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RE: MI5 Asks FBI Help
At 03:04 PM 04/23/2000 -0400, Lucky Green wrote: >The "Telecheck" references in the document are particularly of interest. It >appears that "Telecheck" is some national (UK) Echelon-like system that >monitors and logs both voice and fax communications of "suspects". Too bad >that the UK doesn't have an equivalent of FOIA. I thought the UK equivalent of FOIA was the Official Secrets Act :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: MI5 Asks FBI Help
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 03:55:26AM -0400, Bill Stewart wrote: > At 03:04 PM 04/23/2000 -0400, Lucky Green wrote: > >The "Telecheck" references in the document are particularly of interest. It > >appears that "Telecheck" is some national (UK) Echelon-like system that > >monitors and logs both voice and fax communications of "suspects". Too bad > >that the UK doesn't have an equivalent of FOIA. I believe there is supposed to be an UK FOIA coming out but that it has been so watered down as to be useless. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pineal.com/ "no man or group of men shall aggress upon the person or property of anyone else." -- murray n. rothbard
Re: WSJ: Backdoor in MS WWW software
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "dmolnar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If this model is at all legitimate, how does it > differ from what we have now? > > On first pass, it seems to me that in this model, I can only really > sanction someone who's actually signed a contract with me. If she gives > away knowledge of my process to someone else, then I can't touch the > someone else. Yes. IP with contracts is ok; IP enforced by the state against non-consenting parties is not ok. Mark
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Subject: brits to listen to GSM on Mayday Police to tap calls at May Day protest Civil rights group attacks move as unjustified intrusion Nick Paton Walsh Sunday April 23, 2000 Police will be listening in when demonstrators use mobile phones to plan tactics during the expected 1 May demonstrations in London, The Observer has learnt. Scotland Yard has said it will 'pursue all legal avenues' to prevent and monitor crime. A number of legal loopholes give police the power to intercept conversations. May Day is known to be the date of the next series of anti-capitalist protests, and Special Branch is believed to have kept alleged ringleaders under surveillance. The protests are expected to be organised by a few individuals in constant contact by mobile phone. This was the pattern at the 'N30' demonstration outside Euston station on 30 November last year, where organisers co-ordinated attacks on financial institutions. Mobile phones may be legally monitored in two ways. The network to which the phones are connected can be tapped if the police obtain a warrant from the Home Secretary. But to do so, they must suspect that a crime may be committed which carries a penalty of more than three years or which involves a number of people. A warrant allows the police to intercept all communications to and from one individual. Riots such as those caused by the N30 protests involve sufficiently serious crimes for such warrants to be issued. Additionally and more controversially, police may also intercept signals between a mobile phone and a phone mast. While it was all too easy to intercept old analogue phones, the vast majority of new digital phones send encrypted signals, and the equipment required to tap such phones is not publicly available. 'Technology of that sort would only be owned by the Government,' said an engineer with telecoms security firm Spymaster. John Wadham, director of civil rights group Liberty, said: 'Listening in to someone's telephone conversations is
Re: Janet Reno Needs an Exploding Dildo
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I can't believe you two are getting into bed with the Clintonistas like > this. If you really think the boy would be better of in a Totalitarian > Communist regime, one which has already stated it will subject him to > deprogramming before releasing him into society, then perhaps you'd best > emigrate and undergo that deprogramming your own goddamned selves. I agree with Reese against Tim May. Is this right? Mark
Re: Who to send back
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "David Honig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 10:04 PM 4/21/00 -0400, david wrote: > >Over population is junk science. > > Sorry, can't let this one go. Over population is physics, > its why evolution works, its the sigmoid curve, its dying in > your own pollution. You may argue about the nicest set-points, > whether any given country is there or not, but exponential growth is a > fundamental problem. Irrelevant. We're not interested in bacteria, but in humans. And we're not interested in 7 billion years from now on, but in (at most) the next hundred years. Given the current technology, we could feed probably 1,000 billion people, and there's room for much more than that *without* leaving the Earth. There's no way we could make 1,000 billion people in the next hundred years. QED. Read some Julian Simon. (BTW, if you look at the decaying ratio between the prices of commodities and real salaries from the other side, it means that the average price of labor *raises* compared to the price of commodities, so we have an *under*supply of labor; underpopulation, not overpopulation, is the problem. Yes, the Eastern world is not there yet, but their problem is lack of private property and free trade, not overpopulation. All humans have an infinite number of wants, not only those in the western countries.) Mark
Re: Janet Reno Needs an Exploding Dildo
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As far as the raid goes, I support it. A 6-year-old child belongs > with his father or mother. The uncles and cousins had no standing, > period. You're a fucking idiot. [Sadly, I am beginning to be used to it.] A human being doesn't belong to anybody else, unless he enters into a contract to those terms. A 6-years-old child is quite capable of knowing what he wants. [Hell, my 7-months-old daughter knows what she wants.] Not knowing that Tim May is ranting on cypherpunks doesn't disqualify a human being from owning himself. That being said, I am an anarchist. I don't want the state to exist at all - neither to defend the child, nor to harm him. Yes, in normal circumstances, the father's rights come prior to those of any other relatives. However, in this case, it is my understanding that the child has expressed his will to remain in the US. No further debate is necessary. Mark
Re: Who to send back
"Marcel Popescu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Read some Julian Simon. (BTW, if you look at the decaying ratio between the > prices of commodities and real salaries from the other side, it means that > the average price of labor *raises* compared to the price of commodities, so > we have an *under*supply of labor; underpopulation, not overpopulation, is > the problem. Yes, the Eastern world is not there yet, but their problem is > lack of private property and free trade, not overpopulation. All humans have > an infinite number of wants, not only those in the western countries.) Hmm, how is your theory about the under supply of labor reconciled with a global unemployment (just counting work force, not every single mouth) hovering around 33% for the last few years? My source is the International Labor Organization's annual report on unemployment around the globe. -- Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Free Scheme/Lisp Software http://www.red-bean.com/~craig "Hiding like thieves in the night from life, illusions of oasis making you look twice. -- Mos Def and Talib Kweli
Re: Pushing the precedents--why the Gonzalez case deserves
At 08:02 PM 24/04/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: >At 6:56 PM -0400 4/24/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>No matter what your position is, there are three points about which we >>should all be concerned. However, since we have all grown so stupid and >>comfortable, I doubt any of you will have the balls to say "Enough is >>enough". > >You need to check some of your facts. Go on,,, >I'll be brief: ditto, >>1) Saturday afternoon, a US Senator attempted to enter a US Military base >>and was refused at the gate. The guards told him that they had their orders >>from Janet Reno not to let him pass. > >Military bases--and ships, labs, submarines, etc.--have security >systems in place which the Legislative Branch of Government has no >special right to trump by merely showing up. If this is surprising to >you, you have a lot of learning to do. Very true, however: Since when does the .mil take such direction from the appointed head of the Just Us Dept? Here's a fucking hint Tim, that office/holder isn't in the official chain of command. She had no authority to direct gate guards to prevent anyone, especially a Senator, from entering the base. >>2) This was the first time in US history that such a raid has been conducted >>on a private residence without any type of court order, warrant, etc., >>whatsoever. > >There was a search warrant, issued Friday night. Sure there was. The check is in the mail, too. >In any case, hardly the first time an unwarranted raid has happened. >But this one had a warrant, so you're doubly wrong. No, not the first time, but maybe high-profile enough get some backlash and put some hurt on those who thumb their nose at Amendment IV. >>3) Even though the TV news has repeatedly told you otherwise, the Miami >>relatives have not broken any laws whatsoever. There is no law written >>anywhere on any books in which they were in violation. Janet Reno ordered >>them to pack up the kid and drive him to an airport. When they did not, >>Reno >>declared them criminals. The problem is that Janet Reno does not have the >>authority to create laws. Only Congess does. She seems to feel that any >>order she gives is law. > >Better check that warrant point again. You first. >The Justice Department and its branches (INS, Marshals, etc.) >_enforce_ laws. Granted, they don't make them. Remember this. >Returning a 6-year-old >boy to his natural father does not require an Act of Congress: it is >done routinely in thousands of similar cases each year. The key factor you overlook is Elian's application for asylum. You keep saying the father has a right to custody, but we already know that upon return to Cuba, he won't have custody. Elian will live in Havana, in a house with 12 of his classmates who were kidnapped from their parents, as a Hero of the Revolution. How Precious. >The kidnappers of Elian G. should now face kidnapping charges for the >several weeks they held him after being told he was not theirs to >hold. According to the 11th circuit, ruling issued last Wednesday, he was fine where he was, there was no direction to remand him to the custody of the father. You sure are turning into a communist sympathizer lately Tim. Reese
MI5 Censorship
Hello fellow freedom fighters, Once again the forces of darkness have reared their heads and are attempting to silence the voice of The People. It is time once again for us to band together and fight the tyranny of Censorship. MI5, a british intelligence agency, is attempting to bully US ISP's into shuting down websites containing documents that they do not want you to see. The current website under attack is Cryptome run by John Young. John has provided an invaluable service to the internet community and deserves all the support that we can muster. I have mirrored the related documents at: http://www.openpgp.net/censorship/index.html The original document and information on the attempted censorship is available at: http://cryptome.org/mi5-verio.htm A news story by the Times is available at: http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/04/23/stinwenws01014.html Your help is greatly appreciated, -- --- William H. Geiger IIIhttp://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---
Re: Who to send back
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tom Vogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > someone calculated that to supply the standard-of-living of canada today > to every person on the globe would require the natural resources of two > additional earths. I can look up the source if someone wants it. "Someone" is an idiot. Read "Ultimate Resource" by Julian Simon (it's available on the web). Since 1990, we have overproduction of food in Romania - that's after exporting lots of it. [Of course, this overproduction is partly caused by the subsidizing of farming by the state.] And Romania is a poor country... What the poor countries lack is not birth control, but private property and free trade. Until they get those, they'd continue to starve to death. [Unfortunately, it seems that the current trend is for the less socialist countries to become more socialist, instead of the other way around...] Mark
