Re: [Debconf-discuss] MEX->Oaxtepec group arrangement for Sun 14th 06:00-07:00 local time

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Fri, 05 May 2006 10:53:34 +0200, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 07:54:56AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
>> After discussing together, we agreed that hiring a 7-seat taxi van
>> would be the best for us to travel from the airport to Oaxtepec.
>> 
>
> I've also started http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf6Taxis in case
> anyone wants to use that to help organise everyone :)

Thank Neil, I added myself to that page.

From [1], it seems that quite a lot of people arrive the 12th, at
least 3 with my flight (I cc:ed the two DDs, I hope they don't mind).
So, I'll be happy to share the taxi with others :-D

Aurelien and Lior: we can directly meet at Madrid airport, can't we?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

[1] https://debconf6.debconf.org/comas/general/participants


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Help with dual video on Toshiba A40 (Intel 855GM)

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:02:11 -0500, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 18 May 2006 05:40, Enrico Zini wrote:
>> What video card?  With ATI, this option works for me:
>
> Not ATI but Intel 855GM (as it said in the title ;-)

I had some experience on the old XFree86-4.3, as reported at [1].  I
could have an external CRT and IIRC it worked nicely.

A picture of me is at [2], in case of ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

[1] http://luca.pca.it/projects/asus/m3410c/
[2] https://gallery.debconf.org/Mugshots/CIMG0208


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:39:44 +0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an
>>  unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key
> [...]
>
> Should you not have *signed* a message of this sort?  I certainly
> won't do anything until I know for sure it came from you.  And
> preferably, we need to hear Martin's side as well, before doing
> anything hasty (like either signing keys, or revoking signatures of
> keys).

FYI, Martin's explanation is at [1], which passed on Planet Debian.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

[1] http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.05.24-tr-id-at-keysigning


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

/me playing the devil's advocate instead of Enrico...

On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:32:43 +0200, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> As an additional bit of security, I asked some people to show their
> visa, issued by the Mexican government, or check the Mexican seal
> they got on their point of entrance to Mexico. After all, I trust a
> bit more some of my federal authorities.

As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before
leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and
not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived at Mexico City
airport.  As 2 others DDs with me (Aurelien Jarno and Matthias Klose)
got a seal, I went back to the customs officer asking for the seal and
he answered me I didn't need it.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] key-signing scriptage

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:36:57 +0200, Wookey wrote:
> Did anyone write some handy scriptage to make it easy to list which
> keys I want to sign (perhaps by editing the keysigning file to leave
> in the ones I want) and then just go and do the whole damn lot
> without me having to type my passphrase in about a hundred times,
> using a protocol like that of caff but avoiding lots of repetitive
> questions?

FWIW (and maybe too late), I used a one-line script written by Zack (I
hope he doen't mind I post his script here):

  $ grep -A 1 '\[x\].*\[x\]' ksp-dc6.txt | grep ^pub | cut -c 13-20

This extracts all the key IDs that are marked with an "[x]" for
"Fingerprint OK" and "ID OK".

For the passphrase problem, I think the simple (not the best) solution
is to unset the password before caff and set it again after.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] [TRAVEL] Anyone arriving in Edinburgh by motorbike?

[Luca Capello]

Hello,

I know I should have written this mail before, so blame me :-)

I'm planning to join DebConf7 by a motorbike riding [1] [2] from
Genève (Switzerland).  ViaMichelin [3] shows around 1500km, which
obviously cannot be ride in one day.  Thus, I'll probably stop in
Paris and London to visit some friends.

Here a more detailed plan (which is not yet the final one):

1) leave from Genève on Sunday 10th and arrive in Paris in the evening
   (around 550km)

2) leave from Paris on Tuesday 12th and arrive in London in the
   evening (around 400km, plus the Eurotunnel [4], around 100€ for a
   round trip)

3) leave from London on Friday 15th and finally arrive in Edinburgh in
   the evening (around 650km)

4) mostly the same route will be for the returning trip, leaving
   Edinburgh on Sunday 24th.

Anyone interested?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] I've an Harley-Davidson 883 standard, custom riding, not speed...
[2] http://luca.pca.it/mybike/
[3] http://www.viamichelin.com
[4] http://www.eurotunnel.com


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Call for keys for keysigning in Edinburgh during DebConf7

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:12:48 +0200, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> Philip Hands escribió:
>> Perhaps the only thing that needs to be added to the massed
>> signings is the idea that people that present inadequate ID need to
>> be loudly denounced and ejected from the line, so that to survive
>> the procedure one's ID must match the _most_ exacting standards of
>> those present.
>
> This is a good point. Local attendees usually do not carry passports
> themselves and they usually show only local IDs, driving licenses or
> even school carnets (!): Local people should be encouraged to carry
> official (international, or whatever that means) identifications in
> order to avoid this issue.

I think that it should be clearly stated what kind of IDs are
preferred, at least to avoid problems during the keysigning.

For example, EU citizens aren't required to have a passport to enter
UK and thus they could travel with national IDs only, which I'm not
sure everyone would accept.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Call for keys for keysigning in Edinburgh during DebConf7

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Sun, 06 May 2007 14:30:03 +0200, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> As part of the 8th Debian Conference in Edinburgh, Scotland, there
> will be OpenPGP (pgp/gpg) keysignings. If you intend to participate
> in the DebConf7 keysignings, please send your ascii armored public
> key as explained at [0] not later than Saturday 9th of June, 2007
> (UTC).
>
> [0] https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Keysigning

Yesterday I followed the wiki to send my OpenPGP key [1], but it seems
that [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't work.

Thus, I wrote to Anibal (attached the mail), but it seems also that
I'm not allowed to send mail to him:

  Jun  9 10:49:10 dione qmail: 1181378950.310783 starting delivery
   63402: msg 4243707 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Jun  9 10:49:12 dione qmail: 1181378952.811366 delivery 63402:
   deferral:
   70.103.162.29_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:
_451-195.32.84.213_is_not_yet_authorized_to_deliver_mail_
from_<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>_to/451_<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>./
Giving_up_on_70.103.162.29./

As I explained in my mail to Anibal, except for reverse-DNS I don't
have any problem to send mail to other people/lists/$WHATEVER.

Thus, where's the problem and how can I have my place in the
keysigning party [2]?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] the new one 9DDB992B, as the old one is lost as of 

http://albatross.madduck.net/pipermail/debian-unizh/2007-February/000842.html
[2] I know I'm a bit on late, but when I sent my OpenPGP key I was
still on time ;-)

--- Begin Message ---
Hi Anibal!

Yesterday evening I sent my PGP key, using the command described in
the wiki [1]:

  gpg --armor --export-options export-clean,export-minimal \
--export 9DDB992B  | gpg --clearsign | \
mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The mail has been sent from my sid:

  Jun  8 19:32:42 gismo postfix/pickup[3594]: 487DA7F43BE: uid=1000
   from=
  Jun  8 19:32:42 gismo postfix/cleanup[4368]: 487DA7F43BE:
   message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Jun  8 19:32:42 gismo postfix/qmgr[3595]: 487DA7F43BE:
   from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=3473, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
  Jun  8 19:32:45 gismo postfix/smtp[4424]: 487DA7F43BE:
   to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10025,
   delay=3, delays=0.04/0.21/2.6/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok
   1181324010 qp 21472)
  Jun  8 19:32:45 gismo postfix/qmgr[3595]: 487DA7F43BE: removed

But my smarthost could not deliver the mail:

  Jun  8 19:33:30 dione qmail: 1181324010.610667 starting delivery
   53089: msg 4243598 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Jun  8 19:33:30 dione qmail: 1181324010.693462 delivery 53089:
   deferral:
   Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/

Except for reverse-DNS, my smarthost works with no problem.  Should I
resent the mail elsewhere?

Best,
Luca 

Footnotes: 
[1] https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Keysigning
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Call for keys for keysigning in Edinburgh during DebConf7

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:31:33 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> Thus, I wrote to Anibal (attached the mail), but it seems also that
> I'm not allowed to send mail to him:

Nevermind, it seems that after some retries the mail was accepted.

Sorry for the noise.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca
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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf8 bus from EZE to MDQ (was Re: [Debconf-announce] DebConf8 reconfirmation deadline)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:42:14 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> We are now starting the reconfirmation period for DebConf8.

While reconfirming my attendance at DebConf8, I noticed that I haven't
yet reserved the bus from EZE to MDQ, as suggested at [1]:

  There are 8 daily regular trips leaving from Ezeiza airport to Mar del
  Plata offered by Manuel Tienda Leon for around 37€ round-trip, and it
  lasts about 6 hours.
  [...]
  It is posible to make a reservation sending a mail to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This because on the travel registration page there's the following text:

  Arrival

  I will be taking the bus from BA to Mar Del Plata.  (y/n)

  We are asking this question so that we can make sure that the company
  which runs the buses will have enough available seats (including
  running extra buses if necessary). It will still be your
  responsibility to arrange your own bus tickets.

The first time I read it as "there'll be enough seats on the buses, but
you need to pay the ticket by yourself before taking the bus".

Now that I read it again, it sounds different as in "there'll be enough
seats on the buses, but you need to *reserve* and pay the ticket by
yourself before taking the bus".

Which is the correct reading for that?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://debconf8.debconf.org/getting_mdq.xhtml.en


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf8 bus from EZE to MDQ

[Luca Capello]

¡Hola Margarita!

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:07:34 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> We want to rent bigger buses and arrange with the bus company so that there
> are more seats for the days when more people come.  If we do this, you'd
> get a better price, and no need to reserve. However, this hasn't been done
> yet, we expect to deal with it when we know who's coming on what day (i.e.
> in about two weeks).
>
> I guess we'll be mailing people about their need to reserve or not reserve
> after we've dealt with that.

Thank you very much for the clairification :-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Sauna at DebConf8? (was Re: Bits from the DPL)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:56:59 +0200, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Does anybody know if we can find sauna in Argentina? :-)

I'm in in case someone would organise it!

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf8 bus from EZE to MDQ

[Luca Capello]

¡Hola Margarita!

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:07:34 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> We want to rent bigger buses and arrange with the bus company so that there
> are more seats for the days when more people come.  If we do this, you'd
> get a better price, and no need to reserve. However, this hasn't been done
> yet, we expect to deal with it when we know who's coming on what day (i.e.
> in about two weeks).
>
> I guess we'll be mailing people about their need to reserve or not reserve
> after we've dealt with that.

Any news on that?  FWIW, the coordination page on the Wiki [1] dosn't
have other informations either.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/EZE-MDQ_bus


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf8 bus from EZE to MDQ

[Luca Capello]

Hi James!

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:40:37 +0200, James Vega wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:49:43PM +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
>> I still haven't seen an answer to Luca's initial question; should we
>> book the bus ourselves or is there some benefit to waiting for a group
>> booking?
>
> I tried using the form on their website to request a reservation but it
> didn't work so I emailed their reservas email address and have yet to
> receive a response.

FWIW, I booked my seat last Monday and they confirmed it the very same
day.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] debian.ch T-Shirts available

[Luca Capello]

Hello!

debian.ch created some T-Shirts with two different logos, you can see
them in action at [1].

I brought 30 of them here at DebConf8, 15 for each logo, but no size S,
sorry.  Thus, if anyone is interested, please look for me [2].  Prices
are $50 for .ar people and $70 for all the rest.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://people.debian.org/~gismo/debian.ch_T-Shirts/
[2] Debian kilt, long brown hair and mustache :-)


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] debian.ch T-Shirts available

[Luca Capello]

Hi Holger!

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:07:53 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Monday 11 August 2008 11:42, Luca Capello wrote:
>> I brought 30 of them here at DebConf8, 15 for each logo, but no size
>> S, sorry.  Thus, if anyone is interested, please look for me [2].
>> Prices are $50 for .ar people and $70 for all the rest.
>
> Is that pesos or USD?

Argentinian pesos, sorry for the confusion.

FWIW, XL T-Shirts are sold out.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] OpenPGP cards available as well as a CHIPDRIVE SIM Card Stick

[Luca Capello]

Hi all!

I know I'm a bit late (since I was here at DebCamp, too), but I was
captured by the Openmoko FreeRunner, sorry.

I brought something like 7/8 OpenPGP cards [1] together with a CHIPDRIVE
SIM Card Stick [2] (which is a resold version of the SCM SCR3320 [3]).
Both the card and the reader works flawlessly on Debian (at least with
GnuPG-1.4.x), but I haven't tested them with any complex setup (lack of
time...).

If anyone is interested in buying either one or more cards or the
reader, please look for me [4].

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://www.g10code.com/p-card.html
[2] 
http://www.chipdrive.de/cgi-bin/edcstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=Produkt;02_L%F6sungen;02_SIMCardStick
[3] http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=6
[4] Debian kilt, long brown hair and mustache :-)


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] OpenPGP cards available as well as a CHIPDRIVE SIM Card Stick

[Luca Capello]

Hi all!

Maybe a bit off-topic, but since I don't want to repeat and repeat and
repeat...

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:12:57 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> I brought something like 7/8 OpenPGP cards [1] together with a
> CHIPDRIVE SIM Card Stick [2] (which is a resold version of the SCM
> SCR3320 [3]).
[...]
> If anyone is interested in buying either one or more cards or the
> reader, please look for me [4].

Since it seems that quite a lot of people were/are interested, I can buy
again some and then send them to the people interested.  And the same
could happen for the readers, at least if you don't want to spend time
to look for them.

So, if anyone is interested, he should get in contact with me: I don't
know the best way to manage this, either through the Debian Wiki (is
this kind of use allowed?) or any other mailing list (debian-curiosa?).

I performed all my tests using the PC/SC standard [1] through pcscd [2].
A list of all the supported readers is available at [3].  Other
accessing methods are available (e.g. OpenCT [4]), but I've never tested
them.

Now, more information about the cards.  They are in full credit card
size.  They can work with any SIM-size reader, but you need to cut them.
I already did it several times and I now have a template to do it, so I
can do it for you.  You'll end up with a SIM-size card *and* the
template, which means that you can still use the card with a full-size
reader :-)

Their price can be checked on kernel concepts website [5]: since I
bought 10 of them, the price was around €14.  I guess that the price
should go down even further for bigger purchase numbers.

About how to use the card with GnuPG, please read the documents at [6]
and the GnuPG Smartcard HowTo at [7].  If you don't understand something
or have any question, feel free to write me and I'll help you as much as
I can.  My biggest recommandations are to use the card with subkeys and
to generate the encryption subkey on a desktop machine, making a backup
of it and then moving it to the card [8].

And now for the readers!

I tested two full-size PCMCIA models (Gemplus/Gemalto [9] and Omnikey
[10]): while they both worked, the former seems to give some problems
[11] and the second needs a binary-only handler from upstream [12], but
it seems that GnuPG2 should support it internally [13].

I tested three USB readers, all of them working without out of the box
with pcscd.  The SCM SCR335 [14] (also known as CHIPDRIVE micro pro
[15]) is a full-size reader, it costs €30 from kernel concepts [5] and
it's internally supported by GnuPG [13].  As SIM-size readers, there are
the SCM SCR3320 [16] (or CHIPDRIVE SIM Card Stick [17]) and the Omnikey
CardMan 6121 USB [18].  The latter exists also coupled with a flash
memory, produced by Eutron (sorry, flash required [19]).

I think it's enough.  I now realised that it could have been a good talk
for a BoF, next time!

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/SC
[2] http://packages.debian.org/pcscd
[3] 
[4] http://packages.debian.org/openct
[5] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/en/shop/products/security.shtml
[6] http://www.fsfe.org/en/card/
[7] http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/card-howto/en/smartcard-howto.html
[8] this will let you decrypt your mail even if the card will break,
will be lost or stolen
[9] http://www.gemalto.com/products/pc_card/
[10] http://www.omnikey.com/?id=3&tx_okprod_pi1[product]=27
[11] http://bugs.debian.org/459827
[12] http://packages.debian.org/sid/pcsc-omnikey
[13] http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/card-howto/en/ch02s02.html#id2519120
[14] http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=11
[15] 
http://www.chipdrive.de/cgi-bin/edcstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=P208199
[16] http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=6
[17] 
http://www.chipdrive.de/cgi-bin/edcstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=Produkt;02_L%F6sungen;02_SIMCardStick
[18] http://www.omnikey.com/?id=products&tx_okprod_pi1[product]=29
[19] http://www.eutron.it


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] OpenPGP cards available as well as a CHIPDRIVE SIM Card Stick

[Luca Capello]

Hi all!

A short update...

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:25:18 +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 04:01 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
>> Since it seems that quite a lot of people were/are interested, I can buy
>> again some and then send them to the people interested.  And the same
>> could happen for the readers, at least if you don't want to spend time
>> to look for them.
>> 
>> So, if anyone is interested, he should get in contact with me: I don't
>> know the best way to manage this, either through the Debian Wiki (is
>> this kind of use allowed?)
>
> Short answer : If you find it appropriate, then it's probably
> appropriate to have it on the wiki.

And now it's there:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP
  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP/Buying
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/09/msg00139.html

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Registration for DebConf9 opened

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:57:27 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Registration for DebConf9 opened
> 
>
> Registration is now open for DebConf9, which will take place in Cáceres,
> Extremadura from Friday 24 to Thursday 30 July 2009.
>
> To register follow one of the processes outlined below:
>
> - If you registered for last year's conference, DebConf8, go to
> https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc9/person to login.

I would seem a bit "oldish", but it seems that because of JavaScript I
cannot use W3M/Emacs to register to DebConf9: the major problem is that
the buttons are not clickable.  While this is a minor pain for things
like "Add [language|im adresss|phone number|link]", the fact that I
cannot save what I have entered means that I need to re-enter everything
on a JavaScript-enabled browser.

NB, this is not a rant.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Motorbike trip to Cáceres

[Luca Capello]

Hi all!

Some of you maybe remember that for DebConf7 I travelled from Genève to
Edimburgh with my motorbike: because of the very beautiful weather I
had, it was mostly a wet journey.

For this year DebConf I will do the same and there are already two
differences WRT DebConf7: first, the weather should not be so rainy (I
hope) and, second, I will not travel alone, since after having been one
of the maybe-next-DPL "sponsors", I will also be Zack's bodyguard on the
long way to Cáceres :-)

Zack and me have not yet finished to plan the trip and we still have two
major open points:

- dates

  We slightly agreed that a good option would be to arrive at Cáceres
  on Saturday, July 18th and then to leave at most on Friday, July 31th.

  Since Zack needs to be in Italy on Sunday, Aug 2nd, the departure will
  be at most on Friday, July 31th.

- route

  For the departure trip, depending on Zack's motorbike location
  (Bologna, Italy, or MarParis, France), we will meet either something
  near Marseille or Bordeau, respectively.

  Tre trip distance is around 2000km, which in no way can be completed
  in a single day.  We have not discussed this in details, but a good
  option would be three stops somewhere on the road.

  Again, given Zack's "obligations" for the return trip, we will head
  towards South France after DebConf9.

Is anyone else interested?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] About selling OpenPGP cards in debconf9

[Luca Capello]

Hi Pablo!

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:44:29 +0200, Pablo Castellano wrote:
> I can vaguely remember having read a message in this list (or maybe
> debconf-team?) about selling OpenPGP smartcards during DebConf9.
>
> I couldn't find that message but I have found that they were sold in
> DebConf8 and I wanted to know if we could buy them again in Cáceres as
> well.

AFAIK no one has talked about OpenPGP cards since DebConf8, where I had
some spare OpenPGP cards (with reader) to sell:

  http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20080812.211257.54e21495.en.html

> Will someone bring them? To ease it, we could begin a page in the wiki
> to know how many people are interested.

Please use the existing pages on the Debian Wiki:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP
  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP/Buying

I still have 5 of them at home (together with one SCM SCR335), but they
are version 1.x, which supports only SHA-1 and RIPEMD160:

  http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48#comment_8

I, for myself, will buy a 2.0 card, but it seems they will be available
From Kernel Concepts by July 1st, which leaves a too short period before
my departure to DebConf9.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Neo Freerunner debconfpack last days.

[Luca Capello]

Hi David!

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:40:26 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> Today was the last day to collect the preoders of the special offer of
> Neo FreeRunner to the Debconf attendants, I will extend it until this
> Friday 3th July, because last days seems to be more activity.

I asked yesterday via the Tuxbrain contact form, but I think it could be
useful for other as well, thus asking here again.

I have a Tuxbrain account for the "normal" shop, and it seems that this
account does not work for the DebConf shop: is it normal?  I would
prefer not to be obliged to create yet another account (moreover for the
same shop), but it seems this is the only option.  Am I right?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Openmoko Buzz Fix Party ticket.

[Luca Capello]

Hi David!

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:54:02 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> Some various has asked me why the need of registration for the ticket
> of the Buzz fix party,
> There are 2 main reasons,
> The first one is because the fix is not instantaneous,

Good point.

> The second is I have to report back the serial numbers and country  of
> the repaired phones to Openmoko Inc,  having this info will save to
> have to take it by hand or at least we will have a printed grid to
> take note of that serial number .

I do not understand this one.  What has Openmoko Inc. to do here?  I
mean, AFAIK there was no official announcement from Openmoko Inc. about
fixing every smartphone they have sold, thus I do not see why they want
the S/N of the repaired devices.

This raises another question: I did not buy my FR from Tuxbrain, but
From Pulster.de (one year ago it was more or less the only European
distributor), thus my warranty "depends" on Pulster.de.  However, if
Openmoko Inc. wants to know that my device has been repaired for the
buzz problem, does this mean that my warranty is still valid?

NB, I do not care about my warranty and I want a buzz fixed smartphone
instead ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Openmoko Buzz Fix Party ticket.

[Luca Capello]

Hi David!

Please do not Cc: me, I read the list.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:53:18 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>>> The second is I have to report back the serial numbers and country  of
>>> the repaired phones to Openmoko Inc,
[...]
>> I do not understand this one.
[...]
> Openmoko supports those fix parties
[...]
> (again just a bit of control to keep things in order)

Thank you for the detailed explanation, which I think should have been
part of the announcement, never mind.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Various t-Shirts and foilstickers from debian.ch

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

debian.ch produces some Debian merchandise as you can see at:

  http://debian.ch/merchandise/

Around 40 `apt-get install T-Shirts` and 16 debian.ch ones are on sale
at the Front Desk here in Cáceres:

  http://debconf9.debconf.org/venue.xhtml

Prices are 15EUR for each T-Shirt (independently of the model and size)
and 1.5EUR, 3EUR or 7EUR for the small, medium and big foilstickers,
respectively.

Obviously, the extra money will be either donated back to Debian or used
for Debian-related activity in Switzerland and in the Principality of
Liechtenstein.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Various FSFE and OpenPGP stuff on sale

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

At DebConf8 I brought some FSFE merchandise and OpenPGP stuff:

  http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20080812.211257.54e21495.en.html

This year I brought again similar stuff, more precisely:

- 3 FSFE keychains and pins

- 1 SCM SCR335 reader and 5 OpenPGP smartcards, version 1.0

http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20090623.191843.8767045f.en.html

If anyone is interested, please contact me: I hang around with a Debian
kilt and have a cluster of Openmoko smartphones...

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Travelling from NY to Boston after DebConf10, August 8th

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

After DebConf10, on August 8th, I will move to Boston to visit some
other friends of mine there.

I do not have any specific plan yet and I am considering any travelling
option (car, bus, train, flight).  Thus, if someone is interested and
would like to share the journey, feel free to contact me!

BTW, since I have just discovered that some fellows will attend a rocket
launch nearby NY the week-end after DebConf10, I am considering watching
this event as well (I have zero knowledge about rockets):

  http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/RocketLaunch

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Travelling from Montréal to NY f or DebCamp10, July 26th

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

After having finally decided to attend DebConf10, I have planned to
arrived in NY for DebCamp on July 26th from Montréal (Canada), since I
am taking the opportunity to visit other friends of mine there.

I do not have any specific plan yet and I am considering any travelling
option (car, bus, train, flight).  Thus, if someone is interested and
would like to share the journey, feel free to contact me!

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Travelling from Montréal to NY f or DebCamp10, July 26th

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:34:37 +0200, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:46:06PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
>> After having finally decided to attend DebConf10, I have planned to
>> arrived in NY for DebCamp on July 26th from Montréal (Canada), since I
>> am taking the opportunity to visit other friends of mine there.
>> 
>> I do not have any specific plan yet and I am considering any travelling
>> option (car, bus, train, flight).  Thus, if someone is interested and
>> would like to share the journey, feel free to contact me!
>
> +2
>
> My wife Tássia and I will be travelling from Montréal to NYC before Debcamp.
> Let's keep in touch.

Given that the reconfirmation deadline is June 10th [1], we should
define our plan for the Montréal-NY travel.

Gaudenz, Tiago, I guess we should discuss it in private.  If anyone is
interested, please show up *now*.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Footnotes: 
[1] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100525.175712.4b6eb245.en.html


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[Debconf-discuss] Debian umbrellas for DebConf10: order *now*!

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

As Planet Debian readers already know, Adrian von Bidder produced a very
nice Debian umbrella:

  http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/80-Yay!-Debian-Logo!.html

Given that someone already showed interest for them to be available at
DebConf10 as well, I will bring some (together with other debian.ch
merchandise ).  However, given that I
will be short on luggage space, I could probably bring no more than
10-15 of them.

This is why the umbrella selling policy for DebConf10 is "first arrived,
first served", so interested people should sign up ASAP (orders close on
June 27th) on the DebConf wiki (and also send me an email, please):

  http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/DebianUmbrella

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian umbrellas for DebConf10: order *now*!

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:43:54 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> As Planet Debian readers already know, Adrian von Bidder produced a very
> nice Debian umbrella:
>
>   http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/80-Yay!-Debian-Logo!.html
>
> Given that someone already showed interest for them to be available at
> DebConf10 as well, I will bring some (together with other debian.ch
> merchandise <http://debian.ch/merchandise/>).  However, given that I
> will be short on luggage space, I could probably bring no more than
> 10-15 of them.

Since someone privately asked about it, here a special note.

My idea behind bringing the umbrellas to DebConf10 is mostly for those
people who live very far away from Switzerland and thus it could be
quite expensive to send the umbrella by mail.  I, for myself, would be
quite upset if an EU citizen will get an umbrella at DebConf10 and
because of that a South American fellow will be left without.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian umbrellas for DebConf10: order *now*!

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:43:54 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> This is why the umbrella selling policy for DebConf10 is "first arrived,
> first served", so interested people should sign up ASAP (orders close on
> June 27th) on the DebConf wiki (and also send me an email, please):
>
>   http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/DebianUmbrella

Given that Giacomo (Cate) will bring another box with 12 umbrellas and
until now only 13 pieces were ordered, there will be spare umbrellas for
everyone not subscribed.  Obviously, if you are sure you want one,
please put your name on the wiki page above.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there or, better, here :-)

As usual, debian.ch brought some merchandise (T-Shirts, umbrellas and
foilstickers) to DebConf10:

http://debian.ch/merchandise/
http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100618.114343.54b5236d.en.html

Since together with Debian-UK it seems that debian.ch is the other major
entity who produce Debian merchandise, during the first night in NYC I
thought that maybe a merchandise BoF could be a good thing, also to let
people attending conferences/meetings/whatever how to get merchandise.

Moreover, since debian.ch will also produce quite soon a Debian (not
debian.ch) Swiss army knife (Victorinox, not Wenger), it would be a good
idea to discuss about which type of knife people would prefer:

http://lists.debian.ch/commun...@lists.debian.ch/2010/msg1.html

I set the R-T to debconf-discuss@ (the Evolution custom header insertion
seems not to work), thus please check if you need to reply to other
addresses.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] cdn.debian.net pointing at the DebConf10 local mirror?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

My default repository is cdn.debian.net:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/02/msg00700.html

It seems that more and more people are using it and d-i would like to
use it as well:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2010/05/msg00015.html

Would it be possible to add a local DNS entry for cdn.debian.net to
resolve to the local mirror instead of mirrors1.kernel.org
(149.20.20.135), as it does now?  I would prefer not to change my APT
sources :-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:52 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> As far as the "Merchandise BoF" goes, I would love to participate in the
> brainstorming, but I am only going to be there Saturday, Sunday and most
> of Monday.  Sometime on Saturday afternoon would be good for me, or
> Monday mid-day.

Saturday is obviously not anymore available and anyway I, for myself,
will be in Central Park celebrating the Swiss National Day (an occasion
to meet some friends of mine):

  http://swisssociety.com/events/139/view_detail.html

Monday seems to be available: for what is "other locations" there should
be no problem for the time slot, while if we want a room, the "414
Shapiro" room is available only between 

  http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/day_2010-08-02.en.html

I just submitted an event in Penta and I will discuss tomorrow with
DebConf10's organizers about the possible schedule.  As far as I know,
the possible participants are maddog, Felipe and myself here in NYC and
maybe Axel via IRC.  If anyone else is interested, please let me know
(directly or via mail) in case we will organize a sort of informal (and
thus not scheduled) BoF.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 05:09 -0400, Luca Capello wrote:
> Monday seems to be available: for what is "other locations" there should
> be no problem for the time slot, while if we want a room, the "414
> Shapiro" room is available only between 
> 
>   http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/day_2010-08-02.en.html
> 
> I just submitted an event in Penta and I will discuss tomorrow with
> DebConf10's organizers about the possible schedule.

Done, scheduled for Monday morning, 10:30-11:30 (AM, of course):

  http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/683.en.html

The description contains a list of all merchandise we have/had, i.e.:

- backpacks
Debian Brasil
- foilstickers
Alexander Wirt
Debian Brasil
debian.ch
- mugs
Debian Brasil
- pins
Debian Brasil
debian.ch
- Swiss Army knife (design/model to be decided)
debian.ch
- T-Shirts
Alexander Wirt
Debian Brasil
debian.ch
Debian UK
Joost van Baal
- umbrellas
Adrian Von Bidder (maybe soon debian.ch)
- wine
Anto Recio & Holger Levsen

I have also bcc:ed all the people interested in or that have/had
merchandise, thus Adrian, Alexander, Anto, Axel, Holger, Felipe,
Gaudenz, maddog, Joost van Baal and Steve McIntyre.  I will plan to do
the same sometime after the BoF while sending the final report, so
please write me if you are not interested.

BTW, I have created a wiki page for merchandise and linked it from the
DebianEventsHowto page, feel free to update it/them:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise
  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsHowto

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian umbrellas for DebConf10: order *now*!

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 18:18 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:43:54 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> > This is why the umbrella selling policy for DebConf10 is "first arrived,
> > first served", so interested people should sign up ASAP (orders close on
> > June 27th) on the DebConf wiki (and also send me an email, please):
> >
> >   http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/DebianUmbrella
> 
> Given that Giacomo (Cate) will bring another box with 12 umbrellas and
> until now only 13 pieces were ordered, there will be spare umbrellas for
> everyone not subscribed.  Obviously, if you are sure you want one,
> please put your name on the wiki page above.

Giacomo and me are now ready to sell the umbrellas.  To cover customs
taxes, the price has been set to 30USD.

According to your position in the order list, you should either look for
Giacomo or myself, please check the wiki page.  People who have
preordered them have been bcc:ed with this mail, too.  We still have 7
unclaimed umbrellas, thus if you want one just look for me (again "first
arrived, first served" policy).

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: (reminder) how about participate to a local 5K race during DebConf?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 15:46 -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > So, recently, I got in touch with a local group of runners who happen
> > to organize a 5K (K stands for kilometers, not for thousands of
> > dollars in prizes) race every other Thursday not too far from the
> > DebConf venue. And, guess what? They'll have one on Aug 5th, so during
> > DebConf.
[...]
> I met with the VCTC folks this morning and they're enthusiast about
> having some of us participating to their race. One can see this as a
> nice way to do some free software advocacy and have opportunities to
> talk about Debian..:-)
> 
> Running in kilt is even possible...and don't be scared: I noticed this
> morning that all kind of runners are over there, so even occasionnal
> runners can easily participate.

Well, in that case I would definitively like to participate... if the
DPL will run in kilt together with us!  Zack, I guess that after being a
pitcher the evening before, running would be even better.  And do not
worry, I am sure someone other from the Debian "cheerleaders" would join
us to share this pleasure.

> I hope that this will not conflict with another DC10 event (I'm
> fearing the group photo) as we'll have to leave no later than 17:45
> (sorry5:45pm). I apologize in advance to last speakers for that
> day whose talks could be missing some of us.

DCschedule does not show any event after 18:00 for that day, can we add
this event in Penta as well?

  http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/day_2010-08-05.en.html

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Columbia Debian mirror

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 10:40 -0400, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Hector Oron  wrote:
> > IIRC while Debconf at Extremadura all debian.org DNS were hijacked and 
> > pointed to a local mirror. Thanks to DSA.
> > Would it be useful and/or possible to repeat this setup?
> 
> I overheard someone mention that we're not using our own DNS servers
> this year so that isn't possible.
> 
> Hopefully one day ftp.debian.org will be like cdn.debian.net and we
> can all just use that.

The problem is the unusual Columbia repository path:

http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100729.161958.50a8b2bc.en.html

I still consider this change a worth request (which I did, without
success, last year for DebConf9 as well), especially to spread
cdn.debian.net use.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Columbia Debian mirror

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:36 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 04:24:03PM -0400, Luca Capello wrote:
> > The problem is the unusual Columbia repository path:
> > 
> > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100729.161958.50a8b2bc.en.html
> > 
> > I still consider this change a worth request (which I did, without
> > success, last year for DebConf9 as well), especially to spread
> > cdn.debian.net use.
> 
> They now seem to support /debian too, in addition to their unusual one.
> Presumably that's the result of one of the many requests Debian has made to
> them recently in relation to DC10.

Jimmy, you made my day, thank you!

Araki-san, would it be possible to add the Columbia University mirror to
cdn.debian.net, please?

For the debian-mirrors@ people, maybe the Columbia mirror information on
<http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list> should be updated as well.

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] NEEDED: Monetary Transactions Coordinator

[Luca Capello]

Hi Jimmy!

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:26 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> In addition to the MANY IMPORTANT VOLUNTEER NEEDS (*hint hint*) Biella
> has been emailing about, I need to delegate to someone the coordination
> of monetary transactions at the front desk. This will primarily involve
> selling food tickets to pay-per-meal attendees, as well as things like
> extra t-shirts and some merchandise like stickers; giving out quarters
> for laundry use in exchange for $1 bills and coins; and accepting
> donations for DebConf, Debian, and SPI.

I can do that for a while, giving that anyway I have debian.ch
merchandise and I will coordinate the Debian Merchandise BoF:

  http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/683.en.html

However, I do not want to be there all the time, if possible, given also
that I would like to attend some events and have to meet other people in
NYC.  If that is possible, feel free to drop me a mail.

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi Alexander!

No need to Cc: me, I read the list, thank you.  Please let me know if it
is the same for you :-)

BTW1, I set Reply-To: to the debconf-discuss@ mailing list, to drop
commun...@lists.debian.ch from the loop, since I do not think it is at
this point useful (and to keep the discussion in a single place).

BTW2, should this be discussed in a more general mailing list?  I have
just realized that there is no general debian-events@ mailing list, so I
do not really know a better place...

BTW3, I cc:ed the official Debian merchandise email address, sorry to
not have done this before.

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 21:34 +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Luca Capello schrieb am Saturday, den 31. July 2010:
> > The description contains a list of all merchandise we have/had, i.e.:
> > 
> > - backpacks
> > Debian Brasil
> > - foilstickers
> > Alexander Wirt
> > Debian Brasil
> > debian.ch
> > - mugs
> > Debian Brasil
>   Alexander Wirt
> > - pins
> > Debian Brasil
> > debian.ch
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Frozen Mugs
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Caps 
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Frisbees 
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Sweatshirts
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Long Sleeves
>   Alexander Wirt

Thank you for the full list, I updated the wiki page.

I have also created a DebConf10-specific wiki page for stuff to be
discussed during the BoF:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise/BoFDebConf10

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 22:03 -0500, Michael Shuler wrote:
> I volunteered to add an AdHoc Session and I'm thinking about the time
> slot just prior to the main KSP session on Friday evening - opinions?
> (it's a related topic and after looking through the rest of the
> schedule, I don't wish to step on any other talks)

I have (sort of) experience, especially with the OpenPGP smartcard
, but I would not say I am an
expert at all, also given that in the past I lost my key while playing
with hdparm .

Friday evening I will not be there, instead I will try to get shame on
me while running in kilt around NYC:

http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100731.201646.752ce5d1.en.html

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: (reminder) how about participate to a local 5K race during DebConf?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 12:37 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> I just renamed Penta event 533 ("DebConf Runs in Central Park") to
> "DebConf Runs in Van Cortland Park", and put it on the schedule as
> starting at 17:45.  it should show up in the public schedule shortly.

Thank you very much, Daniel.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] B and H Electronics

[Luca Capello]

Hi Biella!

On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 11:23 -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
> I am going to go to B and H Electronics [1] either today or tomorrow
> at some point in the afternoon to buy something.

Thank you for the news, please let me know when you plan to go, any time
will be fine for me, or I will *do* be fine ;-)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] B and H Electronics

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 16:08 -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Luca Capello  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 11:23 -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
> >> I am going to go to B and H Electronics [1] either today or tomorrow
> >> at some point in the afternoon to buy something.
> >
> > Thank you for the news, please let me know when you plan to go, any time
> > will be fine for me, or I will *do* be fine ;-)

> Super. Does 2 PM work for folks tomorrow? We can meet at the main
> gates of 116th and Broadway.

Perfect for me.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

These is a report of the Merchandise BoF at DebConf10:

  http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/683.en.html
  http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise/BoFDebConf10

First of all, thank you to anyone who attended the BoF, it was not only
interested, but also fun to discuss about the different ideas people had
to promote Debian through merchandise.

On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 12:29 -0400, Luca Capello wrote: 
> BTW2, should this be discussed in a more general mailing list?  I have
> just realized that there is no general debian-events@ mailing list, so I
> do not really know a better place...

I cc:ed the debian-publicity@ mailing list because during the meeting we
decided that the best place to continue discussing about merchandise
should be the Debian Marketing Team <http://wiki.debian.org/Marketing>,
which mailing list is... debian-public...@!  Before any flame, please
read the *full* mail, thanks in advance.

This very same mail will also be included in the BoF wiki page, if you
need to add something it would be better to both reply to this mail and
update the wiki page if the information belongs to the report as well.

Here we go!

> I have also created a DebConf10-specific wiki page for stuff to be
> discussed during the BoF:
> 
>   http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise/BoFDebConf10

I think the best thing is to simply go through the different points.


1) general situation, who has what

Basically, this is already covered in the Wiki merchandise page I create
before the BoF <http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise>.  There are mainly 4
different "entities" with merchandise stuff (Alexander Wirt, Debian
Brasil, debian.ch and Debian UK), plus Adrian von Bidder (umbrellas) and
Anto Recio & Holger Levsen (wine).  I vaguely remember someone
(Luciano?) pointed out that something was missing, in that case please
fill in the wiki page and put a note in the report on the BoF page.

It should be stressed out that not all of the merchandise present there
is actually available.  My idea was to have a general overview of what
we had, have and could have.  I do not think we need at this point a
more specific list, since I am quite sure the common (and well-selling)
merchandise (T-Shirts and foilstickers) is usually renewed/reproduced.


2) status of the official Debian merchandise page
<http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise>

Given that Debian itself does not sell any merchandise, it was clear
that we should not put any "direct" link on this page, i.e. no links to
the non-commercial organizations.

However, since "the information below is provided as a favor to our
loyal users", it was also clear that we should provide a link to a
non-commercial merchandise page, where our loyal users can find what is
available and how to buy it.  This can be the same wiki page of point 1)
above or another one, but it would be better not to have it hosted on
www.d.o, thus anyone can easily modify it.

We discussed shortly about the merchand...@debian.org address, but we
were not able to find out who actually receives this mail, thus we stop
at this point.  IMHO this address should be the primary resource for any
merchandise question, being it official/commercial or for booth/event
preparation.


3) sort of HowTo for booth people to complement the DebianEventsHowto

Thanks to the work done by I guess the Debian Publicity Team, we already
have a quite exhaustive wiki page
<http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsHowto>.  While in this page I have
already added a link to the merchandise wiki page, this is not enough.
Instead, we should complement that page (or create a new one) with
specific information on how to request/manage/return the merchandise.

Following the BoF, I had a discussion with Carl Chenet (together with
Xavier Oswald organizer of the Debian booth at the recent RMLL in
Bordeaux <http://2010.rmll.info/>) and Zack: we ended up with a possible
workflow.  Please bear in mind that nothing has been decided yet, on the
contrary everything must be discussed with the different teams involved
(Marketing, Publicity and Events, if it ever exists one).

People organizing booth should deal with a single specific entity and
they should be able to simply request for a booth box.  Obviously Debian
will cover any shipping costs, for both receiving and sending
back what was not sold.

This booth box should contain a pre-defined set of merchandise stuff:
T-Shirts, flyers (e.g. <http://debian-flyers.alioth.debian.org/>) and so
on.  For a better (and in some case also professional) booth experience,
Debian could also provide booth infrastructure, i.e. foldable containers
for flyers or foldable poster standers [sorry for the names, I do not
have any idea how these are called in English, I hope you can get
them!].

Given the fact that most of the conferences take place either in the
Americas or in Europe, there should be two different boxes and thus at
le

Re: [Debconf-discuss] (NEW TIME) B and H Electronics

[Luca Capello]

Hi John!

On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 19:53 -0400, John Goerzen wrote:
> On 08/02/2010 05:46 PM, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
> > We will now be meeting at 1:30 PM at the main gates, tomorrow, Tuesday
> > August 3rd. Promise not to change the time. Feel free to email me off
> > list if you are interested in coming and we will wait for you!
> 
> I may attend -- trying to decide whether to go there or to Debian for 
> Enterprise Infrastructure and FAI...  Do you have an ETA for return to 
> Columbia?

I must be back for Faidon's event at 16:00 (videoteam duties).  And
anyway I am looking for a specific thing, a 1-to-2 2.5mm-to-3.5mm
headphone adapter, thus if there is none I will simply go back ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Anacrhism T-Shirts and foilstickers from debian.ch at DebConf10

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

As probably now everyone knows, debian.ch produces some Debian
merchandise as you can see at:

  http://debian.ch/merchandise/

Some `apt-get install T-Shirts`, together with plain/Women/kFreeBSD
swirl and  "debian" word foilstickers, are available in CS-hacklab:

Prices are 25USD for a T-Shirt (available in unisex/lady shapes and
S/M/L/XL/XXL/XXXL sizes) and 2/5/10USD for each S/M/L foilsticker,
respectively.

There is also one Debian umbrella left for 30USD:

  http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/DebianUmbrella

Obviously, the extra money will be donated back to Debian.

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] possible smart card group buy?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 13:59 -0300, David Bremner wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:34:12 -0400, micah anderson  wrote:
> > If people are looking into getting the OpenPGP smartcard (v2), you might
> > want to also look at the Cryptostick[0] which is an opensource project
> > that has all the features of the OpenPGPv2 card and more.
> 
> They do look nice (personally I already have a couple of readers, so I'm
> more interested in sticking with that form factor).  Kernel-concepts
> lists them at 49EUR; I didn't see a volume discount, but maybe somebody
> with better German can suss that out.

FWIW, I think at some point I will place an order to Kernel Concepts,
either for the OpenPGP smartcard (even if I would now prefer a 4096-bit
enabled one) or the GPF Crypto Stick.  Thus, anyone interested should
monitor the Debian wiki page for the OpenPGP smartcard:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP/Buying

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Anacrhism T-Shirts and foilstickers from debian.ch at DebConf10

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 14:27 -0400, Luca Capello wrote:
> As probably now everyone knows, debian.ch produces some Debian
> merchandise as you can see at:
> 
>   http://debian.ch/merchandise/
> 
> Some `apt-get install T-Shirts`, together with plain/Women/kFreeBSD
> swirl and  "debian" word foilstickers, are available in CS-hacklab:
> 
> Prices are 25USD for a T-Shirt (available in unisex/lady shapes and
> S/M/L/XL/XXL/XXXL sizes) and 2/5/10USD for each S/M/L foilsticker,
> respectively.

I have a bunch of T-Shirts left (2XL, 4XXL and 3XXXL, plus various
lady-shaped) and I do not want to bring them back in Switzerland.  Thus,
if anyone is interested, please come to the CS-hacklab.

Foilstickers are still available as well, but not umbrellas, sorry.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Thank you, organizers and volunteers and everyone

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 15:13 -0400, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Thank you, organizers, volunteers, and everyone else involved in the
> conference.

I would like to join Lars and Jameson: being my first time in NYC (and
in USA as well), I was very happy to be in the center of the city,
surrounded by, first of all, friendly Debian people (developers, users
and simple "fans") and spending almost two weeks with them.

Looking forward to attend DebConf11, where probably "say what?" and
"what's that?" will need to found a good counterpart (Zack and Biella,
you know about that...).

Thx, bye,
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[Debconf-discuss] [OT] Can you repeat, please? (was Re: Thank you, organizers and volunteers and everyone)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please do not Cc: me, I read the list, thanks.

On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:39 -0400, Adnan Hodzic wrote:
> > Looking forward to attend DebConf11, where probably "say what?" and
> > "what's that?" will need to found a good counterpart (Zack and Biella,
> > you know about that...).
> 
> Can you please elaborate what was meant by this?

Basically, given that I am not an English native speaker, I tend to make
errors, thus sometime the person in front of me does not understand.  I
found out that she/he replies to me with different expressions, used
AFAIK without any preference WRT her/his origin.

Until now, I have found three of them: "say what?", "what's that?" and
"say it again", the first two being a word game Biella, Zack and me
started the last days after I explained the above to both of them.

Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] cdn.debian.net

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

I guess this discussion should continue on debian-mirrors@, if you drop
debconf-discuss@ please Cc: me.

On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:07 -0400, Hideki Yamane wrote: 
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:00:40 +0900
> Yasuhiro Araki  wrote:
> > Thank you for requesting cdn.d.n updating request.
> > I just has added mirror.cc.columbia.edu to list of cdn.debian.net.
> 
>  How's your feeling about cdn.debian.net, nice? bad?

I am very happy with that, especially because as Joey wrote you do not
need to tweak anything while traveling.

> Please give back your feeling/idea to Yasuhiro Araki  , he 
> really 
>  wants *your* voice (to keep "motivation", "communication" is important, 
> right? :-)

I cannot do anything more than thanking Araki-san for this service,
which I hope will become official ASAP.

BTW, since we are at it, I am now in Boston (71.232.13.26) and I think
cdn.debian.net does not pick up the nearest mirror, which I guess is the
MIT one (traceroute hops and mirror FQDN in parenthesis):
=
l...@gismo:~$ host cdn.debian.net
cdn.debian.net is an alias for deb.cdn.araki.net.
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 149.20.20.135
 (12 mirrors1.kernel.org)
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 149.20.20.135
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 64.50.236.52
 (more than 30, last one is 13 chcgildtcor53-giten9-1.network.tds.net)
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 64.50.236.52
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 128.59.59.71
 (14 teewurst.cc.columbia.edu)
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 128.59.59.71
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 128.226.116.176
 (more than 30, last one is 9 66.162.73.26)
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 128.226.116.176

l...@gismo:~$
=

FWIW, `traceroute debian.lcs.mit.edu` (rocky-mountain.csail.mit.edu,
128.30.2.36) gives me only 8 hops.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [OT] Can you repeat, please? (was Re: Thank you, organizers and volunteers and everyone)

[Luca Capello]

Hi Andreas!

On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 22:07 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:26:00PM -0400, Luca Capello wrote:
> > Until now, I have found three of them: "say what?", "what's that?" and
> > "say it again", the first two being a word game Biella, Zack and me
> > started the last days after I explained the above to both of them.
> 
> Wunderbar!

I really missed you and I am sure you would have used this /wonderful/
(pun intended) expression at the end of the Van Cortlandt Track Club
bi-monthly 5km cross-country summer race:

http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100806.222131.da0e887a.en.html

> SCNR

Is this another expression (this time German) I am not aware of?  ;-)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [OT] Can you repeat, please? (was Re: Thank you, organizers and volunteers and everyone)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 20:36 +0100, Tim Retout wrote:
> > Until now, I have found three of them: "say what?", "what's that?" and
> > "say it again", the first two being a word game Biella, Zack and me
> > started the last days after I explained the above to both of them.
> 
> "Say what?" definitely sounds US English.  I wouldn't use the other two 
> either.
> 
> Your basic four UK responses are as follows, in descending order of 
> politeness:
[...]

Thank you Tim, I thought that given your elaborate reply we have enough
material for a wiki page:

  http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/CanYouRepeatPlease

Adnan, you can now create a similar DebConf11 wiki page ;-)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in New York City, USA during DebConf10

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Sorry for the late reply, I had not the time to finish this during
DebConf10 and I am still catching up with post-DebConf10 holidays :-)

On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 23:37 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: 
> RSA keys of 2048-bits or longer are recommended, with
> self-certifications using SHA-256 or stronger.  More detailed
> recommendations can be found here:
> 
>  
> https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+paow/openpgp-best-practices#openpgp-key-checks

Thank you micah for that page.  I think we should put all the
information on the Debian wiki (since we heavily rely on OpenPGP), or at
least have a "collective" page with various links:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP
  http://www.einval.com/~steve/docs/gpg-autofs.html
  http://www.crypto-stick.org/

With this mail, however, I would like to comment on using the HKPS
keyservers.

The problem with this approach is that you cannot use a round-robin
server (like keys.gnupg.net, the default if no specified in gpg.conf, or
subkeys.pgp.net) and relying on a single keyserver can cause problems as
well if the keyserver is not regularly synced.

And IMHO the Indimedia example could have some love, here the problems I
found ;-)


1) the link to the CAcert.org root certificate is broken, you need to
prepend the domain with "www" to get the correct page, otherwise you are
redirected to the CAcert.org homepage.


2) "keyserver hkps://keys.indymedia.org" does not work with the default
GnuPG in stable:
=
l...@baloo:~$ gpg --recv-keys  E397832F
gpg: requesting key E397832F from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpgkeys: protocol `hkps' not supported
gpg: no handler for keyserver scheme `hkps'
gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error

l...@baloo:~$ gpg --version
gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.9
[...]

l...@baloo:~$ 
=

The same in squeeze, but with a different error:
=
l...@gismo:~$ gpg --refresh-keys l...@pca.it
gpg: refreshing 3 keys from hkps://keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key 9DDB992B from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key 6D742669 from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key E397832F from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 1: unsupported protocol
gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 1: unsupported protocol
gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 1: unsupported protocol
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

l...@gismo:~$ gpg --version
gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
[...]

l...@gismo:~$ 
=

It does, however, with GnuPG-2 in squeeze:
=
l...@gismo:~$ gpg2 --refresh-keys l...@pca.it
gpg: refreshing 3 keys from hkps://keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key 9DDB992B from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key 6D742669 from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpg: requesting key E397832F from hkps server keys.indymedia.org
gpg: key 9DDB992B: "Luca Capello " not changed
gpg: key 6D742669: "Luca Capello " not changed
gpg: key E397832F: "Luca Capello " not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 3
gpg:  unchanged: 3

l...@gismo:~$ gpg2 --version
gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.14
libgcrypt 1.4.5
[...]

l...@gismo:~$ 
=


3) at least for Debian, I would rather suggests to use
"keyserver-options ca-cert-file=/etc/ssl/certs/cacert.org.pem", since
that certificate should stay updated: it is part of the ca-certificates
package (installed by default in a standard Debian graphical
environment) and it is also activated by default.


Thx, bye,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:39:59 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I'm going to Debconf by train.  Having done my research, I now know
> which trains I'm going to be on.  On the way out I will be taking a
> day to look around Sarajevo by myself, which produces quite a detour.

Nothing against you, Ian, but why is this discussed on debian-devel@ and
not on debconf-discuss@ (cc:ed) or debian-events-eu@?

Thx, bye,
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[Debconf-discuss] Motorbike trip to Banja Luka

[Luca Capello]

Hi all!

Some of you maybe remember that for DebConf7 I travelled from Genève to
Edimburgh with my motorbike and maybe even more of you remember that,
while I did the same for DebConf9, I was not alone, given that Zack and
Roland joined me for an indeed beautiful trip:

  
  

For this year DebConf Zack and me are planning to arrive in Banja Luka
again with probably not the best comfort in the world (especially for
your back).  Nothing is decided yet and again the two major points are:

- dates

  I am quite free for the arrival ride, while I must be in Genève on
  Saturday, August 6th, which means that we should leave Banja Luka soon
  after DebConf ends.

- route

  The trip distance from Genève is around 1130km with motorways:
  Mont-Blanc tunnel, Milano, Venezia, Ljubljana, Zagreb and finally
  Banja Luka.  This in no way can be completed in a single day.  We have
  not discussed this in details, but a good option would be at least two
  stops somewhere on the road.

  Or we could decide to avoid tolls as much as possible, thus the trip
  distance, always from Genève, would be around 1430km: Bern, Zürich,
  München, Salzburg, Graz, Maribor and finally Banja Luka.  This will
  need at least three stops.

Is anyone else interested?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please note that DebConf, while different, is another Debian event [1],
thus the Events team should be notified of such merchandising stuff, at
least to avoid duplicate efforts like in recent events.

[1] 

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:38:17 +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> i would be interested to know who brings what merchandising articles for
> Debian. I think it might be a good idea if we post such things already
> now to the ML, so potential buyers can already "order" stuff.

Some of the debian.ch merchandise [2] will be there, at least Debian
SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts, foilstickers and white umbrellas [3].  For
the anarchism T-Shirts, I was planning to ask for a Credativ shipment,
instead, because our stock is mostly finished and also because given
that I am travelling by motorcycle [4] I will not have any extra space
for merchandising.

[2] 

For the Swiss Army knife we discussed at DebConf10 [5] and I announced
early this year [6], debian.ch finally took contact with Victorinox:
again, it would be very difficult to have them at DebConf11.

[5] 
[6] 

As a general policy similar to the umbrellas at DebConf10 [7], while the
basic rule is "first arrived, first served", I always prefer to give
precedence to people living far away from the "production" site, mostly
because shipping costs are usually higher for these countries.
Obviously, this is in no way mandatory (even for myself).

[7] 

Best,
Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Keeping the Events team cc:ed, dropping debian.ch.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:33:45 +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote:
> Can we organize a merchandise sales during Debian Day?

Yes, we can.  But we need to know if that is allowed (hint: behind
authorisation, import/export and sale taxes) and what we want to sell:
time is running up, especially if there is any material that must be
shipped Europe- or world-wide.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:28:09 +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Luca Capello schrieb am Tuesday, den 14. June 2011:
>> Some of the debian.ch merchandise [2] will be there, at least Debian
>> SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts, foilstickers and white umbrellas [3].  For
>> the anarchism T-Shirts, I was planning to ask for a Credativ shipment,
>> instead, because our stock is mostly finished and also because given
>> that I am travelling by motorcycle [4] I will not have any extra space
>> for merchandising.
> Good to know. I currently don't have an idea if I can provide merchandising
> in time. Also I don't have a clue how to ship the merch to debconf. Any
> ideas?

Not yet, sorry, but at least for DebConf9 I sent T-Shirts to one person
From the orga team, directly to the venue.

> P.S. Also I'm not sure how much is actually left as I shipped a few boxes to
> Linuxtag. Maybe we are limited on some sizes/layouts.

I was not thinking about a lot of stuff, something around 10 T-Shirts
for each model for a total of 50 T-Shirts, plus some mugs if they are
still available.  This beacuse I would like to avoid any extra costs for
returning the merchandise (either at Credativ or debian.ch, it does not
matter).  And also because I do not expcet big sales...

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:30:18 +0200, Moray Allan wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Luca Capello  wrote:
>> Yes, we can.  But we need to know if that is allowed (hint: behind
>> authorisation, import/export and sale taxes)
>
> If you're worrying about these: selling stuff might also require a
> work permit.  (As would working on Debian packages, in many countries,
> by the letter of the law, even unpaid.)

I would say that there is a big difference between selling some T-Shirts
at DebConf attendees in an "informal" way and actually organizing an
official shop during the Debian Day, as Velimir asked for...

Nevertheless, let us see what Velimir will say about the Debian Day and
we could then go into details.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:25:36 +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:33:45 +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote:
>>> Can we organize a merchandise sales during Debian Day?
>>
>> Yes, we can.  But we need to know if that is allowed (hint: behind
>> authorisation, import/export and sale taxes) and what we want to sell:
>> time is running up, especially if there is any material that must be
>> shipped Europe- or world-wide.
>
> i'll check everything and let you know as soon as possible!

DebConf11 is now two weeks ahead, so it is time to get things done™, so
I would like to:

- know if we plan to have a shop for the Debian Day to plan the
  merchandise needed.

- send debian.ch merchandise at the beginning of the next week, thus I
  need a postal address in Banja Luka.  Please note that there is a
  remote possibility that debian.ch stuff will arrive with someone from
  Switzerland, but this is far to be decided, yet.

- order some Credativ merchandise which will must sent to Banja Luka
  (AFAIK Alexander Wirt is not coming to DebConf11, but I do not know
  for other Credativ guys), thus I need the same postal address as
  above...

Is there any particular detail I should know for the shipments?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandising

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote:
> 2011/7/8 Axel Beckert :
>> Result of this thread was so far, that only Debian.ch will bring some
>> merch for sure and possibly Debian UK will bring some, too, because no
>> one could give us a postal address where to send the merch to in
>> advance.
>>
>
> I can find you an address where to ship the merchandise (local people).
> Give me a few hours.

Well, it is now a bit too late, according to the Swiss Post it would
take between 4-9 or 7-15 days for a Priority or Economic shipment,
respectively.  Given that I will not be able to send anything before
Monday (real life stuff), I do not want to take the risk.  The same
applies to the Credativ stuff.

Nevertheless, thanks to Axel debian.ch will for sure bring merchandise
and if the Debian UK crew will manage to have some as well everything
should be fine.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf runners, one year later

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

After having been infected by the running virus during last year
DebConf10 [1], around 18:00 this afternoon I started my session for
Banja Luka.

[1] 

It was not a long run: around 25 minutes, the first one after two-week
rest (diving on a not so-deep river is not really harmless), but
nevertheless I discovered a nice and quite big park on north-east the
venue on Dr. Mladena Stojanovića.

I will try to go running every day, but differently from Christian
(bubulle) I usually do not wake so early in the morning, which means
that I will do that either in the late afternoon before dinner or
mid-evening.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Laundry in Banja Luka

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

I will probably go to have some clothes washed tomorrow (motorbike
riding [1] does not help in this respect...).

[1] 

I will look around for automatic laundry near the venue and I will end
up in one of the two listed in the "Practical Information" page [2].

[2] 

If anyone is interested, please contact me in private.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf runners, one year later

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:52:40 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:37:43PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
>> I will try to go running every day, but differently from Christian
>> (bubulle) I usually do not wake so early in the morning, which means
>> that I will do that either in the late afternoon before dinner or
>> mid-evening.
>
> I plan to join the running crew (25-30 min is enough for me)

I usually prefer to run that range of time more often during the week
than longer time once a week :-)

> but I do not make this depend from time of day but rather of
> temperature outside.  I will not run > 30° and I'm seriosely thinking
> if I drop it at > 25° degree.

Well, I did not checked the temperature this afternoon, but there were
some clouds and thus it was not completely sunny.  This is also why I
wrote about those day periods, given that I expect temperature to drop
at "supportive" ranges.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laundry in Banja Luka

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:48:40 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> I will look around for automatic laundry near the venue and I will end
> up in one of the two listed in the "Practical Information" page [2].
>
> [2] <http://debconf11.debconf.org/practicalinfo.xhtml>

In the end, I did not look for an automatic one at all, but I went
directly to "A & D" (in Vase Pelagica bb, across the street from "Nova
Bank"), some notes:

1) the lady there *did not* speak any English at all, but actually she
   needed one single word from me, my name ("Ime" in Bosnian)

2) the ETA for your laundry is *3* (*THREE*) days, something which
   sounds strange, but it happened to myself and Andrew, and given that
   the ETA date is printed on the receipt there are no doubts about
   it...

3) you pay when you get your laundry back

There are also two self-service machines on the left at the entrance, at
least I assume so given that you can insert coins in ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf runners, one year later

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:49:19 +0200, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Andreas Tille dijo [Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:52:40PM +0200]:
>> I plan to join the running crew (25-30 min is enough for me) but I do
>> not make this depend from time of day but rather of temperature outside.
>> I will not run > 30° and I'm seriosely thinking if I drop it at > 25°
>> degree.
>
>
> I hope/expect to join the running crew if morning runs are also
> made. My pace and endurance are greatly inferior to yours, but I can
> do my 5Km at least, after also ~15 days without running :)

FWIW on Tuesday Christian, Sebastian and myself run 5.4km in 35min and
on Wednesday Christian, Gaudenz and myself did something like
4km in 24min, both in the afternoon.  So Gunnar, except by the fact that
it was afternoon, you are very much welcome!

As I stated before, I will try to go every afternoon at around 18:00,
weather permitting.  Everybody is welcome, it is really nice to discover
Banja Luka while chatting with Debian friends.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] debian event box

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please reply to the correct mailing list according to what you are
replying to: general discussions about the Debian Events Box go to
debian-publicity@, fulfilling my request in the end goes to
debconf-discuss@ or directly to me, please.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:23:27 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Before proceeding though I've a couple of requests (which I've just
> discussed with Luca):
>
> - we should make an estimate of an in-Europe / in-US shipment of a full
>   event box, just to ensure that shipment is not an excessive share of
>   the cost of the material (to do that we most likely need to make an
>   estimate of the total weight of a box)

The estimated weight is 24 kg, found looking around on the web for some
common hardware:

  


About the the estimate for shipments, I should say that I did not find a
table with current prices: all the major companies (USPS, DHL, FedEx and
UPS) need to know the sending/receiving postal codes, so I just gave up.

Given that I know that the Swiss Post uses TNT for express delivery, so
I checked the prices there (yes, for once they have worldwide table and
prices).  Prices for 30 kg and 100 x 60 x 60 cm within nearby (zone 1)
and island or farther (zone 2) Europe are around 105 and 160 USD for
Priority (up to 10 days) shipment and 85 and 130 USD for Economy (up to
20 days), respectively, including automatic insurance up to 1200 USD,
but electronic equipment are excluded from the liability.  NB, the
prices above are for private customers.  I have added that to the wiki
page as well:

  


> - we should make sure that the material fits properly in the Pelicase
>   without packing it too much (which I seriously doubt) and also without
>   leaving it too empty. Here at DebConf11 we have a Peli 1650, used by
>   the video team, so if we can assemble most of the material we can
>   easily do that

While we have most of the material here at DebConf, I was unable to find
a 17" LCD, which is actually the biggest item.  I have now cc:ed the
debconf-discuss@ mailing list to reach a broader audience with my
request.

Does anyone at DebConf11 have a 17" LCD to lend me for 10 minutes?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] FrontDesk shifts and volunteers

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:19:11 +0200, René Mayorga wrote:
> If you did put your name on the wiki for FrontDesk[1] volunteering

Just FWI, I have not put my name there yet, but because of merchandising
stuff (and the beautiful spot the FD this year is in) I will probably be
most of the time there as well.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf11 Events BoF, do you want to contribute?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

It seems that this year's Events BoF will be held in a big room:

  

This will be the time to discuss how the Events team works in Debian and
why we need such a team when the Publicity/Press team are doing a very
great job in promoting Debian.  Yet there are a lot of space for
improvement, as usual ;-)

At the beginning of DebCamp I put up my ToDo list (which obviously was
not completed, but this is another story):

  

Most of the work is still to be done, especially about restructuring the
event pages and defining a detailed procedure for booth management, but
we are back in business.

I invite anyone interested in such topics to join the discussion, it is
not like there will not be enough space...  Any input is appreciated,
especially if you have organized a booth and want to share your
experiences (good or bad, it does not matter, we learn from our errors).

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] X60s battery issues

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:26:54 +0200, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 02:53:25 AM, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
>> It looks like the battery of my laptop (ThinkPad X60s) does not want to
>> charge anymore.
[...]
> The battery is probably toast.  :-(  Li-Ion batteries don't like to be near 
> 0% 
> charge, nor 100% charge -- getting too close to 0% risks catastrophic failure 
> and possible explosion.  As a result there are safety monitoring circuits to 
> cut out the battery if it's drained too far; and unfortunately when this 
> happens there is no known way to recover the battery out of that condition.  
[...]
> I'd like to believe that the battery could be recovered using some kind of 
> ThinkPad battery firmware hack, but I haven't been able to find one.  I 
> similarly have a failed battery that I'd like to bring to life again.  [If 
> anhyone has a clue on this, please ping me via email.]

I clearly remember that Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (cc:ed,
ThinkPad-ACPI upstream maintainer) told me at DebConf9 that is there
actually a way to "bare metal" manually charge dead ThinkPad batteries
if the EC controller is not dead (technical details may be wrong, but
you got the idea).  I have never tried looked for the necessary
information nor tried that, but I will certainly to that.  Links
appreciated ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] CAcert Assurer

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:21:46 +0200, David Prévot wrote:
> If some of you are CAcert Assurer, could you please verify my identity. I
> have ready forms for that, and will be glad to hunt you in the DebConf if
> you reply to my email.

You know who I am ;-)  Obviously, I am available for other people, too!

BTW, I would be glad to increase my WoT for the CAcert network as well,
 if any other assurer is available.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] CAcert Assurer

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:01:56 +0200, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
> On 27/07/2011 08:21, "David Prévot" wrote:
>> If some of you are CAcert Assurer, could you please verify my identity. I
>> have ready forms for that, and will be glad to hunt you in the DebConf if
>> you reply to my email.
>
> I'm available too (though able to give only 10 points).

The point is improving the WoT, not having 1M points ;-)

> Maybe we can organize a meeting, even if I have really no idea about
> when we can put it. Could it be this evening, which still seems to be
> somewhat free?

A bit difficult for me this evening and for this kind of stuff you
should have a bit longer notice, but please catch a free slot and I will
be there.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf13, minutes for 20110728-1300 meeting

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

As announced in [1], we held another meeting about DebConf13 today at
13:00 in the same Meeting Room used yesterday here at DebConf11.
As yesterday, here the minutes.

[1] <http://lists.debian.ch/msgid-search/871uxb48z8.fsf%40gismo.pca.it>

Please, if anyone has any corrections, go on!


== Presences ==

The following persons were present, in alphabetical order:

- Alain Schröder (alain)
- Axel Beckert (abe)
- Didier Raboud (odyx)
- Eva Ramon (eva)
- Gaudenz Steinlin (gaudenz)
- Luca Capello (gismo)
- Martin F. Krafft (madduck) (favors a DebConf13 near Germany)
- Philipp Hug (hug)
- Salvatore Bonaccorso (carnil)


== "Committment" Round ==

Given the presence of new people, we evaluated how much time each person
could invest in the organization.  Here the details:

- Alain does not have much experience and thus he does not think he can
  be on the CoreTeam (CT), but he is willing to find some time to help,
  depending on the location.  He will probably go to DebConf12 in
  Nicaragua.
- Axel has time-conflicts with another event and he is not sure to be at
  DebConf12 in Nicaragua [2].  Moreover, he wants to organize a Mini
  DebConf before a full DebConf.  He had organized a LUGcamp before and
  he wants to self-protect himself from too much work.  He has
  experiences in setting up websites for other events and he would be
  ready to help in this regard.
- Didier has a conflicting project in 2013, he will know more before the
  end of August.
- Eva does not know yet.
- Gaudenz is in Switzerland and he will stay there.  While he will not
  be able to invest too much time, but he has a good flexibility WRT to
  work schedule.  He is willing to go helping at DebConf12 in Nicaragua
  if we win the bid.
- Luca will take a year off if Switerland wins the bid.  He will go for
  sure to DebConf12 in Nicaragua.
- Martin moved to Germany and he does not want to be in the CT.  He is
  good ad keepting track of things (e.g. sponsorship or finances).
- Philipp can help, especially WRT to infrastructure/network stuff.
- Salvatore is willing to help, but does not know yet how much he can
  invest.

[2] <http://debconf12.debconf.org/>

Some notes:

[Martin]
- The CT needs 3 to 5 people that can not jump off.
- Backup from the employer is important.
- Time commitment is "more than you think".
- The Global Team handles website stuff.

[Philipp]
- Switzerland has good Internet connectivity.


== Possible Venues ==

Legend: '+' = strong point, '-' = weak point, in parenthesis the person
in charge of checking it.

[general]
* Possible dates include October/November, the other outseason is
  April/May.
* Accommodation is the first problem, then we can ask entities.
* Touristic places could be a problem, we are not the only meeting
  happening in Switzerland and we do not have the same budget as bank
  meetings, for example, thus we should check smaller places like
  Thurgau (Martin) or Neuchatel, Fribourg (but there is no
  accommodation) or Morat (Didier).
* Boarding schools are quite ideal, they do caterings, they have small
  rooms, bigger auditoriums, but they have to be empty (Gaudenz will
  check the German-speaking part, Luca the French one).
* Mountain towns (e.g. Davos or Zermatt) are nice and everything is
  there (Philipp).
* Youth hostels are another option, too (Didier).
* On the community@ mailing list Giacomo proposed to contact
  MySwitzerland [3] (Luca).

[outside of the cities]
+ Easy to organize.
+ Less expensive.
+ Daytrip to the cities.
- Venues do not really exist.

[universities]
* Basel (Alain)
* Genève (Luca)
* ETH/UniZH (Salvatore with the help of Alain)
* Winthertur?

[Interlaken (Philipp)]
+ Good opening hours for supermarkets.
- Axel was at the LUG-Camp in 2007, that location (dry dock) is not
  suitable for DebConf, though.

[EPFL, Lausanne (Didier)]
+ New conference center ready for 2013.
+ It will include accommodation or hotels near the campus.
+ Reasonable well connected.
+ Big Free Software community which could help and/or assist.
- Need public transportation to go there.
- Lack of accommodation nearby.
- Lack of supermarkets nearby.
- Expensive location.

[CERN, Genève (Luca)]
+ If the location will provide also all side-services it will be OK.


== To Be Done ==

* Sponsoring.
* Content of the presentation [3]
  # Eva, Gaudenz and Philipp will not be there.
  # Luca will take care of preparing it.
* Next meeting should be at the end of August.
  # Gaudenz will organize it on the community@ mailing list.

[3] <http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/734.en.html>

We thank Didier to have kept record of the minutes.


Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf13, minutes for 20110728-1300 meeting

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:49:01 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> As announced in [1], we held another meeting about DebConf13 today at
> 13:00 in the same Meeting Room used yesterday here at DebConf11.
> As yesterday, here the minutes.
>
> [1] <http://lists.debian.ch/msgid-search/871uxb48z8.fsf%40gismo.pca.it>

Bingo: it should have been commun...@lists.debian.ch, sorry...

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Anybody has a spare Thinkpad power supply?

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:50:04 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> I'm the guy with the scary patched thinkpad power supply... :-)
> If you don't need yours anymore, I'd be glad, if you could leave it for me.

Someone left a Lenovo power supply (P/N 36001809, input 100-240V~1.0A
50-60Hz, output 20V -. 1.5A, 0.5cm plug) here at the FD/Merchandise.  I
do not know what FD will do with that if no one will claim it...

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf11 Events BoF, report!

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please reply to the debian-publicity@ mailing list [1], it is the
discussion list for anything related to the Events team (R-T and M-F-T
set accordingly), TIA.

[1] 

This is the report of the Events BoF [2][3].  I am sorry for the delay,
but the latest days at DebConf11 were quite intense for me, between the
merchandise handling and the proposal for DebConf13 in Switzerland.  And
the week after DebConf11 I took a pause and enjoyed RL :-)

[2] 
[3] 


First of all, the BoF was divided into two parts: I explained again what
the Events team does and where.  These were basically the same
information available on the wiki [4] and there were no big surprise
here, except a HUGE remark about (ab)using the email address [5] for
notifications...

[4] 
[5] 

Then, I moved to the DebConf11 ToDo list [6], which actually got more
attention and people started to interact.

[6] 

Most of the people agreed about adding minor events (AKA simple talks)
to the web page [7]: Francesca is already working on it and this should
be fixed soon, also deprecating the "some talks" page [8] (IMHO not so
visible).

[7] 
[8] 

Speaking of talks, we really need a way to search in the event/talk
list, it is impossible that in 2011 we still oblige our users to go
through yearly subpages.

Just before the BoF Annette told me about the GriCal portal [9]: we
should find a way to work together with them to avoid duplication of
event submissions and sharing of the main events.  Francesca, this could
be the F/LOSS "schedule/calendar" we were looking for, not forgetting
the French-speaking "Agenda du Libre" [10]...

[9] 
[10] 

Another agreement was that those pages, especially the ones related to
setup a booth, need a re-factoring: the best thing would probably be to
send a "Call for Help" on the debian-publicity@ mailing list [1] after
having someway planned how the new pages should be organized.  Some work
can be done independently of those pages, like the merchandise stuff,
given that it has its own space on www.d.o [11] (but check #613832
[12]).  We should probably move the information on a subpage, which is
also easier to maintain.

[11] 
[12] 

Before going into details about the booth novelties, let me explain the
two last points.

First, for the mailing list, the idea would be to still use the
already-established debian-events-$SOMETHING [13] mailing list for
coordination, with a "new" mailing list for announcement only (both
minor and major events).  This should be a restricted-posting mailing
list (probably Events and Press membership only): its aim is to provide
email notifications whenever a new event is added to the website.  A
parallel approach would be to duplicate the announcements on Planet
Debian, but these points must be coordinated with the Publicity team.

[13] $SOMETHING is variable, sometime we have one $LOCALE (-nl), one
 $CONTINENT (-eu) and two $SUBCONTINENT (-na and -saff).

Second, the merchandise stuff, something that goes beyond the simple
webpage [11].  Beside its re-organization, we should find a better way
to show what is available *at least* from the Debian Trusted
Organizations [14].  The simplest way would be to have a sort of
"virtual" shop, also useful for booth organization.  In an ideal world,
this would be the "complete" stock of all Debian merchandising from
Trusted Organizations, "managed" by the Events team (do not panic,
strong words chosen on purpose).  Nothing has been done in this respect
apart from my wishful thinking and discussions with various people,
including the Debian Auditors [15].  Nevertheless, we agreed on using
the events.d.n address [16] for all our tests, as soon as Andreas will
free the DNS entry ;-)

[14] 
[15] 
[16] 

Then, I moved to the main topic and also my primary goal for this
DebConf11: the Debian Events Box [17].  Taking the example from the
GNOME project [18], booth organizers will receive a parcel with all the
*minimal* material for the booth, i.e.:

- 1x demo PC, already configured to run BabelBox [19] and other stuff
- 1x 17" LCD
- 1x keyboard/mouse
- 1x Wi-Fi AP with a 4-port hub, already configured
- 2+ power strips with worldwide adapter
- various network/VGA/USB cables
- 2 Kensington-compatible locks
- lockable cash box
- debian-flyers and other print advertising
- T-Shirts/labels for the booth staff

[17] 
[18] 

Re: [Debconf-discuss] License and redistribution of your DebConf(10) blog posts

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please do not Cc: me, I read the list.

Cc:ing debconf-discuss@ and debian-publicity@ to reach a wider audience:
please follow-up the discussion on a single mailing list, the correct
one is IMHO debconf-discuss@, R-T and M-F-T set accordingly.  Leaving
the full quote for these lists.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:20:22 +0200, Richard Darst wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 01:03:00PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
>> I am part of the team that is trying to organize DebConf13 in
>> Switzerland and at the last meeting I volunteered to write the document
>> presenting what DebConf is, what are the needs, etc.:
>> 
>>   <http://lists.debian.ch/87zkk0a3l3.fsf%40gismo.pca.it>
>>   <http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Switzerland/minutes-20110831>
>> 
>> I think we should re-use as much as possible previous documentation,
>> this is why I am writing you as the author of some (and AFAIK the only
>> one of this genre) very useful blog posts about DebConf internals:
>
> Another place that might be useful to check is here:
>
> http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Category:DebConf_Manual
>
> A long term goal would be to integrate the posts into that category
> somehow, or at least get them linked.

+1

>> Two questions:
>> 
>> 1) what is the license for your posts above?
>
> Because of the wiki merging goal above, I'll say it is the same
> license as the DebConf wiki - which I can't find anywhere.  I think
> the a license that would make sense for the DebConf wiki would make
> sense would be something compatible with the Debian wiki license,
> since another long term goal would be merging the DebConf wiki into
> the Debian wiki.  That is a bit unclear, but I will say MIT license
> for my own things since that should fulfill my goals.

AFAIK there were discussions and efforts, especially IIRC by Fran Lin
Piat (bcc:ed), about a full re-licensing of the Debian Wiki, but nothing
is finalized yet:

  <http://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/365.en.html>
  <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/LicencingTerms>

It seems that the MIT license was the one with the biggest probability
to be chosen, so you are already "compliant":

  <http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#The_MIT_License>

>> 1) can I include them in a debian-conference-doc repository, which will
>>be available on Alioth and maybe will end up a in a proper Debian
>>package?
>
> Perhaps this should be the DebConf manual category on the wiki?  I,
> and other people, would probably help with that.  So, I would suggest
> you consider adding to the wiki rather than making another separate
> source of documentation.

With my Events hat on (Events team bcc:ed), I strongly disagree with
*official* documentation available primarily on wikis, because:

1) wikis are for online users and simply leaving opened webpage for the
   sake of offline browsing is a non-sense IMHO.  With a Debian package
   you simply install the package once and for all.

2) there is no way to have *fully* control on wikis, at some point or
   another someone can edit a page and thus someone other should fix it.
   This is the main advantage of a wiki, but at the same time one of its
   weaknesses.

Remember that my first interest is in documents that should be given to
prospecting sponsors & Co., something like the press coverage services
done by the Publicity team.  We should not oblige companies to dig into
wiki pages to find the information they need to evaluate our requests.
Instead, we should provide a 3-page pamphlet of what DebConf is.

And as I see it, documentation of this kind should flow from offline
Debian packages to wikis.  Another advantage is that we could translate
this documentation once and for all instead of relying on various
personal translations.  I know this is quite a hard task, but I think it
is the right way™.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf12-related blog not on Planet Debian

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

I was quite surprised to find out that Norman Garcia, one of the persons
behind the DebConf12 local team, was blogging about DebConf12:

  

However, its blog is not syndicated on Planet Debian.  Could Norman's
blog be added, please?  And for not making similar mistakes in the
future, can this be done semi-automatically for everyone involved with
DebConf?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf12-related blog not on Planet Debian

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:12:47 +0100, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> 
>> However, its blog is not syndicated on Planet Debian.  Could Norman's
>> blog be added, please?  And for not making similar mistakes in the
>> future, can this be done semi-automatically for everyone involved with
>> DebConf?
>
> Any DD (or other member of the Alioth project) can add blogs to Planet
> Debian.

Thank you, I know that (I read the Planet page on the Debian wiki before sending
the email), but I wanted to find some "approval" before any action.

> It seems like it would make most sense for DDs on the DebConf
> organizing team to add folks and blogs for the local team to Planet.

Fully agree, that is also why I Cc:ed debconf-discuss@ ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf13 in Vaumarcus, Switzerland bid

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

This email is a formal bid to organize DebConf13 in Vaumarcus,
Switzerland.  You can find all the relevant information on the
appropriate wiki page:

  

Since the presentation at DebConf11 we regularly met to discuss the
feasibility of the project.  Not a single person was the only
responsible from the beginning to the end of the process.  On the
contrary, we feel we have succeeded quite well in working as a group.

We ended up choosing Vaumarcus, a small village overlooking the
beautiful lake of Neuchâtel, because of its natural position which fully
represents what Switzerland is known for: lakes and mountains.  This
will leave attendees plenty of choice for extra activities. The day trip
(although not yet planned) will focus on opportunities to discover these
surrounding environments.  The venue will offer all the necessary
comforts, grouped in a confined space.  We have already discussed with
the owners, on how to overcome possible problems, especially related to
the number of attendees and the network connectivity.

The backup plans are of two kinds: on one hand Fiesch and Melchtal, two
options similar to Vaumarcus (camp locations with everything nearby).
On the other hand two well-known cities, Geneva and Zurich, for which
presentations seem superfluous.

We are well aware, that Switzerland is known for its high cost of
living.  Yet we are confident, that various sponsors will help us
organize DebConf13 at good value for all participants.

On behalf of the team.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Your biggest achievement during past DebConfs (aka new DebConf promoting campaign)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to debian-project@.

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:38:26 +0100, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:10:27PM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote:
>> Francesca Ciceri wrote:
>> > members of the Debconf Team and Publicity Team need your help!!1!! 
>> > 
>> > (nooo! don't hide!!)
>> > 
>> > We'd like to have a quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
>> > naming their most important technical and/or social achievement reached
>> > during past DebConfs.
>> 
>> So where shall we send such quotes?
>
> In this thread? :)
> And I think could be better to -project instead that debconf-discuss
> (I've just set reply-to accordingly).

I would have preferred to have *all* replies to debconf-discuss@ as
well, I know of at least one of them that went to debian-project@ alone
(and no, I do not want to subscribed to yet another mailing list).

Nevertheless, I think my biggest achievement during past DebConfs is the
DebConf11 Events BoF, which generated a lot of discussion on various
mailing lists (debian-publicity@ and debian-www@ in primis) and in RL,
and it was the beginning for the Debian Events Box creation (which is
progressing slowly, but still...):

  
  

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Your biggest achievement during past DebConfs (aka new DebConf promoting campaign)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:04:27 +0100, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> During Debconf8, I learned about one DD finding himself locked out of
> his room in the middle of the night. This let me to understand that
> DDs are not just technically sharp and concerned with software freedom
> but also sometimes hapless.

Yeah, it seems I completely forgot about this "achievement" of mine...
It also seems that people never forget ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Your biggest achievement during past DebConfs (aka new DebConf promoting campaign)

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:20:02 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Luca Capello wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:04:27 +0100, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
>> > During Debconf8, I learned about one DD finding himself locked out of
>> > his room in the middle of the night. This let me to understand that
>> > DDs are not just technically sharp and concerned with software freedom
>> > but also sometimes hapless.
>> 
>> Yeah, it seems I completely forgot about this "achievement" of mine...
>> It also seems that people never forget ;-)
>
> ... or at least we love to be remembered about things like this!

Ehm, my friends Faidon and Lucas remind me about that every time we
meet...

> Do we also want to add the "swimming event" featuring people in kilts at
> the Winter beach of Mar del Plata or the running event at DebConf10
> (which I unfortunately not witnessed :-().

Both were real achievements and in both cases "external" people were
surprised: the Atlantic Ocean was freezing (IIRC ~7°C), but still some
DebConfers went out of the hotel with towels, while at the Van Cortlandt
Track Club DebConfers constituted the biggest group all wearing the same
T-Shirt (i.e. the official purple DebConf10).

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf13 Logo Contest

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

Please reply to the DebConf13-localteam@ mailing list, R-T and M-F-T set
accordingly.

The DebConf13 organizers are in the process of creating the logo for the
next-year DebConf and we encourage everyone to participate.  Some ideas
are already present on the DebConf wiki [DC13-logo], but we would like
to expand a bit more our vision: we want DebConf13 to be remembered as a
great technical/social period spent with friends in a natural
environment [DC13-vision].

[DC13-logo] 
[DC13-vision] 

Here is a summary of the graphic design elements needed for DebConf13:

- A logo that works in small and large scale, in color as well as black
  and white, and that is recognisable as the logo of the DebConf in
  Vaumarcus, Switzerland (like the DebConf10 logo [DC10-logo] which is
  easily recognised as the New York DebConf logo).  The logo must
  include the Debian swirl [D-swirl], albeit variants of the Debian
  swirl are accepted and welcomed whenever they are peculiar to the
  location or the DebConf itself (other than the already-cited DebConf10
  logo [DC10-logo], see the DebConf6 [DC6], DebConf7 [DC7] or
  DebConf9 [DC9-logo] logos).

- Typeface and layout grids / suggestions for communication material
  such as cover letters, documentation sheets, website, sponsor banners
  (similar to the DebConf12 ones [DC12-artwork]), stickers, T-Shirts,
  bags.

  This would ideally include 3 header hierarchies (h1, h2, h3), standard
  text for paragraphs, separator and quotation elements.

- A colour chart of what colours to use where (backgrounds, headers,
  logo, boxes...).

[DC10-logo] 
[D-swirl] 
[DC6] 
[DC7] 
[DC9-logo] 
[DC12-artwork] 

The logo is the most important part and is mandatory, while the two
other can be finalised later on based on the logo itself.  This means
that we also accept submissions with the logo alone.

The deadline for the DebConf13 submission is Sunday, June 17th: feel
free to add your proposal (SVG preferred and including the license) to
the wiki [DC13-logo].

The final logo will be chosen during the next meeting of the DebConf13
organization team on Monday, June 18th, in Bern [DC13-next].

[DC13-next] 


Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca, on behalf of the DebConf13 organisers


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[Debconf-discuss] cdn.debian.net pointing at .mit.edu mirror from DC12 connections

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

My annual DebConf report, knowing that network setup is not finished:

  
  

  
  

Here at UCA, cdn.d.n is pointing at mirrors in:

* the USA (yesterday and today, dc12 Wi-Fi, IP 172.30.36.137, not really
useful because of the half-working Wi-Fi)
=
root@gismo:/etc# host cdn.debian.net
cdn.debian.net is an alias for deb.cdn.araki.net.
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 128.30.2.36
deb.cdn.araki.net has address 64.50.236.52

root@gismo:/etc# host 128.30.2.36
36.2.30.128.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer rocky-mountain.csail.mit.edu.

root@gismo:/etc# host 64.50.236.52
52.236.50.64.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ftp-chi.osuosl.org.
=

* the official Debian mirror in Chile (1 hour ago, wired network)
=
root@gismo:/etc# ping -c 1 cdn.debian.net
PING deb.cdn.araki.net (200.75.30.181) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- deb.cdn.araki.net ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms

root@gismo:/etc# host 200.75.30.181
Host 181.30.75.200.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

root@gismo:/etc# host ftp.cl.debian.org
ftp.cl.debian.org has address 200.75.30.181
=

* but never the Debian mirror at UCA (which despite ping's error works
fine via apt-get when on wired network)
=
root@gismo:/etc# ping -c 1 debian.uni.edu.ni
PING debian.uni.edu.ni (165.98.4.80) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- debian.uni.edu.ni ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms

root@gismo:/etc# apt-cache policy | grep edu.ni
 500 http://debian.uni.edu.ni/debian/ sid/main Translation-en
 990 http://debian.uni.edu.ni/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages
 origin debian.uni.edu.ni

root@gismo:/etc# apt-get update | grep edu.ni
Hit http://debian.uni.edu.ni sid InRelease
Hit http://debian.uni.edu.ni sid/main amd64 Packages
Hit http://debian.uni.edu.ni sid/main Translation-en
=

First question: as I asked previous DebConfs, would it be possible to
point cdn.debian.net to the internal mirror ("todo va", I am not in a
hurry)?

Second question not related to DebConf12: is the current setup OK or it
should be adjusted WRT the UCA mirror?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] cdn.debian.net pointing at .mit.edu mirror from DC12 connections

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:12:55 -0600, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Montag, 2. Juli 2012, Luca Capello wrote:
>> Here at UCA, cdn.d.n is pointing at mirrors in:
>> * but never the Debian mirror at UCA (which despite ping's error works
>> fine via apt-get when on wired network)
>
> that mirror is located at UNI, not UCA. (its on the other side of the street, 
> but I'm not sure we dont have international-routing to there ;) 

Thank you for the correction, I still miss some "local" information ;-)

>> First question: as I asked previous DebConfs, would it be possible to
>> point cdn.debian.net to the internal mirror ("todo va", I am not in a
>> hurry)?
>
> sounds like a good idea. I'd also support redirecting ftp*.debian.org to the 
> internal mirror. (btw, on homer in /root/test there should be one and the is 
> also a root-screen session running debmirror... feel free to set this up 
> properly.)

I talked with Rene about that as well and I perfectly agree for
ftp*.d.o, but after having thought about that I fear that cdn.d.n will
not be affected :-(

Anyway, until the internal mirror is not ready, this is vaporware.

>> Second question not related to DebConf12: is the current setup OK or it
>> should be adjusted WRT the UCA mirror?
>
> I was told in April/May that in the past that mirror was very unreliable, 
> thats why noone was using it. 
>
> Maybe this has changed, maybe not. I suggest to talk to locals about this 
> first, before changing cdn.d.n.

You were right, I was testing a wheezy installation via d1_alpha1 amd64
CD-1 plus debian.uni.edu.ni and I got "Encountered a section with no
Package: header" for Translation-* files.  I then switched to
cdn.debian.net (which resolved to 200.75.30.181) and the installation
finished (slowly) fine.

Just forget my request for debian.uni.edu.ni, then :-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] cdn.debian.net pointing at .mit.edu mirror from DC12 connections

[Luca Capello]

Hi Araki-san!

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:29:33 -0600, Yasuhiro Araki wrote:
> I welcome to optimize cdn.debian.net for DebConf12.

Thank you very much :-)

> I don't include debian.uni.edu.ni as candidates of cdn.debian.net.
> Because debian.uni.edu.ni does not provide full architecture of Debian.
>
> Do you know near Debian mirror from locate of DebConf12?

There should be the El Salvador mirror:
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$ traceroute -A ftp.sv.debian.org
traceroute to ftp.sv.debian.org (190.5.145.84), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  172.30.15.1 (172.30.15.1) [AS7603]  1.646 ms  1.710 ms  1.802 ms
 2  WiMax128-161.yota.com.ni (190.181.128.161) [AS52242]  5.269 ms  5.381 ms  
5.955 ms
 3  10.202.128.9 (10.202.128.9) [AS65534]  7.574 ms  10.218 ms  10.337 ms
 4  gige-3-7.usa.brx-edge03.columbus-networks.com (63.245.92.57) 
[AS26619/AS23520]  54.265 ms  54.453 ms  54.644 ms
 5  ge-1-0-2.gt.gtm-cngtc-mx01.columbus-networks.com (63.245.5.202) [AS23520]  
81.414 ms  82.907 ms  83.031 ms
 6  168.234.49.150 (168.234.49.150) [AS8151/AS20299]  83.560 ms  73.786 ms  
198.493 ms
 7  ip-61-046.guate.net.gt (200.12.61.46) [AS28545/AS20299/AS6487]  203.243 ms  
203.822 ms  204.028 ms
 8  ip168-243-225-26.intercom.com.sv (168.243.225.26) [AS11531]  204.604 ms  
204.788 ms  206.225 ms
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  190.5.145.84 (190.5.145.84) [AS16592]  231.058 ms  231.205 ms  231.414 ms
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> Could you check ping and "traceroute -a hostname".

I guess you meant "-A", "-a" gives an error.

> And please send result to me for following site?

Wi-Fi connection now:
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$ ip a s wlan0
3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:19:d2:07:2c:a0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 172.30.20.76/16 brd 172.30.255.255 scope global wlan0
inet6 fe80::219:d2ff:fe07:2ca0/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever


> * ftp.utexas.edu

=
$ traceroute -A ftp.utexas.edu
traceroute to ftp.utexas.edu (146.6.54.21), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  172.30.15.1 (172.30.15.1) [AS7603]  135.086 ms  131.361 ms  135.097 ms
 2  WiMax128-161.yota.com.ni (190.181.128.161) [AS52242]  140.568 ms *  140.856 
ms
 3  10.202.128.9 (10.202.128.9) [AS65534]  140.970 ms  141.686 ms  142.928 ms
 4  gige-3-7.usa.brx-edge03.columbus-networks.com (63.245.92.57) 
[AS26619/AS23520]  195.287 ms  195.629 ms  195.781 ms
 5  xe-0-1-3.usa.brx-teracore01.columbus-networks.com (63.245.5.158) [AS23520]  
195.022 ms  195.442 ms  195.752 ms
 6  144.224.115.193 (144.224.115.193) [*]  242.493 ms  111.670 ms  87.088 ms
 7  sl-crs1-mia-0-0-0-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.2.189) [*]  97.622 ms 
sl-crs2-mia-0-8-0-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.139) [*]  84.842 ms  85.101 ms
^[[B 8  144.232.18.234 (144.232.18.234) [*]  50.400 ms 
te-4-1.car4.Miami1.Level3.net (4.68.62.77) [AS3356]  47.562 ms  50.534 ms
 9  ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net (4.69.138.91) [AS3356]  46.420 ms  46.543 
ms  46.819 ms
10  ae-2-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.140.133) [AS3356]  79.151 ms  80.484 
ms  80.805 ms
11  ae-61-61.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.151.125) [AS3356]  83.930 ms 
ae-71-71.csw2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.151.137) [AS3356]  123.629 ms 
ae-81-81.csw3.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.151.149) [AS3356]  118.441 ms
12  ae-2-70.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.72) [AS3356]  83.775 ms 
ae-1-60.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.8) [AS3356]  83.221 ms  82.966 ms
13  4.71.198.54 (4.71.198.54) [AS3356]  82.944 ms  82.678 ms  80.116 ms
14  aust-utnoc-core-ge-0-0-0-761.tx-bb.net (192.124.227.202) [AS6922]  83.886 
ms  85.076 ms  86.911 ms
15  ser2-v60.gw.utexas.edu (192.12.10.2) [AS6922/AS27765]  86.936 ms  83.898 ms 
 84.387 ms
16  ser9-v703.gw.utexas.edu (128.83.9.1) [AS18]  90.208 ms  90.272 ms  86.743 ms
17  udcc-cw7b-eth1-7-noca9.gw.utexas.edu (146.6.9.194) [AS18]  85.061 ms  
85.449 ms  85.150 ms
18  * * *
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  * * *
26  * * *
27  * * *
28  * * *
29  * * *
30  * * *
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> * mirrors.ucr.ac.cr

=
$ traceroute -A mirrors.ucr.ac.cr
traceroute to mirrors.ucr.ac.cr (163.178.174.25), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  172.30.15.1 (172.30.15.1) [AS7603]  5.867 ms  6.949 ms  7.026 ms
 2  WiMax128-161.yota.com.ni (190.181.128.161) [AS52242]  7.465 ms  8.307 ms  
8.773 ms
 3  10.202.128.9 (10.202.128.9) [AS65534]  8.969 ms  22.932 ms  32.594 ms
 4  gige-3-7.usa.brx-edge03.columbus-networks.com (63.245.92.57) 
[AS26619/AS23520]  75.635 ms  76.075 ms  76.541 ms
 5  xe-0-1-3.usa.brx-teracore01.columbus-networks.com (63.245.5.158) [AS23520]  
93.889 ms  106.600 ms  139.510 ms
 6  63.245.5.211 (63.245.5.211) [AS23520]  139.688 ms  46.498 ms  48.327 ms
 7  63.245.94.54 (63.245.94.54) [AS26619/AS23520]  95.630 ms  95.771 ms  95.878 
ms
 8  201.193.80.25 (201.193.80.25) [AS11830]  100.560 ms  101.162 ms  101.361 ms
 9  201.193.86.157 (201.193.86.157) [AS11830]  102.244 ms  102.415 ms  102.543 
ms
10  200.91.108.2 (200.91.108.2) [AS11830]  102.652 ms  103.333 ms  103.523 ms
11  201.193.81.86 (201.193.81.86) [AS11830]  101.320 ms  101.496 ms  

[Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Black umbrellas and SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

The rainy season seems to have arrived in Managua as well, so the Debian
Jacket will be quite useful:

  
  

However, if you did not order it and you still want to protect yourself,
there are some black Debian umbrellas available in the hacklab.

Moreover, if your Debian T-Shirt collection is still missing it, there
are black and blue SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts, too.

Pictures of the two items are available at:

  

Please look for me (the bearded kilted guy) before 2012-07-09 (Monday).

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Black umbrellas and SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:54:26 -0600, Luca Capello wrote:
> However, if you did not order it and you still want to protect yourself,
> there are some black Debian umbrellas available in the hacklab.

The umbrellas finished, "thanks" to the rainy season ;-)

>
> Moreover, if your Debian T-Shirt collection is still missing it, there
> are black and blue SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts, too.

I still have some.

And with my first email I forgot to add that I also have *one* Debian
Swiss Army Knife, a black CyberTool 29:

  <http://blog.mraw.org/2012/02/22/Wrench_days/>

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [MERCHANDISE] Black umbrellas and SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 10:46:23 -0600, Luca Capello wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:54:26 -0600, Luca Capello wrote:
>> However, if you did not order it and you still want to protect yourself,
>> there are some black Debian umbrellas available in the hacklab.
>
> The umbrellas finished, "thanks" to the rainy season ;-)

Actually, there is still one white available, if I will not be there
anymore ask it to cate.

>> Moreover, if your Debian T-Shirt collection is still missing it, there
>> are black and blue SpaceFun/squeeze T-Shirts, too.
>
> I still have some.

Still available: 1 blue M, 1 blue L and 3 black L.

The above, according to my recordings, means that 2 black M are missing
or, if you want to read it correctly, they have been stolen.  If anyone
knows something or took/sold them, can she/he simply tell me (even
*anonymously*), so at least I know that I am not going crazy [1]?

[1] I checked three different times, both my recordings and the
T-Shirts, just to be sure that it is not an error from my side.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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[Debconf-discuss] Early thanks for DebConf12

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

As some of you probably noticed, I left DebConf12 early and arrived
safely at home after a 24-hour/3-airplane/1-train travel.

I would like to thanks everyone for very nice time spent there and this
time especially the localteam: Norman, Felix, Fernanda, Diana, Rodrigo,
Gema, Alfonso, Leandro, Aura, $ANYONE_I_HAVE_FORGOT.  I followed the
DebConf12 preparation and I had the chance to be there before DebCamp
started (very nice hospitality) and thus witnessed the late stress.

You guys rocked, even when some of us where start to panic: MANY THANKS.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf12 Mass OpenPGP Keysigning: 18:00 Thursday, July 12 in Roberto Terán

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:57:52 +0200, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> We're going to try something a different this time around.  Please
> bring blank paper, a pen, and a trustworthy computer with a reasonable
> operating system and gpg installed, capable of either wireless
> networking or reading data off a USB stick.  Please make sure your
> computer's battery is charged.

I was not there, so take this for future reference.

I would have objected to this kind of keysigning for the last part,
because it means that people who does not have a computer capable of
"wireless" power (i.e. no AC power) can not participate.  And this was
the case for DebConf12 for me: my 4-year-old X60 extended battery died
just before leaving Europe and thus I was "wired" as much as I could.
And, for obvious reasons, I do not trust any computer who does not
belong to me for everything which is OpenPGP/TLS.

I am for any kind of experiment for keysigning, but can we please
announce them *before* any DebCamp/DebConf?

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf12 Mass OpenPGP Keysigning: 18:00 Thursday, July 12 in Roberto T erán

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:38:11 +0200, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Luca Capello writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce]
> DebConf12 Mass OpenPGP Keysigning: 18:00 Thursday, July 12 in Roberto
> T erán"):
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:57:52 +0200, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>> > We're going to try something a different this time around.  Please
>> > bring blank paper, a pen, and a trustworthy computer with a reasonable
>> > operating system and gpg installed, capable of either wireless
>> > networking or reading data off a USB stick.  Please make sure your
>> > computer's battery is charged.
> ...
>> I would have objected to this kind of keysigning for the last part,
>> because it means that people who does not have a computer capable of
>> "wireless" power (i.e. no AC power) can not participate.
>
> Keysigning parties are already difficult enough logistially without
> making it a requirement to cope with everybody's technological
> deficiencies (or for that matter special procedural opinions or
> whatever).  Or to put it another way, being excluded from
> participation in a keysigning party for an arbitrary reason is not a
> big hardship.  If you need your key signed for some reason, or want to
> sign keys, you can do so in an ad-hoc manner.

It was really sad for me to read such a reply when I simply asked for
beforehand announcements of the procedure in the quote you missed:

>> I am for any kind of experiment for keysigning, but can we please
>> announce them *before* any DebCamp/DebConf?

And just to be clear: I do not need my key signed, but as I did in an
ad-hoc manner at DebConf12 I am happy to improve the Web of Trust.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf12 Mass OpenPGP Keysigning: 18:00 Thursday, July 12 in Roberto T erán

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:33:16 +0200, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On 07/19/2012 04:10 PM, Luca Capello wrote:
>> It was really sad for me to read such a reply when I simply asked for
>> beforehand announcements of the procedure in the quote you missed:
>
> yes, the changes should have been announced earlier, and this delay was
> my fault for not having worked it out more clearly further in advance.
> I apologize, and hope to improve that in the future.

THANK YOU for the above and for your efforts in keysigning procedures.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] Debian Kids Camp for DebConf-next

[Luca Capello]

Hi there!

I should admit that I lost track of where all this should be discussed,
I would say that a wiki page in Category:DebConf13 would be the best:

  

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:07:42 +0200, Hector Oron wrote:
> 2012/7/18 Gunnar Wolf :
>> About accomodation: Not counting camping, we have space for 325 people
>> in Le Camp. Being in Central Europe, it is not impossible that we get
>> that number of attendees. Can we dare to provide lodging, possibly
>> against our desired attendance?
>
> Was there a possibility to camp outdoors? That might help lowering the
> threshold here. Also making a note.

This is currently being discussed with 'Le Camp' and we are sorry we do
no have a definitive answer yet.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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