311 days, 14:04 |http://rkd.zgib.net - pgp 0xBD356740 | "Ye shall know the truth and -- the truth shall make you free" ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On 05/28/2010 01:13 PM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: >> On 05/28/2010 12:20 PM, Ana Guerrero wrote: >> >>> The Debian Day has been announced in 1st August in some free ad we got in a >>> magazine, so looks like we should have it. (BTW, penta should say this and >>> not only DebConf Day 1?) > > I think we advertised the URL debianday.org in that ad, which we do own via > Ganneff, but it doesn't currently point anywhere. We are of course free to fix > that when we have somewhere for it to point. (Could even just redirect to a > page on the DC10 website.) putting debianday.org into my web browser currently directs me to http://debconf8.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml It appears to do this with an HTTP 302 redirect. This seems bad. Can we fix it? Is there a better pointer? --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:08:05PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/28/2010 12:20 PM, Ana Guerrero wrote: > > > The Debian Day has been announced in 1st August in some free ad we got in a > > magazine, so looks like we should have it. (BTW, penta should say this and > > not only DebConf Day 1?) > > indeed, thanks or bringing this up, Ana. > > Is there a good link to pint people to about Open Day/Debian Day, what > it is, and why it is? I think we advertised the URL debianday.org in that ad, which we do own via Ganneff, but it doesn't currently point anywhere. We are of course free to fix that when we have somewhere for it to point. (Could even just redirect to a page on the DC10 website.) - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:33PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > Opening plenary: > > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 Closing > > > plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 > > I can't access them. I guess one needs talks or admin privs, to see > > events other than "Own Events". > > There's also the "all events" page; the URL he gave is an admin view, > as is everything in /penta/pentabarf. Here you go: > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc10/all_events Micah was asking for people to contribute to them as well, aiui. But, whatever, I have plenty of other stuff to work on. > However the public per-event view seems to be dependent on getting the > schedule ready, and/or some other export option from the admin UI. yup. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] reply to list only, please?
Can we reply to just the list here when we know someone is on it as is standard practice on other Debian lists? Thanks for your consideration. (and appologies if I've violated this previously myself. I'll try to do better.) -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:16:23PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > putting debianday.org into my web browser currently directs me to > > http://debconf8.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml > > It appears to do this with an HTTP 302 redirect. > > This seems bad. At least, it will be bad when the July Linux Journal magazine comes out. Which, for subscribers, is probably in a matter of week(s), but also probably hasn't happened yet. > Can we fix it? Yes. However: > Is there a better pointer? Not yet. It just takes someone to make a debianday.xhtml page on the DebConf10 website (a simple debconf-data svn commit of some relevant xhtml chunk) and then ask DebConf admin people to update the redirect. (It's possible that only Joerg knows how to do that, but that shouldn't really affect how to contact them.) - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] TALKS: advocating broader relevance
Hi all, At our recent talks team meeting we discussed the talks rating criteria (Relevance, Actuality and Acceptance[0]), and issues that people had with them. I brought up the 'relevance' rating criteria as something that I had some issues with, and I promised at the meeting I would bring it up to the list. Personally, I think Debconf can both get a bit boring if the 'relevance' is applied too strictly, and too de-focused if it is applied to broadly. To make a great conference there should be a balance, and I feel like right now it is being applied *very* strictly, and I'd like to advocate that a broader interpretation be entertained. I think it is good to have things like FTP-masters give a talk, but to exclude things that aren't as closely connected to Debian as a core-infrastructure team threatens to make Debconf too insular and staid. Things that are Debian-related, such as those that are part of the broader social context, *are* actually relevant and very interesting to not only Debian Developers, but the non-Developer FLOSS fanatics who will be coming to the conference. The Free Software community is, if you ask me, *very* relevant to Debian. For example, to cut out the FSF or the FLOSS track from Debconf, when we should be taking advantage of the proximity of their great minds and very close affinity to Debian, would be a great shame if it were done because a very rigid interpretation of "relevance". I am not advocating that the Debconf become a generalized FLOSS conference, there are plenty of these. In fact, I do believe that Debconf should mostly be Debian, but to ignore the fact that Debian is part of a larger context fails to acknowledge our role in the broader FLOSS world that we travel in, work in and support. I'm afraid we are unnecessarily cutting off the rest of this world through the strict application of the 'relevance' definition in the talks rating process. I've been applying a broader interpretation of 'relevance' than I think others have, and have been a little disheartened to see talks that are not so intensely related (such as the FLOSS track) getting very negative scores and comments about how unrelated to Debian they are. If the talks are relevant, the person submitting them are reasonably well-known, then it seems like a good idea to mix it up a little bit. micah 0. This is how talks are being rated: Talks are rated in three categories Each category has five levels, -100, -50, 0, 50, 100. Larger numbers are better. * Relevance - There can be great talks, but some are not appropriate for the main track at DebConf. The Relevance category is a measure of this. * Actuality - speaker seems to know the topic and (as far as i know) is capable of presenting it * Acceptance - How well will attendees like this talk and desire to attend? pgpZBbiUAk9zq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] TALKS: advocating broader relevance
Hi micah--
Thanks for bringing this up!
On 05/28/2010 01:33 PM, micah wrote:
> Personally, I think Debconf can both get a bit boring if the 'relevance'
> is applied too strictly, and too de-focused if it is applied to
> broadly. To make a great conference there should be a balance, and I
> feel like right now it is being applied *very* strictly, and I'd like to
> advocate that a broader interpretation be entertained.
I agree with this sentiment.
> I think it is good to have things like FTP-masters give a talk, but to
> exclude things that aren't as closely connected to Debian as a
> core-infrastructure team threatens to make Debconf too insular and
> staid. Things that are Debian-related, such as those that are part of
> the broader social context, *are* actually relevant and very interesting
> to not only Debian Developers, but the non-Developer FLOSS fanatics who
> will be coming to the conference.
note that this isn't necessarily a dilution of the conference -- it's a
chance to encourage non-debian members of the broader community to
engage with debian and showing how debian can be useful to their work.
This means both upstream ("free software") but downstream ("our users",
both in terms of derivatives and end users) are relevant. This seems
fitting to me, given the priorities we all aim for in the debian social
contract.
> ... the FLOSS track ...
Your e-mail referred a couple times to a "FLOSS track", but i think
there is no current FLOSS track, according to [0]. Do you mean the
Community Outreach track? Or do you mean more broadly talks that are
more about FLOSS than debian? Or is someone proposing a FLOSS track that
i don't know about?
--dkg
[0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Tracks
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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Thanking our sponsors
On Fri, 28 May 2010 14:21:04 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 07:19:16AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Pablo Duboue dijo [Sat, May 22, 2010 at 02:31:30PM -0400]: > > > A long while somebody in #debconf-team asked if we can have plain > > > t-shirts available for sale without sponsor logos. > > > > > > That is of course a valid question and I would like to share my > > > feelings about it: it would be a very bad idea ;-) > > > (...) > > > > Actually, there is precedent for this: At DC6 we printed ~100 shirts > > for direct sale (if you have seen the photos, I mean the yellow > > shirts, not the white-with-colored-sleeves). They didn't have the > > sponsor logos - not because we decided so, but because they were > > printed on a rush, on site. > > However, those shirts were a novel design and unrelated to the official > conference shirts IIRC. I was under the assumption that the recent > request was about the "official" t-shirts, just without logos. Actually this whole thing came from a local-team meeting where I just threw out the idea for consideration. It wasn't a request, I just know that I've heard from other Debconf attendees in the past that they liked the shirt, but would not wear it because of the logos (and I have found myself agreeing with that sentiment). micah pgpCp9AXEEZSw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
On Fri, 28 May 2010 13:23:41 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:33PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > > Opening plenary: > > > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 Closing > > > > plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 > > > I can't access them. I guess one needs talks or admin privs, to see > > > events other than "Own Events". > > > > There's also the "all events" page; the URL he gave is an admin view, > > as is everything in /penta/pentabarf. Here you go: > > > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc10/all_events > > Micah was asking for people to contribute to them as well, aiui. But, > whatever, I have plenty of other stuff to work on. Sorry about this. If you are having trouble contributing to them, please go ahead and let me know what you want to add/remove and I'll do it. micah pgp9pY7uKsAw8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] TALKS: advocating broader relevance
On Fri, 28 May 2010 13:50:27 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Your e-mail referred a couple times to a "FLOSS track", but i think > there is no current FLOSS track, according to [0]. Do you mean the > Community Outreach track? Or do you mean more broadly talks that are > more about FLOSS than debian? Or is someone proposing a FLOSS track that > i don't know about? My mistake. The FLOSS track was mentioned at the talks meeting, and although it was even clarified that such a track did not exist, I managed to fail to stick the clarification in my brain. I meant both the Community Outreach track, but also more broadly talks that are more FLOSS than Debian specific. To be clear, I wasn't proposing a FLOSS track, although I wouldn't be opposed to one either. micah pgp8Y1QTQ4qT7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 13:26, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:16:23PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> putting debianday.org into my web browser currently directs me to >> >> http://debconf8.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml >> >> It appears to do this with an HTTP 302 redirect. >> >> This seems bad. > > At least, it will be bad when the July Linux Journal magazine comes out. > Which, > for subscribers, is probably in a matter of week(s), but also probably hasn't > happened yet. I subscribed for several years and it tended to come very early the month immediately preceding issue date. If that pattern holds then it may reach mailboxes in less than a week. -jeremy ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day ( or Open Day if you prefer )
I can put the ad into some sort of web form in http://debconf10.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml if that can buy us more time to flesh in more details. P. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Clint Adams wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:47:04AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> What do you think the criteria should be? Or would you prefer no >> plenaries at all? > > I don't think I can answer this because I'm not yet sure what the > point of them is. I remember Ana telling me on IRC something on the line "talks that will make nobody go to a competing talk in a parallel session". That's a very strong criteria which /melikes. P. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 03:58:41PM -0400, Pablo Duboue wrote: > I remember Ana telling me on IRC something on the line "talks that > will make nobody go to a competing talk in a parallel session". That's > a very strong criteria which /melikes. Does such a talk exist? ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 08:05:07PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 03:58:41PM -0400, Pablo Duboue wrote: > > I remember Ana telling me on IRC something on the line "talks that > > will make nobody go to a competing talk in a parallel session". That's > > a very strong criteria which /melikes. > > Does such a talk exist? Probably no, but take it as the idealization of a room with 190 attendees while the another room has 5. Ana ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Opening and closing plenaries
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 03:12:57PM -0400, micah anderson wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2010 13:23:41 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki > wrote: > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:33PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > > > Opening plenary: > > > > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/644 Closing > > > > > plenary: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/pentabarf/event/645 > > > > I can't access them. I guess one needs talks or admin privs, to see > > > > events other than "Own Events". > > > There's also the "all events" page; the URL he gave is an admin view, > > > as is everything in /penta/pentabarf. Here you go: > > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc10/all_events > > > > Micah was asking for people to contribute to them as well, aiui. But, > > whatever, I have plenty of other stuff to work on. > > Sorry about this. If you are having trouble contributing to them, please > go ahead and let me know what you want to add/remove and I'll do it. It's not your fault, I don't think. Like many others have been at various times, I was just momentarilly put off by yet another instance the well known permissions complexity. If I get re-motivated to contribute to that, I'll respond in this thread. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
