Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
at bottom :- On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster wrote: > hi > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan > wrote: >> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility >> of >> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together? > > I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a > Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of > requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would > include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc > as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I > can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull > together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great > to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would > sell the idea well) > > Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be > prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and > nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a > wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please? > Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ? > Dear Bernelle, The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and which would require lot more work. Having said that, have made a crude page at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active. Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good. Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125) budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ? -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
thanks Shirish On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, shirish शिरीष wrote: > at bottom :- > > On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> hi >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan >> wrote: >>> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility >>> of >>> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together? >> >> I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a >> Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of >> requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would >> include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc >> as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I >> can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull >> together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great >> to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would >> sell the idea well) >> >> Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be >> prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and >> nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a >> wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please? >> Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ? >> > > Dear Bernelle, > > The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been > working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would > be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and > which would require lot more work. Jonas is also a purist, which is great, but I think in this context and with the time limit, we need to look at what is agreeable without being too ideological. Have a look at the ShowMeBox stuff, Jonas and others did a lot of work there. Unfortunately the ShowMeBox as it is currently envisaged may not make it to DebConf16, but this idea may incorporate some of it. https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox > > Having said that, have made a crude page at > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware > > Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn > > Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these > smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There > is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list > https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think > a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in > Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active. > > > Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and > f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest > going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which > has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we > are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good. I think the goal here would be to play, and get broader interest in hacking, open hardware. After the Open Weekend, this can become more technical and purist :) > > Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125) > budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to > Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ? > > > > -- > Regards, > Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल > My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com > EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 3:02 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote: > There is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list > https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think > a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in > Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active. > Debian doesn't support mobile devices because Linux mainline doesn't support them and probably never will until the mobile device upgrade cycle starts slowing down. Android bits in main won't fix that, but it will eventually allow us to build Android apps on our laptops and potentially run Android apps on our Debian laptops. https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools > Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125) > budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to > Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ? Due to various factors, making a phone support Debian properly will require more time than it takes that phone to become obsolete. Of course you can easily get any Android phone that is GPL compliant to run some parts of Debian in a very hacky way. https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/ https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/GNU_on_Smartphones_part_II/ https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
Quoting Bernelle Verster (2016-06-02 09:17:56) > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, shirish शिरीष > wrote: >> The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been >> working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would >> be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy >> and which would require lot more work. No, the Debian experts on embedded stuff are the emdebian folks! > Jonas is also a purist, which is great, but I think in this context > and with the time limit, we need to look at what is agreeable without > being too ideological. Have a look at the ShowMeBox stuff, Jonas and > others did a lot of work there. Unfortunately the ShowMeBox as it is > currently envisaged may not make it to DebConf16, but this idea may > incorporate some of it. > https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox Thanks - I consider "purist" as a compliment. :-) You will sure need to be pragmatic to get things working fast. But you will also need to be realistic. My biggest concern with the things mentioned by Shirish is not how challenging those devices are to tinker with using purely Debian, but how challenging they are to tinker with _at_ _all_. - Jonas P.S. Incidentally, I will attend a haccker session this weekend with the GTA04 developers - i.e. the successor to OpenMoko. No, that doesn't make me an expert on that device: I offer help _packaging_ the code for the device. -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
Paul Wise wrote: > Debian doesn't support mobile devices because Linux mainline doesn't > support them and probably never will until the mobile device upgrade > cycle starts slowing down. That may be true of /mainstream/ mobile devices. But the Nokia N900 shipped in 2009 with a Debian-derived OS, and even this year I see recent commits to mainline Linux kernel and debian-installer for that device. If it's possible to run pure Debian on these devices now, that may be the sort of thing that Shirish wanted to showcase? Jonas mentioned Openmoko and GTA04 already. The Pyra handheld (with LTE modem) by Dragonbox likely won't ship until after DebConf16, but the OS being developed for it is a very clean Debian armhf rootfs. Maybe someone could bring a PocketCHIP to DebConf, if those ship anytime soon. Before having an N900, I had a Sharp Zaurus clam-shell handheld (which is not a phone), but pure Debian could be installed on that too IIRC. Debian has for a long time been a good alternative OS for handhelds, it is just rare that they ship with 'pure' Debian preinstalled (for even a quite liberal definition of pure). Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] DebConf16: Second call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa
DebConf16: Second Call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa As part of the 17th Debian Conference in Cape Town, South Africa there will be OpenPGP (pgp/gpg) keysignings. If you intend to participate in the DebConf16 keysignings, please send your ascii armored public key as explained at [0] no later than 23:59 UTC/GMT/Zulu on Tuesday 21 June 2016. Please note the new date. You have two weeks and a couple of days to send your key. More (and up-to-date) information is available at [0], so keep watching it. [0] http://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc16/ksp-dc16.html If you have questions please send them to the mailing list at debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org. If you don't want to post to the mailing list, send your questions to ani...@debian.org, d...@debian.org and jul...@debian.org. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > That may be true of /mainstream/ mobile devices. But the Nokia N900 > shipped in 2009 with a Debian-derived OS, and even this year I see > recent commits to mainline Linux kernel and debian-installer for that > device. If it's possible to run pure Debian on these devices now, that > may be the sort of thing that Shirish wanted to showcase? Ack, but I'm not sure potential users would be convinced by Debian running on a 7 year old mobile device from before the iPhone era (keyboard instead of finger-oriented) with no warranty and a known to be brittle USB socket. Smartphone users I know are unwilling to even use Android due to software quality, them switching to an OS they have never heard of on non-mainstream devices seems like it will never happen. > Jonas mentioned Openmoko and GTA04 already. The Pyra handheld (with LTE > modem) by Dragonbox likely won't ship until after DebConf16, but the OS > being developed for it is a very clean Debian armhf rootfs. Maybe > someone could bring a PocketCHIP to DebConf, if those ship anytime soon. These devices are created by people somewhat related to the FLOSS world, so it makes sense that they would work on upstreaming Linux/bootloader support for them. The Pyra looks almost perfect but has PowerVR and won't have the same modem isolation/monitoring as the Neo900. I am really looking forward to the Neo900 existing (sigh PowerVR) but I'm not sure I will be able to afford it and many laptops are cheaper than it. > Before having an N900, I had a Sharp Zaurus clam-shell handheld (which > is not a phone), but pure Debian could be installed on that too IIRC. > Debian has for a long time been a good alternative OS for handhelds, it > is just rare that they ship with 'pure' Debian preinstalled (for even a > quite liberal definition of pure). I'm assuming the FLOSS community did the Linux/bootloader port to the Zaurus rather than Sharp doing it? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
