Re: -Download from internet = 1Mb?!

[fergus]

Even a "Download from Internet" will only download what you need. If your
machine has an up-to-date Cygwin installation then you don't need anything
and so nothing (except the current setup.ini) will be downloaded.

There are ways of downloading an installation set that involve temporarily
blinding Windows to your installed Cygwin. Not difficult. Discussed on the
mailing list at various times ... can be more specific if you want.

Fergus


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RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Yanghui Bian]

Hello David,
Sorry, it's not directly related to this topic. Please allow
me to ask the question below.
It's about the CRLF<->LF conversion.
I have tried to do the same conversion in Perl/C but failed.
Cygwin always return me the result that the file is in unix format.
However I could know that it is in pc format by opening it in emacs and 
convert it to unix format sucessfully using emacs elisp.
The cygwin is mounted in bin&unix mode.
But from you description above, you don't have the problem.
Could you let me know which tool you use for conversion, please?
Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: David Rothenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17. juni 2003 19:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10


Corinna Vinschen writes:
 > Please give it a try, especially if you're using textmode mounts.  If
 > nobody complains about problems which result from that patch within,
 > say, two or three weeks, I'll make this the standard version of bash.

I don't have any problems running scripts from textmode mounts, but
I did notice a change in behavior while sourcing DOS files from
binmode mounts.

With the prior version of bash, I had no problems sourcing a
DOS-formatted file from a binmode mount, but with the latest
version, I get parsing errors.  Here's a simple test:

I created two files, "dos" and "unix", each with the following
content (without the dash lines, of course):

--
if [ 1 -eq 1 ]; then echo true; else echo false; fi
--

I then used dos2unix and unix2dos to ensure that "dos" used DOS line
endings and "unix" used the other kind.  This was all done on a
binmode mount, by the way.

Sourcing the two files yielded the following results:

--
$ . dos
bash: dos: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file

$ . unix
true
--

When I copied these two files to a textmode mount, reran the
dos2unix and unix2dos commands, and repeated the above statements,
both commands returned true.

I don't regard this as a bug, since everything works fine with
textmode mounts and it's perfectly reasonable, IMHO, for the parse
errors to occur when trying to source a file with DOS endings on a
binmode mount.  It's what would happen under Linux, after all.

But I wanted to mention it because it is a change in behavior, and
might cause a bunch of "bash isn't working" postings when this
version of bash is made official.

cygcheck output is attached, in case it matters.

-Dave


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Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?

[Olaf Foellinger]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:23:05AM -0400, Lester Ingber wrote:
> I'm using Cygwin under XP Professional on an IBM Thinkpad, connected
> wireless to an SMC router, using IBM Access Connections to set up my
> computer on a DHCP private 198 address to receive DHCP gateway and
> DNS info from ISPs that change when I change locations (on travel).
> 
> I have no problems conecting anywhere on the Internet using Netscape and
> Iexplorer browsers, or even using Eudora to send Email.  Under Cygwin,
> I can ssh login to various machines.  However, using mutt (using exim)
> I keep getting "Network is unreachable"???  mutt/exim worked fine when
> I first set up my system, but now mutt/exim is failing?
> 
> Any suggestions on settings I might test/try?

The same configuration works fine here under w2k. How is exim configured
? Does it use a smarthost or does it try to to deliver mail directly ?
Can you send mail using 

$ echo test |exim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


 
 
Gruss Olaf Föllinger

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Re: SSH users cannot see SMB mounted network drives

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:35:22PM -0400, Larry Hall wrote:
> DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
> 
> >First of all, you might want to check out the excellent cygwin + ssh
> >mailing list here:
> 
> It's been beaten to death here as well.  Just to be clear, cygwin.com
> is the site this list supports.  If you have any questions relative to
> information from the erdelynet.com site, you need to direct them there.

Larry was somewhat quicker than me timezone challenged person but I'd
like to emphasize that this has been asked in this list over and over
again and that it has been answered multiple times.

The answer given by Jason (and so probably by the above mentioned
cygwin+ssh mailing list, I don't feel inclined to take a look) is
wrong.  The correct answer is, it depends on having logged in using
password authentication or passwordless authentication.  When using
password authentication you can access shares, otherwise you can't.


Corinna

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Re: Question about building vim 6.2-1 on cygwin (for Corinna)

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 04:15:50PM -0500, DJ Stauffer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to build vim 6.2-1 on cygwin with the perl support 
> enabled.  What configure options do I need to match the build that you 
> produced for that release?

./configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--sysconfdir=/etc \
--libexecdir='$(sbindir)' \
--localstatedir=/var \
--datadir='$(prefix)/share' \
--enable-multibyte \
--without-x \
--enable-gui=no

You need the libncurses-devel package installed.

Corinna


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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:04:32PM -0700, David Rothenberger wrote:
> Well, I spoke too soon.  I am having a very bizarre problem with
> scripts using DOS line endings on textmode mounts.  Here's how to
> recreate the problem.
> [...]

Thanks for the reports.  It looks as if the patch isn't sufficient.
I let this test version on sourceware a while, perhaps somebody wants
to take a stab on fixing these problems, otherwise I'll remove it
in a week or so.

Corinna

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problem with g77

[Dr Jeff Forshaw]

Hello!
I have a peculiar problem using g77. I can compile and produce sensible
object files, and I can create executables. However, when I come to run the
executable I get the error
"bash: MZ?: command not found"
I am running g77 under cygwin and I have uninstalled and re-installed gcc. I
have also spent too long trawling the web for help - so I do hope you can
help me!
On a seperate note: I would like to create a Windows LIB file suitable for
linking to a MVC++ project. Is it possible to create such a thing using g77?
Thanks!
Jeff

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help with make

[alex hardy]

Cygwin cannot find make command
here is what cygcheck -s looks like

thanks for any suggestions

Alex

Cygwin Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics
Current System Time: Thu Jun 19 01:49:37 2003

Windows 2000 Professional Ver 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3

Path:   E:\cygwin\usr\local\bin
E:\cygwin\bin
E:\cygwin\bin
e:\WINNT\system32
e:\WINNT
e:\WINNT\System32\Wbem
e:\
c:\WINDOWS
c:\WINDOWS\COMMAND
c:\PROGRA~1\NETWOR~1\PGP

E:\cygwin\bin\id.exe output (nontsec)
UID: 500(Administrator)  GID: 513(None)
513(None)

E:\cygwin\bin\id.exe output (ntsec)
UID: 500(Administrator)  GID: 513(None)
513(None)544(Administrators)
545(Users)

SysDir: E:\WINNT\System32
WinDir: E:\WINNT

HOME = `E:\cygwin\home\Administrator'
MAKE_MODE = `unix'
PWD = `/home/Administrator'
USER = `Administrator'

Use `-r' to scan registry

a:  fd   N/AN/A
c:  hd  FAT32934Mb  79% CPUN
d:  cd   N/AN/A
e:  hd  NTFS   18582Mb  21% CP CS UN PA FC

E:\cygwin  /  system  binmode
E:\cygwin/bin  /usr/bin   system  binmode
E:\cygwin/lib  /usr/lib   system  binmode
.  /cygdrive  system  binmode,cygdrive

Found: E:\cygwin\bin\awk.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\cat.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\cp.exe
Not Found: cpp (good!)
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\find.exe
Found: c:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\find.exe
Not Found: gcc
Not Found: gdb
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\grep.exe
Not Found: ld
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\ls.exe
Not Found: make
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\mv.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\rm.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\sed.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\sh.exe
Found: E:\cygwin\bin\tar.exe

   58k 2002/05/07 E:\cygwin\bin\cygbz2-1.dll
   45k 2001/04/25 E:\cygwin\bin\cygform5.dll
   35k 2002/01/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygform6.dll
   76k 2003/03/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygform7.dll
   28k 2003/03/22 E:\cygwin\bin\cyggdbm-3.dll
   19k 2003/03/22 E:\cygwin\bin\cyggdbm.dll
   15k 2003/03/22 E:\cygwin\bin\cyggdbm_compat-3.dll
   17k 2001/06/28 E:\cygwin\bin\cyghistory4.dll
   20k 2002/10/10 E:\cygwin\bin\cyghistory5.dll
  929k 2002/06/24 E:\cygwin\bin\cygiconv-2.dll
   22k 2001/12/13 E:\cygwin\bin\cygintl-1.dll
   28k 2002/09/20 E:\cygwin\bin\cygintl-2.dll
   26k 2001/04/25 E:\cygwin\bin\cygmenu5.dll
   20k 2002/01/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygmenu6.dll
   48k 2003/03/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygmenu7.dll
  156k 2001/04/25 E:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses++5.dll
  175k 2002/01/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses++6.dll
  226k 2001/04/25 E:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses5.dll
  202k 2002/01/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses6.dll
  284k 2003/03/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses7.dll
   15k 2001/04/25 E:\cygwin\bin\cygpanel5.dll
   12k 2002/01/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygpanel6.dll
   31k 2003/03/09 E:\cygwin\bin\cygpanel7.dll
   63k 2003/04/11 E:\cygwin\bin\cygpcre.dll
   61k 2003/04/11 E:\cygwin\bin\cygpcreposix.dll
  108k 2001/06/28 E:\cygwin\bin\cygreadline4.dll
  127k 2002/10/10 E:\cygwin\bin\cygreadline5.dll
   50k 2002/03/12 E:\cygwin\bin\cygz.dll
  948k 2003/03/18 E:\cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll
Cygwin DLL version info:
DLL version: 1.3.22
DLL epoch: 19
DLL bad signal mask: 19005
DLL old termios: 5
DLL malloc env: 28
API major: 0
API minor: 78
Shared data: 3
DLL identifier: cygwin1
Mount registry: 2
Cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions
Cygwin registry name: Cygwin
Program options name: Program Options
Cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2
Cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags
Cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix
Cygdrive default prefix:
Build date: Tue Mar 18 09:20:11 EST 2003
CVS tag: dontuse-21
Shared id: cygwin1S3


Cygwin Package Information
Package  Version
_update-info-dir 00167-1
ash  20020731-1
base-files   1.3-1
base-passwd  1.1-1
bash 2.05b-9
bzip21.0.2-2
cygwin   1.3.22-1
diffutils2.8.1-1
fileutils4.1-1
findutils4.1.7-4
gawk 3.1.2-2
gdbm 1.8.3-1
grep 2.5-1
gzip 1.3.3-4
libbz2_1 1.0.2-2
libgdbm  1.8.0-5
libgdbm-devel1.8.3-1
libgdbm3 1.8.3-1
libiconv21.8-2
libintl1 0.10.40-1
libintl2 0.11.5-1
libncurses5  5.2-1
libncurses6  5.2-8
libncurses7  5.3-1
libpcre  4.1-1
libreadline4 4.1-2
libreadline5 4.3-2
login1.9-5
ncurses  5.3-1
readline 4.3-2
sed  4.0.7-1
sh-utils 2.0.15-3
tar  1.13.25-1
termcap  20020930-1
terminfo 5.3-2
texinfo  4.2-4
textutils2.0.21-1
which1.5-1
zlib 1.1.4-1

Use -h to see help about each section






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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: libiconv-1.8-3, libiconv2-1.8-3, libcharset1-1.8-3

[Charles Wilson]

The GNU libiconv package provides an iconv() implementation, for use on 
systems which don't have one, or whose implementation cannot convert 
from/to Unicode.

o libiconv consists of three separate packages:
   - 'libiconv2' contains the main DLL, cygiconv-2.dll
   - 'libcharset1' contains an additional but separate DLL,
 cygcharset-1.dll
   - 'libiconv' contains everything else (and depends on the other two
 packages)
o libiconv is used by (and uses) the gettext package

CHANGES (from 1.8-2)
o no significant changes; simply recompiled against cygwin-1.3.22
   so as to pick up the new #definition of EILSEQ.  The old
   misdefinition was causing problems when building dependent packages
   (especially clisp)

--Chuck



INSTALLATION:

To update your installation, click on the "Install Cygwin now" link
on the http://cygwin.com/ web page.  This downloads setup.exe to
your system.  Save it and run setup, answer the questions and pick
up 'gettext' from the 'Libs' category.  You may need to
click the "Full" button if it doesn't show up.  You might want to
make sure you update/install ALL of the following three packages:
libiconv-1.8-3
libiconv2-1.8-3
libcharset1-1.8-3

Note that downloads from sources.redhat.com (aka cygwin.com) aren't
allowed due to bandwidth limitations.  This means that you will need
to find a mirror which has this update.

In the US, ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/mirrors/sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
is a reliable high bandwidth connection.

In Japan, ftp://ftp.u-aizu.ac.jp/pub/gnu/gnu-win32/ is already
updated.

In DK, http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/cygwin/ is usually up-to-date.

If one of the above doesn't have the latest version of this package
you can either wait for the site to be updated or find another
mirror.

Please  send questions or comments to the Cygwin mailing list at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .  If you want to subscribe go to:
http://cygwin.com/lists.html I would appreciate if you would use
this mailing list rather than emailing me directly.  This includes
ideas and comments about the setup utility or Cygwin in general.

If you want to make a point or ask a question the Cygwin mailing
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- version 1.8-3 -
Recompile after cygwin fix for EILSEQ definition. Uses
libintl2, not libintl1.  Re-autotooled with ac-2.57,
am-1.7.5, libtool-1.5.

- version 1.8-2 -
Built against iconv-full gettext.  Also, use --enable-extra-encodings
when configuring.

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] updated PCRE packages available for download

[Ronald Landheer-Cieslak]

New News:
=
Version 4.3-1 of the PCRE packages is now available for download.
This corresponds to the latest official PCRE release.

To update your installation:
===
Run the Setup utility from http://cygwin.com/setup.exe and pick up the 
proper packages.

Problem reports:
===
Please send reports of any problems related to these packages to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and *do not* mail me personally. I moniter the list on a 
regular basis.

Old News:

The PCRE library is a set of functions that implement regular expression
pattern matching using the same syntax and semantics as Perl 5. PCRE has
its own native API, as well as a set of wrapper functions that correspond
to the POSIX regular expression API. The PCRE library is free, even for
building commercial software.

have a look at http://www.pcre.org for details

Port Notes:
==
- version 4.3-1 -
The same patches as applied to version 4.2-2 were applied to this version.

- version 4.2-2 -
A slight modification was made to the packaging script to kill a bug 
that had Asnuck into the tarballs

- version 4.2-1 -
The patch I made earlier, which got into the canonical PCRE, worked around
using Libtool on Cygwin without there being any need to do so, as Gerrit
P.  Haase kindly pointed out. With his patch and one by Charles Wilson,
the Cygwin build procedure is just like any *NIX - due thanks go to the
both of them.

- versions prior to 4.2-1 -
Anything prior to 4.2-1 was maintained by Corinna Vinschen - any notes on
those versions are available in the mail archives.

rlc


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Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?

[Lester Ingber]

Olaf:

I tried your test:
echo test | exim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
but got in /var/log/exim/exim_main.log
2003-06-18 07:47:19 HGOE2U-0002VO-LO <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=ingber P=local S=280
2003-06-18 07:47:41 HGOE2U-0002VO-LO alumni.caltech.edu [131.215.49.51]: Network is 
unreachable
2003-06-18 07:47:41 HGOE2U-0002VO-LO == [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp 
defer (114): Network is unreachable

I do not see how to set anything like "smarthost" in my exim.conf file?

Here is a diff between the default /etc/exim.conf file and mine:
8< top cut -> bottom ->8
---
> #primary_hostname = sensei.ingber.com
> primary_hostname = ingber.com
57,59c57,61
< domainlist local_domains = @
< domainlist relay_to_domains =
< hostlist   relay_from_hosts = 127.0.0.1
---
> #domainlist local_domains = @
> domainlist local_domains =
> #domainlist relay_to_domains = ingber.com : 130.94.234.156
> domainlist relay_to_domains = 
> hostlist   relay_from_hosts = 127.0.0.1 : 130.94.234.156
357c359
<   no_more
---
> ##  no_more
363,368c365
< # This router handles aliasing using a linearly searched alias file with the
< # name /etc/aliases. When this configuration is installed automatically,
< # the name gets inserted into this file from whatever is set in Exim's
< # build-time configuration. The default path is the traditional /etc/aliases.
< # If you install this configuration by hand, you need to specify the correct
< # path in the "data" setting below.
---
> # This router handles aliasing using a traditional /etc/aliases file.
370c367
< # NB  You must ensure that the alias file exists. It used to be the case
---
> # NB  You must ensure that /etc/aliases exists. It used to be the case
461,462d457
< # Turning initgroups on is very inefficient. It should only be done if 
< # supplementary groups are needed during deliveries, e.g. to run filters. 
470d464
<   initgroups = no
546,559d539
< 
< ##
< #   CONFIGURATION FOR local_scan()   #
< ##
< 
< # If you have built Exim to include a local_scan() function that contains
< # tables for private options, you can define those options here. Remember to
< # uncomment the "begin" line. It is commented by default because it provokes
< # an error with Exim binaries that are not built with LOCAL_SCAN_HAS_OPTIONS
< # set in the Local/Makefile.
< 
< # begin local_scan
< 
8< bottom cut <- top ->8

exim -bV gives
Exim version 4.20 #1 built 15-May-2003 19:33:41
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2003
Probably GDBM (native mode)
Support for: OpenSSL
Authenticators: cram_md5 plaintext spa
Routers: accept dnslookup ipliteral manualroute queryprogram redirect
Transports: appendfile/maildir/mailstore/mbx autoreply pipe smtp
Configuration file is /etc/exim.conf

mutt -v gives
Mutt 1.4i (2002-05-29)
Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: CYGWIN_NT-5.1 1.3.22(0.78/3/2) (i686) [using ncurses 5.2]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  -USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  -DL_STANDALONE  
+USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK
+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  +USE_SSL  -USE_SASL  
-HAVE_REGCOMP  +USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  
+HAVE_PGP  +BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  +LOCALES_HACK  -HAVE_WC_FUNCS  -HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  -HAVE_LANGIN
FO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  -HAVE_GETSID  -HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
-ISPELL
SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/spool/mail"
PKGDATADIR="/usr/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
-MIXMASTER

Thanks.

Lester

: On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:23:05AM -0400, Lester Ingber wrote:
: > I'm using Cygwin under XP Professional on an IBM Thinkpad, connected
: > wireless to an SMC router, using IBM Access Connections to set up my
: > computer on a DHCP private 198 address to receive DHCP gateway and
: > DNS info from ISPs that change when I change locations (on travel).
: > 
: > I have no problems conecting anywhere on the Internet using Netscape and
: > Iexplorer browsers, or even using Eudora to send Email.  Under Cygwin,
: > I can ssh login to various machines.  However, using mutt (using exim)
: > I keep getting "Network is unreachable"???  mutt/exim worked fine when
: > I first set up my system, but now mutt/exim is failing?
: > 
: > Any suggestions on settings I might test/try?
: 
: The same configuration works fine here under w2k. How is exim configured
: ? Does it use a smarthost or does it try to to deliver mail directly ?
: Can you send mail using 
: 
: $ echo test |exim <[

1.3.22 : ocaml package not there ?

[Folken]

I'm a developper & would like to use ocaml project under Cygwin ...
Shouldn't it be integrated by default ? The Ml Language is the future
in programming ...



Just like ML language >:)

Re: 1.3.22 : ocaml package not there ?

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 02:25:44PM +0200, Folken wrote:
> I'm a developper & would like to use ocaml project under Cygwin ...
> Shouldn't it be integrated by default ? The Ml Language is the future
> in programming ...

See http://cygwin.com/setup.html.

You might considering to become package maintainer.

Corinna

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Re: 1.3.22 : ocaml package not there ?

[Max Bowsher]

Folken wrote:
> I'm a developper & would like to use ocaml project under Cygwin ...
> Shouldn't it be integrated by default ? The Ml Language is the future
> in programming ...

In case you hadn't noticed, Cygwin is a volunteer project.

Packages are included when someone volunteers to contribute them.


BTW, OCaml compiles almost OOTB on Cygwin - just needs -fnative-struct
changing to -mms-bitfields.



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indent manpage bug

[Ronald Landheer-Cieslak]

Some values are missing in the manpage of indent:

$ man indent
...

This man page is generated from the file indent.texinfo.  This is  Edi-
tion  of "The indent Manual", for Indent Version , last updated .
      

HTH

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Re: About the 'su' command

[Bill C. Riemers]

> The second says the command wont work unless I have appropriate
> privileges.
> Do you know "someone" on an XP station that has more powers than the
> Administrator or an Administrators member ?

On most Unix systems, if you create a user with UID 65535 you will find that
user is unable to run 'suid' commands including 'su'.  This is result of
65535 mapping to -1 as a short, and -1 having special meaning.  For awhile
there was a trend to make the "nobody" user 65535.  But then with the dawn
of the web, programmers started wanting to make SUID cgi-bin scripts, while
still using "nobody" as the default user for web connections.  As such, the
practice using 65535 for "nobody" has for the most part been abandoned in
the Unix world.

However, someone at Microsoft must have thought this was an extremely good
idea.  And why just have one account which is not allowed to SUID?  So
instead, Microsoft wrote XP so any account != UID 18 is prohibited from
SUID.  (OK.  I over simplified, you can actually grant other accounts
privilege to SUID on XP professional...)

At first thought, the idea of restricting SUID to SYSTEM seems to give XP
much stronger security than most unix systems.  Until, you stop and
consider, if only SYSTEM can SUID, and I can't login as SYSTEM, how does
anything ever get installed to run under SYSTEM?  It turns out SYSTEM is the
account used for running services.  Anyone with Administrators privilege can
add a new service.  Consequently, all Administrators can run any program
they like as SYSTEM, including of course 'su'.

So, you ask, if it is so easy for Administrator to run a process as SYSTEM,
why doesn't 'su' use this trick?  Quite simple.  You can not change an
existing process to SYSTEM privileges, nor can you do a direct exec() so you
can pass your open file descriptors and environment to the new process.
Consequently, you would find that if su used this "trick" your process would
be running under a new TTY without access to existing file descriptors.  So
a command like, 'su root -c "bar.sh" < /tmp/foo' would not work as expected.

Now you ask, "Well then, why can ssh do pipes."  Very simple, 'ssh' sticks
around after starting the child process starts passing data from open file
descriptors though sockets.

Finally you ask, "If ssh can do that, why doesn't su?"  Simple.  Why rewrite
'su' to do those types of tricks, when 'ssh' already exists?

 Bill


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Re: help with make

[Larry Hall]

alex hardy wrote:

Cygwin cannot find make command
That's because you didn't install it.  Rerun setup and choose the
make package.  Anticipating your next problem, you may want to
consider installing the gcc and gdb packages too.
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Re: changing bash window title

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> the bash window has title Cygwin by default .. whenever I do a
> >> telnet or lynx .. it changes the title .. how do I restore it again
> >> or change it to something custom ..
> >> TIA
> >> Sanjay
> >
> > Sanjay,
> >
> > The default .bashrc has a commented out function "settitle()".  Just
> > uncomment that line, restart bash, and you'll be able to run "settitle
> > Your Title" (no quotes necessary).  The function works for the console
> > window, xterm, and rxvt.
> >
> > If your .bashrc doesn't have that function, look in
> > /etc/skel/.bashrc, or search this list for "settitle".  Note the
> > control characters.
> > Igor
>
> Hi Igor,
> I added this line in my .bashrc
> function settitle() { echo -n "^[]2;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }
> now when I write settitle sanjay on my $ , it does not change my title ..
> this is what happens
>
> [~]$ settitle sanjay
> ^[]2;sanjay^G^[]1;sanjay^G[~]$
> [~]$
>
> what is it that I am missing ?
> Sanjay

The control characters.  ^[ is *one* character, Ctrl-[ (aka ESC).  ^G is
also *one* character, Ctrl-G (aka BEL).  Fix that, and the incantation
should work.
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Re: changing bash window title

[Sanjay Goel]

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Igor,
>> I added this line in my .bashrc
>> function settitle() { echo -n "^[]2;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }
>> now when I write settitle sanjay on my $ , it does not change my
>> title .. this is what happens
>>
>> [~]$ settitle sanjay
>> ^[]2;sanjay^G^[]1;sanjay^G[~]$
>> [~]$
>>
>> what is it that I am missing ?
>> Sanjay
>
> The control characters.  ^[ is *one* character, Ctrl-[ (aka ESC).  ^G
> is also *one* character, Ctrl-G (aka BEL).  Fix that, and the
> incantation should work.
> Igor
How do I add these control characters in my .bashrc .. I opened the file in
vim but pressing Ctrl-[ does not work
Sanjay





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Re: changing bash window title

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Igor,
> >> I added this line in my .bashrc
> >> function settitle() { echo -n "^[]2;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }
> >> now when I write settitle sanjay on my $ , it does not change my
> >> title .. this is what happens
> >>
> >> [~]$ settitle sanjay
> >> ^[]2;sanjay^G^[]1;sanjay^G[~]$
> >> [~]$
> >>
> >> what is it that I am missing ?
> >> Sanjay
> >
> > The control characters.  ^[ is *one* character, Ctrl-[ (aka ESC).  ^G
> > is also *one* character, Ctrl-G (aka BEL).  Fix that, and the
> > incantation should work.
> > Igor
>
> How do I add these control characters in my .bashrc .. I opened the file in
> vim but pressing Ctrl-[ does not work
> Sanjay

Yeah, next time I'll go with my first impulse and put that in right away.
Try Ctrl-V Ctrl-[ (in the vim insert mode).  Same for Ctrl-G.
Igor
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Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?

[Pierre A. Humblet]

Lester Ingber wrote:
> 
> Olaf:
> 
> I tried your test:
> echo test | exim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lester,

Could you try to turn debug on, including the resolver?

echo test | exim -d+resolver [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That will produce quite a bit of output.

Pierre

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Re: a make invocation

[Christopher Faylor]

Please check out the project web page for links to available information
and ports:  http://cygwin.com/ .

If you don't see what you need there, then the cygwin mailing list is
the best place to make observations or get questions answered.
Information on the mailing list is available at the project web page.

For your convenience, I've reset the Reply-To: address to point to the
cygwin mailing list.  I've also Cc'ed this reply there.

See also:  http://cygwin.com/problems.html and pay particular attention
to this section:

Shouldn't I just send email to straight to a cygwin developer or package maintainer?

Isn't personal email more efficient than using a mailing list?   or
I don't want to bother the list with my problem.  or
I'm not really sure if this is a real problem and want to find out before I bother 
the list. 


On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:46:40AM -0700, james lankton wrote:
>Hello Chris,
>Sorry to bother you with this.
>I just cannot seem to get the "make" command to
>invoke in cygwin. Already asked a few times 
>at the dicussion board. Its a pretty simlple
>answer I am sure.
>I have MAKE_MODE set to unix.
>Below is somrthing you posted a while ago 
>but I am wondering if it might help me.
>
>James
> 
> 
> 
>Index: main.c
>===
>RCS file: /cvs/cvsfiles/devo/make/main.c,v
>retrieving revision 1.47
>diff -u -p -r1.47 main.c
>--- main.c 2001/06/26 19:12:04 1.47
>+++ main.c 2001/11/16 03:20:03
>@@ -870,11 +870,10 @@ int main (int argc, char ** argv)
> char *make_mode_env;
> 
> /* Read the environment variable MAKE_MODE */
>-/* If it's "UNIX", set unixy_shell to 1.  If it's "WIN32" or
>-   anything else, stay with the default of 0. */
>+/* If it's not "UNIX", set unixy_shell to 0. */
> make_mode_env = getenv ("MAKE_MODE");
>-if (make_mode_env && strcaseequ (make_mode_env, "UNIX"))
>-  unixy_shell = 1;
>+if (make_mode_env && !strcaseequ (make_mode_env, "UNIX"))
>+  unixy_shell = 0;
>   }
> #endif /* __CYGWIN__ */
>
>
>
>-
>Do you Yahoo!?
>SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

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Re: Site search facility at cygwin.com

[Biju G C]

James,

u r welcome, 
U can save a local copy of the page and remove unwanted geocities scripts
after ""
then it will be faster to load the page.

Cheers
Biju

--- james lankton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I found the geocities link very usefull thankyou.
>  
> James
> 
> Biju G C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- Larry Hall wrote:
> > Biju G C wrote:
> > 
> > > cfg,
> > > 
> > > I dont see any site search facility at cygwin.com 
> > > So i made the following, If you can include this at cygwin.com 
> > > it will be helpful.
> > > 
> > > Demo: http://www.geocities.com/bijumaillist/xscreens/cygsearch.htm
> > 
> > 

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What does an exit code of 128 mean?

[Max Bowsher]

I'm trying to run a perl program (vcp*) but when given certain data sets, it
dies with exit code 128, and no visible errors (even when run under the perl
debugger).

Does 128 have a special meaning? I recall reading something about that, but
can't find it now.


Max.


*: vcp is Versioned Copy - copies revisions between version control systems.
See CPAN, or http://svn.clkao.org/revml/ for a modified version supporting
subversion as a destination.


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Re: Native Microsoft Telnet Client Blows Past the Password Prompt

[andrew brian clegg]

This may be a really dumb suggestion -- but have you considered using the 
Win2K telnet server, and running bash once you're logged in?

Andrew.

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 Brian dot Kelly at Empireblue dot com wrote:

> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:26:42 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Native Microsoft Telnet Client Blows Past the Password Prompt
> 
> I've looked through the archives and have not seen a write-up on this. I
> have the very latest cygwin everything installed on an MS 2000 Server.
> TERM=cygwin  is set in the profile. Running the telnetd daemon with
> inetutils. I have absolutely no problems connecting to this service with
> any client program except the native one that comes with every copy of MS
> 2000. The native one that comes with every earlier copy of MS Windows - 95,
> 98, NT4 works just fine. When I use the Native MS 2000 telnet I get the
> following output:
> 
> 
> CYGWIN_NT-5.0 1.3.22(0.78/3/2) (***) (tty2)
> 
> login: mylogin
> 
> Password:
> Login incorrect
> login:
> 
> 
> Essentially, it just blows right past the password prompt without pausing -
> apparently taking null as the password. This renders the MS 2000 Telnet
> client completely useless for direct telneting. For most I imagine this not
> a problem or even annoyance because probably just about every other client
> in existance works just fine. The problem for me, is that I work for a
> large organization, and I like the flexibility of being able to plop down
> at desktop anywhere - more than 5000 desktops - and telnet to any of the
> servers I manage and run scripts, do diagnosis, etc. On 98% of these
> machines, MS 2000 telnet client is the ONLY client available, and I do not
> have the right to install a different one whenever I want one (not to
> mention the inconvenience even if I could). Currently, I work around this
> by logging into an AIX box (which has it's own set of telnet-to-cygwin
> woes) and then from there to my cygwin/MS 2000 boxes.
> 
> And since I did mention AIX, if one telnets to a cygwin box from the NATIVE
> AIX telnet client, AIX does NOT display anything typed at the command line.
> It receives it, and you can get output (after you press enter) and run
> commands, etc. But not seeing what you're typing while you're typing it is
> QUITE a headache. Now I know AIX is the one of the most reviled and avoided
> OS's amongst the open source community. More than once I've encountered not
> only disinterest - but almost what could be called PRIDE that this, that or
> the other does not run on AIX. Nevertheless, one of the conundrums of my
> existance is that AIX is what I am saddled with - not just with my current
> employer, but 3 out of the last 5!
> 
> Are these known problems, or am I missing something "REALLY" simple here?
> Is there something I can change to fix this? For AIX or MS 2000?
> 
> Brian Kelly
> 
> 
> 
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Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?

[Lester Ingber]

Pierre:

Below is the log of the output.

Thanks.

lester

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:28:54AM -0400, Pierre A. Humblet wrote:
: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:28:54 -0400
: From: "Pierre A. Humblet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: Lester Ingber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?
: 
: Lester Ingber wrote:
: > 
: > Olaf:
: > 
: > I tried your test:
: > echo test | exim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: 
: Lester,
: 
: Could you try to turn debug on, including the resolver?
: 
: echo test | exim -d+resolver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: 
: That will produce quite a bit of output.
: 
: Pierre

8< top cut -> bottom ->8
Exim version 4.20 uid=1005 gid=513 pid=1092 D=fbf95cfd
Probably GDBM (native mode)
Support for: OpenSSL
Authenticators: cram_md5 plaintext spa
Routers: accept dnslookup ipliteral manualroute queryprogram redirect
Transports: appendfile/maildir/mailstore/mbx autoreply pipe smtp
changed uid/gid: forcing real = effective
  uid=1005 gid=513 pid=1092
  auxiliary group list: 513 544 545
configuration file is /etc/exim.conf
log selector = 020d99d8
Reset TZ to NULL: time is 2003-06-18 10:39:09
trusted user
admin user
changed uid/gid: privilege not needed
  uid=1005 gid=513 pid=1092
  auxiliary group list: 513 544 545
user name "U-LESTER\ingber" extracted from gecos field 
"U-LESTER\ingber,S-1-5-21-1318987518-2704883870-4021508746-1005"
originator: uid=1005 gid=513 login=ingber name="U-LESTER\ingber"
sender address = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
set_process_info:  1092 accepting a local non-SMTP message from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recipients:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
search_tidyup called
>>Headers received:

rewrite_one_header: type=F:
  From: "U-LESTER\ingber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
search_tidyup called
>>Headers after local additions:
P Received: from ingber by ingber.com with local (Exim 4.20)
id HGOM19-UC-QA
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:39:09 -0400
I Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
F From: "U-LESTER\ingber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
B Bcc:
  Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:39:09 -0400

Data file written for message HGOM19-UC-QA
calling local_scan(); timeout=300
local_scan() returned 0 NULL
Writing spool header file
Size of headers = 274
LOG: MAIN
  <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=ingber P=local S=280
search_tidyup called
 Exim pid=1092 terminating with rc=0 
set_process_info:  2080 delivering HGOM19-UC-QA
reading spool file HGOM19-UC-QA-H
user=ingber uid=1005 gid=513 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sender_local=1 ident=ingber
Non-recipients:
Empty Tree
 End of tree 
recipients_count=1
body_linecount=1 message_linecount=7
Delivery address list:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
locking /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile
locked /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile
opened hints database /var/spool/exim/db/retry: flags=0

Considering: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
unique = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dbfn_read: key=R:alumni.caltech.edu
dbfn_read: key=R:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
no domain retry record
no address retry record
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: queued for routing
>>>
routing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> dnslookup router <
local_part=ingber domain=alumni.caltech.edu
checking domains
alumni.caltech.edu in ""? no (end of list)
alumni.caltech.edu in "! +local_domains"? yes (end of list)
calling dnslookup router
dnslookup router called for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  domain = alumni.caltech.edu
Minires: Windows domain name "ingber.com"
Minires: server "192.168.111.1"
Minires: resolv.conf # Adelphia
Minires: resolv.conf #domain stu.adelphia.net
Minires: resolv.conf #gateway 24.48.24.1
Minires: resolv.conf #
Minires: resolv.conf # Adelphia
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 68.168.1.42
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 68.168.1.46
Minires: resolv.conf ###nameserver 64.31.138.2
Minires: resolv.conf ##nameserver 64.31.138.3
Minires: resolv.conf #
Minires: resolv.conf # Securesites
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 192.220.124.10
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 192.220.125.10
Minires: resolv.conf #
Minires: resolv.conf # Earthlink
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 207.69.188.185
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 207.69.188.186
Minires: resolv.conf #
Minires: resolv.conf # Caltech
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 131.215.254.99
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 131.215.139.100
Minires: resolv.conf #nameserver 131.215.254.100
Minires: resolv.conf #
Minires: search alumni.caltech.edu type 15
Minires: query alumni.caltech.edu type 15
Minires: Answer from 16fa8c0 to query to 16fa8c0. Error 0. Count 0.
DNS lookup of alumni.caltech.edu (MX) gave NO_DATA
returning DNS_NODATA
Minires: search alumni.caltech.edu type 1
Minires: query alumni.caltech.edu type 1
Minires: Answer from 16fa8c0 to query to 16fa8c0. Error 0. Count 1.
DNS lookup of alumni.caltech.edu (A) succeeded
131.215.49.51 in "0.0.0.0 : 127.0.0.0/8"? no (end of list)
fully qualified name = alumni.caltech.edu
alumni.caltec

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Roland Schwingel]

Hi...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.06.2003 10:54:21:

> On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:04:32PM -0700, David Rothenberger wrote:
> > Well, I spoke too soon.  I am having a very bizarre problem with
> > scripts using DOS line endings on textmode mounts.  Here's how to
> > recreate the problem.
> > [...]
>
> Thanks for the reports.  It looks as if the patch isn't sufficient.
> I let this test version on sourceware a while, perhaps somebody wants
> to take a stab on fixing these problems, otherwise I'll remove it
> in a week or so.
I also tested this release (of course). I do not use textmode, neither 
scripts
with DOS line endings but I created one and can verify this as well..

Nevertheless, I want to mention that the speed gain brought by this 
version is more
then noticable... I have one which runs normally about 5 Minutes, no in 
less then 1(!)

Roland



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Re: mutt/exim DNS problems?

[Pierre A. Humblet]

Lester Ingber wrote:
> 
> Pierre:
> 
> Below is the log of the output.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> lester
> 

OK lester, there are a few interesting pieces of info.

You are using the dns server "192.168.111.1"

It reports
DNS lookup of alumni.caltech.edu (MX) gave NO_DATA
DNS lookup of alumni.caltech.edu (A) succeeded
131.215.49.51 in "0.0.0.0 : 127.0.0.0/8"? no (end of list)

i.e. alumni.caltech.edu has no special mailer exchange
but uses the regular address 131.215.49.51

I have verified that a mail server is responding at that
address. Its HELO name is alumnus.caltech.edu 

checking status of alumni.caltech.edu
locking /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile
locked /var/spool/exim/db/retry.lockfile
opened hints database /var/spool/exim/db/retry: flags=0
dbfn_read: key=T:alumni.caltech.edu:131.215.49.51
dbfn_read: key=T:alumni.caltech.edu:131.215.49.51:HGOM19-UC-QA
no message retry record
address match: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pattern=*
alumni.caltech.edu in "*"? yes (matched "*")
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in "*"? yes (matched "*")
retry time not reached: checking ultimate address timeout
alumni.caltech.edu [131.215.49.51] status = unusable

This means that there have been previous failures reaching
alumni.caltech.edu and that exim won't even try for now.

There must be a switch to bypass that delay but simply
deleting /var/spool/exim/db/retry and running the test again
should do the trick.

Make a note of its ownership/permissions and restore them
after the test, because the file will be recreated under your
name, and no the one of the mailserver (SYSTEM, probably).

Pierre

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Re: About the 'su' command

[Ross Presser]

Larry Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>> Do you know "someone" on an XP station that has more powers than the
>> Administrator or an Administrators member ?
> 
> 
> Certainly.  SYSTEM.  But I'd highly recommend using ssh instead of
> su.  That way you don't have to create a user with privileges that
> opens a security hole just so you can su.  Of course, you can do
> so if you prefer.

SYSTEM doesn't have the power to use network resources, does it?

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 05:18:29PM +0200, Roland Schwingel wrote:
> I also tested this release (of course). I do not use textmode, neither 
> scripts
> with DOS line endings but I created one and can verify this as well..
> 
> Nevertheless, I want to mention that the speed gain brought by this 
> version is more
> then noticable... I have one which runs normally about 5 Minutes, no in 
> less then 1(!)

If you have the choice between speed and correctness, which one do
you choose?

Corinna

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Re: indent manpage bug

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Ronald schrieb:

> Some values are missing in the manpage of indent:

> $ man indent
> ...

> This man page is generated from the file indent.texinfo.  This is  Edi-
> tion  of "The indent Manual", for Indent Version , last updated .
>   

IIRC there was a bug in texinfo2man.exe which comes with indent.
I'll release the new version this weekend (probably).


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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Larry Hall]

Corinna Vinschen wrote:

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 05:18:29PM +0200, Roland Schwingel wrote:

I also tested this release (of course). I do not use textmode, neither 
scripts
with DOS line endings but I created one and can verify this as well..

Nevertheless, I want to mention that the speed gain brought by this 
version is more
then noticable... I have one which runs normally about 5 Minutes, no in 
less then 1(!)


If you have the choice between speed and correctness, which one do
you choose?


We're using Windows.  Does that answer the question? ;-)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  For the record, I have no disagreement with
Corinna's current course of action.
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Roland Schwingel]

Hi...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.06.2003 17:34:32:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 05:18:29PM +0200, Roland Schwingel wrote:
> > I also tested this release (of course). I do not use textmode, neither
> > scripts
> > with DOS line endings but I created one and can verify this as well..
> >
> > Nevertheless, I want to mention that the speed gain brought by this
> > version is more
> > then noticable... I have one which runs normally about 5 Minutes, 
no in
> > less then 1(!)
>
> If you have the choice between speed and correctness, which one do
> you choose?
Correctness of course!
But maybe the patch should be improved to not show these bad effects.
I try to get some time next week and see whether I can understand bash

Roland



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Re: 1.3.22 : ocaml package not there ?

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Folken schrieb:

> I'm a developper & would like to use ocaml project under Cygwin ...
> Shouldn't it be integrated by default ? The Ml Language is the future
> in programming ...

I have an older version, but there were several release since then, why
don't compile a version yourself?


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stderr outputs veerrrryyy slowly

[Brian Dessent]

Hi, I've been using cygwin for a while now and most of the time I've
been able to figure out what's going on by RTFMing or searching, but
this one I can't seem to figure out.

Under certain circumstances, messages from programs that are sent to
stderr are displayed on the console very slowly.  It looks like an
emulation of a 1200 baud modem, no joke.

It does not happen all the time, for example "ls -l 1>&2" works fine at
normal speed.  It only seems to happen when the program writes an error
message to stderr and the normal stdout is redirected to a file, or
something along those lines.

Two programs that always do it are curl and tidy.  For example, if I run
"curl http://127.5.5.5"; (some bogus IP addr) the error message "curl:
(7) Connect failed" gets printed in 1200 baud modem speed.  Or, if I run
"curl -o /dev/null http://www.google.com"; then curl's little progress
indicator display gets printed very slowly.  If I run "tidy -o somefile
somefile.html" then tidy's messages (info, warning, error, etc) are
printed very slowly.

I've tried all sorts of perl one-liners to try and duplicate this, but I
just can't manufacture a setting where it does it.  Above cases are
about the only reproducable ones I can come up with, but I know there
are others.  I don't think it has anything to do in particular with curl
or tidy.

I'm running under Win2k SP3, cygwin.dll version 1.3.22-1, CYGWIN="ntea
tty ntsec" (the partition is NTFS), and a bunch of packages all of
whatever the latest stable version is according to setup.exe.  I use
plain old bash as my shell, no rxvt or X Windows or anything.

I don't recall when this started happening, but it wasn't always broken
like this... maybe 3-4 months ago?

Any ideas?  Do any of the above listed commands have the same result on
anyone else's system?

Brian

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Re: stderr outputs veerrrryyy slowly

[Brian Dessent]

Brian Dessent wrote:

> I'm running under Win2k SP3, cygwin.dll version 1.3.22-1, CYGWIN="ntea
> tty ntsec" (the partition is NTFS), and a bunch of packages all of
> whatever the latest stable version is according to setup.exe.  I use
> plain old bash as my shell, no rxvt or X Windows or anything.

Man, why do I always think of stuff AFTER posting?

Anyway, I just remembered that I had tty set in the CYGWIN variable. 
Tried it without tty, and the problem's gone, at least in all the cases
I could think of where it was happening.

Problem is, not setting tty breaks some stuff.  For example, pico (^C
doesn't work.)  I'm sure there are other curses things that don't work
right either.

So, does it make any more sense to anyone now?

Brian

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Re: stderr outputs veerrrryyy slowly

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Brian Dessent wrote:

> Brian Dessent wrote:
>
> > I'm running under Win2k SP3, cygwin.dll version 1.3.22-1, CYGWIN="ntea
> > tty ntsec" (the partition is NTFS), and a bunch of packages all of
> > whatever the latest stable version is according to setup.exe.  I use
> > plain old bash as my shell, no rxvt or X Windows or anything.
>
> Man, why do I always think of stuff AFTER posting?
>
> Anyway, I just remembered that I had tty set in the CYGWIN variable.
> Tried it without tty, and the problem's gone, at least in all the cases
> I could think of where it was happening.
>
> Problem is, not setting tty breaks some stuff.  For example, pico (^C
> doesn't work.)  I'm sure there are other curses things that don't work
> right either.
>
> So, does it make any more sense to anyone now?
>
> Brian

Well, first off, you might want to attach the output of "cygcheck -svr"
(as an uncompressed non-inline text attachment), as per
.
Secondly, try running strace on the slow program to see where the time is
going.  The relevant snippets of the trace file might be helpful in
determining the cause of the problem.
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Re: changing bash window title

[William E. Kempf]

Igor Pechtchanski said:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:
>
>> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Sanjay Goel wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Igor,
>> >> I added this line in my .bashrc
>> >> function settitle() { echo -n "^[]2;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }
>> >> now when I write settitle sanjay on my $ , it does not change my
>> title .. this is what happens
>> >>
>> >> [~]$ settitle sanjay
>> >> ^[]2;sanjay^G^[]1;sanjay^G[~]$
>> >> [~]$
>> >>
>> >> what is it that I am missing ?
>> >> Sanjay
>> >
>> > The control characters.  ^[ is *one* character, Ctrl-[ (aka ESC).
>> ^G is also *one* character, Ctrl-G (aka BEL).  Fix that, and the
>> > incantation should work.
>> > Igor
>>
>> How do I add these control characters in my .bashrc .. I opened the
>> file in vim but pressing Ctrl-[ does not work
>> Sanjay
>
> Yeah, next time I'll go with my first impulse and put that in right
> away. Try Ctrl-V Ctrl-[ (in the vim insert mode).  Same for Ctrl-G.

Why not do away with the fragile binary characters here and instead do:

function settitle() { echo -ne "\e]2;[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }

Or the simpler:

function settitle() { echo -ne "\e]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; }

I actually use the following, which sets the title via the prompt (which
means it's more persistent):

function settitle()
{
if [ $# -eq 0 ]
then
eval set -- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]: \\w"
fi

case $TERM in
xterm*) local title="\[\033]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED]";;
*) local title=''
esac
local prompt=$(echo "$PS1" | sed -e 's/\\\[\\033\]0;.*\\007\\\]//')
PS1="${title}${prompt}"
}

With this, it's nice to do:

$ PS1="\u\$ "
$ settitle "\\h: \\w"

This puts the user name in the prompt, and the host and working directory
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Re: About the 'su' command

[Larry Hall]

Ross Presser wrote:

Larry Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Do you know "someone" on an XP station that has more powers than the
Administrator or an Administrators member ?


Certainly.  SYSTEM.  But I'd highly recommend using ssh instead of
su.  That way you don't have to create a user with privileges that
opens a security hole just so you can su.  Of course, you can do
so if you prefer.


SYSTEM doesn't have the power to use network resources, does it?



As Corinna pointed out very well in this thread, access to network
resources is controlled by Windows authentication.  SYSTEM has the
permissions that allow it to switch user context, and doing so may or may
not include authentication.  But I was answering your question about which
ID has permissions (by default) to change to a new user ID.  Network
resource access is a different, though related, issue.
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Re: stderr outputs veerrrryyy slowly

[Larry Hall]

Brian Dessent wrote:

Brian Dessent wrote:


I'm running under Win2k SP3, cygwin.dll version 1.3.22-1, CYGWIN="ntea
tty ntsec" (the partition is NTFS), and a bunch of packages all of
whatever the latest stable version is according to setup.exe.  I use
plain old bash as my shell, no rxvt or X Windows or anything.


Man, why do I always think of stuff AFTER posting?

Anyway, I just remembered that I had tty set in the CYGWIN variable. 
Tried it without tty, and the problem's gone, at least in all the cases
I could think of where it was happening.

Problem is, not setting tty breaks some stuff.  For example, pico (^C
doesn't work.)  I'm sure there are other curses things that don't work
right either.
So, does it make any more sense to anyone now?


Nope. :-)

Works for me fine either way.  Perhaps providing information
requested by  will shed some light.
Perhaps not.
You could try it with strace and post the results too.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Testversion uploaded: bash-2.05b-10

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 05:49:46PM +0200, Roland Schwingel wrote:
> But maybe the patch should be improved to not show these bad effects.
> I try to get some time next week and see whether I can understand bash

That's the spirit!  I hoped anybody interested in bash would say that.

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ftp: pipe doesn't work

[Chuck]

I've installed the inetutils package and am running the ftp command that 
was included in it. I tried to ftp the output of a piped command using the 
| as the first character of the file name and got the following error...

ftp>  put '|tar cvf install.sh install.zip' test.tar
ftp: local: '|tar: No such file or directory

Is the pipe mechanism not implemented in cygwin's ftp?


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Re: ftp: pipe doesn't work

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Chuck wrote:

> I've installed the inetutils package and am running the ftp command that
> was included in it. I tried to ftp the output of a piped command using the
> | as the first character of the file name and got the following error...
>
> ftp>  put '|tar cvf install.sh install.zip' test.tar
> ftp: local: '|tar: No such file or directory
>
> Is the pipe mechanism not implemented in cygwin's ftp?

Judging by the output, it looks like the quoting is not recognized, rather
than the pipe command.  Besides, isn't that pipe format supposed to be
used for *output* files, not input ones (as you attempted)?  Also, your
tar command parameters are wrong (or, at least, won't do what you
obviously intended).
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Re: stderr outputs veerrrryyy slowly

[Brian Dessent]

Larry Hall wrote:

> Nope. :-)
> 
> Works for me fine either way.  Perhaps providing information
> requested by  will shed some light.
> Perhaps not.
> 
> You could try it with strace and post the results too.

Ok, attached should be the cygcheck -srv output.  Also, the strace log
for running "tidy" on a html file is at
  It's pretty big, about 17000
lines.  Of interest are two things:

Running it under strace fixes the problem (!!) more or less.  The output
is much faster, although not quite as fast as you would expect for
console output:

time strace -o strace.out tidy -o foo test.html
...
real0m4.640s
user0m0.010s
sys 0m0.020s

time tidy -o foo test.html
...
real0m39.301s
user0m0.070s
sys 0m0.020s

That should give some idea of how slow the output is.  To give you an
idea how much output we're talking about:

$ tidy -o foo test.html 2>&1 | wc -l -c
 774143

Woohoo, that's almost 900 bps!  I wasn't too far off.

The other interesting thing is that in the strace log, there are many,
many repeated lines similar to "writev: 1 = write (2, 0x22EFE0, 1),
errno 0"  These keep repeating over and over and over, all with the same
second argument (pointer to the buffer area, right?)  The second
parameter does vary, but it looks like there's only a small number of
variations.

$ egrep "writev \(2" strace.out | wc -l
   4143

Well, that makes sense.  One call for each output character.  So it
looks like stderr is being written one byte at a time.  But even if
that's the case, it shouldn't take (39.3 / 4143) = 9.5ms per character,
that's glacial in terms of cpu clocks.

Brian
Cygwin Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics
Current System Time: Wed Jun 18 11:02:25 2003

Windows 2000 Professional Ver 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3

Path:   C:\cygwin\usr\sbin
C:\cygwin\usr\local\bin
C:\cygwin\bin
C:\cygwin\bin
C:\cygwin\usr\local\apache\bin
c:\WINNT\system32
c:\WINNT
c:\WINNT\System32\Wbem
c:\Program Files\sysinternals
c:\Program Files\Executive Software\DiskeeperWorkstation\
C:\cygwin\bin
c:\PROGRA~1\GraphViz\Graphviz\bin
c:\PROGRA~1\GraphViz\Graphviz\bin\tools
c:\Program Files\svgtoolkit
c:\Program Files\Hummingbird\Connectivity\7.00\Accessories\
c:\Program Files\hc11 tools
c:\Program Files\ghostscript\gs7.04\bin
c:\Program Files\ghostscript\gs7.04\lib
c:\Program Files\vorbis tools
c:\Program Files\Resource Kit
c:\Program Files\vcdimager
c:\Program Files\Misc cmdline tools
c:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared
c:\Program Files\Python 2.3
c:\Program Files\NMapWin\bin
c:\Program Files\BIND 9.x
C:\cygwin\home\brian\bin
C:\cygwin\home\brian\dessent.net\bin

C:\cygwin\bin\id.exe output (nontsec)
UID: 1000(brian) GID: 513(None)
513(None)544(Administrators)  
545(Users)

C:\cygwin\bin\id.exe output (ntsec)
UID: 1000(brian) GID: 513(None)
513(None)544(Administrators)  
545(Users)

SysDir: C:\WINNT\System32
WinDir: C:\WINNT

CYGWIN = `ntea ntsec tty'
HOME = `C:\cygwin\home\brian'
MAKE_MODE = `unix'
PWD = `/home/brian'
USER = `brian'

ALLUSERSPROFILE = `C:\Documents and Settings\All Users'
APPDATA = `C:\Documents and Settings\brian\Application Data'
COMMONPROGRAMFILES = `C:\Program Files\Common Files'
COMPUTERNAME = `BOOCH'
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New packages: docbook-xml42, docbook-xsl, xmlto

[Marcel Telka]

On 2003.06.17 10:47, Patrick Eisenacher wrote:
Is there a reason why you sticked with the v1.60.1 XSL stylesheets 
and didn't use the v1.61.2 ones?
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-06/msg00159.html

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syncronizing distribs

[CoolCold]

Hello cygwin,

Is any way to have up-to-date distro of cygwin on local server?
something like rsync that is used in some linux (for example )
distribs?
using wget -cbr ftp://server is so boring ;)

Best regards,
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RE: problem with g77

[Hannu E K Nevalainen \(garbage mail\)]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Dr Jeff Forshaw

>
>
> Hello!
> I have a peculiar problem using g77. I can compile and produce sensible
> object files, and I can create executables. However, when I come
> to run the
> executable I get the error
> "bash: MZ?: command not found"

$ od -t x1z MZ..<
$ . /usr/bin/ls.exe
bash: MZ?: command not found

 Seems to me that bash is trying to _source_  your executable. ( $ help
source )

 What filesystem are you using?
If not FAT or FAT32 then try "chmod u+x" on the executable.
(IIRC there is some problems regarding chmod on FAT fs'es.)

/Hannu E K Nevalainen, 59~14'N, 17~12'E
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RE: What does an exit code of 128 mean?

[Hannu E K Nevalainen \(garbage mail\)]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Max Bowsher

> 
> I'm trying to run a perl program (vcp*) but when given certain 
> data sets, it
> dies with exit code 128, and no visible errors (even when run 
> under the perl
> debugger).
> 
> Does 128 have a special meaning? I recall reading something about 
> that, but
> can't find it now.


$ info bash
/128

Hmm... (!?)

 128+N has special meaning. N=0 -> is that a special signal?

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Re: syncronizing distribs

[Larry Hall]

CoolCold wrote:

Hello cygwin,

Is any way to have up-to-date distro of cygwin on local server?
something like rsync that is used in some linux (for example )
distribs?
using wget -cbr ftp://server is so boring ;)
rsync is available with Cygwin, although you should check the
email archives for reported issues before beginning to use it.
Download sites listed by setup indicate which support the rsync
protocol.  Join the excitement! ;-)
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Re: problem with g77

[Larry Hall]

Hannu E K Nevalainen (garbage mail) wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Dr Jeff Forshaw


Hello!
I have a peculiar problem using g77. I can compile and produce sensible
object files, and I can create executables. However, when I come
to run the
executable I get the error
"bash: MZ?: command not found"


$ od -t x1z MZ..<
$ . /usr/bin/ls.exe
bash: MZ?: command not found
 Seems to me that bash is trying to _source_  your executable. ( $ help
source )
 What filesystem are you using?
If not FAT or FAT32 then try "chmod u+x" on the executable.
(IIRC there is some problems regarding chmod on FAT fs'es.)


Actually, chmod works fine on FAT (not FAT32) with 'ntea' set on
NT/W2K/XP.
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gdb attach/detach kills the target process

[Sam Steingold]

run a process in a cygwin window, find out its PID, run gdb in another
window, attach to that process, then detach from it.
the target process stops responding as soon as it is attached to.
detaching changes nothing.
only after I exit gdb, I get the original window responding, with the
terminal in raw start (need to do "reset" in bash) and the process that
gdb attached to dead.

I tested this on python and clisp.

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Re: gdb attach/detach kills the target process

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On 18 Jun 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> run a process in a cygwin window, find out its PID, run gdb in another
> window, attach to that process, then detach from it.
> the target process stops responding as soon as it is attached to.
> detaching changes nothing.
> only after I exit gdb, I get the original window responding, with the
> terminal in raw start (need to do "reset" in bash) and the process that
> gdb attached to dead.
>
> I tested this on python and clisp.

That's the way Windows debugging works -- once you attach to a process,
detaching from it kills the process.  No way around it.  Furthermore, the
process is killed using the Windows APIs, thus no signal ever reaches the
process and no cleanup is performed.

When you attach to the process in gdb, the process is at a breakpoint
(i.e., stopped).  If you wish to continue the process, use the "cont"
command (you may set some breakpoints first if you want).  For more info
use the gdb "help" command.  You can have the process run to completion
inside gdb.  Note that this behavior is the same on other Unix systems.

Also note: many windows processes use threads.  I suggest reading the gdb
manual carefully on how to debug multithreaded programs, in case you
haven't done this already.
Igor
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated Cygwin Package: python-2.2.3-1

[Charles Wilson]

Jason Tishler wrote:
New News:
=== 
I have updated the version of Python to 2.2.3-1.  The tarballs should be
available on a Cygwin mirror near you shortly.
_tkinter.dll is missing from 2.2.3-1.  It was present in the previous 
version, 2.2.2-7.

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eBay Fraud (OT)

[Randall R Schulz]

Hi,

This is from the latest Risks digest (22.77--see ):

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:14:12 -0400
From: "John Reinke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: eBay fraud
Police in South Salt Lake, Utah, are working with eBay to determine 
just how many people were victimized by what authorities say was one of 
the biggest frauds in the auction site's history.  Police arrested 
31-year-old Russell Dana Smith last weekend after hundreds of auction 
winners complained that they sent $1,000 or more to a company named 
Liquidation Universe for laptop computers they never received.  Police 
say the firm appears to have raked in $1 million from about 1,000 
victims in just a few weeks.  [...] [Source: Bob Sullivan, MSNBC, Man 
arrested in huge eBay fraud; Buyers criticize auction site's seller 
verification service]
  http://www.msnbc.com/news/925433.asp?0dm=C12LT

[FJR: Guarantees are only as good as the guarantor. There ain't no free 
lunch. When will people take security seriously?]
  [This one is a long and ugly story.  PGN]
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(PGN is Peter G Neumann, the moderator of the Risks Forum.)

Randall Schulz

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