Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Open Weekend: 2 - 3 July 2016, Cape Town
Hi all The Open weekend is getting more structure. It is now called the Open Festival :) https://debconf16.debconf.org/open-festival/ On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Bdale Garbee wrote: > Bernelle Verster writes: > >> Please add your thoughts, ideas, suggestions to the wiki page, or on >> this thread, regardless of if you plan to attend or not. > > If you'd like me to reprise the 'Understanding Debian' talk I've given > before at Debconf open days in various forms, let me know. Wouldn't be > hard for me to pull a fresh copy together, but I'm not excited about > doing the work unless it's actually wanted. > > Another thought might be some sort of panel discussion with some of us > crazy-long-timer Debian folks answering questions? Some of my favorite > Debconf memories are such Q&A sessions, like the one we had in Brazil > that Amaya and others reminded me of in the wake of Ian's passing. bdale's suggestion of a panel discussion was met with much excitement. We are planning two panel discussions for Saturday, 2 July, in the morning before the job fair, targeted to (at least include) non-technical audience, with possibly a panel discussion towards the end of DebConf catering to the more technical Debianites. The first is a panel discussion about open hardware, that Andy Simpkins and I got very excited about last Saturday. It would be great to have more people on that panel - we were thinking e.g. Steve McIntyre, noodles, bdale (although bdale would then be in two panel discussions back to back) and wookey (but wookey is not attending). Please feel free to join in. I expect this to be about 45 minutes to 1 hour. The second is where I would love bdale to participate, if the offer still stands? Our tentative title is "What is Open Source and how does Debian fit in to that". Again, more panel members would be greatly appreciated. I can coordinate the panel and make sure that us noobs understand (at least some of the) content :) I expect this to be 30 to 45 minutes in length. Then the panel discussion towards the end which I think would be really valuable and enjoyable as a way to close DebConf? Please direct general input to -discuss, and specific input to the relevant people only. regards B > > Bdale ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:12:15AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc16/ksp-dc16.txt > https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc16/ksp-dc16.txt.sha256 > https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc16/ksp-dc16.txt.sha256.asc It's too late for this now, but for future reference: #117 Wouter Verhelst (rank: 45 ) [ ] Fingerprint(s) OK[ ] ID OK pub rsa4096/2DFC519954181296 2016-04-11 [SC] Key fingerprint = 9B69 FDF3 F0DA 0948 0661 29F7 2DFC 5199 5418 1296 uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst pub rsa4096/1B0006256FB29164 2009-12-09 [SC] Key fingerprint = CF62 318D 5BBE D48F 33AC D543 1B00 0625 6FB2 9164 uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst uid Wouter Verhelst vs sec rsa4096/1B0006256FB29164 2009-12-09 [SC] uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Work) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Debian) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (FOSDEM) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Legacy e-mail) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (XMPP only) uid [ultimate] [jpeg image of size 1999] ssb rsa4096/272F86A2876F244E 2009-12-09 [E] ssb rsa4096/C2940F951BDF0A9D 2009-12-09 [S] sec> rsa4096/2DFC519954181296 2016-04-11 [SC] Card serial no. = 0005 4736 uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (XMPP only) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Debian) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Work) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (FOSDEM) uid [ultimate] Wouter Verhelst (Legacy e-mail) uid [ultimate] [jpeg image of size 3055] ssb> rsa4096/965E159D1F28844B 2016-04-11 [A] ssb> rsa4096/EBC4535B0557DB14 2016-04-11 [E] note the "XMPP only" bit on some of the UIDs; i.e., I don't (often) read mail sent there. Comments *are* part of the UID, and should *not* be dropped. -- < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules, and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too. -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts
Hi all, On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 04:32:27PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > Started a wiki page for this so that others can easily find this information > > too as it becomes available: > > > > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tennis > > Tennis wiki updated > :) So, the verdict is: - We don't pay for use of the courts (but they need to be booked, and will be less available during weekends than during weekdays) - We do pay for rental of rackets and/or buying balls, and they do somewhat expect you to drink something in their bar (which does not feature free beer). Given that, I think doing a little tournament would be nice. I'll even volunteer to officiate the final[1][2]. However, TTBOMK so far only four people have expressed interest in playing some tennis, which wouldn't be enough, really. If somewhere between 6 and 8 people sign up for a tournament, we could do a pool-type tournament with two groups, with the winner of each pool playing the final. That would mean every participant would need to play 2 (6 or 7 players) or 3 (7 or 8 players), with the winners of each group playing one more match (the final). If more than that sign up, doing a pool-type tournament would probably not be realistic anymore, and we'll fall back to a knock-out tournament instead. Thoughts? Interested participants? [1] http://grep.be/blog/en/life/new_jobs, http://grep.be/blog/en/life/tennis/whoo/, and http://www.tennisvlaanderen.be/dashboard?userId=779163 [2] provided I'm not one of the finalists myself ;-) -- < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules, and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too. -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Laptop to give away @dc16: HP 630
Hey, I have a HP 630 notebook to give away. If someone wants to put it to good use to further Free Software, it's yours. http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-630-15-6-p-p6200-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd-series/specs/ It's not a high-performance machine, nor is it light or very portable: - Dual-core Intel Celeron @1.5GHz - 4Gb RAM - 300G harddrive - HDMI, SD-MMC, VGA, LAN, USB, DVD-RAM - US-English keyboard If you want it, drop me a line by Friday and I'll bring it along. -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf16: Cape Town: http://debconf16.debconf.org DebConf17: Montreal: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi all, > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 04:32:27PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> > Started a wiki page for this so that others can easily find this >> > information >> > too as it becomes available: >> > >> > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tennis >> >> Tennis wiki updated >> :) > > So, the verdict is: > - We don't pay for use of the courts (but they need to be booked, and > will be less available during weekends than during weekdays) > - We do pay for rental of rackets and/or buying balls, and they do > somewhat expect you to drink something in their bar (which does not > feature free beer). > > Given that, I think doing a little tournament would be nice. I'll even > volunteer to officiate the final[1][2]. However, TTBOMK so far only four > people have expressed interest in playing some tennis, which wouldn't be > enough, really. > > If somewhere between 6 and 8 people sign up for a tournament, we could > do a pool-type tournament with two groups, with the winner of each pool > playing the final. That would mean every participant would need to play > 2 (6 or 7 players) or 3 (7 or 8 players), with the winners of each group > playing one more match (the final). > > If more than that sign up, doing a pool-type tournament would probably > not be realistic anymore, and we'll fall back to a knock-out tournament > instead. > > Thoughts? Interested participants? I'd be keen (for the excuse to drink after exercise), but my ball sense has never been good (comically so), so I'm just signing up to get the numbers up. I also discovered two rackets, but I am not sure if they're intended for tennis or some other small ball sport. I'll bring them along anyway. > > [1] http://grep.be/blog/en/life/new_jobs, > http://grep.be/blog/en/life/tennis/whoo/, and > http://www.tennisvlaanderen.be/dashboard?userId=779163 > [2] provided I'm not one of the finalists myself ;-) > > -- > < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen >people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules, >and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too. > -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12 > > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laptop to give away @dc16: HP 630
Hi On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:26 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > Hey, > > I have a HP 630 notebook to give away. If someone wants to put it to > good use to further Free Software, it's yours. > > http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-630-15-6-p-p6200-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd-series/specs/ > > It's not a high-performance machine, nor is it light or very > portable: > > - Dual-core Intel Celeron @1.5GHz > - 4Gb RAM > - 300G harddrive > - HDMI, SD-MMC, VGA, LAN, USB, DVD-RAM > - US-English keyboard > > If you want it, drop me a line by Friday and I'll bring it along. Please bring it, there are community groups here in Cape Town who can use it if no one else wants it. > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: http://debconf16.debconf.org > DebConf17: Montreal: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts
Hello, On 27 June 2016 at 13:24, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi all, > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 04:32:27PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> > Started a wiki page for this so that others can easily find this >> > information >> > too as it becomes available: >> > >> > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tennis >> >> Tennis wiki updated >> :) > > So, the verdict is: > - We don't pay for use of the courts (but they need to be booked, and > will be less available during weekends than during weekdays) > - We do pay for rental of rackets and/or buying balls, and they do > somewhat expect you to drink something in their bar (which does not > feature free beer). > > Given that, I think doing a little tournament would be nice. I'll even > volunteer to officiate the final[1][2]. However, TTBOMK so far only four > people have expressed interest in playing some tennis, which wouldn't be > enough, really. > > If somewhere between 6 and 8 people sign up for a tournament, we could > do a pool-type tournament with two groups, with the winner of each pool > playing the final. That would mean every participant would need to play > 2 (6 or 7 players) or 3 (7 or 8 players), with the winners of each group > playing one more match (the final). > > If more than that sign up, doing a pool-type tournament would probably > not be realistic anymore, and we'll fall back to a knock-out tournament > instead. > > Thoughts? Interested participants? I bought 4 balls from Decathlon, dusted my racket and packed it to bring with me to debconf. I will be there in Cape Town 2-9th only though. -- Regards, Dimitri. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Sending postcards
Hi debconf-discuss, I managed to send some postcards earlier. Here is the procedure that I worked out for anyone else with filial duties: a) Bought cards from the UCT shop. These are actually greetings cards, not postcards (ie. so they can stand up like " /\ ") so I had to cut them in half. They were probably 10 ZAR each. b) Went to the post office and ask for an "international postcard stamp". It cost 17 ZAR for 2. c) Posted it in the British-style red postbox immediately outside. Hope that helps someone. Regards, -- ,''`. : :' : Chris Lamb `. `'` la...@debian.org / chris-lamb.co.uk `- ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Discuss: where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware?
Hi all If you are interested in open hardware, please indulge me. The context: On our trip to the Honingklip brewery, Andy and I got talking about open hardware, a big mutual passion. The conversation continued all through the trip. I would like to write this up as a blogpost, and a draft is copied below. This email is mainly for Andy, Marc, Mark and Graham to give input, but why not build on the discussion with the whole of DebConf? The purpose of the blogpost is not to be decisive on an opinion, but to give an idea of the tensions at play. If there are other posts out there about this topic, I'd appreciate links to them too. (There is also a panel discussion on Saturday 2 July where we can pick up on this more formally) best regards Bernelle == DebConf16: Where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware? pre-amble - great beer at Honingklip, a brewery that is a good example of open hardware. But what does this mean? At the most basic level, it is about what is available. What is manufactured, and how available are the units once these are not manufactured commercially anymore? There are different levels to consider, including the platform used and the chip architecture. The CPU (central processing unit), I/O (input/output) The thing that it boots from, e.g. an ARM64 tech alpha instruction set. The questions to ask when you need to determine your own level of "openness": - At what level are you willing to buy it? - Can I reproduce this at home? (And this is relative, comes back to the question of, at what point am I willing to buy (some of) the components? Now the units are running stuff we can't even see, it is too complex to analyze. What does it mean to be open? - To be accessible, hackable - To give a 'How To' manual with the hardware, to say what they did, and how the user could do the same thing, explaining how it works. - Open is about the idea that you can at least try to reproduce something. - To share your design, and let other people comment on that design. But, to implement the design, you need money. Hardware is different from software in it's materiality. Software scales exponentially: once you made something, you can sell every new unit with a very small increase in cost. Hardware scales linearly. While the overall cost of design per unit reduces with the more units you produce, there is still a cost associated with each new unit produced. There is material cost, and cost of production, time on a machine, electricity, labour, shipping... There is a difference between 'telling' people something, and 'giving' people something. A challenge to hardware is that it is more and more integrated, and if you want to do a thing, you need to pay someone to do it for you. We then chatted about what to do about this. Appropriate level of complexity is one clear argument. There was talk about overspecification. The metaphor of music cassette tapes were used: they are no longer made, but they may be appropriate for simple applications. You need, for example, a 74 series TTL to control temperature, an Arduino is already much too complicated. There was something about the difficulty of achieving/maintaining open hardware standards, this was a more fuzzy second argument. On the way back from Honingklip we spoke about that hardware always forces a compromise. You can work, for example, on C++, but you still need to rely on something else to compile it. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Discuss: where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware?
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > DebConf16: Where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware? Some links related to this topic: http://riscv.org/ http://www.lowrisc.org/ http://fairphone.com/ http://opencores.org/ https://neo900.org/resources http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4751 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=284 https://features.slashdot.org/story/14/08/21/0334254/interviews-andrew-bunnie-huang-answers-your-questions https://lwn.net/Articles/688751/ http://sharps.org/wp-content/uploads/BECKER-CHES.pdf -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 02:05:18PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > It's too late for this now, but for future reference: > [...] > note the "XMPP only" bit on some of the UIDs; i.e., I don't (often) read mail > sent there. > > Comments *are* part of the UID, and should *not* be dropped. Hi, Since the comments are part of the UID, people will definitely see them in gpg: that they are not printed in the paper list is not very relevant. Moreover, comments on UIDs are somewhat problematic: as you pointed out, comments are part of UIDs. Where I to sign “Wouter Verhelst (Legacy e-mail) ”, am I certifying that this is your “legacy” mail address? How would I even check? (In my particular case, I publish a signing policy stating I do not certify comments, but that's more of a kludge than anything.) You can also look at dkg's take on this [0]: https://debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/97 Best, nicoo [0] I used to have similar comments on my UIDs, and he is the one who convinced me not to do so. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Discuss: where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware?
On 27/06/16 15:05, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > If you are interested in open hardware, please indulge me. > The context: > On our trip to the Honingklip brewery, Andy and I got talking about > open hardware, a big mutual passion. The conversation continued all > through the trip. > > I would like to write this up as a blogpost, and a draft is copied below. > > This email is mainly for Andy, Marc, Mark and Graham to give input, > but why not build on the discussion with the whole of DebConf? > > The purpose of the blogpost is not to be decisive on an opinion, but > to give an idea of the tensions at play. > > If there are other posts out there about this topic, I'd appreciate > links to them too. > > (There is also a panel discussion on Saturday 2 July where we can pick > up on this more formally) > > best regards > Bernelle > > == > > DebConf16: Where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware? > > pre-amble - great beer at Honingklip, a brewery that is a good example > of open hardware. But what does this mean? > > At the most basic level, it is about what is available. What is > manufactured, and how available are the units once these are not > manufactured commercially anymore? > > There are different levels to consider, including the platform used > and the chip architecture. > The CPU (central processing unit), I/O (input/output) > The thing that it boots from, e.g. an ARM64 tech alpha instruction set. > > The questions to ask when you need to determine your own level of "openness": > - At what level are you willing to buy it? > - Can I reproduce this at home? (And this is relative, comes back to > the question of, at what point am I willing to buy (some of) the > components? > > Now the units are running stuff we can't even see, it is too complex to > analyze. > > What does it mean to be open? > - To be accessible, hackable > - To give a 'How To' manual with the hardware, to say what they did, > and how the user could do the same thing, explaining how it works. > - Open is about the idea that you can at least try to reproduce something. > - To share your design, and let other people comment on that design. > > But, to implement the design, you need money. Hardware is different > from software in it's materiality. Software scales exponentially: once > you made something, you can sell every new unit with a very small > increase in cost. Hardware scales linearly. While the overall cost of > design per unit reduces with the more units you produce, there is > still a cost associated with each new unit produced. There is material > cost, and cost of production, time on a machine, electricity, labour, > shipping... There is a difference between 'telling' people something, > and 'giving' people something. > > A challenge to hardware is that it is more and more integrated, and if > you want to do a thing, you need to pay someone to do it for you. > > We then chatted about what to do about this. Appropriate level of > complexity is one clear argument. > > There was talk about overspecification. The metaphor of music cassette > tapes were used: they are no longer made, but they may be appropriate > for simple applications. > You need, for example, a 74 series TTL to control temperature, an > Arduino is already much too complicated. > > There was something about the difficulty of achieving/maintaining open > hardware standards, this was a more fuzzy second argument. > > On the way back from Honingklip we spoke about that hardware always > forces a compromise. You can work, for example, on C++, but you still > need to rely on something else to compile it. > So in an ideal world... Hardware would be Open and Free (libre). - Everything from the ground up is available and free to access, use, change as you see fit. - Licence is permissive and inclusive - A/The community is able to refine materials, produce components, Silicon wafer, package it, fabricate boards, populate boards, write and debug any firmware, and then move into the very bottom of the open source software stack Of course even if this IS the case is it feasible to manufacture everything yourself? certainly not. First of all this is a very broad subject area. Forget SoCs and VLSI for the moment the materials science just to understand and build simple passive components and semiconductors (a simple diode for example) is one serious curve to climb, and what you'll end up with is something that is very clunky, unreliable and physically much larger than anything that you can purchase today. never mind the plant and facilities you will need - and yes truly open means that that should be open as well "Turtles all the way down". Sure you could perhaps build this yourself, but would anyone ever do this? Individual people MAY be interested in some or many of the steps (hopefully we can build diverse enough communities to be able to do this before we need to re-bootstrap humanity). Now we are looking at a comparable
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 05:12:42PM +0200, Nicolas Braud-Santoni wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 02:05:18PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > It's too late for this now, but for future reference: > > [...] > > note the "XMPP only" bit on some of the UIDs; i.e., I don't (often) read > > mail > > sent there. > > > > Comments *are* part of the UID, and should *not* be dropped. > > Hi, > > Since the comments are part of the UID, people will definitely see > them in gpg: that they are not printed in the paper list is not > very relevant. I think it is. > Moreover, comments on UIDs are somewhat problematic: as you pointed out, > comments are part of UIDs. Where I to sign “Wouter Verhelst (Legacy > e-mail) ”, am I certifying that this is your “legacy” > mail address? How would I even check? You can't, but that's not the point. > (In my particular case, I publish a signing policy stating I do not > certify comments, but that's more of a kludge than anything.) > > You can also look at dkg's take on this [0]: > > https://debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/97 He makes some valid points, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should drop comments in lists of keys for signing parties. They exist, they are part of the UID, and they have some valid uses (even if they're mostly misused today). The fact that they often contain junk does not change that. -- < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules, and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too. -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa
On Mon 2016-06-27 13:46:16 -0400, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 05:12:42PM +0200, Nicolas Braud-Santoni wrote: > >> https://debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/97 > > He makes some valid points, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should > drop comments in lists of keys for signing parties. They exist, they are > part of the UID, and they have some valid uses (even if they're mostly > misused today). The fact that they often contain junk does not change > that. fwiw, when generating lists for the KSP, i think we should include comments just to make it easier to tease people who have unncessary comments in their User IDs, and thereby discourage the practice :) --dkg, sad to miss seeing everyone in person over the coming week ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] 5km parkrun: Saturday morning 8:00am
I mis-read (intentionally) it as -much-as-you-can-walk thing. Hopefully we get more people for this ;-) On 25 Jun 2016 06:11, "Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" wrote: > Hi Shirish > > On 24/06/2016 20:50, shirish शिरीष wrote: > > at bottom :- > > > > On 24/06/2016, Tomasz Buchert wrote: > >> On 24/06/16 14:36, Eugene Zhukov wrote: > >> Same here! > >> > >> Tomasz > >> > > > > + 1 > > Please snip out old/irrelevant content so that we don't have to scroll > down 50 lines to see one line of reply. > > Thanks! > > -Jonathan > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebCamp Kick-off tomorrow at 11:00 SAST
Will there be any stream or such i can tune in to via vlc as i will still be in Sweden and working and not in South Africa ? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Dear Debianites > > If you're in Cape Town already, welcome! > > Tomorrow, we're kicking off DebCamp at 11:00 SAST (9:00 UTC) inside the > Fuller Hall courtyard area. > > We'll do a short kick-off followed by some introductions and a tour of > the facilities. > > == Internet! == > > Conference Wifi has been set up! The SSID is DebConf16. For the > password, either ask anyone else already here or find it on the orange > poster outside the Fuller dining area. > > == Power strips / adaptors == > > Power strips will be deployed tomorrow, if you don't yet have a South > African power adaptor, you can buy one from the front desk. They're > available between R15 and R50 (around €1 to €3) depending on which one > you need. > > == Venue == > > We'll give a tour of the hacklabs and show you where to get food, coffee > and beer. In the meantime, we're putting up some mini maps on: > > https://debconf16.debconf.org/about/debconf/ > > == Wiki page == > > Feel free to edit the DebCamp wiki page with any pertinent information > you'd like to share: > > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebCamp > > == Contact == > > Anything we missed? Please ask: > > * E-mail: debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > * IRC: #debconf on oftc > > -Jonathan on behalf of the DebConf 16 team > ___ > Debconf-announce mailing list > debconf-annou...@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-announce ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
