Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Thanking our sponsors
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Pablo Duboue wrote: > A long while somebody in #debconf-team asked if we can have plain > t-shirts available for sale without sponsor logos. I share that wish. > That is of course a valid question and I would like to share my > feelings about it: it would be a very bad idea ;-) I'd like to reiterate a downside to the sponsor logos mentioned by Clint: http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100521.021314.53087a99.en.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
Moin, On Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Is anyone interested in acting as Scheduler? Does anyone with > experience from scheduling past debconfs have advice to offer? do not schedule anything without giving at least 24h "warning" in advance. never. (and to repeat: I'm not only saying this because of video...) (And if I really need to explain why again, I guess I will do so.) > 1) Plenaries > > There was quite a bit of discussion about having a select few events > scheduled with no other concurrent events. We are calling these > "Plenaries" for the moment. If we decide we want to have them, we might > run into a bit of a space issue, as the larger of our two talks rooms > only seats 200 people. The video team can set up the smaller talk room > as a spillover area with live video, though. > > Do we want to have Plenaries? If so, how often? One per day is the > most anyone has proposed so far. It's not clear that anyone wants to do > away with the concept entirely, though (e.g. zack's Bits from the DPL > seems to have general support as a Plenary). Do other debconf > organizers feel strongly about this? I really like the idea. The ssl thing from dc8 comes to mind as well as other broad topics. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] important bug in penta (data loss)
Hi, If you edit an attendee from the admin interface and this person has reconfirmed attendance already, this selection is undone (it is set as if the attendee has not reconfirmed). I do not know if this has something to do with this option not appearing when editing an attendee from the admin view. Ana ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:01:20AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > There was quite a bit of discussion about having a select few events > scheduled with no other concurrent events. We are calling these > "Plenaries" for the moment. If we decide we want to have them, we might > run into a bit of a space issue, as the larger of our two talks rooms > only seats 200 people. The video team can set up the smaller talk room > as a spillover area with live video, though. > > Do we want to have Plenaries? If so, how often? One per day is the > most anyone has proposed so far. It's not clear that anyone wants to do > away with the concept entirely, though (e.g. zack's Bits from the DPL > seems to have general support as a Plenary). Do other debconf > organizers feel strongly about this? What are the criteria for these "select few"? ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:38:20AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > Is anyone interested in acting as Scheduler? Does anyone with > > experience from scheduling past debconfs have advice to offer? > > do not schedule anything without giving at least 24h "warning" in advance. > never. > > (and to repeat: I'm not only saying this because of video...) > > (And if I really need to explain why again, I guess I will do so.) Hint: As a scheduler in two previous DebConfs I like to stress this point of Holger especially because I'm guilty for violating this rule. It should be clear to the person who is doing this job that it will be under pressure of contradicting opinions when doing the schedule: On one hand there is the "Holger's rule" above and on the other hand there will be people who want to drop in last minute. You have to be strong to refuse their request. To the question: Originally I intended to help in the *Pre*-DebConf scheduling, but if I'm serios I'm currently to busy to do so and thus I will not claim to help and see me failing in doing so later. I CCed Vanessa who was in the schedulers team the last tow years. I guess Ana and Gunnar are reading this list and will rise their voice themselves (or not). One thing which turned out quite practical in the last years was to use GMail calendar as a "shared piece of paper" for scratch scheduling. I think I registered a GMail account for those who do not have one for this purpose. If nobody remembers acocunt name and password and you want to use this method, just ask me and I will seek my old mails about this. Once you are settled with the GMail calendars (each calendar for one room) just move the things to Penta. Good luck Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On 05/27/2010 08:47 AM, Clint Adams wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:01:20AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> There was quite a bit of discussion about having a select few events >> scheduled with no other concurrent events. > > What are the criteria for these "select few"? I would assume the criteria would be something like a combination of: * relevance and interest to a broad swath of attendees * reasonable concision I also imagine selecting for events that cover conference-wide details (welcome, wrap-up/reportback, etc). What do you think the criteria should be? Or would you prefer no plenaries at all? --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:47:04AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > What do you think the criteria should be? Or would you prefer no > plenaries at all? I don't think I can answer this because I'm not yet sure what the point of them is. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On 05/27/2010 11:01 AM, Clint Adams wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:47:04AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> What do you think the criteria should be? Or would you prefer no >> plenaries at all? > > I don't think I can answer this because I'm not yet sure what the > point of them is. One potential advantage of having plenary talks might be a better sense of cohesion for attendees. However, we already have the day trip and the formal dinner as events which i expect will do some of that. And of course, no one is proposing required attendance or anything silly like that. The hacklab will still be open, and some people will no doubt be sleeping or eating elsewhere. Another advantage might be to communicate specific concerns to the broader group, for example if we have a wrap-up session with reportbacks from track coordinators, bosnia/DC11 exhortations, and RCBC victor announcements. Do you see any advantages to having plenaries? Any disadvantages? --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] penta ranking calculation metrics
On 05/22/2010 06:41 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I'm concerned that the rating metric is wrong in penta when reviewers > leave one of the three categories in a "don't know" state. [...] > Any thoughts on this? Am i misunderstanding something? OK, i've looked into this further. edrz pointed me toward the SQL that calculates the scores: sql/views/report/view_report_review.sql The old wiki page [0] description of the overall score was: >> The total rating is the average (arithmetic mean) of these three >> numbers. Of course, this isn't a perfect rating system, but that's why >> we don't use it directly. But that is untrue. I've updated the wiki page [0] to describe the actual calculation: >> We compute a talk's score in each category by taking the average >> (arithmetic mean) of all ratings of the talk in that category. A talk's >> total score is equal to (2*acceptance + actuality + relevance)/4. (so >> acceptance counts twice as much as the other categories). >> >> If no one has rated a talk in a given category (e.g. if everyone has >> left "actuality" unrated), that category's contribution to the total >> score is 0. I actually think this is a reasonable approach, i just didn't understand what it was doing. So i withdraw my earlier objection. To be clear, the nice features of this approach are: * the proportional contributions of the three categories to the overall score are independent of the number of ratings in each category. * if a category has no ratings at all, it is as though everyone rated it zero. If a category has one rating, that is the score used for that category. So if you don't know, you can let people who do know provide information without tainting their ratings. And if no one knows, then there is real ambivalence which is best represented for that category contributing 0 to the final score. * i like that acceptance is rated as much as relevance and actuality put together. hope this makes sense, --dkg [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Pentabarf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] number of talks to be accepted?
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:36:49PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 08:22:33PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > 1. It was also noted that we can always add more rooms and slots later. > > > > The smaller room (414, i think) on the same room as Davis auditorium > ^^^floor > > might be ideal for such events. Typically there are events that people > > think up during the course of the conference. For completeness/canonicality: http://ipa.seas.columbia.edu/space_request/reservations/ On the left has the advertised room capabilities. Aiui, we have all of those spaces except for 520. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] penta ranking calculation metrics
(for tracking purposes, forwarded to pentab...@debconf.org, which goes to the RT instance) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:40:20PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/22/2010 06:41 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > I'm concerned that the rating metric is wrong in penta when reviewers > > leave one of the three categories in a "don't know" state. > [...] > > Any thoughts on this? Am i misunderstanding something? > > OK, i've looked into this further. edrz pointed me toward the SQL that > calculates the scores: sql/views/report/view_report_review.sql > > The old wiki page [0] description of the overall score was: > > >> The total rating is the average (arithmetic mean) of these three > >> numbers. Of course, this isn't a perfect rating system, but that's why > >> we don't use it directly. > > But that is untrue. > > I've updated the wiki page [0] to describe the actual calculation: > > >> We compute a talk's score in each category by taking the average > >> (arithmetic mean) of all ratings of the talk in that category. A talk's > >> total score is equal to (2*acceptance + actuality + relevance)/4. (so > >> acceptance counts twice as much as the other categories). > >> > >> If no one has rated a talk in a given category (e.g. if everyone has > >> left "actuality" unrated), that category's contribution to the total > >> score is 0. > > I actually think this is a reasonable approach, i just didn't understand > what it was doing. So i withdraw my earlier objection. > > To be clear, the nice features of this approach are: > > * the proportional contributions of the three categories to the overall > score are independent of the number of ratings in each category. > > * if a category has no ratings at all, it is as though everyone rated > it zero. If a category has one rating, that is the score used for that > category. So if you don't know, you can let people who do know provide > information without tainting their ratings. And if no one knows, then > there is real ambivalence which is best represented for that category > contributing 0 to the final score. > > * i like that acceptance is rated as much as relevance and actuality > put together. > > hope this makes sense, > > --dkg > > [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Pentabarf > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] penta ranking calculation metrics
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:45:11PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > (for tracking purposes, forwarded to pentab...@debconf.org, which goes > to the RT instance) Unnecessarily, in this case I now see ... since it is cleared up. Sorry for not reading before forwarding. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] penta patch to increase abstract field
forwared to RT
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:34:49PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> attached.
>
> -edrz
> >From 7747fad21e5c5768f7c51ae9d07f133bea00af28 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:31:20 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH] Increase size of event abstract entry field.
>
> ---
> rails/app/views/submission/_event_description.rxml |2 +-
> 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/rails/app/views/submission/_event_description.rxml
> b/rails/app/views/submission/_event_description.rxml
> index 46a4c29..a965ed0 100644
> --- a/rails/app/views/submission/_event_description.rxml
> +++ b/rails/app/views/submission/_event_description.rxml
> @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ xml.div(:id=>'content-description') do
>
>xml.fieldset do
> xml.legend( local('abstract') )
> -xml.textarea( @event.abstract, {:name=>'event[abstract]',:rows=>5} )
> +xml.textarea( @event.abstract, {:name=>'event[abstract]',:rows=>10} )
>end
>
>xml.fieldset do
> --
> 1.7.1
>
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Re: [Debconf-team] important bug in penta (data loss)
forwarded to pentab...@debconf.org for RT On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 01:19:31PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > > Hi, > > If you edit an attendee from the admin interface and this person has > reconfirmed > attendance already, this selection is undone (it is set as if the attendee has > not reconfirmed). I do not know if this has something to do with this option > not appearing when editing an attendee from the admin view. > > Ana ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] dc10 page headers need updating
The headers on the dc10 schedule pages need updating; they still show dc9 headers afaict: https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc10 I have no idea who can fix this, but hopefully a ticket will help keep it on the radar. --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] dc10 page headers need updating
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:19:58PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > The headers on the dc10 schedule pages need updating; they still show > dc9 headers afaict: > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc10 > > I have no idea who can fix this, but hopefully a ticket will help keep > it on the radar. I looked into this earlier. The abstract code for it is commented out. The active code has the logo URL hardcoded. My guess is either a left over from a debugging session or a hack to work around a bug. e...@iobo:~/src/vcs/debconf/pentabarf$ grep -ri -B 1 http://media.debconf.org/dc9/images/dc9sc.png * rails/app/views/layouts/schedule.rxml-#xml.img(:alt=> @conference.title, :src=> conference_image( @conference.conference_id, 128 ) ) rails/app/views/layouts/schedule.rxml: xml.img(:alt=> @conference.title, :src=>'http://media.debconf.org/dc9/images/dc9sc.png') -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] [rt.debconf.org #1557] Re: dc10 page headers need updating
(replying w/ rt # in subject + added note) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 04:14:42PM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:19:58PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > The headers on the dc10 schedule pages need updating; they still show > > dc9 headers afaict: > > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc10 > > I have no idea who can fix this, but hopefully a ticket will help keep > > it on the radar. > > I looked into this earlier. The abstract code for it is commented out. > The active code has the logo URL hardcoded. My guess is either a left > over from a debugging session or a hack to work around a bug. > > e...@iobo:~/src/vcs/debconf/pentabarf$ grep -ri -B 1 > http://media.debconf.org/dc9/images/dc9sc.png * > rails/app/views/layouts/schedule.rxml-#xml.img(:alt=> > @conference.title, :src=> conference_image( @conference.conference_id, 128 ) ) > rails/app/views/layouts/schedule.rxml:xml.img(:alt=> > @conference.title, :src=>'http://media.debconf.org/dc9/images/dc9sc.png') There also seems to be a differnt css theme or something going on there from the rest of dc10 site. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
