[Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi, I'm surprised to be able to attend after being certain I had a scheduling conflict, but I am. Unfortunately, investigating fares from NYC to Banja Luka in late July that are still available in mid-May is making me even more surprised about how expensive the trip is. Although I might ask for a bit of travel sponsorship, that doesn't scale well to everyone traveling from the US (or nearby parts of the Americas), and if I can find a way to reduce the cost by the amount of travel sponsorship I'd request, then those funds can go to peope who need it more. To that end, I'm wondering if I could get enough people interested in making a group booking from NYC [either EWR or JFK] on Saturday July 23rd <-> Zurich [ZRH] on Sunday July 24th, using one of the two Star Alliance flights arriving at 7:55am or 8:40am, and returning from Zurich at 1:00pm on the afternoon of Sunday July 31st. The other leg of the booking would be on B&H Airlines directly between Zurich and Banja Luka on the 24th and the 31st, with 1h55m or more of scheduled connection time in each direction at the Zurich airport. This would also remove the need to travel from Zagreb one of the other cities being discussed, bypassing the ground transportation confusion completely. Without any group discount, at published fares, this would cost $1700-2000+ even in economy class, based on my searching, or $1500+ if I want to accept an earlier departure time and an extra 1h10m layover in Amsterdam to save a couple hundred USD via Delta. For what it's worth, going via Zagreb or Ljubljana didn't seem to be reliably cheaper or faster from people starting in the US. If I can assemble a total group of at least 10 people who want to try this plan, I'm willing to contact some travel agents to see if they can get a better fare for us. More people will make this more likely to work; I've never done this kind of attempt before so I don't know the thresholds which apply. Does this sound appealing? Assuming at least 2 or 3 people say yes, I'll add it to the wiki tomorrow and reply to this thread with an URL to add yourself to. See you in July, I hope! - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hello, did you try to investigate prices to Zagreb or Sarajevo? Last year i got ticket Sarajevo-Istanbul-NYC and back for about 900$ Connections between Sarajevo or Zagreb to Banja Luka is not that complicated and hopefully we will write guidelines how to come from Sarajevo/Zagreb to Banja Luka. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi, > > I'm surprised to be able to attend after being certain I had a scheduling > conflict, but I am. Unfortunately, investigating fares from NYC to Banja > Luka > in late July that are still available in mid-May is making me even more > surprised about how expensive the trip is. Although I might ask for a bit > of > travel sponsorship, that doesn't scale well to everyone traveling from the > US > (or nearby parts of the Americas), and if I can find a way to reduce the > cost > by the amount of travel sponsorship I'd request, then those funds can go to > peope who need it more. > > To that end, I'm wondering if I could get enough people interested in > making a > group booking from NYC [either EWR or JFK] on Saturday July 23rd <-> Zurich > [ZRH] on Sunday July 24th, using one of the two Star Alliance flights > arriving > at 7:55am or 8:40am, and returning from Zurich at 1:00pm on the afternoon > of > Sunday July 31st. The other leg of the booking would be on B&H Airlines > directly between Zurich and Banja Luka on the 24th and the 31st, with 1h55m > or > more of scheduled connection time in each direction at the Zurich airport. > This > would also remove the need to travel from Zagreb one of the other cities > being > discussed, bypassing the ground transportation confusion completely. > > Without any group discount, at published fares, this would cost $1700-2000+ > even in economy class, based on my searching, or $1500+ if I want to accept > an > earlier departure time and an extra 1h10m layover in Amsterdam to save a > couple > hundred USD via Delta. For what it's worth, going via Zagreb or Ljubljana > didn't seem to be reliably cheaper or faster from people starting in the > US. > > If I can assemble a total group of at least 10 people who want to try this > plan, I'm willing to contact some travel agents to see if they can get a > better > fare for us. More people will make this more likely to work; I've never > done > this kind of attempt before so I don't know the thresholds which apply. > > Does this sound appealing? Assuming at least 2 or 3 people say yes, I'll > add it > to the wiki tomorrow and reply to this thread with an URL to add yourself > to. > > See you in July, I hope! > > - Jimmy Kaplowitz > ji...@debian.org > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
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Hi there.
On 2011-05-17 13:04, Sami Liedes wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 02:59:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> This is precisely the kind of response that I was complaining about.
>> What people need is INFORMATION, not reassurance.
>>
>> Those flying into Zagreb need to know when they book flights (which
>> ideally would be done a month or two ago) that they have a good plan
>> for what they will do on arrival in Zagreb.
>
> +1
>
> This is perhaps the main reason why I still do not have flights
> booked. Need information, not assurances.
+1
This is now the reason why I, most probably, won't be able to attend this
DebConf.
When I mentioned this to my fianceé (which I wanted to go with me to this
DebConf), she was telling me that she wanted me to have concrete plans to go to
Banja Luka or, otherwise, she would take her yearly vacations (mandatory by law
here in Brazil) in some other place.
So, unless something magical happens, I most probably won't be able to attend
this DC, which is sad. :-(
Please, people from Nicaragua: be sure to provide such details (especially for
those taking connection flights).
Regards,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Hi there.
On 2011-05-17 13:04, Sami Liedes wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 02:59:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> This is precisely the kind of response that I was complaining about.
>> What people need is INFORMATION, not reassurance.
>>
>> Those flying into Zagreb need to know when they book flights (which
>> ideally would be done a month or two ago) that they have a good plan
>> for what they will do on arrival in Zagreb.
>
> +1
>
> This is perhaps the main reason why I still do not have flights
> booked. Need information, not assurances.
+1
This is now the reason why I, most probably, won't be able to attend
this DebConf.
When I mentioned this to my fianceé (which I wanted to go with me to this
DebConf), she was telling me that she wanted me to have concrete plans to go to
Banja Luka or, otherwise, she would take her yearly vacations (mandatory by law
here in Brazil) in some other place.
So, unless something magical happens, I most probably won't be able to attend
this DC, which is sad. :-(
Please, people from Nicaragua: be sure to provide such details (especially for
those taking connection flights).
Regards,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi Jimmy, On Wed, 18 May 2011 03:41:34 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote [...] > > Without any group discount, at published fares, this would cost > $1700-2000+ even in economy class, based on my searching, or $1500+ > if I want to accept an earlier departure time and an extra 1h10m > layover in Amsterdam to save a couple hundred USD via Delta. For > what it's worth, going via Zagreb or Ljubljana didn't seem to be > reliably cheaper or faster from people starting in the US. > > If I can assemble a total group of at least 10 people who want to > try this plan, I'm willing to contact some travel agents to see if > they can get a better fare for us. More people will make this more > likely to work; I've never done this kind of attempt before so I > don't know the thresholds which apply. I've found cheaper flights from NYC to Zagreb (16/07 <-> 31/07): Tap Air Portugal US$ 815 Lufthansa US$ 1.054 Swiss US$ 1.135 Continental US$ 1.215 American Airlines US$ 1.456 Air CanadaUS$ 1.456 (from http://www.decolar.com/, the website I use to search/buy air tickets) Hope it helps you, -- Tiago Bortoletto Vaz http://tiagovaz.org 0xA504FECA - http://pgp.mit.edu ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:37:45PM +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have > everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you > arrive you won't be left by yourself. So, I'm planning to book flights now. Two questions: 1) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight is in Zagreb at 22:15 on the 24th, there will be a bus connection to Banja Luka that night? 2) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight departs Zagreb at 06:45 on the 31st, there will be a bus connection from Banja Luka so that we can make it to that plane? Sami signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:41:57 +0300, Sami Liedes wrote > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:37:45PM +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > > So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have > > everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you > > arrive you won't be left by yourself. > > So, > > I'm planning to book flights now. Two questions: > > 1) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight is in Zagreb at 22:15 > on the 24th, there will be a bus connection to Banja Luka that night? Based on times available at http://www.autobusni- kolodvor.com/en/timetable.aspx the answer is no. Last bus leaves Zagreb at 22:00. > 2) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight departs Zagreb at > 06:45 on the 31st, there will be a bus connection from Banja Luka so > that we can make it to that plane? >From the same source about you have a bus from Banja Luka at 3:15 which arrives in Zagreb at 6:00, which IMO would not give you enough time to get to the airport in time. So, no again. In summary, if localteam doesn't provide shuttle bus, your dates plan will demand extra hosting arrangements. I'm pretty sure the localteam's answer here will be "if there're more people for the same times we can arrange a bus". So it became a kind of circular cause-and-effect problem. Regards, -- Tiago Bortoletto Vaz http://tiagovaz.org 0xA504FECA - http://pgp.mit.edu ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:41:57 +0300, Sami Liedes wrote > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:37:45PM +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > > > So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have > > > everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you > > > arrive you won't be left by yourself. > > > > So, > > > > I'm planning to book flights now. Two questions: > > > > 1) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight is in Zagreb at 22:15 > > on the 24th, there will be a bus connection to Banja Luka that night? > > Based on times available at http://www.autobusni- > kolodvor.com/en/timetable.aspx the answer is no. Last bus leaves Zagreb at > 22:00. > > > 2) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight departs Zagreb at > > 06:45 on the 31st, there will be a bus connection from Banja Luka so > > that we can make it to that plane? > > From the same source about you have a bus from Banja Luka at 3:15 which > arrives in Zagreb at 6:00, which IMO would not give you enough time to get > to > the airport in time. So, no again. > > In summary, if localteam doesn't provide shuttle bus, your dates plan will > demand extra hosting arrangements. I'm pretty sure the localteam's answer > here > will be "if there're more people for the same times we can arrange a bus". > So > it became a kind of circular cause-and-effect problem. > > Regards, > > Once all registrations are finished, we will make plans for shuttle buses. > -- > Tiago Bortoletto Vaz > http://tiagovaz.org > 0xA504FECA - http://pgp.mit.edu > > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Sami Liedes wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:37:45PM +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > > So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have > > everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you > > arrive you won't be left by yourself. > > So, > > I'm planning to book flights now. Two questions: > > 1) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight is in Zagreb at 22:15 > on the 24th, there will be a bus connection to Banja Luka that night? > > 2) Is it GUARANTEED that, if our arrival flight departs Zagreb at > 06:45 on the 31st, there will be a bus connection from Banja Luka so > that we can make it to that plane? > > Hello sami, here is current time table for Zagreb to Banja Luka 06:30, 12:30, 22:00 Travel takes about 2 to 2:30 >Sami > > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, vedran wrote: > Once all registrations are finished, we will make plans for shuttle buses. how many people need to be one shuttle so that we will make it happen? 2 people? 4? 8? 16? 32? ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Rogério Brito dijo [Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:26:21AM -0300]: > >> Those flying into Zagreb need to know when they book flights (which > >> ideally would be done a month or two ago) that they have a good plan > >> for what they will do on arrival in Zagreb. > > > (… +1 +1 +1 …) > > Please, people from Nicaragua: be sure to provide such details (especially for > those taking connection flights). Please note that this topic came up because Banja Luka has a smallish airport, with few international flights arriving to it. For Nicaragua, although it does not have that many routes, there _is_ a large and well-connected international airport, and from my experience, most travel search engines will give you good options to reach there, with a (usually short) layover at either Panamá, Costa Rica, El Salvador or Miami (depending on your origin). Of course, we will have other sources of stress next year. Just not this particular topic ;-) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Holger Levsen writes: > 2 people? 4? 8? 16? 32? Good question. As I said on IRC I'd be happy to spend the day in Zagreb and then take a really late debconf shuttle bus to Banja Luka. I have already paid my flights but others could still choose cheaper flights that arrive around the time that the last normal bus departs. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > Based on times available at http://www.autobusni- > kolodvor.com/en/timetable.aspx the answer is no. Last bus leaves Zagreb at > 22:00. Precisely to avoid this, I booked a flight that arrives to Zagreb on Sat 23 at 13:45. I expect that this will be a decent time to arrive. > From the same source about you have a bus from Banja Luka at 3:15 which > arrives in Zagreb at 6:00, which IMO would not give you enough time to get to > the airport in time. So, no again. However, for my departure on Sun 31 the only flight that I could find is scheduled at 08:45 and I still don't know exactly how I suppose to make it in time for my flight that early in the morning. If there are no buses for the people that leave very early in the morning I guess I will spend my last night on Zagreb. > In summary, if localteam doesn't provide shuttle bus, your dates plan will > demand extra hosting arrangements. I'm pretty sure the localteam's answer here > will be "if there're more people for the same times we can arrange a bus". So > it became a kind of circular cause-and-effect problem. Please, at least provide a general idea of how would be the transportation between Zagreb and Banja Luka. I'm not very experienced with international traveling and this whole discussion is beginning to make me nervous about the travel. Cheers, -- Miguel Landaeta, miguel at miguel.cc secure email with PGP 0x7D8967E9 available at http://keyserver.pgp.com/ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." -- Nietzsche ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi Tiago, On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:35:29AM -0200, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > I've found cheaper flights from NYC to Zagreb (16/07 <-> 31/07): > > Tap Air Portugal US$ 815 > Lufthansa US$ 1.054 > Swiss US$ 1.135 > Continental US$ 1.215 > American Airlines US$ 1.456 > Air CanadaUS$ 1.456 > > (from http://www.decolar.com/, the website I use to search/buy air tickets) Those prices do not include taxes and fees on the version of the site you used. If I click "comprar" and then convert the resulting total from Brazilian reals to USD, the US$815 fare from TAP US$1477 at Google's better-than-plausible exchange rate. On the US travel site affiliated with http://www.decolar.com/, which is a spanish-language site at http://www.us.despegar.com/, it shows the same fare as US$815 + taxes and fees = US$1436 total. That also involves two stops between NYC and Zagreb in at least one of the two directions, whereas the options I was exploring included only one stop all the way to and from Banja Luka for not significantly more money if at all. All the other fares were similarly higher once you consider taxes and fees. Also, I won't be able to book the dates you tested with since I'm only free to attend the main DebConf11 week, not DebCamp11, but I got the approximately same prices when I specify a departure on 23/07 instead of 16/07. > Hope it helps you, Sadly not, but I appreciate the effort. Thank you! - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:01:18PM -0430, Miguel Landaeta wrote: > > From the same source about you have a bus from Banja Luka at 3:15 which > > arrives in Zagreb at 6:00, which IMO would not give you enough time to get > > to > > the airport in time. So, no again. > > However, for my departure on Sun 31 the only flight that I could find > is scheduled at 08:45 and I still don't know exactly how I suppose to > make it in time for my flight that early in the morning. If there are no > buses for the people that leave very early in the morning I guess I will > spend my last night on Zagreb. The 3:15 bus from BL works for you. The question was for a 6:45 flight, not your 8:45 flight, which is two hours later. The bus comes to Zagreb at 6:00, you board the first normal airport bus that departs from the same station at 7:00, arrive at the airport at 7:30, and have plenty of time until the boarding time which should be around 8:15. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi Vedran, On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 03:12:08AM -0500, vedran wrote: > did you try to investigate prices to Zagreb or Sarajevo? > > Last year i got ticket Sarajevo-Istanbul-NYC and back for about 900$ > > Connections between Sarajevo or Zagreb to Banja Luka is not that complicated > and hopefully we will write guidelines how to come from Sarajevo/Zagreb to > Banja Luka. As I said in my original mail, going via Zagreb was not significantly cheaper. I just gave more details on this in my reply to Tiago. I did not investigate via Sarajevo, but I did look into Ljubljana and that was actually pricier and slower than the other options. I think most of the advice on the mailing list and wiki about which airports and airlines to use has focused on Europeans with access to the regional budget airlines like Ryanair and EasyJet. Those kinds of airlines don't generally offer transatlantic flights, especially not in a way that would be useful to go to a relatively uncommon transatlantic destination like Southeastern Europe. If I find a good option for US travelers I will be sure to document it on the wiki and mention it on this mailing list, but I'm still working on finding one, as you can see by my emails. - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi, > > If I can assemble a total group of at least 10 people who want to try this > plan, I'm willing to contact some travel agents to see if they can get a > better > fare for us. More people will make this more likely to work; I've never > done > this kind of attempt before so I don't know the thresholds which apply. Had we prepared better for this, we could have used something like SkyTeam Global Meetings or Star Alliance Convention Plus. That would give us a blanket discount on all flights to DebConf. -Arthur ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Hi Timo, On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Good question. As I said on IRC I'd be happy to spend the day in Zagreb > and then take a really late debconf shuttle bus to Banja Luka. I have > already paid my flights but others could still choose cheaper flights > that arrive around the time that the last normal bus departs. maybe we can use this POV as a starting point. but currently http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Arrivals has only a "From" column, but no columns "To" and "Would be interested in shuttle from Zagreb". Timo, or anybody else, can you add those columns to the wiki page? Then, when we ask for reconfirmation, we can ask people to update that wikipage and then, finally, we can (hopefully... ;) send a shuttle in the evening per day - and maybe on in the early afternoon too. Thanks. cheers, Holger ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi Arthur, On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:30:55PM -0400, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: > Had we prepared better for this, we could have used something like SkyTeam > Global Meetings or Star Alliance Convention Plus. > That would give us a blanket discount on all flights to DebConf. I assume from your wording that it is no longer possible to do this for DebConf11. In that case, let's act very soon after the dates for DebConf12 are made final to offer these options for that conference and subsequent years. Thanks for mentioning these programs! - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi Arthur, On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: > Had we prepared better for this, we could have used something like SkyTeam > Global Meetings or Star Alliance Convention Plus. > That would give us a blanket discount on all flights to DebConf. -v please. there will be dc12++ :-) thanks & cheers, Holger ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
On Wed, 18 May 2011, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: Hi, If I can assemble a total group of at least 10 people who want to try this plan, I'm willing to contact some travel agents to see if they can get a better fare for us. More people will make this more likely to work; I've never done this kind of attempt before so I don't know the thresholds which apply. Had we prepared better for this, we could have used something like SkyTeam Global Meetings or Star Alliance Convention Plus. That would give us a blanket discount on all flights to DebConf. Interesting. Can we still? -- Asheesh. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
Hi again, On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:36:25PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:30:55PM -0400, Obey Arthur Liu wrote: > > Had we prepared better for this, we could have used something like SkyTeam > > Global Meetings or Star Alliance Convention Plus. > > That would give us a blanket discount on all flights to DebConf. > > I assume from your wording that it is no longer possible to do this for > DebConf11. In that case, let's act very soon after the dates for DebConf12 are > made final to offer these options for that conference and subsequent years. > Thanks for mentioning these programs! Apparently if we use Star Alliance Meetings Plus (as opposed to Convention Plus) we can do it with as little as 30 days lead time and 50 participants from 3 countries. For Star Alliance Convention Plus we need six months lead time, but unfortunately a minimum of 500 participants which is unlikely for us even for DebConf12. SkyTeam Global Meetings requires at least 50 participants from 2 countries and an unspecified lead time. Once we register, those agreements are probably reusable in future years, assuming we use one of our long-standing legal entities like SPI or FFIS. Shall I contact Star Alliance and SkyTeam and see what's possible for DebConf11? It would still help to know who would be interested in using one of these arrangements, via one of those airline alliances, who hasn't booked their DebConf11 flights yet. We'd also need to make a separate group booking for whatever form(s) of transport we use for the last leg to/from Banja Luka, if we want a discount for that, since those airlines don't go there. Please still speak up if you're interested in my original idea; single-flight or even multi-flight/single-airline group bookings probably have lower thresholds if these programs are available with the numbers I quoted above. - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: Apparently if we use Star Alliance Meetings Plus (as opposed to Convention Plus) we can do it with as little as 30 days lead time and 50 participants from 3 countries. For Star Alliance Convention Plus we need six months lead time, but unfortunately a minimum of 500 participants which is unlikely for us even for DebConf12. SkyTeam Global Meetings requires at least 50 participants from 2 countries and an unspecified lead time. Once we register, those agreements are probably reusable in future years, assuming we use one of our long-standing legal entities like SPI or FFIS. Shall I contact Star Alliance and SkyTeam and see what's possible for DebConf11? It would still help to know who would be interested in using one of these arrangements, via one of those airline alliances, who hasn't booked their DebConf11 flights yet. We'd also need to make a separate group booking for whatever form(s) of transport we use for the last leg to/from Banja Luka, if we want a discount for that, since those airlines don't go there. Please still speak up if you're interested in my original idea; single-flight or even multi-flight/single-airline group bookings probably have lower thresholds if these programs are available with the numbers I quoted above. I'm interested in any of these, pending details that work, and actually fairly flexible on which US city to fly from, though I prefer BOS. -- -- Asheesh. http://asheesh.org/ Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"] ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:50:57 -0400 (EDT), Asheesh Laroia wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: Apparently if we use Star Alliance Meetings Plus (as opposed to Convention Plus) we can do it with as little as 30 days lead time and 50 participants from 3 countries. For Star Alliance Convention Plus we need six months lead time, but unfortunately a minimum of 500 participants which is unlikely for us even for DebConf12. SkyTeam Global Meetings requires at least 50 participants from 2 countries and an unspecified lead time. Once we register, those agreements are probably reusable in future years, assuming we use one of our long-standing legal entities like SPI or FFIS. Shall I contact Star Alliance and SkyTeam and see what's possible for DebConf11? It would still help to know who would be interested in using one of these arrangements, via one of those airline alliances, who hasn't booked their DebConf11 flights yet. We'd also need to make a separate group booking for whatever form(s) of transport we use for the last leg to/from Banja Luka, if we want a discount for that, since those airlines don't go there. Please still speak up if you're interested in my original idea; single-flight or even multi-flight/single-airline group bookings probably have lower thresholds if these programs are available with the numbers I quoted above. I'm interested in any of these, pending details that work, and actually fairly flexible on which US city to fly from, though I prefer BOS. Please start wiki'ing this now! :) http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/GroupsDiscountAirfare Regards, -- Tiago Bortoletto Vaz http://tiagovaz.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Holger Levsen writes: > http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Arrivals has only a "From" column, but > no columns "To" Hmm? Isn't "To" kind of implicit if I'm listed under "Zagreb airport"? > and "Would be interested in shuttle from Zagreb". Added. Please comment on the wording. Due to the nature of the wiki markup I only added this for the day that I am arriving. If this looks good I'll volunteer to copy and paste it to other days :-) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, vedran wrote: > > Once all registrations are finished, we will make plans for shuttle buses. > > how many people need to be one shuttle so that we will make it happen? > > 2 people? 4? 8? 16? 32? "Deep thought" will answer that for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Thought_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Deep_Thought > > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On 05/18/2011 10:35 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >> Good question. As I said on IRC I'd be happy to spend the day in >> Zagreb and then take a really late debconf shuttle bus to Banja >> Luka. I have already paid my flights but others could still choose >> cheaper flights that arrive around the time that the last normal >> bus departs. > > maybe we can use this POV as a starting point. but currently > http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Arrivals has only a "From" > column, but no columns "To" and "Would be interested in shuttle from > Zagreb". > afaics, It does. There are sections. Each section tells the "To" part. The "Would be interested in shuttle from Zagreb" is absent though. Regards, -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي http://dogguy.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trying for a US->Banja Luka travel discount?
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi again, > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:36:25PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > > Apparently if we use Star Alliance Meetings Plus (as opposed to Convention > Plus) we can do it with as little as 30 days lead time and 50 participants > from > 3 countries. For Star Alliance Convention Plus we need six months lead time, > but unfortunately a minimum of 500 participants which is unlikely for us even > for DebConf12. SkyTeam Global Meetings requires at least 50 participants from > 2 countries and an unspecified lead time. Once we register, those agreements > are probably reusable in future years, assuming we use one of our > long-standing > legal entities like SPI or FFIS. > > Shall I contact Star Alliance and SkyTeam and see what's possible for > DebConf11? It would still help to know who would be interested in using one of > these arrangements, via one of those airline alliances, who hasn't booked > their > DebConf11 flights yet. We'd also need to make a separate group booking for > whatever form(s) of transport we use for the last leg to/from Banja Luka, if > we > want a discount for that, since those airlines don't go there. Yeah, please do. I expect I'll be travelling Star Alliance. I note that there are "special procedures for New Zealand" so it would be worth quantifying those in my case, also. Thanks Jimmy, Andrew. -- http://andrew.mcmillan.net.nz/ Porirua, New Zealand Twitter: _karora Phone: +64(272)DEBIAN Neutrinos have bad breadth. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 22:35 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > On 05/18/2011 10:35 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > > On Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2011, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > >> Good question. As I said on IRC I'd be happy to spend the day in > >> Zagreb and then take a really late debconf shuttle bus to Banja > >> Luka. I have already paid my flights but others could still choose > >> cheaper flights that arrive around the time that the last normal > >> bus departs. > > > > maybe we can use this POV as a starting point. but currently > > http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Arrivals has only a "From" > > column, but no columns "To" and "Would be interested in shuttle from > > Zagreb". > > > > afaics, It does. There are sections. Each section tells the "To" part. The > "Would be interested in shuttle from Zagreb" is absent though. We should do the same on http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Departures? I have done anyway... -- Ian Campbell I am currently transitioning to a new OpenPGP key, please see: http://www.hellion.org.uk/key-transition-2011-04-27-2F6BCD59-to-79074FA8.txt %DCL-MEM-BAD, bad memory VMS-F-PDGERS, pudding between the ears signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
